How California Could Have Avoided Its Epic Water Crisis
Joel Kotkin on the causes and repercussions of the Golden State disaster.
California's water crisis is the disaster everybody saw coming but nobody had the political will to stop. It's the byproduct of a broken system that's dominated by self-serving elites and misguided ideologues. Or so says Joel Kotkin, a distinguished professor at Chapman University, who writes frequently about Golden State politics.
Kotkin says the drought could have been avoided through a combination of tactics, such as making farmers pay closer to a market rate on the water they use, or by allowing desalinization, a process in which the salt is removed from ocean water. But California's political leaders couldn't get it together to enact the policies that would have averted the water crisis.
If the Golden State can't fix its water problems, Kotkin argues, many industries will have to leave the state, destroying opportunities for poorer Californians, and exacerbating the growing class divide.
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Growing class divide? That is a feature.
Even when it's caused by progressive liberal types? I'm sure that *wasn't* their intention, and we can only judge them on their intentions, you know. Not on the actual consequences.
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Oh liberals want and relish class divides with huge barriers keeping the poor from doing we ll and needy of government help, happening in Caliy, NY, and CT as we speak
Maybe they need to get started with fusion?
http://protonboron.com/portal/.....ncy-meter/
If anyone gets fusion to a commercially viable state, the green nazis will go completely monkey shit trying to ban it.
Clean independent & unlimited energy vs. giving a corrupt monarchy hundreds of billions of dollars per year to stone women caught looking the wrong way without their husbands permission.
There will be mass protests by the left in support of the later.
When did you guys stop thinking?
The left hates consumerism above all else. And cheap, clean energy (ie fusion) means more consumerism.
There was an episode of the Lone Gunman (remember that show, X-files spinoff) where it turned out some guy really invented a car that ran on water (an old piece of folklore) and the oil companies wanted to get it so they could share it to the world and usher in a new world of consumerism.
The Lone Gunmen thought this was a bad thing and destroyed it.
That's how Hollywood and liberals think. They don't want to see the average person happy, they want to be masters and everyone else serfs.
Do you recall the episode of that show where they thwarted an attempt to fly a plane into the World Trade Center? The show aired in the 90s. I remember how eerie it was remembering that show after 9/11.
I was always amazed that prescient program never got brought up after that day, but perhaps it's just you and I were the only people who ever watched that show.
This times a million. This is why the left despises automobiles and oil so much. A car and a few gas stations give the average person the freedom to drive all the way across the country on a whim if he wants to with no permission from anyone. They absolutely detest this level of consumer freedom.
... for others.
WB-8++?
Let me guess, the report will be issued in Sep.
An insider I see. We plan to be open source.
Well that will fix everything...
We are planning for improvement. Fixing everything is a little beyond the scope of the project.
Trying to explain how property rights and letting the market set the price could have helped here is a waste of time. Water is special and beyond the laws of supply and demand. People here a word like market, jump to evil profits and then think 'bad.' This is like explaining fire isn't magic to a caveman. In the West, profit is a bad word now among the majority of the population. No one can be allowed to profit off water...
The best you can get most people to understand is the government of California made terrible choices, and even then most lefties won't admit that because its inconvenient for their climate change propaganda.
I'd hope for California's water to really dry up, but I don't want their shitty voters scurrying off to ruin other states.
So is medical care.
So are residential rental units.
So is electricity.
So is cable TV.
And now, so is the internet.
What about food, huh, smart guy?
That is coming.
Just Google "food desert".
Google "dessert food". You'll be shocked by how many delicious sugary treats are incorrectly identified as desserts.
. . . and education.
Sevo, does your water still come from Hetch Hetchy, or are they mixing it with other sources?
Playa,
AFAIK, it is 100% HH water and a report in the rag this morning says that HH is 90% of capacity; more than normal for this time of year.
Strangely, we are being "asked" to conserve, even though we have plenty of water, I guess to show solidarity with those whose reservoirs are in the toilet (so to speak).
I guess the next time folks in portions of TX are having a drought, those in OK will have to cut back to show they care.
Love your last line, but it's too late. They're already flooding into CO. with their crappy uber left ideas.
Last night PBS Newshour aired this story related to water usage and marijuana cultivation.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/up.....ter-usage/
water theft for pot growing is a big problem here in N. Cali. of course if they legalized farming it then they wouldn't have to hide and then they could pay their fare share. but since they are criminals probably not since it would cut into profits
Fascist. When we legalize coke the first thing that will happen is that the cartels will offer IPOs and completely cease being violent. Just because some break laws with impunity doesn't mean they are law breakers man. Sniff sniff I smell pork.
When we legalize coke alcohol the first thing that will happen is that the cartels mob will offer IPOs and completely cease being violent.
While that didn't happen, of course, you will note that organized crime lost the market for alcohol.
No reason to think it wouldn't happen for pot, or coke, or anything else. Strip their biggest business line from them, and I think the cartels will be much less of a problem. They won't disappear, of course, but they'll be barely noticeable compared to today.
It's almost like there is some blueprint for what drug legalization would look like.
You forgot about the mob's most prevalent income source: truck heists.
Legal cigarettes and alcohol have extreme value on the black market if you can obtain and sell them sans the sin taxes.
Gotti got his start towards being a made man this way.
Compare the influence and wealth of the mob in the '20s versus the '70s when Gotti came up the ranks.
The mob wasn't heisting trucks in the '20s, they owned the trucks.
Sam Haysom|6.10.15 @ 3:24PM|#
"Fascist. When we legalize coke the first thing that will happen is that the cartels will offer IPOs and completely cease being violent."
So, Sam, I'm still waiting.
Are you tulpa under a new sock? Or just the same sort of ignorant twit?
North Cali, Colombia? Hey, small world! We have similar problems in NorCal (otherwise known as Northern CALIFORNIA).
Don't call it "Cali"!
I just call all of California Eastern China
You can always spot an out of state kook if they say "Cali."
It's only a matter of time until the left turns on this. The signs are all in that article.
In the Emerald Triangle, that might prove feasible; many growers, especially small operators, seem to want it, though certainly not those operating illegally on public or private land.
The small guys WANT the regulatory burden! For their own good...
What happens when marijuana is legalized, and big agriculture starts growing pot in California's Central Valley on the scale they grow tomatoes or almonds or lettuce?
What happens when kkkorporations take over and control not just the weed, but all the hemp, too! Think of all the hemp inequality!
It's only a matter of time until the left turns on this. The signs are all in that article.
They're already turning. The instant someone made a dollar selling weed over the counter, the jig was up. Washington state now has entire new departments created to give parents talking points for their children about the dangers of legal weed. It's comical.
Regulating legal weed has been an employment boon... for government.
http://www.liq.wa.gov/pressrel.....from_teens
Gotta spend all that new revenue before some anarchist tries to lower taxes.
"What happens when marijuana is legalized, and big agriculture starts growing pot in California's Central Valley on the scale they grow tomatoes or almonds or lettuce?"
Won't happen. MJ takes too much water.
Well, maybe with government subsidies. Wouldn't that be a hoot. ;-(
Citation needed.
It is a plant that readily grows in Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, etc.
California's energy budget water crisis is the disaster everybody saw coming but nobody had the political will to stop.
Is there anything this state can't completely foresee and still completely fuck up?
"Is there anything this state can't completely foresee and still completely fuck up?"
Moonbeam's choo-choo? It's screwed up already and hardly any of it is built.
A $6.4B bridge perhaps?
If the California state legislature were in charge of the Sahara, there would be a shortage of sand.
Word
OT:
"When your goal is to be able to go home safely each night to your family, this is something that our officers have to be made aware of and they have to make good, responsible decisions."
Stringer says this trend is not an issue in the Tennessee Valley, but his officers continue to stay aware of any developing threats.
"It's something that we haven't seen here on a regular basis, but because it's out there, it is imperative that we give our officers that training."
And people wonder why cops shoot them...
"We haven't actually seen it, but we just know it's out there!" Yeah, I'm gonna call bullshit on this without some actual proof.
Every time I see this, I don't know whether to laugh (stereotypes are funny 'cause they're true!), or cry (Protect & Serve is dead).
The cops have already been shooting people with toy guns... so why would you disguise a real gun as a toy gun? It makes no difference to the cop.
I know, sounds like they are just doing some CYA for later.
Yeah, exactly what "training" do they require? They seem to be gunning down kids with exceptional efficiency already.
Just think of the damage some 3rd grader could do with this!
Bless all cops and keep them safe...protect them from debilitating, painful cancer, and keep them from sexually transmitted sheep diseases.
You are getting painfully close to the edge:
Please Keep The Comments In Bounds
hypothetically speaking of course...
When your goal is to be able to go home safely each night to your family,
You probably shouldn't have a dangerous job?
Stop logicking!
But then you couldn't go around bullying everyone and get paid for it.
Why is it that all the kids I grew up with that had minor run ins with the law and despised cops later became cops?
Because they could continue to do what they had been doing only get away with it and avoid anymore jail (juvenile hall actually) time.
Why fix the problem when you can create a crisis and control people?
They created the problem for precisely this reason.
Someone should put up some flyers and hire a DJ next to a reservoir. Because when done next to a private pool the pool becomes a public pool. So maybe if you do it next to a public reservoir the water will be privatized.
Sam, I'm unclear. Dids the owners of the pool call the police or just people whom the owners had authorized use?
How California Could Have Avoided Its Epic Water Crisis
But it wouldn't be California if they avoided an obvious issue! So - unpossible, definitionally.
Pope Hat is going on HuffPo Live momentarily:
http://t.co/eoFZxzLrC4
Hat tip: the worst
I am pretty sure Niki is no longer the worst. We are all the worst now.
Go ahead and say it and say it proudly
"I am Niki!!"
To talk about the incredible sacrifice he is making by lowering himself to defend the rights of the people on this board?
Yes, in those words.
Just as long as the good people at HuffPo know he is not "one of those people", I am sure he will be fine.
He's doing a great service for Reason. There's a lot going on behind the scenes, you know.
Sure he is. That doesn't make him above criticism, however.
Yes, he's only working for no discernible personal benefit to defend a group of people he does not know from a malicious prosecution, that bastard.
What do you mean? The guy runs a blog. This is what he does. Is he down filing court papers for free? I don't think so. Sorry but being a blogger and getting to appear on HUFFPO TV doesn't exactly count as a sacrifice.
Like I said, there's more going on behind the scenes than you know about. I'd fill you in on what I know, but I can't do it here.
Thanks for the link - good piece.
He doesn't just run a blog, he's a prominent first amendment lawyer and a former federal prosecutor. I know of no one with that kind of exposure and reputation who's stepping up to help defend us the way his is. He's exactly the sort of ally Reason and the commenters need to beat this thing. And, though I have no reason to believe this is actually the case, for all you know he actually is in contact with Reason or the affected parties concerning representation, because this is exactly the kind of case he deals with in his professional work.
And if he doesn't or is unable to involve himself directly, I'd bet good money he would offer to use his connections and expertise to find competent people who can, because he does exactly that on his blog all the time.
So what are you doing to help?
Android,
If someone wants me to go on HuffPo, I will. The fact that he is an attorney still doesn't mean he is doing anything more or less than anyone else who is speaking up about this. Again, he runs a blog. Talking about these issues is what he does for fun and entertainment. It is nice that he has the proper view of this, but him doing what he does anyway is not making a sacrifice. Stop pretending it is.
If Iowahawk does a humorous tweet about this, is Iowahawk making a sacrifice too? Jesus, get your nose out of this guy's ass.
I'm just pointing out that your assholish snark on this issue is inane and unfounded.
But of course, that's par for the course for you.
"I'm just pointing out that your assholish snark on this issue is inane and unfounded."
Ken (popehat) called us stupid, blowhards, twerps, a peanut gallery, and asshats.
Pretty sure "assholish snark" has a foundation south of the earth's mantle.
Ken (popehat) called us stupid, blowhards, twerps, a peanut gallery, and asshats.
I find it funny that considering what gets slung around here people are suddenly offended at his remark? When did some people here suddenly get such thin skins?
"When did some people here suddenly get such thin skins?"
You are worse then Nikki
I am not offended by "assholish snarck" "slung" my way, I am defending the right to fling it back.
Did you even read the quote I posted? or the 2nd line of my 2 line rebuttal to it?
John let's not worry for now why he is doing i,t let's just be glad for now that he is doing it.
We can wory about motivation at a later date after the storm clouds have passed.
Some amongst us are in a bad way and there but by the grace of God go I, and You.
John, you should watch his appearance. He said that a lot worse gets said every day on political blogs all over the country, and that the question is why the justice department is pretending these are worthy of investigation.
Again, seeing as he allows Clark to write the most amazingly inflammatory articles, I don't think his derisory comments about us in the original article were serious but were meant affectionately.
Maybe you are right Tarran. Sadly the guy doesn't list an email address to email him and find out. He only has a twitter account. I hate when people do that. It is like they are terrified of someone having more than 145 characters to take a shot at them.
I have emailed him in the past (to ask for him to intercede on a guy that was the victim of a SLAPP suit). I think there is a contact form on his site.
However, you don't need to email him:
Click on Playa's link and advance the video to the 22:22 mark.
While his soul is burning in hell Popehat should be dragged out into the street and shot.
That was uncalled for:
Please Keep The Comments In Bounds
Pretty sure the guy claiming 'named names' also posted on the Bloomberg site and as proof, offered a link to...........................
H&R home page.
Fuck off, there is nothing wrong with Corning's comment. He's not even close to the legal edge, he probably would need sights to see it.
So that's where Alyona went.
Come on guys, making sure enough water flows into the ocean to save a bunch of bait fish is so much more important than making sure there is enough water for people to drink or to support one of the richest agricultural areas in the world. Why do you guys hate mother earth so much?
You know, three good nuke plants could fix both the expensive power and the lack of water.
We're busy closing our nuke plants down
Exactly.
It costs, according to the San Diago Water Authority, $2,257 to desalinate an acre foot of water. California is spending $69 billion dollars on its choo choo to nowhere.
That means that for the cost of a train system no one wants or will ride, California could desalinate 30,571,555 acre feet of water. An acre foot of water is 325,851 gallons of water meaning for the cost of the sacred choo choo, California could desalinate over nine trillion gallons of water. To put that into perspective, California uses in total about 38 billion gallons of water a day. So they could desalinate enough water to supply the state for an entire year.
Maybe I can bring water down from the delta on the train.
Nope.
The San Joaquin runs dry down past Fresno in the summer.
$2,257 to desalinate an acre foot of water.
Water rights for an acre foot cost about that much...but that is forever not just one growing season.
Also price does not include transportation costs. Pumping enough water to matter from the coast into the central valley would require some hefty infrastructure.
Who gives a shit? The 12b train that has ballooned up to 70b is an utter waste. Building a plant and infrastructure that would eliminate the water issue for California for a very long time is not.
What Brochettaward said. You completely miss the point Corning.
In Corning's defense, investment in water infrastructure and enticing people to live in the fucking desert is kinda root of the entire problem.
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't beat his corpse (or whatever).
mad.casual|6.10.15 @ 4:47PM|#
"In Corning's defense, investment in water infrastructure and enticing people to live in the fucking desert is kinda root of the entire problem."
Disagreed. That 'desert' is there to be used as humanity sees fit. If we can afford to grow lawns in Bakersfield, go for it.
What's more is the gov't's failure to accomplish the basics of its duty. We have double the population that we had in 1975 and we haven't built ONE water storage facility.
Did the gov't poobahs think the rains are always going to be consistent? Or, like the budget, did they ignore the issue when there was enough and then whine when tough times hit?
meh
I am interested in the economics of desalination. You mentioned "put this in perspective" I was simply filling in that perspective because it was a subject i found interesting.
Yes i got the fact the trains in California are a huge boondoggle and a waste of money. I also get that California's water problem can be fixed by building up its water infrastructure.....and can be fixed with a far smaller investment then is currently being burned in effigy to the train gods.
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Nah. It makes much more sense to continue to give rice farmers nearly dirt cheap water because we can't have Americans eating Mexican rice!
Well, I live here and Kotkin is correct. This State has unreasonable policy and no legitimate plan on numerous issues: water, water storage, environmental, infrastructure, energy, storm water (it is the next coming storm), education, taxation, economic development and the list goes on.
As a middle of the road voter I don't provide my allegiance to any one party, but California democrats have completely and utterly failed the residents of the state. Every state representative should be voted out of office based on their pathetic record. Jerry full of Brown stuff, is doing a pathetic job.
My public agency employer just produced a new, state required, SWPPP - Storm Water Pollution Prevention Plan. We hired consultants to prepare it, monitor our compliance, and represent us to the authorities if necessary.
We had to have an agency wide staff meeting to make sure everyone understands it.
skunkman is right with his assertion that storm water runoff control is the next frontier in bizzaroland. Actually, it has been for some time already.
It's one thing to require that we don't allow contaminants such as motor oil or antifreeze to get into the storm drain system. It's entirely something else when we must prevent leaves and dirt from going there. Particularly when we are located right next to sand dunes which blow onto our parking area frequently.
This kind of stuff gives one nightmares. If I was a business owner in this state, I'd be moving out as soon as possible.
In California, our water problems go well beyond lack of market pricing and zero political will to pursue desalination. The California energy debacle of some years back and the current "Water Crisis" are of a piece. First, the State effectively shuts down new sources (by not approving new power-plants or reservoir/infrastructure projects for decades). Then, when existing infrastructure is overwhelmed or begins to rupture at the seams, the State declares "crisis," which gives them the license to do "something, anything!" In the case of the energy fiasco, they actually pretended to use "market forces" to deal with the shortage of electricity (as well as to allow importation of energy from other States). But there wasn't really a free-market in energy, and the rules of the "managed market" game caused dysfunction and implosion. The "free-market" being fully, though falsely, discredited in the public mind, the government was easily able to a restore a regulated utility regime (cronyist rationing). In water, I can foresee the State turning to a managed "water market" scheme that will not work any better than the electricity scam, and will only prolong our agony until we have no choice but to accept expensive, problematic desalination.
We need, first to look at how expensive desalination would be vs. creation of new dams and reservoirs. The word on the street is that dams are now too expensive to construct (which, I suspect, may be the result of mandated compliance with environmental regulation that didn't exist when existing dams were put into place). I will be surprised if any such tradeoff analysis will be done, much less offered for public consideration. I am sensing that "We the People" of the Golden State are being stampeded toward a forgone, pre-determined conclusion.
Whiskey is for drinking. Water is for fighting......a
t least that's been the case since the first white men showed up here in the Golden state.
Nothing's changed in over 200 years.
Pick up a copy of "Cadillac Desert" if you find this subject interesting. And, that's just a starting point.
ITS FUCKING SAND!!!! YOU LIVE IN A DESERT!!! MOVE!!!! MOVE!!!!
The thing you should know about the desert is that it gets lots of sun. The sun can't be pumped to crops or stored in reservoirs...also that particular desert has a fairly mild winter meaning a longer growing season.
Also being the desert means less biodiversity compared to lands with higher precipitation rates. Building homes in the desert has less negative environmental impact then building them in say Atlanta or Seattle.
Anyway as the video states California is engineered. The problem is not that it is a desert but that the engineering that makes it possible has not been updated to meet the growth it has experienced over the past 50 years.
desert don't have water, now STFU...
Lots of places in California aren't desert, especially North of San Luis Obispo. There's a lot more to California than Los Angeles. That said, altogether too many millions DO live in desert or semi-desert regions, and they survive because of engineering and technology. But the State, overall, gets a lot more precipitation than people think. It is just that we have tended to waste more of it (and by that I don't mean lawns so much as inefficient agriculture, the elimination or non-approval of dams and reservoirs, and allowing millions of gallons of runoff to simply flow to the ocean). I hope that the current water "crisis" will radicalize the population to toss out the obstructionist leadership that has been holding this State back -- actively crippling it! -- for decades. We can preserve our environment and the State's natural beauty, and even have population growth, without forcing people to live like monks or third-world peasants. Idiots and ideologues deny this "inconvenient truth" and have shouted down those who speak it since the 1970s.
Ayn Random Variation|6.10.15 @ 5:19PM|#
"ITS FUCKING SAND!!!! YOU LIVE IN A DESERT!!! MOVE!!!! MOVE!!!!"
So don't screw with nature?
Sorry, fail.
Anywhere that receives less than 10" annual precipitation is desert by definition.
Do you have any idea how much of the western states qualify for this moniker under that standard?
OR....maybe by passing laws like allowing trillions of gallons of fresh water into the ocean to save that little smeltie may have a teensy weensy thing to with it?
Oh, but it's not the fault of our brave Democratic representatives! California's water problem are due to Republicans and the climate change they have caused! If only we had elected a Democratic president who could save the world and stop global warming, then California wouldn't be running out of water! /Democrat
The leaves fluttering in the ghetto jungles note a Globe piano. And my homes a brain tornado where flat buttons severe worlds.
Here we go...enjoy the ride.
They could have used eminent domain to take privately owned land to build new reservoirs. And the crony capitalists would rejoice!
No need at all.
45% of CA, and that includes most all of the mountainous areas ideal for reservoirs, is owned by the feds; us, the taxpayers. Not by any private owner.
http://bigthink.com/strange-ma.....-in-the-us
I haven't bothered to look for how much is owned by the state taxpayers, but there's already more than enough.
The professor offers "But California's political leaders couldn't get it together to enact the policies that would have averted the water crisis."
On a passing note, that isn't the only issue that "California's political leaders" have screwed the pooch regarding. Given the nature of this political leadership, the mess it has created will, sad to note, likely continue,unabated, sad to note.
The water crisis occurred because environmentalists successfully had the reservoirs drained that used to get them through the dry spells. I did some research on average California has a drought about very 10 years. Here are some stats on the periods when California had a significant deficit in annual rainfall 180-85, 1917-21, 1927-31, 1944-51, 1962-65, 1973-77, 1983-88. The problems is with the exception of a dry here and there, this is the first really long spell the state as experienced since the 1980s and it is no surprise so many Californians think it is the end of the world. Many are simply too young to remember the last big drought. Politicians know they screwed up bowing the radical environmentalist and are trying to CTA. The simple truth is most of the southern part of the state is considered a desert because of the amount of annual rainfall. Palm Springs is celebrated for it dry, desert climate yet now because there is no water to sustain it, everyone is panicking. The largest reservoir drained in California was done to save the snail darter. However scientists now say the fish is likely to become extinct anyway because it cannot adjust to the changes in the water living in the river once again. Progressives have a wonderful ability to unsuccessfully solve one problem while at the same time creating one that is 1000 worse then the original.
And, I've lived through three of the droughts you mention here in CA. And, have survived the fourth so far.
But alas, my lawn - something that came with the new house that I never wanted but wife wouldn't let me remove it - hasn't been so lucky.
And, I live where annual rainfall averages better than 20". Not out in the valley somewhere where pea soup tule fog is as much water as they've seen in the last four years.
It's kind of late to try and save California, isn't it? Jerry Brown's father had it all figured out when he was governor, but the son, threw it all away, in order to placate the crazies in California. The only thing that will save California from itself, is to throw away all these liberals, socialists and communists politicians, and swear to whatever god they believe in, that they will never again vote for any of these people ever again. Then it will take at least 20 years to undo what these politicians have done.
http://news.investors.com/ibd-.....ivists.htm
-Here's whats really going on. It makes my blood boil because I live in the Central Valley and my grass looks like shit (going to install astroturf or fuckin rocks). The state has add campaigns that say "don't frown on brown". The governor is going on tv and telling people that they don't need to take a shower everyday. Its getting ridiculous.
All throughout Mexico, Central America, and South America bottled water isn't a luxury.
Being able to drink water out of the tap is a luxury, but poor people buy their water in a bottle.
I suspect people would buy their drinking water bottled and limit their use of water out of the faucet if people really had to pay a market price for water. They don't really want to solve the water problem though. They're worried about the political problem. They just don't want to make the voters mad by letting them pay the market price for water.
You want some real solutions for the California drought?
How 'bout taking all the progressives from NorCal and south through the Grapevine and shipping their asses off to some Bumfuckistan in central Asia?
They don't give a crap about anybody else's individual rights. It's high time they started making sacrifices for the "greater good".
OT - That didn't take long. The Association of Libertarian Feminists has blocked me and deleted all of my posts from their DerpBook page after only 6 hours. How VERY libertarian.
Shouldn't have posted those pictures of your junk.
l0b0t|6.20.15 @ 8:35PM|#
"OT - That didn't take long. The Association of Libertarian Feminists has blocked me and deleted all of my posts from their DerpBook page after only 6 hours. How VERY libertarian."
Dunno what you posted there, but H&R is a rare site. I haven't been tossed yet.
I merely questioned why they were reposting things from the SPLC (claiming a raging war against ladyboys exists) and Feministing (praising the nutcase who schlepped her bed around college), and I made a comment on the thread wherein they crow about Google bowing to activist pressure to censor search results for revenge porn sites; Pointing out that that whole problem is quite easily obviated by the simple act of not allowing someone to film you having sex. They do have a post about asset forfeiture but most of their energy seems directed towards forcing DerpBook to allow photos of female nipples.
The Association of Libertarian Feminists
We got one of those?
... Hobbit
They can have some of our water from Ohio. Rain has been ridicules.
Yeah - we've had a shitton in MI this year. Supposed to rain AGAIN tonight.
I can't complain - I shut off the damned sprinkler system two days after I started it. Our garden and all the flowers are growing like motherfuckers, grass looks great....
I'll take it. Better than fucking drought....although I'm on a well, and we back up to a creek, so we never lack for water even if it doesn't rain.
Why don't they divert water for irrigation without using pumps?
Because it flows downhill.
I must not understand the question, or sarcasm, but it doesn't seem like a very good question on it's face. Would you care to elaborate?
The video says that irrigation was shut down because endangered fish were getting caught in the agricultural pumps. I'm no farmer but it seems to me irrigation has been practiced long before there were electric pumps. I'm guessing the fact that they can't build dams either is the answer to my question.
No Cyborg tonight?
I hope he's doing OK.
I'm sure that's not what he's doing.
Wait a minute: 132 comments, and nobody has said the obvious -'
You know who else wanted solutions?
Sherlock Holmes?
No shit
I seem to remember a "final solution" that someone came up with, but can't remember his name. Maybe that was "Final Destination" though.
It can't have been the movie, there were like six of them.
Alsever?
Krebs?Henseleit?
Holtfreter?
Flory?Huggins?
AlmightyJB|6.20.15 @ 9:56PM|#
"They can have some of our water from Ohio. Rain has been ridicules."
The scare-mongering over water (WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF FRESH WATER!) is ridiculous on the face of it. Do the screamers think some aliens are stealing water from earth and scampering off with it to some planet or other?
I mean, there is, and pretty much always has been, X amount of water, excluding that which probably does 'leak' from the upper atmosphere and ignoring the amounts produced by burning petroleum fuels. The problem, like the problem with famines, is not amount, but distribution. Now, how do you promote distribution to those areas most in need?
Why, (all together now) PRICE SIGNALS! The market.
How do you make sure there's no toilet tissue and that water stays where it's not needed? Ask commie-kid, and simply presume the opposite of what he posts.
Hey guys, I have a real simple solution for California:
Let individuals and companies sell water.
I guarantee you it'll work. Just like it does for every other fucking state.
And every other good.
Ever see Micky Ds run out of beef?
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That actually makes a lot of sense to me dude.
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I've started referring to it as the "farmers' drought" when the drought comes up.
I have zero guilt over my water use and in fact I've increased it a bit with my bumper crop of tomatoes this year.
When people talk about taking "navy showers" and not getting water at the restaurant I just want to guffaw.
It's all a big joke on us peons while the farmers guzzle all the water using it to grow fucking iceberg lettuce in Kern county.
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BambiB|6.10.15 @ 10:10PM|#
"If twenty years ago they'd started kicking criminal aliens out of the state, they'd have a couple years supply of water."
Yeah, and no food and leaky roofs.
Did some(brown)one out-compete you for a job?