The Spending Bill Got Smaller, but It's Still Full of Bad Ideas

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The Spending Bill Got Smaller, but It's Still Full of Bad Ideas

On this Monday's Reason Roundtable, Matt Welch, Katherine Mangu-Ward, Peter Suderman, and Nick Gillespie cover even more disappointing details of the reconciliation bill.

Discussed in the show:

4:21: The bad policies in the "Build Back Better" bill.

19:07: The Virginia gubernatorial race: What's the significance of it being so close, so suddenly, and apparently a lot over education kerfuffles?

39:05: Weekly Listener Question: Is it consistent with libertarian principles to support public- or private-sector vaccine mandates that don't provide a reasonable accommodation for those that have legitimate concerns?

52:34: Media recommendations for the week.

This week's links:

• "Biden's New Spending Framework Promises To Do Everything but Still Cost Nothing. That Doesn't Make Sense." by Eric Boehm
• "Joe Biden Will Let World Leaders Know He Wants To Spend a Lot of Money on Climate Change," by Christian Britschgi
• "Barack Obama Loves Children So Much He Wants to Make Daycare ALOT More Expensive," by Nick Gillespie
• "What it's like to be on the front lines of the school board culture war," by Anya Kamenetz
• "CNN Poll: Most Democrats favor a bigger bill on social safety net and climate," by Jennifer Agiesta and Ariel Edwards-Levy
• "'Parents' rights' is code for white race politics," by Juan Williams

Send your questions to [e-mail]. Be sure to include your social media handle and the correct pronunciation of your name.

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Audio production by Ian Keyser
Assistant production by Regan Taylor
Music: "Angeline," by The Brothers Steve

What are we consuming this week?

Peter Suderman

• The War on Drugs: I Don’t Live Here Anymore

Nick Gillespie

• Psychoactive (podcast)

Katherine Mangu-Ward

• A Deadly Education: A Novel, by Naomi Novik

Matt Welch

• The Misfits

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Weekly Listener Question: Is it consistent with libertarian principles to support public- or private-sector vaccine mandates that don't provide a reasonable accommodation for those that have legitimate concerns?

Pretty simple.

Assuming no government coercion, private sector vaccine mandates even with NO accommodations is well within libertarian principles. I may disagree with them and should be free to criticize them, but it is within the right of the business to establish their own policies.

ANY pubic sector mandates with or without reasonable accommodations are the antithesis of libertarian principles. Even those required of employees and suppliers. That is just covert authoritarianism.

[JesseAz]

Assuming no government coercion

In the discussion you jumped in between Sqrsly/Sarc and I, you didn't respond. But this is a huge assumption. There were near zero companies pushing mandates before Biden had his press conference regarding his EOs for defense and OSHA regulations.

On top of that we have seen multiple disruptions to markets from mandates and many CEOs going on television to state the disruptions caused by the mandates, asking for extensions.

Given all this, how can you even get close to an assumption that multi-national corporations are doing this voluntarily? Tracking alone is an added cost to employment. Threats to regulation are another.

Based on these, no the mandates are not necessary.

This is especially true in light of the vaccinated spreading the virus at the same rate as the unvaccinated. Once the spread is agnostic to status of the shot, then there is no protection to the society based on the vaccine. It is merely an individualized prophylactic. And based on that, the mandate is never valid.

But even assuming the prior is untrue. Mandates to protect against natural risk is never in a libertarian belief set. Ever.

If a baby can supposedly violate the NAP by simply breathing and expunging a virus particle, then you can rationalize any restriction to anybody.

[Stonebraker]

It took me a few hours to get back to you this weekend, but I did finally respond. I try to respond as quickly as I can, but I have a lot going on. Here was my response from then:

"I agree that many and maybe even most of the businesses had not planned on implementing a mandate. However, there may have been some that freely wanted to, and they should have the right to do so. I have no sympathy at all for the Biden EO.

I do have some sympathy for the intent of the Abbott EO. However, I also have several sticking points on the Abbott EO.

1. I am always concerned with precedents that are set by new government regulation. Giving the government another point of control over businesses is a bad precedent and not one that I am comfortable handing over to the democrats. Again I have some sympathy for the intent, but not the precedents that it sets.

2. I am a small business owner and every one of these laws is just another intrusion in the operation of the business that leads to fatigue and distracts from the actual operation of the business. Even if I don’t intend on requiring vaccination for my employees, I still need to have proof that vaccination status was not the reason for firing someone during an unemployment dispute and to avoid punishment from the state government. Even addressing the government investigations on this type of stuff is stressful and exhausting. It may be a small ask, but it definitely accumulates, and it is death by a million cuts that gives advantages to larger businesses that can more easily handle additional regulation.

3. I am also very concerned about covert regulation of businesses and citizens. This would be threats and coercion by the government to achieve the same goals as legislation without having to pass legislation. I believe that giving any government more overt control over businesses will definitely increase the governments ability to covertly control all of us.

While Abbott’s EO gives employees their ability to choose whether to take the vaccine or not (a win), it still exerts increased control over businesses and punishes them for making decisions that the government does not like (a massive loss). We need to draw a line in the sand at some point and fight all government intrusion.

Ultimately, I think we share a lot of the same concerns, but I don’t think giving the government more control is the way out."

In response to a few of your points above:

"Given all this, how can you even get close to an assumption that multi-national corporations are doing this voluntarily?"

I would definitely not make the claim that all of the businesses that fell under the Biden EO wanted to impose a mandate anyway. However, I think it would be similarly wrong to say that none of the businesses wanted to freely impose the mandate themselves.

"This is especially true in light of the vaccinated spreading the virus at the same rate as the unvaccinated. Once the spread is agnostic to status of the shot, then there is no protection to the society based on the vaccine. It is merely an individualized prophylactic. And based on that, the mandate is never valid."

Again assuming no government coercion, I largely view this as a free association and private property issue. I should be able to set the conditions upon which I allow someone onto my property or to take a position at my business. If the other party does not like those conditions then they are not invited onto my property or to work in my business. If the government steps in to dictate how I associate with my employees then that takes away my property rights (a natural right). The only moral parties that get to determine if a mandate or request is valid are the parties involved. I want to allow the market the freedom to determine these things. Not some desk jockey in a government building.

[JesseAz]

However, there may have been some that freely wanted to, and they should have the right to do so.

I address this below. But in a collusive market this is not true. Again I point to the SV companies organizing to lower wages in silent non poaching agreements. It is a collusive market currently, especially when many of these are large corporations and not individually owned but owned by shareholders and the public. Likewise they get government graft so have an incentive to cave to federal demands.

I am always concerned with precedents that are set by new government regulation. Giving the government another point of control over businesses is a bad precedent and not one that I am comfortable handing over to the democrats.

The precedent was set by Biden. Texas merely tried to favor the individual.

I am a small business owner and every one of these laws is just another intrusion in the operation of the business that leads to fatigue and distracts from the actual operation of the business. Even if I don’t intend on requiring vaccination for my employees,... cut off for brevity, but entire paragraph.

So you are being influenced by the mandate by your admission. Likewise the government has been using risk adjusters and banks to also push their influence onto small business owners, which is why things like outlawing federal influence from imposing mandates is the correct action. See In-N-Out in California.

While Abbott’s EO gives employees their ability to choose whether to take the vaccine or not (a win), it still exerts increased control over businesses and punishes them for making decisions that the government does not like (a massive loss).

By your own admission it is not a massive loss as you were already under the influence of the federal mandate. How is that a massive loss?

However, I think it would be similarly wrong to say that none of the businesses wanted to freely impose the mandate themselves.

Do you have an example of any doing so prior to the EOs?

Again assuming no government coercion,

And this is where you lose me. You're trying to live in a fictional world yet degrading Abbots response to a real impulse to the system. You can't have it both ways.

In a perfect world government has virtually no hand. We don't live anywhere near that perfect world.

So in this world you take two competing government hands and find out which one maximizes the rights of the individual. That is Texas' order, not Biden's.

[Stonebraker]

"But in a collusive market this is not true. Again I point to the SV companies organizing to lower wages in silent non poaching agreements. It is a collusive market currently, especially when many of these are large corporations and not individually owned but owned by shareholders and the public. Likewise they get government graft so have an incentive to cave to federal demands."

Being in a free society does not mean that everyone is going to act as we would like at all times. Sometimes there will be collusion. In fact, a labor union is a form of collusion that I believe most libertarians would support and would have been a free market solution to the problem posed above. I want to avoid giving any government more overt points of control that can be used as leverage for covert control.

"The precedent was set by Biden. Texas merely tried to favor the individual."

I agree, and I praised the portion of the Texas EO that gave some power back to the employees. Employees is an important distinction from individual though. While there are many large multinational faceless corporations running around, the vast vast vast majority of business are small business with one or a few owners. Those owners are also individuals, and their property rights are being infringed upon by the Abbott EO. Yes the precedent was initially set by Biden but was expanded upon by Abbott. If Abbott had directed state officials to interfere with the implementation of the Biden mandate, that would have been a massive win for freedom. Unfortunately, Texas will now punish individuals who own businesses that do not do as they are told. Also, when I looked at the Abbott EO, it looks like it applied to EVERY business. Not just those with 100+ employees.

"So you are being influenced by the mandate by your admission."

Yes. Absolutely. Although I am not requiring vaccination for my employees, the Biden EO does sit at the back of my mind, and I am contemplating how to address it. If I were in Texas, this would have become far more complex. I would then have to decide if I wanted to get nailed by the state or feds. Not a position that I envy.

"Likewise the government has been using risk adjusters and banks to also push their influence onto small business owners, which is why things like outlawing federal influence from imposing mandates is the correct action. See In-N-Out in California."

Absolutely! Operation Chokepoint ring any bells? I completely agree that outlawing federal influence would be an amazing step. It would probably be pretty hard to enforce since you can coerce someone through indirect somewhat nebulous threats. For example, congress calls in all of the tech execs and asks them about controlling information on their site. At the end of the questioning congress says "next up is discussion on a bill to tax unrealized capital gains". Not a direct threat but an implied threat of passing damaging legislation unless you do as you are told.

Unfortunately, Abbott's EO did not strike at the federal government directly. It exerts new Texas state powers over businesses that it did not have before. These additional new points of control can then be used as further points of leverage in the covert control of businesses.

"Do you have an example of any doing so prior to the EOs?"

I do not, but it seems unrealistic that no business that the Biden mandate applies to would have done it voluntarily. I could definitely be wrong. I did not talk to every business owner that fell under the mandate. In the end though, it does not totally matter since a business should be free to set their own policies. The employees can then decide whether or not they accept those terms.

"So in this world you take two competing government hands and find out which one maximizes the rights of the individual. That is Texas' order, not Biden's."

Yes. I agree. The only slight change I would make is "So in this world you take two competing government hands and find out which one maximizes the rights of *more* individuals." It is not all individuals. However, I can approve of some of the results of the Abbott EO while also pointing out that it does take us generally further from the dock of freedom. We now have two laws that we have to get rid of to get back to the level of freedom we had two months ago.

[JesseAz]

Being in a free society does not mean that everyone is going to act as we would like at all times. Sometimes there will be collusion.

Now you are arguing against free market principles which are one of the definitions of standard libertarianism. When markets collude or act in a non free market manner there should be a fixing to discourage said behavior. Monopolies are fine. Collusive markets are not. This is again where you seem to have a contradiction in your beliefs.

While there are many large multinational faceless corporations running around, the vast vast vast majority of business are small business with one or a few owners.

We are not dealing with solely small market actors in these government discussions. In fact Biden tried to keep it at business > 100.

I think we are in agreement now elsewhere.

[Stonebraker]

I will absolutely concede that I have a VERY laissez faire approach to the free market. I will also concede that I may believe in the invisible hand to a fault. So although I do see collusion as non-competitive behavior, it is a legitimate part of a free market. I view this as the businesses own some resource that they are selling. They have no moral obligation to supply that resource at their best price. Society also does not have a right to those business's resources at their best price. So if the businesses can collude to set a higher price for their resources, that is within their rights. The same goes for labor in my opinion. Labor can also collude to only offer their services at a higher price. In both cases, it may or may not work out well for the colluding parties. Especially in a truly free market, which we are light years away from.

I think collusion becomes a problem when the government gets involved to protect that part of the market. For example, FedEx and UPS strangely seem to raise their hazardous material shipping fees at the exact same time to the exact same amount. I would have no issue with this if there were fewer government restrictions on the hazardous shipping industry. That would allow new market participants to come in and undercut the two existing businesses to steal market share and put downward pressure on the fee. As of right now, I am just along for the ride.

"We are not dealing with solely small market actors in these government discussions. In fact Biden tried to keep it at business > 100"

I agree with that.

"I think we are in agreement now elsewhere."

Awesome. I actually felt like we weren't too far off from the start.

[sarcasmic]

Define "legitimate concerns."

[Stonebraker]

This is another issue. Who gets to determine what is a legitimate concern? Once the government gets involved, they get the final say. Not the parties involved.

[JesseAz]

it is within the right of the business to establish their own policies.

Also you have to realize that liberty needs to be maximized at individuals for libertarianism to work. Otherwise you lead to the slow overtaking of your liberties through government coercion.

An individual should not be harmed based under the principles of "private business" or you end up in the territory of questioning if selling oneself to slavery or indentured servitude is legal.

This is especially true when corporations collude in a wide market place. For example when Silicon Valley corporations practiced buy and kills and colluded to not poach each others employees. Under your simple take, this would be libertarian.

[Chumby]

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[Ken Shultz]

If McAuliffe loses in Virginia tomorrow, I think it likely that the whole bill will be abandoned. Seeing a Democrat lose in a blue state through association with Biden's actions on school boards--among other things--will send the moderate Democrats (in purple and red districts especially) to the exits on the Biden/progressive agenda.

For a while, it looked like smearing Republicans as insurrectionists might do the trick, but even that's blowing up in their faces. In McAuliffe's case, it's blown up in his face twice, once with the, "I don’t think parents should be telling schools what they should teach" line, and now with the Lincoln Project dirty tricks campaign being exposed. That Lincoln Project story is so awful, a conspiracy theorist might think it was secret plot by the Republicans to make Democrats look bad!

Just a few days ago, the headlines were all about why the Congressional Progressive Caucus refuses to vote for the infrastructure bill, but come Wednesday morning, if McAuliffe loses, the headlines will be all about why the moderate Democrats won't support Biden and the progressives' budget reconciliation bill--whether the progressives vote for the infrastructure bill or not.

All the attention has been on Manchin and Sinema, as if they were the only thing standing in the way of the budget reconciliation bill, but there are nine moderate Democrats in the House that Pelosi has screwed over three times by refusing to hold the promised vote on the infrastructure bill, and their opposition is just as serious as Manchin's and Sinema's in the Senate. If the become convinced that their political careers are over if their opponents associate them with Biden, their numbers will grow and they will dig in their heels.

I wish their opposition were being driven by a rejection of the American people for socialism whether straight up in the form of entitlement spending or under the guise of fighting climate change. I think it more likely that moderate Democrats are afraid of what further inflation will do to their reelection chances--as well as what will happen to heating costs during the upcoming winter. If a Democrat can't win in a blue state for being associated with Biden on other issues like education, how will moderate House Democrats in purple districts survive the midterms--after voting for inflation and high energy costs?

I'm not saying that Biden's and the progressives' budget reconciliation bill will necessarily fail, but there are good reasons to hope it will. And if McAuliffe loses, the chances of it dying from neglect go up tremendously. And Pelosi doesn't have much time. While the moderate Democrats are being cajoled to support a bill that will almost certainly doom them, their opponents are proverbially kissing babies, winning endorsements, and raising money. She has a couple of weeks at most--assuming McAuliffe wins.

[Longtobefree]

How is McAuliffe to lose with democrats deciding what is a vote, and who gets to vote, and how many times?

[Ken Shultz]

What if he loses in spite of that?

That's what we're talking about.

[JesseAz]

At least one Dem heavy county is already violating election laws Ken. I don't know why you are so blasé about open violations. Even if the GOP overcomes the issues, why waive away the issues?

[Ken Shultz]

I'm not blase, and I'm not predicting a victory in a blue state.

I'm saying that if the Democrat loses, what then?

Surely, it is possible for a Democrat to lose. It's happened many, many times in American history--despite ballot box stuffing.

I don't know why you seem to think 2020 changed everything.

[Joe Friday]

There's no proof of "ballot box stuffing" in modern American history. Trump set up a commission on 2017 to investigate these claims using the most vocal proponent of voter fraud as chairman. They disbanded after a few months and NOTHING!

A comprehensive 2014 study published in The Washington Post found 31 credible instances of impersonation fraud from 2000 to 2014, out of more than 1 billion ballots cast. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-comprehensive-investigation-of-voter-impersonation-finds-31-credible-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/

What's wrong with this guy?

[JesseAz]

This is just a lie.

Ga found thousands of double voters, so did Arizona. Wisconsin has proof of at least one nursing home (investigated by a sheriff) showing advanced stage senility/Alzheimer patients voting for the first time since 2012. Multiple fraud indictments across the country. More than a dozen court cases ruling changes to the election were illegal.

You're just ignorant and lying.

These complaints go far back, way before 2017. That study largely involved only looking at convictions of voter fraud when no DAs were really even looking for voter fraud.

Go ping your local police station on number of jaywalking convictions. You'd get a return of almost zero but you can see them every day if you drive at all. It's amazing how a study to see how many convictions of things nobody is looking for returns almost zero results.

But you fell for it like the useful idiot you are.

[Joe Friday]

Your insults belie the weakness of your argument. Give me the links to your allegations and I'll look at them, but if all as weak as the Georgia claim - see my response below - my data is better. I suggest you read it.

[JesseAz]

I've linked these dozens of times. The wisconsin one is in the morning round up. But you of course choose to stick fingers on your ears instead.

Pretty standard for your ilk.

[Joe Friday]

The Wisconsin nursing home allegations - 8 votes - are that, allegations by Republicans seeking partisan advantage. They ignore the bipartisan vote to by pass SVD due to covid and are inesplicably calling on the resignation of the state election commissioner.

SO far you have Georgia Republicans promising prosecution and then not doing it - wonder why? - and Wisconsin Republicans trying to make political hay on 8 votes.

Got anything serious?

[Chumby]

The Democrats do use klandestine means to alter election outcomes.

[Joe Friday]

Chumby, saying unsupported BS is standard fare here, but can lay it back just a little? Biden won Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Michigan not because the blue counties pumped it up, but because the he did so much better in the red ones than Hillary. In fact, he did worse than her in Atlanta, Philly, and Detroit, the blue counties where if cheating were involved, he would have done better. 2+2 = your claim is completely false.

[JesseAz]

Is your assertion zero voter fraud occurs in elections?

https://news.yahoo.com/1000-georgia-voters-face-prosecution-161307958.html

This was an initial count. A statewide check put this number at 5000. Ga has decline to pursue.

[Joe Friday]

Jesse, after swearing they would prosecute Georgia has brought no charges and the allegations are not credible. The alleged incidences supposedly involved people who had mailed in a ballot and then showed up at the polls to vote again, possibly explained as their not knowing if their mail in vote had counted. Georgia's system was supposed to catch and negate these type violations. The penalties in Georgia and everywhere are severe and committing fraud on purpose would be extremely foolish with almost no reward - really think you're going to swing an election - and very high risk. In answer to your question, multiple studies of voter fraud have shown it to be exceedingly rare - no wonder given the risk/reward - and as I explained to Chumbly above, the counties Biden made gains in - the red ones - and lost ground to Hillary in - the blue ones - belies the possibility that shenanigans in the blue locations explain his victory.

[JesseAz]

This could be the dumbest thing you've said. They have evidence. They declined to investigate as it would show false applications and problems in the system. Declining to prosecute is not a no finding dumbass

Intentional ignorance seems to be a forte.

[Joe Friday]

Jesse, have you seen the evidence? Do we know this wasn't innocent people who never voted by mail before and so were afraid it hadn't counted? If so, let's see it. Rafensburger promised he was going to prosecute - and didn't.

[Ken Shultz]

Just for the record, my take is that voter fraud is as old as the republic. The things we've seen happen in the past have all happened in spite of whatever voter fraud. It generally only comes into play in very close elections. Still, Republicans have won in spite of that kind of thing before, and it wouldn't surprise me if they win in spite of whatever shenanigans again.

The Democrats are worried about losing for good reason.

[Ken Shultz]

P.S. The arguments about suppression of speech about Hunter Biden and the probable origin of the pandemic may have been more important than voter fraud, and I'd mention the relaxed mail in balloting during the pandemic as being a big factor in 2020, as well. You're probably better off talking about those things--just from a PR perspective--when we're talking to friends and family. 2020 was by no means a normal election just from the voting laws changing and the suppression of information.

[Joe Friday]

In Sept of 2016 Fusion GPS invited aa major news sources to view the Christopher Steele allegations in their NY office. None of them published any of the allegations until after the election. It's called being responsible and not helping political operatives spring October surprises just before an election. Ken's citing of the Hunter Biden information, as if withholding it in 2020 was unique, when the major news sources treated allegations against Trump exactly the same demonstrates his ignorance of current events and explains his partisan blinders.

[Chumby]

You missed the plot.

[TJJ2000]

...And who WON all those states in the 2020 election by REAL VISIBLE IN-PERSON PEOPLE?

[Joe Friday]

TJJ, in years past the GOP won more mail in votes than Democrats, so if that was how you want to roll, you lost those elections by even more votes. The reason this occurred in 2020 was because Fatso told his voters to not mail in baloots so he would have something to complain about, and by golly, here you are complaining. Get that ring out of your nose.

[TJJ2000]

Not by any +80% ratio... When mail-in ballots was first introduced it's legitimacy was argued by it's established correlation with DIRECT REAL-PEOPLE votes. That has generally been consistent UNTIL the 2020 election. Mail-in votes are no longer legitimate by those historical standards of legitimacy.

But like most lefty P.O.S.'s; You know darn well that you don't really care one bit about election integrity any more than the other hundreds of turned Nazi-Nations that fraud-ed elections.

It goes hand-in-hand with pretending 50% fraudulent [WE] mob Votes-for-Nazism can conquer the USA instead of getting the required 2/3rds Congress and State Ratification.

[eyeroller]

Millionaires urge Democrats to include billionaire tax in spending bill

Best headline ever?

[Longtobefree]

I think they meant include the billionaire SALT deduction, not actual taxes.

[TJJ2000]

Which parts of the Spending Bill are US Constitutional?
... And which parts are treasonous and Nazi-Regime Law?

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If the spending bill were full of good ideas, it would still be immoral to rob (tax), no matter how the loot is used. Property rights are not erased or less relevant when violated by majority vote or approval.
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UPSC की OFFICIAL Webside से आप पूरी जानकारी ले सकते हैं !
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