Texas Is a Model for a More-Libertarian, More-Diverse America: Avik Roy

Foundation for Research on Equal Opportunity co-founder discusses diversity and free markets in the Trump Era.

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"In Texas, the Mexicans have always been there…. There's not this sense that Mexicans are foreigners," says Avik Roy, Forbes opinion editor and the co-founder and president of the Foundation for Research on Equal Opportunity (FREOPP).

Roy believes Texas, a majority-minority state, offers a good counter-example for libertarians and conservatives anxious about immigrants and non-Europeans changing American political culture. The Lone Star State is not only doing very well economically, says Roy, there's a sense of inclusion that doesn't exist in many other states.

"It's not just a free state in the sense of policy, but there really is a sense that everyone feels, whether Anglo or Latino, that freedom has made their lives better," Roy tells Reason's Nick Gillespie. "This indigenous thing called Tex-Mex has been around for a very long time. It's simply not treating the others as if they were others…that attitude makes a huge difference."

According to Roy, who has advised politicians such as Rick Perry and Marco Rubio, one of the goals of the Foundation for Research on Equal Opportunity is to challenge the conservative view that holds racial and ethnic minority groups can only be appeased through more statism and redistribution and should thus be written off when it comes to building political and economic coalitions.

"Free markets have lifted more people out of poverty than anything that has been invented by man," says Roy, "We don't usually talk about free markets in that way."

Edited by Mark McDaniel. Cameras by Austin Bragg and Meredith Bragg. Music by Simon Mathewson.

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  1. “It’s not just a free state in the sense of policy, but there really is a sense that everyone feels, whether Anglo or Latino, that freedom has made their lives better,” Roy tells Reason’s Nick Gillespie. “This indigenous thing called Tex-Mex has been around for a very long time. It’s simply not treating the others as if they were others…that attitude makes a huge difference.”

    — And as it happens this kind of all jives with the crazy stuff Jeff Berwick on Anarchast has been saying all along about Mexico actually is actually way freer in most ways than the US.

    1. It is freer, until you or your daughter gets kidnapped by one of the cartels.

    2. Cato’s most recent freedom index report ranks Mexico 77th out of 159, almost exactly in the middle of the global pack.

      So not the worst place in the world by any stretch, but still way below the U.S., which while tragically sinking they still put at 23rd out of 159.

    3. Or you get pulled over by the Mexican Federales and you have ammunition (not even a gun) in your truck.

    4. “Mexico actually is actually way freer in most ways than the US.”

      This is one of the bizarrely stupid things libertarians will say. Samolia is “actually way freer in most ways than the US”, also. Being “free” doesn’t just mean freedom from government agencies and bureaucrats. It means having actually more freedom, i.e., greater choice to do things. The US far exceeds pretty much all countries in these areas. The “freedoms” you think Mexicans have limit their choices and overall freedoms, since much of what they are “free” from is the protection of rights that Americans get from our government.

      1. To be honest I think he may have been making a bit of an overstatement to say the least when he said that. This was during a discussion of govt and the police state and how easy it is to get arrested up here for things the police down there wont even waste their time on. I live in rural Idaho way out past what many would consider to be BFE. Out here I feel much freer than I do when I go into town. There are tons of negatives to living way out here, – less easily available employment opportunities,shopping etc.., there is the problem of small town attitudes and gossip and other bullshit that drives some people crazy. That last one doesn’t really bother me or anyone else that understands how things work and doesn’t give a fuck about any of that for the most part. There are perhaps 3 sheriffs deputies, at most, that work this end of the county. I know all of them fairly well and rarely see any of them or worry about them hassling me over the kinds of stuff that BS that I would in other places. All that being said however the fact is that most of my freedom is a result of my location and not any surplus of freedom or lack of bad laws that COULD be used by the wrong type of person. This is particularly true when you factor in all the unaccountable, un-electable and un-firable Federal agencies and regulators that are around.

  2. Well “FIRST” block-quoted and previewed. And somehow I still actually actually managed to fuck it up in a pedantically small way.

    1. I wasn’t going to notice, actually.

  3. In the great blue West known as California, if you even mention Texas, people spit on the ground and badmouth it six ways to Sunday. Worse, if you persist in trying to open their minds even one small bit – I have family there, I’ve visited, it isn’t anything like we love to stereotype – they will go on the attack.

    Reminds me of all the people I know, originally from the south, we see themselves as being here only temporarily. They have dreams of of returning to Louisiana, Mississippi or Arkansas. Nothing gets their hackles up like smug Californians bad mouthing the South as some sort of racist wasteland not worthy of further consideration.

    1. Then why do Calis keep moving here? Seriously we need a wall to the west, not the south.

      1. 8.6% change in the voting trends to the Democratic side in the general.

        Wall around Tejas would be nice. We’ll pay for it.

    2. “to challenge the conservative view that holds racial and ethnic minority groups can only be appeased through more statism and redistribution and should thus be written off when it comes to building political and economic coalitions”

      I don’t find anything conservative about buying off voters. Which explains the RINOs who all seem to feel this way, because they aren’t conservative. As anyone who’s examined how they vote, as opposed to their rhetoric, knows.

  4. This is kinda BS. Texas has plenty of examples of the tyranny of the majority. Somehow “libertarian” views & policies don’t apply when we’re talking about oil revenues and local communities having a say (see HB 40).

    1. It is true that Texas govt sucks wrt weed and poker.

      But no income tax.

      1. But a fat property tax that will take your home if you are unemployed.

    2. Well, yes and no. Is it libertarian to institute a 100% ban on a particular type of land use, thereby removing the property rights already granted to a landowner? That is what HB 40 did. Note that the cities can still pass reasonable regulatory stipulations – the ban is off the table, though.

      1. To be clear HB 40 prevented such a ban.

    3. WTF?!? HB 40 protected property rights from the tyranny of the majority (at the local level). Local control isn’t libertarian in and of itself.

    4. I assume you will also be bitching if/when the legislature passes a ban on interference by local government assholes in Uber/Lyft/ride share businesses.

    5. Possibly, but is it the Hispanic communities who are doing it?
      Nope, it’s white people who are the statists in those cases. So much for the idea that Latinos are going to corrupt America with their big government ways.

        1. Fuck the idea that white people are inherently more libertarian than brown people and black people.

          1. Yeah, that’s a Hate Fact backed up by Hate Statistics. It’s sickening and needs to end. Everyone deserves to live in a world of wishful thinking!

          2. Yeah, don’t let the fact that all libertarians are white males get in the way of diversity in our movement.

            1. We definitely wouldn’t want to make any non-whites or non-males feel welcome. So I support your strategy of telling brown people and black people that they are evil socialists who shouldn’t be entitled to vote or hold jobs.

              1. Is your sarcometer broken today, Hazel, or are you just using reverse sarcasology on me?

                1. I’m not sure. Maybe we are reverse sarcologizing eachother.

  5. Or, for that matter, when it comes to State regulations on abortion facilities designed to restrict access.

  6. Fair enough, as it pertains to a business-friendly environment. On the other hand, there are the social issues. Speaking as a pro-choice non-Christian who supports the rights of LGBTs (and who doesn’t see any sense in funerals for fetuses): what does the Lone Star State intend to do to make *me* feel welcome…

    1. Texas is probably not at all what you think. Pro choice or not, I’m sure you understand why Kermit Gosnell was a catalyst for improving over sight, and while I think your concern about availability is less necessary in a world of day after pills and abortion drugs, the Supeme Court wants the restrictions lessened here anyway. So let’s call that a push.
      As far as your other points, there is a large, vibrant LGBT population in Texas that seems to find it welcoming. They might be too Christian for you – one of the largest churches any where is Cathedral of Hope in DFW; it has 2000+ members and 90% are LGBT. “…the perfect mix of secularity and religiosity.”

      Ever been to Austin? While it is the state capital, we only have legislators meet every two years (it’s the ultimate libertarian dream, versus the CA nightmare). Outside of sessions, it is “Keep Austin Weird”, driven by UT, the tech community, music, and all the people moving here from Cali.

      Honestly, you can’t find a place here, you probably really aren’t trying…

      1. “As far as your other points, there is a large, vibrant LGBT population in Texas that seems to find it welcoming.”
        From some quick googling, it looks like 3.3% of Texas is LGBT of some flavor, compared to 3.8% for the nation overall.
        From the 2016 presidential election, it looks like 3.4% of (voting) California is Libertarian of some flavor, compared to 3.28% overall.

        So if that’s your barometer for “welcoming”, then California is more “welcoming” to Libertarians/libertarians then Texas is to LGBT folks.

        That said, humans have demonstrated over the millennia that they are quite capable of “finding a place” even in places that are openly hostile to them. So if that’s your standard, it’s a really really low one.

        1. I’m not going to pretend that our politicians are not hostile of LGBT, but now that SCOTUS has dealt with gay marriage, what exactly is there left for LGBT libertarians to fight for in Texas (other than the same stuff that affects us all)?

          It’s also absurd to say that a place like Houston, who elected a lesbian mayor to three terms, is openly hostile to LGBT.

          1. Oh you just wait – you think it ends with pizzas and wedding cakes. Until there is gay marriage performed in Catholic Churches at the point of a gun, administered by a lesbian priest, there will be no end to the fight.

            1. an end to the fight ? heh

          2. what exactly is there left for LGBT libertarians to fight for in Texas

            I suspect both of you have a lot of infighting in you future, unless you plan to go along with expansions of identity group privileges.

        2. Well, I was answering Jim, but can take a crack at the libertarian comparison.
          Texas has:
          – deregulated and cheap power ( nights and weekends free!)
          – large amounts of both green and nuclear energy
          – a higher HS graduation rate than California
          – low unemployment that offers a broad range of job types
          – largely peaceful protests; even after the shooting in Dallas, BLM was able to protest AND received police protection again, no issues
          – My LGBT family members tell me it’s saner here; too much internecine fighting in community on both coasts
          Just spent two+ years in the Bay area, I’d say CA has:
          – Silicon Valley and the VCs, which can’t be duplicated (but issues WRT big tech companies restraining movement of talent, abusing H1- B)
          – outright class warfare in SF right now over costs
          – fewer issues with property taxes, more issues with state and local debt
          – rioting, and abuse of African American officers by rioters, which to my surprise was actually documented well by local media
          – really crazy NIMBY and taxes
          – a diverse immigrant tech population (but not enough cricket pitches)
          – lack of jobs outside of tech centers; Neel Kashkari’s search for a job in the Central Valley 2 years was eye opening

          If your statistical comparison is projecting something about the LGBT community, well project away…I’m giving you a perspective of people I’ve known, family and otherwise, for 30 years. It can be better, but it isn’t exactly a hostile environment.

    2. Re: Gojira,

      […] what does the Lone Star State intend to do to make *me* feel welcome [?]

      Well, maybe welcome you to Houston?

      1. I think you have me confused with somebody else ; )

    3. There’s always Austin.

      1. There’s always Austin.

        I hear that < a href = "https://youtu.be/bb1DTsxBOfE?t=5"> Austin is worth it.

    4. Your not welcome, that’s why there’s other states.

    5. Move to Houston where the last mayor was a lesbian?

      No one is suggesting you move to Waco.

  7. Yes, prevent Tesla from being sold via legislation so that the fossil-fuel guzzlers can keep their gubmint enforced stranglehold on the automobile industry.

    http://bit.ly/2hnkuA6

    Next up: the right size of the webcam to be placed inside a uterus.

    “Free minds and free markets.” LOL

    1. While I don’t disagree with your rage at the state mandating how cars are sold, I am curious as to why you think Tesla’s aren’t fossll fueled.

      Most of them are ultimately powered by coal.

      1. Maybe Marconi’s parents didn’t play peek-a-boo with him when he was a toddler and therefore he didn’t learn the concept that just because you can’t see a thing doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist…

    2. While this is no defense of Texas, the reason Tesla can’t sell its own cars has little to do with how their cars are powered and is mostly about Tesla refusing to play ball with the dealers’ cartel.

      1. Unfortunately, the dealers’ cartel is encoded in law. Same with the alcohol distributors’ cartel – massive cronyism that needs to die.

      2. Tesla worked it out.

        http://www.bizjournals.com/hou…..uston.html

  8. Is this guy a cuck? Is Texas the Lone Cuck State? I don’t really have a handle on that term and its connotations yet.

    1. SIV uses it a lot, so i assume it has something to do with roosters.

  9. I’ve lived here for close to two decades, I still hear plenty of conservatives grumble about Mexicans as being poor foreigners who will bring their 3rd world problems. I’m not sure where this magical rainbow land of inclusion idea is coming from.

    It is true, however, that the hispanic population here does not vote lock-step dem. If they did, Texas would be blue. So it still provides a useful counter-example to the idea that Mexicans must = democrat votes.

    1. Hispanic is such an all encompassing term as to be rendered meaningless. Why should the guy whose family lived in Texas back when Sam Houston was in diapers vote the same way as the illiterate day laborer who just crossed the Rio Grande five minutes ago?

      And while plenty of conservatives complain about immigrants coming to Texas and voting for the same policies that screwed up the places they came from, they also have the same attitudes towards Californians moving to Texas.

  10. I’m a little skeptical of diversity for diversity’s sake. I just think that depriving the economy of anybody’s talents because of their race, creed, color, sex, national origin, orientation, etc. is an incredibly stupid thing to do.

    1. I don’t have a problem with diversity. But it’s something that needs to just happen, not to be mandated or even intentionally drive by government. When you start trying to force things like that, it tends to cause tensions and unintended consequences.

      1. ^^This. I might add that probably the biggest thing that the government can do to see more integrated places would be to stop inflating asset prices through currency printing jiggery-pokery…

    2. I think depriving someone of the right to pursue happiness because of their race, creed, color, sex, national origin, orientation, etc, is an incredibly evil thing to do.

      1. That is right Hazel. Just imagine if Germany had denied that refugee his right to pursue the Jihad by driving through the Christmas market yesterday.

        1. Working without permission from the government is JUST LIKE driving a car into a crowd of people.

          1. No Hazel, letting anyone who wants to come into your country causes some people you don’t want to be there to come.

            1. Sorry, I didn’t realize that keeping out Islamic terrorists required keeping Mexicans from getting jobs.

              1. it doesn’t. But it does require keeping Muslims out.

                1. Oh, so THAT’s why we need a wall on the border with Mexico!!

        2. That’s kind of an odd non sequitur

      2. I think depriving someone of the right to pursue happiness because of their race, creed, color, sex, national origin, orientation, etc, is an incredibly evil thing to do.

        I don’t think “pursuit of happiness” means what you think it means.

        1. Hey, some people’s happiness is determined by sticking it to the White Patriarchy, and it’s incredibly evil to deprive them of it.

        2. Really? What part of engaging in the voluntary exchange of labor for money is not included in the right to pursue happiness?

          1. Dunno, right to say “No”? Right to exchange for less than government standard? Right to exchange with people under the age of 18? Right to end the exchange the moment it’s no longer beneficial to you? Right to exchange with people who don’t belong to a particular organization?
            Anarchotopia ain’t here, so it’s just a matter of whose ox is getting gored, and I don’t see why yours is the most precious one.

            1. I hate to point this out, but if you don’t have the right to say “no”, then it’s not “voluntary”.

              And a society that’s founded on whose ox gets gored is what’s wrong with identity politics.
              Rights are either universal or they don’t exist. The right to pursue happiness is not a principle that’s about freedom if it only applies to a limited class of approved people.

              1. I hate to point this out, but if you don’t have the right to say “no”, then it’s not “voluntary”.

                Interesting coming from the defender of “public accommodation”.

                1. Rights are either universal or they don’t exist.

                  Rights are concepts, not physical objects and as such they exist only by common agreement.
                  Any existence of a right is purely based on your ability to exercise it, which is dependent on your ability to persuade others (or, on your relative power level vs them – you can exercise your rights at the point of a gun). You can declare anything you want a “right” but your axioms are not in fact truths of the universe.

                  1. @Pan Zagloba

                    The normative project that is libertarianism is an attempt to derive a set of rights which can be applied universally. It is not a project that is about giving rights to yourself and your favored group at the expense of others. If you think the right to pursue happiness is something that only “Americans” have, then you’re not really a libertarian.

                    1. The normative project that is libertarianism is an attempt to derive a set of rights which can be applied universally. It is not a project that is about giving rights to yourself and your favored group at the expense of others. If you think the right to pursue happiness is something that only “Americans” have, then you’re not really a libertarian.

                      Since I live in Canada, I know that “right to pursue happiness” is something only Americans claim, have ever claimed and will ever claim. That sentence will get you a sneer and a comment on your stupidity or naivete anywhere else in the world.
                      To put it bluntly, universal rights are worth dick-all to me if I want to purchase an M1911 or a Garand. And the “normative project to derive a set of rights which can be applied universally” sounds like a shitty religion or something second year philosophy student dreamed up.

                    2. So basically you’re saying that all you car about is your right to own guns. Fuck everyone else.
                      You’re not a libertarian. Just say so.

                    3. Not a prog, so “caring” is not how I signal. I’m saying that rights are worth shit unless you can exercise them.
                      Solzhenitsyn had the right of free speech. Did not keep him from Gulag. Understand? Whine and pout, your universal rights are meaningless construct. And your credo is not mine, and means nothing.

                      Also, not an anarchist, so probably not a libertarian, so what? Like its a label of honor up here or something?

                    4. Since I live in Canada, I know that “right to pursue happiness” is something only Americans claim, have ever claimed and will ever claim.

                      The US Declaration of Independence is not a statement that is about the rights of “Americans”, it is a statement about the universal rights of man.
                      Maybe only Americans claim that everyone has the right to pursue happiness. If so, then good for Americans. It’s probably why so many people want to come here – because America is the one country that represents the idea that everyone has the right to pursue happiness.

                2. I’m not a defender of “public accomodation”. You havn’t been around long enough to have witnessed the epic battles I have had with Tony over gay wedding cakes.
                  I do defend the strategy of not focusing on public accomodation laws as part of a political campaign. It’s not a hill I’m going to die on. There are way more important issues and it’s not worth sacrificing one’s political campaign over.
                  In other words, if forced to choose between defending the rights of gay people to get married, and defending the right of anti-gay bakers to not bake them cakes, I’m going to have to come down on the side of the gay couples. Nevermind other issues like the drug war and civil asset forfeiture. Public accomodation laws are down there around #97 on the list of priorities.

                  1. In other words, if forced to choose between defending the rights of gay people to get married, and defending the right of anti-gay bakers to not bake them cakes, I’m going to have to come down on the side of the gay couples.

                    As I said “ox, gored” – you don’t consider rights universal, you prioritize and go for what’s important to you – and it’s OK. Just accept that your view is not always gonna be shared by everyone, and berating them for it is not a useful tactic (shit, Eddie has learned that).

                    1. No, I do consider rights universal, or they should in in a free society. A society in which some people have different rights than others is not a free society.

                      I prioritize *politically* because I don’t expect an instantaneous libertarian revolution to wipe the slate clean. We’re not going to get to Libertopia with universal mutually compatible and equally enforced individual rights overnight.

                    2. You said yourself, if forced to choose between positive right (celebrate my gay marriage) and negative right (no, I don’t want to celebrate your gay marriage), you choose positive right.
                      And in Libertopia of your dreams, you still have to choose. Either people can force someone to work for them, or not. If not, why not have that as a principle as important as “borders must be open”? Why make “fuck borders” a hill to die on instead? Because lefties want to import voters? They don’t want open borders any more than Trump does – they want to let a particular class of immigrant in because they figure, in first generation they will vote for Democrats. They know this is not true by third, so influx must continue. You’re not getting open borders so why argue the issue at all?

                    3. In the libertopia of my dreams, the state doesn’t recognize marriage at all. But as long as we’re having offcially recognized marriages that come with government sanctioned benefits attached, everyone should get to do it.

                      Also, merely having legal gay marriage doesn’t force you to celebrate it. It’s POSSIBLE for us to have legal gay marriage AND not make people bake cakes for gay weddings. But, if I HAD to choose, based on how our stupid election system gives us one vote every few years for President, I would have to prefer the candidate that picked gay marriage recognition, because, well fuck it, I just like gay people more than bigots.

      3. I think a government as an agent is morally obligated to preference its own citizens (its principals) over non-citizens.

        Beyond that, treating people as individuals is nice as a philosophical ideal, but that doesn’t always make it possible in practice, especially for centralized bodies like governments. And because it is practical and evolutionarily fit, everyone lives according to generalizations regarding xenos. Including you.

  11. Does “more diverse America” basically mean more Mexican/Hispanic?

    However, even in Texas don’t Hispanics commit a disproportionate amount of the violent crime?

  12. More important media news: There is already a new “We The Fifth” over at columnfive.biz. And it’s only Tuesday!

  13. The Texas Legislature only meets every other year (only Montana, North Dakota and Nevada do the same) which is probably a plus in keeping the state government under control.

    1. I highly suggest the US Congress adopt this policy now.

  14. Well, economic wise, I’ve been informed by well educated progs that all red states are welfare hubs and net drains on the US economy. TX being maybe the largest red state… this article must be wrong.

    1. They really are not good with maths are they? They will believe any statistic, no matter how misleading as long as it fits what they want to believe.

      1. If you just start with things like 99% of all Americans want ‘common sense’ gun control, and 97% of scientists agree… you have to come to the conclusion that they’re just full of shit, period.

        1. You can’t get 97% of any group of human beings to agree on what to have for lunch. That kind of consensus on any contentious issue is implausible on its face.

  15. I like Texas. It has a good culture and generally a decent government, though the state has some of the worst climate on earth. But to call Texas Libertarian is just bullshit. It is an insult to Texas and to Libertarians. What Texas has is a business friendly smallish government that manages to keep its corruption within the normal bounds of political corruption. That is definitely a good thing and a hell of a lot better than some corrupt prog hell hole like New York. It is not however, Libertarian in any meaningful sense of the word.

    1. I’ve heard that TX is not to hip on ending the drug war. It sounds like they are more conservative than libertarian. Haven’t been there since I was a kid.

      1. Texas has one of the most harsh criminal justice systems and some of the harshest drug laws in the country. Think about this; during the recent wave of marijuana legalization, have you ever heard of any city in Texas being part of it much less the state? I haven’t. And I can’t see it ever changing.

        Texas is a conservative state. Its success just shows that you can be conservative and business friendly. It doesn’t say much of anything one way or another about libertarianism.

        1. Houston is decriminalizing MJ (after this election we will now have a pro-decrim Mayor, Chief of Police (due to the mayor), attorney general, and harris county sheriff).

          Criminal justice reform is also growing stronger at the state level, but yeah we have a long ways to go on WOD bullshit. Texas is definitely not libertarian on a lot of issues.

          1. Houston also elected an openly lesbian mayor. It is not typical of the state at large or even its endless suburbs. i doubt Katy or Sugarland will be decriminalizing pot anytime soon.

            1. Fort Bend County (Sugarland) just went blue for the first time in decades. We’ll see but as I live in Harris County that doesn’t concern me.

              In any case you asked “have you ever heard of any city in Texas” which was what I was addressing.

              1. You answered my question. And I did not know that. So, touche.

        2. Oh, it will change. It just might take longer. Around 60% of adults in the USA now want weed legalized. There’s no way to stand against numbers like that forever, and it won’t decrease.

          1. yes there is. What matters is who is willing to vote based on the issue. How many of that 60% will really change their votes because a candidate is a drug warrior? Not as many as the number of people in the 40% who oppose who would change their votes if a candidate is not one.

          2. I agree with the above posters that our legislature only meeting for 6 months every 2 years is a good thing but it is also a reason why things like reforming drug laws will take a long time. There is simply not enough time for the legislature to take up votes on things that might piss off their base.

            I think eventually they will make the easy sell of legalizing MJ and using the revenue to lower other taxes. A lot of conservative in Texas will go along with that.

            1. There are some positive trends lately, but I think you’re right about the slow progress. CJ reform is getting popular, but not everywhere – there’s a lot of “law and order” people around. The LP isn’t too bad off down here – we did get over 5% in a statewide race (Railroad Commissioner – honestly, Mark Miller was the best candidate on the ballot, which shows how bad the tribalism is!), so we don’t have to fight for ballot access next time around. Who knows, maybe we can get an (L) or two into the Legislature…that would be awesome!

              1. No kidding, the RRC candidates were a joke other than Miller (I think the Green candidate was a fucking teacher or something). At least the last R commissioner elected was a legit O&G guy.

                1. Yeah – when the Libertarian candidate gets endorsements from all the major papers, you know the R and D versions are bad.

  16. “Roy believes Texas, a majority-minority state, offers a good counter-example for libertarians and conservatives anxious about immigrants and non-Europeans changing American political culture.”

    I don’t hear conservatives object to Texas much. In the SF Bay Area, it’s the progressives who spew vitriol towards it, without having ever been.

    1. The “majority minority” is a real misnomer. You can say it is majority minority if you count every person who is any part Hispanic as white. And that is absurd. Whites and Hispanic intermarry at very high rates. The Hispanic and white population are outside of the very poor and new immigrants, merging the same way the old European immigrant populations merged. Texas shows that progressives are in for a rude surprise as they enter the “majority minority” future they are always yapping about, because Hispanic and Whites are going to end up being the same group.

      1. Yes, Texas has a growing population of native born Hispanics who speak English as their first language (or don’t even speak Spanish at all). Every poll I’ve seen shows that this group is just as politically diverse as the rest of the population.

        The other factor they aren’t considering is that this group is also increasingly likely to identify as white rather than white Hispanic. If there were benefits such as affirmative action and minority hiring programs that group might be even bigger.

        1. That group would be much bigger without affirmative action I think. Anyone who has lived in the Southwest should see how stupid Hispanic identity politics are. Some of the most hard core conservative people I know are Hispanic. The other thing is that most of the second and third generations Hispanics are Mexicans whose parents came in legally or became legal under the 86 Amnesty. Most of the new immigrants are Central Americans. And the middle class Mexicans who have been living here for 30 years or more are not anything like the Central Americans who just rolled over the border running from the drug war.

          1. As a whole, Latin Americans are among the most socially conservative groups. Unfortunately, they are also one of the most ‘government is big sugar daddy’ groups.

            1. And that makes them pretty much NOT libertarian.

            2. They can be. They also like big personalities and strong leaders. it is a very macho culture. The people who claimed Trump would get some absurdly low percentage of Hispanic votes really didn’t know anything about Hispanics or Hispanic culture. Not all of them are single issue open borders voters and a macho celebrity like Trump was going to appeal to sections of that community I don’t care what he said about Mexicans.

              1. Mexicans and other Central and South Americans, as well as Asians, also heavily intermarry with white Americans. Then the Democrats identity politics appeal falls apart. This is why they are starting to turn their eyes on other groups, such as Muslims, who do not intermarry with us heathen deplorables.

          2. Yeah, I meant without those benefits. It would be dumb for anybody to turn down an opportunity for increased chance of admission, scholarships, or jobs by simply checking an extra box on a form and I don’t blame anybody for doing so but for simple demographic census stuff they might not check that box.

          3. A friend of mine’s mother ran for Congress down here (lost in the R primary). She’s Hispanic (Mexican descent, not sure how long her family’s been here), but is a huge supporter of Trump, and is very much anti-illegal immigrant. Hispanics in Texas are very much more diverse than some might imagine.

            1. I think Californian immigrants are a greater threat to Texan political culture than any group crossing the southern border.

      2. Plus, given that 30% of Hispanic and Asian voters went for Trump, the growing non-white population isn’t going to go in lock step with Democrats, which will be a rude awakening for progressives.

        1. The identity politics strategy was bound to fail from the beginning. It was just a matter of time. Most of the foreign nationals I know here who are citizens, vote Republican. But then again, these are successful professionals and business people, not the welfare crowd. Also, legal immigrants seem to be more against illegal immigration than anyone, probably because going through a draconian process and waiting in line, only to see someone walk across the border and get the same thing you got for all that, is enough to piss people off more than a little.

          1. legal immigrants seem to be more against illegal immigration than anyone,

            My experience – more against than average citizen, less than really committed types. And yes, it is partly that we followed procedures. But more importantly, there’s “Why do you think I left in the first place, idiot?!”
            Because honest talk – most legal immigrants don’t cross an ocean because they think their place of origin is awesome, and Canada needs to be more like it. It’s the fucking OPPOSITE!

        2. Yes, it’s funny how some people can in one breath talk about how Hispanics are just doomed to vote Democrat forever, and then proceed to brag about how Trump got a bigger share of the Hispanic vote than Romney.

          1. Who is they? The voices in your head?

          2. And yes he did. And he won the election Hazel. It will never get old reminding your sorry crazy ass of that fact.

      3. You also have to consider the white Mexican conquistadors moving here to escape the drug ransoms.

  17. I’m only a simple engineer, and not a fancy fellow like Mr. Roy, but it seems to me that 47% is less than 50%.

    1. It is that new math. Common core.

      1. Common Core goes like this:

        Sally has 1 apple, Tommy has 4 apples, and Judy has 5 apples.

        Who has the most apples?

        Answer: Government takes 2 of Tommy’s apples and 3 of Judie’s. Government gives Sally one apple and keeps 4 apples as a processing fee. Government has the most apples, because social justice.

  18. Having lived in Houston area (Sugar Land) and Dallas, I really don’t think there is any state in the union that is closer to a true color-blind society than Texas.

    While I’m sure there are plenty of articles of racist behavior by Texans in the sticks, by and large, Texas is as good as it gets IMO in regards to race relations. California, on the other hand, clandestinely segregates via “compassionate policy” in its state and calls that progress.

    Boy, do I miss it. CA has had unbeatable weather and incredible views since we moved here, but culturally enriching, it is not.

    1. I should clarify. CA is very culturally enriching, but you have to go out of your way for it.

      Day to day, in Texas, I learned more about other cultures and backgroudns than I do here because the diversity was more mixed. Workplaces, school districts, apartment complexes, and grocery stores in Cali are more segregated.

      1. Hard to have mixed diversity in a plave where the housing costs are so bonkers that crawlspaces rent for $500/mo…

        1. Ugh, everyone here is constantly clamoring for rent-control, and the places that do have it want more of it.

          0 discussion about zoning laws. Lots of blank stares when I mention how that might be helpful.

          1. Yeah, up here in Ecotopia Socialist councilwoman Kshama “Idiot” Sawant has declared rent control to be the next crusade now that the Fight for 15! has been won.

    2. Well, outside of certain East Texas strongholds (Vidor comes to mind), I think you’re probably right.

    3. As a mixed-race native Texan who is about to move to Cali, I second all of this.

      1. A quick tip – no u-turns in commercial districts. You can u-turn anywhere in Texas, but only residential areas in California. I got a ticket for that a couple weeks after moving here.

        1. I live in Washington state currently and around here U-turns are banned unless explicitly signed to be legal.

        2. U-turns make it more difficult for government agents to follow people. It’s only natural for looters to ban things that irritate Gubmint Goons Wit Guns union reps.

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