Donald Trump Is Time's Person of the Year!?!? New Reason Podcast

Nick Gillespie, Katherine Mangu-Ward, and Matt Welch discuss how Democrats will (or won't) cope, why Republicans are turning against free trade, and whether millennials will go libertarian in 2017.

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Donald Trump Is Time's Person of the Year!?!? New Reason Podcast

So President-elect Donald Trump has been named as Time's 90th "Person of the Year," besting a short list that included Hillary Clinton, Beyonce, and "the Hackers."

"He has upended the leadership of both major political parties and effectively shifted the political direction of the international order," reads the article announcing his choice. "He will soon command history's most lethal military, along with economic levers that can change the lives of billions."

No one can argue with Time's pick, but there's plenty to say about it. And in this new Reason podcast, Reason magazine Editor in Chief Katherine Mangu-Ward, Reason Editor at Large Matt Welch, and I talk about The Donald's cabinet picks so far, his intervention to keep a Carrier plant in Indiana, and his promise to start penalizing American companies that do business in a way that he doesn't like. We also talk about how Republicans have openly become the anti-free-market party—Vice President-elect Mike Pence recently opined that "the free market has been sorting it out and America's been losing"—and whether Democrats will rediscover their free-trading past, when Bill Clinton and Al Gore pushed NAFTA across the finish line.

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[MikeP]

I'm guessing that someone here knows who else something something...

[Adans smith]

Stalin?

[sarcasmic]

The answer is always Hitler. Don't you know anything?

[Charles Easterly]

Welcome back, Sir.

Welcome back.

[sarcasmic]

?

[Hyperion]

You were absent for a while, remember? But you've been back for a week or so, right?

[sarcasmic]

I've been busy. Wrapped myself in a cocoon, chrysalis, whatever. Who knows what will come out.

Seriously though, I will be physically around for the AM links again, though I don't know if I'll participate much. Turning over a new leaf so they say.

[Hyperion]

Sometimes when we're going though tough situations, it seems like things will never be good again. But they will be, time is the great healer. I went through a period of tragedy and several life changing events, all happening at once, about 10 years ago. I avoided mostly everyone for months, lapsing into years. I was in my cocoon. It took a long time to finally come out of that, but I finally did and now it all just seems like a distant bad dream. Anyway, I wish you the best, just hang in there, things will eventually get better and even be normal again.

[sarcasmic]

I don't mean cocoon as in hiding, I mean as in metamorphosis. Midlife crisis. Whatever you want to call it. I think it was Lisa Simpson who said "Did you know that the Chinese use the same word for 'crisis' and 'opportunity'?"

That's where I'm at. I'm sitting in the eye of a category 5 shit-storm. Everything is torn apart, and it's far from over.

I see it as an opportunity to rebuild.

[Raven Nation]

I made that point about a month ago and was told that, although I was correct, I was not supposed to actually point it out.

[sarcasmic]

You followed the rules? What kind of libertarian are you? Shame on you...

[Raven Nation]

Didn't say I obeyed, just reported what I was told.

[Hyperion]

"and whether millennials will go libertarian in 2017"

Sure, as long as libertarians tell them they can have free college, healthcare, housing, food, iThingys, puppies, etc, and guarantee them that no one can ever say anything to offend them.

[Pan Zagloba "The Stickler"]

Are you familiar with the writings of one Robby Soave?

[John Titor]

He is also known by his tournament name, The Hair That Rides.

[Austrian Anarchy]

Another webathon?

[WhatAboutBob]

Jill Stein will request a recount any day now!

[Pan Zagloba "The Stickler"]

She just needs more donations to fight the corruption!

[Hyperion]

Time is obviously a sexist bigot rag. If not, Jill Stein would be man of the year.

[Zeb]

Who?

[__Warren__]

Yet another year where I'm passed over for the honor!

[Jerryskids]

You were Time's POTY in 2006, weren't you?

[Pan Zagloba "The Stickler"]

Beaten by seconds!

[__Warren__]

Why shouldn't I be recognized for my "work" with orphans?

[AlmightyJB]

I thought my work with single mothers would mean something.

[Pan Zagloba "The Stickler"]

No one can argue with Time's pick, but there's plenty to say about it.

Eeeh... Only this part is true: He has upended the leadership of both major political parties . He hasn't shifted the political direction of the international order, as, culturally and politically, populism has been on the rise in Europe for years, and Trump hasn't actually done anything on official, state-to-state level. I'd argue that you could give it to Merkel or Farrage just as well, as their actions had demonstrable important consequences this year.

[Crying Zelda Morning Link]

Agreed. Politics is a trailing indicator of public sentiment, and this story has been at least three years coming.

As much as I hate Trump sympathizers' endless tear slurping, I remember how I felt the first time I saw Farage address the EU post Brexit. It is a special feeling, I cannot deny that.

[Hyperion]

I remember the time that Farage was laughing at them before Brexit, that was fucking epic.

[Crying Zelda Morning Link]

What's hard for me to admit is that, if Trump held his same positions, but bombastically acted like Farage does, I'd never need iodized salt again.

[Libertarian]

I can't count the number of Farage youtubes I watched after Brexit. *swoon*

[Crying Zelda Morning Link]

I mixed in some Daniel Hannan, but some days are just meant to be enjoyed, nothing else.

[Pan Zagloba "The Stickler"]

Oh god, yes.

Best part is that twat Schultz is now heading back to German politics, because Merkel has created such a pigsty that a swine like him can fit finally fit back in.

[Crying Zelda Morning Link]

Before I die, I want to be able to look at someone the way Nigel looked at Schultz post-Brexit. Not even Chris Petersen - Bob Stoops post Fiesta Bowl can top that.

[Mr. Paulbotto]

Hopefully in a few weeks it'll be Chris Petersen- Nick $aban post- Chick fil A bowl...

[JayU]

Real jobs FTW.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Hey, if the job was good enough for Jew Haters like Hitler and the Ayatollah Khomeini, it's good enough for some dude who waved a rainbow flag at a rally.

[Hyperion]

I know we've been joking about this, but now they're actually writing about it! You cannot make this shit up.

Leftists suddenly discover importance of US Constitution

It's so cool when their token Muslim guys holds up a copy of the Constitution. When a tea party person does it, they're a bible thumping, redneck, mouth breather who should be ashamed to be waving about that horrible thing written by white slave owners a hundred years ago.

[bacon-magic]

Bitter clingers. Deplorables even.

[Hyperion]

Also, racists, can't forget that.

[sarcasmic]

When their guy does it it's good and wonderful because their guy has good and wonderful intentions.

Whereas Tea Baggers are evil with evil intentions.

Principals, not principles.

[Suthenboy]

The left is composed of people who decide on their chosen position and then go about reshuffling and molding facts and premises to support it. There is a lot of that around. This is why they fucking love science.

For them there is no objective truth. Facts, premises, principle, and conclusions are malleable. Oddly their conclusion is always the same: They should be in charge. You should do as you are told.

I am amazed at how blatant they are about it. More amazed still at how many people who subscribe to the label of libertarian have let the mask slip to show their left leanings. I think the latter entertain some small hope that utopia really is obtainable. Despite many of them being quite bright and creative they just cant help but let their feelings creep into their calculations. They are perfectly aware of the long and bloody history behind these ideas but somehow they feel they would never do that, it cant happen here. Not here.

They just spent 8 years castigating the constitution. Now they will pretend that never happened and you are supposed to pretend with them. Fuck that. And fuck everyone who let the mask slip. I am not going to pretend with them. I remember what they are and will keep reminding them.

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For them there is no objective truth. Facts, premises, principle, and conclusions are malleable. Oddly their conclusion is always the same: They should be in charge. You should do as you are told.

*cough* secular humanism *cough*

The natural result of moral relativism is egotistical utilitarianism. When "facts" are subjective, "principles" are subservient to feelings, and "conclusions" are ginned up using TEH FEELZ and made up "facts," the result can be literally anything. We see that result in modern leftist politics.

[Pro Libertate]

CLOUD: I do not fully understand, one named Kirk. But the holy words will be obeyed. I swear it.

[Charles Easterly]

No one can argue with Time's pick....

Although there is at least one man, a man who stubbornly refuses accepting any non-gender pronoun in connection with his name, a man who does indeed take exception with Time's pick and would argue with Time should he be given that opportunity.
His name: Charles Easterly.

Also there is this: Charles Easterly exudes a "Feeling of Safety" to 39.5 ' radius (or circumference if that makes his detractors feel more comfortable, and perhaps Time might enjoy a bit of relief from impending doom (a.k.a. "The Coming of the Great White Handkerchief").

Also also wik: Charles Easterly has an associate of sorts who is currently known as Argile Cyborg, and Time "ain't got nothin' on" Agile Cyborg.

[Hyperion]

Trump will be man of the year again in 2020 after he suspends elections and makes everyone get a combover just like his. We'll all be living off Trump wine and Trump steaks. Nothing else will be allowed on store shelves.

[Adans smith]

Will all women look like Ivaka?

[Hyperion]

You guys are asking too much. What about a free Trump bobblehead for your car, hand autographed by dear leader?

[AlmightyJB]

All women will be pregent and shoeless. It will be illegal for them not to be.

[Hyperion]

They'll be chained to the stove half the day and to the bed the other half.

[AlmightyJB]

Making America fellate again

[Cdr Lytton]

Finally! A campaign I can get behind!

[BigW]

Reason magazine. All TDS all day....

[Hugh Akston]

Fortunately the chronic and widespread diaper rash among the commenters brings balance to the Force.

[bacon-magic]

Aspy retort!

[Hugh Akston]

And right on cue opposing opinions are pathologized. Odd how being so utterly predictable makes you no less irritating.

[Hamster of Doom]

Have we officially nicknamed you Eeyore yet? Did Fist or Swiss rubberstamp that, and we're good to run with it?

[AlmightyJB]

Leave Eeyore alone

[Heroic Mulatto]

Have we officially nicknamed you Eeyore yet?

Yes, I did. Several years ago.

Try and keep up, woman!

[Hyperion]

Is that the sad grouchy donkey with the hummus fetish?

[Heroic Mulatto]

That having been said, I agree with my old buddy, old pal, that jesus fucking christ there are a shitload of bitter curmudgeons around here. It's like if you gave everyone in a nursing home a voice-to-text Twitter feed and asked them to all comment on the wearing saggy pants fad.

[AlmightyJB]

It was all over when they moved PM links to before dinnertime.

[Suthenboy]

That is why I like it here Heroic.

[Heroic Mulatto]

We can both agree that they look like a fool with they pants on the ground.

[Hugh Akston]

What does that even mean?

[Heroic Mulatto]

It means: HUNNY

[Zeb]

TDS goes both ways.

We need a neat abbreviation for when people see exactly and only what they want to see when they read a certain blog, no matter the actual content.

[Heroic Mulatto]

CB (confirmation bias)?

[The Hyperbole]

AMHWHWTHADTR?

[SugarFree]

Testiclevision

[qjkxbmwvz]

Should've been Narendra Modi. Trump once again wins without getting the most votes.

[sarcasmic]

Know who else was Time's Man of the Year?

[Pan Zagloba "The Stickler"]

You?

[JWatts]

"Know who else was Time's Man of the Year?"

Hitler's dog?

[Brochettaward = (((pants)))]

Slate is the voice of less derp temporarily, telling its cohorts to stop calling everything fake news as they are rendering the term meaningless. Slate still not self-aware to realize what they've done to terms such as rape, racism, and misogyny.

[Pan Zagloba "The Stickler"]

Slate writer: Banish fake news? But that's one of my favorite pastimes!

[John Titor]

Or are we in Nilfgaard?

Well, in a couple weeks...yes.

[Pan Zagloba "The Stickler"]

Holy shit, you're right. That must have been foreshadowing. Damn, the writing in those games still surprises me.

[Half-Virtue, Half-Vice]

They were books first! The games continue the story. The books are also great. Very philosophical for fantasy.

[Pan Zagloba "The Stickler"]

They were, but Sapkowski had nothing to do with games. There was an interview where he was quite vehement these are different things, and that post-book stories are not his Witcher stories.

It's just that writing in games is such a low bar, when you get something like Heart of Stone, it's a goddamn revelation. Doubly so in that they still work as games, not movies that pretend you have control.

[AlmightyJB]

WTF are you nerds talking about now?

[Hyperion]

Nilfgaard is a city in the Witcher video game series.

[John Titor]

Technically yes, but it's more like a city state that grew into an empire a la Rome. It's basically a mix of the Roman Empire and a Medieval Soviet Union.

/nerd cred

[AlmightyJB]

OMG COULD YOU BE ANY MORE BORING!

[Hyperion]

You need to try gaming, JB.

[AlmightyJB]

I can't seem to make the time for it. I had a PS2 hooked up for years and rarely ever played it. I got it back from my daughter almost a year ago and still haven't hooked it back up. I have too many interest and not enough time. No doubt spend too much time here:)

[MikeT1986]

Or reading, since it's a book series first and foremost.

[John Titor]

Hey, this shit is...interesting.

I read it for the articles.

[AlmightyJB]

Lol. Nice:)

[Suthenboy]

I don't think William Oremus quite understands the principles involved here. You don't narrow down and clarify words, you change their meanings from something specific to a murky slippery concept that cant be defined. Dude musta lost his proggie playbook.

[Chip Your Pets]

Maybe a little less derp, but not much.

The author gives a little bit of hand wringing about gigantic MSM news outlets applying the "fake news" moniker to right-wing opinion sites, then screams bloody murder when a couple of tweeters and Alex Jones throw the label back at the MSM for their own false and misleading stories. He ends with a nice pat on the back for the "reality based community".

At this point, no one can stop right-wing nuts from attaching fake news as an epithet to every CNN report that bothers them. But there may still be time for the reality-based community to find enough common ground to tackle the original problem.

[Mongo]

That Minnesota vet who used his .22 to shoot off the branches where an eagle got entangled and the DNR refused to help over the FOURTH OF JULY got robbed if you ax me.

[Hank Phillips]

Maybe it means the same thing it did in 1938, when Time chose a slightly different Positive Christian statesman and great persuader to be its Man of the Year.

[Hyperion]

I'm honestly surprised that Reason has not made that analysis yet.

[John Titor]

Let's have some perspective here:

Man of the Year? Logical at least, he was definitely an underdog that upset the political sphere and made waves internationally.

Nobel Peace Prize? For nothing. Absolutely freaking nothing but blind sycophancy and relief that Bush was out of office.

[Hyperion]

Trump definitely deserves it, love him or hate him. No one else has pulled off anything as epic as what he did in a very long time, he turned the US political establishment and the media completely upside down and made them all a bunch of babbling fools. The only thing close to that recently, was Brexit. I'd give Farage runner up.

[Libertarian]

Wow, first he beat Hillary and then he beat Beyonce. Sure, they both won the popular vote, but still.

[AlmightyJB]

Beyonce? I don't get that. Maybe 5 years ago. Did she get a sex change or something?

[straffinrun]

It's a dead cat Beyonce.

[AlmightyJB]

Well now I'm pissed. Dead cat Beyonce definately should have won.

[Yusef Adama]

Killer...

[Libertarian]

You think that's funny? You should hear how my wife pronounces Kanye.

[PapayaSF]

U.S. President-elect Donald Trump said on Wednesday he will nominate professional wrestling magnate and former Senate candidate Linda McMahon as his choice to head the Small Business Administration. Trump's announcement said McMahon would be a key player in his effort to generate stronger job growth and roll back federal regulations.

Sounds like good news to me. Prepare for more pearl-clutching.

[The Fusionist]

More wrestlers in the Cabinet, fewer law 'n order fetishists and Goldman Sucks officials.

[The Fusionist]

(nb - law and order are great things in principle, but when it means doubling down on bad laws, they're bad things)

[Hyperion]

Well, she's officially not a real woman now.

/progs

[AlmightyJB]

Yeah, I don't think they will have any luck intimidating her.

[John Titor]

Holy shit, this had better be setup for a new Battle of the Billionaires.

[MarkLastname]

Haha, that adds to the farce nicely. We already have Al Franken in the senate, so why not?

[Steve G]

OT:In farewell to troops, Obama urges restraint in using military force L to the fucking OL. What, did he reflect on his own Mideast adventures in his final days?

[Suthenboy]

He does deserve some credit for trying to minimize American casualties. Other than that his policies are unmitigated disasters, each and every one, and have caused astronomical death, destruction and suffering in the ME.

[Hyperion]

And he thought it a great idea to appoint a war mongering neocon to the SOS position. He's a clown.

[Hyperion]

He also now claims to support cannabis legalization. Although he had 8 fucking years to do something about it and could use his pen and phone right now. He's such a lame ass fuck.

[Sevo]

"...He also now claims to support cannabis legalization..."

Ah, the nostalgia! How I remember turd telling us Obo was going to re-sched dope with just a swipe of the pen!
That can't be more than 1 uh, 3? well maybe 5? years ago?

[Suthenboy]

Given all his yammering for the last week I cant help but get the impression that his having to leave the office and its power is eating him up. He sounds like the kid that thinks if he keeps talking he won't have to leave grandma's house.

[Hyperion]

And he's not going to be a SCOTUS pick either. At least not until Hillary wins in 2020. Maybe the UN will want him. Otherwise, I guess it's back to community organizer.

[Hyperion]

But I can seriously see Obama imagining himself as the savior of the EU. Maybe he winds up in Brussels?

[PapayaSF]

All those options are too much work. He'll sit on some corporate and charity boards, make some high-sounding pronouncements, and try to defend his "legacy."

[PapayaSF]

Hillary is finished. I'm surprised she hasn't drunk herself to death in the last few weeks.

[Suthenboy]

How do you know she hasn't?

[PapayaSF]

She has appeared in public recently.

[Episteme]

Unless it was that body double...

[JWatts]

"And he's not going to be a SCOTUS pick either. At least not until Hillary wins in 2020. Maybe the UN will want him. Otherwise, I guess it's back to community organizer."

LOL, you are way too optimistic. Remember who invented: "Office of the President-Elect"

And even built a special lectern that was then immediately put to use making pronouncements:

https://goo.gl/da1DjW

How hard is it to change the placard to say "Office of the President-Post"? And then start proclaiming how everything Trump is doing is wrong, and that if Congress will just follow my 'third' term policies, everything will be grande. The Media will just lap that up like a bowl of milk.

Of course, since none of his policies are official he can claim that they would have worked better than whatever actually happened. And he'll have a sycophantic group of editorialists pushing that point of view.

[????? ????]

Vice President-elect Mike Pence recently opined that "the free market has been sorting it out and America's been losing"

Don't worry. The 57% of Republicans who agree with that statement are just trolling.

[Heroic Mulatto]

4 years of Trumpsplaining.

4, if not 8 more years.

[Jimbo]

How about 20 more years? All hail King Trump!!!!

[Robert]

TL;DL, but the Home School Legal Defense Ass'n approves of his Ed Sec'y pick:

http://nche.hslda.org/docs/news/2016/201612050.asp

I keep reading doom & gloom about him from the bloggers here, but the reporting on what he's actually doing seems to be all good news, about the best I'd've hoped.

[Sevo]

I'm not alone in seeing better than expected. Certainly better than the hag would have done; she'd have been flying the globe by now, offering blue-light specials for any head of state willing to kick in several mill.
Bill would have been on the phone trying to list the Lincoln bedroom on AirBnB.

[frankpslab]

"He has upended the leadership of both major political parties and effectively shifted the political direction of the international order," reads the article announcing his choice. "He will soon command history's most lethal military, along with economic levers that can change the lives of billions."

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[frankpslab]

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