Karla Vermeulen: Inside the Mind of 'Generation Disaster'
Young people who came of age after 9/11 aren't snowflakes despite being exposed to a series of catastrophic events and apocalyptic news narratives.

What are the long-term psychological effects of growing up in a world where the 9/11 attacks and school shootings drastically restructured your childhood around overblown fears of random violence, where the Great Recession wiped out your parents' savings and the historically slow economic recovery hampered your job prospects for a decade, and where you were reminded every single day that the world only has a few years left before climate change makes the planet uninhabitable? And on top of all that, add increasingly intense political polarization, racial reckonings, and Covid-19?
Meet "Generation Disaster," the subject of a fascinating new book by State University of New York psychologist Karla Vermeulen. Subtitled Coming of Age Post 9/11, Generation Disaster is built around a massive national survey of people born between 1990 and 2001. Vermeulen looks at the cumulative impact of being raised in a relentlessly apocalyptic social and political environment, the role that Boomer and Gen X parents and authorities play in stoking anxiety, and how new forms of technology and media have influenced the worldviews of Millennials and Gen Z members roughly between the ages of 20 and 30.
In an era of mounting generational hostility, Karla Vermeulen is an essential mediator between older and younger Americans and her book, Generation Disaster, is a rich, empathetic portrait of a group too often simply—and wrongly—dismissed as weak, lazy, and entitled.
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is built around a massive national survey of people born between 1990 and 2001.
I wonder if there might be a disparity between stated preferences and revealed preferences.
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Vermeulen looks at the cumulative impact of being raised in a relentlessly apocalyptic social and political environment
Right up there with Vietnam, the Cuban Missile Crisis, the threat of WW3 in Europe and global thermonuclear war. The apocalypse is always there. It just takes different forms.
Well, one is not always like the other. The threat of Thermonuclear war (esp. during the Cuban Missile Crisis) was much more real than a 1.2 degree warming over the next 100 years, even though the latter is often treated like the former.
Yeah, yeah, I know, "HOW DARE YOU!"
The threat of Thermonuclear war (esp. during the Cuban Missile Crisis) was much more real than a 1.2 degree warming over the next 100 years
Yeah - not only was there no question about whether or not it was possible, it might also just suddenly happen at any moment with essentially no warning. And of course, the big fear that got drummed into us was that you might survive.
Exactly. If you're lucky, you'll be one of those shadows on a plaster wall like so much Hiroshima. If you're not lucky, you'll be slowly dying of radiation sickness while freezing to death from nuclear winter.
Yup. I watched The Day After as a 1st grader and was up all night crying. My step dad heard me and poked his head in, and asked what was up. After I told him, he walked me over to my bedroom window. "See those lights on top of that mountain? That's Cheyenne Mountain. Underneath it is NORAD. If a nuclear war starts, your worries will be short lived."
I lived carefree after that. It was great.
Charbroiled WOPR.
Excellent.
Bow down, and braise.
Truly a King at work.
I mean we had 2 world wars under trump that were sudden.
Yeah, we were taught to "duck and cover" (and pray) under our desks. Because a Soviet ICBM would reach our rural midwestern city in 20 minutes, since it was near a minor Air National Guard base. Totally not as stress-inducing as the Earth getting 2 degrees warmer in 12 years and the sea level rising a foot or so in the next century.
I lived near an ABM site.
The Day After freaked the whole school.
I still vividly remember many, many scenes from that movie. We were assigned it as homework.
Yes, but Threads was much better.
Well you just identified when you went to school.
So what, screetch? Many of us were around for that stuff. What kids are afraid of today (terrorism, school shootings, global warming) is just media stoked fear because that dopamine hit is precious to their bottom line.
Thermonuclear war was a real if remote possibility. Getting sent to Vietnam and dying wasn't so remote. Even if the kids today aren't snowflakes they sure act like it online. You are the perfect example.
Forgot covid.
Agreed I missed that, and it needs to be said.
When did you go to school sarcasmic. I'm pretty sure that you're a boomer, so I'm curious.
Don’t feed that creep with attention.
Actually, it was a little bit after the "duck and cover" days. But we still had to take Civil Defense training and learn about fallout shelters (along with the first aid stuff). And my older brothers were worried about getting drafted for Vietnam.
I was about halfway between El Toro Marine Base and Tustin Air Station, so the attitude around my parts was "we may see a blinding light, but that will be the last thing we experience."
Like the cartoon of two guys on a putting, with a city under a mushroom cloud on the horizon.
Caption:
"Go ahead and putt, it'll be a couple minutes before the shock wave gets here".
When I was in school we used to have monthly tornado drills, even in the winter. The drills stopped when I was in 3rd grade (around 1991) it was only years later as an adult that I realized they were never tornado drills
Amazon rain forests, ozone layer, endangered species, Ethiopia, punk rock...
The AIDS crisis, Janet Reno...
We had the looming nuclear holocaust, failed Asian war, assassination's, riots and drug-crazed hippies when I was little.
Energy crisis, left wing bombers, Tupac's Aunt killing cops...
Jimmy Carter poisoned the nation's weed supply with paraquat right about the time I started smoking it
I was a freshman in college when the AIDS hit. Interest rates were running 20% 'cause of all the inflation and we just elected a senile has-been movie star who inspired at least one song from nearly every 2nd wave punk band.
The the Berlin Wall fell, the Soviet Union dissolved and everything was smooth sailing for a decade so long as you weren't an Iraqi conscript, a white separatist family in Idaho, a Branch Davidian, a federal employee in in Oklahoma, a Chinese diplomat in Belgrade or an aspirin factory in the Sudan.
White bubba security guards that plant bombs at sporting events so they can be a hero when “discovering” it.
Richard Jewell didn't do it. Eric Rudolph did.
An Uncle of mine, in the days immediately after 9/11, said: "We'll never find Bin Laden! They can't even find Rudolph!"
My Aunt, no doubt woozy from pain killers after one of several back surgeries, said: " You mean they're looking for Rudolph, The Red-Nosed Reindeer?" 🙂
Sounds like a Billy Joel song. We didn't start the fire, it was due to climate change.
Global Cooling, recreational sand holes.
Wash that sand out of your recreational hole.
There was a really good article in National Review this week (yes, that rag does produce a few scraps of decent writing from time to time): https://www.nationalreview.com/the-tuesday/the-lessons-of-the-assassins/
The passage that resonated most with me was thus:
When Andy Warhol got on the wrong side of angry feminists, he didn’t get canceled — he got shot. And if we don’t remember that all that well, it’s because Bobby Kennedy and the Reverend Martin Luther King Jr. got shot the same year, and Warhol lived.
If modern day seems relentlessly apocalyptic it's not because of actual apocalypses but rather something very artificial. People today are far more scared of far less.
I think Billy Joel wrote a song about this.
Yup. My ex wife took that form.
of all the peeps I know born this century none has complained of any of the traumatic examples in the first paragraph as reasons for their anxiety medication
Stated preferences vs revealed preferences. Let's look at the rise of... *cough* "service animals" in the current generation.
Couldn't that be caused by any number of factors besides news coverage of school shootings and Islamic terrorist attacks?
Absolutely. I don't disagree that they're NOT the subject of a catastrophizing public sphere. Greta Thunberg didn't pop out of a mysterious clamshell, she was groomed... literally groomed for the role she plays.
Dude, Service Animals is a scam to allow people to take their pet with them so they don't have to pay the neighbor to do it.
And as a frequent traveler, I've seen every age participate in that scam. Old ladies down to stupid Zoomers.
Number one reason kids are on anxiety meds are school counselors, then parents.
Back in my day they just told us to stop worrying so much. And finish cutting that firewood so we can keep the schoolhouse heated, after I had already walked uphill 3 miles in the snow to get there.
On a more serious note, I do have *some* hope about the younger generations. I'm now at the unfortunate age where there seems to be more people younger than me than older. And from my perception, most (not all but most) of the people pushing back against things like CRT and the miasma of wokeness are... younger people. And in my estimation, the people that pushed CRT and wokeness, safe spaces etc. are, in many cases horrible boomers who spent most of their lives in academic pursuits.
I know this is horrible generalization, but I have found that the 20 - 30 year olds from college are horrible purveyors of the CRT, snowflake bullshit. When the Floyd riots started, one of them interrupted an all hands asking if we could all take the day off because of the distress. The HR person is always telling us how the millennials want to feel meaning in their work, which is why we have to volunteer constantly at the office.
On 1/6 one of the managers in my peer group declared that all deployments needed to stop because "no one was in their right mind to release code right now."
I see a lot of boomers tolerating and enabling that bullshit, but the actual temper tantrums come from the millennials.
A twenty-something proposing a day off work might not be revealing the actual reason for the proposal though.
^this” + 1000.
Yes, boomers and Xers (my generation) who couldn’t find meaning on their own life so decided to make everyone else as miserable as they are.
The kids today at least don't worship the military and IC like they did way back when. Vietnam killed that for my generation, and Iraq/Afghanistan did for Millennials and Gen Z. Nobody will trust the feds to get it right now after all their fuck ups over the last several decades.
It is not surprising that Nixon was a Keynesian, that GWB is siding with the RINOs, that Cheney is a turncoat. We were lead astray by some bad mofos in the deep state GOP and when they were outed they ran like little puppies to their leftie masters.
A few trillion dollars can be thrown at any disaster. We pissed away $3 trillion in the Iraq War debacle.
For the record - I am 100% opposed to the $3.5 trillion "human infrastructure" bill just like I was AGAINST the 2020 Trump Welfare and Handout CARES Act.
I am consistent, Peanuts.
>>We pissed away $3 trillion in the Iraq War debacle.
B's working on the equivalent w/one autograph and isn't even at war lol
You know alot about traumatizing minors don't you?
"Kill em' until you can breed em'", is Shrike's motto.
Consistent as diarrhea. Fucking libtard.
Go back to Bratfart with your retro-fascist brethren.
But buckleup's not a Democrat, Shrike.
No I am not.
Degeneration D
My Generation: Generation Dos Equis!
Represent
All I expect of those kids is that enough get real jobs to keep the social security scam going until I kick off.
That means you will be voting for a tax hike to "get yours".
You will certainly be voting for a tax hike, Biden cock sucker.
Study: COVID-19 is Killing Off Likely Republican Voters At a Faster Rate Than Realized
Leonhardt continues, “Since Delta began circulating widely in the U.S., COVID has exacted a horrific death toll on red America: In counties where Donald Trump received at least 70 percent of the vote, the virus has killed about 47 out of every 100,000 people since the end of June, according to Charles Gaba, a health care analyst. In counties where Trump won less than 32 percent of the vote, the number is about 10 out of 100,000.”
https://hillreporter.com/study-covid-19-is-killing-off-likely-republican-voters-at-a-faster-rate-than-realized-113881
Stupid hicks hardest hit.
You seem upset today. Blood stain on your clown suit isn’t coming out?
You seem upset today.
No, if anything he seems pleased Americans are dying.
Stoopid demo craps theys the wurst rawr.
The virus predominantly kills old people, and old people are smart enough to vote Republican. How is that a surprise? Old Republicans are also smart enough to get vaccinated.
The lowest vaccination rates, on the other hand, are among blacks and Hispanics, but they are young enough so that the virus doesn't affect them.
So what exactly are you trying to get at, SPB2?
Anniversaries are the perfect time to remember why we are there. Remember why we keep trying, why we care so much and why we want to keep doing it. It's finding your reflection in the eyes of the person you love and realizing the smile in your face.
It is a moment to look back on time and see the road traveled with all the willingness to keep walking that same stretch, to keep walking by their side.
https://www.ozalm.com/2021/09/anniversary-wishes-for-girlfriend.html
Indeed not. Instead, they are destitute and hopeless and indoctrinated since birth, which has turned them into socialist revolutionaries and brownshirts.
What are the long-term psychological effects of growing up in a world where 9/11 attacks and school traits drastically restructured your childhood around exaggerated fears of random violence, where the Great Recession ended the your parents ’savings and historically slow economic recovery have hampered your job prospects for a decade, and where did they remind you every day that the world only had a few years left before climate change made the planet uninhabitable? And on top of all that, do you add an increasingly intense political polarization, racial considerations, and the Covid-19?
Meet “Generation Disaster,” the subject of a fascinating new book by psychologist Karla Vermeulen of New York State University. Subtitle Arrival of age on 9/11, Disaster generation is based on a massive national survey of people born between 1990 and 2001. Vermeulen analyzes the cumulative impact of being raised in an incessantly apocalyptic social and political environment, the role that parents and authorities of Boomer and the X Gen they play a role in fueling anxiety and how new forms of technology and media have influenced the worldviews of Millennials and Gen Z members between the ages of 20 and 30.
In an era of growing generational hostility, Karla Vermeulen is an essential mediator between older and younger Americans and her book, Disaster generation, is a rich and empathetic portrait of a group too often simply — and erroneously — rejected as weak, lazy, and entitled.
What are your prospects?
Crappy to say the least.
So, finish crying in your beer and suck it up Buttercup.
"Reason" reveals its funding sources when it conflates the impending sea level rise with other phantom boogeymen of the day.
The CO2 in the air is, unfortunately, not something imaginary or a physchological problems. It's a problem of planetary physics and thermodynamics.
As I write this there's already enough CO2 in the air to raise sea levels 70 feet. It's just a matter of traversing the latency period before global temperature reaches the new equilibrium. A 70 foot sea level rise is occurring. It won't proceed in a linear fashion. Indeed, Antarctic research teams have predicted a 10-15 foot rise over a single decade when the Thwaites glacier comes off and West Antarctic ice sheets slide into the ocean. That event will mark the formal ending of world civilization. Certainly it will bring insolvency to the US dollar and a total collapse of equity and bond markets at the minimum.
You're saying a one-foot-per year rise of sea level (which isn't going to happen, but let's just grant it) is going to be "the formal ending of world civilization?"
You don't think I can get myself one foot higher up in the course of a year?
70 feet? You're breathing something other than C02. Most of the forecasts are for a lot less than that.
Even a leftwing news site like the Guardian predicts only 20 feet, over the next 2,000 years:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/commentisfree/2021/apr/13/sea-level-rise-climate-emergency-harold-wanless
And even if that were a real threat, it would happen over centuries, leaving humanity plenty of time to adapt.
Sea levels only rose a few hundred feet (120 meters in 13,000 years) at the end of the last ice age, when the continental glaciers melted. That was about 1 meter per century (10 cm a year, wow, that's almost 4 inches.) And there's way less ice left to melt now.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101201120605.htm
oops, 1 meter per century is 1 cm per year.
Stopping this is a simple matter of throwing so much debris and smoke into the air to block heat giving sunlight from the atmosphere.
My Mom grew up during the Depression, WWII, HUAC, the early part of the Cold War, etc. and she is way more optimistic than I am. She has a sense that no matter how bad things get it will all turn out in the end.
I grew up with Vietnam, Watergate, recession, gas shortages, The Cold War, threat of nuclear annihilation, divorced parents when I was 9 leading to me taking a two hour train ride by myself round trip every other weekend to see my Dad, heavy drug use, androgyny, no one there when I got home from school, no cell phone if you got into a dangerous situation, etc.
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