Washington, D.C. Streetcar Nightmare: Then and Now
D.C. residents breathed a sigh of relief when streetcars disappeared in 1962. Now they're back.
Washington D.C.'s new streetcar line "was ill-planned, ill-thought-out, ill-engineered, ill-everything," recently deceased former Mayor Marion Barry said in 2014. There have been minor accidents, constant engineering problems, and the system has missed its targeted opening date by more than three years. Perhaps D.C. planners never would have embarked on this folly if only they had studied the long and turbulent history of street cars in the city.
For about a hundred years, these surface-level rail cars crisscrossed the capital. Although they they were an important technology in their time, street cars involved major engineering headaches and they required an enormous amount of capital investment and maintenance. Contrary to the myth peddled by transit nostalgics, when streetcars finally disappeared from the district in 1962, the public collectively breathed a sigh of relief.
Now that the new D.C. streetcar line is finally—allegedly—set to open in a few weeks, a new book titled Capital Streetcars: Early Mass Transit in Washington, D.C. meticulously recounts the story of the old system.
The book, which is straight, objective history, and doesn't take a position on whether building new streetcars is good policy or not, was written by John DeFerrari, a local historian who writes regularly at the the Streets of Washington blog.
Reason TV's Jim Epstein sat down with DeFerrari to talk about what the pre-1962 streetcar system can teach us about the new 2.2-mile line on H Street.
About seven minutes.
Written and edited by Jim Epstein. Camera by Joshua Swain and Todd Krainin
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The people don t 'desire' streetcars? It's back bitches.
I can see what you did there without depending on the kindness of strangers.
Stella!
Combed over even.
Well at least *something's* been combed.
Washington D.C.'s new streetcar line "was ill-planned, ill-thought-out, ill-engineered, ill-everything," recently deceased former Mayor Marion Barry said in 2014.
He knows his lines.
Whoa, he said that after he died?
Should be formerly deceased recent Mayor
You know who else disappeared in in 1962?
Paul Atreides in the desert?
Pete Best, from the original lineup of the Beatles?
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They probably left this out to cut down the length of the video but Washington and many other cities had cable cars, just like the one remaining one in San Francisco.
The tech went, Omnibuses, Horse Cars, Cable Cars, Electric Trolley, and then Buses. And soon maybe self driving cars which will pick you up and deliver you.
Cable Cars did not last long since they were very inefficient since it involved pulling miles of cables through small slots in the ground and going through numerous pulleys to which the Cable Car would clamp onto. Only the steep hills of San Francisco kept one and that was mostly for tourists
But the old transit people were not ones for inefficient, that is why they got rid of old tech as soon as better tech arrived. Not like today when politics rules
There is a time and a place for different kinds of transit. Stupid projects like this one in DC give ammunition to folks who claim that buses are the only acceptable form of transit. That is simply not the case in many cities. No amount of driverless cars is going to work in NYC, for example.
gah that should have read "buses (or driverless cars)"
Agree about NYC, subways are needed there but they avoid the big problem with trolley's that they don't have to worry about traffic. However today they have to worry about the Sandhog union which puts a big premium on any underground construction, that is on top of all the other forces in NYC which delays and increases the cost of projects. If that had been in place when subways were first introduced they probably would not have gotten far
I've always held the DC Metro in high regard in comparison to public transit in other major cities.
You have low standards.
Too many inappropriate escalators. 1-2story escalators up to the platform, with one tiny stairwell between, is bullshit when one of the escalators is ALWAYS out of order. Make it all stairs, then there's the elevator for anyone who can't handle the hike. I just-missed my bus so many times coming off that platform....
+5 points to the 1st person to guess the platform i neglected to name
platform shoes?
Well, let's not forget the black slime and the occasional fire in the tunnels.
Nobody is claiming that buses are the only acceptable forms of transit.
They are claiming, that outside the 1 or 2 cities in the US that have the population density of New York City, that buses are the only acceptable form of *mass* transit - as its the only one that can carry the load, quickly respond to changes in load and route needs, and has both the least up-front *and* maintenance costs (and so needs the least amount of subsidy). At least that's the stance of transit advocates who aren't pimping for light rail.
And self-driving cars will replace buses in short order.
In places that have the density of NYC, the subway system makes sense, is economical, and isn't expected to be replaced by self-driving cars.
*Taxis* on the other hand, likely will be.
"*Taxis* on the other hand, likely will be."
not if the taxi companies and their government licensing bureaucracy have any say in the matter
Just let one trolley derail or break down and the whole line is tied up for hours. But with buses, the next one just
loads the stranded passengers, pulls around, and continues on down its route with little delay.
Does not even have to have the trolley derail or break down, a vehicle in front could break down, or crash into the power poles or just someone parking in the wrong place.
Did the attorney for the Southern District of New York show up again or something?
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Remotely operating streetcars? Or Zeppelins?
There was some minor conspiracy to replace streetcars with diesel-powered buses, and to replace steam locomotives with diesel-electric ones, in that the US Navy was desperate for better diesels for its submarines, and subsidized diesel engine development. And while I can't imagine many people choosing slow streetcars over buses, and buses can change routes at will or detour around accidents, once traffic got bad enough and streetcar lanes were banned to other traffic, the bus speed advantage would disappear. I detest the things outside movies; they make a mess of traffic, they dedicate a lane of traffic to such little benefit, they are inflexible and expensive to build and operate.
Reason had a good piece on Los Angeles' new urban rail line. How anyone can think a government paycheck makes you smarter is beyond me.
I puzzled over that for quite a while, wondering why I hadn't heard of the install'n of streetcars as transit for moveigoers, maybe for them to wait on line in.
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What's is called when a project goes more than 100% over schedule and budget and still doesn't meet even meet the conservative expectations of its most vocal proponents? I don't think even "boondoggle" quite captures it.
paging Dr Seuss
In D.C. they call that "Tuesday".
Then they leave early to celebrate.
The Atlanta Streetcar finally started charging a fare this year. A whole fucking dollar. Ridership in January 2016 was down 66% from January 2015. It took in less than $10,000 and operating costs are about $5 million per month. Awesome.
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news.....are/nqRDW/
Yeah but...
"The city and MARTA (which has responsibility for overseeing streetcar operations) have said they are correcting the problems cited in the audits."
See... They'll be turning a profit in no time.
Nope. None of it matters. I've had a GA Tech-educated architect who's also a urban development advocate patiently (and drunkenly) explain to me that whether the streetcar is efficient or even self-sustaining is completely beside the point. According to him, mass transit is inherently incapable of being self-sustaining, so it should be accepted as a given that tax-funded support will always be required. These assertions should be accepted because, um, something something smart growth/world-class city/think of the poor/Europe does it, so, duh.
(Ever notice how in discussions of urban planning, "smart growth" is code for "Top Men"?)
I have had those conversations as well. It does always come down to the Europe comparison and the for the poor. I usually inform them that outside of NYC and the North East our population dynamics are different. basically people in Europe rarely live far from their work like we do in the US. That is when I get the well that is why the US is bad. What is progressives love affair with dense urban life? My only guess is because it is there that their controlling policies can happen.
One thing that never occurs to them is that their professional predecessors - the urban planners and engineers of yore - were also engaging in "smart growth" as they understood it, working with the constraints and goals of the government under which they lived. They never believed they were plopping down roads and buildings down at random. Especially in the midcentury, the infrastucture growth that was pushed was the creation of the Interstate System. This was held up as a worthy goal. Maybe it was, but it created what is now referred to as "sprawl". How could it not? The creation of major arteries will absolutely result in the development of the land along those arteries, *especially* in areas just outside major cities. Now, present-day urban planners are spending all their time (and truckloads of tax money) trying to reverse the consequences of their predecessors' decisions, all the while believing that THEY are on the right track. The push to resurrect the "walkable/bike-able" city is just an effort to return to what we had BEFORE the previous generation of Top Men had their way.
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