Rise of the Super Drug Tunnels: California's Losing Fight Against Smugglers
"You can't fight markets," says David Shirk, associate professor of international relations and director of the Justice in Mexico project at the University of San Diego. "When a market reaches a certain size, you can't fight it."
Joe Garcia, a deputy special agent with the Department of Homeland Security and head of the San Diego Tunnel Task Force, would beg to differ. He and his colleagues have spent much of their careers doing just that, discovering more than 200 drug tunnels under the California-Mexico border since the inception of the task force in 1990.
"We want to make it so unattractive to do the type of work that they do, that they'll go somewhere else," says Garcia.
Garcia and his team are skilled at discovering tunnels and filling them up and have garnered favorable local press coverage on a number of big drug busts. But despite these high-visibility wins for Garcia's team, a recent report from the California Attorney General's office paints a picture of a California-Mexico border that's leakier than ever and reports that California has surpassed Texas as the nation's top methamphetamine entry point.
"For every mile of fencing we put up, for every extra thousand or ten thousand border patrol agents that we throw into the area, there's always some trafficker or some organization out there who's figuring out how to maneuver around those obstacles," says Shirk, who contributed to the Attorney General's report.
Garcia acknowledges that the team's initial approach felt a lot like "playing whack-a-mole," with a new tunnel popping up every time they shut an old one down. So, the team shifted its strategy and began targeting the heads of the organizations funding the tunnels, which reflects a broader shift in the U.S. war on drugs. Government efforts to systematically eliminate cartel leaders promptly destabilized the region and led to some of the worst bloodshed in the country's history.
"It was when the government decided to take on drug traffickers that the drug war became a literal war," says Shirk.
Decades of experience and improvements in technology have honed the tunnel task force's proficiency at detecting and eliminating tunnels, and Garcia's team has all but stamped out amateurish, unskilled smuggling operations. In this challenging environment, the most sophisticated and well-funded operations have cornered the market and see a bigger and better payout at the end of the proverbial, and literal, tunnel. As a result, the team has discovered numerous so-called "super tunnels" over the past five years: deep, multi-million dollar, professionally constructed tunnels boasting elevator shafts, high-powered ventilation, and even electric trains, possibly making them some of California's first ever profitable rail projects.
The technological arms race between law enforcement and drug traffickers has done little to shake Garcia's faith in the righteousness of his mission. He describes himself as the Dutch boy from the classic Hans Christian Andersen fairy tale, holding his finger in the leaky dike to hold back a flood until backup arrives with a more permanent solution.
"We know that's a long, hard road, and we may never be successful in our lifetimes. But we have to continue to lay that foundation down," he says.
That's one way to think about America's 40-year war on drugs. Another is to imagine a tiny tunnel underneath the border. You fill it. But another, bigger and better tunnel appears, so you assemble a special team of professionals to fill up tunnels and keep up with the professionals on the other side. And now, it's just you, and the professionals. You both learn and improve every time. The tunnels are getting bigger and better, but at least you're finding them. You are finding all of them, right?
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Obviously we have to build the fence down. Do I have to think of everything?
Sounds like we need to just let these guys build all our light rail for us.
Unions wouldn't like that.
Union thugs versus MS-13 - hand me the popcorn this should be great.
Sounds like a Lionsgate production. I'd buy it.
Scott Adams already made that joke.
Re-capture 'El Chapo'.
Lock him up in Alcatraz.
Wait.
This tread is a year old, man.
Geez, reason. I'm starting to feel like you don't want me hanging around on the weekend when you post weak tea like this.
Even not-so-free enterprise beats the Monopoly.
""Obviously we have to build the fence down.""
We have had the answer for decades people, but the Anti-Shark-Moat lobby would have you believe that DownBuilding is the only solution. These people want to outsource our Moat Building and sacrifice our National Security in the name of "Big Hole Diggers". I like to call them "Giant Holes", you know what i'm saying (LAUGHTER SIGN LIGHTS UP)
We have lots of underemployed sharks here in the US, just lollygagging around the shallows in the Carolinas, and I think its time we told the Underground Wall people that America is tired of their equivocating and anti-Shark attitude. #PutBorderSharksToWork
*stands to begin thunderous applause*
Can we attach laser beams to their heads? Or at least get some mutated sea bass? I hear they are quite ill-tempered.
I vote fembots.
Note that the comment is dated August 10, 2014. Reason put up a year-old article and left all the old comments.
And fucking Fisty posted first.
I still feel like the Shark-comment was germane.
its timeless.
It seems more so now than then.
I'd rather they do leave up the old comments, so we can avoid duplic'n.
And the hat trick.
GO 2016!
Admit it, you know someone working on the inside.
Since there are Mexican "immigrants" involved, wouldn't that be the same as "punching down"?
Maliki appears to be staging a coup in Baghdad after president of Iraq calls for his ouster.
The Left will blame the former president, the Right will blame the current president, and both will go lock arms to go charging head-first into more war for oil.
"More war for oil"
Are you trying to imply that the Iraq war was for oil? If so, what do you have to support that? I don't think we got much, if any oil concessions from Iraq.
The idea that it was a war for oil is utterly moronic. I actually heard someone argue that the ouster of Qaddafi in Libya was a war for oil, which is even dumber. Oil production in Libya has collapsed since Qaddafi was overthrown. If we wanted to protect oil production, we would have intervened on behalf of Qaddafi rather than against him.
The Iraq War was a bad idea but it has nothing to do with some oil conspiracy.
The US didn't secure any oil concessions, special pricing, first in line for purchase, anything like that. A shame really. Of course, not that it would be of much use now, with Iraq in the shitter, and a coup underway.
And the price of oil plummeting.
For all the effort we expend, most of the world should be paying tribute.
The Iraq war was waged because the political class needed to "Do Something" and Afghanistan wasn't quite sexy enough to assuage the public's anger. Oil, terrorism, Halburton, and WMDs had fuck all to do with it. All that shit came later. America was pissed after 9/11 and we were going to fuck someone up. Saddam Hussein was the perfect target. Familiar face of evil, good Feelz left over from Gulf War v1, mix in some selective reading of intelligence reports and it was unstoppable despite the host of very foreseeable negative consequences of the idea. If we had actually been hunting state sponsors of actual terrorists we would have invaded Syria or Iran.
What pisses me off so much about the "War for Oil" meme is that it gives the political class way too much fucking credit for forward thinking.
/rant
Maybe it gives them too much credit and is a vast oversimplification, but it looks like it played a factor in the most recent jaunt into Iraq. The major oil-producing city of Erbil was the subject of recent military efforts, far from the humanitarian aid sent to Mt. Sinjal. http://www.newrepublic.com/art.....-iraqs-oil
You're probably right that I should not go off spouting "more war for oil" without much conclusive evidence to back it up. Many factors were involved.
Yeah, America will eventually stop actively thwarting the Kurds attempts to sell their oil, than we'll be free to steal it all, by casually bombing ISIS vehicles and artillery peices. That New Republic article will probably make more sense then..
If the US cared about oil production, then wouldn't we currently be involved in Libya since their oil production has completely collapsed since Qaddafi's overthrow?
If oil is the reason for US military intervention, then why aren't we intervening in a dozen other oil producing countries, especially since some of those countries produce as much or more oil than is produced in Iraq.
If the US cared about oil production, then wouldn't we currently be involved in Libya since their oil production has completely collapsed since Qaddafi's overthrow?
Wouldn't they just allow fracking and oil production on Federal land in addition to more pipeline construction?
You mean the Keystone pipeline ?
That would be cheating Buffett out of $2 billion a year in railroad revenue.
And there is no connection between that and Buffett supporting Obama. None whatsoever.
Nigeria?
Oil would have been a better reason.
Oh, I'm sure oil was part of it - WTF other reason is there we're so interested in the region.
Judeo-Christianity vs Islam. Yes, it's that important to many. The Crusades have never really ended.
Some might say that the entire global financial model is built on the foundation of stable energy supply, so.. there's that..
Has anyone noticed that while the Islamic State shitstorm has been raging, gas prices haven't shot to ridiculous levels? In fact, they're still slowly creeping downward, or at least they did here in north Texas. You can thank expanded domestic drilling and fracking for that, though the leftists will never admit it.
People like to think the world is controlled by evil geniuses, when it is actually run by evil morons.
It's funny because it's true!
Who think that they're geniuses.
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Arguably, preserving the petro dollar arrangement, which is the keystone to America's empire, was a large factor in both interventions.
That's bullshit.
Well that's convincing.
Currency is fungible. I dont like agreeing with cyto but when he is right he is right. And bullshit is an easy call.
I once was working for a major, global corporation and reporting to a sr. Vice-president who, among other things, was running the company's expansion into the opening China market. During a conversation with her it became appearant that she either was not aware that the Chinese currency was not convertable or she didn't know what the word convertable meant.
I thought it was partially convertible.
OF course she knows. Chicks are all into convertibles. Especially the cute pink ones. Like a VW Beetle.
We didn't get oil from Iraq, and the countries, that did/do were - of course - against war in Iraq.
The first Iraq war had some connection with oil as it was to push Iraq back out of Kuwait, who were fighting over oil rights and slant drilling.
The second Iraq war was most likely due to hard feelings by Saddam who threatened to move the marking of oil away from the dollar, so the second war was more about dollar diplomacy than oil.
"There was a war, and there's oil there, so..."
That's pretty much the level of complexity you're going to see, never mind that if it was just about the oil, the army could've simply carved off the southern part (where all the oil is) and dared Saddam to try and get it back.
If ANY of the recent conflicts described as "War for Oil" in recent decades WERE wars for oil, how come we don't have the oil?
No. These were Wars for various political ends a lot more indefinable than oil.
Next time we go to war for oil, I say we keep the land the oil is under.
A return to 19th Century Colonialism has to be an improvement (from our POV) to the present mess.
God, if it was just a war over oil, that would have been fine (in hindsight, considering what happened since the war "ended").
Other than idiots in the DoD claiming that Iraq could pay for its own reconstruction with its oil (HA!) and conspiracy theories floating around involving Halliburton / Cheney, there was no real connection between Bush's 2003 invasion and oil.
There were so many reasons circulated by the administration regarding the 2003 invasion. Somebody spent a good chunk of time researching the issue and came up with about 15 discrete reasons (and many more permutations of them).
Bushes fault
"Irish|8.10.14 @ 7:31PM|#"
Who's this asshole and why are his opinions so terrible?
So this is from a year ago, and Maliki did not seize power. Was there any truth to this?
I don't know what ended up happening there. The story kind of fizzled out.
As a result, the team has discovered numerous so-called "super tunnels" over the past five years: deep, multi-million dollar, professionally constructed tunnels boasting elevator shafts, high-powered ventilation, and even electric trains, possibly making them some of California's first ever profitable rail projects.
Burn.
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Damnit that was my joke... But you made it funny
Burn.
Sounds like a plan. Any particular accelerant you're partial to? I like napalm; it sticks to thugs.
Nice.
Joe Garcia, well paid and seasoned professional.. absolutely dedicated to plugging holes in the drug war's failing dikes..
It's hard for me to believe anyone could still be that ignorant about the WOD. I really don't think it's about prohibition any more if it ever was. It's about creating a police state and it's about money.
It's a moral issue. Those on the front of the drug war really do believe they're making the world better by punishing those who seek pleasure by seeking artificial highs. Natural highs, like those a person gets when they storm the wrong house and punch children in the face, are much more moral to them.
I have said before that using the national guard to fuck with citizens was all the rage for 100+ years, but.. became un-fashionable after Kent state. The W.O.D gave the fedgov seemingly plausible cover to funnel fealty buying grants, and later.. actual military hardware.. and gave all too willing state and local law enforcement organizations the authorization and zeal to abuse those "gifts".. Police state, indeed..
Using the national guard to shoot hippies is starting to become awfully attractive after all this business in Missouri.
Everything's about money, so yeah. Just ask any cop or corrections officer union.
The New Yorker: Hey, you know what's a great idea? A three day work week.
Stupid commie bitch. Go back to the USSR!!
Better yet, get unemployed: 0 workdays, 7 day weekend, gov't welfare check. What's not to love?
...and if everyone were unemployed, think of how many jobs would be available!
a four-day weekend would improve quality of life, promote the development of other occupations, and healthier and more productive employees.
Obviously.
I guess part of that's true. A three day work week would push everyone into a second or third job, thus promoting the development of other occupations.
Why not a 3 hour workweek?
Yeah, I love that leftists whine about the loss of American manufacturing jobs and then say things like 'let's have a three day work week.' No manufacturer would EVER open in America if they could get an additional two days of productivity in other countries. It would eliminate the manufacturing sector entirely and hamstring the service sector.
I love that leftists whine about the loss of American manufacturing jobs
Or how they spent decades bemoaning those jobs as menial labor. Not to mention spending decades condemning office jobs as some soulless conformity and now wanting more of them. Or ridiculing the small farmers as a bunch of backwards hicks and now bemoan the loss of the family farm.
It's almost like leftists don't know what they want and basically just whine about the current state of affairs without considering the consequences of their actions.
And we can't forget how they on one hand want the poor to get more stuff and on the other bemoan our polluting, fat, consumerist society.
It's almost like leftists don't know what they want and basically just whine about the current state of affairs without considering the consequences of their actions.
That way they hide what they really want. Or they have totally forgotten what the socialists of old actually wanted and now just say random things.
I mean the socialists of old explicitly wanted to get rid of capitalism.
And the Populists and the Progressives (the Western ones in particular) of old had a thing for the farmers and small businessmen and thought that TOP MEN would save them from Big Business.
A amnufacturer could just run two shifts and actually get a lot more productivity than one 40 or 50 hour labor force.
"It would eliminate the manufacturing sector entirely and hamstring the service sector"
Stop. Stop. You're likely giving Tony and AmSoc boners with statements like that.
14 hour days ?
14 hour days ?
"The New Yorker"
People still refer to the NY'r (and I think robby said it the other day) as being some kind of "eminient" journal of the elite-intelligentsia in America.
Honestly, i think its been nothing but "Pretentious-Retarded" for the last decade+ (I credit Remnick for turning into nothing but Prog fluffery... basically, a slightly more-erudite Salon)
The shit they publish is so simultaneously brain-dead & yet-impressed-with-itself, that you can't help but marvel at the thickness of their bubble-walls. They are the same mindset as the NYT op-ed pages, only taken to ludicrous extremes.
"Irish|8.10.14 @ 10:01PM|#
The New Yorker: Hey, you know what's a great idea? A three day work week."
Even back then I completely avoided discussing the actual article.
I'm such a scamp.
Your old twitter feed seems to be very Jew-centric.
Fuck, I guess I'm an anti-semite too.
I can hardly keep up with all the bigotries I have.
AND you want to throw Christian bakers in jail with gay marriage. You're just so evil Irish.
I would be for this for all government jobs assuming several concessions were made. No Holidays, total maximum vacation days are three days per year that do not roll over, sick days on major holidays or right before or after vacation days require a doctor's note (fraduantly taking a sick day results in an immediate firing with no benefits), and government offices are open 365 days a year (three day work weeks are set up so the office is always staffed).
The guy actually says that all the effort and money is simply to shift the smugglers elsewhere, like that made any real difference.
Watching those cops go down the holes reminded me of tunnel rats and the tunnels of Cu Chi. If the cartels ever decide to defend their tunnels in the face of US pressure, it is going to get very ugly, very fast.
OT: Sickest commercial EVAR!!1!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGZpWOMGJCM
Even sharks want to swim in the Red Sea.
So can someone explain to me what "social liberalism" actually means especially when used by Reason in those polls? Is it just euphemism for pot, gay marriage and abortion? What about anti-discrimination, Rape and transsexuals?
Huh?
He doesn't even understand his own humbug.
You Know Reason rupe polls? About how millenials as socially liberally and fiscally moderate? Tying into the Libertarian Moment stuff?
Question for you Winston...
What's the difference between a conservative and a libertarian?
So you're ignoring my question. What does socially liberal mean? To a libertarian and to a Democrat it means different things. Are the Democrats "socially liberal"? Would say eliminating anti-discrimination laws be "socially liberal"? Do teh yutes support that?
I don't understand your confusion. A quick layman's definition of a libertarian has always been fiscally conservative and socially liberal as conservatives support economic liberty and liberals support social liberty. IN GENERAL.
So yeah, legalizing drugs, sexual liberty, prostitution, gambling...you know...LIBERTY.
And for the hundredth fucking time, libertarians have no position on abortion.
So are you being intentionally obtuse or are you just fucking stupid?
In fairness, libertarians aren't fiscally conservative and socially liberal, they're fiscally libertarian and socially libertarian. Libertarian social arguments are vastly different from leftist social arguments and the same goes for fiscal issues and conservatives. The fact that there is an overlap doesn't change the fact that libertarians aren't actually much related to left/right wing politics.
And that's why I said "layman's definition". If you're attempting to give the quick position of what libertarianism is, to your average idiot on the street (or are polling them), thats what you use.
And Winston is just being his usual dickhead self.
That layman's definition was fairly good 40 yrs. ago, not today. "Socially tolerant, fiscally thrifty" as applied to gov't policy would be closer to the mark.
Libertarian social arguments are vastly different from leftist social arguments and the same goes for fiscal issues and conservatives.
Yes this. Leftists think forcing their views on people is a socially liberal act while libertarians think that not doing so is a socially liberal act.
And as for economics the only "fiscal conservative" thing most conservatives have been doing for the past century or so is not growing the state as much as what the left wants.
No shit. So you can't distinguish the differences between when you are simplifying for the layman and when you are speaking to a person versed in libertarian principle?
Positions overlap. How you arrive at that position does not. What, exactly is your issue, other that you hate Reason and are being a dick?
What, exactly is your issue, other that you hate Reason and are being a dick?
'Cause Reason keeps going on about the libertarian moment? Something that is at best overly presumptive and at worst delusional? Can libertarians even pass a budget that actually reduces the federal debt, something that hasn't been done since Eisenhower's time?
And has there been a budget in the last decade? Hasn't there not been a budget since 2007 or has there been one
There is no doubt in the fucking world that libertarianism is on the uptick. We are FUCKING CLEARLY in a libertarian moment.
Because we aren't able to pass a budget means things aren't improving?
You are being a fucking dickhead.
There is no doubt in the fucking world that libertarianism is on the uptick. We are FUCKING CLEARLY in a libertarian moment.
So would you call 1964 the Goldwater moment? Or 1968 the George Wallace moment? Or 1984 the Gary Hart moment?
You just continue on being a dickhead Winston. Beacuz you hatez teh Nickz!
Idiot!
You've been drinking tonight, haven't you, FdA? 🙂
Beacuz you hatez teh Nickz!
Uh-huh, is that you Obama?
Thing is social liberal seems like a meaningless buzzword. Libertarians would think that not forcing people to provide birth control is a socially liberal act while progs would consider forcing people to provide birth control to be a socially liberal act.
http://reason.com/archives/201.....y-unclaime
They see themselves as similar to President Barack Obama on social issues, but actually closer to Republican Gov. Chris Christie on economics.
So Obama is social liberal then? He supports forcing his views on others so doesn't that not make a social liberal?
Then there is the fact that social liberalism originally referred to crypto-socialism.
No, forcing people to provide birth control is a fiscally liberal act. A policy diametrically opposed to libertarian principle. There is no overlap.
A lot, it will take a book to explain.
gay pot and mirage abortion
"You can't fight markets,"
It's as true for immigration as drugs.
Google and Yahoo are joining forces to create a tool that will encrypt messages sent and received between users.
According to The Wall Street Journal, the two tech giants will create a tool based on PGP encryption that will encrypt data contained in messages, but not the sender/receiver's emails or the subject line.
They're also hoping to add mobile functionality. I like to imagine that the tech giants are quietly fighting an anti-surveillance Cold War against the government with one hand while appearing to co-operate with the other.
http://www.dailytech.com/Googl.....36367c.htm
Ferguson is burning.
You Know Who Else shot at Missourians government officials in blue uniforms?
Moonshiners?
Quantrill's Raiders?
Nice to see the commenters at twitchy going right to the race angle. I was afraid they'd let me down.
roccolore ? 5 minutes ago
How do blacks protest against violence? With more violence.
From the riot post
Mark1971 ? an hour ago
"No justice no peace" means "Free TV's" in Ebonics.
Matthew Koch ? an hour ago
These people deserve everything that's coming their way.
They are no different than the Palestinians.
They try and egg on the opposition just so that the cops are forced to defend themselves, all in the hopes that they score a propaganda coup.
lil green baseballs ? an hour ago
If Obama had a son, he would look just like one of those looters.
I wonder why the red team has such trouble attracting minority voters...
Yeah, I agree with them that the riot is fucktarded, counterproductive, and an example of mob rule and stupidity, but the racist comments from the right on this are pretty insane. I've seen plenty of black people complaining and attacking the rioters.
"Yeah, I agree with them that the riot is fucktarded, counterproductive, and an example of mob rule and stupidity, but the racist comments from the right on this are pretty insane. I've seen plenty of black people complaining and attacking the rioters."
Yet another quote of mine attacking white racists which Bo assures me never happens.
Ah, memories.
Exactly what I'd expect from a Koch brother
Don't want looters on our team anyway.
How do whites protest against violence? Bend over.
Isn't it true now that you can go down to Mexico and smoke crack, smoke meth, or shot smack, so long as you don't hold too much in your hand, and have it be legal? Maybe the motel rooms with vomit-stained pillows give pause to the mass emigration, or not being able to speak the spanish well enough to get a proper deal.
Good morning, my "more conservative" brothers:
"What Republicans do have to be worried about is [voters] turning to a more conservative, third-party candidate," the pollster said, pointing to Montana's 2012 Senate race, which saw a victory for Democrat Sen. Jon Tester. Jensen attributed Tester's win to a split among GOP voters between the Republican and Libertarian candidates.
Like it or not, you're all a bunch of "right wing extremists". How does it feel to be "more conservative" than the typical Republican?
SFed the link.
My apologies
http://www.politico.com/story/.....Page2.html
Where's Sheldon Richman to talk about the good old pre-New Deal days when libertarians were leftists and allied with anti-statists like Eugene Debs and Tom Watson who thought Grover Cleveland and Alton Parker were fiscally irresponsible statists?
Uans uppona taim uasa dise boi. Neimesse Giacchi. Nise boi. Live uite ise mamma...
Not my fault statism is expensive.
"You can't fight markets," says David Shirk, associate professor of international relations and director of the Justice in Mexico project at the University of San Diego. "When a market reaches a certain size, you can't fight it."
Barack Obama's on the phone. He's got an issue with your suggestion that you "can't fight markets", and he's mumbling something about an 'ay cee ay'... not sure what that is.
Oh, and Krugman's on line 2, all he said was, "Wanna bet?"
The legislators, and law enforcement can whimper and cry about the lack of success in fighting the WOD, but on both sides, thanks to the never ending supply of money that is being laid out, and the enormous profits that are being made, one has to wonder if anyone really wants to end the WOD.
When are the pussies here at Reason going to address what is happening on the border? This drug tunnel is a side show. The lawlessness we are seeing on the border right now is a Libertarian's dream. What of it? Do you like how it is going so far assholes?
You mean the lawlessness because of the drug prohibition. Was it also libertarians to blame for all the lawlessness when the USA banned alcohol ?
Amazing! Some tunnels even have railroads 😀
At least they're not shooting rockets at National City and Chula Vista...yet.
+20 Shekels
The solution to the tunnels is not to close them but to booby-trap them with explosives or poison gas.
I still don't understand who would smuggle Mexican beat weed into California, which grows far better pot.
If the Mexican weed is cheaper, there's a segment of the market that would choose that over the more expensive weed that the hipster kids buy.
-jcr
Has anyone contacted the Israelis?
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How bout securing the border?
As I recall, The Onion already covered this story.
-jcr
Booby trap the tunnels. Fill them with claymore mines or big bug bombs and gas the smugglers. They will get the message,
Yeah, the hardened criminals in the Mexican drug cartels will surely roll over if we just step up the WOD a bit. Very insightful.
60,000 dead in Calderon's drug war didn't stop the cartels. I doubt some claymores would, either.
Gotta love putting up a year-old article and leaving all the old comments.
Including the spam...
I sort of like it, once in a while. This one is a reminder that Winston has been whining for well over a year.
Yeah, I didn't realize he'd been around that long.
And just think: many people want to have the government based on articles that are even older!
OT: Local left-wing website that publishes ridiculous cuba apologias like this:
http://wonkette.com/569510/our-man-in-havana
also has an online store filled with pro-Communist propaganda and Elizabeth Warren posters that look like they came from a Stalinist yard sale:
http://wonkettebazaar.com/shop/
I think it's cute that modern leftists can be unrepentant followers of mass murderers and never get called out on it.
I may actually buy one of these:
http://wonkettebazaar.com/shop.....na-oh-man/
Keep it as proof when later on her supporters swear she isn't a communist.
I...I never wanted to think of Warren in that way.
What kind of sick pervert would make Warren into a sex symbol.
This guy.
I'd like to Tecumseh-er, if you get my drift.
So you want to Sackavayjayjay her?
I think you're confusing sex symbols with hate fucking.
Five months later and that's still funny. Nice job, handsome.
What kind of sick pervert would make Warren into a sex symbol.
You can say that again.
If Libertarians are ever going to win elections, you need to pitch a big tent even for people you find repulsive.
Bo?
Why is it if you scratch any lefty you find a person of low character? Liars and Grifters all.
Apparently that website is funded by begging, apparently very successful begging. She blows all the money on shiny toys and traveling vacations.
http://wonkette.com/593111/ann.....uitterthon
"In the future, we'll be traveling to places like Iowa (boring) and New Hampshire (lame) and Oklahoma (okla-AWESOME!) and the conventions and other states too, also, because otherwise it is not a business expense, ABOLISH THE IRS JUST KIDDING NO REALLY JUST KIDDING I LIKE THE GOVERNMENT TO PROVIDE SERVICES FOR ME AND MY COUNTRY YAY ALSO IT REALLY IS FOR BUSINESS I SWEAR! It's not like we bought a mobile command boat."
Is Rebecca Schoenkopf the worst writer in America? Discuss.
Tony confirmed?
Why is it if you scratch any lefty you find a person of low character? Liars and Grifters all.
Just look at the morals (or rather lack thereof) of the philosophy. It's based upon the worship of the initiation of force. I'll give the benefit of the doubt to those who follow the Free-Shit-Brigade without thinking it through, but those who understand it and still follow it are another matter.
I can't even figure out what that is.
"Elizabeth Warren posters that look like they came from a Stalinist yard sale"
Ha ha, Irish, why do you keep exaggerating, I'm sure it's not...
[looks at poster]
WTF
Well, at least Warren looks hot. But I suppose she'd look hot in a female concentration camp guard outfit, too.
It isn't really worse than this:
http://www.allposters.com/-sp/.....75457_.htm
That one had all of the right dog-whistles so that his hardcore supporters knew exactly what it meant. They just couldn't be as explicit as the Warren poster. The first time I saw it I thought it was an accusation by his opponents that Obama was a communist. Then I found out that it was, in fact, an official poster of the Obama campaign.
As Bezmenov said, "Useful idiots."
Even if they were grabbed by the hair and shown the piles of the dead they wouldn't accept it as true. They're demoralized.
They never intended for there to be piles of dead. The logical conclusion of that which they espouse could not their fault because they never intended it. They have good intentions. They intend to create equality and happiness. They intend to eliminate greed and envy. They intend to change human nature.
This is how they pave the Road To Hell.
It is how they upgrade the Road To Hell into a Superhighway that no amount of traffic can congest.
My first thought was that the Warren poster/communist stuff may be ironic because they're making fun of people who call them Communists, but Wonkette has published a lot of stuff actively supporting the Castros and Che Guevara. That website really is a sewer. They're the left-wing equivalent of neo-Nazis and no one calls them out for their support of violent mass murder and torture because they write in this ridiculous and innocuously cutesy manner and they're also leftists and therefore must not be criticized as much as they deserve.
I can't even tell the difference anymore with their ilk. It's probably a little of both.
Should't that merchandise be free?
Even funnier - they outright admit the shirts are made in Honduras.
I have a slight suspicion those Honduran shirt makers aren't working in factories that comply with the labor standards the leftists at Wonkette support.
No, they always charge a token fee. Like the 10 cent subway fare in East Berlin.
What do you mean, never get called out on it? What do you think you're doing? Don't belittle yourself.
Has anyone here seen Antman? Is it any good?
I didn't see Antman, he was too small.
Ha ha HA!! that's funny.
I liked it. It's got a lot of funny moments and some cleverly-contructed action scenes, which is refreshing compared to the OH SHIT LOOK AT HOW MUCH ACTION WE CAN FIT ON THE SCREEN AT ONCE, as fun as that can be now and then.
Antman isn't here, man.
No..I'm Antman, man.
I heard it was good. Went to see Mad Max yesterday. It was awesome. Charlize Theron stole the show.
What caused this spacetime anomaly? Was it gay marriage?
There really needs to be a petition for resumption of Weekend Open Threads.
Do they really want the articles they post over the weekend to be littered with "European Female Athlete-Softcore-Porn"-exhibits, Agile Cyborgs mescaline-binges, and Michael Hinh's deranged sniggering?
Wouldn't they prefer to keep the weekend troll-abusing gab in some plausibly-deniable category, rather than in an actual bylined article someone might eventually refer to at some later date?
And if that sounds like Blackmail, well, maybe it should.
"NetBase, a Silicon Valley firm that analyzes social-media trends, found that "net sentiment" toward Planned Parenthood turned "decisively negative" after the July 14 release of the first [baby-parts] video by the pro-life Center for Medical Progress....
""PP's Average net sentiment for the three months leading up the release of the first video was +62; as of August 20, 2015, PP's sentiments stands at -26," according to the NetBase analysis."
http://www.washingtontimes.com.....8F.twitter
Not to worry - Planned Parenthood's publicity arm is coming to the rescue!
"Satan worshipers launched a counter-protest against pro-lifers outside the Detriot and Ferndale, Michigan Planned Parenthood locations Saturday.
"Clad in black robes, members of the Satanic Temple of Detriot drenched bound women with milk, simulating water-boarding to "illustrate the theocratic agenda imposed upon female bodies." The milk symbolized breast milk, one of the protest organizers explained on Facebook....
"[from their Web site]"We consider our action a form of worship; the rejection of tyranny is an affirmation of selfhood. So long as perverted theocratic systems of power attempt to manipulate our communities and distort truths for political gain, we will rebel.""
http://www.washingtonexaminer......le/2570695
DETRIOT...nice Johno
At one point during the protest, a man claiming to be a sheriff unsuccessfully attempted to move the Satan worshippers along.
I suppose he was not appropriately clad.
They've been telling us for years that government activity drives innovation, and here's the evidence. Are libertarians prepared to eat some crow?
Absolutely correct. If government didn't wage the drug war, there'd be no such thing as tunneling or scuba diving.
Just exactly how did you ever become so brilliant?
I believe forcy was being sarcastic. 😉
Blah. It's hard to be impressed after seeing Cubans build 1950's era American automobiles into submarines then trying to drive them to Florida submerged under the water. Anyone that ingenious, talented and driven to come here should be granted automatic citizenship for themselves and their immediate relatives possibly sharing their exceptional genetic material.
Sorry it was on the NPR. If you think the progs would lose their minds over another Bush, wait till they get a load of Trump.
Worst/ best argument for supporting Trump
you az?car-libre'd your link
Sorry was the Jon lovetts story on trumps first term. NPR DID an audio mockup.
There is a section about after the election when America realizes what it had done, congress and Obama will work together to turn back all the unchecked powers that have aggregated to the office.
Trump Trumpler Leads Under Border Trumpel?
OT: The usually reliable City Journal surprises me with this puff-piece about Elon Musk. I haven't followed him at all other than reading some, uh, criticism of him round these parts but this article seems a bit more flattering than it should.
Everyone has their swings and misses. For example, City Journal publishes Heather MacDonald and her constant mindless adoration of all things cop is much more offensive than that piece on Musk.
If you want to understand everything wrong with Heather MacDonald, consider that she wrote an article about the 'liberal exploitation of the Charleston shooting' for National Review and her very next article with them was about how criticizing cops is evil because a cop got pistol whipped and claimed it was because he was worried to use force and end up on the nightly news.
So liberals exploiting mass shooting for their agenda = bad, MacDonald exploiting pistol whipping for her agenda = good.
Oh yes, I had her in mind when I wrote 'usually'. In fact, they are as a rule extremely pro-cop but they are pretty sane on most other topics which is rare for a NYC rag.
As for Musk, I did not expect to see such worship for a man who is generally understood to be a crony capitalist. The article touches on this but immediately dismisses it - which is baffling because the mag normally would not do that.
Heather McDonald - whatever her flaws - wrote the best takedown of the ginned up "Campus Rape Crisis" i've yet to come across.
She might be a knee jerk lawℴ conservatard... but she certainly got that one spot-on.
Holy fuck, I just noticed something.
That Wonkette poster of Elizabeth Warren? How is that not illegal under American campaign law? Surely that's essentially a campaign advertisement being produced by a third party. I'm wondering if they've filled out all their forms with the FEC.
So should I inform the FEC of Wonkette's possible violation of campaign finance law? It would be evil, but the hypocrisy of Wonkette doing that means that turning them in to the feds might be worth it.
Kidding. I'm not going to because i have principles. But under the campaign finance laws Wonkette supports, I think they're probably breaking federal law.
If Wonkette has in any way aided or abetted the enforcement of campaign finance laws or the passage of new ones in a material way ie other than just expressing support, then it is totally okay to report them. It's just retaliatory.
Outside the 60-day (or maybe it's 30-day) pre-election window, so OK.
What is warren running for at the moment?
That's a valid point. Would it suddenly become illegal in a year if she were in the presidential race though?
Bernie is running and they have Bernie swag too. It's possible it's not within the window Robert mentions above. I'd have to look into it, but regardless these laws are arbitrary nonsense.
"Would it suddenly become illegal in a year if she were in the presidential race though?"
Possibly. Like you, i despise even the idea that you actually need to get 'permission' for anything like that, so i have no idea.
The butchery resulting from the incorrect mixing of Roman and Cyrillic characters is the worst.
I disagree with a shitload of ideas Peter Hitchens holds (such as his religiosity and his support for the outlawing of drugs) but the video below about not trusting the state is brilliant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc4NLV_0YDY
"If you are really protecting us, show you're doing it. These vast organizations are actually a menace to our liberty. We're always told we're creating 'Britain's FBI,' but we're not, we're creating Britain's KGB. We should be very careful allowing these people to do these things."
Someone says 'if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear' and he says 'that's absolute rubbish' and proceeds to beat that woman to death with his arguments. It's amazing how vapid and irrational the arguments from the person supporting the security state are when compared to the arguments by Hitchens and the other woman on the panel who is worried about this kind of thing.
Wouldn't you have liked to be a fly on the wall at a Hitchens family gathering?
Peter and Christopher had some great debates with each other.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0yeeRy1_50
There's a portion of a debate at the beginning of this video. I really disagree with Peter Hitchens when he gets on his socially conservative kicks, but he's a pretty great polemicist and has some very interesting speeches out there. I prefer Christopher because he's more fun, but both the Hitchens brothers are worth reading.
OT: On the PBS national news this evening, they had a puff piece about encouraging agriculture in Puerto Rico (the island is $72 billion in debt, and they are currently only using 25% of the agricultural land, apparently because of 'resentment' from the perceived exploitation of the local peasants during the big sugar-cane days). And almost all their food comes from overseas, putting them in a pretty dependent situation and quite vulnerable. But rather than actually focus on some serious attempts at farming and trade, the lengthy story was more about some chef who was trying to get everyone to embrace locavore lifestyles. Then they interviewed one guy, who was working hard to get people to start tilling their yards, who said "wouldn't it be wonderful if we could get everyone to grow just enough food to feed themselves and their family?"
It's 2015. I have an incredibly powerful computer that can instantly connect me to any part of the planet that fits in the palm of my hand. Meanwhile, we've actually got people on national TV saying our ultimate goal should be for people to become subsistence farmers.
It is a disappointing fact that the more successful capitalism has been at delivering the basic needs of society, the more it is taken for granted and blindly resented by a spoiled, economically illiterate population
Kevin Williamson over at NR had a bit touching on that (though not the focus of the article).
".... there isn't a legitimate national interest in having boffins in Washington stand between a fellow in Pittsburgh who wants to buy a pair of sneakers and a guy in Mindanao who wants to sell them to him.
That so many are convinced that there is such an interest is only another piece of evidence, superfluous at this point in history, that there isn't much of a market for markets, that people who have enjoyed the benefits of largely free and open trade for a long time now remain suspicious of the very mechanism that makes the abundance they enjoy possible..."
Yep. Be nice if he expanded more on the "why" people are so ready to Kill the Gold-Shitting Goose.
I suspect it shares a lot in common with the "why" many people think we live in an age of rising, epic-crime-levels...
...and that many of the same people believe the environment has been declining for decades....when both basic stats like "water quality" and "air quality" have improved all across the developed world, while improvements in agricultural & energy technologies have rapidly improved the rate at which developing nations avoid despoiling themselves.
"It is a disappointing fact that the more successful capitalism has been at delivering the basic needs of society, the more it is taken for granted and blindly resented by a spoiled, economically illiterate population."
I'm gonna call government schools to task here; what do you expect when the teachers are the creatures of the government and unions?
I'm beginning to think that the most effective and most realistic effort libertarians can promote is the disintermediation of the unions and government in providing education to youth.
My hope is that competition makes indulging the stupidity of the electorate too harmful and painful to be politically profitable.
our ultimate goal should be for people to become subsistence farmers.
A worthy goal but it's a gambol.
OT:
The local lefty rag finally quit whistling past the graveyard this morning:
"Democrats' nightmare scenario: Who's Plan B if Clinton tanks?"
http://www.sfchronicle.com/nat.....ate-result (pay wall alert)
They do a survey of the Dem bench and find the pinch-hitters are all at .180 or below, even while ignoring such problems as Biden's groping issues (he only has a 'foot-in-mouth problem')
I missed it, since it was buried in the gossip section, but they're really getting concerned; follow the money:
"Hollywood Panic: Hillary Clinton's Email Scandal Has Some Donors Whispering, 'Joe Biden'"
[...]
"I've been impressed with the generosity of donors," top bundler to Vice President tells TheWrap"
http://www.sfgate.com/entertai.....456633.php
Willie Brown assures us this morning that the average voter sees her 'server problem' as some issue with the wait staff, but I think Willie's taken some whistling lessons also; the average voter might see 'breach of security' with a bit more concern...
Over all, even the midnight-blue SF Ds are starting to see 'some issues' with her candidacy.
Cory Booker
Andrew Cuomo
Joe Manchin
Liz Warren
Devil Patrick
John Hickenlooper
Bob Casey Jr
Kristen Gillebrand
...and many more. They have a lot of decent younger candidates on the bench, problem is it's getting late to be starting a campaign unless you're a big name with a lot of allies and favors that can be called in quickly. Which points to somebody older.
The Dems should never have allowed Hillary to dominate as much as she has so far. Though I'm not seeing how they could have stopped her.
At least half those people couldn't win an election anywhere they didn't already have a guaranteed majority.
i.e. where the populace is already overwhelmingly dem. at best they can barely win a majority within their own party, but not in any split contest. Booker? Cuomo? you've got to be joking.
Rout is on
Tomorrow morning will be interesting.
Oh fuck. Glad I told BMO to get me out of stocks.
I don't think turd will be here apologizing for promoting Obo as the wonder-worker, since the equity market has 'done wonders', do you?
I cannot wait for the Great Recession II: The Great Adjustment. It is going to gut a lot of nonsense. Stephen Harper timed it so well it's uncanny.
Ben Stein then
Ben Stein now
Don't panic. Ever. Bueller, Bueller.
LOL, Charles Payne is in both those videos saying the same shit too.
I love that he calls Peter Schiff anti-American for criticizing the American economy. Apparently having problems with the American economy means you hate Amurica.
No Payne all gain. He'd make a great parent. You punish your kid when he does something bad? Why do you hate your kid?
I wonder if Buffet's gonna end up in need of another bailout.
Or more likely, if he'll intentionally invest in firms that need a bailout. That's his MO from 2007-08.
It's because those Tea Party bastards Boner and McConnell wouldn't let Obama invest another billion in our crumbling infrastructure. And Rand Paul.
NOTE for Jackand ace:
Photo of tunnel has 'green' lightbulbs!
Let's hear it for the dope-runners, Jack! Along with your prediction of the Rapture.
Wood pole
If there was no payoff, there would be no tunnels.
It would be great to see Mexicans actually build, create and invest in innovative businesses, as they would do when the crippling drug policies of both countries stops this madness, with legalization. Or better, removing all the insane "War on Drugs" laws that have progressively stymied the US since the Harrison Act and their "war" on hemp by timber barons. Every 3 digit agency the US has has come from that egregious legalization.
Thus, letting those who wish to kill themselves with drugs, whether in the long term or short term, do so. And on the positive, parents who actually teach their children the value of their individual lives, so the topic is mute by adulthood.
But if that happened, who would the gubbermint, cronies, and banksters get their millions and millions of $ in payoff money from? What would happen to the 3 digit agencies? Oh my. They might actually have to find gainful employment instead of off the slav... er, taxpayers backs.
OK, this is getting weird:
Link: http://www.ibtimes.com/french-.....en-2064709
"Moroccan national Ayoub el-Kahzzani, 26, is no terrorist, his lawyer said Sunday. The suspect brought an AK-47 rifle, an automatic Luger pistol and a box cutter aboard the train to rob it because he was "hungry," said Sophie David, a lawyer in Arras in northern France where the train was rerouted to arrest Khazzani."
Uh, you don't get on the fast choo-choo for nothing and that issue isn't addressed.
"As for how he got his hands on the Kalashnikov rifle, David said Khazzani told her he found it in a park near the Gare du Midi train station in Brussels where he had been sleeping."
Hmmm. Who left their AK laying around in the park? Suthin, were you careless? And the pistol?
I'm gonna be seriously disappointed if there wasn't a talking dog involved.
I'm gonna be seriously disappointed if the Mourning Lynx is late.
If they want to prosecute, the French government is going to have to cough up some intel, and I doubt they're willing to do that for a number of reasons.
"He is dumbfounded that his action is being characterized as terrorism," ... adding he was "very, very thin" and looked to be suffering from malnutrition, "with a very wild look in his eyes. He thought of a holdup to be able to feed himself, to have money," ... then "shoot out a window and jump out to escape."
Nice story, bro.
Sophie David, eh?
Looks like el-Kahzzani is gonna get laid, bro! Based on the well-established tradition of French lawyers hooking up with their Islamist terrorist clients, of course.
Uh, you don't get on the fast choo-choo for nothing and that issue isn't addressed.
Ayoub logically decided to spend what little money he had on a train ticket, parlaying that into much more food money from the robbery.
That wasn't so hard, was it?
Huh. A year or so ago I walked into my friend's gun store and saw a Luger in the case. He wanted $400 for it. I don't want one but I knew someone who collects them and I knew they could fetch a lot more than $400.
I called the prospective buyer up, sent him some pics of the pistol and asked what he would offer. He texted me back that he would give $5500 and would send the money immediately. Within the hour my friend was boxing and shipping the pistol.
I suppose el-Kahzzani's lawyer is doing the best they can, but his actions really are indefensible.
"Tell me, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, is this the face of a terrorist?"
Is everyone on vacation or what?
Maybe they've "taken the plunge", what with the stock market and all.
Oh Rich, how prescient you are.
...but that won't do anything to diminish the flow of narcotics into the U.S.
That sounds like a challenge. Go get 'em, DEA!
I'm with Fist on this one. Increase the DEA's funding and maybe, just maybe, they will be able to stop narcotics from entering this country.
Not only is this thread recycled, it is being recycled for the *second* time.
Jonathan Alter licks Block Yomomma's ball bag. Thanks for the funniest thing I'll read all month, Johnny.
Alter must be taking a lot of mind Alter-ing drugs:
"The vast majority of Americans are better off than they were when he first took office. And their children are better off, thanks to a President focused more on the long-term than the news cycle....
And he's much hipper than most politicians ? likely the coolest president we'll get for a while....
""No Drama Obama" has the right emotional equilibrium for the first African-American President. It has allowed him to put up with venomous attacks without getting distracted from the job at hand."
Even Willie Brown, who makes no secret of carrying D water, wrote that the only promise he wanted kept in Obo's speech was to make it short. He mentioned he'd never seen so many bored people.
Mike M?
I was going to quote a few things, but that whole article is worth a read for its Orwellian audacity.
"He's cucumber cool in a crisis"
Alter thinks deer caught in the headlights are just being cool.
I know it's gone to the back burner in the news coverage, but you guys may have heard about a militia thing going on in Oregon? Well, it's still happening, and there was an interesting development a few days ago.
Check this out!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB6m7x3QDAg
From what I gather, the Fire Chief of Harney County has resigned in protest over the FBI running around posing as militia members. Apparently, there were some people complaining about a bunch overly aggressive militia, and so the fire chief got interested and ran their license plates to see who they were.
Their plates showed up as being registered to the FBI.
Apparently the Fire Chief was pretty upset with the apparent false flag operation, so he insisted that the police chief ask the FBI to leave the county. The police chief refused, so the fire chief held this press conference and resigned. He held a "press conference", I should say, but it doesn't look like any of the networks were there covering this.
It's just a bunch of militia guys on YouTube broadcasting it.
Anyway, this could all be bogus and staged for all I know, but it's an interesting story. And I haven't seen it covered anywhere but on YouTube and websites sympathetic to the militias.
The fire chief could have done a surprise inspection of the local FIB HQ if he wanted to hassle them a bit.
Well,I'm late,been busy.I'm sure everything has been covered here. On another note,I'm having pan fried flounder on sourdough bread and roasted portabella mushrooms,onions and peppers with a butter,garlic and blue cheese sauce and some stout while I watch football,damn cronies.Oh,black markets are created by the government,Had to get my shot in.
I thought re-runs were summer-time fare.
Anyhow, in the annals of self-important puffery, we may have a new record holder.
On the SF bay bridge, a guy got permission (and some public money) to string lights up each and every vertical suspender cable, and then programmed them to cycle on/off in what looks like a random pattern. The result is a series of horizontal 'waves' that proceed back and forth along the length of the bridge.
It was quite attractive, but the pub money was limited and ran out. There was a push for taxpayer money, but amazingly, it went nowhere.
Well, the group who organized it got private money to run it for (who knows how long). That's nice; they should be proud of themselves. But not THIS proud (from a full-page ad in today's paper):
"ILLUMINATE is [..an..] organization that aims to alter the arc of human history through the creation of transformational works of public art."
Oh, well, let me get out of the way!
I'm drinking stout out of a mason jar.So,what the hell
I think the arc of human history just got dumber so...
They probably didn't count on single-handedly creating the "facepalm generation."
Well, I guess since I posted the first two times, I should post again. Dear 2015 AlmightyJB. The 1/13/16 powerball numbers are 4, 8, 19, 27, 34 PB 10.
Dear 2014 AlmightyJB. Hang in there.
If only you had started your storage unit Primer machine going last week, you'd be taking a nice long nap right now.
I don't speak jive
Decent movie. Low-budget indie film done right.
Cool, I'm always looking for a good sci-fi flick. Looks interesting.
Don't forget to wind your watch, dude!
Chipotle sauce , add brown sugar, honey, pickapeppa sauce, red wine. Pork ribs marinated for 24 hours, seared and then baked. Yum.
That is what I am doing today.
I wonder what El Chapo is having for lunch.
Probably whatever the hell he wants.
Well he can't have my ribs.
Your lungs would have difficulty without them.
Nice,enjoy.
Put up a batch of lemon dill sauerkraut. Yum!
I like to turn a thread to food,and drink,my job is done,