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[Libertarian]

And to make it even worse, as someone, somewhere on the intertubes pointed out this past week: all those millions spent for approximately 24 hours of games (8 home games X 3 hours).

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[Dweebston]

$2,160 ain't paying for that multimillion dollar venue, spambot.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

You know who else made taxpayers pay for mass entertainment?

[Sevo]

Caesar!

[Sevo]

The founding fathers; we got Congress!

[JeffreyinSandySprings]

yes that is turning into a three ring circus with clowns, jugglers, chimps etc...

[edcoast]

California?

[Sevo]

Everybody laughs at California and rightfully so.
But a big HA HA is due the taxpayers of Boston; yes, they outbid the SF bay area for the pleasure of paying for the circuses of the IOC!

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Hey now. California will be hosting the Special Olympics this year in Los Angeles.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Disclosure: I volunteer for SOSC and they are paying for everything through private donations.

[Sevo]

Pl?ya Manhattan.|1.30.15 @ 11:31PM|#
"Disclosure: I volunteer for SOSC and they are paying for everything through private donations."

You get a standing O from me.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Nobody wants to spend tax dollars on an Olympic Village for Retards*.

*I can say that because I volunteer for SOSC.

[Dweebston]

You get a standing O from me.

And a standing D from me.

( ?? ?? ??)

[Francisco d'Anconia]

I volunteer for SOSC

Which event are you participating in?

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

The one with the helmets

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Who wants cake?

[edcoast]

Excellent. I know someone from CSCI who is involved in that.

[DK]

You know who else made taxpayers pay for mass entertainment?

Churches?

[cavalier973]

Drat you whippersnappers with your long hair and "entertaining" churches!

[Dances-with-Trolls]

The Imperial Japanese Army?

[Raven Nation]

It is amazing/sickening that Japanese WWII revisionism isn't treated the same way as Holocaust denial (regardless of whether that particular event took place).

[Sevo]

I was told by a Japanese acquaintance that the period 1939-1945 gets a paragraph in what was, at the time, the official high-school history text.

[Sevo]

Sorry:
Chapter, not paragraph.
It was bad, but not THAT bad.

[Virginian]

My high school history text had a a few pages on WWII, but it was mostly presented as FDR worship. The basic theme was that if FDR hadn't had polio, he basically would have just jumped the ocean and punched Hitler to death. Except for the obstructionist Republicans.

[Sevo]

When was this current?

[Virginian]

This would have been 2006. Not sure the publishing date.

[Sevo]

Virginian|1.30.15 @ 11:32PM|#
"This would have been 2006. Not sure the publishing date."

I'm an old fart. HS texts when I was there ended about 1900; later stuff was 'current events'. Hey, I didn't chose it; that's what we got.
I'm surprised that by the turn of the century, WWII didn't get a pretty complete coverage.
Between that and the failure of communism, it's hard to find a larger subject in 20th-century history, unless you wanted to use WWII as the lead-in to the growth of government power.

[S. Quincy]

Polio didn't stop FDR from personally punching Hitler to death.

[C. S. P. Schofield]

To be fair to the Japanese, their popular culture does make reasonably frequent reference to the misbehavior of the Imperial government in China and elsewhere diring WWII, and also to the present power structure's efforts to sweep it under the rug. It pops up in Anime and Manga often enough to be a recognizable trope to causual foreign readers, at least.

[Sevo]

C. S. P. Schofield|1.30.15 @ 10:55PM|#
"To be fair to the Japanese, their popular culture does make reasonably frequent reference to the misbehavior of the Imperial government in China and elsewhere diring WWII,"...

I've yet to see this, but I'm happy there are some Japanese willing to question what seemed to be the official version (denial).

[Heroic Mulatto]

I'm just glad they used such pop culture historical criticism of Japan's actions in WWII to justify the 2004 gritty reboot of Casshern.

[Dances-with-Trolls]

Truly, they were evil as fuck and hardly anyone that doesn't at least causally study the war knows a thing about it.

[Calidissident]

I wouldn't go that far. I agree that their atrocities aren't as well-known as the Nazis, but I still think the average American has the general idea that the Japanese military was pretty evil in WW2 even if they aren't well-versed in the specifics (besides Pearl Harbor).

[Scruffy Nerfherder]

Not many are aware of Unit 731

[Virginian]

I would suggest that a good portion of the discrepancy in coverage could be explained by the academy's reluctance to discuss the evil actions of a nonwhite government when there is the poster child for the evils of white supremacy to focus on. The Nazis are far too useful as rhetorical club for the left wing to ever fade from public consciousness.

Every single student will know how evil the Nazis are.....and all will be able to explain exactly how whomever the most recent Republican President might be is exactly like them.

A hundred years from now brainwashed lefty college kids will be able to tell you how President Eytan Rothstein, R-FL is just like Hitler. They won't have any idea what a demand curve is, but they will be able to explain why their political enemies are Nazis.

[Winston]

The Japanese were opposed to Western Imperialism after all.

[Raven Nation]

The Japanese were opposed to Western Imperialism after all.

They were often initially welcomed as liberators in a lot southeast Asia. Of course, that didn't last.

[Dances-with-Trolls]

Funny how often that was a theme during the war. Evil oft will evil mar.

[Raven Nation]

Funny how often that was a theme during the war

Good point - Ukrainians welcoming the Nazis as liberators.

[C. S. P. Schofield]

I would also suggest that an examination of Japanese crimes againt humanity in China might lead to an examination of OTHER crimes against humanity in China (which, when you get down to it, pretty much describes every dynasty I have ever heard of, and a double helping for Mao).

Since our would-be Progressive Masters want us to think of Chinese Communism as Enlightened that Simply Can't Be Allowed.

[Calidissident]

Virginian,

Apologies for the late reply, I just got around to reading the thread again.

"I would suggest that a good portion of the discrepancy in coverage could be explained by the academy's reluctance to discuss the evil actions of a nonwhite government when there is the poster child for the evils of white supremacy to focus on."

I don't think this holds water for a couple of reasons - this discrepancy isn't really anything new - do you really think people right after WW2, after just interning Japanese-Americans, were more willing to downplay Japanese crimes out of PC sensibilities? Furthermore, couldn't one just as easily argue the opposite - that the Japanese don't get as much attention because most of their victims were not white?

Personally, I think it's more that the Nazis arose in a culture more similar to our own, invaded other Western countries (making them more prominent in the collective Western memory), and because their direct attempt to exterminate other groups (the Japanese did a lot of fucked up shit, but they didn't try to wipe out the Chinese or Koreans like the Germans tried to do to Jews, Gypsies, and others). Also, their story is fascinating in the since of a quick, meteoric rise, while Japan's story is one that lasted 70 years.

I have some more thoughts but have to go now.

[Raven Nation]

Not many are aware of Unit 731

Well, the US government has engaged in disinformation there. Few know that 731 was creating human-alien hybrids.

[straffinrun]

I've asked literally dozens of Japanese when the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki occurred and then asked when Pearl Harbor was attacked. 100? got the first correct and I've yet to meet one who got the second right.

[Virginian]

I've asked literally dozens of Japanese when the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki occurred and then asked when Pearl Harbor was attacked. 100? got the first correct and I've yet to meet one who got the second right.

Eh I think that doesn't mean much. The opposite is probably true as well: a lot more Americans know the significance of December 7th 1941 then know the significance of August 6th 1945.

[Sevo]

straffinrun|1.30.15 @ 11:53PM|#
"I've asked literally dozens of Japanese when the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki occurred and then asked when Pearl Harbor was attacked. 100? got the first correct and I've yet to meet one who got the second right."

Do any of them offer thanks to the US for ending the war and thereby saving millions of Japanese lives as a result?

[straffinrun]

I would ever ask them that.

[C. S. P. Schofield]

When I lived in DC, it seemed like every year some twit made a fuss about the Enola Gay being on display in the Smithsonian. And my Liberal friends would chatter blithely about how "insensitive" it was ? until I would say that we should put up a banner saying, in Japanese, "You rape Nanking again, be bomb you again, got it?"

[MiloMinderbinder]

X-Files fans are aware.

[Winston]

Japanese military was pretty evil in WW2

I'm sure Richman, Rockwell and Raimondo disagree. And Ron Paul would negate it by bringing up blowback.

[Chumby]

One can argue that the blownack to FDR's pacific policy was Pearl Harbor.

[Redmanfms]

One can argue that the blownack to FDR's pacific policy was Pearl Harbor.

I've seen the Rockwellian/Richman libertarian types argue that the attack on Pearl Harbor was an entirely reasonable response the US cutting off trade with Japan.

Of course, people who believe that are hypocritical retards, but whatever.

[Chumby]

We cut off trade while also funding China, with whom Japan was at war. Then FDR basically stopped negotiating with Japan (except for the Hull note).

The fact that the Pacific Fleet was moved to Pearl shows they did expect a Japanese response. Perhaps just not an attack on the fleet itself.

[Redmanfms]

We cut off trade while also funding China, with whom Japan was at war. Then FDR basically stopped negotiating with Japan (except for the Hull note).

Noted, applying the Rockwellian/Richman logic gymnastics to current events would place the US well within its rights to murderfuck the shit out of Iran.

Of course, Rockwellians and Richman obviously wouldn't agree because they are unprincipled hacks. Hence why I consider them hypocritical. They're retarded because their arguments don't even make sense inside the framework they construct.

I came to realize long ago that Rockwell/Richman hate the US and analyze foreign policy by starting with the supposition that the US is evil and anything it does is wrong and torturing logic to work backward from that position.

NOTE: I don't think the US should murderfuck Iran.

[Chumby]

I think the foreign policy is (tyically) evil. And its inplementation has avoided real consideration of consequences (blowback).

I think our support of the Shah and later Saddam was enough shit to dump on the Iranians.

[Redmanfms]

So you're one of the idiots.

Ok, good to know.

[Redmanfms]

I think our support of the Shah and later Saddam was enough shit to dump on the Iranians.

Using Rockwellian/Richman logic the US and the British were well within their rights to overthrow Mosaddegh for nationalizing the oil industry.

But again, we come back to the whole Rockwellians being hypocritical retards thing...

[Juice]

Using Rockwellian/Richman logic the US and the British were well within their rights to overthrow Mosaddegh for nationalizing the oil industry.

Derp. The blowback thing doesn't say that attackers are justified. It just points out cause and effect. It just says that if you go around "intervening" in foreign countries' domestic affairs, you might expect some "intervening" in return.

[Redmanfms]

And its inplementation has avoided real consideration of consequences

On that, though, I do agree.

[John Titor]

One can argue that the blownack to FDR's pacific policy was Pearl Harbor.

Of course, if you consider an embargo of goods to be enough to constitute a military attack, 'blowback' becomes a fairly worthless concept due to the extreme degree of the response.

[JeffreyinSandySprings]

agreed. I still don't understand how the Japanese got out of being prosecuted for the atrocities they perpetrated on civilian personnel and military prisoners during WW2

[VG Zaytsev]

They didn't

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes

[Akira]

A lot of the "scientists" involved with Unit 731 got off more or less scot-free because the US authorities wanted the information. As morally reprehensible as it was, experiments on humans yield some very valuable medical knowledge.

The United States cut them a deal, and treated the records as "intelligence data" instead of war crimes evidence.

[Michael Ejercito]

We Americans did the same for some Nazi war criminals (in no small part to keep the Soviets from using them).

[Heedless]

What was Operation Paperclip, Alex?

[Chumby]

Deflategate = NFL
Inflategate = federal reserve

[Dances-with-Trolls]

Speaking of, saw this on Twitter. Had to chuckle.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

I still can't get over that the Packers should be in the Super Bowl.

[BigT]

Maybe a terrorist will deliver us from the living abortion that is Seattle vs New England.

[Wasteland Wanderer]

Anyone who so badly fucks up a lead like that doesn't deserve jack shit.

[Juice]

The Seahawks really pulled that win right from their ass. That's why I see them getting creamed by the Patriots.

[cavalier973]

They're not getting creamed so far, although Seattle is discovering that New England is a bit better than Denver was.

[Sevo]

"Anyone who so badly fucks up a lead like that doesn't deserve jack shit."

How about the idjit who intercepts the pass and then falls to the ground as if time will run out while he's wallowing around?
He musta played for Wassamatta U.

[cavalier973]

Can't be as bad as trying a passing play at the one yard line on the second down.

[Sevo]

Related:
I wonder how much the grand tour is costing the Germana taxpayers? And are they entertained? You'll note they don't get a chance to let him know in person.:

"New Greek finance minister to visit UK, France, Italy"
[...]
" Greece's new left-wing Finance Minister Yanis Varoufakis will visit three European Union capitals next week to push the government's agenda for a renegotiated deal on its multi-billion-euro bailout, his office said Thursday.
Varoufakis will begin his tour on Monday in Britain, where he taught economics at several universities in the 1980s"...
http://www.eubusiness.com/news.....litics.zn4

[Dances-with-Trolls]

In the long run it might be the best thing for the EU or at least Germany in particular if Greece just goes and fucks the entire thing up for everybody. Might shock them into their senses.

[Winston]

Why is Gillespie so harsh on SYRIZA? The Greeks did rebel against their corrupt two-party system that brought Greece to disaster.

http://reason.com/archives/201.....union-a-re

For the sake of completeness, one could also discuss the policy ideas of Syriza, the Greek left-Eurosceptic group whose platform is based on a wholesale rejection of the 'austerity' allegedly imposed on the country by the Troika. But bad economic policy is not the greatest danger posed by illiberal Eurosceptics.

...Cuz the EU is doing such a great job fixing Greece's mess and stopping SYRIZA from coming to power...

[Winston]

The continent clearly needs a massive, 1970s-style deregulation, as well as stronger institutional safeguards against the unchecked growth of economically destructive rules in the future. Such safeguards may include the strengthening of the role of the European Council and returning to unanimity voting on significant matters of economic policy.

Yeah I see mass de-regulation sweeping Europe right now. And I'm sure those Eurocrats would just love to eliminate most of their power. And wouldn't trying to impose these rules cause a left-wing nationalist backlash? I'm already seeing quite a few leftist rantings about the EU "neoliberalism".

[Irish]

Jessica Valente is so dumb it gives me herpes.

exism is certainly nauseating ? the disgusting leers on the street, the discrimination, the violence. But those everyday expressions of misogyny could be seriously impacting our mental health as well.

A study published this month in the journal Sex Roles reveals that some of the sexism women face ? from catcalling and sexual harassment to sexual objectification and violence ? makes women generally more fearful and anxious. The researchers from the University of Missouri-Kansas and Georgia State University found a substantive "link between physical safety concerns and psychological distress".

So...the journal is an explicitly feminist political journal called 'Sex Roles' and shockingly enough they find evidence that supports progressive feminist views! Weird. It's almost like this journal is actually political propaganda that just pretends to be science so they can manipulate idiots into pretending there's more evidence for their position than actually exists.

(cont)

[Irish]

But wait! There's more!

When I spoke to Dr. Laurel B Watson, an assistant professor at the University of Missouri-Kansas City and one of the researchers in the study, she told me that one of the hurdles in studying the impact that sexism has on women's mental health is that women have normalized this fear and anxiety so completely.

For example, she said "I went for a jog recently, and I saw a guy in a van - and if I jogged past him, he could have opened the door and snatched me," Watson told me. "I had an immediate response to move to the other side of the van or to change my direction, I didn't think twice about it."

So you're a crazy person.

This fear and anxiety that women experience isn't simply anecdotal: women are 70% more likely than men to experience depression and we're twice as likely to have an anxiety disorder, something Watson,who has a degree in counseling psychology, says is "absolutely" related to living with misogyny.

"Over time, existing in a state of hypervigilance has a negative impact, and leads to a higher level of psychological distress," she explained. Watson also pointed out that the impact is much greater on women of color, who live with a different historical legacy of objectification and sexual violence.

Solid argument from assertion. 'Women are more likely to say they're depressed, therefore it must be misogyny! You want evidence? Fuck evidence.'

[Irish]

Holy shit, here's her conclusion:

Watson would like to see more studies done ? bigger studies, that pay close attention to the way that sexuality, race and other identities also impact mental health. So would I: we need to identify the link between sexism and mental health with great enough certainty that people can start to see sexism as more than just a cultural and political problem (when they concede that sexism is a problem at all).

So her explicit argument is that we need to start from the assumption that this is true and then make the evidence fit our preconception. So Valente is flat out calling for the creation of pseudo-scientific propaganda on behalf of her increasingly deranged religious cult.

[Almanian!]

seems legit

[d3x / dt3]

Is it possible that your herpes infection is, in fact, from the Stupid in that article? Further study is needed at taxpayer expense! Stipend, baby! And acyclovir.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

It's a good thing I didn't snatch her when she jogged by my van. She wasn't hot enough.

[Migrant Log Picker]

Social "science", I laughed.

[C. Anacreon]

I wonder if they believe that biologically-based mental illness (schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, clinical depression) is 'linked' to misogyny as well. Or if they are only referring to just the 'needs counseling' kind of 'mental illness'. Because if they want the former to be linked, they better start trying to link asthma, seizures, gallstones and kidney disease to misogyny as well.

[Sevo]

Hmm. Yes, I remember a citation to that article in the journal "Whiny Bitch".

[cavalier973]

Once I was sitting in my van, and I saw a lady jogger approaching, so I locked my doors, in case she tried to pull me out of the van and knee me in the groin.

Because that's what women do.

[Raven Nation]

Heh, heh: I read the opening as, literally, "exism" and thought this was a new bias where you single out your ex for public mistreatment.

[Hyperion]

Heh, the greatest debacle in the history of the NFL is when the Oakland Raiders selected Japorkus Russel instead of ... Marshawn Lynch ... oh, and not only that, but instead of selecting Adrian Peterson. Double fucking durr, dumbest fucking draft ever by a team ever seen in the history of the NFL.

[Dances-with-Trolls]

Ryan Leaf.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

MC Hammer

[Sevo]

Brian Bosworth, later charged with impersonating a professional football player.

[Winston]

Stone Cold is the Greatest Film Ever!

[Chumby]

He actually wasn't bad, he just wasn't the second coming of Dick Butkis. I recall him needing to retire due to a chronic shoulder injury (as opposed to say no team wanting him on their roster). The most played pro moment is of course the Bo Jackson touchdown, which was portrayed as making him look bad. Had that happened at the 50-yard line it wouldn't be talked about.

My vote: Art Schlichter

[Irish]

Brian Bosworth, later charged with impersonating a professional football player.

Brian Bosworth was a solid player whose shoulders gave out and ended his career after two seasons of limited playing time.

His career could have gone well if he hadn't been a physical wreck the whole time. That's nowhere near as bad as picking Jamarcus Russell over Lynch and Peterson.

[Sevo]

"Brian Bosworth was a solid player whose shoulders gave out and ended his career after two seasons of limited playing time."

If you pick a player whose 'shoulders give out' the entire time he's playing, you're good at excuses rather than drafting.

[JeremyR]

Kelly Stouffer. A terrible QB drafted in the first round by the Cardinals, who never signed. Even though he was a massive reach.

John Lee was almost as bad. Place kicker who was drafted really high and yet couldn't actually kick field goals in real games.

[C. Anacreon]

Whoever drafted Kelly Stouffer should have known that there's never been a good QB with a name that sounds like a girl.

[cavalier973]

"Jayne? That's a girl's name."

"Well, Jayne ain't a girl!"

[Mickey Rat]

Peyton is not a good QB?

[Pope Jimbo]

Pulleaze!

Demetrius Underwood. Shows up at first day of training camp in army fatigues because he is "going to war." Quits next day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimitrius_Underwood

In 2007, Charles Robinson of Yahoo! Sports listed Underwood as one of the worst first-round picks since the AFL-NFL merger. According to the article, Underwood missed most of his senior year, and his coaches at Michigan State warned NFL scouts that he was not mentally stable enough to play in the NFL. In Robinson's view, by ignoring these warnings the Vikings made "arguably the dumbest pick ever made in the first round."

Wikipedia is on my side. Science is settled!

[Winston]

What's the libertarian take on the Opium Wars? Free Trade Western Imperialist Drug Dealers versus Protectionist misogynist Prohibitionists.

[Sevo]

I'm not gonna be "the libertarian", but " Free Trade Western Imperialist Drug Dealers" doesn't quite describe government military support of mercantilist quasi-government agency in another country.

[Chumby]

I felt that decriminalizing opiates would have been an easier way to deal with the Taliban. Or the threat of such action to have compelled them to hand over Bin Laden.

[Agammamon]

Free Trade Western Imperialist Drug Dealers versus Protectionist misogynist Prohibitionists.

Free trade? Are you fucking high? Great Britain was mercantilist as fuck during that time-frame.

Nobody was allowed to sell to Britain unless their goods were carried on British ships. British wanted tea - the only thing the Chinese *government* would take in payment was silver, the only way the british could get the silver back was by an end-run around the government selling opium to the locals.

ALL of that was caused by government interference.

[Robert]

China was mercantilist too. The Chinese liked to smoke opium, but the British developed a comparative advantage by producing opium more cheaply in India, so China on aggregate was losing silver by spending it on imported opium. That's when China banned its importation, though not its consumption; it was protectionism for domestic opium.

[Winston]

Reason talks about "neo-Victorianism". Does that mean the US is going to go to war with Mexico and Colombia to make them legalize cocaine?

[JeremyR]

People who think the Victorians were prudish don't know much about Victorians.

Guns, drugs, prostitution, all were legal then.

[John Titor]

Orgasms as medical treatment too.

[gaoxiaen]

It works for me.

[Brian D]

One would think libertarians would at least be fans of the Patriots in that their owner paid for the stadium without public funding.

[Almanian!]

Uh, Tom Brady.

Full. Stop.

[Brian D]

Why would libertarians hate Tom Brady?

[Crusty Juggler]

Libertarians hate Ugg boots.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Apple bottom jeans, the boots with the fur....

[Sevo]

Crusty Juggler|1.30.15 @ 11:17PM|#
"Libertarians hate Ugg boots."

I didn't know that, but not that I think about it....

[Longtail]

Libertarians don't think you should be free to buy Uggs?

[edcoast]

Oh c'mon. That wasn't on the libertarian purity test that I took.

[Sevo]

Brian D|1.30.15 @ 10:29PM|#
"One would think libertarians would at least be fans of the Patriots in that their owner paid for the stadium without public funding."

I didn't know this and he gets a standing O from me.
Dunno about being a fan of the team, though.

[Chumby]

The local government apparently picked up some tens of millions for the other infrastructure improvements. But Kraft paid for the actual stadium.

[d3x / dt3]

Kraft is moving their headquarters to Israel.

So they can be Cheeses of Nazareth!

[Longtail]

He did ask Boston to build a stadium but figured out a way when they said no.

[Mokers]

Robert Kraft did build the stadium on his own, but only after trying to extort providence and Hartford into building stadiums for him first.

[Almanian!]

Ya'll should be watching the Key and Peele Super Bowl Special. That is some funny shit.

Fuck the government. Go Lions. Next year....

[Winston]

Fuck the government. Go Lions. Next year....

And then the Leafs and Cubs will win too.

It cost an estimated $430 million to build, financed largely through private money, public money, and the sale of the naming rights.

[Sevo]

Really OT:
Got a link from a buddy since we used to shoot barn rats when we were yutes. Here's a brain-dead Englishman who won't shoot the cubs, 'cause they're 'cute'.
Maybe he plans on not shooting them until after they've grown and bred in the hopes of more targets!: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAahmfL0BEE
See about 5:30.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Did you use night vision too?

[Sevo]

Playa, this was a LONG time ago; say '61. Night vision was a fantasy at the time.
I used a .22LR bolt-action rifle and we had a flashlight hoping to freeze them long enough to get off a shot, at the same time making sure we didn't hit the horses and cows.
Between the three of us, if we got a rat or two each, we were patting each other on the back. But there's no way we gave the cubs a pass; they were dead meat if we saw them and got a shot.

[Copernicus]

Col. Hans Landa: If a rat were to walk in here right now as I'm talking, would you treat it to a saucer of your delicious milk?

Perrier LaPadite: Probably not.

Col. Hans Landa: I didn't think so. You don't like them. You don't really know why you don't like them. All you know is you find them repulsive.

[Longtail]

All those "investments" we're paid for by local government seeking to retain or attract teams and the jobs they create. The individual teams are businesses and pay taxes.The federal taxpayer coughs up for the NFL and NHL which are charities. Every time you buy an NFL tee shirt or logo slippers the NFL keeps the proceeds tax free. That may change soon due to the public spectacle of beaten wives and deflated balls.
On a side note, the only time George W. Bush actually made money before he cleaned up in the Whitehouse was when his group convinced the city of Arlington to build a stadium for the Texans and then sold it.

[Sevo]

"The federal taxpayer coughs up for the NFL and NHL which are charities."

They are non-profits, and the federal taxpayer pays them nothing.

[Longtail]

Wanna buy a bridge?

[Sevo]

Longtail|1.31.15 @ 11:36AM|#
"Wanna buy a bridge?"

Wanna cite some evidence?

[Mickey Rat]

"Every time you buy an NFL tee shirt or logo slippers the NFL keeps the proceeds tax free."

And distributes the profits to the franchises which then pay taxes on it.

"That may change soon due to the public spectacle of beaten wives and deflated balls."

Why should a criminal act a franchise employee does on own his time have any effect on the tax status of the league?

[John]

What Mickey Rat said.

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[C. S. P. Schofield]

I wonder how far a city mayor could get by threatening to seize a team via eminent domain? Since owners LOVE them some eminent domain when it's time to find a site for a new, larger, more expensive, taxpayer funded stadium, it would seem to have at least an element of justice...

[John]

Sadly, those teams are worth near or above a billion dollars. You can't just take it via ED. You have to pay for it. I doubt any city could pull that off.

That being said, legally there is no reason why thy couldn't in light of Kelo. And it would be fucking awesome.

[VG Zaytsev]

Has eminent domain ever been used to seize business entity as opposed to real estate?

[cricket]

Get all the cricket 2015 world cup updates At http://www.cricket2015wc.net

[John]

I am picking the Seahawks today. Really, football is still about the line of scrimmage. Seattle can run the ball better than NE and can rush the passer and stop the run better. The team that does those two things better, usually wins. I bet they run Lynch down the Patriots' throats and dominate the ball and knock Brady around just enough to keep him from having a huge day.

[Irish]

I am picking the Seahawks today.

I like the Seahawks too. The only really dominant group that's going to be on the field today is Seattle's defense. The Pats have a better offense than Seattle, but I think the gap in offensive ability is smaller than the gap on defense.

The fact that Wilson threw 4 interceptions last week and they still beat one of the best offenses in the league tells me Seattle is not going to lose unless they beat themselves.

[Dances-with-Trolls]

I am picking the Pats simply because I would love to bask in the epic butthurt that them winning would lavish upon the internet.

[Sevo]

I'm picking the clam-dip. And the beer.

[John]

The butthurt of them losing won't be bad either. Boston fans are incredibly histrionic. They take losing like a bunch of babies.

[Dances-with-Trolls]

True, but.. Epi.

[Rich]

Just want to see a good game. Like the one that results from Jordan executing all its Islamic State prisoners if their pilot is killed.

[John]

That is how you deal with these people.

[Rich]

"Meh. Plenty more martyrs where they came from."

/ISIS

[John]

there is not an unlimited supply of the. They will run out of people willing to die.

[Dances-with-Trolls]

the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the mwhahahahaha

[cavalier973]

Hey! Stop using up the "thes"!

[Agile Cyborg]

Too many 'thes' from the fingtips is a sign of a creature that has traveled into very fast places and will likely never recover which is strangely beautiful.

[Agammamon]

No, they will not.

The problem is that the casual martyr is stupid. And stupid people are a renewable resource - they breed faster than you can kill them off. Even if you nuke the ME to glass, you'll just get a spike in the euros going on a 'war holiday'.

[BigT]

I am rooting against both teams. Overblown crybabies on both sides.

[John]

Jonah Goldberg is a very funny writer. This is from his weekly email this week talking about the Berkeley students who refuse to read Marx.

First let me interject by noting that the moment anyone says to you "We are calling for an occupation of syllabi," you can put your headphones back on and finish watching the latest episode of Gotham, because nothing that follows will be worth your time.

Anyway, they go on to gripe that Marx worked from the assumption that there are -- or were -- differences between men and women. The madman! The professor's statement in defense of Marx, that "women give birth while men do not," was enough to make some students flee the room, no doubt in search of a gender-neutral fainting couch. ("Don't look at me! I'm all man" -- The Couch).

This is like watching Godzilla stomp across Tokyo and your only complaint is he's not wearing pants.

[Irish]

Good God. There are no words. Marxism has killed tens of millions of people, but that son of a bitch was a sexist!

In the 1860's! Who ever would have thought that ideas on gender might have been different in the mid-1800s than they are today?

[Irish]

This reminds me of Mark Steyn's best article from the last year.

As Erin Ching, a student at 60-grand-a-year Swarthmore College in Pennsylvania, put it in her college newspaper the other day: 'What really bothered me is the whole idea that at a liberal arts college we need to be hearing a diversity of opinion.' Yeah, who needs that? There speaks the voice of a generation: celebrate diversity by enforcing conformity.

Oh, don't worry. There'll still be plenty of 'offending, insulting or humiliating' in such a world, as Ayaan Hirsi Ali and the Mozilla CEO and Zionists and climate deniers and feminist 'cis-women' not quite au courant with transphobia can all tell you. And then comes the final, eerie silence. Young Erin Ching at Swarthmore College has grasped the essential idea: it is not merely that, as the Big Climate enforcers say, 'the science is settled', but so is everything else, from abortion to gay marriage. So what's to talk about? Universities are no longer institutions of inquiry but 'safe spaces' where delicate flowers of diversity of race, sex, orientation, 'gender fluidity' and everything else except diversity of thought have to be protected from exposure to any unsafe ideas.

[Rich]

an occupation of syllabi

Like a pride of lions, right?

[Bill Dalasio]

That's some funny stuff. Little snowflakes don't even realize their entire argument against Marx's sexism is premised on a Marxian analysis.

[cavalier973]

No Superbowl thread, then?

[Dances-with-Trolls]

And support the rampant pro-war propaganda of the US Military-Industrial Complex Warmongering Racist Babykillers?

[cavalier973]

You say that like it's a bad thing.

[cavalier973]

It's nice that NBC is streaming it on the internet this year. I don't have to search out the weirdo pirate ninja sites.

[S. Quincy]

I watched last year's Superbowl on a Spanish stream. Hey, it's a learning experience!

[cavalier973]

Katy Perry is...jiggly.

[cavalier973]

Who is "Missy"?

[Agile Cyborg]

Well, you should at least embolden your keyboard with a sleazy fuck story about an imaginged reprisal involving a dramatic bedtime tryst with the jiggly missy.

[cavalier973]

And Seattle takes the lead.

The Patriots are struggling a bit. The footballs feel weird, like they're filled with air or something.

[S. Quincy]

Don't forget the 0.04% CO2. That fucks up everything.

[cavalier973]

Chris Matthews may be a lousy talk show host, but he's a heckuva football player.

[cavalier973]

The dangers of not tucking in your shirt is made manifest to all.

[cavalier973]

The Patriots won. Or, rather, the Seahawks made a stupid call at the one yard line.

[XM]

Why didn't they run the ball? Use up some of the clock?

The brawl at the end was interesting. Not baseball caliber, though.

[cavalier973]

It was the second down. Hand it to dude who had been running the ball all night.

[Sevo]

cavalier973|2.1.15 @ 10:47PM|#
"It was the second down. Hand it to dude who had been running the ball all night."

I'm Pete Carroll. I need a TD to win the superbowl and have 30 seconds left. I've also got second down on the Pat's 3 and a guy named Lynch who CANNOT be stopped in 3 yards by any team in the league! What do I do?
I become Meat-Head Pete Carroll, channel Jim Harbaugh and have Kap, er, Wilson toss an INT!
Don't be the Meat-Head Pete Carroll! Get dish!
There are people screaming for Carroll's ass on a rope in Seattle tonight.

[Suellington]

Even though I had fifty on the Seahawks to win, it was fitting to see them lose in the same way they beat the Niners. Why can't you just run the fucking ball at the one?

[Sevo]

I missed the post-game chatts, but from what I read Carroll thought a run was expected, so he thought he'd get cute and surprise the Pats.
Well, I'm no fan of Lynch, but the fact is no one has figured out how to keep him from getting 3 yards a carry even when they know he's running it and know where he is running it. Carroll could have "surprised" the Pats with a Lynch run for the win.
A commenter on SF Gate had a link to the Seattle paper's web site; the fore-lock-tugging and teeth-gnashing is amusing.

[Sevo]

I see the clam dip and the beer won.

[cavalier973]

GLENDALE, AZ?Having defeated the Seattle Seahawks 28-24 Sunday night to win Super Bowl XLIX, the New England Patriots reportedly provided an incredible storybook ending to the NFL's credibility. "Honestly, you couldn't have scripted it any better in a movie," said ESPN analyst Adam Schefter, adding that after a year rife with scandal?including high-profile domestic violence cases involving Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson, the league's ongoing concussion epidemic, and fresh allegations of cheating against New England?seeing the Patriots celebrate a fourth Super Bowl title was a fitting end to the NFL's integrity. "Given what we've seen over the past six months, this is the perfect way?really the only way?for it to finish. Unbelievable." Sources also confirmed that witnessing a smiling Roger Goodell hand the Lombardi Trophy to Patriots owner Robert Kraft was just the cherry on top after watching the final few seconds of the NFL's dignity and self-respect tick away.

[Agile Cyborg]

the preceding is a teletpye to future constructs on planets that consider earth a fucking fart... never name your fucking sporting activities on creatures that can be beat about the skull with an iron pipe and then suffer a resulting weakness.

Name your fucking team Jupiter or Rhino. These bitches cannot be beat with a pipe on the skull without your intense sufferage...

penguins, seahawks, pigeons, tigers, and patriots... well, a well-placed iron pipe upside the upside will fuck them up... that is all.

[userve32]

Dude makes no sense at all man. None.

http://www.BestAnon.cf

[Quincy, 12D]

New game: Spot the Cyborg!

1)Words are many, worlds are many more, if possible.

2)The polarities divide and conquer, coalesce and liberate in unimaginable fireworks of the mind.

3)Those things are lived and I don't know these times.

4)Oops, it appears the hold they have on us is on our skulls, and on the minds our skulls contain.

5)Bullets have waves, and waves have bullets: there's no getting away from the basic fact that something other than what we understand and term particles and waves manifests as both in an as yet uncomprehended equal measure.

One of these quotes is from our dear AC, the others Not.

[John]

I will just leave this here. Words really can't do it justice. Reason won't take the link. The bastards. Google "How to talk to you kids about Bernie Sanders". It must be read to be believed.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

This?

[Dweebston]

I managed two paragraphs. No. Fuck you, John. I'm having another drink.

"How to be a patronizing dweeb and exhibit your own ignorance in ~500 words." Either you're graced with tremendous patience or you, like Irish, are a masochist without a hobby.

[Viscount Irish, Slayer of Huns]

I may be a masochist, but I have at least two hobbies.

Last week I even went outside for half an hour, but I saw a bee, got scared, and decided cowering under my blanket fort would be the safer option.

[Viscount Irish, Slayer of Huns]

Goddammit:

Right? I know. For some reason he believes that women like me can make healthcare decisions with our healthcare providers instead of with our employers or the government. Weird. I know I personally prefer to trust the crafting of policy re: my lady parts to old men who wouldn't know a vagina unless they were renting it by the hour. But don't worry, I'm sure this is an anomaly. And by the time you're all grown up you can take your 76 cents on the dollar and pay your robot Dr. President for all of your gynecological needs. *starts sobbing*

So this woman favors a free market in medical care, right, since she doesn't want the government deciding what care she can and can't have?

Because if she doesn't favor a free market in medical care, she's just a delusional progressive who doesn't know the meaning of the words she's decided to use.

[Dweebston]

When

*starts sobbing*

appears in your article as a substitute for analysis or evidence, maybe you need to make another pass on your essay.

These people are parody-proof. Maybe that's been their gambit all along: make their movement immune to mockery such that every statement must be addressed earnestly, like you would a toddler's insensible babble.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

News Flash

Poe's Law Proven

[Bo Cara Esq.]

"So this woman favors a free market in medical care, right,"

Sure she favors a free market in medical care, by which she means an unrestricted market of practicioners to contract with free of any charge to her, because you and I are forced to pay for it. It's like a totally free market for her!

[John]

Yes that.

[Viscount Irish, Slayer of Huns]

Another thing that needs to be read to be believed: Feminist argues that when a woman says yes to sex, sometimes she really means no, so women are effectively being raped by society.

For me, and many others like me, consent isn't easy. Yes doesn't always mean yes, and we misplaced 'no' several years ago. This experience isn't random, but disproportionately affects oppressed communities. Consent is a privilege, and it was built for wealthy, heterosexual, cis, white, western, able-bodied masculinity. When society has taught some of us to take up as little space as possible, to take all attention as flattery, and to be truly grateful that anyone at all could want our bodies or love, it isn't always our choice to say yes.

[Dweebston]

Then say no and save you and your partner the hassle. He may be miffed about it, but given time he'll appreciate having dodged that bullet. You may regret wasting your youth having torpedoed every amorous advance, but there is no need to see people with your mental infirmity breed.

[Viscount Irish, Slayer of Huns]

Protein World did the world a great service when they told a whiny feminist 'Why are you making your insecurities our problem?'

That's really what the modern feminist movement is - I'm too insecure to say no to a sexual advance which means that the rest of society must change to accommodate my spinelessness.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

This guy "society" sounds like a real menace to the public. He's wandering around giving people excuses for their failures.

[lap83]

"Consent is a privilege, and it was built for wealthy, heterosexual, cis, white, western, able-bodied masculinity."

Subtly comparing her sexual wishy-washiness to being poverty-stricken, enslaved, or handicapped.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

A high-school graduate who thinks the universe is less than 7,000 years old has a better grasp on reality than a university graduate who wants to vote for an avowed socialist.

[Dweebston]

This. So much this. Creationists are nutty but their beliefs are ultimately harmless. Socialism has a body count.

[Gytrash]

Thanks to Mike Huckabee, you don't have to choose between the two.

[Slammer]

So who won the big foosball bowl thingoe?

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

The Dodgers.

[Gytrash]

Everyone who hates the Eagles won the draft.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

I hate the fucking Eagles, man.

[Robert]

What does the NFL gain by forgoing its tax exempt status? Are they going to run the NFL for profit now? Unless they're going to distribute those profits to their members, that makes no sense. I doubt the league shows a profit in most years anyway.

[Sevo]

Robert|5.3.15 @ 7:30PM|#
"What does the NFL gain by forgoing its tax exempt status?"

If I read Goodell's statement correctly, the "gain" is purely PR; they won't have to listen (and respond) to low-info folks whining that 'the millionaires get tax exempt status'.
He said something to the effect that it won't affect their operations at all, which probably is close to true; the filing for a tax-exempt org is pretty much as obnoxious as a for-profit org. The income will continue being distributed to the clubs.

[Robert]

It also means they won't have to make their filings public any more.

But what do you mean, the income will continue being distributed to the clubs? They haven't been distributing any income to the clubs, because that'd've been a for-profit oper'n.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Skinning a pig, filling the skin with air, and having a bunch of men kick the skin around while wrestling with each other, is certainly very fascinating, and will undoubtedly result in many monographs by future anthropologists, but here is something else that's interesting:

It seems that John Brown, John Wilkes Booth, and Abraham Lincoln were all inspired, in their actions, by the idea of a "higher law" superseding the written law. But according to this Atlantic article, only Lincoln was justified in his pretensions to follow a higher law:

"But Lincoln is not just a unifying national icon. He is a lasting example of the proper use of the higher law: that is, the principled pursuit of justice through a popularly elected government. Although lone-wolf higher-law types like John Brown and John Wilkes Booth sometimes have positive results, history has shown that the higher law of individuals can also be a slippery slope that leads to unleashed violence. At Gettysburg, Lincoln announced "a new birth of freedom" for "this nation, under God"?a higher law declaration. But in the next breath he expressed a firm commitment to preserving "government of the people, for the people, by the people." Even the most apparently virtuous aims, Lincoln knew, can be dangerous if they are not channeled through a democratically chosen government."

http://www.theatlantic.com/pol.....aw/385461/

[Gytrash]

Skinning a pig, filling the skin with air, and having a bunch of men kick the skin around while wrestling with each other, is certainly very fascinating

Don't knock it, dude. Some people enjoy that, others get off pretending that bread and wine is God.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

I called your religion "fascinating," and you reply by insulting *my* religion?

[Notorious G.K.C.]

And after the people at Notre Dame did so much to help out your religion, you'll insult *theirs?*

[Notorious G.K.C.]

When they stop referring to the "Hail Mary pass," football fans can start insulting Notre Dame's religion.

[Gytrash]

If Catholicism hadn't allowed itself to be watered down to the level of O'Doul's, it would consider Hail Mary pass to be sacrilege. It's a play that you only call when there is no alternative, because it's so unlikely to work. I doubt Mary approves of that association; she's probably stomping on Doug Flutie's face for all eternity.

[Gytrash]

Nobody's ever killed someone over football. Well, outside of Oakland.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Historically, most of the "killing over religion" has been committed by atheists, pagans or neo-pagans against Christians or Jews.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Even the Muslims haven't caught up with the commies yet in this regard.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

What is easier to believe:

(a) that an omnipotent God turns bread and wine into His own flesh and blood

OR

(b) that principles of liberty and human rights, principles which are superior to human law, arise independently of any higher power, in a universe where humans are the highest form of existence?

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Well, the highest form of existence except the ten-tentacled Fish-Men of the planet Jzxjkty.

[Gytrash]

Does your reigion require you to believe in false dichotomies?

Once you assume an omnipotent god, he can do anything by definition. It would be odd for him to choose to be chewed, chemically dissolved, and packed into feces, but whatever floats his boat.

So the real problem is how to believe there's an omnipotent god, let alone an omnipotent benevolent one.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

"the real problem is how to believe there's an omnipotent god, let alone an omnipotent benevolent one."

While I don't propose to solve the Problem of Evil, I can mention some considerations which Christians have mentioned in grappling with the problem (which, believe it or not, Christians have quite a history of doing).

A God of love who creates beings with free will is a concept one can grasp. But once free will is in the picture, all bets are off. If in His omnipotence, God chooses to create beings who can reject Him, then we can already see the potential for evil in the world right there, can't we?

[Bo Cara Esq.]

Not all evil things come from people's choices, as the recent earthquake in Nepal crushing children demonstrates.

[Gytrash]

You're presupposing that rejecting God is evil.

Regardless, if he cannot stop them from rejecting him (or more to the point, cannot stop them from doing evil) then he is not omnipotent. If he chooses not to stop them from doing evil, then he is not benevolent.

Don't give me crap about how he values free will either. If he valued free will he wouldn't threaten people with eternal torture if they disobey him.

[Gytrash]

This is, of course, David Hume's argument from centuries ago; if you haven't encountered it perhaps you should expand your reading before you embarrass yourself further.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Ah, yes, David Hume, who said theology books should be burned, not examined and debated on their merits.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

"When we run over libraries, persuaded of these principles, what havoc must we make? If we take in our hand any volume of divinity or school metaphysics, for instance, let us ask, Does it contain any abstract reasoning concerning quantity or number? No. Does it contain any experimental reasoning concerning matter of fact and existence? No. Commit it then to the flames, for it can contain nothing but sophistry and illusion." [emphasis omitted]

http://oregonstate.edu/instruc...../hume.html

[Viscount Irish, Slayer of Huns]

I like that you apparently think Hume was actually advocating book burning rather than engaging in polemical hyperbole.

There's a grand total of one paragraph Christians have been able to pull from the thousands of pages Hume wrote in order to argue his advocating the burning of religious books and that one paragraph could very easily be read metaphorically rather than as a literal argument in favor of book burning.

There are hyperbolic statements in the Bible which, if taken literally, would seem to advocate all manner of horrid things, but for some reason you never seem to hold your holy book to the same standards as its critics.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

No, I would ask any particular Christian tradition how they apply the bloodthirsty passages in the Bible.

If there's a tradition which interprets the Bible as a whole as endorsing a Just War theory, and teaches that in interpreting the Bible, we should adopt that interpretation which is most conducive to love of God and neighbor (as St. Augustine said), then I'll give that tradition some slack.

If, on the other hand, I see supposed children of the Enlightenment - eg, the French Revolution, and Francia of Paraguay, an unfairly neglected child of the enlightenment

http://ow.ly/MsIdo (Wikipedia)

Matching and exceeding any atrocities done in the name of Christianity, and when I see regimes whose ideologists denounce the alleged cruelties of the Catholic tradition

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T.....th_Century

While practicing the most horrid atrocities...

Then I see no need to cut Hume and his Enlightenment buddies any slack.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

I should also mention that Thomas Jefferson, hardly an ur-Jerry Falwell, wanted to purge the University of Virginia curriculum of Hume's English history for being too Tory.

[Gytrash]

Where in the digestive system does it stop being God, by the way? The duodenum? The pyloric sphincter? Surely it's not God all the way through and out into the latrine?

Midevil theologians would have been all over these questions, but today's Catholics are just not curious enough about how long they have God in the gut.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=222571

[Bo Cara Esq.]

I'm not sure what B is even asking. Is it saying that God gave us the ideas of liberty and human rights? I don't see why one would have to suppose that, they seem like default logical positions to me that most people will reach unless some baser interest pushes them not to.

[Viscount Irish, Slayer of Huns]

Although lone-wolf higher-law types like John Brown and John Wilkes Booth sometimes have positive results, history has shown that the higher law of individuals can also be a slippery slope that leads to unleashed violence.

This sentence is unbelievable. So believing you're following the will of God is only okay if you're involved in government?

And how exactly does this square with Rosa Parks and the civil rights movement? I mean, they were breaking the law, right, and weren't even allowing themselves to be guided by Democratic processes! According to the Atlantic, I guess Martin Luther King, Jr. wasn't justified in his actions then.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

There it is.

Asshole.

[Private FUQ]

I once thought you just over exaggerated Notorious and his need to inject religion into every fucking thread posted but I was wrong and I apologize.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

If you mean "inject religion into a thread where, in response to a joke about *football,* someone made a joke about the sacraments," then yes, you're right, otherwise you're full of shit.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Mendacious fucking cunt.

[Private FUQ]

No, I mean that he is correct and you inject religion in every fucking thread you post in. You have plenty of valid points but your belief that you must lead with your religion all the time just turns people off. I have no problem with people and their beliefs. I even avoid the insulting "sky daddy" bullshit that some atheists insist on using as an insult to intelligence. Religion has played an important role and has made the world a much better place in some cases. To me, fundamentalists who jam religion into every topic are just as obnoxious as atheists who treat the religious as unintelligent subhumans.

To be clear. I respect some of the views you have even when they differ from mine. You seem to follow the values of your religion and seem to be consistent with your religion. I can respect people who are consistent in their beliefs. However, instead of arguing the content of a thread you either insert a completely off topic post about religion or you spend multiple posts trying to somehow force the topic into your religious beliefs.

Seriously, try to spend a week staying on topic and not interjecting your religion into every thread. Is it appropriate in some threads? Hell yes. Does it belong in every thread? No. I suspect if you quit wearing your religion on your sleeve you might find people much less hostile to you.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

What I'm saying is that in this particular case, I mentioned football and someone else brought up the sacraments. I mentioned circumcision (I suppose that could be deemed a religious topic, but I'm kind of operating a tongue-in-cheek news service about the Civil War, circumcision and deep-dish pizza as a reference to H&R's favorite topics) and some other guy mentioned the Pope.

I suppose I could go over my prior posts and see how often I introduce religion into a non-religion-themed thread, but this is not really a good example of it since I was generally responding to others introducing the topic, especially in my football example.

peace.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

At Gettysburg, Lincoln announced "a new birth of freedom" for "this nation, under God"?a higher law declaration.

An ever so subtle, mendacious fucking cunt.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Charter school students in Loveland, Colorado run around on a field with realistic-looking GUNZ!

http://www.reporterherald.com/.....war-battle

[Bo Cara Esq.]

This is why we need the government to provide fainting couches.

[Rich]

Smoke filled the field as the Confederate and Union soldiers - in this case young students - squared off and let sparks fly from their weapons.

Talk about your contributions to global warming!

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Sometimes I wonder why I bother trolling at all...

This should get a reaction...

"For victims of botched circumcision ritual, penis transplants offer new hope"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....-new-hope/

[Warrren]

Let me troll you with a link where a libertarian says nasty things about the current Pope and the church.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

OK, I'll read it, but when someone starts out by saying:

"In an era when writers are discouraged from saying what they mean, this column will undoubtedly offend many individuals; if you don't like seeing sacred cows ground to hamburger, I suggest you don't read it." -

patting himself on the back for his "courage" in saying what most of his audience probably agrees with, he loses a few points already.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

"May 4, 2015"

For someone who attacks organized religion, this guy sure believes in miracles.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

OK, it would be nice if he gave links, but this is apparently the Papal statement he's criticizing:

(from the Vatican Web site)

http://ow.ly/MsFqF

[Notorious G.K.C.]

"[the Pope] denounced television, computers, smart telephones, video games, and everything else he could think of."

I'd like to see a link to that. You can start your search by looking at the Pope's Web site, his Twitter account, etc.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Here are some things the Pope actually said about modern media:

"Today the modern media, which are an essential part of life for young people in particular, can be both a help and a hindrance to communication in and between families. The media can be a hindrance if they become a way to avoid listening to others, to evade physical contact, to fill up every moment of silence and rest, so that we forget that "silence is an integral element of communication; in its absence, words rich in content cannot exist." (BENEDICT XVI, Message for the 2012 World Communications Day). The media can help communication when they enable people to share their stories, to stay in contact with distant friends, to thank others or to seek their forgiveness, and to open the door to new encounters. By growing daily in our awareness of the vital importance of encountering others, these "new possibilities", we will employ technology wisely, rather than letting ourselves be dominated by it. Here too, parents are the primary educators, but they cannot be left to their own devices. The Christian community is called to help them in teaching children how to live in a media environment in a way consonant with the dignity of the human person and service of the common good." [emphasis omitted]

(from Vatican Web site)

http://ow.ly/MsFVM

[Francisco d'Anconia]

And again.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Your detailed refutation leaves me speechless.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Refutation of what? You're a proselytizing troll.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

I know you are, but what am I?

[Bo Cara Esq.]

Got around to listening to the oral arguments for the SSM case, and this particular line struck me as something Damon Root should take up. It's by the lawyer arguing to uphold Michigan's ban on SSM recognition:

" we're asking you to affirm every individual's fundamental liberty interest in deciding the meaning of marriage"

A liberty interest in democratically deciding the meaning of marriage? Individuals have liberty interests, not 'the public,' and the public exercises this 'liberty interest' by making laws via democratic majorities?

[Notorious G.K.C.]

"we're asking you to affirm every individual's fundamental liberty interest in deciding the meaning of marriage"

As if that liberty interest is any any way under threat by the same-sex marriage movement! How paranoid can you get?

[Bo Cara Esq.]

I'm saying the idea of a 'public liberty interest' is incoherent.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

To be more specific, a 'public liberty interest in using the democratic process to ___' is incoherent. Individuals have liberty interests.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

The quote you gave mentioned "every individual's fundamental liberty interest," not a "public liberty interest."

[Notorious G.K.C.]

"Obama Admin: Religious Organizations Could Lose Tax-Exempt Status If Supreme Court Creates Constitutional Right to Same-Sex Marriage...

"JUSTICE ALITO: Well, in the Bob Jones case, the Court held that a college was not entitled to tax-exempt status if it opposed interracial marriage or interracial dating. So would the same apply to a university or a college if it opposed same-sex marriage?

"[SOLICITOR] GENERAL VERRILLI: You know, I -- I don't think I can answer that question without knowing more specifics, but it's certainly going to be an issue. I -- I don't deny that. I don't deny that, Justice Alito. It is -- it is going to be an issue."

(from the Weekly Standard)

http://ow.ly/MsJbz

[Sevo]

"Obama Admin: Religious Organizations Could Lose Tax-Exempt Status If Supreme Court Creates Constitutional Right to Same-Sex Marriage..."

Much as I despise Obo, that's hard to ague. Why should a group of people pointing to the sky be able to avoid the same taxes those of us who don't have to pay?
Now, like Prop 13, religious tax exemption should actually be a 'good start', but I've yet to see any bleevers suggesting my house be tax-free, since I. persuaded that morality is based on human knowledge and evolution. And I claim to be the 'pastor' of that opinion!

[Notorious G.K.C.]

(a) Obama isn't opposing the tax exemption for nonprofits (including religious nonprofits), he's suggesting that tax exemption be revoked for religions with the wrong political beliefs, and retained for religions with the right beliefs. You can do all the God-talk you want, but you can keep your tax exemption so long as you're open to same-sex marriage.

(b) Your sky-daddy worshipping neighbor has to pay property taxes just like you.

(c) If you want the benefit of a tax exemption, donate to American Atheists:

http://atheists.org/donate/tax-information

[Viscount Irish, Slayer of Huns]

Two shot at Mohammad art exhibit in Texas.

Who could have seen that coming?

[Rich]

The local chapter of CAIR, the Council on American Islamic Relations, says it is an attempt to bait the Muslim community and it is not planning to protest the art exhibit.

Don't blame CAIR!

[Libertarian]

If I'm reading reports correctly, a SWAT team was providing security -- so somebody saw it.

[Viscount Irish, Slayer of Huns]

They spent 10,000 additional dollars beefing up security based on the assumption that something like this could happen, but according to Glenn Greenwald Muslims have no power.

[lap83]

Considering it's Texas, I'm surprised it wasn't a civilian who provided the impromptu security.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

Breitbart is on the scene
http://www.breitbart.com/texas.....ves-found/

[Libertarian]

THIS appropriately named reporter is tweeting from the scene.
https://twitter.com/jobinpnews

[Viscount Irish, Slayer of Huns]

THIS appropriately named reporter is tweeting from the scene.

He may be 'appropriately named' but he's actually the son of Eastern Orthodox Christians.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

"The 100 people being held inside singing the Star-Spangled Banner to comfort themselves. "

That's a Pam Gellar event alright.

[Andrew S.]

As someone pointed out on Twitter, Pam Gellar is the racist that the left seemed to think Charlie Hedbo is. That still doesn't mean her event should be the subject of something like this.

[Slammer]

If someone came to shoot people drawing pictures I hope they're fucking dead. (the shooters, obviously)

[Moe Carson]

Racists like me could have seen it coming.

[Libertarian]

This was an awards ceremony? Judging from the videos, you Texans dress sloppier than us Floridians -- and that's saying something.

[Warrren]

Je suis Pam Geller!

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Seriously, let's see how many of the Je Suis Charlie people are willing to say this.

[Dweebston]

Considering how many on the left defected from Je Suis as soon as complaints about racism began circulating, anyone remaining in the movement will likely happily take up the Pam Geller moniker.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

That would be nice, but on the other hand, I think to some people Charlie Hebdo is more sympathetic than Geller.

Geller is icky because she focuses laser-like on what she considers (with some reason, apparently) to be the Islamist attack on civilization. When she mentions Christians, it's as objects of persecution. She invokes Ayn Rand and Atlas Shrugged.

Charlie Hebdo, on the other hand, is cool and hip, denouncing Judaism and Christianity alongside Islam, if anything denouncing Christianity worse than Islam.

The advanced thinkers can easily imagine themselves in Charlie's position - "impartially" denouncing all religion, being too cool for school, then suddently attacked by murderers who "happen to be Muslim."

Geller, on the other hand, focuses exclusively on the group which has a recent history of religiously-motivated murder, and seeks allies among Christians and Jews. She's uncool.

So, yes, I await with interest the reaction of the "Je Suis Charlie" people to this latest outrage.

[Dweebston]

Oh, no doubt. I'm just saying the Je Suis crowd wasn't any strong indicator of affinity for free speech principles to begin with.

[Dweebston]

If anything, it's an indication of how unaccustomed lefties are to letting a tragedy lay fallow. They jumped almost reflexively on the pro-speech bandwagon while it suited them, because terrorists have guns and they murdered people and even the left sometimes marshals on the side of decency, but then questions arose over whether PEOPLE MURDERED BY SAVAGES were sometimes UNKIND IN THEIR PROSE AND DEPICTIONS, and suddenly it became fashionable to critique the staff of Charlie Hebdo?not yet cold in their graves, mind you?and demonstrate their newfound sympathy for the barbarians who murdered them over exhibitions.

[Warty]

Islam is the That One Litigious Aviation Lawyer Guy of religions. Fuck that religion.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Because they both like sheep?

[Paul.]

So what are the 7th Day Adventists up to again?

[db]

yo

...

oy

[John]

http://www.breitbart.com/londo.....mb-threat/

Fascists.

[GILMORE]

lol

maybe the GG people have wised up and are using the 'victim-mongers' tactics against them. use
the opportunity of Chu's email to create a bomb threat, accuse the SJW crowd of terrorism.

Between the "BURN BALTIMORE, BURN!!" and this, the Salon-columnist crowd really is really going full-Weathermentarded

[Dweebston]

Gamergate is not about video games. It's a proxy war for far bigger cultural battles over inclusion and diversity.

That's a fairly honest portrayal of the controversy, although Ms. Dewey would differ on who counts as worth including and who counts toward their diversity quotas.

[Viscount Irish, Slayer of Huns]

And shockingly enough leftists begin blaming the victims of the Mohammad cartoon shooting!

Here's Max 'Gibbering, Semi-literate Retard' Blumenthal.

Max Blumenthal
?@MaxBlumenthal Max Blumenthal retweeted Geert Wilders
What was neo-fascist Geert Wilders doing at Pam Geller's "Draw Muhammad" contest in Texas?

That's the real issue here - that Geert Wilders was in attendance.

It's also hilarious that Blumenthal seriously believes Wilders is a 'neo-fascist.' It's always amazing how the Islamophilic left continuously shows itself to be monstrously ignorant of the subjects they choose to discuss.

[Andrew S.]

Oh yeah. The same crowd that said the attack on Charlie Hedbo was deserved are also all over this one for the same reason.

If only we had some kind of law or something here in the US that guaranteed a right to free speech. Maybe it could even make sure speech we don't like is protected.

Nah. It'd never work.

[Dances-with-Trolls]

I imagine that we are going to find out how many different ways "I believe in free speech, but.." can be phrased over the next few days.

[Sevo]

I'm waiting for PEN to deny membership to those who protested, since it's obvious that they do not support free speech.
And, if PEN choses not to, it's equally obvious that PEN doesn't either.

[GILMORE]

Y'all got to hurry up, I got to shit

[Paul.]

Charmin, pot pies...

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