Penny Lane: Can 75 Million Kenny G Fans Be Wrong?
The HBO documentary Listening to Kenny G brilliantly explores the gulf between market success and critical acclaim.

With apologies to Elvis Presley: Can 75 million Kenny G fans be wrong to love the man who inspired the "smooth jazz" genre? That's the question at the heart of the brilliant new HBO documentary, Listening to Kenny G.
Best known for such instrumental hits as "Songbird" and "Silhouette," the saxophonist formerly known as Kenneth Gorelick has sold 75 million records since the 1980s and has recently enjoyed new fame by collaborating with such artists as Kanye West and the Weeknd. Yet one constant throughout his career has been the incredible amount of bile that jazz artists and critics have spewed his way.
Listening To Kenny G is, director Penny Lane tells Nick Gillespie, "an exploration of why Kenny G is the most popular and successful and best-selling instrumentalist of all time and why that success makes a certain subset of people like really mad." It's by turns funny and deep as jazz critics rail against the title character, who seems to take everything in stride.
Lane also talks about her previous documentaries, including Our Nixon (2013) and Hail Satan? (2019; watch a Reason interview about it here), why Errol Morris is her guiding light as a nonfiction filmmaker, and what she likes about Reason, which she started reading in college. "Society," she explains, "needs people who are annoying, who stand outside and say, yeah, but what about this? You know? I've always identified with that kind of personality."
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It was the perfect sleep soundtrack, so fuck the haters.
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"It was the perfect sleep soundtrack, so fuck the haters."
Yep. Kenny G is better than Sominex.
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Ehhh. Nothing of note here.
Hyping this documentary came off a little pitchy.
It’s all out of scale.
f-a-c-e the facts, every Gorelick boy deserves fame.
Wow.
he really... Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz... Sorry dozed off there for a bit
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In this case, Kenny G's sales are just proving that he is exceptionally mediocre.
In short, no--McDonalds does not make the most delicious food of any restaurant in the world.
McDonalds does not make the most delicious food of any restaurant in the world.
Ken Schultz? Not a good guy. Not very bright, frankly.
/Donald Trump
But... McRib!
I'm not saying people don't like what they make, but most people--by definition--have mediocre tastes.
In a normal distribution, most people are in the middle. That's all their success tells us.
Quality comes from catering to a relatively small population of aficionados. When it crosses over into the overall population, the quality dilutes as it becomes more pervasive.
It doesn't just work that way with music, food, and beer. Genetic progress works that way, too. From memory, improvements are spread by a reciprocal of the square root of the population. A genetic improvement from a mutation can have a big impact on a small population very quickly. A population of 325 million is relatively resistant to inherited improvements on average--compared to the population of an isolated 1,000 member tribe.
We're more or less talking about the same thing here. In statistics, tastes within three standard deviations of the mean will account for 99.7% of the population. Tastes will only vary within one standard deviation from the mean in 68% of the population.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/68%E2%80%9395%E2%80%9399.7_rule
We appeal to 68% of the population by being mediocre. That's what it means to dominate the market like Kenny G, McDonalds, Bud Light, . . .
The mean does move around as the edges become more radical in one way or the other, but when punk rock becomes popular with the mean, it sounds like Blink 182 and Green Day. When 68% of the population become libertarian and capitalist, they won't be like we are, but it will be a much more libertarian and capitalist world.
FUCK YES.
the man who inspired the "smooth jazz" genre?
Wasn't that Chuck Mangione?
it's always fun and games with Chuck Mangione
And what about George Benson? Breezin'? Sorry, "smooth jazz" had been around a long time before Kenny. You could even put Wes Montgomery's later albums in that genre.
Benson had talent, and was respectable.
Kenny G is just loved by about a billion chicoms and makes most of his money there. And he does what they tell him [check what happened when he posted a picture of himself and some Chinese dissidents a few years back]
>>was respectable
still very alive ("he was Italian. he IS Italian")
Can 75 Million Kenny G Fans Be Wrong?
Yes. Next?
Michael Bolton was able to poke fun at his own commercial success.
funny on new Dating Game
The only thing the success of Brittany Spears and her many clones taught us about quality music is that the average American is obsessed with jailbait.
Jailbait! That's the word I was looking for to describe Kenny G!
No. Kenny G isn't jailbait.
Even if you swing like that, he wasn't underage.
Has the term "jailbait" fallen out of use as . . . jailbait has become the norm?
Cherri Curry was jailbait.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EBvXpjudf8
If you made a mockumentary about the Runaways, the band would be called "Jailbait".
Back when the first Star Trek was on, they put the uniformed women in miniskirts because they were trying to suggest that in the future, women would be liberated--and they would be free to wear clothes like that in a professional setting. Society would be uninhibited and feminist.
On the one hand, people now laugh at those Star Trek uniforms as horribly sexist. On the other hand, high school girls wear stuff today that would have started a national scandal in the days of Star Trek, and no one bats an eye.
Back when the first Star Trek was on, they put the uniformed women in miniskirts because they were trying to suggest that in the future, women would be liberated--and they would be free to wear clothes like that in a professional setting. Society would be uninhibited and feminist.
I miss bra-burning feminism too.
I think it's a lot more likely that they just thought showing more leg would attract more viewers.
I liked Joan better.
Yes, it's perplexing how "feminists" will decry the appearance of scantily-clad women in entertainment and advertising while simultaneously defending the right of girls to go to school naked.
Kenny G released a Christmas album where he performs all of his holiday favorites.
Happy birthday Jesus, I hope you like crap.
RIP Norm
"...Happy birthday Jesus, I hope you like crap..."
OK, that's FUNNY! Your puns are amusing, but that's got me laughing.
Wasn't Penny Lane the groupie in Almost Famous?
it's in your ears and in your eyes.
SHE WASN'T A GROUPIE!!!
Kenny G -- too tame for Muzak.
There just wasn't any point in editing it.
No story on the REAL music documentary (Get Back) that debuted over the Thanksgiving holiday?
Maybe it doesn't fit the narrative that you can't be a commercial success and critically acclaimed. Although to be fair, the Beatles' simpler early songs sold more, when they were much less accomplished as musicians and composers.
Also, their ability to be both popular and innovative is unusual.
People couldn't wait for the next Beatles album, and it was Rubber Soul--surpassing their expectations. People couldn't wait for the next Beatles album, and it was Revolver Psychedelia in music really began with Tomorrow Never Knows.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHNbHn3i9S4
And then you know what happened? How often does it happen that everyone can't wait for the next album--and it's fucking Sgt. Pepper's!!!
People aren't used to having extremely high expectations and then seeing them surpassed beyond their wildest expectations--beyond what they knew was possible.
The Beatles just aren't the norm.
Then they put out the dreadful White Album, and they were on the slide to their demise.
and yet somehow managed to slap together Let it Be and Abbey Road after that
Yes, because they went back to letting George Martin produce them. On their own, without adult supervision, they weren't that special.
I remember bringing home Sgt Pepper, and being disgusted that my mother liked it.
and Your Mother Should Know
Yeah, I remember her...
Revolver was their peak, as far as albums.
Sgt. Pepper’s is overrated — lots of filler songs. The White Album should have been cut down to a single album — it was the worst for filler and downright outtakes.
I think the Beatles were great, but we should be honest that not every song was great. There were lots of mediocre ones.
The new documentary is interesting, but also too long and repetitive.
What is really impressive is to look at all the albums Glyn Johns produced by The Who, Led Zeppelin, and many others.
The Beatles have no legs.
Van Morrison does, the Rolling Stones do; not the Beatles. Pop, followed by 'Edgy' which lasted as long as the latest clothing style.
Never listened to Revolver then?
Chicago based their whole career on one Beatles song (Got to Get You Into My Life).
No legs? People are talking about the Beatles 50 years later, and making 7-hour documentaries about them, with millions of new fans watching their videos on YouTube. And people will still be talking about them 50 years from now.
And yet they are never on the radio, except on Oldies stations. Not Classic Rock. Not store music radio.
Only people who like them are Boomers
Well, I'm not a boomer, and plenty of people younger than I am are finding them on YouTube and reacting with amazement at how talented they are compared to current acts.
Imagine if New Kids on the Block or Boyz 2 Men had, within 7 years of hitting it big as boy bands, gone on to compose and perform songs like Revolution, Come Together, Get Back, or A Day in the Life.
And I heard "Nowhere Man" on store radio at the Grocery Outlet just last week.
Because they were cuter.
No story on the REAL music documentary (Get Back) that debuted over the Thanksgiving holiday?
I've been watching it so far and haven't been impressed. It's mostly been film of them sitting around and bullshitting.
The one notable thing I've seen so far is what a fucking groupie Yoko really was. You don't see any of the other band members' significant others hanging around the band all day while they try and pull a set list of original music together.
when's the documentary on Oingo Boingo?
It's the dead man's comments section...
there's nothing to fear but fear itself.
If you listen to their lyrics (at least on their first album), there's no way they'll ever get a documentary
A song like "Only a Lad" in today's environment?
to me Elfman was satirical commentary on a DK level ... *and* the music was even better ... my parents freaked out when they heard Nothing Bad Ever Happens and I could never get them to see the joke in it
Is that the Kenneth Goldsmith Kenny G, or the other one?
Kenny G spot
Thanks for the insightful article!
Meanwhile, the Beatles prove that both critics AND audiences suck
Kenny G is a sax offender.
not a Saxon.
Maybe the Beatles do have legs after all:
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/the-beatles-charts-get-back-b1970447.html
According to Billboard’s latest report, Let It Be leapt from No 62 to No 22 in the UK albums chart this week, while the hits album 1 shot up from No 57 to No 37.