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Jussie Smollett Reminds Us That Some Hate Crimes Are Hoaxes—and the Statistics Are a Mess

As the investigation turns on the Empire star, it's important not to confuse "reality" with "narrative."

SmollettBT1/Brian To/WENN/NewscomMultiple news outlets have now reported that Chicago police no longer consider Empire actor Jussie Smollett to be the victim of a potential hate crime. On the contrary, they suspect he faked the January 29 incident, with the help of two acquaintances who now appear to have flipped on him.

Chicago PD has not yet confirmed any of this, and Smollett maintains his innocence. But it's increasingly difficult to believe that Smollett was uninvolved, given that the two men captured on surveillance video near the scene of the alleged attack are by all accounts Abimbola and Olabinjo Osundairo, a pair of brothers who worked as extras on Empire.

Many people, of course, suspected that Smollett was lying from the start. His claim that he was attacked by random Trump supporters in downtown Chicago at 2:00 a.m. on one of the coldest nights imaginable was hard to swallow. Those who work in right-leaning and alternative media were most vocal, though I had private conversations with several left-of-center writers who shared my doubts.

In contrast, many left-leaning politicians, celebrities, and media figures rushed to condemn Trump supporters as complicit in an obvious hate crime. GQ's Joshua Rivera declared that "The Racist, Homophobic Attack on Jussie Smollett Is Far-Right America's Endgame." He also accused all those who referred to Smollett as the victim of a "potential" hate crime of inflicting an additional "wound" on Smollett. Cautious authority figures were engaged in "a careful hedging of bets that don't need to be hedged," he wrote. Suffice it to say, this piece has not aged well.

No doubt some conservatives went looking for holes in Smollett's story because they wanted to rebut a criticism of President Donald Trump (i.e., that his rhetoric emboldens racists and bigots). But many liberal pundits and thinkers simply believed Smollett because it confirmed all of their biases about the president's supporters. On Monday, in the wake of revelations about Smollett's likely deception, The Washington Post's Jonathan Capehart told MSNBC that what happened to the black, gay actor "fit in with a narrative." Before he even finished the word "narrative," he corrected himself: "not a narrative, but a reality for a lot of people in this country since President Trump was inaugurated." Many on the left believe that Trump has unleashed a wave of racist, xenophobic, bigoted hatred across America, irrespective of the details of a single incident.

But despite Trump's very real history of making disparaging remarks about all kinds of people, there is not a lot of statistical evidence to support the notion that hate crimes are surging. While it's true that the FBI's count of hate crimes rose 17 percent from 2016 to 2017, it's important to note that 1,000 additional agencies reported information to the FBI in the latter year. It should go without saying, but as the number of agencies participating in the FBI's count of hate crimes grows more numerous, the total number of hate crimes will undoubtedly rise. This does not necessarily mean that hate crimes are surging—just that the authorities undercounted them previously.

Statistics, of course, are easily mischaracterized. A few months ago, many in the media became obsessed with a figure from the Anti-Defamation League, which purportedly showed that anti-Semitism had spiked a whopping 57 percent under Trump. But part of that statistic reflected an increase in bomb threats against U.S.-based Jewish institutions perpetrated by just one person: a deranged Israeli teenager. Anti-Semitic violence, according to the ADL's count, actually decreased 47 percent.

Hate crimes do happen. But some alleged hate crimes turn out to be mistakes or hoaxes. Quillette's Andy Ngo has compiled a useful list; in writing about free speech on college campuses, I have frequently encountered alleged bias incidents that turned out to be false. (My forthcoming book, Panic Attack: Young Radicals in the Age of Trump, contains many more examples.) Recently, virtually everyone in the media uncritically accepted claims by a Native American man, Nathan Phillips, that a group of Catholic high school boys racially harassed him on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, but additional reporting showed his claims were wildly misleading.

None of this means that racism and other forms of bigotry are nonexistent, or even that they're rare. But reality is often quite complicated, and it's important for reporters to add context, clarification, and caveats when discussing the news—no matter how much this displeases the automatically-believe-victims crowd.

(Below, watch Reason contributor Kmele Foster—who hosts the Fifth Column podcast with Matt Welch and Michael C. Moynihan—attempt to inform Vox's Liz Plank about the finer points of the FBI's hate crime statistics as she repeatedly interrupts him.)

Photo Credit: BT1/Brian To/WENN/Newscom

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  • Fats of Fury||

    #JusticeForJussie
    #GoodAndHard

  • Deconstructed Potato||

    He enjoys that sort of thing.

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    #prisonpounding
    #biggerandblacker

  • MonitorsMost||

    Advocating for prison rape on a libertarian website. Classy and on-message.

  • Knutsack||

    Wait until you see what Tony advocates for on a libertarian website. That will really make your head spin.

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    It probably makes Tony's head swell.

  • Tony||

    Mr. Shitlords is by far the biggest psychopath here, and at a libertarian website, that's saying a lot.

  • Fancylad||

    the biggest psychopath here

    Strong words from the guy who wants to make Christmas illegal and proudly supports infanticide.

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    Tony, I am many things, but a psychopath, or a sociopath are not among them. Nor do I rape young boys (or anyone else for that matter). While you are a slaver, and an advocate for institutionalized infanticide of fully developed babies, and so many other evil things that it beggars the imagination.

    As a sociopath you don't truly understand, but you are quite evil. I may be an asshole, but I am NOT evil.

    Just man up for once and admit what you are.

  • buybuydandavis||

    Wait til you see what Nick advocates.

    No True Communism
    "Totalitarians professing communism killed millions of people, but this analogy is flawed. Hitler was the leader of Nazism, Stalin the leader of...Stalinism, not communism."
    https://goo.gl/xnJ8CT

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    Advocate? No. Just describing what may await Mr. Smollet for his fibbing. However, as I understand it, a prison pounding from a bigger and blacker man may be his idea of a good time. Kind of like how a pedophile would probably like hanging out at Chuck E, Cheese.

  • vek||

    Honestly, sending a gay dude to prison isn't even punishment... I mean he'll LIKE all the butt sekks. What kind of punishment is endless gay sex for a gay dude?

  • buybuydandavis||

    The Left sows the fear, hatred, and resentment of identity politics with race baiting #FakeNews to divide and conquer us.
    Everyone but the perpetrator of a hoax hate crime experiences it as a hate crime.
    It is terrorism, and is intended as terrorism.
    It's the Klan 2.0.

    The Left is societal cancer.

  • Roman Moroni||

    I agree that many on the far left WANT to believe these stories to be true because they help promote the narrative they want everyone to believe.

    But I think it's also a mistake for people on the right to be a little too gleeful about it when a story turns out to be false.

    The goal is to ALWAYS uncover the truth in every case without using them as examples of proof that the other side is always wrong.

    Bigotry exists. I don't believe "hate" as a motive should be its own category that affects sentencing, but that aside, I do concede the "hate crimes" happen, and we should keep in perspective what the goal is.

    It's not to stick it to the other tribe at every opportunity. That really doesn't persuade anyone who might happen upon this story and read the comments.

    I'm sure everyone here's heart is in the right place and we all want a better world. Some of these comments, while I'm sure feel very satisfying to write, will only make the otherwise potentially persuadable double down on their previous bias that frequenters of libertarian sites are nothing more than hateful right wing racists.

    I don't want to believe that anyone here is any such thing; I'm just reacting to what it looks like, and it changes an important conversation about truth into one about how the different tribes' bias always comes before all else.

  • Dillinger||

    >>>Hate crimes do happen.

    HnR should be a place where "hate crimes" are a myth.

  • Pro Libertate||

    "Hate" crimes are crimes, or they're not.

  • Deconstructed Potato||

    I'm loading my metaphorical "ASSAULT RIFLE" of hate with "reactionary Trumpian rhetoric" and pointing it at your gay, black heart. Imagine it looking very terrifying. It has two pistol grips, a 200 round magazine, and also has a grenade launcher attachment. It has a laser sight and you look down at your chest to see a tiny red dot that on closer inspection is a tiny projection of "MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN" which I can read through my scope while I'm (metaphorically) taking you out.

    #WORDSAREVIOLENCE
    #ANATOMYOFAHATECRIME
    #COMMONSENSESPEECHCONTROL

  • Dillinger||

    >>>tiny red dot that on closer inspection is a tiny projection of "MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN"

    designer laser-sights is a great idea

  • arcaneknowledge||

    That is a really good idea!

  • Roman Moroni||

    Is it? The target can't actually read it, and the last thing you want when holding a bad gay at bay with you weapon is to be distracted by your own clever laser message.

  • arcaneknowledge||

    practically, it is useless, but from a marketing standpoint it would sell.

  • Trollificus||

    Latest generation of FPS games (first-person shooter) have beat ya to the punch: they sell IN-GAME designer reticles for actual RL (Real Life) money.

  • WuzYoungOnceToo||

    No shoulder-thing-that-goes-up? Fail.

  • SchillMcGuffin||

    What like that blaster-thing in the original Predator? If they criminalize those, only criminals will have them... And predators.

  • Paulpemb||

    Don't forget the chainsaw bayonet.

  • Austrian Anarchy||

    Don't forget to smirk.

  • operagost||

    Well, at least it doesn't have a bayonet mount.

  • Trollificus||

    But does it have a bump stock? I've heard being killed by a rifle with one of those is especially horrific.

  • SIV||

    I had private conversations with several left-of-center writers

    Robby's gotta run his stuff through the "woke" filter before he posts. He has his future at WaPo to think about.

  • majil||

    Some hate crime claims are hoaxes ? Try most hate crime claims are hoaxes.
    But Trummmpppp!

  • Gray_Jay||

    This, mostly. I read the headline, skimmed the article, and thought, "Some?! Are there any that actually turn out to be valid?"

  • Ken Hagler||

    The ones committed by Antifa.

  • Gray_Jay||

    Pfft! Like those count.

    Next you'll be telling me that minorities can commit crimes that are motivated by racial animus.

  • Austrian Anarchy||

    Their only racial animus was instilled in them by the rich white patriarchy.

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    Well, no one has more hate inside them than a progressive. Probably why they love murdering babies so much.

  • AlmightyJB||

    Only 99.9999% are hoaxes.

  • Marcus Aurelius||

    That poop swastika tho

  • Trollificus||

    Poop Lives Matter!

    The fecality of the medium does not interrogate the space between the significand (swastika) and the significator (Lady Gaga) so much as it renegotiates the artality of its' own presence on that wall.
    This is, of course, because, as also observed by Dr. E. Page: "orangemanbad".

  • Austrian Anarchy||

    Wasn't that one backwards? Like the one on Morton Downey Jr's face in 1989?
    I'm betting it was the same neo-Nazis that attacked both Smollett in Chicago, 2018, and Downey in San Francisco, 1989. https://bit.ly/2DQJ6Os

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    Any accusation from a progtard is almost certain to be a lie.

  • ravenshrike||

    To be precise, most hate crimes which stay in the news cycle because the victim is willing to give a bunch of interviews or otherwise perpetuate its visibility are hoaxes. This is almost certainly because actual victims rarely enjoy the spotlight being centered around something bad happening to them.

  • buybuydandavis||

    "Try most hate crime claims are hoaxes."

    Most hate crimes that get a lot of media attention. The media prefers the hoaxes because they're better at dividing America.

    There are hate crimes. It's not like they don't happen. Yet the media always manages to push the hoaxes.

  • Teddy Pump||

    And if Robbie knew his shit, he would know that for decades now the LGBT people are the masters of hate crime hoaxes & if confronted with the truth, they will simply say it does not matter because somewhere else right now an LGBT person is being victimized by hate!...But,conservatively speaking at least half of crimes committed against LGBT people are perpetrated by their lovers or prostitutes or their drug dealers! Take the Matthew Sheppard case: He was killed by a guy he had sex with numerous times and drug dealing was also involved, but the narrative had to be protected & so, he was he was killed because he was a homo & they even named a federal law after him & an opera was made as well!

  • Mongo||

    I see that the Reason eastern and West Coast big shots are taking Presidents Day off - what the fuck??

    Candy asses.

  • buybuydandavis||

    They're busy celebrating the US Presidency.

  • Fats of Fury||

    Many on the left believe that Trump has unleashed a wave of racist, xenophobic, bigoted hatred across America, irrespective of the details of a single incident.

    Change xenophobic to oikophobic and that statement is true.

  • Toranth||

    Yeah, it's just that the crimes are not coming from the groups the people making the claim usually think.

  • Ron||

    No doubt some conservatives went looking for holes in Smollett's story

    Not just Conservatives, at Black guns Matter there was a lot of sceptism by a large margin in the comments

  • WuzYoungOnceToo||

    Search Smollett's name on YouTube and you'll find a slew of black content providers who were calling B.S. on the story from the get-go.

  • SchillMcGuffin||

    That's deeply reassuring.

  • Trollificus||

    The farther you get away from black academics, black political leaders, and black artists/musicians, the more real-world, straight-up reality you hear from people. Just meeting black people in a neutral, or "real" situation is totally reassuring. I mean, they're nasty, self-interested, lusty, lazy, and self-indulgent...just like the white people I know.

    I can handle that. It's these fucking lefties "black knighting"* for them that I fucking can't stand. If I was black and had to read some white gyno-American talk about still feeling the field masters' lash after 150 years...I would think they were underestimating my resilience and overstating my 'black fragility'.

    *-is this a real thing? I mean, it is, but is that the meme?

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    I have also heard a number of black people, from Chicago in particular, calling bullshit on his story.

  • itsjustbob||

    Exactly. They know if he was roughed up in Chicago, he would have more than a measly little scratch on his face. They also would have taken his subway sandwich and his cell phone

  • Roman Moroni||

    I'm not gonna go so far as to dismiss most hate crime claims as hoaxes, but I was honestly suspicious about this one from the start for several reasons, but the one at the top of my list was that it was about 20 below zero that night. Not exactly when people go commit crimes for fun and bigotry. You only rob someone in those conditions if you're starving or you need a drug fix.

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    He really went too far with the details. If he hadn't ginned it up so much with the noose, the bleach, the MAGA hats, etc., maybe he wouldn't have been caught.

    He just couldn't help himself.

    Just more fake noose.

  • Sidd Finch v2.01||

    I had private conversations with several left-of-center writers who shared my doubts.

    LMAO "my doubts"

    Robby after Julie Swetnick's prep school gang rape parties story:

    At this point, I'm not sure conspiracy [against Kavanaugh] is the most plausible explanation. We shouldn't accept these accusations on blind faith, but it's starting to seem like blind faith is what Kavanaugh's defenders are requiring of us.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    NEVER FORGET MILO!!!!

  • Sidd Finch v2.01||

    Calm down, Schlomo.

  • Trollificus||

    Is he the guy who stole Venus' arms?

  • Teddy Pump||

    +1,000

  • Hugh Akston||

    I will never understand how people can invest so much of their identity in victimhood.

  • Tony||

    But enough about Trump supporters.

  • WuzYoungOnceToo||

    Yeah, nothing says identity victimhood by a group like a real attempt to smear that group by someone who was pretending to be a victim.

  • Tony||

    Nothing says identity victimhood like a bunch of old white guys who think the solution to all their problems is building a wall between them and the Mexicans. Really, it does take the cake.

  • Tu­lpa||

    Shut up and take the L bitch.

  • WuzYoungOnceToo||

    a bunch of old white guys

    You agist, racist asshole.

  • Tony||

    Seen a Trump rally?

  • Tu­lpa||

    Shut up and take the L bitch.

  • Tony||

    But I have no reason to be in Brooklyn.

  • Tu­lpa||

    Shut up and take the L bitch.

  • Tony||

    Stop speaking to me in nerd. I am fluent, but I'm also not a virgin.

  • Fancylad||

    "I'm also not a virgin"
    Your ass isn't anyway.

  • DenverJ||

    Nobody thinks the wall is the answer to all their problems. Just an answer to people sneaking across the Mexican border.

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    Clearly. But it's definitely a good idea, given how much it causes progtards to writhe in pain.

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    Good old Tony. Always a vicious bigot sociopath.

    And he even took time out from raping young boys to babble at us.

  • Vincent Milburn||

    They have given up hope on fixing their lives and want the government to do it.

  • Tony||

    But enough about Trump supporters.

  • Fancylad||

    Because Trump supporters just love the deep state, huh.

  • Tony||

    The only deep thing they love are their cousins' gaping vaginas. You people have got to stop thinking in slogans. It ends up affecting the rest of us.

    "Build me a wall to protect me from Mexicans" is Trump supporters wanting the federal government to do shit for them. How many rhetorical freebies do you idiots think you are entitled to?

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    The only deep thing they love are their cousins' gaping vaginas.

    Tony reveals his childhood again.

  • Deconstructed Potato||

    Tony sure is mighty afeared o' them verginers.

    This is how Tony spends his weekends, yes? (NSFW)

  • Trollificus||

    "gapin' vaginers"?? Haw-haw-haw.

    That's why ya don't wait till they're in high school, boy!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    You clearly don't grasp the power of it. A victim will be elevated. A victim can rally supporters. A victim enjoys a high ground from which assertions can be made unchallenged.

  • Tony||

    But enough about trump.

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    Tony, how do your victims usually react?

  • Tony||

    Briefly.

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    I figure you had more staying power. Sodomizing those young boys must really get you going.

    Sick fucking chickenhawk deviant.

  • Tony||

    Oh I meant that they don't get much time to react. See, the problem with sodomizing young boys who are alive is that they make so much noise.

  • UnrepentantCurmudgeon||

    So you prefer cracking open cold ones?

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    I get the impression Tony isn't too discriminating. Maybe he needs them dead to finish. Andrei Chikatilo was like that. Couldn't even get fully hard until they were dead.

    He was a communist party member in the old Soviet Union. He loved fucking young dead boys too.

    He and Tony would have been pals.

  • Gaear Grimsrud||

    Not to mention a fat gofundme payoff.

  • Mongo||

    I was slightly skeptical of the incident. I'm still keeping an open mind on it.

    He showed up wearing the noose when reporting the incident? I think nearly everyone would've taken it off instead of walking around with it on.

  • Trollificus||

    It was a clothes line, not tied in a hangman's knot, so the use of the word "noose" can be seen as a slight mischaracterization and definitely inflammatory.

    Now all we need is CCTV footage of his manager planting the 'bleach container' a week after the 'attack'.

    Then, if you're around anyone you can tell is reaching for the stars with "Well, THIS ONE might have been inaccurate, but that doesn't mean there isn't an epidemic..." STOP THEM. Do NOT let them proceed with the lazy, simple-minded, and FALSE contention that "hate crimes are on the increase". They are not.

    1) The REPORTING of hate crimes has been expanded, encouraged and given more resources.
    2) The DEFINITION of what constitutes a 'hate crime' has expanded, a de facto expansion of crime.
    3) There are no accurate statistics on how many reported "hate crimes" are of the petty "hurt my feelz" kind or actually false, and are the numbers ever adjusted downward after qualitative analysis?

    It's my contention that any data sets regarding this subject are at best terrifically sloppy, and at worst, manipulated for political purposes.

  • Sedona Vortex Hunter||

    he thought it was a bolo assaulted on to him by some roving gay atire and fashion nazis who thought his look was simply incomplete, so he kept it on

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    Clothesline? So......... fake noose?

  • Ecoli||

    Fake noose!

  • Entropy Drehmaschine Void||

    Perfect.

  • tpaine||

    Yeah, that's five star E

  • Fats of Fury||

    Who will be the first journalister to declare Abimbola and Olabinjo to be white African Trump supporters?

  • Gaear Grimsrud||

    Well they're not white ...

    "We are not racist. We are not homophobic and we are not anti-Trump. We were born and raised in Chicago and are American citizens," Ola and Abel Osundairo said in a joint statement on Monday, first provided to CBS.

    ...but they openly admit that they are not anti-Trump.

  • Earth Skeptic||

    If they don't identify as white MAGA terrorists, I am sure some others will be happen to claim that identiy for them.

  • Gaear Grimsrud||

    There's a thin line between not anti-Trump and full blown MAGA terrorist. But they'll never pass for white without some sort of bleach treatment.

  • Sidd Finch v2.01||

    Why do journalists think bleach is dangerous? WTF is up with that?

  • Ron||

    its dangerous because it makes everything white which is just more white supremacist oppresion

  • Jgalt1975||

    Maybe they think it's dangerous because it is actually dangerous if it gets in your eyes, lungs, etc.? This is the NFPA warning label for sodium hypochlorite, which is what people are usually referring to when they say "bleach": Sodium Hypochlorite (Liquid Bleach) Chemical Label.

  • Tu­lpa||

    You mean like water?

  • Juice||

    You should definitely wash your face with bleach tonight before you go to bed. I hear it'll clear up your extreme acne.

  • Tu­lpa||

    Why are you so fucking stupid? He said "b>Maybe they think it's dangerous because it is actually dangerous if it gets in your eyes, lungs, etc.?"

    That is literally like water.

    Then your fucking clown ass comes is, desperate for... Fuck I dunno to look dumb as fuck I guess. And out of NOWHERE you fire off

    "YEAH WASH YOUR FACE WIF IT!!!"

    Add to that the fact that houshold bleach is only a mild skin irritant and you look like a giant dumbass.

  • Cyto||

    Yeah, no. Getting water in your eyes and getting bleach in your eyes are not anywhere on the same spectrum. And you could make an argument about water in the lungs, or any liquid in the lungs for that matter, but it is still stupid. Inhale a little water and cough it up and you are uncomfortable for a few moments. Inhale some bleach and cough it up and you have a real problem. Like "can I get to the hospital before I suffocate" type problem.

    Don't let your obsession with winning the argument overcome your common sense. Just because someone is often wrong, that doesn't mean they are always wrong in all things. (hideously paraphrasing the Mississippi Supreme Court)

  • Tu­lpa||

    "Yeah, no. Getting water in your eyes and getting bleach in your eyes are not anywhere on the same spectrum"

    No one said they were dumbfuck. What was said "Maybe they think it's dangerous because it is actually dangerous if it gets in your eyes"

    Not "equally dangerous" just "dangerous."

    "but it is still stupid."

    People drown evey day in very small amounts of water. You're a fucking moron and wrong.

    Water is very dangerous if you expose your eyes to it for extended periodsof time because it is apoor lubricant and can cause severe abrasions just from blinking.

    Now go somewhere and learn to fucking read idiot.

  • Edward Snizzerhands||

    Ugh, it disgusts me to agree with Tulpa but he's right here and you're wrong Cyto. They are both dangerous. Not equally so but that wasn't the claim so you're refuting something no one said Cyto.

  • Tu­lpa||

    Cyto is fucking stupid and tried too hard for a gotcha but stepped on his dick instead.

  • Tu­lpa||

    "The best scientific evidence available has taught us that 1.2 million people around the world die by drowning every year, that is more than two persons per minute"

    You have to be exceptionally stupid to even attempt to claim that water isn't dangerous

  • Sedona Vortex Hunter||

    more than die from opiates probably. I feel a ban coming on...

  • WuzYoungOnceToo||

    You should definitely wash your face with bleach tonight

    Only if you gargle with it first.

  • Piers Gaveston||

    Sure ... but it's not a likely weapon of choice for a chemical attack. It's some obtuse message about Making America White Again or whatever.

  • Tu­lpa||

    Which is funny because bleach actually turns blacks into a dull sort of brown. It doesn't even work as a metaphor.

  • Libertymike||

    What happens to bleach at 30 below?

  • Tu­lpa||

    You put yoir reply in the wrong place.

  • Sidd Finch v2.01||

    A jug of ice is infinitely more dangerous than 6% bleach.

  • Tu­lpa||

    Good thing they didn't have one then. Or maybe not.

  • Fats of Fury||

    I wonder if Jussie's tongue got stuck to a pole that cold cold Chicago night?

  • Marcus Aurelius||

    I think he was Austrian

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    And sometimes words can cut like a knife. Which turns out to be a bad thing to say to a border official when asked if you have any weapons.

  • WuzYoungOnceToo||

    a border official when asked if you have any weapons

    Then I said, "Well, what do you need?

    ~ Steven Wright

  • damikesc||

    Wouldn't bleach freeze in that cold? It's freezing point isn't that much lower than water.

  • Sidd Finch v2.01||

    "This is the NFPA warning label for sodium hypochlorite"

    Don't ever be this guy.

  • SchillMcGuffin||

    It'll definitely ruin your clothes!

  • Sometimes a Great Notion||

    Because they come with a bump stock and a 24 bullet magazine?

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    Really? My Car & Driver subscription didn't come with any bullets.

    I was gypped.

  • Gaear Grimsrud||

    Bleach is extremely dangerous to celebrities with designer wardrobes. Jussie could end up walking around looking like some tie dyed hippie.

  • Libertymike||

    To characterize Nathan Peters' claims that he was racially harassed as "wildly misleading" is a wildly misleading characterization.

    Why not just acknowledge the truth: that injun spoke with forked tongue.

  • Eddy||

    There's no sugarcoating it, his narrative has a few problems.

  • Ray McKigney||

    My reaction too.

    It'd be more accurate to say "complete fabrications" or "delusional" or "a tissue of lies."

  • Cyto||

    Yeah, that wasn't a classic "to be sure", but it fit in the same spectrum. It was "misleading" in the same sense that the Blood Libel is misleading. It was a hateful fabrication that was in fact the exact opposite of everything that occurred and everything that each of these individuals stood for - and we have the video evidence to support that contention.

  • Barnstormer||

    By quoting Jonathan Capehart, Robbie captures the essence of the matter: A desperate whine for attention through false victimhood and manufactured outrage.

  • M.L.||

    Read this whole Twitter thread of fake hate hoaxes. Incredible! It seems that this profoundly disgusting behavior is more common than any kind of real, verified instances of such far-fetched events.

    Curiously, the invaluable website fakehatecrimes.org, which I cited to years ago, went down upon yesterday's news. The site has collected a shocking number of hoaxes just like this. If I recall correctly it was up to around 100 hoaxes per year, skyrocketing since ~2015.

  • M.L.||

    EDIT: I see there was already a link to Andy Ngo's twitter thread in the article.

  • A Thinking Mind||

    That list doesn't even include the three black girls at the University of Albany at the start of 2016. Remember that one? I remember a lot of high profile people being drawn in by that. The New York Times ran a story about how everyone got drawn in by it.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/02/
    nyregion/racism-charges-in-bus-incident-and-their-
    unraveling-upset-u-of-albany.html

    Nobody seems to have learned any lessons from it.

  • Sidd Finch v2.01||

    One of the most infuriating of these was the SJW Air Force senior officer that lectured all the white cadets at the Academy after some running back at the junior college wrote "nigger" on his door.

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    That wasn't just the senior officer--it was the goddamn commandant of the Academy. Virtue-signaling piece of shit got his 15 minutes of fame haranguing the student body over a fucking hate hoax.

    Best to just assume all "hate crimes" are hoaxes at this point unless they're committed by leftists.

  • damikesc||

    Hell, the Covington kids thing happened A WEEK EARLIER. And that was the same type of bullshit.

  • A Thinking Mind||

    The current lack of faith in the media is anything except "Trump's fault."

  • WuzYoungOnceToo||

    It's just basic economics. Demand for examples of white racist/homophobic violence exceeds supply, so more need to be manufactured.

  • Cyto||

    People have made entire careers based on hoaxes like this.

    Remember Twanna Brawley? Al Sharpton became a household name because it was he who delivered the fantastical tales of her abduction to a credulous media. Of course, one hoax wasn't enough for him, so he doubled down shortly thereafter spreading anti-Semitic lies that ended up getting someone killed.

    As long as you are lying in the right direction, you'll do just fine.

  • Tony||

    I need John to tell me what this means in a broader context.

  • OpenBordersLiberal-tarian||

    It means Mr. Smollett is now a victim not only of racist MAGA street punks, but also of a police / media conspiracy to deny his lived experience and trivialize his suffering.

  • John||

    What it means is that you are a vicious idiot who no doubt believed this even though it was absurd on its face.

  • Tony||

    I can't be bothered to know things about television celebrities.

  • Tony||

    Totally true, I thought this guy's name was Justin until 5 minutes ago when I adjusted my glasses.

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    You wouldn't even know who this guy was until two weeks ago, unless you were black and upper-middle class. That's pretty much the only people who watch "Empire."

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    Tony, he is a huge slaver lefty like you. He likes dudes, anal sex, and apparently likes to be choked.

    Maybe he could be your chocolate fantasy and give you a taste of his Toberlone bar?

  • OpenBordersLiberal-tarian||

    We Koch / Reason libertarians must not join the right-wing rush to judgment that has already convicted Mr. Smollett of masterminding his own attack. Remember, the police — even in a progressive city like Chicago — are white supremacy's foot soldiers. It's entirely possible racist cops couldn't be bothered to find the real attackers and decided instead to frame a successful actor of color and his two African American acquaintances.

    #IBelieveJussie

  • Ray McKigney||

    LOL "masterminding"

  • Rob Misek||

    So he made up a story about racist WHITE people attacking him to further his own agenda of hatred and HE ISNT BEING CHARGED WITH A HATE CRIME?

    If someone gets caught writing nigger on a bathroom wall, they are charged with a hate crime, are they not?

  • Marcus Aurelius||

    Nah, just a rapper working his lyrics, yo.

  • Rob Misek||

    Do you want to be my niggah?

    Just asking.

  • mysmartstuffs||

    In "fairness" his initial police report did not specify the race of the attackers. Everyone just assumed they were white because they're racist.

  • buybuydandavis||

    Who knew that Trump was so popular with Nigerians?

    MAGA

  • buybuydandavis||

    "It's only a hate crime when Whitey does it."

    Everyone but the perpetrator of a hoax hate crime experiences it as a hate crime.
    It is terrorism, and is intended as terrorism.
    It's the Klan 2.0.

  • Eddy||

    As long as we're not relying on the "credibility" of the CPD about this story one way or the other, then, yes, the story looks fishy - though I don't see how it has a Greater Meaning beyond the media reaction, which would be the one angle making this a national story.

  • A Thinking Mind||

    Serious, legitimate question. Robbie, if you can provide an answer to this, I promise I'll buy your book.

    What percentage of reported hate crimes are hoaxes? I've been trying to get a grasp on this, to see if anyone has tried to answer this question. There are some fairly comprehensive lists of proven hoaxes out there, but there's very little evidence tracking hate crimes in which the perpetrators are caught and it's definitively NOT a hoax.

    If we could compare a dataset of 2 years where the definite hoaxes are compared against the solved non-hoaxes, we could at least get some sampling. Maybe it wouldn't extrapolate properly, but we'd have some range to estimate. I can't find anyone who has done that, however.

    In the wake of very high profile false stories like Smollett and Covington Catholic, I think it would be helpful to learn just how common real hate crimes are compared to fake hate crimes.

  • Libertymike||

    Let us start with the fact that the hoaxes are legion.

    Then let us consider the fact that the very characterization of crime as "hate" is antithetical to an Anglo-American conception of individual justice.

    Then, let consider the fact that even "hate crime" convictions hardly constitute a reliable method of ascertaining whether, in fact, a hate crime was perpetrated given the progressive stranglehold on the administration of justice.

    Everything else must be examined through the foregoing prism of truth and understanding.

  • Sidd Finch v2.01||

    Everybody I know who was randomly jumped by blacks was told that filing a police report would be pointless. 8 or 9 isn't a large sample, but it does suggests there's politics behind these numbers (Campbell's Law).

  • Libertymike||

    Evolutionary Epistemology for $the amount of the next Powerball winning number.

  • A Thinking Mind||

    I understand it's difficult to reach. At the same time, I'd like an answer to this dilemma. If someone reports that 1,000 hate crimes were reported over a given time frame...what percentage of those events should a reasonable person assume are either complete fabrications or were intentional hoaxes?

    Beyond weeding out that some of them aren't real crimes, and that some the "hate crimes" were just crimes with a "hate" element tacked on, just tell me how many of them are utterly fake.

  • Libertymike||

    Your quest for certitude is well taken. There is nothing wrong with wanting more evidence, more facts, and more information.

  • Cyto||

    Yup.

    And with something as subjective as "hate crime" and something as difficult to ascertain as "did this happen?", it might be like trying to find out how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie roll pop.

  • Red Tony||

    256.

  • SimonP||

    Let us start with the fact that the hoaxes are legion.

    Let us start, in other words, by begging the question. A Thinking Mind is asking exactly this: how do we know whether this is the case or not? You say, assume that it is.

    Then let us consider the fact that the very characterization of crime as "hate" is antithetical to an Anglo-American conception of individual justice.

    Words words words. No, "hate crimes" are distinguished only by the particular mens rea they carry. It's no different than distinguishing between a premeditated crime and a crime of passion, or a murder and an involuntary manslaughter. It's completely consistent with the common-law tradition.

    Then, let consider the fact that even "hate crime" convictions hardly constitute a reliable method of ascertaining whether, in fact, a hate crime was perpetrated given the progressive stranglehold on the administration of justice.

    This is straight-up fantasy.

  • Libertymike||

    No, brah, my take is far more Thornton Melon whereas your take is far more Professor Philip Barbay.

  • TrickyVic (old school)||

    The two of you should take it up with Dean Martin.

  • Qsl||

    This would be nigh on impossible to breakdown, with 10 different studies giving at least 15 different results, and every side picking the one most sympathetic to their biases as definitive.

    Take for example something related- false rape statistics.

    I've seen numbers as high as nearly half to less than 5% of reported rapes as being fabricated, AND THEN you have evangelist attempting to explain away the wildly divergent numbers. Are you including rape allegations where there simply isn't sufficient evidence to prosecute? Or maybe only when making false statement charges were pursued and ended in a conviction? What about instances where the "victim" recanted years after the fact, or when DNA evidenced exonerated someone already convicted?

    As with most crime, there is sufficient grey to go around.

    And even then, statistical numbers don't really give an accounting of every lapse, every mistake in what should be an exceedingly low error rate- beyond a reasonable doubt.

    If anything, it is cause to give the evil eye to anyone who suggests standards of proof and due process should be lowered for any subset of crime.

    Even for those who make false accusations.

  • A Thinking Mind||

    The comparison is rape statistics is poignant...but the specific nature of that crime inherently undermines accurate sampling. By it's very nature, many of those cases will come down to "Accusers say X" and "Suspect says Y," and neither story can be corroborated. That's not to say those don't matter, but that particular crime is going to have a large subset of "unprovable" instances.

    Accusations like this are much more public and often include provable elements. Even without witnesses, for example, we've been able to largely disprove Jussie tale based on: hiding some of his phone records to police (including phone calls to the two suspects), large amounts of video, elements of the crime being record (in this case, the purchase of the rope). Just like there was the instant with Covington Catholic students where the evidence was simply watching the whole video.

    I want to see someone who has tracked down the number of reports into the categories of "Actually happened and prove," "Actually happened but was a hoax," and "Reported but was entirely made up." I've been looking for anyone who has catalogued that but there's nobody even attempting to give an unbiased picture that I can find on the interwebz.

  • Greg F||

    ... but there's very little evidence tracking hate crimes in which the perpetrators are caught and it's definitively NOT a hoax.


    Here is one. Doesn't strike me as a MAGA type of guy.

  • buybuydandavis||

    "What percentage of reported hate crimes are hoaxes"

    What percentage of reported hate crimes *reported in the media* are hoaxes?

  • Fancylad||

    Jussie deliberately defamed a group of people because he hates them. By any metric Jussie was the one that committed a hatecrime.

  • buybuydandavis||

    He burned a cross on his own lawn.
    He should receive the same punishment for it that a Klansman would.

  • Sidd Finch v2.01||

    Cops and journalists are pretty similar: not very bright people who hear human stories all day long.

    Why is it that the cops always seem to sniff out the hate hoaxes from the very beginning while journalists have to be dragged kicking and screaming?

  • buybuydandavis||

    Because journalists live to sow the fear, hatred, and resentment of identity politics with race baiting #FakeNews to divide and conquer us.

    They can probably sense the fellow travelers.

  • Rockabilly||

    Jussie Smollett Hate Crime Hoax Call to Action

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-Z7Rpu3hao

  • Brian||

    I'd say this was about smearing MAGA people... except they hate them already.

    No, this was about a gay guy who wasn't getting enough attention.

  • Trainer||

    This.

  • Ray McKigney||

    There is no such thing as bad publicity.

  • buybuydandavis||

    Everyone but the perpetrator of a hoax hate crime experiences it as a hate crime.

    This is a black guy burning a cross on his own lawn.
    This terrorizes blacks just the same as when a Klansman does it.
    A burning cross is a burning cross, no matter who lights it.

  • Sigivald||

    No doubt some conservatives went looking for holes in Smollett's story because they wanted to rebut a criticism of President Donald Trump (i.e., that his rhetoric emboldens racists and bigots). But many liberal pundits and thinkers simply believed Smollett because it confirmed all of their biases about the president's supporters

    I've found that what left-pundits say about the President's rhetoric is far more likely to embolden racists and bigots than the actual rhetoric itself.

    But it's still his fault, you know.

    (I don't even like the man! But ... facts is facts, and fair's fair. Commentary about his rhetoric has presented it as far more "bigot-friendly" or "hateful" than the rhetoric itself could ever support, and people take it as gospel.

    The left because it's convenient to be opposed to Pure Evil rather than gross mediocrity. The "far right" because, well, it's exactly what would empower them.

    Picture Nelson "ha ha"-ing.)

  • soldiermedic76||

    I couldn't stand Trump, however, I have found myself extremely empathetic to him lately. As I've investigated many of the charges against him I have found plenty of evidence that the media is purposely misreporting to make him and his followers look bad. It probably helps that I know many people who voted for him and they are almost all good people who are loving and charitable. Do I agree with everything he does? Hell no. But I am definitely starting to root for him.

  • buybuydandavis||

    "I couldn't stand Trump, however, I have found myself extremely empathetic to him lately. "

    That's the way it always starts. "These assholes keep making be defend Trump!"

    Don't worry. Once you've swallowed the Red Pill, you can get your very own Red Hat.
    Come over to the MAGA side.
    We have cookies!

    The most important thing Trump has done is provoke the enemies of the people into exposing their rampant corruption.

  • MatthewSlyfield||


    But it's increasingly difficult to believe that Smollett was uninvolved, given that the two men captured on surveillance video near the scene of the alleged attack are by all accounts Abimbola and Olabinjo Osundairo, a pair of brothers who worked as extras on Empire.

    Is it really that implausible that a couple of extras on a TV show might have a personal grudge against the star of the show?

  • Tu­lpa||

    SMH...

  • Sidd Finch v2.01||

    LEAVE JUSSIE ALONE

  • Dillinger||

    why go all the way to Chicago when on-set poison easier?

  • Ray McKigney||

    I think I saw that on Columbo once.

  • buybuydandavis||

    It's implausible that Jussie "fought them off", as he claimed. Did you see pictures of those guys?

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    By 'fought' do you mean 'sucked'? I'm betting they hatched this plan after the two of them spitroasted Smollett.

  • AlmightyJB||

    Seeing how almost all of them turn out to be black flag operations, my default is to not believe them.

  • soldiermedic76||

    Really starting to be mine as well.

  • Ken Shultz||

    If there is anything important to learn from this story, it's that there is nothing rational to learn from these stories--and the "journalists" who bring them to our attention should all be ashamed of themselves.

    Even before it surfaced that the Smollett case might be a hoax, it was abundantly clear that there was nothing rational to learn from this story--and the same case that many stupid people are making about why this story is important now are wrong for the exact same reasons that the people who thought it was an important story were wrong before we learned that it might be a hoax.

    No one should vote for or against Trump because of something some Trump voters did or didn't do. Anyone who truly believes otherwise would be well advised to shut up and stop embarrassing themselves, the teachers who failed to educate them, and their parents who failed to raise them properly.

    Meanwhile, everyone who believes that racism and homophobia either are or aren't a problem because this case is or isn't a hoax, likewise, should be ashamed of themselves, their teachers, and their parents for failing so miserably.

    I repeat: There isn't anything rational to learn from this story being a hoax that wasn't already abundantly clear even if it wasn't a hoax.

  • Kun T. Shmaltz||

    Thanks for that Ken, I don't care if everyone thinks you're a self important long winded repetitve bore, you're doing yeoman's work telling everyone else what to think.

  • Ken Shultz||

    Who are you, Robby's mom?

  • Tu­lpa||

    There's nothing to be learned from that question.

  • Marcus Aurelius||

    But she could teach you a thing or two for sure

  • Tu­lpa||

    2 dollar. Get out.

  • Libertymike||

    Schmaltz is fine by me.

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    "Thanks for that Ken, I don't care if everyone thinks you're a self important long winded repetitve bore, you're doing yeoman's work telling everyone else what to think."

    Only some loser progtard would think that.

  • Ray McKigney||

    When a story (for whatever reason) becomes a media event -- like when that fat guy shot that youth in a hoodie in Florida a few years ago -- it's important to get on record something as close to reality as possible. If we just ignore it and let the Opinion Leaders babble on, then next thing you know, their version has become a reliable data point that people keep citing.

  • buybuydandavis||

    '--and the "journalists" who bring them to our attention should all be ashamed of themselves. '

    Ashamed? They care for nothing but power. The stories serve their purpose.

    Do you think they don't know?
    They pick the hoaxers because as bullshitters, they have a nose for it.

    The hoax stories are the best stories to divide America. The initial emotional impact on those terrorized is not blunted by the inevitable revelations of fraud. To the contrary, now that they're complicitous in a hateful race baiting fraud, they will go full cognitive dissonance in defending their part in the lie.

    And a whole generation of involuntary hoaxers is born.

  • AZ Gunowner||

    " there is nothing rational to learn " - from your post.

    So quit posting it already.

  • Roman Moroni||

    Well, there might be a little to learn from this story. It would be nice if people would look at every case independently and not ROOT for a story to be true or false in order to lend credence to their preferred narrative.

    But it if it makes you feel better, very few people WILL learn that lesson. So yeah, nothing will be learned from this.

  • Ken Shultz||

    When we make financial projections about development projects that may take 24 months for approval, another six months to build, and another six months to market, lease, or sell, we do sensitivity analyses to identify which assumptions are important to our project. What happens to our returns if it takes 12 or 18 months to market, lease, or sell? What happens if the cost of materials increases by 20% over a period of 24 months? What happens if lease rates or sale prices fall by 10% over the next 36 months? Our projections are more sensitive to some things rather than others, and to still other things, our returns aren't sensitive at all! Changes in those things that don't impact our rational decisions shouldn't distract us. They're unimportant.

    Here's the sensitivity analysis on the Smollett case: Not only does it not matter now, it never mattered. Whether we should or shouldn't support Trump or think racism and homophobia are problems does not depend on whether the Smollett case was a hoax--and it never did.

    Want to learn something from that? The next time somebody tells you that Trump should be supported or opposed because some new incident was racist or homophobic, don't wait to find out whether it's a hoax. Rather, ask your girlfriend if you can borrow your balls for a minute, and tell that person to stop being such an irrational shithead.

  • Ken Shultz||

    Laughing in the faces of stupid people who think the emotional sensitivity of a story makes their stupid conclusions drawn from it invulnerable to rational criticism is exactly what this country needs.

  • buybuydandavis||

    #Shultz2020
    Tough Love for Soft Times

  • Libertymike||

    Some can't even ask their girlfriends to borrow their balls because their cuck contract specifically forbids such a request. In fact, such a request in some cuck contracts constitutes a breach the remedy for which requires the cuck boyfriend to watch not one, but two large Afro men having carnal relations with the girlfriend.

  • Dillinger||

    i'll film

  • Libertymike||

    What if the cuck is a good friend?

  • Tu­lpa||

    Ha! Trick question no one is actually ever friends with a cuck!

  • Eddy||

    I claim that the only relevance has to do with the media reaction - maybe I should say the media/Democrat reaction - and how their preconceptions shape the way they describe events, even if maybe their description doesn't 100% correspond to the actual facts.

    If we have case studies of the media, etc. being gullible or worse, then that's worth filing away for the next time they assure you that Something Horrible Just Happened!

  • Ken Shultz||

    "If we have case studies of the media, etc. being gullible or worse, then that's worth filing away for the next time they assure you that Something Horrible Just Happened!"

    I don't think we should concede the point that the conclusions they're drawing are horseshit if it's a hoax when the fact is that the conclusions are horseshit regardless of whether they're a hoax.

    If a woman claims she was sexually assaulted at a frat party tomorrow, the fact that this accused frat boy--like every other American--should should have his due process rights respected is not dependent on whether the sexual assault is a hoax.

  • Eddy||

    Let's put it this way - if it turns out the MAGA assault story was not true, then when some person or outlet who claimed it *was* true tries to sell another hate-crime or "outrage of the week," then their prior gullibility is worth mentioning.

  • Rob Misek||

    "Laughing in the faces of stupid people" eh?

    No shortage of that going around.

    It's a shame to be in the possession of truth, divinity, and reduce it to a hateful emotion.

    Nobody's perfect.

  • Ken Shultz||

    Those who want to use single instances of racism, sexism, and homophobia to justify support or opposition to candidates and issues that have little or nothing to do with that incident are guilty of more than just being imperfect.

    Why is this so clear to us when we're talking about environmentalism, socialism, and watermelons?

    Don't get sucked into irrelevant cesspools when you can just call them out as irrational and irrelevant cesspools right from the get-go.

  • Rob Misek||

    Yep, stay away from irrelevant cesspools, got it.

    I still don't see how laughing at them accomplishes anything. In fact, it's their own strategy.

    Demonstrating the logical or scientific fallacy of their position is rationally undeniable and completely beyond the comprehension of irrelevant cesspools.

    Once one has stepped on an irrelevant cesspool, how does one scrape him off ones shoe?

  • Ken Shultz||

    If appeals to pity are considered persuasive by so many people, it probably isn't because the people who use appeals to pity are called out and ridiculed for their stupidity. I think it's probably because so many people are too afraid to call these people out in public for the fear of seeming insensitive. The way to overcome that is to overcome your fear. If they want you to be irrational out of fear and pity, using reason to laugh in their faces may be the only appropriate response.

    Insensitivity to appeals to pity is no vice.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_pity

  • Sevo||

    Ken,
    Ask that guy about economic laws. He is convinced they are designed by The Powers to amass money for their own use and impoverish everyone else.
    You are engaging an idiot.

  • Rob Misek||

    Well if it isn't the cesspool I stepped on.

    I don't know if you've noticed, but I never respond to your posts except when you try to foul one of mine. You are a foul smell.

    Fuck off troll.

    How do I scrape dog shit like you off my shoe?

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Hate crimes became the criminal justice fallacy as prosecutors were less and less required to prove intent as an element of non-homicide crimes.

    Imagine if prosecutors had to prove that you intentionally and knowingly exceeded the speed limit in order for you to be found guilty of a speeding violation.

  • UnrepentantCurmudgeon||

    The real problem with "hate crimes" is that the designation becomes not an element of the crime itself but a factor in aggravation. In other words, the mens rea (requisite mental state) for the crime exists and has been established, and in addition to that we have "hate crime" which justifies an even harsher punishment. It in fact has nothing in common with our legal traditions because it relies on factors extraneous to the act itself. If I intend to murder someone and do in fact murder that person, it is premeditated murder. The old axiom "motive is irrelevant" applies. Now, thanks to "hate crime" statutes, motive is everything. The concept does not belong in our statutes.

  • Deconstructed Potato||

    Good grief, that Liz Plank is an obnoxious moron.

  • Deconstructed Potato||

    Ps I have a great deal of respect for Kmele Foster.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    I believe he is used to dealing with this kind of thing and is rather good at it.

  • Juice||

    Who names their kid Jussie?

  • Deconstructed Potato||

    His parents.

  • Deconstructed Potato||

    *rimshot*

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    Wouldn't 'rimjob' be a more applicable word in his case?

  • Dillinger||

    hateful parents

  • AlmightyJB||

    An actual hate crime. Via Glibs.

    http://www.wbko.com/content/ne.....71901.html

  • A Thinking Mind||

    For the conspiracy minded, a bill co-sponsored by Kamala Harris and Cory Booker (people Jussie has close contact with) passed the Senate on Thursday. It makes lynching a Federal crime. Cory Booker rallied support for this bill by citing the Jussie Smollett case, since there was a rope tied around his neck.

    Was Jussie Smollett intentionally trying to help get this bill passed by staging a failed lynching? I mean, actual lynchings haven't been a thing for decades. But then as two democratic presidential candidates are trying to push through a piece of legislation, an acquaintance of theirs stages an attack by Trump supporters in which a "noose" is wrapped around his neck.

  • John||

    I love it that he sucked two Nigerians into helping him. For once an American scammed a Nigerian.

    He is just a piece of shit. And everyone who believed him a vicious idiot.

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    'Sucked'? Yes, that sounds about right.

  • Sidd Finch v2.01||

    Hanlon's razor says nah.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Politicians are scared as shit that when Revolution 2.0 starts they will all be the first to be hanged.

    They're right and old federal law will mean nothing when the government is overthrown.

  • Fats of Fury||

    Jussie thought he heard lunching and when out to Subway to show his support. Unfortunately he encountered two brothers from the whitest part of deepest darkest Africa who relieved him of his lunch money. All 4000 dollars of it.

    Another vicious white perpetrator attacks in Chicago Maga country.
    Sorry, I think the video is a negative.

  • No Longer Amused||

    By "some" you mean "nearly all"....right.....?

  • SimonP||

    But many liberal pundits and thinkers simply believed Smollett because it confirmed all of their biases about the president's supporters.

    Is this part of the reality-based, nuanced reporting you're calling for, or the ironic use of a strawman in order to make your point?

    Many on the left believe that Trump has unleashed a wave of racist, xenophobic, bigoted hatred across America, irrespective of the details of a single incident.

    It is undoubtedly true that Trump has normalized a kind of rhetoric that, at the very least, was not an everyday part of our mainstream political discourse. Whether that rhetoric has unleashed a wave of hatred or merely gives it a voice, I couldn't say. But neither, I hasten to note, can anyone else here.

    For me, the heuristic is simple: what motivates the person who spends his time dissecting hate crime statistics and reports of anti-Semitic violence in order to assert that everything is fine?

    Say you're right, Robby. Say that hate crimes are not up or down in any particularly notable way. Then... what? Do we stop caring about hate crimes. Well, no. Will we have proven that heightened rhetoric has nothing to do with hate crimes? Not exactly. So what's the point, if not to lob a red herring into the debate?

  • Tu­lpa||

    Shut up and take the L bitch.

  • SimonP||

    You Trumpies are awfully easy to trigger.

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    The least you could do is donate more money to the Nigerians to make up for Jussie's cheap-ass payment. $4,000 clearly isn't enough to go to jail for him.

  • ThomasD||

    "It is undoubtedly true that Trump has normalized a kind of rhetoric that, at the very least, was not an everyday part of our mainstream political discourse."

    The rhetoric of faking hate crimes?

    Yep, that certainly has boomed since Trump was elected.

  • Ray McKigney||

    Nobody called Warren Pocahontas before Trump did it. Nobody.

  • Ken Shultz||

    There was also "Lie-awatha" and "Dances with Lies".

  • MotörSteve||

    And, "Land O' Fakes Woman"!

  • Austrian Anarchy||

    Yea, they were calling her Fauxahontas, until Trump messed up the joke and never corrected himself.

  • Sedona Vortex Hunter||

    true, but Trump calling her Pocahontas is one of the funniest things I have heard a politician say publicly to another politician. It actually captured her character and her shameless identity social gaming perfectly. One of the best things Trump has done IMO.

  • Austrian Anarchy||

    And it turns out he was right.

  • buybuydandavis||

    Since her 23andme results, I call her Snow White.

  • Trollificus||

    "She also has a very soft skin. The only trouble with snake women is they copulate with horses, which makes them strange to me. She say's she doesn't. That's why I call her "Doesn't Like Horses". But, of course, she's lying."
    ~Old Lodge Skins

  • Trollificus||

    "She also has a very soft skin. The only trouble with snake women is they copulate with horses, which makes them strange to me. She say's she doesn't. That's why I call her "Doesn't Like Horses". But, of course, she's lying."
    ~Old Lodge Skins

  • SimonP||

    The rhetoric of faking hate crimes?

    No, racist and sexist rhetoric.

  • ThomasD||

    Faking a hate crime is bigotry.

  • Sevo||

    You really are a scummy piece of shit, aren't you?

    SimonP|2.18.19 @ 5:45PM|#
    "But many liberal pundits and thinkers simply believed Smollett because it confirmed all of their [...]
    Is this part of the reality-based, nuanced reporting you're calling for, or the ironic use of a strawman in order to make your point?"

    Maybe it's simply true, as you show just below:
    ----
    "Many on the left believe that Trump has unleashed a wave of racist, xenophobic, bigoted hatred across America, [...]
    It is undoubtedly true that Trump has normalized a kind of rhetoric that, at the very least, was not an everyday part of our mainstream political discourse. Whether that rhetoric has unleashed a wave of hatred or merely gives it a voice, I couldn't say. But neither, I hasten to note, can anyone else here."

    You just proved the first claim, on top of being full of shit.
    ------
    "For me, the heuristic is simple: what motivates the person who spends his time dissecting hate crime statistics and reports of anti-Semitic violence in order to assert that everything is fine?
    Say you're right, Robby. Say that hate crimes are not up or down in any particularly notable way. Then... what? Do we stop caring about hate crimes. Well, no. Will we have proven that heightened rhetoric has nothing to do with hate crimes? Not exactly. So what's the point, if not to lob a red herring into the debate?"

    Perhaps to lend some skepticism into a bunch of lies? Which brain-dead lefties like you could use.

  • Cyto||

    Look, if you spend time trying to pick apart a progressive's arguments with logic, you simply out yourself as a racist from the get-go. It is that simple.

    (and no, this totally isn't an extension of the left's go-to "racist" epithet that is used to shut down any and all disagreement)

  • SimonP||

    You just proved the first claim, on top of being full of shit.

    You seem to be having difficulty telling the difference between instances of racist and misogynistic rhetoric and hate crimes.

    Perhaps to lend some skepticism into a bunch of lies? Which brain-dead lefties like you could use.

    Being preemptively skeptical about notable hate crimes - some of which turn out to be hoaxes - does not really shed a light on the issues or point a particular direction on what the right policy might tend to be.

    Like I said, it's a red herring. Get people talking about whether the crimes are hoaxes, so that no one worries about the underlying problem.

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    You might as well be crying about all the jackalopes threatened by global warming.

  • soldiermedic76||

    Or, if the vast majority prove to be hoaxes, maybe the underlying problem is the assumption nthat there is a problem? Occam's razor?

  • soldiermedic76||

    Also, what Robby didn't note but should have is that part of the growth in hate crimes has been a marked increase in hate crimes against whites. How does that play into your underlying problem?

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    Nothing you wrote in that shitpost is remotely accurate.

  • SimonP||

    Eloquently put, moron.

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    Sucks you didn't get your hate crime jerkoff event, doesn't it, fuckhead?

  • soldiermedic76||

    SimonP reminds me of an ex friend of mine who kept stating the same bullshit about hate crimes being up since Trump was elected. And how racism was a big issue because if Trump. He loved to point out these type of events and when they inevitabily proved to be false, he would do the same thing as SimonP did above. It doesn't matter that this one was a hoax, it's still a problem and only knuckle draggers who voted for Trump would disagree.

  • soldiermedic76||

    The total lack of self awareness is just astounding.

  • Roman Moroni||

    Don't you want hate crime statistics dissected for accuracy? Isn't truth and justice the goal rather than doubling down on any narrative?

    I am not a trump supporter. But you just assume it as fact that he's "normalized" something.

    I have no idea what facts you are drawing on to make this assertion. And I don't know what you even mean by "normalize."

    If you can show evidence that his words actually cause people to commit crimes who otherwise wouldn't, that would mean something to me. This story should matter to us non-Trump supporters and we should be the first to seek the truth and nothing but. We should make sure never to let our bias come before truth or we risk losing credibility and risk that our legitimate concerns about Trump are dismissed if we stupidly choose to double down on narratives that prove false.

    I want to know if a "crises" is real or if it's not. I want to know the real statistics. I'm not afraid of the truth. And I want Trump supporters to know that I don't ever want the truth ignored just to support a preferred narrative.

    I don't have a preferred narrative other than truth itself. I don't need to have been right. I want to end up being right, regardless of what right ends up being.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    MAGA hate crimes are happening by the hundreds every week, and the more we cover it up the worse it is going to get.

  • Austrian Anarchy||

    Fake MAGA hate crimes are being fabricated every day, and they need to continue until everybody is aware of the level of hate and bigotry in this country.

  • Publius_Hamilton||

    @CrustyJuggler. Cite your sources for your oh so certain statement of fact that "MAGA hate crimes are happening by the hundreds every week". I'll withhold judgment until you've have had a reasonable chance to respond.

  • ThomasD||

    No doubt some conservatives went looking for holes in Smollett's story because they wanted to rebut a criticism of President Donald Trump (i.e., that his rhetoric emboldens racists and bigots). But many liberal pundits and thinkers simply believed Smollett because it confirmed all of their biases about the president's supporters.

    Typical weak sauce from Froot Sooshi.

    How about the 'conservatives' simply had functional bullshit detectors and no fear about speaking their minds. So what about those " several left-of-center writers" who shared your doubts???

    Why no deep Robby insights into their reason for keeping their skeptical pie holes shut?

    Why no questioning of their all too obvious motives?

    The pox on both houses schtick is beyond lame when you cannot even pretend to hide your all too obvious biases.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    Take the hard line, cocktail party squish!

  • Cyto||

    Robby had the same insights.

    It was pretty much a no-brainer to be skeptical on this one if you were not in the tank for the progressive agenda. It wasn't quite as over-the-line as the UVA rape hoax, but it had the same hallmarks of details that just don't ring true.

  • Austrian Anarchy||

    Plus, it was nearly identical to the Morton Downey, Jr. swastika hoax of 1989.

    Difference here is, NOBODY believed Downey at all, ever.

    Wonder what changed?

  • Austrian Anarchy||

    Exactly who were these left-of-center writers and why weren't they writing about the event with skepticism?

  • ThomasD||

    Well, that's the thing isn't it? Robby tells us he knows these people, and has spoken to them directly. Did he think or bother to ask "if you are skeptical, why not say so publicly?"

    No, Robby wouldn't tell us the result of that conversation, nor ever tell us who they specifically are that chose to remain silent in the face of a suspected hoax.

    Double standards that only work in one direction indeed.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    Vox's Liz Plank

    First, she IS CANADIAN, and I am TIRED of these DIRTY SNOWBACKS involving themselves in OUR politics. BUILD THE NORTHERN WALL, MR. PRESIDENT!

    Second, she is really good looking and would easily be able to convince me this was a legitimate hate crime.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Kamala Harris gives awkward response when asked about Jussie Smollett claims

    During an appearance at a bookstore in Concord, N.H., a female reporter asked the senator from California if she wanted to amend a tweet from Jan. 29, in which she said Smollett was the victim of "an attempted modern day lynching" and called the actor "one of the kindest, most gentle human beings I know."

    "Which tweet? What tweet?" Harris asked. As the reporter specified the tweet in question, Harris appeared to look around for a campaign staffer before responding.

    "OK, so, I will say this about that case," she said. "I think that the facts are still unfolding, and, um, I'm very, um, concerned about obviously, the initial, um, allegation that he made about what might have happened.

    "And it's something we should all take seriously whenever anyone, um, alleges that kind of behavior, but there should be an investigation," Harris added. "And I think that once the investigation has concluded then we can all comment, but I'm not going to comment until I know the outcome of the investigation."

  • loveconstitution1789||

    KAMALA HARRIS' JAMAICAN HERITAGE – UPDATED – 14.01.2019

    Any notion that California Senator Kamala Harris does not know much about, or underplays her Jamaican heritage was dispelled on a recent visit to South Florida, home to over 100,000 Jamaicans. In Miami for a fund-raiser in support of Senator Bill Nelson, she and sister Maya rubbed shoulders and posed for photos with a number of prominent Jamaican Americans, including Mayor of the City of Miramar Wayne Messam and City of Miramar Commissioner Winston Barnes among others.

    Poor Kamala Harris, things are just not starting for well for her.

  • Tony||

    So this is what's all over FOX News right now, I take it?

  • AlmightyJB||

    I don't understand. Why would this be an issue?

  • Ken Shultz||

    Maybe it's another Birther thing? I don't know.

  • Eddy||

    Jamaican me crazy!

  • Publius_Hamilton||

    Because she already "commented" at the outset and had very strong opinions when the story fit her narrative. Now she's wimping out and hiding behind her "I'm not going to comment until I know the outcome of the investigation" comment! Hey Kamala! You already commented! Why didn't you take that position when you first learned about the alleged attack? Couldn't pass up taking a swing at that slow lob over the plate? Why not take that position during the Kavanaugh hearings?

    This hits her credibility in a bad way. Just watch the friendly media bend over backward and forward to try to bail her out.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    She is playing the I'm 100% American and 100% Jamaican game.

    Just like Obama played the 100% Black Kenyan and 100% American game.

  • XM||

    You guys remember when Corey Feldman was hospitalized after he was apparently attacked, even though the attacker only made slashing gestures with the knife? No one ever believed he was injured in an attack. The hospital photos revealed no serious wounds.

    The guy obviously overreacted or tried to score sympathy points, but no one cared about the incident. Hardly anyone felt for his well being or obligated to believe him by default, even though he was a victim of Hollywood pedophilia and virtually everyone ignored his side of his story before Metoo.

    Listen to the weasel Booker and Harris now mumble about "waiting until facts are known". They're at the forefront of the identity politics and mob governance, which by definition eschews facts of any kind. It's not rational to believe someone more because they belong to a race or orientation. The mob can act this way, not people we elect to uphold the law. The democrat party is a disgrace, and their witch hunt will almost certainly ensnare many innocent people of color.

  • Rob Misek||

    Yes, we need to follow due process.

    Somebody needs to go to jail.

    If he lied, it was a hate crime against white people.

    If not, the two who spilled the beans need to.

  • Heresy Hunter||

    I can't beleive how these people, whether they be on npr news or cnn, actually try to pin blame on the president for something he literally had nothing to do with in any way.

    Whenever there is supposedly some "hate crime" they say that trump "incited" the perpetrator to violence.

    Like we elect the president to be some role model for kids. Yeah right.

  • Two Buck Chuck||

    Democrats have been inciting mobs without evidence since they ran the KKK. The last thing they'll do is be more discerning when something fits the narrati...errr. REAL LIFE FOR EVERYONE SINCE ORANGE MAN BAD!

  • buybuydandavis||

    They still run the Klan.

    Still trying to terrorize Blacks with racist attacks.
    Except in the Klan 2.0, they pretend they are protecting Blacks from their own hoax attacks.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    +100

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    Watching that dumbass ditch-licker Ellen Page have a meltdown on Colbert over this was one of the top Clownworld moments of this whole saga.

  • Trollificus||

    Plus she blew my whole "Small Tits/Big Brains Theory" right to shit. She could not have sounded more stupid if she'd been an actual politician speaking extemporaneously.

  • Fats of Fury||

    Smollett's got one more card to play, the anti-semite one. Maybe the ADL will swoop down and save his ass.

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    Well, he did only pay the Nigerian brothers $4000 to commit fraud and conspiracy, so you might be on to something there.

  • Austrian Anarchy||

    Turns out, those "Nigerians" were born in Chicago and grew up there. Smollett loses points for using fake migrants.

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    If the FBI finds that he or the brothers mailed that death threat he got a couple weeks before the incident, he's federally fucked. Right now, he's just looking at doing off-off-off Broadway plays and hand model ads for the next 2-5 years until some the stink of all this washes off.

    Maybe his sister will hire him on as an assistant so he can still live in his swank Chicago apartment.

  • Austrian Anarchy||

    Apparently he was in a play right before the horrible, homophobic, racist attack!
    https://dailym.ai/2Se33E5


    EXCLUSIVE: Jussie Smollett appeared in a play about a biracial, gay sports star who endures attacks similar to the one he reported to police just HOURS before his 'assault,' and used Instagram to 'alert Nigerian brothers to his location'

    And, even if guilty of crimes with the mails, nothing of consequence will happen to him.

  • Austrian Anarchy||

    Robby,

    Specially crafted for you. Wear it with pride.
    https://bit.ly/2tu8Xqq

    And Jesse Walker hipped me to the prior art that Smollett is ripping off, from Morton Downey, Jr. no less!
    https://bit.ly/2DQJ6Os

  • Gaear Grimsrud||

    "None of this means that racism and other forms of bigotry are nonexistent, or even that they're rare."
    Well considering the fact that the entire MSM is desperately searching for hate crimes committed by homophobic racist Trump supporters and can only come up with fakes and hoaxes, I'm guessing the number is vanishingly rare.

  • Austrian Anarchy||

    Yes, there is plenty of it. Just turns out it is done by protected allies of the MSM, so THAT is why it is not talked about. I wonder if this will make national news? Racial slurs, violence, etc.
    https://bit.ly/2RYgDQu

    What about this? Same general area where Rand Paul got his ribs busted by a leftard. Even has TWO people wearing MAGA hats!
    https://bit.ly/2NeFdXA

  • Pat001||

    The Left is invested in keeping people stirred up and thinking it's 1960 and we still have segregated lunch counters.

  • Earth Skeptic||

    Given Smollet's show biz experience, why couldn't he at least cast two white dudes in the attacker roles?

  • Austrian Anarchy||

    Maybe he doesn't know any white people?

  • UnrepentantCurmudgeon||

    He obviously did not expect his story to be vetted. And why should he? He's a medium-profile black actor looking for publicity in an industry that will give him plenty of it before actual facts are established. Why is that important to him? He was on the verge of being written out of "Empire". Now it is probably unlikely that he will be, and if he is it is more likely than not that he will be picked up for some other show. So it was a career move, plain and simple.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Roberto wore a suit for a television appearance! He's my new hero.

    Tucker Carlson called him an - no, wait, THE - expert on hate crimes, and it's hard to dispute it at this point. But just so this comment isn't a total gush, I will say that the product in his hair made him look a little like Philip J. Fry.

  • John C. Randolph||

    The real examples of collectivism-motivated crimes tend to be ignored by the leftard media, since most of them are committed against Jews.

    -jcr

  • Publius_Hamilton||

    "since most of them are committed against Jews".

    Please cite your sources, sir.

  • John C. Randolph||

  • Dan S.||

    Can we get a figure for how many hate crimes were reported in 2017 by just those agencies that were doing such reporting in 2016? Or won't the DOJ break it down that way?

  • DenverJ||

    But despite Trump's very real history of making disparaging remarks about all kinds of people...

    Sure. But I've never heard him say anything bad about black people or gay people, the two characteristics this idiot tried to allege caused this "attack".

  • Publius_Hamilton||

    It's refreshing to read a well written and unbiased article on such a highly emotional topic. We need to collectively slow our roll and avoid the rush to judgment. It's ok to allow our emotions to motivate as long as we allow our intellect an opportunity to evaluate. In other words, take a breather and even sleep on it before pressing the proverbial Send button.

  • mtrueman||

    Jussie Smollett Reminds Us That Some Hate Crimes Are Hoaxes""

    The crime may have been a hoax but the hatred is real.

  • Liberty Lover||

    the hoax is just a different kind of hate.

  • Mickey Rat||

    Another case of "fake but accurate".

  • Pat001||

    You have to hate someone a lot to perpetrate a hoax you know will spark a national uproar.

  • ThomasD||

    Yep, it's pretty obvious that Smollett's judgement was clouded by his hatred of Trump.

    I mean, how much of a dumbass do you have to be to not see that your story is ridiculously implausible?

  • ThomasD||

    It is a Walter Mitty dreaming he won gold at the Victimhood Olympics level of fantasy.

  • Rob Misek||

    I'm devastated.

    He scored so high on the intersectionality chart.

  • ||

    All criminal justice statistics are a mess. Torture them and they will confess to anything.

  • colorblindkid||

    According to the FBI stats, every year between 20-25% of hate crime offenders are black, around twice their share of the population. This means that black Americans are twice as likely to commit a hate crime as white Americans. You would think we would discuss why this is.

  • Pat001||

    That *sound* you hear is the sound of Democrats, reporters and show biz celebrities quietly deleting their Jussie Smollett tweets.

  • JonFrum||

    To be a black, gay victim of a crime, don't you have to be black? And why didn't they add Jewish? (h/t to dad).

  • Lester224||

    I think Smollett is a secret MAGA hat guy doing his best to make the hatless look bad.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    To be sure, hate crimes do occur, like what those Duke Lacrosse boys did to that girl.

  • zombietimeshare||

    Is a "hate crime" that is a hoax is any less a hate crime? A hate crime was committed only he was the perpetrator, not the victim.

  • hayek > friedman||

    despite Reason trying to not be like the Mises institute, it apparently attracts the same paleo-conservative crowd. I see comments wishing rape on Jussie. Tucker Carlson quotes? Quotes about the democrats being the party of slavery, because nothing's changed since 1950???

    The reason why libertarianism doesn't get anywhere, among other things, has got to have something to do with the trashy, right-wing comments often made by people claiming (falsely) to be libertarian. Hope the maga-libertarians never find out about its left-wing origins.

  • Hank Ferrous||

    No true libertarians, but the 1s w/ whom you agree, I see. And, 1950? Pick up a book. You seem a bit too dim, and am guessing too thin-skinned to hold your own in a forum of diverse viewpoints.

  • hayek > friedman||

    [citation missing]

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    "I'll ignore the fact that this guy committed several felonies due to narcissism and TDS. Clearly the problem is 4-5 comments out of a 300-plus comment thread."

  • hayek > friedman||

    why haven't you ended your life yet? i thought we agreed it wasn't worth living. Good luck wishing rape on people. That's both mature and proportional to a false crime report.

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    Take the L and your own advice, Toby.

  • hayek > friedman||

    cute. it's trying to mimic me again.

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    Not nearly as adorable as "Jussie Smollet turned himself in to police."

  • hayek > friedman||

    translation "i don't like black people, and for some reason, my ego can't stand the possibility that i might be prejudiced" - red rocks (daddy's???) white privilege

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    Jussie the Retard actually cut those fuckers a check.

  • Uniqueusernamenotused||

    It took me less than 30 seconds on Google to find what anyone would consider "reputable" news outlets initially reporting on the attack and using the MAGA quote which is referenced at approx the 1:30 mark in the video. Liz Plank is either outright lying or does not know how to perform a simple search. There are dozens of national and and local affiliates as well as national press using that quote in their initial reporting. VOX themselves (in their initial reporting) linked directly to a TMZ story which also references the MAGA quote multiple times. True, Vox is careful to note that the TMZ story contains "unconfirmed details," but then why link to it at all? (Answer: shift liability away from them while still being able to basically report unverified claims). In Vox's more recent "let us explain why you are all racist homophobes and we are virtuous morally superior truth-tellers" piece also contains the quote. It's pretty embarrassing.

  • vek||

    I think the best thing I have heard in reference to this was from a YouTube channel I listen to sometimes.

    "Well, I guess we can now add committing hate crimes to the supposedly long list of jobs 'Americans just aren't willing to do anymore' so to speak."

    This of course being funny because it was 2 Nigerians that helped with this fraud. I LOLed SUPER hard when he said that.

  • Naaman Brown||

    I will say that Jussie Smollett is probably a better actor than he is a screenwriter.

  • hayek > friedman||

    one hate crime hoax? Obviously this one anecdote reveals a trend [citation missing] and justifies my belief that white people are somehow disadvantaged today in the US.

  • DrZ||

    The problem with statistics is that 71% of them are made up on the spot.

  • XM||

    None of us actually anticipated contrition and introspection from the left once this story was debunked.

    "We still have to believe stories like this for the sake of future victims" is their most popular takeaway from this debacle, no surprise there. Many believe the racist Chicago police have framed Jussie. A few are really angry that Jussie allowed the right wing to score points.

    It's all identity politics and tribalism. The narrative would be totally different Smollett was a white woman who hired black actors to stage a rape. In that case, hurrah for dispassionate inquiries and due process, because predatory white people lie to frame innocent people of color!

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    I don't know what's better here, Smollet completely immolating his career, or the salt from butthurt shitlibs that he wasn't actually beat up by Trump supporters.

  • hayek > friedman||

    hey look, white trash!

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    The hicklib knows about white trash because he sees it all the time. It's called a mirror.

  • hayek > friedman||

    underwhelmed. if you're gonna be that white trash troll, owning the libs with your burnt nikes while you wear diapers, at least be clever. Otherwise, put uncle billy's member back in your mouth and get back to work!

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    What is it with you hicklibs and incest?

  • Jim Walsh||

    "No doubt some conservatives went looking for holes in Smollett's story..."

    A lot of them, actually. And Smollett should be hit hard for giving them the ammunition.

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