Silicon Valley's Ultimate Diversity Problem Is Ideological

More tech folks call themselves libertarian than anything else. So why are they afraid to speak up at work?


Last year, Google engineer James Damore wrote a memo, called "Google's Ideological Echo Chamber," that led to him getting fired by the online giant. Damore was canned partly because Google said his discussion perpetuated gender stereotypes. But the memo didn't discuss just the number, status, and compensation of female employees—it also raised questions about Google's commitment to ideological diversity.

Earlier this year, the Lincoln Network, a Bay Area group that works to bolster libertarian and conservative workers in the tech sector, published a survey on diversity and cultural norms in Silicon Valley. The results are preliminary but stunning. In the wake of the controversy over the Damore memo, for instance, about half of self-described "moderates," two-thirds of "libertarians" and 71 percent of "very conservative" respondents said they were less comfortable sharing ideological viewpoints with their colleagues.

Reason sat down with Lincoln Network co-founder Garrett Johnson to discuss his outfit's preliminary study, why it's bad to stifle ideological viewpoints in the tech world, and what it means that more survey respondents called themselves libertarian than any other term.

Interview by Nick Gillespie. Edited by Ian Keyser. Cameras by Jim Epstein and Andrew Heaton.

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  1. Because they'll be lied about, ostracized, and fired.

    1. It's kind of dumb to talk politics at work, though. Why risk pissing off the boss?

      1. Indeed. I live in MA so people are always trying to drag me into their Trump is an idiot discussions. I suspect there are a number that now think I'm a Trum supporter because I don't play along.

        And then there are the people who will follow you around haranguing you with the topic of the day. *eyeroll*

        1. Mabye a lot of this depends on what sort of company you work for. I am in IT, in NYC, but the company is financial services. There's very little political talk and what little there is, is all over the map. In my younger days I worked jobs with a lot more progs and well, yeah, they do like to talk.

          1. I'm in IT at a utility company. For the most part political neutrality is encouraged. But the people who don't care about neutrality really don't care about neutrality.

            1. What makes a man neutral? Is it lust for power, gold? Or is he simply born with a heart full of neutrality?

              1. The non-aggression principle?

                *ducks an ironically thrown chair*

                1. Writers for that show are solid gold. Thanks for the link, and to quote one of my favorite episodes: "Sir, the moronosphere is expanding..."

              2. I'm making over $7k a month working part time. I kept hearing other people tell me how much money they can make online so I decided to look into it. Well, it was all true and has totally changed my life.

                This is what I do...

              3. I'm making over $7k a month working part time. I kept hearing other people tell me how much money they can make online so I decided to look into it. Well, it was all true and has totally changed my life.

                This is what I do...

      2. Politics are forced on us by the progs: the marxist chiasma polticizes everything. So, if a company has a "diversity" office, think of the old soviet union where political officers dotted the landscape: every neighborhood, every industry. Just saying ''hello" becomes political in such a toxic environment. Most Californians are libertarian I think [left to their own devices], which is precisely why the left never leaves them alone. I don't doubt that a number of people who are largely a-political identify as Libertarian just to avoid the hideous fallout of D vs. R that has become an appalling intellectual black hole. It's hard to actually be independant anymore in CA: all the newspapers, all the TV stations, and even the comics bang the public over the head with marxist precepts year in/year out. Some people succomb, others do their best to just stay away from the pile of intellectual garbage.
        It's worth noting one of the reasons why the GOP died on governor Wilson's watch: the republicans have affirmative action to get on the ballot, so they never have to think about anything, much less fight for it. It allows them to run one campaign for primary and a completely different for the general, which turns people off. Anyone outside the big 2 have to go get signatures every cycle, which squelches debate by delaying the authentic arrival of independant candidates for public inspection.

    2. For example:

      Employee Lawsuit Reveals Google as Intolerant Race Cult

      Quotes (but read the whole article and linked complaint):
      Google engineer James Damore's class action complaint describes a creepy cult-like orthodoxy at Google, where dissent is smashed, and the color of your skin is far more important than the content of your character. Reading the complaint is a deep dive into wicked, racial groupthink, and a frightening reminder that it really can happen here. At Google, it does.
      This article cannot possibly capture all of the rancid, racialist, thuggish things going on at Google, so I'd urge you to take time to read the whole complaint. It's like reading Solzhenitsyn's travel log from Ekibastuze. It reveals nothing short of the psychologies of totalitarianism in their timeless forms. The purges. The moral relativism. The threats. The lists of enemies. The upside-down world of the wicked justifying their wickedness.

      1. Can you believe I'm applying to work for them? Crazy.

        1. From Day One, keep a journal of emails and screenshots and keep it secure for your defense.

        2. Better put on a dress and some blackface, BUCS.

          1. That didn't help before, I'm doubting it will help this time.

            1. More cleavage and a shorter hemline should do the trick.

            2. You gotta be more sassy.

        3. Hopefully not in the shithole that is the bay area.

          1. No, the jobs I've been contacted about are either in Denver, or remote (in which case I would move back to my beloved Motherland, Arizona)

      2. You can read the complaint here: Class Action Complaint against Google for Workplace Discrimination, Harassment and Retaliation

        Actual quotes from Google managers & employees:

        George Sadlier ("Sadlier"), a Director at Google, sent out a mass email condemning James' essay as "repulsive and intellectually dishonest" and promising an HR investigation into Damore ... Damore received an email from Alex Hidalgo, a Site Reliability Engineer at Google in Sadlier's organization, which stated, "You're a misogynist and a terrible person. I will keep hounding you until one of us is fired. F*** you."

        Adam Fletcher ("Fletcher"), stated in reference to conservatives, who he categorized as "hostile voices," "I will never, ever hire/transfer you onto my team. Ever. I don't care if you are perfect fit or technically excellent or whatever. I will actively not work with you, even to the point where your team or product is impacted by this decision. I'll communicate why to your manager if it comes up."

        Kim Burchett ("Burchett"), proposed creating an online companywide blacklist of political conservatives inside Google.

        Another manager, Collin Winter stated: "I keep a written blacklist of people whom I will never allow on or near my team, based on how they view and treat their coworkers. That blacklist got a little longer today."

        1. What's probably unusual here is that they are openly willing to talk about this in e-mails. Usually people just keep their blacklists on the down low in a business setting.

          1. Let's not pretend only progs do this. Go away from the coastal areas into flyover country, and you get the same treatment if you are a liberal. Or, God forbid, you tell them you are an atheist. Good luck with that promotion.

            1. Go away from the coastal areas into flyover country, and you get the same treatment if you are a liberal. Or, God forbid, you tell them you are an atheist. Good luck with that promotion.

              In all fairness, either you applied for a religious position and got dumped for being an atheist or you applied for regular position, felt the need to volunteer that you were an atheist for some reason, and got dumped because you're stupid.

              All the Godless corporations you know and love in NYC, LA, Chicago, etc., etc. don't exist in flyover country to offer poor atheists jobs there. It's a barren wasteland of Catholic Schools, Hobby Lobby's, Chic-Fil-A's, and Christian Science Reading rooms. But not the regular regular ones that sit next to 7-11s and Public Libraries in the cities and suburbs, radioactive Jesus steroid ones that cause Jews, gays, and brown people do die off from acute exposure. It really is what's holding organic farming back.

            2. I've never found that to be true, and I work in the bible belt. Unsurprisingly, non-religious organizations don't give fucks about your personal belief's unless they impact work. In fact, this is a matter of labor law in that you generally can't ask that question.

              I have never in my entire life of working in the bible belt been asked this question even once, and I have actually worked for Catholic hospitals before. They did not care that I not only wasn't Catholic, but that I'm agnostic. I also never volunteered that information, nor did the Nuns ask.

              1. What argument would they have if not for their wicked straw men?

            3. Let's not pretend only progs do this. Go away from the coastal areas into flyover country, and you get the same treatment if you are a liberal. Or, God forbid, you tell them you are an atheist. Good luck with that promotion.

              Only progs do this. Only progs can get away with this.


              1. Nope, you are completely wrong. Sorry.

              2. My family was stationed at Hill AFB, Utah for a couple of years in the mid-80s. My mother couldn't get a job as a waitress anywhere because every interviewer casually inquired as to which tabernacle she attended. When she said she wasn't Mormon, interviews concluded rather quickly, and callbacks never happened.

                My father volunteered to go to Korea for a year just to get us out of Utah.

            4. I think the psychiatric term for this is "projection".

        2. Actual quotes from Google managers & employees:

          Oddly enough, these people are all privileged white Americans.

        3. Wow, that's bad business. Ideology over technical achievements or service. The only remotely sane individual sounds like Winter, as perspective matters for team building and whatever the business... you gotta get along. Oh well... maybe the intellectual black hole developing inside Google [in search of "purity"] will bring the anti trust division at DOJ out of mothball status, and the SJW's can congratulate themselves on making the pie smaller. Google appears to be learning nothing from the Academy Awards, and the direct correlation between a shrinking audience and an industry not sticking to craft. Once upon a time, US currency had this fantastic motto: "mind your business". We should bring it back - it applies to any business, at any time.

      3. I remember that. It's really eye-opening.

  2. Well, the last time someone was asked to speak up at work and did so, the media ran a series of hit pieces on him and he lost his job.

  3. More tech folks call themselves libertarian than anything else.

    Yeah, well, if I called myself an apple I wouldn't actually be an apple.

    1. What variety of apple are you, anyway?

      1. Hihn is a Duchess of Oldenberg.

      2. I'm not an apple, but if I were going to identify as an apple I would identify as a Golden Delicious.

        1. Those are the best apples.

          1. Sorry, but Cripps Pink (trade name Pink Lady) apples are the best.

            1. You are all wrong - Fuji apples are objectively the best. 97% of scienticians, from my carefully-picked group, agree.

              1. Yes, but 71% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

                1. I seem to remember from my mathemagician classes that to get the final probabality you multiply things, so that works out to 69% of scientistatisticians agree that carefully picked Fuji apples are objectively the best.

      3. Puts me in mind of a press conference at a Super Bowl some years back and a reporter asked a player "If you were a tree, what tree would you be?" The player responded with somewhat stunned silence. I don't recall if he ever replied. Truth.

    2. Yeah, well, if I called myself an apple I wouldn't actually be an apple.

      You obviously haven't been following the transgender pronoun debate. Being an apple is just a social construct, so you can be an apple if you like!

  4. So why are they afraid to speak up at work?

    Because their conservative coworkers will hate them for their support of personal liberty, and their progressive coworkers will hate them for their support of economic liberty.

    Being a libertarian guarantees being hated by everyone who isn't a libertarian.

    1. I'm fine with being hated. It's the petty retaliation that irks me.

      1. Exactly this. If people wouldn't get outraged and demand firings, our society would be so much more civil.

        And pushing people underground is the worst way to deal with things you don't like.

      2. Petty relation became rarer ever since the day I carried a pocket knife on me.

    2. That's not true. I'm a libertarian and I have many progressive friends. The trick is to emphasize our common values. For instance I have changed the minds of some formerly Koch-skeptical leftists by pointing out that Charles and David support open borders.

      1. That's not true. I'm a libertarian and I have many progressive friends.

        You're doing it wrong.

      2. So, your Progressive friends like Americans buying products from Chinese factories? Most Progressives say "Chinese" with the same disdain in their voice that they normally reserve for discussions about "juice".

        1. Most Progressives have finally gotten the memo that it is now the Russians.

    3. Because their progressive coworkers will hate them for their support of economic liberty

      Being a libertarian or conservative guarantees that the office leftists will think you're a fascist and will try to get you fired.


  5. Earlier this year, the Lincoln Network, a Bay Area group that works to bolster libertarian and conservative workers in the tech sector,

    Why bother? If Google and Silicon Valley want to be leftist cesspools, let them. Why provide your skills to companies and coworkers who hate you anyway? There are tons of other great jobs for smart people outside Silicon Valley.

    1. They are not as elite, or as lucrative as the FANG companies.

      1. Pretty much this. You can be 'smart' and 'talented' but that won't land you a job making at least six figures a year starting out.

        1. Is making six figures worth living in an area that costs six figures?

          1. Eh, it depends. It's not unusual to hear of Google or Amazon or Facebook engineers making 250,000+ a year in salary. This is before including benefits such as stock, which can sometimes double that number.

            If you are one of the people who can make that half-million a year it becomes more doable.

            Though, in my opinion, that still means you have to live in the Bay. Which is a shit overrated area. (Sorry Sevo)

            1. The Bay area has some of the most crowded lots I have ever seen. Pay a million for a house in which you can reach out and smack your neighbor's wife on the ass during their once a month ritual through your bedroom window? No thanks.

              1. Perhaps there is some value to the Bay after all.

                1. Remember, it's the Bay Area. That ass might belong to your neighbor's "wife".

              2. A million dollars to live in a trailer park? Dang.

                You can do that for a lot less in flyover land.

          2. It depends on your value judgment, and the obvious answer in terms of what they think is 'worth it' appears to be yes as that is what they do.

            The experience they can put on their resume would also enable them to go anywhere they want after just a few years and earn the same or higher in a place with far lower cost of living, although I'm not sure how able these types are able to find the same type of work outside the bubble since the industry appears to have centralized itself.

            One might ask why software engineers are more willing than other professions to work for employers that are diametrically opposed to their worldview, but I suspect the answer is that they aren't.

            1. but I suspect the answer is that they aren't.


      2. The FANG companies aren't actually that elite or lucrative.

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    2. Remember how we're supposed to rewrite our immigration laws, because Apple will open a factory in China if they can't get enough American engineers to work at their company and live by their speech codes?

  6. For a conservative to be in tech in the larger companies it is a death wish if the conservative lets his (or her) conservative views be known. It is the same in education especially higher education such as universities. In education we have seen this in the past years where certain universities have tried to ban freedom of speech. The only freedom of speech that was allow is that what the university had approved beforehand.

    1. Same goes for a liberal or libertarian in a defense sector company. Wouldn't go near those. You have to be a hawk.

  7. More tech folks call themselves libertarian than anything else. So why are they afraid to speak up at work?

    Because in their orbit the word 'libertarian' means 'crass progressive' and they really aren't even aware of the difference. Their version of a libertarian paradise would be Orwell's 1984, if that tells you anything at all about how 'libertarian' silicon valley is.

    I will at least acknowledge, though, that the silicon valley types do believe they are 'better' than government but the reason they consider themselves 'better' is because they actually believe in more centralization and a more efficient totalitarian society. Hardly a ringing endorsement.

    1. I think it might be such a bubble, that they believe that people should be free to do what they want, but that people who are actually reasonable and well handled will only want to do the things that they themselves like to do.

      It's like the old Marxist expectation, that once one is freed from work, they will just want to do community dance projects, and have town hall discussions about how to best distribute wheat.

      1. I think intelligent people, or those who believe themselves to be intelligent, tend to believe that they know what's best for themselves and since it's best for them it's best for everyone. Because they're smart and they know. And if you don't agree it's because you're not smart and therefore must be helped to see your errors.

        1. One of the most important things a person can know, is how incredibly stupid they are. The smartest person in the world knows so embarrassingly little versus the sum of all human knowledge, let alone the sum of all that can be known.

          1. How Socratic of you. I approve.

          2. Exactly.

            Most people who promote themselves as "very intelligent" are anything but that.

          3. I once worked on a small magazine, and the fact-checker had a little sign taped up over his desk that read "What Don't I Know?"

            1. If you can't make fun of yourself, the world is a pretty demoralizing place.

        2. The trick is realizing that what's best for you might not be best for others. It should be up to each individual to decide.

          Plus another aspect of this is plain old apathy. There's something to be said for not giving a shit either way what other people are doing. Take eating, for example. I may, through my "intelligence" know that going to a fast food joint for lunch every single day is not the best thing for my body. I can also reasonably surmise it may well not be the best thing for anyone's body. But what do I care what you do? You are free to eat as you wish, so long as you don't force your dietary practices on me.

      2. Pretty much what you say, in that they assume people should be free to do whatever they specifically think people should do. It's not libertarian in the least.

      3. In my experience the people who openly identify as libertarian aren't. They are usually progressives who want to keep their money, or have a pet interest that otherwise puts them beyond the progressive pale (e.g. big game hunting.)

        Actual libertarians don't so much announce their allegiance, as they espouse libertarian principles (but never by name.)

        1. What's this imply for me, the one true libertarian of this website?

          1. To be fair, I don't think I've seen you claim to be a libertarian until now...

        2. I don't know about that, but you may be on to something. I, for one, don't generally go around identifying myself to relative strangers such as coworkers as libertarian or any other label.

          What people can pick up from me fairly quickly is that I take a very dim view of politicians in general and I seem to be extremely skeptical and even cynical when it comes to government "solutions" of any type. I suppose someone paying close attention might deduce I'm libertarian from that, but even that's not certain. I suspect few even know what the word means, or worse, they have a very distorted idea of what it means.

          1. I hate that I'm called cynical so often. I have a very positive outlook of people, and the future. Just not of those in power doing it.

          2. Well, and libertarianism ads a thematic political bias to stuff that may have nothing to do with it. Am I a cynic, pragmatist, and/or a reductionist who generally aligns politically with libertarianism or the other way around? Yes!

          3. It's easy to pick up that I'm a libertarian. The throng of gay illegal immigrants I pay below minimum wage to grow pot in my back yard gives it away. That and my hatred of women and love of terrible Scandinavian rock music.

    2. I really don't know enough (OK, any) of those types to make that generalization. I am aware that the leadership of such companies has been taken over by the hive mind, but I doubt you can say the same about the rank and file, at least not to the same degree.

  8. Why should tech workers be talking about politics at work? I keep my mouth shut about politics and talk about work.

    1. Yup. My office conversations tended to be shorter than a pissant's pecker

  9. I remember when Obama was the best candidate ever, because he won the election using social media. Now, social media is evil, because it might have helped Trump win the election.

    1. Actually, I think it is because social media let the Russians give Trump the election.
      The left would never admit Trump could use social media better than they did.

    2. Just proof that social media has fallen to fascism. The left is angry at Zuckerberg for allowing his system to work as designed - for the "wrong" people.

  10. I don't like my ideological leanings slip out at work, here in Silicon Valley. Not because I fear being fired. Not yet at least. But simply due to the inevitable ostracization.

    This is fairly new. Within the past five to ten years. Radical progressivism has taken over the valley. The critical threshold has been passed where it's acceptable to be anything but a radical progressive. No conservatives obviously, but no libertarians either. Even moderates are going to get a proper shunning. In Silicon Valley a "independent" now means "I voted for Bernie instead of Hillary".

    I'm only here because the jobs are here. Retirement will be camper trailer leaving the state as fast as it can.

    1. Pitch a tent on federal land and can bank $50k a year or more to invest, while driving a BMW (if that suits you). Also, you can retire at least a decade sooner, and given the trajectory of kalifornia, there might not be a choice. When the implosion happens, real estate not bought before the dot com crash is going to be so upside down, people will burn their houses to the ground out of disgust [rather than feed it's pitiable remainder to a lawyer via bankruptcy]. Outside of the State of Emergency/Land of Disclaimers lie unimaginable things: an electric bill that never goes over $300 a month, water bills under $50, decent houses for under $200k, vehicle registration under $100 [good for a several years] and a kaleidoscope of consumer savings where businesses don't have costs jacked by the systemic fraud machine of 'workers comp' the state allows to fester. Californians are being raped by the state, and the entire state government is in need of a RICO investigation. Begin banking with an institution that does NOT have any CA branches today - those with real estate holdings can have their chain yanked by the state [via permits/licensing or court actions], which puts your capital at risk, despite banks being largely under federal law.

  11. In my experience, a leftwing political monoculture at work is a Bay Area thing, not a tech thing. There isn't that much of it even in Seattle, let alone outside the coasts, the people who I have encounted who do try to enforce one, tech or otherwise, are disproportiately likely to have lived there, and companies HQed there tend to be worse in the same geographic areas. I'm guessing a libertarian chef or hairstylist working in the same region wouldn't fare any better being open about their beliefs.

    1. I agree. Ironically, I've also seen the radical leftist culture to be less profound at some immigrant run companies in the Bay Area. And despite some of the mouthbreathing by some of the more heavy handed Googlers, my experience is the engineers mostly want to be left alone. The save the world, cis hetero males are the devil seems to be more pronounced at places like Google, Apple and Mozilla, where they have a monoculture that is insulated from outside influences like, you know, actually having to deal with outside human being as customers.

      1. The save the world, cis hetero males are the devil seems to be more pronounced at places like Google, Apple and Mozilla, where they have a monoculture that is insulated from outside influences like, you know, actually having to deal with outside human being as customers.

        The "workplace as substitute family" culture that's prevalent in these megalithic tech companies is no accident. If your self-worth and sense of identity is tied up in your workplace rather than your family and where you came from, you're more likely to conform to the politics and ideology of your co-workers. This kind of rootlessness is actively encouraged in progressive circles in particular.

  12. It might be an aversion to howling mobs.

  13. A thought on "hostile work environment". For about 4 years I was a staff courtroom attorney for a public interest law firm. In 2012 there were several Obama supporters in the office. They were allowed to put up small posters, pictures of the candidate speaking, and so forth. Do you think anyone to their right felt comfortable about saying "well, I don't think so ...?" I give you three guesses, and the first two don't count.

  14. I think it's great Reason did this interview with Garrett about the Lincoln initiative. What they are doing is quite worthwhile if under appreciated - they have been doing this for almost five years! Full disclosure, I know one of the other founders.

    BTW, if you want to know how scummy the NYT really is, google "Republicans are wooing the wired", an article from several years ago that features Lincoln. The had a picture with all the founders, including Garrett. But black conservatives and libertarians don't exist in the NYT...

  15. Because there is no one as intolerant as a Bay Area liberal, that's why.

  16. Never shout "You're Fired!!!" in a public theater.

  17. Diversity in the Valley stops where the melanin stops. When it comes to diversity of thought, Silicon Valley is one of the world's least diverse places to work.

    If you don't believe me and you are an employee there, tell your co-workers and boss you are a conservative and voted for Donald Trump. Even you did not vote for Trump, admit you are a conservative and there goes the career.

    Diversity is skin deep, where the melanin ends, in Silicon Valley.

  18. There is a portion of leftists who are anarchists.

    Most people on the left and right think that libertarians are anarchists, equating personal freedom to no government.

    So, instead of saying you are a libertarian, tell them you are an anarchist and at least the leftist at work will accept you.

    1. There is a portion of leftists who are anarchists.

      But they aren't. They are against the current state, not against state power in general.

      Most people on the left and right think that libertarians are anarchists, equating personal freedom to no government.

      Well, and they should be disabused of that belief as well; libertarianism means freedom from government, not maximal personal freedom. Private actors are quite effective in restricting personal freedoms, and that's a good thing.

  19. I've been a hard-line Libertarian since high school, I live and work in the Silicon Valley, and I've never been shy about saying what I think about any issue. It hasn't been a problem for me when it comes to finding work, because I've made sure to keep my skills up to date.


  20. From the web site:

    For too long government and technology have operated in separate silos instead of embracing the exciting opportunities that sit at the intersection of these two powerful and influential domains. Government needs, and the people it serves deserve, new ideas and technologies to make it more efficient, effective, and responsive. As such, technologists and innovators have an important role to play in addressing our nation's most pressing problems and not avoiding the hard work to fix hard problems. When both of these worlds come together individual liberty and economic opportunity increases for all Americans.

    This sounds like progressives masquerading as libertarians. Libertarians don't want government to be "more efficient, effective, and responsive", libertarians want government to be smaller.

    1. "Efficiency" arguments are almost exclusively republican, and indicate the desire to preserve current mega-state structures and just toying with the edges. Kind of like... redecorating the Titanic, when somebody reports an iceberg.

      1. "Efficiency" arguments are almost exclusively republican

        Absolutely not. A lot of progressive argumentation is based on efficiency. Viz the healthcare debate, where progressives argue that "removing profits makes healthcare more efficient". Or education, where progressives argue that "public education is an investment in our future and will reap future financial rewards". Or immigration, where progressives argue that "open borders bring in new talent and young workers that will help finance the welfare state".

        Republicans sometimes use efficiency arguments to argue that privatization is more efficient than government-run programs, but such arguments are intended (1) to appeal to progressives and (2) to argue against government expansion. This guy, on the other hand, argues that we should make government programs more efficient, which is neither a Republican, nor a conservative, nor a libertarian position.

    2. "...more efficient, effective and responsive" government? One must naively presuppose a government for which efficiency, effectiveness and responsiveness are goals, then. And I don't think that's what we have.

      Would such a government undertake money-wasting, patronage-laden light rail projects like our current one does? Would such a government have undertaken a "War on Poverty"? Will "technologists and innovators" make a "War on Drugs" more efficient, effective and responsive?

      So that's a pipe dream.

  21. If I recall correctly, the argument should be something like this "If it's that bad, it'll obviously hurt their productivity/profitability, and then the 'free market' will handle it".

    With the implicit assumption that if it's still a productive/profitable business, then all sins are forgiven.

    Or to put it another way... y'all complain a lot when it's folks you identify with that feel pressured, but hand-wave away concerns when it's folks you identify with that are applying the pressure.

  22. A business should be a meritocracy, and for most businesses the twin metrics of merit are how good you are at what you are hired to do and how disruptive you are to other people doing their job. If that results in a corporate monoculture, I don't see that as a problem.

    Google's mistake is in coming to believe their marketing hype of a carefully selected diversity somehow resulting in a better product.

  23. Saya setuju. Ironisnya, saya juga melihat budaya kiri radikal menjadi kurang mendalam di beberapa perusahaan imigran yang dijalankan di Bay Area. Dan meskipun ada beberapa godaan oleh beberapa karyawan Google yang lebih berat, pengalaman saya adalah sebagian besar insinyur ingin dibiarkan sendirian. Menyelamatkan dunia, cis hetero laki-laki adalah iblis tampaknya lebih menonjol di tempat-tempat seperti Google, Apple dan Mozilla, di mana mereka memiliki monokultur yang terisolasi dari pengaruh luar seperti, Anda tahu, sebenarnya harus berurusan dengan manusia luar sebagai pelanggan.

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