Is Facebook a Public Utility? Yes, says Filmmaker Cullen Hoback
Is Facebook a public utility? Yes, says filmmaker Cullen Hoback.
Hoback is behind the new documentary about digital privacy called Terms and Conditions May Apply. The title refers to the privacy policies one must agree to to use Facebook, Google, AT&T and practically any other digital service in 2013.
"Everything in our digital lives has this contract associated with it," says Hoback. "Everything moved into 1s and 0s and 1s and 0s can be tracked and traced."
Hoback says that the tracking of data has made a cosy relationship between big data companies and the government. "You have the companies making a fortune off of our data and you have the government getting something that its wanted for a very long time, which is this sort of unprecented access to all of the information of all of its citizens."
The creator of Facebook, Mark Zuckerberg, unvoluntarily appears in the documentary after Hoback appears outside his house wearing Google Glass eyewear and a few cameramen--a cinematic event that Hoback claims shows the hypocracy of Facebook's transparency.
"We turned off the main camera and he really loosened up. […] I think what he reveals in that moment is that when you stop recording, when you no longer feel surveilled, you can open up and be more yourself actually," says Hoback.
The film's website links to websites that promise more digital privacy than mainstream websites like Google or Facebook and the sister site of the film, trackoff.net, shows viewers how they can get politicians to check out the film.
Interview by Paul Detrick. Camera by Alex Manning and Sharif Matar.
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*Facepalm*
Man, I was on facepalm the other day and my homie sent me the cutest picture of a cat.
Facebook is an abomination.
It's a bulletin board of abomination. Which means its users are the abomination.
Humans are human. A thing that facilitates the public display of their natural inclinations toward insufferable narcissism and rudeness is the abomination.
Like politics?
Huh. Maybe I should check out this Facebook thing.
That database with pictures and bios and known associates that you built for the NSA? You didn't build that.
That database with pictures and bios and known associates
Bios which include your sexual orientation (and then go whining to NPR that you got "digitally outed", your relationship status, your interests, and then random shit like where you ate last night, the places in town you like, businesses you frequent through 'likes', pictures of your kids, their school they go to, fuck, while you're at it, put in your home address with the hours that you're home, your alarm codes (if any) and your dog's favorite treat.
I am a supporter of Open Society. I like it when there are no secrets (not exactly the same as OS but close).
Wow. That is some creepy shit, right there.
Hey, if you aren't doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about.
/sarcasm
What's your real name and address?
Shriek's knowledge of Popper is as deep as his knowledge of Hayek:
Popper = Open Society
Hayek = not a conservative
In other words, about half a factoid per person.
I am a supporter of Open Society. I like it when there are no secrets.
Feel free to post your birthday, SSN, and bank account number.
We're all friends here, shriek.
If everybody's financial information were online, that would be fine. Countries like Sweden, Norway, and Finland do it with no ill effect. In the US, you can find out how much someone's house costs and how much it is appraised at.
You didn't build that.
Yet the Facebook builders are big Obama supporters.
Seems they don't listen to wingnut radio/TV/blogs.
Not surprising. Statists want the state to be able to know everything about everyone. It's their definition of transparency.
Somewhere, deep below Hoback's prattle that seeks to redefine the meaning of words like public and necessity to include private and luxury, the ignorance re: the purpose and function of the Constitution (hint: it isn't to prevent companies from implementing one-sided privacy policies), and the idiocy that it takes to believe that ISPs want to provide information to the government and thus ensure the mass exodus of their entire client base towards a service that isn't dedicated to self-immolation, there is probably a well-meaning individual here.
I forget what those sorts of people are called.
"unvoluntarily" Really?
Hypocracies are the worst. Government by hypo is totally unsustainable.
Step one: cut/paste into MS Word before uploading.
Step two: look for squiggly red lines. Correct.
Step three: upload.
The frequency of these errors has reached ABC News level the past few months.
AND THIS IS WHY THEY FIRED LUCY!?!
Lucy refused to share her blocks with Sullum. Welch didn't appreciate this enlightened selfishness and kicked her out of the class.
They are not public utilities. Paul is right of course, we don't have to use them. Claiming them to be public utility based on pervasiveness is idiotic. But they most certain are utilities of the state.
What is worse is that the whole environment strongly incentivizes government cooperation (gov contracts, secret information sharing as was leaked, etc). This would be a moot point if they had a legal means to resist. But even without that means, the incentive to resist provides an alternative. Such an incentive produces things like like "zero knowledge" services and development frameworks that Ron Bailey covered previously.
Spideroak and Mega are some of those for example. Even if the Feds busted into the data centers and confiscated their machines, it would be of no use. On the other hand, Microsoft, Dropbox and Amazon et. al. (AWS & S3 from Amazon, and services by the rest are also provided to gov), are fully cooperative. For the largest American corporations, even when they don't need to, they have more incentive to design their systems with backdoors, and some of them like Dropbox are even upfront about that.
The second way, as is done in some other countries, is to ignore the state and/or resist when they come asking. This does require a change in attitude and weaker state though. Look at Argentina; black market finance and economics to get around state controls is practically mainstream. It's the de-facto way of life. Here, the incentive structure works against government cooperation, even there are no legal means to do so.
What is Holback's point about Facebook being public utility? From what I undestand that would only provide further cover for government demands on personal information. Does he consider that a good or bad thing?
"OMG! Teenagers MUST use Faceypage! Otherwise, they'll be committing SOCIAL SUICIDE!!!!11!!!!!1!!eleventy-one!!11one!"
Having survived adolescence, Facebook is not that damn important. Teenagers engage in enough idiocy. No need to tolerate it, let alone encourage it.
Second, Hoback is shocked, SHOCKED, that Facebook and Google have gone to the Darth Vader School of Law and that they've altered the deal with not selling/trading/giving away your data. Guess what? Get the fuck off of Facebook and mitigate your damages. Stop telling the entire world your business. If you want privacy, keep some of your shit private.
"OMG! Teenagers MUST use Faceypage! Otherwise, they'll be committing SOCIAL SUICIDE!!!!11!!!!!1!!eleventy-one!!11one!"
Huh, so much for "Facebook ruins social interaction!"
Dude likes to hear himself talk!
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Well, well, well. Look who won the thread!
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