Ex Cop: Everyone Behaves Better When They're on Video
Civilians shoot and upload police encounters to the Internet everyday using tiny cameras on their cell phones and other mobile devices. In fact it may be easier than ever to keep the police accountable with the technology we all carry around in our pockets. But police are looking to keep civilians accountable too by wearing cameras of their own. Reason TV sat down with former Seattle Police officer Steve Ward, who left the force to start Vievu, a company that makes body cameras for police officers.
"Everyone behaves better when they're on video," says Ward. "I realized that dash cams only capture about five percent of what a cop does. And I wanted to catch 100 percent of what a cop does."
The cameras are small, light, and clip to the clothing of a police officer's uniform. They turn on with a large switch on the front of the camera and have a green circle that surrounds the lens so that civilians know that the camera is recording.
But once the data is recorded, what stops an officer from editing or manipulating the video? Ward says his cameras contain software that stops officers from doing anything nefarious with it, "Our software platform stops officers from altering, deleting, copying, editing, uploading to YouTube, any of the videos that the cops take."
While body cameras present the strong benefit of keeping police accountable, they also present a risk of invading civilians' privacy. But in a policy brief from October 2013, the American Civil Liberties Union argued that depending on how the body cameras were implemented, the privacy concerns could be dealt with.
Although we generally take a dim view of the proliferation of surveillance cameras in American life, police on-body cameras are different because of their potential to serve as a check against the abuse of power by police officers. Historically, there was no documentary evidence of most encounters between police officers and the public, and due to the volatile nature of those encounters, this often resulted in radically divergent accounts of incidents. Cameras have the potential to be a win-win, helping protect the public against police misconduct, and at the same time helping protect police against false accusations of abuse.
In 2013, The New York Times reported that the city of Rialto, Calif., was able to cut down on complaints against officers by 88 percent over the previous year when it gave its officers body cameras. Use of force by officers fell by almost 60 percent.
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But the cops don't have to turn them on for every encounter, right? And what keeps the cops from turning them off once they've decided to beat the shit outa someone?
Well, I would hope that the thought of a lawyer asking them, in court, "Well, if your account is true, and you didn't hit this man fifty seven times with a pair of ice skates, why didn't you turn your camera on?" would give them pause...
1. The lawyer's probably not going to do that.
2. If he does the cop will sputter out some half-arsed excuse and the jury will lap it up.
3. The prosecution will undoubtedly get the judge to rule that the matter of *why* the camera was not on is irrelevant and is to be excluded from the trail and can not be brought up in front of the jury.
You're talking to a ghost.
The PINAC article I posted above says otherwise. Here it is again.
You get the idea somebody never watched a "reality" TV show?
No it doesn't. It doesn't contradict the 60% reduction of force 'meme' that the Rialto study confirmed. It just details a list of awful things the Albuquerque police did afterward.
Ya think she's gonna answer you?
I don't know. The important part is that someone on the internet was wrong, and Cytotoxic was there to make it right. *Rides off into the sunset*
You're 8 months late
Hey, don't mess with him while he's busy riding off into the sunset. He's happy in his own fantasy.
Don't worry friend. Cytotoxic is forever in the sunset, but he never really leaves. He'll always be here.
People behave better when there are consequences for their actions.
The cops who beat Kelly Thomas to death knew they were on camera, and they didn't care. Why? Because they knew there would be no consequences for their actions.
Wait you mean you get more of what you reward and less of what you punish? Why haven't I heard of this concept before?
What they did to that guy.
I mean.
The only justice will be if society shuns the men who committed that crime.
Like OJ. At some point, you have to answer to the people.
Cops like that are why when I hear that a cop has been shot I think the cop probably deserved it.
Frankly, and I say this as the son of a retired deputy, most cops these days are just scared enough to be dangerous.
Note that you don't hear very much about police killing heavily-armed paramilitary soldiers following six-hour firefights; it's three patrolmen vs. one disoriented homeless guy who isn't resisting in the first place. They fear the public in the same way that farmers "fear" livestock; they're wary of a nip, but they don't respect the hogs.
At the risk of putting myself on yet another watchlist, this won't change until police are really, truly afraid of the public. Not of individual targets, but of people in general.
How different would the Kelly Thomas event have turned out if two weeks prior a crowd of onlookers had dragged police off of a suspect they were beating and pummeled the hell out of them? What if the SWAT team conducting the raid on the mayor of Berwyn Heights was confronted by a few neighbors with shotguns? And at the risk of sounding like I'm advocating something I'm not, what if the next time a cop shoots a dog in someone's front yard the owner returns fire, kills the cop, and is acquitted?
Police won't respect non-police until the public in general loses its fear of the police.
Oh, my God. I think I love you.
Get in line.
Yeah, after reading that I have a nice surprise ready for Mrs. Pavlov.
one step further we all need to get over our abnormal fear of death and pain
step one. accept that someday you will die and there's not a fucking thing you can do about it
step two. accept that physical pain although uncomfortable at first is not nearly as long as a life of suffering under the heel of tyrants
Better to die on your feet than live on your knees.
How is this going to work to work when police are broadly extremely popular? Few things poll better among whites than the police. Where is this angry mob going to come from because somehow I don't see the libertarian-"minorities willing to rough it up with cops" alliance working very long. A subculture, espeicially a very small one made up of low-mid and mid-class professionals, simply shouldn't be advocating confrontation with the forces of order (be they police national gaurd army whatever) it will not end well.
Meanwhile in Kansas...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWdvFO1QKrU
in 10 to 30 years time, the regular joe-shmoes of this country are going to be talking like this lady and every other newsperson on tv... it's going to be horrible, and i will be finding myself living in a foreign country where barely anyone speaks english so i don't have to subject myself to it.
Do you have a credible source? Such as 'not Russia Today'?
That report was on March 25. On May 30, the bill died in committee.
http://kslegislature.org/li/b2.....es/hb2698/
And what will keep the police review boards and police union thugs from abusing the rights of citizens with their almost 100% rubber-stamping of cop abuse as "justified police procedure"?
Cops almost never pay for their crimes, and they commit a lot of crimes.
"...the city of Rialto, Calif., was able to cut down on complaints against officers by 88 percent over the previous year when it gave its officers body cameras. Use of force by officers fell by almost 60 percent."
It makes you wonder how much shit went on when it was just an LEO's word against a citizens, even when "procedures were followed".
I think that the numbers speak for themselves. Obviously, about 60% of the uses of force were unjustified, at least in the eyes of the cops that stopped using the force when they knew that they would be witnessed.
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I figured that, assuming the claim of $64/hr was true, it probably involved a webcam and a donkey.
the donkey was sick so we had to use the full size horse instead
same diff right?
the donkey was sick so we had to use the full size horse instead
same diff right?
a webcam and a donkey.
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Small steps can sometimes help. Such as the language we use to describe some of these people.
For instance, this idiotic use of the term "agent" such as "FBI agent" or the even more ridiculous "special agent". These people are not independent contractors or self employed such as your local State Farm agent. They are simply employees?.government employees. So?.call them that and drop this silly-assed, ego-boosting "agent" nonsense.
Even police "officer". They are not elected CEOs, CFOs or any other of the legitimate uses of "officer". They are government employees. Period.
Blowing smoke up their bums with phony, silly monikers only makes things worse.
Tying body-mounted cameras to facial recognition software will be a boon to the surveillance state. License plate readers pale in comparison. Without probable cause, officers will scan faces they pass: criminality will be but one report from databases. While you're in conversation with an officer, he'll hear in his earpiece suggested interrogation techniques, known associates and other predictors of suspicion. BTW: in the 'success' part of this puff piece, an officer hovers with a 'less-often lethal' shotgun: he is far closer to the suspect than the weapon is designed for. Do you think police training officers took action as a result? For improvements in police conduct, better results can be obtained through Know Your Rights training in communities that encourage civilian photography of police.
For more on high-tech Seattle PD, follow the link:
http://time.com/25605/seattle-.....-software/
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WHO the FUCK cares about astronauts floating around a horrible planet full of horrible people.
NASA.... put a bar on Mars... Maybe tie me onto a cable so I can dropkick a comet on the way to a good fucking buzz on Mars... that's all.
Mars is where it's at... not the outer exofuckinsphere with ALL FUCKING DUE respect to the brights playing jesus in the foil tubes out there...
I'm pretty sure I'll die never gettin a great Rocket Vodka on Mars... I hate this fucking early century shit.
Hey bartender! I'll have what this guy's drinking.
I just bought you an old fashioned made from asteroid trails and comet ice, sweet human.
Here we go again.
*sigh*
Time for an intervention?
Fuck no. Time to put his name on a plaque.
Did they delete all his posts from last night? I can't find them?
I'd have to run it through a translator, but I think that's what he's saying here.
That's how I took it. He must go back and check out his work when he comes down.
The uptight straights took em out...
...bastards.
If we all start jabbering like we're stoned, will they delete the thread?
I'll give it the ol' college try. I'm going to need at least three hours, though.
5-methoxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine is a hell of a drug.
gaoxiaen|11.30.14 @ 5:49PM|#
"Hey bartender! I'll have what this guy's drinking"
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Once you're out of LEO you're halfway to *everywhere - why throw yourself back down a (gravity) well?
Basically - Mars is useless. There's nothing, absolutely nothing, there that can't be obtained easier someplace else in the solar system.
Need volatiles? The gas giants and their moons have them.
Heavy metals? In the asteroid belt, just reach out and grab 'em.
The only reason to go to Mars is *political*.
Living space? Bubble habitats floating in the upper atmosphere of a gas giant, McKendree Cylinders, EDERWORLDS - http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/48472f9d56859
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In 2013, The New York Times reported that the city of Rialto, Calif., was able to cut down on complaints against officers by 88 percent over the previous year when it gave its officers body cameras. Use of force by officers fell by almost 60 percent.
So where is the proof that complaints against officers led to even a fraction of a percent of more punishment for wrong doing against citizens?
Ok, nice if the cameras lead to less unprovoked assaults against citizens by cops, but really, if there remains zero accountability for cops then it's only a matter of time until none of them care about cameras.
Punishment isn't necessarily the only anti-abuse motivations someone can have. They mere fact you're being recorded can be enough.
I guess you could say that locks keep honest people honest, and cameras keep honest *snort* cops *chortle* honest *choke*.
But what about the cops who don't give a shit?
Without any punishment they'll just keep doing what they do, cameras or no cameras.
But what about the cops who don't give a shit?
You have precisely described the Albuquerque PD. Long equipped with body cams, still hunting the mentally ill and homeless for sport.
But at a much reduced rate.
Article Locates Affirmative Consent Movement on One Side of Long Split in Feminism
"In the early 1970s, some women learned karate, stationed themselves on street corners to watch over their sisters, or checked out on men altogether and moved to women-only communes in Vermont. But feminists were also, rightly, angry about sexual violence. And anger demanded more than safety.
For some women, anger cried out for retribution. Police guns were stronger than karate chops, legislatures more authoritative than consciousness-raising groups, and prisons more protective (or so it was thought) than self-imposed exile. By the 1980s anti-violence feminists were in bed with law-and-order Republicans.
Yes-means-yes is part of that tradition."
http://www.bostonreview.net/bl.....shment-sex
"In trying to eradicate masculine violence, yes-means-yes also enacts the masculinist ideology that might is right. To ensure the free exchange of caresses, it applies the whip and the chain."
Go on...
Whip it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIEVqFB4WUo
"Gerald Casale told Songfacts that the lyrics were written by him "as an imitation of Thomas Pynchon's parodies in his book Gravity's Rainbow."[4] The lyrics evoke a working class desire to pull oneself up and to overcome adversity. The song has violent undertones, and Devo has often described it as about Jimmy Carter, as Mothersbaugh describes in an interview on To The Best of our Knowledge. However, many people took the lyrics at face value, interpreting the song as a paean to masturbation and sadomasochism, or a reference to inhaling nitrous oxide from whipped cream cans (taken from the name "whip-it", used to describe the nitrous chargers for whipped cream dispensers)"
Q: Are We Not Men?
We are Sevo!
Close enough. I wasn't going to sleep tonight if someone didn't answer that.
Warrren|11.30.14 @ 9:55PM|#
"We are Sevo!"
Hey!
Will Ohio State's QB Injury Mean Anything to Playoff Selection Committee?
"The number of issues potentially facing the College Football Playoff Selection Committee on Dec. 7 have accumulated throughout the year. Add one more possibility: How to handle a team that loses its second star quarterback of the year, this time in the second-to-last-week of the regular season.
No. 6 Ohio State's loss of quarterback J.T. Barrett during its 42-28 victory Saturday over Michigan could throw a new wrinkle into the committee's top-four picks."
http://www.cbssports.com/colle.....jt-barrett
I don't think a player's injury should matter to the committee. What should matter is that TCU has beaten far more ranked teams than the Buckeyes and the Horned Frogs only loss was a close away game to a top ten team while the Buckeye's loss was a whipping at the Shoe by a team that just reached .500. It's going to be quite the travesty if Ohio State gets chosen over TCU, regardless of the outcome of the Wisconsin game.
TCU beat Oklahoma. Ohio State beat Mich State.
WTF
Dude makes a very good point he does.
http://www.Anon-Rocks.tk
Did the UVa rape happen? Richard Bradley isn't sure.
http://www.richardbradley.net/.....tory-true/
Our good friend Mark Ames has some interesting ideas about libertarians & Ferguson. Apparently it's all our fault.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBKNQJ8_RE4
Warning- weapons-grade derp
Ames is literally insane.
Wow. I bet my dad would love this guy.
Libertarianism is an advertisement for oligarchy.
Libertarians love inequality.
Nick used to work for Teen Beat.
Koch brothers.
More about Teen Beat.
Ooohhhh government is a boogie man! Condescension and more Koch brothers.
Only government can protect us from oligarchs.
(Funny how oligarchs have no power without government since only government can use force, but yeah, government protects us from those evil profit seekers who must please their customers! The horror!)
More Koch brothers.
Libertarians don't want government to protect us from evil profit seekers.
Libertarians are Republicans who smoke pot.
Reason foundation is a propaganda mill for... the Koch brothers and oligarchy!
Libertarian solutions create more over policing! That totally makes sense! Less government means more government! Fewer laws mean more laws!
More about inequality.
Wow. That's... wow.
derptastic
It's like watching a sunset in Monument Valley.
Derptastic indeed.
Winning entry:
"(Poole's and Reason's claims that he "coined" privatization have been challenged, most recently in the Journal of Economic Perspectives, which made the case that "privatization" was first coined and implemented in Nazi Germany in the mid-late 1930s.)"
http://pando.com/2014/09/25/fe.....o-believe/
So the 3rd Reich was big on privatization.
Uh, yeah, I'm going to have to, uh, disagree there.
Godwin's law strikes again.
OLIGARCHS! OLIGARCHS! KOCH BROTHERS! TEEN BEAT! STAND YOUR GROUND LAWS! RAND PAUL! POLICE REFORM IS A KOCHTOPUS PLOT! ONLY GOVERNMENT CAN SAVE US! FDR WAS A HERO OF THE PEOPLE! REGULATIONS ARE GOOD! REGULATORY CAPTURE IS A LIE! TRAFFIC TICKETS ARE A LIBERTARIAN SCHEME! POT-SMOKING REPUBLICANS!
Holy shit...I just realized it. Mark Ames is Tony...
Whoa...
Isn't Mark Ames the guy who got a 15-year-old Russian girl pregnant and then threatened to throw her off a balcony if she didn't get an abortion?
Yep.
Jezebel swoons for him anyway:
http://jezebel.com/292129/meet.....pp-complex
To be honest, it was a rhetorical questions. For it can't be repeated often enough that Mark Ames got a 15-year-old Russian girl pregnant, and by his own admission, threatened to murder her if she didn't abort the child.
And of course I'm not surprised the scumbags at Jezebel get moist over that. Their entire readership consists of the same demographic that the girl who's marrying Charles Manson fits into.
As Ames writes:
cont'd
Oh God. Oh my God. Fuck.
Yep. See page 155 of Ames' book (with that other scum-sucker, Matt Tabibbi). To quote Ames,
Crap. Why did I just suddenly have a vision of SugarFree?
How's that alliance with race baiters and marxists working out for the Cosmos?
Shut up. Just shut up.
Go club a seal!
Such retarded bullshit. I guess we're all victims of marketing.
Also: Public Schoolhouse Rock!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhOFX9uBww4
Paging Derpetologist. Derpetologist Code Blue
Ferguson isn't about black rage against cops. It's white rage against progress.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....inions_pop
I set aside 2.25 hours of each day to rage against progress.
Rage Against Progress is the name of my non-existent libertarian band.
Shouldn't it be 'Rage Against Progress Everywhere'
That way your fans can be Rapers promoting R.A.P.E. Culture.
Can't have worse vocals than RATM.
Yes you can:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbiFcPhccu8
Comes with nauseous visuals!
"It's more subtle ? less overtly racist ? than in 1865 or even 1954."
Manfully conceded!
Yeah, not even wrong.
2 + 2 = 5 is wrong.
That article is more like
hammer + tomato = January
Brilliant. You truly are the leader in your field.
Christopher Walken as Captain Hook looks like it will be a total trainshipwreck.
A testimonial to my noble work:
GILMORE writes:
http://reason.com/blog/2014/10.....nt_4864489
Derp is proud to be a vector!
Hell, I've only clicked on a couple of your youtube links and now Barney Frank is a permanent feature on my suggested videos. There really needs to be an 'masochistic' filter of some kind.
Just imagine what my youtube suggestions are.
Here's one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6d2NNmNeBM
Yes but your sins are your own. You deserve every horrible youtube video on your front page, Pandora.
FUCKING CHRIST !!!
Although Krystal Ball is no longer on TV, she remains a strong contender for dumbest human ever:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqq6yBQaKeg
This has been pointed out to her, live on-air.
I just want to fucking throw poodles through her earrings!
Mark Ames says Austrian economics caused the Great Recession:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-cL3odTioM
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When I was comin up rough that wasn't even what you called it
That's why I smoke blunts now and run with alcoholics
I'm gettin, threats to me, comin from my enemies
And, in they dreams it's, Hell where they sendin me
Have I, lost control or just another soul
A car full of motherfuckers when we roll
Sippin on yak as I sit back (YES!) life as a big mack
Brothers come up and say, "You did that?" {uhh, uhh, uhh}
Never take yo' eyes off the prize, and even if you gettin high
don't ever hesitate to try
Cause you can fall off or stay ballin, niggaz we all in
And them my motherfuckers callin {ohh, ohh, ohh}
Fuck the world!
You should behead your computer.
Advice aptly provided by an adder.
"You should behead your computer."
But clearly he'd missing posting comments on Reason, build a new computer and be right back where he started. Such is Life.
I need Agile Cyborg to breed with someone just crazy fucked up as he is and then we can make the Kwisatz Haderach. At least I think that's how it works.
You're making too much sense. Knock it off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggyC0FOzqHM
More Ames derp: Obama and Sebelius want Americans to live longer, but the braindead masses are resisting.
http://youtu.be/PEqmZMTefkw?t=2m50s
Derp from a letter to my local paper:
Who's up for some more derp?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_EwZtTa498
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvCNgvUm8Us
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Meanwhile in St. Louis, a white (Bosnian) guy was beaten to death by a mob of teens with hammers.
In the minds of the idiots who did this:
"Now we're even!"
I blame Maslow
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Momma's in the hospital, poppa's in jail,
Sister's on the corner crying, "Pussy for sale!"
Reportedly German unemployment/welfare benefits can be cut off if the recipient refuses sex work. Seems like a good topic for Miss ENB to cover "from a libertarian perspective".
This should teach me not to get my "news" from the twitters:
(It is a 9 year old story, did Howley weighin...back in the day?)
Thom Hartmann AND Mark Ames together?! YAY!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jp2txWClyxc
At Time, why rioting in Ferguson is perfectly acceptable . Yes, "white privilege" is involved.
I'd shake my head, but the stupid is so deep and broad that I just expect it any more.
According to the vermin on CNN, people who loot and burn are "protesters".
If they largely confined the looting and burning to government property I could accept that as "violent protest".
Bonus: the author also wrote this article about driving a Mercedes to pick up her food stamps:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....od-stamps/
Is taking the Mercedes to pick up food stamps more literal or metaphorical looting. I can see the case either way...
"Anytime anyone says anything libertarian, spit on them. Libertarians are by definition enemies of the state: they are against promoting American citizens' general welfare and against policies that create a perfect union. Like Communists before them, they are actively subverting the Constitution and the American Dream, and replacing it with a Kleptocratic Nightmare."
-Mark Ames, babbling lunatic
I love how he says that the commies are bad are calling libertarians "enemies of the state".
As I said, babbling lunatic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNGRr80W5Es
Ah Ferguson. As I said before it looks like a case of Mob Rule vs. Cop Rule. Not a very good situation. Assuming that the Grand Jury was a whitewash then we have Cop Rule while we have Jacob Sullum arguing that Wilson should have been indicted to appease the mob, an attitude I thought libertarians opposed?
I am rather disturbed about the rather Jacobinical attitude that many people on Reason have toward the Cops. I mean it worked out so well in Revolutionary France and Soviet Russia!
Lenin for example called for the abolition of the police mere months before Red October. Turns out he loved the cops when they followed his orders. Like pretty much every dictator.
Jacob Sullum arguing that Wilson should have been indicted to appease the mob
He has never made any such argument stop lying.
I am rather disturbed about the rather Jacobinical attitude that many people on Reason have toward the Cops.
Then you should do more to convince cops to stop being thugs.
He has never made any such argument stop lying.
http://reason.com/blog/2014/11.....vate-trial
McCulloch clearly thought an elaborate grand jury process, coupled with public release of all the evidence presented to the jurors, would help keep the peace and mollify critics who feared that Wilson would get away with murder. But a real trial, even one ending in acquittal, would have been much more effective at achieving those goals. A public airing of the evidence, with ample opportunity for advocates on both sides to present and probe it, is what Brown's family has been demanding all along. McCulloch took extraordinary steps to deny them that trial, thereby reinforcing the impression that the legal system is rigged against young black men and in favor of the white cops who shoot them.
Then you should do more to convince cops to stop being thugs.
So replace the current gang of thugs with another?
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