'It Became Normal, It Became Hot, to Be Alternative' — Reason 50th Anniversary: Podcast
Nick Gillespie talks about the end of the cultural mainstream, the rise of DIY everything, and the quaint, unacknowledged power of $6 DVD players.
Reason magazine was founded 50 years ago, in 1968, by Lanny Friedlander (1947-2011), who was then a student at Boston University. As part of Reason's ongoing 50th anniversary celebration, I've been interviewing past editors of the print magazine for the Reason Podcast. Previous episodes include conversations with Robert W. Poole, Marty Zupan, Virginia Postrel, Matt Welch, and Katherine Mangu-Ward.
A few weeks ago, it was my turn to be interviewed about my time at the top of the mast. I joined the staff in 1993 as an assistant editor and served as editor in chief of the magazine and website from 2000 to 2008. Then I became editor in chief of Reason.com and Reason TV, a dual position I held until earlier this year, when I became an editor at large.
Katherine Mangu-Ward conducted the wide-ranging interview at the center of today's episode. She zeroed in on a 1999 cover story of mine, "All Culture, All the Time," as illuminating many of the themes that Reason would explore under my stewardship. The story celebrated what I called "cultural proliferation" and the breakdown of single standards of greatness, quality, seriousness, legitimacy, you name it. Just as the economic sector had been deregulated and liberalized in key ways during the 1970s, '80s, and '90s, the cultural sphere of our lives was finally deregulated. Let a 1,000 websites bloom! I likened what was happening at the turn of the century to the breakdown of state religion in 17th-century England.
From today's podcast:
Religious freedom didn't mean that people gave up on standards or religion didn't matter anymore or anything like that. It meant that people could finally express themselves and create the worlds that they wanted to live in. They could debate and argue and mongrelize and hybridize things. I think that's a really powerful way to look at the world that we're in now. The other [main point in the story comes from] James Buchanan, the recently vilified libertarian economist who helped to create "public choice" economics and won a Nobel Prize for doing so. He talked about Albert Hirschman's ideas of "exit, voice, and loyalty." He used to stress in a lot of his work that when people can exit systems, it's a good thing. That's basically what I think cultural proliferation [does]. It allows people cultural exit. It didn't mean they didn't want culture. It just meant they got to embrace their own culture and their own morality and things like that. It's an incredibly liberating and better world because of that.
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All I want to know is, when Nick became editor-at-large, what title was The Jacket given? Does Nick answer to The Jacket or does The Jacket answer to Nick?
It is H&R canon that Nick is just the host to The Jacket. Nick's main purpose is to find homeless people to feed to The Jacket. But he also acts as a mouthpiece, since The Jacket does not have vocal chords of its own.
Nick's main purpose is to find homeless people to feed to The Jacket.
And the Jacket prefers orphans, homeless unemployed street urchins if possible, but if not, a regular orphan will suffice...until the next feeding time.
The Jacket is a type Drakh Watcher then? Nick is only truly free to act on his own when intoxicated?
That makes a lot of sense.
Make Reason Libertarian Again is my advice.
The word you were looking for is "curmudgeon". Now get off my lawn.
Nick got fashion tips from the Haradi to be more efficient. Black is the way to go, man.
Virginia Postrel's tramp stamp of Yosemite Sam and 'Back Off!' in thug font is true Libertarianism.
I'm glad the jacket still has his finger on the pulse of cool.
Why did straight women write gay fiction featuring Star Trek characters? You mean straight men never watch lesbian porn?
I'm libertarian strictly due to the cultural and social aspect.
I have no idea (or interest) how markets or finances work and, frankly, I suspect most other people don't either...
"I'm libertarian strictly due to the cultural and social aspect."
WTF? What does that mean? You enjoy hanging out with dudes?
If the dudes are obsessed with making a buck or cheapin' out to the point of white trash ("Umm, instead of going to the downtown clubs we should go to Applebee's") then the answer is 'no.'
No wonder Mongo thought someone sent him a Candygram?.
Is there any hint in the podcast that would explain Shecky Dullmia?
Um, if something becomes normal, it isn't actually "alternative" is it? Anyway, it didn't become normal as much as it was co-opted and packaged by the mainstream. It took a massive bender by Hunter S. Thompson for the hippies to figure out it when it happened to them. Pity that Gen X still can't grasp what happened.
Sorry to break it to you, Nick, but it's not that "it became normal to be alternative", it's that Reason abandoned libertarianism, stopped being "alternative", and just became a moderately progressive publication.
They're still fairly decent on economic and property rights. Socially, they are either progressive or libertarian-ish with progressive qualifiers
Not really. Reason attacked Trumps budget plan to cut social programs and hundreds of billions from the federal budget. John or Ken did a great discussion about it.
Reason says they are pro free market but no concrete plan to get there. Trump offers pretty much a free market to trading partners that end trade restrictions and crickets from Reason.
Reason attacks tax cuts, evidently because tax cuts and budgets must go hand in hand or neither should be done.
Reason is mostly open border so the USA has no property rights or right to defend itself from hordes of socialist immigrants.
I am sure other people have more critiques about Reason.
For the latter half of the 20th century, American liberals were generally "decent" on economic and property rights; their infiltration by socialists and fascists is fairly new. So, my point still stands: Reason is just a moderately progresssive ("liberal") publication these days.
It became hot, it became normal, to defend Socialism...
You have no idea what it's like trying to be cool here in NYC.
Hey Katherine,
Can we get this moved to the top of the front page for a couple of days? I really that picture of me.
Nick xx
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