Chris Stewart Wants February To Be 'Uncomfortable History Month'
Nearly 90 gag-order bills would ban schools from teaching the grisly particulars of American history. This activist is fighting against the censorship and for school choice.

Though he's black and proud of it, libertarian school-choice activist Chris Stewart isn't celebrating Black History Month this February.
Instead, he's pushing what he calls "Uncomfortable History Month," or an embrace of teaching the past in all its contradictions, hypocrisies, and triumphs. At his Substack, a free mind, he tells the story of Mary Turner, a 21-year-old pregnant woman who was lynched in Georgia in 1918 for daring to protest the lynching of her own husband. When a statue honoring Turner was erected in 2010, vandals shot it up.
Turner's story is the sort of brutal incident whose telling is threatened by nearly 90 proposed local and state education laws—Stewart calls them "gag orders"—that would ban schools from teaching the grisly particulars of American history, including state-sanctioned and state-tolerated violence against racial, sexual, and other minorities. The former Minneapolis* school board member and current head of school-choice organization brightbeam has a radical vision for educational reform in which public funding follows K-12 students and parents freely choose among public, private, secular, and religious institutions that would teach radically different curricula.
That vision flows directly from Stewart's libertarian philosophy: The "cardinal rule is that the rights of individuals will not be infringed upon by anyone." He fears that the enormous advantage handed to reformers in the wake of the failed K-12 response to COVID-19 lockdowns is being squandered on culture war battles that have more to do with helping Republicans get elected by denouncing Critical Race Theory than with fundamentally changing the way schools work.
In a wide-ranging discussion, we talk about the failure of the libertarian movement to win over blacks, Hispanics, and other minorities who should rally to our critique of state power and support for criminal justice reform. Stewart also details his problems with the progressive left, how he moved from Ralph Nader to Jesse Ventura to libertarianism, and why he thinks laws criminalizing speech are always and everywhere wrong. He discusses the origins and aims for Eight Black Hands, his weekly podcast featuring conservative, liberal, progressive, and libertarian black men talking about public education and private responsibility.
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*CORRECTION: The original version of this article misidentified Stewart as a former member of the St. Paul, Minnesota school board.
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You're aware that these laws do not prevent the teaching of lynchings, right?
It's just that you cannot teach that you're bad simply due to your skin color.
Why should I take anything with serious factual deficiencies early on seriously?
White people are tired of getting trashed for bad stuff other people did.
If wants people to be uncomfortable
why not tell people who sold slaves to Europeans?
If he
Yes, the slave trade was started by muslims centuries before Europeans arrived to do business with the tribes who raided their neighbors to capture people to sell to them.
In any case, this guy claims to be black, but he is selectively identifying with only a portion of his true ancestry.
Lynching of caucasians, orientals and American Indians in total numerically far exceed those of blacks in our nation's history.
As 20th century communication improved lynchings plummeted.
While it is possible that many of pieces of anti-CRT legislation is overly broad, it is now undeniable that CRT influenced pedagogy is being taught in the public school and it is race conscious garbage, not an honest account of history, so there is some responsibility by the state governments to correct the excesses.
You have school choice. Unenroll your kids, whom you claim to love, from the government schools that prepare them for no -existent factory jobs or an infantry position in the military.
^ good comments, would read again.
Depends on where you live. For example, there are only 7 charter schools in Virginia.
Educate them yourself at home.
>>only 7 charter schools in Virginia
get a new governor oh wait.
Unenroll your kids, whom you claim to love, from the government schools that prepare them for no -existent factory jobs or an infantry position in the military.
You say this like my wife and I are capable of burying them in enormous amounts of socialist claptrap or that our doing so wouldn't generate animosity to even their own parents, let alone public servants.
"Nearly 90 gag-order bills would ban schools from teaching the grisly particulars of American history. "
That seems like a gross mischaracterization of the items listed in the link.
Gag-Order is the newspeak they settled on.
This stupid narrative needs to be stopped now. The law in Florida is misstated. The actual law says it is illegal to compell training that *teaches* "An individual should feel discomfort, guilt, anguish, or
any other form of psychological distress on account of his or
her race, color, sex, or national origin."
That is not the same as "making someone feel that way". Teaching you SHOULD feel that way, and you feeling that way because of history are two different things. And they continue to make this shit up to run cover for CRT.
Reason has to twist narratives if it wants to continue it's both sides paradigm.
This article is straight up, 100% lying postmodern nazism.
So standard fare the last few years.
Not only this, but what, exactly, is the alternative?
Because just letting public schools use racist pedagogy popular with the CRT/Woke/neoMarxist left these days, as they are currently doing, is not a viable alternative.
I'm so glad I don't have kids in school, looking toward college, right now.
The alternative is "let the left win". "Let the left win" is the patented reason answer for everything.
The chemjeff/Mike Laursen playbook, and they run it more than Lombardi ran the Packer sweep.
Because collages don't have this shit?
It depends on who makes the collage. They can have lots of things in them, which is why they're such a fun art form.
Yeah. Generally they're too busy for my tastes, but some can illustrate an interesting subject or have an overall pleasing look and feel to them.
Reminds me of Howard Fast's novel The Pledge in which he sneakily mischaracterized the legislation of the 1950s that was directed against communist propaganda. (Of course it helped that Fast himself was a "red".) He wrote that a new federal statute made it illegal (in government-aided institutions, but he never specified that) to "teach the advisability" of communism, and "explained" that that would make it illegal for a professor to explain about communism even to oppose it. In other words, the actual legislation was to forbid government-paid teachers from propagandizing in favor of communism, but he characterized it as forbidding discussion of whether communism was advisable, rather than teaching that it was advisable.
So basically the reds are still trying to conflate these issues, trying to make it seem they are on the side of free inquiry, when what they really want is to indoctrinate. Makes me very sympathetic to what McCarthy-era "conservatives" were trying to do. (Too bad that was mixed up with a lot of personal aggrandizement and bullshitting, unfortunately.)
But I still like Howard Fast for entertainment.
I just realized that personal aggrandizement and bullshitting is what you get with Trump too. It seems a necessary accompaniment to political progress. You'll never get the perfect vessel for the wine you want to make.
The leftist posters here engage in the same tactic. What a coincidence!
Though he's black and proud of it, libertarian school-choice activist Chris Stewart isn't celebrating Black History Month this February.
He'd better be celebrating Engineer's Week (2/20 - 2/26)!
E Week! I remember it well from my college days.
Chemical engineers do it in packed beds!
Electrical engineers are wired for maximum power.
And for all the (snort) packaging engineers, remember - if you can't hack it, pack it.
if you have siriusxm put it on the jazz channel the dude has been playing Gil Scott-Heron for at least 20 minutes
I don't, but I love me some GSH.
ya it went on for another 30 in the car. sweet
He identifies as black, in reality he has mixed heritage.
Mechanical engineers build weapons, civil engineers build targets.
I think it’s a stretch to call government mandated racist indoctrination speech.
“Nearly 90 gag-order bills would ban schools from teaching the grisly particulars of American history.”
How is the new version of history, as set forth in the 1619 Project, et.al., any more honest than the hagiographies of the “Lost Cause” used in the South for decades? Do we have to have to believe bullshit from the Left now because people used believe bullshit from the Right?
Yes, yes you do. Leftist bullshit is okay because it means well.
The 'Lost Cause' bullshit was created by the left, not the right. People who Democrats revere but would have others not notice.
The stars and bars on state flags, the statues of confederates, all of that is Democrats glorifying their history.
And the tearing down of those statues was Democrats trying to pin THEIR history on the people who fought to stop them.
Oh, and are we going to teach that Native Americans kept enslaved Black people, as did some free Blacks?
Any other inconvenient prices of history out there?
Are we going to also talk about blacks that owned slaves?
I hear the price of chewin tabacky has gone up. Most inconvenient.
No we are going to teach children that Native Americans should get all their land back as a part of reparations they should receive.
Home owners can just leave your belongings when you move out. You can only take the clothes you are wearing.
That vision flows directly from Stewart's libertarian philosophy: The "cardinal rule is that the rights of individuals will not be infringed upon by anyone." He fears that the enormous advantage handed to reformers in the wake of the failed K-12 response to COVID-19 lockdowns is being squandered on culture war battles that have more to do with helping Republicans get elected by denouncing Critical Race Theory than with fundamentally changing the way schools work.
The problem here is 99.9% of the country are just normies who aren't deeply committed to obscure political philosophies, especially those with Utopian underpinning (yeah, looking at you, libertarians).
Look, you're either going to embrace the home-schooling revolution, or you're not. If it took CRT to wake a bunch of normies up to this racist claptrap, and Republicans were or are the only party that's calling it out, I'm sorry you didn't get a load of ideological "bowf sidez" libertarians elected who have a Black Lives Matter sign in their front yard, but you know, just the SLOGAN, not the organization...
"The problem here is 99.9% of the country are just normies who aren't deeply committed to obscure political philosophies, especially those with Utopian underpinning (yeah, looking at you, libertarians)."
The other thing to call out is that this CRT bullshit is absolutely, positively antithetical to libertarian philosophy. If you are attending a class with the word "Equity" in the name, syllabus or department sponsoring said class, then you are going to be disappointed as a libertarian. The entire conceit of equity is that we should have equal outcomes rather than equal opportunities, and that is simply not POSSIBLE in a free society.
So as much as Stewart doesn't like Republicans stopping CRT from insinuating crypto-marxism into childhood education, if the Republicans are not successful, you sure as shit aren't going to get more school choice. Everyone who drinks the Equity kool-aid is going to fight against school choice.
I dont get how he states the rights of individuals is being violated. Parents are still free to teach their kids critical race theory bullshit. These laws just state teachers can't indoctrinate kids with this bullshit while excluding parents. The same people fighting against this are the ones up in arms with courses being available for review by parents, individuals who are responsible for their children.
There's a natural and understandable reticence among libertarians to not force schools to either teach nor ban any product of human thought. However, without any statutory laws, we somehow make it through each school day without the schools teaching Mein Kampf to their students.
There are undoubtedly teachers who have or do teach students about Mein Kampf and the tenets of National Socialism, but they don't teach their students USING a framework of Mein Kampf or National Socialism.
The same should go for CRT. A school might teach children ABOUT CRT, but if your lesson plan says, "Describe five traits of Whiteness", that's not teaching kids CRT, that's using the framework of CRT to teach your children. As James Lindsay said, they're not teaching your kids CRT, they're DOING CRT TO your children.
It would be nice if it wasn't necessary to pass laws to prevent this shit being taught. The problem is that we've seen countless examples that teachers ARE bringing this shit into the classroom and it's patently evil. The bills are, frankly, being as neutral as possible-don't teach students that their moral character has any relationship to their ethnicity, and no ethnicity is inherently superior or inferior to any other. That's it.
I've yet to see one of these bills I have an actual problem with. Maybe when I finally see ONE I'll feel compelled to call it out, but I'm not taking it on faith that the bill is doing what the media pretends it is. Fuck the media, fuck the left, and yes, fuck Nick Gillespie, we can't simply ACCEPT this shit at face value. It's dishonest bullshit on every level.
The thinking goes: If you tell a government employee what to do or how to do their job, you’re infringing on their rights.
It also seems to me that Stewart's (noble but flawed) above-it-all assessment of "how schools work" while dismissively waving away CRT as a culture-war sideshow fails to realize that the culture war side show is a tumor on the cancer of Marxism that has pretty much taken over public schooling at almost every level.
No, fuck him. Look at the actual list of "gag orders" Stewart is providing. He's engaged in disinformation. It's not noble but flawed. It's blatantly disinformation on its face. He's lying to us, and pretending he can say, "I'm just a pro-freedom libertarian like you, I don't like silenced teachers."
Tell teachers they can't teach that some students are inferior by the nature of their skin color isn't silencing them. I hate that it has to be a fucking law, but the people behind this are putting evil into the world.
^correct
And also, by the way, what does Stewart think the end game is here anyway? Let's just say reformers DO have an advantage here. That reform is going to happen from Republicans (since they are pretty much the governing bodies in these states). How does insisting that they view "uncomfortable history" help get them on your side? Especially when this "uncomfortable history" is generally wrapped up with an insinuation that they should feel collective, racial guilt.
Well, maybe Stewart thinks Black Lives Matter is... you know, just a slogan.
I bet the people who thought it was just a slogan are kicking themselves now for not getting a slice of the 90 mil which went to an actual organization with BLM in the name.
It's silly to refer to these as gag orders. As long as government operates schools, they're going to communicate something. What's the horror over how or at what level that content is specified? Whether it's specified as something to be taught, or not to be taught, someone in government is going to be deciding every bit of the curriculum, whether it's a state elected official or body, a local bureaucrat, or just that teacher in that classroom; they're all acting as government agents, so what's the difference?
Either don't waste your time thinking about the details of what our masters are propagandizing, or decide on the basis of whether you think particular content is good, bad, or indifferent compared with what might be taught instead. From what I've seen, the thrust from elected officials on this issue lately has been at least mostly good, wanting to displace very evil propaganda with stuff that couldn't possibly be worse and probably wouldn't be as bad.
" the details of what our masters are propagandizing "
At least this disaffected clinger recognizes her place in the modern world, perhaps even more so than do the tiresome losers who whimper incessantly about "elites."
The only place in the modern world for slack-jawed, slope-foreheaded hicklibs is six feet under.
No time to read even this summary — https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Tj5WQVBmB6SQg-zP_M8uZsQQGH09TxmBY73v23zpyr0/edit#gid=1505554870 — but I've gotten halfway thru the boilerplate in the right column of the table, and it's hard to imagine what devil could be in the details that would keep all/b> these proposals from being anything but DAMN GOOD! They're anti-propaganda proposals, and a sign that people are waking up to this centuries-old evil and finally trying to do something about it. Why is this ostensible libertarian on the wrong side of all this? Is this an example of the perfect's being the enemy of the good? Or has HyR found an ally in concern-trolling us?
This is a case where populists and libertarians should be on the same side, and it's only libertarian revulsion to being popular that would keep us from contributing to its success.
And even the boilerplates are being fucking dishonest. For example, I looked at Arizona HB 2291. The brief description CLAIMS it prevents schools from teaching certain ideas related to race, sex, or ethnic groups, and that they can't use state money to finance those concepts.
The bill itself says:
"A. A TEACHER, ADMINISTRATOR OR OTHER EMPLOYEE OF A SCHOOL DISTRICT, CHARTER SCHOOL OR STATE AGENCY WHO IS INVOLVED WITH STUDENTS AND TEACHERS IN PRESCHOOL OR KINDERGARTEN PROGRAMS OR ANY OF GRADES ONE THROUGH TWELVE MAY NOT USE PUBLIC MONIES FOR INSTRUCTION THAT PRESENTS ANY FORM OF BLAME OR JUDGMENT ON THE BASIS OF RACE, ETHNICITY OR SEX."
"B. A TEACHER, ADMINISTRATOR OR OTHER EMPLOYEE OF A SCHOOL DISTRICT, CHARTER SCHOOL OR STATE AGENCY WHO IS INVOLVED WITH STUDENTS AND TEACHERS IN PRESCHOOL OR KINDERGARTEN PROGRAMS OR ANY OF GRADES ONE THROUGH TWELVE MAY NOT ALLOW INSTRUCTION IN OR MAKE PART OF A COURSE ANY OF THE FOLLOWING CONCEPTS:
1. ONE RACE, ETHNIC GROUP OR SEX IS INHERENTLY MORALLY OR INTELLECTUALLY SUPERIOR TO ANOTHER RACE, ETHNIC GROUP OR SEX.
2. AN INDIVIDUAL, BY VIRTUE OF THE INDIVIDUAL'S RACE, ETHNICITY OR SEX, IS INHERENTLY RACIST, SEXIST OR OPPRESSIVE, WHETHER CONSCIOUSLY OR UNCONSCIOUSLY.
3. AN INDIVIDUAL SHOULD BE INVIDIOUSLY DISCRIMINATED AGAINST OR RECEIVE ADVERSE TREATMENT SOLELY OR PARTLY BECAUSE OF THE INDIVIDUAL'S RACE, ETHNICITY OR SEX.
4. AN INDIVIDUAL'S MORAL CHARACTER IS DETERMINED BY THE INDIVIDUAL'S RACE, ETHNICITY OR SEX.
5. AN INDIVIDUAL, BY VIRTUE OF THE INDIVIDUAL'S RACE, ETHNICITY OR SEX, BEARS RESPONSIBILITY FOR ACTIONS COMMITTED BY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE SAME RACE, ETHNIC GROUP OR SEX.
6. AN INDIVIDUAL SHOULD FEEL DISCOMFORT, GUILT, ANGUISH OR ANY OTHER FORM OF PSYCHOLOGICAL DISTRESS BECAUSE OF THE INDIVIDUAL'S RACE, ETHNICITY OR SEX.
7. ACADEMIC ACHIEVEMENT, MERITOCRACY OR TRAITS SUCH AS A HARD WORK ETHIC ARE RACIST OR SEXIST OR WERE CREATED BY MEMBERS OF A PARTICULAR RACE, ETHNIC GROUP OR SEX TO OPPRESS MEMBERS OF ANOTHER RACE, ETHNIC GROUP OR SEX."
This isn't a gag order! This isn't silencing history. This is a bill telling teachers not to be fucking racist. Chris Stewart is apparently a big fat liar and we shouldn't be giving him any attention just because he pretends to be a libertarian.
>INVIDIOUSLY
Invidious is a good word. I'm going to start using it.
So Chris Stewart is a big fat liar the same way Howard Fast was.
The point is the chilling effect. The point is for the legislature to substitute its collective judgment for the professional expertise of the teacher.
Here is what's coming:
https://cbs2iowa.com/news/local/one-iowa-lawmaker-proposes-cameras-in-every-iowa-classroom
DES MOINES, Iowa — State Representative Norlin Mommsen of DeWitt is pushing for cameras in every Iowa classroom, so parents will be able to monitor what their kids are learning.
Under the bill, classrooms besides special education and PE would have a live camera view of your child's room. The cameras would be connected to the internet and parents and guardians would have access to the live feed.
NO! It's not a chilling effect, this isn't a free speech issue! Teachers should just never bring propaganda into the classroom! Protest on your own fucking time, don't teach students that their skin color is some determinant of their moral character!
I seriously don't think you actually believe what you're saying. If you do, God Bless You.
He openly admitted he was a statist believing in ruling by the elite a few days ago.
The point is the chilling effect. The point is for the legislature to substitute its collective judgment for the professional expertise of the teacher.
Is there a teacher that has carte blanche in his or her classroom? Or do teachers teach to the school district's curriculum?
Teachers aren't even taught subjects anymore. Something like 40% are taught education administration. They enter college with some of the lowest college entrance exams of any majors.
Teacher expertise is the excuse jeff uses to push leftist indoctrination.
Think of it as quality control for the product we are paying for.
Like... I'm trying to imagine a teacher that gets handed the latest "whiteness" briefing, says "fuck you" to the superintendent and teaches that CRT is racist claptrap pushed by SJW fucksticks and shows Fox News clips in his class. Wondering how far he would get. I wonder how the sober, thoughtful minds of the New York Times editorial board would take such flagrant disregard of The Truth.
Jeff talks about a chilling effect but is fine w the j6 investigation.
I was wondering how long it would take him to come in and prove Roberta’s post up thread.
Was not disappointed.
Jeff. Honestly shut the fuck up. Youre worse than the pedophile shrike. Stop defending racism.
"DES MOINES, Iowa — State Representative Norlin Mommsen of DeWitt is pushing for cameras in every Iowa classroom, so parents will be able to monitor what their kids are learning.
Under the bill, classrooms besides special education and PE would have a live camera view of your child's room. The cameras would be connected to the internet and parents and guardians would have access to the live feed."
What is the problem with that?
Schools, for YEARS, have said they want more parental involvement. Now when it happens, they bitch incessantly.
Parents should have absolute knowledge of what their children are learning.
"The point is the chilling effect. The point is for the legislature to substitute its collective judgment for the professional expertise of the teacher."
Teachers do not HAVE professional expertise. An education degree is not worth anything. Education should be a minor, at best. Never a major.
The funny thing about chemjeff's complaint here is that cameras are pretty common in daycare centers these days precisely because of child abuse cases that were happening in those places.
This goes back to what Overt was telling the fat fuck yesterday--if you don't want the right-wing reaction, stop the left-wing overreach. If you don't want to be bothered to stop the overreach, then don't complain when people with more steel in their spine than you posses decide to push back.
if you don't want the right-wing reaction, stop the left-wing overreach.
Repeat After Me: It's Always Team Blue's Fault
Whenever Team Red behaves badly, it's because they had No Choice because Team Blue was just so darn mean.
Oh I get it, you don’t understand human behavior vis a vis cause and effect.
I do understand agency. Evidently Team Red has none.
How is requested lesson plans something bad jeff? How is saying don't teach racism bad?
What is the problem with that?
Well, let's start at the beginning: FERPA
Still not explaining what the issue with these bills are.
Again, you seem to be advocating for the state to remove parental involvement and knowledge of what is going in their child's school.
The point is the chilling effect.
We've been telling teachers to not teach racism for over 5 decades. It's odd to believe only now this has a "chilling effect".
So the bill provides for transparency over how government employees interact with with the public. Also, as these schools are government institutions, it is ultimately the legislature's job to set policy and oversight that that policy is faithfully executed. If you do not like that, then do not make education a government function.
Would you want to leave law enforcement policy entirely up to the law enforcement professionals, with no oversight by the legislature? The idea that government education professionals should be given no oversight is equally ridiculous.
We should just leave law enforcement matters to the expertise of police officers. Randos clearly should have no say in such matters. Civilians should have no say over such issues as police brutality because they do not know much about it. Obviously.
Right-wing racists continue to lose ground in modern America. They have been stomped hard during the most recent six or seven decades, with more irrelevance on the way. Mostly, they hide behind euphemisms, no longer wishing to be known as bigots, and strive to carve out safe spaces and special privileges for intolerant jerks in modern America.
Their replacement is a predictable matter of time.
Until then, carry on, clingers . . . but just so far and so long as better Americans permit. Past that point, you will continue to comply with the preferences of your betters.
Unlike the African American community, with notable exceptions, the Latino community is an incredibly diverse community with incredibly diverse attitudes about different things
- Joe Biden (D)
Well, if you didn't vote for Biden, you weren't black, right?
So, by definition, that community isn't diverse by the only metric he cares about. Anyone bucking the trend doesn't even qualify as part of the community.
poor kids are just as bright as white children.
Joe Biden
Biden white-splained that Latinos in America resist vaccinations because “they’re worried that they’ll be vaccinated and deported.”
In 2010, Biden warmly eulogized Sen. Robert Byrd, a former Exalted Cyclops in the Ku Klux Klan, saying he was “one of my mentors” and that “the Senate is a lesser place for his going.”
In 2007, Biden referred to Barack Obama as “the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean.”
In 2006, he said, “You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.”
Way back in 1977, he said that forced busing to desegregate schools would cause his children to “grow up in a racial jungle.”
Never forget...the only racists are Republicans. Democrats don't play that game.
Regarding Ghandi,
He ran a gas station down in St. Louis.
- Hillary Clinton (D)
Obama is a "light-skinned" African-American with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one.
- Harry Reid (D)
To be fair... this could be said of mostibwrals based on the study if them talking down to minorities.
Oh Artie, never change.
Bigoted left-wing asshole continue to post piles of shit, bigoted left-wing asshole.
Racism is increasing, there is more hatred than ever before. It has simply switched colors, CRT is throwing fasoline on it and fanning the flames.
Thank you kindly for providing the best evidence that the disease of hate itself loves an accommodating host.
Remember, torchlight only penetrates a few feet into the darkness.
>>Though he's black and proud of it
shame he's wasting his time with that nonsense.
I wonder how he'd feel about someone telling him they're proud to be white...
Or if they taught his kids that they should feel ashamed of being black.
Here's an idea. Let's not teach the story of Mary Turner to kids. Not because it is offensive, but because you don't want to give the little fuckers any ideas.
If the school board was majority KKK and they were teaching kids that white people are genetically superior to all others, would it be characterized as a "gag order" if parents and voters had to resort to passing laws to stop this from happening in the public schools?
The public schools that they pay for and are mandated to send their kids to attend?
Seems like, in Celebration of Uncomfortable History Month, someone at Reason should do some investigative journalism, find out who Stewart's ex-girlfriend is, and send her some flowers on the 14th, from him.
sounds like has 3 of them....
I've yet to see any one of these bills that the left keeps claiming are revising history, or preventing the history of teaching slavery, or preventing ideas about race being taught, actually demonstrate what people claim it does. Chris Stewart's Gag orders are all bullshit.
Nick, please do yourself a service. Before promoting this liar, go read the actual text of the bills. Go look at what his claims are. Then decide whether it's worth promoting what he has to say based on whether he seems to be truthfully representing thing. I mean the minimum level of effort to determine whether this guy is pure bullshit should be required.
Reading through the article and Stewart's stupidity, it's hard to tell if Chris Stewart used just enough anti-Republican buzzwords to bamboozle Nick or if Nick thought he was going to be doing and interview with Phil Collins' predecessor and got bamboozled.
wore Genesis mad hatter shirt today.
Whoops. Above not meant in reply.
So he's either a marxist racist or too stupid to know what is actually in the bilks and taught in schools. Either way, not something I need to infect my mind with.
But no, see, he SAYS he's a libertarian, so we have to promote him. Clearly. Because libertarian equals double plus good, right?
The members and cheerleaders of the other tribal duality are just stupid. GoooooOOOOOO LIBERTARIANS! YAY! BOWF SIDEZ! WOO WOO! YEAH! *pulls down pants* YEEHAW!
I'm wondering. Let's say some public school district decided they were going to teach biology from the perspective of "race realism", history from the perspective of Christian identity, and included explicitly racist material in its English classes. Let's further say the state authorities put the kibosh to it, saying you can't teach that to kids, or at least if you are, do it on your own dime and don't foist the bill for it on taxpayers. Would Reason be dismayed about the state's "gag order" on the school district? Would they urge that the only proper response to the school district is to support school choice (an admittedly laudable goal and cause) some time in the future?
It's this selective application of libertarian principle from the libertarian establishment that, I think, leads many on the right who would otherwise be sympathetic to libertarianism to dismiss the idea.
Let's say some public school district decided they were going to teach biology from the perspective of "race realism"
But that would be a lie. That wouldn't be teaching biology. The problem here in this context is not the idea of "race realism", however noxious that concept is, the problem is an unprofessional teacher teaching untruths under the guise of biology. It would not matter if that same biology teacher was teaching "race realism", or Vitalism, or any other discarded theory, *under the guise of biology*. The problem is the teacher. It would be like if there is a math teacher teaching that 3 + 4 = 97. The problem isn't the mathematics, the problem is the bad teacher.
Ideas cannot be banned. They just can't. People who want to ban ideas are on the side of authoritarians and tyrants. ALL ideas, including the noxious ones, SHOULD be discussed in a professional and age-appropriate manner, SO THAT students *know* why they are such terrible ideas. Otherwise, all you are doing is creating "forbidden fruit" knowledge.
Look at how many people around here turn to Joe Rogan because "the mainstream media censors/suppresses these non-mainstream ideas that he discusses on his show". Did this censorship/suppression cause the ideas to go away? No, they just found more unreliable outlets for their dissemination.
So it's fine if the ideas being banned are actually not true, then. That's good.
https://legiscan.com/AZ/text/HB2112/2022
Read the above bill and tell me which part of you specifically have a problem with. Tell me what "ideas" are being silenced that should be taught to children. I'm interesting in hearing this.
Except, as others have pointed out to you, multiple times, CRT is as discredited as "race realism". Schools continuing to try to foist it in the name of "social equity" are teaching the equivalent of 3 + 4 = 97.
And again, the question isn't "banning" any ideas. It's refusing to publicly subsidize a discredited idea's dissemination. The comparison to Joe Rogan is if free speech advocates were insisting that he receive grants from the CDC for public health education (although the ideas disseminated by Rogan probably do have more empirical support than CRT).
If teachers teach CRT - and I mean the *actual* CRT, not the redefined version of "discussions about race that make me sad" - as if it were the one and only truth, then that would be wrong and unprofessional.
If teachers teach CRT as one of many possible ways to understand the world, then that is absolutely acceptable and ought to be encouraged as a part of a program of inquiry into racial issues.
And again, the question isn't "banning" any ideas.
They are being banned from the classroom, which is relevant to the current discussion.
You have been given dozens of examples of primary sources and you still continue along in ignorance. You were given direct quotes about it being in schools from the Detroit superintendent and you remain ignorant.
At this point youre just lying lil shit weasel.
Teachers practice CRT, thus abusing children.
Is collective guilt a fact? Is systemic racism a fact?
No more than "race realism" that purports skin color determines intelligence or criminality is a fact.
Thank you for yet again demonstrating what a wholly evil clump of cancer cells you are, collectivistjeff.
Even in its most watered down version that you constantly try to pass off as the only version being taught, it’s still despicable collectivism.
Every one knows 3+4 =banama
Bananarama
Limiting what is taught in public schools is not “banning ideas”
Public schools should limit themselves to teaching reading, writing, arithmetic, physics, finance, and a few other important, controversial subjects.
There is no reason to teach history, religion, or politics at all in public schools, not from a left wing or right wing perspective. Those subjects kids can learn from their parents or on their own.
Well, then we just disagree on the entire point of going to school. The purpose of going to school is to get a well-rounded education, not just skills development or job training. We need more critical thinkers, we don't need more credentialed drones who do nothing more than regurgitate facts.
Agreed. You think school is about indoctrination to the left.
He/him thinks the purpose of public education is to produce good little postmodern Hitler youth
We know you want schools to be marxist propaganda centers and you'll tell any lie to push that forward.
That's like saying "the purpose of life is to jet set around the world and party". That may be a luxury you personally enjoy, but most people have to get a job, pay taxes, and get by. And the US public education system has failed people at that, with absurdly high costs and lousy outcomes.
Does your "critical thinking" ever include reflecting on the platitudes you spout? How can you criticize something if you don't know the facts underlying what you criticize?
In fact, teaching "critical thinking" (and other idiotic ideas like "learning how to learn"), instead of core skills and basic facts, has been the mantra of the US public education establishment for more than half a century. The result: massive cost increases and a steady decrease in the quality of education, in particular K-12 (though colleges and universities are lousy as well).
You could be a poster boy for "critical thinking" taught in the US public school system, "chemjeff". Really, you could.
Once the US public education system manages to teach 80% of its students reading, writing, STEM, and basic regurgitable historical and legal facts at grade level, then we can talk about what else it can do. Until then, it needs to focus on the basics.
You argued 2+2=5 was valid for months shit weasel.
ALL ideas, including the noxious ones, SHOULD be discussed in a professional and age-appropriate manner, SO THAT students *know* why they are such terrible ideas.
As intelligent people understand CRT is not discussed in schools, it is implemented. Since there is no discussion the pretense students will understand why they are terrible ideas is a pure lie.
Even if it was “discussed” the appropriate place for discussion of such topics is upper high school or college. I would say college because you don’t have to pay to go sit in such a class if you don’t want to.
Let me put it another way. Out here in the real world, not the world of right-wing infotainment news, these "CRT bans" are *STRENGTHENING* the case for these racial theories. Because, as the argument goes, Team Red is so threatened by these ideas that they have no choice but to try to suppress and ban them. "If these ideas were so self-evidently wrong, then they could easily provide strong arguments against them. But they can't, so they try to suppress them, because the ideas are correct!" Is that what you want?
If you want to defeat an idea, you must show why it is wrong, not try to suppress it or ban it.
These ideas are banned because teachers are authorities in the classroom, and your 11 year old isn't in a position to have strong arguments against them. They're not going to say, "Actually, if you look at the Somerset decision, in which James Somerset was freed in the colonies en route to Jamacia, in conjuction with the edict of George III to the governor of Virginia that same year (that he should assent to no law that prohibited or restricted the importation of slaves), it's pretty clear that the Revolutionary War had almost nothing to do with the protection of slavery."
We allow ideas to happen in the public discourse among adults that we don't allow taught as doctrine to children because they haven't the resources or the knowledge to refute lies to their teachers. Moreover, a teacher who makes white kids feel bad about being white solely because they're white is pretty disgusting. "Judge us not by the color of our skin but by the content of our character." Fuck any teacher who takes this approach.
OBVIOUSLY, topics taught in the classroom must be presented in an age-appropriate manner. Asking 11-year-olds to be detailed experts on 18th century case law is not appropriate.
Again jeff you've ignored dozens of primary examples such as the privilege rainbow in fucking kindergarten.
Youre so fucking dishonest.
Which is why teachers shouldn't be teaching any information related to the 1619 Project, which says that the Revolution fought solely so Americans could protect slavery. Kids can't refute that because they don't have the readings skills to delve through primary sources and tell the teacher that this is incorrect.
Obviously, teaching collective guilt and race essentialism is not appropriate.
You bet that indoctrinating young minds into Marxist lies is threatening. It’s threatening not just to “Team Red”, it’s hurting the kids.
Even if CRT were true, it would still be harmful to kids to teach it.
"Prohibiting teaching according to the theory of Aryan supremacy actually strengthens the theory of Aryan supremacy"
-collectivistjeff
Why don't you ask people who traveled the libertarian-to-alt-right pipeline what prompted them to make their journey. I'm sure you know plenty of them personally. I'm willing to bet that a large part of it was the insistence from certain quarters that certain topics were off-limits or taboo because "THAT'S RACIST". Making the topics forbidden didn't cause them to cease their inquiries, however, did it?
There is no "alt-right pipeline". What really happened is that leftists like you have become so deranged, bigoted, and radical that normal, middle-of-the-road Republicans, independents, and classical liberals look like "alt-right" extremists to you.
We didn't change views, people like you did.
And people that used to consider themselves liberals found out the word changed suddenly and it was populated by a cult of leftists.
Jeff, you are such a dishonest shit weasel. The right wing infotainment news you scream about is the one reporting on primary sourced material. You remain in either lies or ignorance. You lie about what is happening to defend the left.
Do you think many on the "right" take libertarianism to mean what it appears to be from Reason these days? That's a disturbing thought!
Reason is perhaps the foremost public representative of libertarianism.
And as long as libertarians continue to refer to it as a libertarian publication, it will remain the most well known representative of libertarianism.
Disturbing, but probably true. If you go to, say, Instapundit, when the commenters over there think libertarianism, yeah, they're mostly thinking Reason (and, no, not the commenters here).
Turner's story is the sort of brutal incident whose telling is threatened by nearly 90 proposed local and state education laws—Stewart calls them "gag orders"—that would ban schools from teaching the grisly particulars of American history, including state-sanctioned and state-tolerated violence against racial, sexual, and other minorities.
It undermines the entire piece that none of these proposed laws bans this story.
Yes. It's like that meme going around about Ruby Bridges saying if she's brave enough to live it your kids are brave enough to hear about it. Not a single bill is banning teaching about her. The Texas Bill might ban the requirement to teach about her but it took out a bunch of required teachings. It didn't forbid the teaching of any specific event. Under the new Texas law as long as whatever other required teachings are being met nothing is preventing a history teacher from starting and ending each class with a story like the Turner one. Or teaching every time the Texas Rangers were horrible human beings that violated the rights of non-whites. The teacher just can't end each day saying and therefore y'all white kids should feel guilty.
Libertarians arguing for taxpayer funded Marxist indoctrination in government run schools and justifying this scam with freedom of speech arguments.
You have to look no further than this kind of totalitarian crap to see why most ideological libertarians don’t want to be associated in any way with the libertarian movement. You people are just awful.
Outside of HyR (and, oh yeah, the hopeless LP, almost forgot about that), does the libertarian movement look anything like this? I've lost complete track of FEE, ISIL (not the Islamic State one), Cato, the Free State Project, Mises, I don't remember what else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre ... Tulsa never happened! It MUST be dumped into the memory hole along with the Holocaust! Right, right-wing nut job?
The Tulsa race massacre, the Holocaust, and the Holodomor must never be forgotten.
Neither must it be forgotten who was responsible for all of them: anti-capitalists, progressives, and intellectuals.
In the US, segregation, eugenics, forced medical experimentation, Keynesianism, and racism were promoted by some of the most respected intellectuals at Harvard and Princeton. And to this day, Democrats and progressives believe blacks to be inferior and to lack agency; to this day, they believe that slavery is economically beneficial; to this day, they want to prevent blacks from having babies; to this day, they apply a "one drop rule" to assign race and ethnicity.
You people are evil.
You know none of the proposed bills would ban teaching about that. At most they say you can’t tell the class that America is inherently racist and white people have collective guilt for the sins of the past.
FYI, our children were taught for what... two years running now that Cloth Masks Work to stop COVID.
Oh, looky, the Democrats are now making noises that they finally "beat covid". Watch Inslee don his 'face decoration' before his press conference.
Feb 8: 2020: 0 deaths
Feb 8: 2021 1699 deaths
Feb 8: 2022: 3489 deaths.
We've finally got COVID on the run!
Isn't it AMAZEBALLS how sober and thoughtful they're being all of a sudden?
Ha! Here's the live press conference. In the live shit, he is wearing what I believe to be an N95 (medical style) mask. Note he removes it, places it under the podium and touches his face after handling the podium.
Don't worry, they are working on redefining "COVID deaths" so that the numbers will seem to go down again.
They did the same with homelessness, just not counting many homeless anymore.
Uh oh, there goes da neighborhood, even da black folks are talking about Joe Rogan!
Great conversation. Thanks for the link.
At his Substack, a free mind, he tells the story of Mary Turner, a 21-year-old pregnant woman who was lynched in Georgia in 1918 for daring to protest the lynching of her own husband.
Mary Turner was born in 1885 so she would not have been 21 in 1918. Contemporary newspaper account has it that Hayes and Mary Turner were lynched for their planning and participation in a murder and home invasion robbery and that she was found in possession of the victim's watch
https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=TKZVAAAAIBAJ&dq=mary+turner+lynching&pg=3683,4843464&hl=en
33 seems to be correct age. To be fair, though, newspapers at the time might not have been too critical of white southerners who said, "We found the watch in her pocket!" So we don't need to get to the point of defending actual lynchings.
Schools aren’t people so they don’t have rights. QED.
Long thread, so I'll just post the link. Something to think about:
https://twitter.com/LibertyLockPod/status/1490860795369902082?t=3iJQNtDG4I6-S_r2UPndXw&s=19
Wokism has transitioned from being simply a bad idea to becoming the most powerful institutional force in global power dynamics
If you aren't familiar with ESG (aka Stakeholder Capitalism) you desperately need to be, thread...
1/X
"You think losing some customers hurts? Sure
Try having your market cap cut in half if the fund managers pull the plug
Larry and his cadre of super wOkE billionaire money managers now wield more power than anyone on earth barring MAYBE the central banks (but they are in bed so????)"
I like companies that have their market cap cut in half because of wokeism: they are a buy.
The problem is that ESG will likely primarily be used for market manipulation. That is, the company gets downgraded just after insiders sell, then the ESG issues will be addressed, and then they buy it right back.
I don’t think kids should be taught in government schools that individualism is racist. The parents that want that should pull their kids out and go to private school.
Teach all the truth about history that you want, but skip the Marxist bullshit, just like we wouldn’t want them reading Mein Kampf as an instruction manual just to teach kids about WW2.
If you don't want kids to be Marxists, tell them what it is and why you think it's a bad idea. Be honest with them and discuss it openly. Compare Marxism to other ideologies.- At the end of the day, it is their decision, not yours. But don't ban the idea from the classroom. That just drives it underground, it doesn't get rid of it.
Once again, look at the "COVID misinformation" censorship from tech platforms. Did all of that censorship get rid of the "misinformation"? No. It just drove it to less reliable platforms.
At the end of the day, banning ideas is a sign of insecurity. It signals that you don't have good arguments against the banned ideas, so the only way to "win" an argument against them is to simply use naked force to prohibit them from being discussed.
You don’t get my meaning.
I think it’s totally fine to teach kids about the labor theory of value (including it’s history and failure to make accurate economic predictions).
But they shouldn’t be teaching kids that they have a false consciousness if they’re not ready to become Marxist revolutionaries, or that they’re racists if they feel like individuals.
So act like a teacher should. Sounds like a good plan actually.
Yes. And we will only get that if teachers have the latitude to act like the professionals they are in the classroom.
These people whose professional judgement leftists claim we can rely on just spent a year lying that CRT was bot being taught in schools at all.
So no, we cannot rely on their professionalism.
Public school teachers aren't "professionals", they are state employees abusing their position to teach self-serving ideological positions, while at the same time failing in their duty to teach students even basic knowledge and skills they need for life.
And they shouldn't be given that latitude. We should force them to teach the basics and fire them if their graduates can't read, can't write, can't do math, or can't get a job.
"Yes. And we will only get that if teachers have the latitude to act like the professionals they are in the classroom."
We will only get professional policemen if we give them the latitude to act like professionals in public. Therefore, we should do away with oversight" --- chemjeff.
Wait a second, this just hit me, Stewart is black?
Holy shit, teach me to rely on the picture.
I guess he's like, Megan Markle black? Like, nudge-nudge, wink-wink black?
So 9/32 teams in the NFL fired head coaches this season, meaning 9 new HC job openings. Obviously, it has been turned into a racial issue by the media and activists. Most of the hires have been non black, while 2 who were fired are black, so this obviously proves systemic racism (because obviously pro football teams don't prioritize on field performance, but rather social structure).
But a funny thing happened with 2 of the final jobs to be filled. Miami hired a 38 year vunderkid who is biracial (black father), but looks white... so he apparently doesn't count.
Houston hired a 2 time former HC who was on their staff, Lovie Smith. But apparently he was the wrong black, so he apparently doesn't count.
And let's just back up a moment. The term CRT has been so heavily abused that it doesn't have any fixed meaning anymore.
So, the *actual Critical Race Theory* is a theory that says that all of society is irredeemably racist, that race-neutral policies intended to stop racial discrimination just don't work, and what's needed are explicitly race-conscious policies in order to create equality of outcomes (equity). That is the thumbnail version of the *actual* Critical Race Theory.
Adjacent to all of that are a bunch of other related topics, such as so-called "white privilege". This describes a real concept - statistically, people of different races have different outcomes, and in most cases, again statistically, white people tend to have better outcomes than those of other races. This is based on observations like:
Whites have longer life spans
Whites have greater net worth
Whites are less likely to be in jail for violent crimes
This is just statistics, this doesn't mean that whites as a group are a bunch of racists stealing money and medical care and throwing everyone else in prison. It also doesn't mean that every white person will live to 80, or is a millionaire, or will stay out of jail. It's a statistical picture, not a prediction of individual outcomes.
There are many possible reasons to try to explain these statistics. Some people use CRT (the actual CRT) to try to explain it. Other people use different arguments to try to explain it. I know Thomas Sowell has written arguments concerning these topics. It's a worthy topic of discussion and it absolutely ought to be discussed in the classroom.
So yet another problem with these anti-CRT laws is that it makes it very difficult, if not impossible, to even discuss a concept like white privilege without running afoul of the law. Because race is such a sensitive topic, even bringing it up can make people feel "distressed". So of course the result is that teachers won't talk about it. That's the chilling effect. That is what's going to happen.
You can always tell when the leftists are protecting the team by how they try to whitewash what their allies are claiming.
For example here he pretends claims of white privilege are:
Whites have longer life spans
whites have greater net worth
Whites are less likely to be in jail for violent crimes
But in reality CRT advocates claim timeliness, having a good attitude, and striving for success are white supremacy. This is typical motte and bailey bullshit by someone only interested in lying to the public so they drop their opposition to something he supports.
Further he tries to claim CRT and white supremacy are different but of course they are not.
what's needed are explicitly race-conscious policies in order to create equality of outcomes (equity). That is the thumbnail version of the *actual* Critical Race Theory.
Note this explanation. Since according to CRT analysts fewer blacks show up on time, have a positive attitude, and strive for success "equity" demands we grant an offsetting benefit in exchange. As you can see the insane white privilege nonsense is a direct result of applying CRT theory. Their working process is that anything which creates a negative racial disproportionality is white supremacy, there is no other explanation for variability.
But the key to understanding all of this is that teaching white children they oppress their black friends merely by existing is racist, as is teaching black children that showing up on time, having a positive attitude, and striving for success are white traits. This is not remotely controversial which is why leftists try every distraction technique ever invented to avoid admitting this is the objection.
Further we know those who developed CRT [the "pure" core in the defender's parlance] fully support the white supremacy nonsense it has been used to develop [by the corrupt expanders]. If the expanders were misusing the core's theory then the core would be objecting both to the expanders directly and whenever the white supremacy nonsense becomes public. But that never happens. Not one single time. This is because they don't object, their theory is being used exactly as was intended.
We cannot tolerate educators teaching this racism any more than we would tolerate them teaching black and white kids they shouldn't play together because of their race.
"So, the *actual Critical Race Theory* is a theory that says that all of society is irredeemably racist, that race-neutral policies intended to stop racial discrimination just don't work, and what's needed are explicitly race-conscious policies in order to create equality of outcomes (equity). That is the thumbnail version of the *actual* Critical Race Theory."
You don't see the problem with this definition? Really?
So? Statistically different outcomes don't translate into "privilege" or lack of fairness.
Asians earn more and are better educated on average than whites. Women have higher college attendance rates, are much less likely to be victims of violent crime, and live longer than men. So, we must have Asian and female privilege as well! Quick, let's destroy those privileges!
Yes, and all those explanations are irrelevant to policy. What matters to policy is the choices, discrimination, benefits, etc. that individuals have experienced.
Yes, and the explanations that CRT attempts are wrong. They aren't just slightly wrong, they are flat-earth-style wrong. Such utter and complete nonsense has no place in school.
Why should teachers "talk about" abstruse philosophical theories in elementary and high schools when they can't even teach students to read, write, do math, balance a checkbook, and get a job?
Jeff's ignorance is stunning. Even after a year if primary sources examples he lies.
Jeff is probably a product of the US public school system.
The "uncomfortable history" people need to remember is that Xprogressives have been responsible for eugenics, for forced sterilization, for the KKK, for segregation, for economic disasters, for increasing inequality, for keeping African Americans in poverty. The "uncomfortable history" people need to remember is that progressives want to wage wars around the globe, were in love with European fascists, have supported modern dictators from Castro to Xi, and are in love with Chinese authoritarianism, tariff-free trade with China.
Until progressives face their rotten, evil history, nothing in the US will improve and we are doomed to repeat the same mistakes over and over again.
https://twitter.com/TimRunsHisMouth/status/1491465045175328770?t=YiyyPrFM5nP1l3lwhnjYKA&s=19
Trump wanted to revitalize the black community with the Platinum plan that invested millions in businesses... Biden sent the black community crack pipes.
"would ban schools from teaching the grisly particulars of American history" - Not true and I would expect better of Reason. Nobody is banning talking about the bad parts of history.