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Disney Fires Guardians of the Galaxy Director James Gunn Over Politically Incorrect Tweets

Conservatives who participated in this lynch mob are hypocrites.

GunnParisaMichelle / SplashNews/NewscomThe Walt Disney Company has fired filmmaker James Gunn, director of the Marvel franchise Guardians of the Galaxy films, due to revelations that he—gasp—said some very offensive things on Twitter many years ago.

It's no accident these tweets were suddenly discovered; right-wing bloggers including Mike Cernovich and Jack Posobiec (with an assist from Breitbart and The Daily Caller) went digging after Gunn made negative remarks about conservative writer Ben Shapiro on Twitter. Ironically, Gunn was actually offering a very qualified defense of liberal actor and director Mark Duplass for saying Ben Shapiro was someone the left should engage.

Gunn's tweets reference violence and sexual assault against children. They are gross. But he says they were intended as jokes, and there's really no reason to suspect otherwise. While many have implied that the tweets include a link to child pornography, this is false—the link in question is harmless.

Gunn said he was a very different person when he wrote those tweets, and had previously apologized.

"I viewed myself as a provocateur, making movies and telling jokes that were outrageous and taboo," he said in a statement. "In the past, I have apologized for humor of mine that hurt people. I truly felt sorry and meant every word of my apologies."

This really ought to have been enough. But we live in an era where both the left and the right are eager to collect the scalps of people who offend them. Conservatives who participated in the lynch mob against Gunn are hypocrites, since they have often scolded the left for doing this exact same thing.

On Twitter, I see the right-wing personalities insisting that they are merely forcing the left to abide by its own standards: if Roseanne had to lose her job, then Gunn should, too. This is exactly the kind of escalation I warned about when I criticized the knee-jerk cancellation of Roseanne. What a dull and unforgiving world the P.C. outrage mobs are creating for us.

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  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Ironically, Gunn was actually offering a very qualified defense of liberal actor and director Mark Duplass for saying Ben Shapiro was someone the left should engage.

    Man, people were so pissed off yesterday about that. They were so angry about him saying Left and Right should engage with each other. My favorite line I saw was, "Ben Shapiro is a racist." Full stop, as a response to talking to him. No evidence, no further thoughts.

  • John||

    The funny thing about that is that Shapiro is a bootlicking putz. Shapiro is all about how the right needs to be reasonable and never fight dirty no matter how nasty the left is. A lot of good it did him.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Honestly, this fight here didn't touch Shapiro, it was all on Mark Duplass for saying that Shapiro is a person willing to talk. And a possible bridge for Left/Right politics.

  • John||

    It didn't touch him but the left hates him just as much as they do anyone else. Shapiro thinks he can be reasonable with the left and that they don't hate him. He is as he often is sadly mistaken.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    I don't know much about Shapiro, but I will not shit on him if he's trying to start a conversation.

  • John||

    He is not that bad of a guy. He is just a self-promoter. He is one of those people who spends his time arguing with progs and thinks he is smart because he wins. it never occurs to him that anyone can win an argument with Progs because they are stupid and crazy.

  • BYODB||

    Shapiro is sort of a provocateur, but really only in the sense that the arguments he tackles are usually as you say the low hanging fruit of Progressivism.

    In fairness though, that's probably about 90% of Progressivism. He has that weird indescribable Ted Cruz smarm that just makes me want to punch him though, and I don't think I'm alone there.

  • MasterThief||

    I like the guy and can agree with that sentiment.

  • Hidebehindyourcause||

    Shapiro is definitely a provocateur, but he's polite and fairly nice. He also happens to hold a few libertarian views, and knows his shit.

  • DiegoF||

    What suggests to you that he genuinely thinks that? And what do you think his role is; what are you comparing him to? He's a media mascot. (Look, he even looks like a muppet.) It's not like he's off writing research reports for the Heartland Institute.

    Also, he is one of the few anti-Trump conservative figures who is not reflexively so, let alone putting slid into putting on a minstrel show for the Left; he takes Trump's side when he feels he deserves it. (His subtleties aren't particularly good, because he's not quite as smart as he thinks, but still.) I'm most upset with him because he's moderate on gun control.

    A lot of these people are basically college-campus standup entertainers that essentially replace the actual ones who say they can't play campuses anymore because they are a bunch of harpies. Maybe it's too bad that campus conservatives and libertarians are spending money hosting YouTube celebrities instead of philosophers, economists, or political strategists, but that seems to be what they do and Shapiro is probably one of the better ones.

    Anyway I think he is a significant net good for anti-Leftism so I like him for what he is.

  • Finrod||

    Agreed. Ben Shapiro is willing to give credit to Trump when he does something good and willing to flame him to a cinder when he does something stupid. That's why leftists and Trumpublicans both hate him.

  • Gunslinger||

    Incorrect. He does not think that. He knows they hate him. However, he is practicing what he believes regardless of what they think of him.

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    All I know about Mark Duplass is that.....oh, man, I can't post that, it's a huge spoiler. Seriously, go watch season 2 of Goliath. Thank me later.

  • The Iconoclast||

    He's super good/creepy in that.

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    He was 'Pete' on 'The League'.

  • Just Say'n||

    "Shapiro is a bootlicking putz"

    Imagine being John

  • Just Say'n||

    John: Shapiro doesn't fight back against the Left

    Normal conservative: What do you expect him to do?

    John: Fight

    Man the barracks, Shapiro! Begun has the Twitter war of virtual toughies

  • John||

    Shapiro is a half-wit. Did you read his big piece a few weeks ago about how conservatives can win over millennials? It was laughable. Shapiro breathlessly informed us that millennials want freedom and to be left alone, but also care deeply about character and don't want to be around people who do bad things like cheat on their wives. No shit. He wrote that and seems to not understand how those to things conflict.

    Then he informed us that millennial conservatives are really angry that because of Trump they are being called racist. I kid you not. Look it up if you don't believe me. Why does anyone know that clown's name?

  • Just Say'n||

    Shapiro is a warmonger, but not anymore than the "reasonable" conservatives (by the Left's new standards) like Max Boot and Bill Kristol.

  • John||

    I don't like those guys either. And yes, he is a Wilsonian who thinks it is everyone else' job to die for his ideals.

  • damikesc||

    He's dramatically better than Boot or Kristol. I believe Shapiro believes what he is writing while the other are cashing paychecks and don't mean shit.

    He is hardly provocative by any rational measure. The treatment of him, though, should disabuse the Right of the whole "Let's not sink to their level" assumptions. He doesn't and look at what they do to him.

  • Just Say'n||

    To be fair, neconservatives like Boot and Kristol, though, just want to kill Arabs. They'll believe in anything you want them to believe in so long as they get to murder people overseas. That's probably why the Left loves them so much.

  • Praveen R.||

    Bill Kristol is viewed as a bigger kook by my friends on the left. If anything, my friends on the right liked him more during the Bush years.

  • JTP||

    Um, I'm a mellenial who wants to be left alone and also cares about character and doesn't necessarily want to hang out with cheating guys and other "bad" people. Not sure how those are mutually exclusive. I want to be left alone and I also want to choose who to freely associate with... Soooo logically inconsistent. Stupid mellenials, right?! Sure wish I could be as logically consistent as you lol

    With that being said, fuck that war monger.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    Freedom of assembly includes the freedom to kick people out of the assembly if they violate the social norms of that assembly. John Locke's Letter Concerning Tolerance explains the concept. Millennials have every right to ditch a guy for cheating on his wife or to create a new religion that sanctifies swinging and/or prostitution. Hey, if the Union of Reform Judaism can endorse same-sex marriages, than the Church of G can endorse prostitution.

  • James Solbakken||

    "Then he informed us that millennial conservatives are really angry that because of Trump they are being called racist. I kid you not. Look it up if you don't believe me. Why does anyone know that clown's name?"

    Invariably the young are unaware of what happened the day before yesterday when they were born.

    I my self was slightly surprised to find out that Demonic Rats have been calling Redumblicans "Nazis" since the 1930s, just as soon as the Nazi's lost favor with the socialistic Demonic Rats.

  • John||

    Being John is fabulous. A lot better than being Shapiro.

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    Are you fabulous, John? I always suspected.

  • John||

    Isn't that okay here?

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    Of course. It's celebrated here.

  • Shirley Knott||

    I was told there'd be cake?

  • Fk_Censorship||

    This explains all the bickering between John and Tony!

  • DiegoF||

    Name a more iconic duo. I'll wait.

  • Seamus||

    The cake is a lie.

  • MarkLastname||

    Haha, that's amusing. He disapproves if your beloved president and that makes *him* the bootlicker? Methinks projection rears its ugly head.

  • Just Say'n||

    Robby is being disingenuous here. Gunn offered no defense. He only said that Duplass had screwed up for suggesting Shapiro as a conservative to follow. He then insisted that Shapiro was an asshole and then went on to accuse the Jewish Nazi of every "ism" under the sun.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    I have no idea about Gunn's involvement. I just saw other people involved in the shit show that came from Mark Duplass' tweet. Something that is really not very offensive in any way.

  • Just Say'n||

    It's linked in Robby's article. Gunn was defending his friend- not the action of his friend.

  • John||

    I love it when the left accuses some Jew of being a Nazi. Accusing people of being a Nazi is like an involuntary action. They just can't help themselves.

    The funny thing is that in their rush to call everyone Nazi's they miss the obvious criticism that can be made of pretty much all Jewish right wingers. That is that they all rant and rave about the evils of tribalism and racism only to turn right around and tell us about the glories of the Jewish people and Israel. Those two positions really don't mesh very well.

  • DiegoF||

    What sort of Jewish right wingers are you talking about? There are several types, and all of them seem to me to have an Israel stance that fits well in with their overall worldview.

    The neocons' position on Israel is exactly what you'd expect from someone with that outlook towards such a country anywhere in the world.

    The Israeli Right are rather ruthless pragmatists who actually have lately been appalling and shocking the respectable global neoliberal Center with their utter lack of cooperation in smearing the horrible civil-national "populists" rising everywhere as neo-Nazis.

    The everyday bridge-and-tunnel type Jewish Republicans--basically the minority of the Jews that is assimilating into "white ethnic" status according to the normal pattern of other groups, rather than the "prog bougie" one that the Jews remain disproportionately prone to--does not do much "ranting and raving about the evils of tribalism and racism." They do often display some hypocrisy, but that's best characterized as turning from Archie Bunker for all other races into triggered SJWs when it comes to anti-Semitism.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    I guess there are two routes immigrant groups can take to assimilate into America's "white ethnic" status. Either you go the Republican route like the Mormons and Evangelicals who believe in the fundamental values found in the USA Constitution and respect the diversity of religious beliefs found within America, or you go the Democratic route where you believe the church you join does not matter because all religions share the same universal values as your historically white Mainline Protestant church that maintains political ties with the historically Black Church a couple miles down the road.

  • Mark22||

    That is that they all rant and rave about the evils of tribalism and racism only to turn right around and tell us about the glories of the Jewish people and Israel.

    I don't see how why the two are incompatible. Saying "I prefer to be around other Jews" is fundamentally different from saying "the US government should discriminate against group X".

  • sharmota4zeb||

    Hitler is the Satan of Progressive theology. He started his career as a good socialist who agreed with most of their beliefs then had a fall from grace and lost the war.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    Come to think of it, Hitler lost the war after attacking Stalin, which means the analogy fits very well.

  • Cy||

    +1

  • GILMORE™||

    "He then insisted that Shapiro was an asshole and then went on to accuse the Jewish Nazi of every "ism" under the sun."

    This is what robby meant by, "very qualified defense"?

    Why am i not surprised.

  • SIV||

    Shapiro is a Jewish Nazi. That is one of the very few things I agree with some of the left on. He called for the forcible expulsion of non-Jewish Israeli citizens.

  • John||

    Tribalism and nationalism are evil SIV, unless it is Shapiro's tribe doing it. That is totally different.

    Do people like Shapiro and Jonah Goldberg and Brett Stephens who run around calling everyone to the right of them populists and tribalists think no one notices their hypocrisy?

  • DiegoF||

    People should ask him about his current position on transfer, which was last articulated as far as I know as a teenager sixteen years ago.

    The Nazis ended up putting six million Jews in ovens in an effort to exterminate their race, which is something Hitler had always wanted to do. This was their morally definitive historical action, so to speak. It was not expelling a centuries-old minority population in order to create a more ethnically homogenous state. The latter has been far too common to be characteristic of anyone. It was done to the Germans themselves by the victorious Allies, for example, as Shapiro points out in his piece. (It's also of course worth noting that, unlike the Germans and Palestinian Arabs, the German Jews had done nothing to aggress the Germans and were not hurting anyone.)

    We now live in a world in which transferring Palestinian Arabs as a people--no matter how much of a mortal, potentially genocidal security threat they have indeed proven themselves to be--would be considered a massive human rights violation. I'm glad that that is the new standard, even though it would be nice if others were held to it (and everything else expected of Israel) as well. But I think to put population transfer in its proper perspective as a historical atrocity, instead of thinking of it as characteristically "Nazi," would involve rather more self-reflection than the world is ready for right now.

  • Fk_Censorship||

    There had been some German Jews who tried to overthrow the country and resorted to terror attacks. That was probably used by some to stir up anti semitic sentiment (much like anti Muslim sentiment is being peddled today).

  • sharmota4zeb||

    You must be talking about the communist who had a reputation for committing terrorism in the name of economic equality (AKA social justice). I don't think any German Jews called for the extermination of Germans the way Hamas called for the extermination of Jews.

  • Fk_Censorship||

    Communists were advocating the extermination of an entire class of people, and in the places where they found their way to power, they generally followed through with their plan.

  • DiegoF||

    Update: Ben Shapiro has explicitly morally (and strategically, for what it's worth) denounced those who call for transfer on at least one occasion, in 2013. That is most certainly his opinion on the issue, by all evidence. God knows I wouldn't want to be held to everything I thought I believed as a teenager.

  • Mark22||

    He called for the forcible expulsion of non-Jewish Israeli citizens.

    Liar.

  • Gunslinger||

    Don't be stupid.

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    If the progressives all simultaneously committed mass suicide, all these problems would go away.

  • perlchpr||

    Yeah, but gods, what a mess to clean up afterwards.

  • James Solbakken||

    "saying Ben Shapiro was someone the left should engage."

    So called "engagement" with the "left" is possible only to this extent: If you run in to a person who claims to be on the "left" and they seem to be rational and sane, ask them what the hell is wrong with them, and, why can't they see that the "left" is psychopathological and under the control of psychotic megalomaniacs.

    This and only this is reasonable and moral engagement with the so called "left."

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    #MeToo

  • John||

    On Twitter, I see the right-wing personalities insisting that they are merely forcing the left to abide by its own standards: if Roseanne had to lose her job, then Gunn should, too. This is exactly the kind of escalation I warned about when I criticized the knee-jerk cancellation of Roseanne.

    Now that your warning has come to fruition, maybe the left will back off. If it doesn't, then we are no worse off than we were before. In fact, we are better off since a double standard is worse than a bad standard applied evenly. If they do, then we all owe the people who got this guy's scalp a giant thank you for finally making the left understand that they can be forced to live by the rules they apply to everyone else.

  • Nige||

    Except 'the left' discovered his tweets years ago. He apologised and everyone moved on.

    It's the right wing standard of people shouldn't suffer consequence for saying terrible things that's shown to be the joke everyone already knows it is.

  • John||

    Except 'the left' discovered his tweets years ago. He apologised and everyone moved on.

    Of course, they did. He is a leftist in good standing. They would never have done that if he had been a conservative. That is why running him off now is just applying the standard to him that the left would have applied had he been a conservative.

  • Nige||

    Proving that the right have no standards or principals, or none they won't openly go against if it suits them.

  • John||

    It doesn't prove that at all. This is about the left and its failure to apply its own insane standards to its own. That fact says nothing about the right.

  • Nige||

    Except that the right will go against its own principals when it suits them and hide behind a transparently childish rationale while doing it.

  • John||

    Expecting the other side to apply its own rules to itself is not going against your principles. It is expecting others to live by theirs or stop expecting you to.

  • Nige||

    At this point you're just admitting you're okay with him being fired because he's supposedly a lefty, and said something mean about someone on the right, which is certainly a principal, I suppose.

  • John||

    At this point, you seem to think that it is okay for the left to just apply its rules to people it doesn't like.It is not. And they won't stop doing this crap until they come to understand that the rules will be applied to them. Basically, you want the leftists to win so that you can feel good about yourself. Have fun being a principled loser. But I will pass on that.

  • Gunslinger||

    Until they hire Roseanne back, firing Gunn is just being consistent, which they normally aren't, so yes, it's a good thing, for now.

  • damikesc||

    At this point you're just admitting you're okay with him being fired because he's supposedly a lefty, and said something mean about someone on the right, which is certainly a principal, I suppose.
  • damikesc||

    I hate this site frequently.

    The Right deals with this issue A LOT. The Left set the rules. The Left expects only the Right to abide by them.

    Fuck that.

    Why did so many Progressive Hollywood men who claim to have known what Weinstein was doing do a fucking thing until he was outed?

  • damikesc||

    Gunn was on board with the Ingraham boycott and Roseanne firing. HE chose the rules, not the Right. Why should we mourn him being held to account for his beliefs?

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    No Nig, we just get tired of being expected not to hit back after monumental amounts of progressive abuse and bullshit. You trash want an uncivil street fight? Well guess what? You pushed long enough and now you've got one.

    So don't bitch and cry now. You're getting what you wanted.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    Equality under the law is a principal. I prefer to take the high ground, but I see the logic in making the other side play by its own rules. Ayn Rand said that we should not hesitate to avail ourselves of government assistance, because no one gave us the option of saving tax payments by opting out of the welfare state.

  • MarkLastname||

    This putative stature of limitations has never saved a non-leftist before. It didn't save Brendan Eich.

  • damikesc||

    It's the right wing standard of people shouldn't suffer consequence for saying terrible things that's shown to be the joke everyone already knows it is.

    No, the Right noticed that the Left NEVER suffers consequences and they should suffer them.

    In the end, THEY put the rules in place.

    Hell, why won't the crying bitches in #MeToo NAME FUCKING NAMES? The only names they mention are the ones ALREADY public. They are simply hitching a wagon to it. They won't risk THEIR careers to call out the bad behavior. They just decry "men" and not, you know, the men they claim did whatever unpleasant nonsense was done to them.

    ...largely because they WILLINGLY exchanged sex for career advancement.

  • ||

    Gunn's tweets reference violence and sexual assault against children. They are gross. But he says they were intended as jokes, and there's really no reason to suspect otherwise.
    ...
    "I viewed myself as a provocateur, making movies and telling jokes that were outrageous and taboo," he said in a statement. "In the past, I have apologized for humor of mine that hurt people. I truly felt sorry and meant every word of my apologies."

    Stick with dead baby jokes because they don't hurt dead babies' feelings. Got it.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    I like James Gunn, but this was probably inevitable. He's a Troma guy, got his start with Troma. His style is almost honed to be un-PC and he's from an older underground world, where something coming up was inevitable.

  • Just Say'n||

    Gunn got devoured by a mob that he has in the past empowered. Probably shouldn't have been fired, but he made his bed and now he can lie in it.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    I don't know much about Gunn's current political activity. I just know his artistic works, which are fairly un-PC.

  • Just Say'n||

    What is the guy famous for? I just stumbled about the exchange from a link that Instapundit posted.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    His big breakthrough is 100% Guardians of the Galaxy. Other stuff he's done, a lot with Troma back in the 90s and early 2000s (Troma is a famous B-Movie/Z-Movie company if you're unfamiliar, their most famous is probably The Toxic Avenger). One of his earliest acting roles was "Insane Masturbator" in a Kabukiman film, so that gives you some reference.

    His first big movie was he wrote the Dawn of the Dead remake. He did PG Porn, which was a comedy series which did porn scenarios but clean. He did Super, and Slither as well. He's from a distinctly B movie background.

  • DiegoF||

    How the fuck did a Troma director become a PC scold? The times we live in...

  • Kyfho Myoba||

    Well, I can tell you that he was recently spotted having lunch with a convicted child porn trafficker/molester Lloyd Kaufman - who has ties to John Podesta.

    The man is NOT a comedian. I'd accept that defense from Anthony Jeselnik, but not some clown whose own Instagram, the Instagrams of those he follows, and who follow him completely discredit this lame excuse.

    The man is a pedo and it's clear that his work at Disney is a beard for his predilections and an opportunity to fulfill them..

  • Just Say'n||

    Your god emperor, Ben Shapiro, defended Gunn

    www.twitter.com/benshapiro/sta.....9167448064

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Well played by Shapiro.

  • Finrod||

    I seem to be one of the few people right of center that think that neither Roseanne Barr nor James Gunn should have lost their jobs.

  • damikesc||

    I think they should not have either.

    But if one did lose their job, so should the other.

    The only thing worse than both losing their job would've been Roseanne being the only one who did.

  • MarkLastname||

    That's just more proof that Shapiro is a no good RINO!

  • Gunslinger||

    That's not defending him, fool. You're making the same mistake the SJW mob made with Duplass.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    In other words, the left's chickens are coming home to roost. But there is outrage over this, because the firing of a left-winger celebrity is more serious the "blowback" that killed thousands of Americans in the eyes of some.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    "Its not that the tactics were wrong, it's that bad people will learn to use those tactics against us... you know, the good guys."

  • Echo Chamber||

    Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals - #4: Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules
    "You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity."

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    The worse thing that comes from this is the death of idealism.

    There's a great saying, "Hypocrisy is the tax vice pays to virtue." We all fail to live up to our ideals, all of us are imperfect, and I fear the weaponization of this is just leading to a belief that no one should have any ideals at all, lest we become a hypocrite.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Man, looking up that quote I read it quite differently from every single other person I'm seeing.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    "We all fail to live up to our ideals,"

    You clearly haven't seen my ideals.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Your ideals fail to live up to you, Paul. You are all our better.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    I had fun living up to my reputation when the neighbors thought I was a lazy slut. Now, they think I'm a brave hero who will risk my life to stand up to the homicidal drug dealers. Oye, guess I've got to just live up to this new reputation. Fuck, it sucks getting older.

  • John||

    You are right. Everyone fails to live up to their ideals. That is why we should not attack everyone else for the same sin.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    It's a weird thing of modern culture that hypocrisy is viewed as worse than many of the crimes.

    Like, if a devout religious man turns out to be an adulterer, people will shit on him for his hypocrisy more than the actual act of adultery. While if you get a Woody Allen type who actively advocates for it, it's okay.

    There's a fascination in our culture with the anti-hero, the rebel playing by his own rules. Sticking to his own rules is more important than whatever the rules may be. It's why characters like the Joker become so popular, even though they're just psycho killers.

  • John||

    It's a weird thing of modern culture that hypocrisy is viewed as worse than many of the crimes.

    It is. And it is a sign of real moral decay. We are all hypocrites in that we are not perfect. But our failure to live up to our ideals does not make the ideals invalid or mean no one is ever allowed to point out wrong doing.

  • Nardz||

    I respect those who are honest about their own hypocrisy. It's almost impossible to avoid, but if a person can admit to being a hypocrite when they're being hypocritical - I can respect that.

  • A Thinking Mind||

    Calling out people for being hypocrites is completely warranted because it demonstrates that they actually lack principles. If they're willing to defend an action taken by their own side and yet call out people on other side for the same (or very similar) actions, it demonstrates that they actually don't give a shit about what's happening, just who is doing it.

    Yes, that is worth condemnation. If something is wrong, it's fucking wrong, even if you like the person doing the wrong things. It takes self-examination to catch yourself doing this, to realizing that your arguments aren't actually based on principles, but we live in a world where Hollywood celebrities with no real education or life experience lecture actual people based on complete bullshit. Yes, they're almost all hypocrites and they need to be confronted with that fact daily.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    A Thinking Mind,

    Remind me to call you the next time a rocks get thrown so you can talk some sense into the guy with a brick in his hand.

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    I tire of the half witted oppressive nonsense of the left. I don't really understand why their oppression is tolerated by others, as the left are comprised of weak, stupid people easily dismissed or beaten. Yet everyone acts like they are worthy of consideration or debate. As if they are our peers.

  • Finrod||

    Well, their whining does get to ear-piercing levels.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    People who speak out against the left get tired of having to buy new tires.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    There's a good medium ground between tar and feathering someone until he gets fired on the one hand and ignoring improper behavior on the other hand. Let strangers do what they want unless they are about to cause serious harm or break the law. When a friend does something immoral and you know he respects your opinion on the matter, politely point out his mistake.

  • GeoffB1972||

    If they're breaking the law without causing serious harm, there might be a problem with the law.

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    The worse thing that comes from this is the death of idealism.

    Yeah, but with Alinsky (along with Cloward-Piven), that was the whole point. His was a thoroughly nihilistic political worldview that somehow thought that subverting institutions within a society, one that was far less atomized than it is today, would somehow bring about an egalitarian utopia. People like him had no clue about what makes up and sustains a high-trust society, because they were too invested in tearing down the ones they lived in to examine the potential consequences of their actions.

  • Nardz||

    Bringing about an egalitarian utopia was just his justification for his thoroughly misanthropic disposition

  • Nardz||

    Meaning it was not really his goal/intent - being an asshole was

  • Paulpemb||

    They are not, and never have been, misguided idealists. The whole point of tearing down the existing power structure is that they intend to be a prominent part of whatever replaces it. The fact that millions of people will suffer oppression and death is of no concern to them, because they feel they will be the ones deciding who gets killed and oppressed.

  • Nardz||

    "The fact that millions of people will suffer oppression and death is..."

    ...a feature, not a bug (even if they never admit it to themselves)

  • Qsl||

    There is a mammoth difference between the morality imposed upon others and having a private failing. The easiest way to avoid being hoisted upon your own petard is not to place yourself in that situation in the first place.

    The degree of condemnation of hypocrisy is usually in direct relation to the vociferousness of the charges. As it should be. There is nothing more fair than living under the standards you inflict upon others. Maybe compassion and understanding should have played a larger role in your morality play.

    I find that less the death of idealism but more a holding to account. Don't wear your idealism like a cheap suit and maybe others won't treat it as such.

  • Kyfho Myoba||

    It's "homage" not "tax"

  • Weigel's Cock Ring||

    This is basically the theme of Soave's entire pathetic life.

  • Eddy||

    What did he say?

  • Eddy||

    Ewww, never mind.

  • Matthew Chalice||

    I dislike Gunn's tweets about Russia (it's not difficult to foresee a cold war turning hot via proxies) and his past friendship with a convicted collector of child pornography, but he shouldn't have been fired.

  • Kyfho Myoba||

    Really? Have you read his tweets?!?!?! The dude works for Disney!!!! Around kids!!!! With tremendous power over them. Are you aware of what stage parents will do or allow to be done to their kids to make them a "star"?

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Turns out that alt-right nutcase was right, you can't apologize to a mob, so don't try.

  • damikesc||

    Why no PR group advises that is beyond me.

    Who has EVER been helped with an apology? It's been a long time since "I'm sorry" helped anybody.

  • An Owl Named Dur||

    I'm becoming convinced that Twitter may well be the most harmful invention since nuclear weapons, and I'm not even sure it doesn't exceed them. At least nukes kept the peace in the Cold War. What good has tweeting ever accomplished?

    Who could have imagined the Republic torn asunder by a little blue bird?

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Maybe like nuclear weapons, people will realize they're too terrible to use and everyone will STFU for fear of mutually assured destruction.

  • Weigel's Cock Ring||

    And all that it really did was give the stupid-ass leftards in the JournoList like Soave a forum to out themselves to the entire world.

  • Gaear Grimsrud||

    Yeah. Isn't the lesson here that if you want to express an opinion you might want to do so in some sort of thoughtful way instead of coming home from work, having six beers, and shooting your mouth off? This shit is scary.

  • damikesc||

    I have to talk to my kids to not post a fucking thing online because nothing will help but plenty will hurt you.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    But social media brought the world together. In this new interconnected world, people feel like they are never alone. That's why Americans are less likely to commit suicide today compared to 1999. We always feel like there's an older sibling following us, waiting to live tweet any moment that seems cruel or unkind. Oh wait, I read that graft wrong. Fuck, we're screwed. Suicide is up 25% since 1999. There's an increase in every state of the union except for the one that has legal prostitution.

  • damikesc||

    Social Media is a fucking cancer on society. Twitter is the worst because lots of utter idiots get their news from snippets so brief as to be without any actual use and then get outraged.

    Then, when the inevitable correction comes, crickets.

  • Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland||

    Let's rock.

    I do not expect the downscale bigots, the superstitious goobers, the stale-thinking malcontents to win any substantial battle.

    Your betters will prefer science, reason, tolerance, education, progress, modernity, and inclusivity, while you and your right-wing colleagues will stick with backwardness, diffuse bigotry, childish superstition, silly dogma, insularity and ignorance. Your betters will choose modern, successful, educated communities while the lessers will continue to concentrate in left-behind, desolate backwaters depleted by generations of bright flight.

    One side will have the best schools, the foremost research facilities, the educated and skilled workforce, the cultural amenities, a strong tax base, and the mainstream media. The other will have homeschooling, revival meetings, tobacco, backwoods religious schools, declining economies, faith healers, lousy country music, right-wing think tanks, a shambling workforce, and an inadequate tax base.

    One side has been winning in America throughout my lifetime and seems destined to continue to win.

    Those are the rules. Let's rock.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    The New Soviet Man?

  • Just Say'n||

    Imagine being one of the voices in the good Reverend's head

  • Microaggressor||

    All it would take is one hatefact to spoil the utopian economy in his head.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Nice reference to Guilty Gear at the end there.

  • perlchpr||

    5/10

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    One side has been winning in America throughout my lifetime and seems destined to continue to win.

    Hicklibs, particularly solipsists like Arty-poo, tend to think this because they have little knowledge of how human society actually develops and evolves. The irony is that the Western Civilizations his kind screeched about for the last 50-plus years as fundamentally oppressive, are more responsible for that "winning" than anything else they've worshipped.

    They like to bag on Christians, while ironically displaying the same philosophical framework in their own worldview.

  • Lowdog||

    I'm guessing with the use of a term like "goober", fake hihn and the rev are the same dipshit.

  • Gaear Grimsrud||

    Did you read the article? I'm struggling to see how your little screed is relevant.

  • Don't look at me.||

    So much hatred in such a small mind.

  • Finrod||

    Par for the course for idiot leftists.

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    Arty, you are the most inferior type of beta male imaginable. You only exist because of the continued misplaced sense of civility of conservatives and libertarians. Once you have exhausted that patience, you and your friends will be wiped off the map.

    Best you learn you place and keep your mouth shut.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    Your betters will prefer science, reason, tolerance, education, progress,

    Rev., get a science PhD and invent something useful or stay quite, you hypocrite.

  • RaymondhW||

    While I agree with the conclusion what is the obsession on soft pedaling his comments in the titles. Politically incorrect here, offensive other places. Say it in the title don't hide it in the body you hope people won't read.

  • Gunslinger||

    People don't generally read the articles, just the headlines.

  • John||

    http://www.dailywire.com/news/.....-paul-bois

    Progs throw their own shit at kosher coffee store found to be pro Trump. Progs really have devolved to the level of chimps. Did they jerk off while they were throwing their own shit?

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    Yes. yes, they do.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Twitter mobs will no longer matter when journalists stop using Twitter as the "pulse of America"

  • John||

    They only matter if we let them matter. I would hope that most people would look at the typical twitter mob and just tell them to fuck off.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Twitter is nothing more than the bumper sticker of the internet. I really mean that, it's just short snarky little blurbs and virtue signaling condensed into poorly thought-out messages.

    Journalism has collectively decided that if it saw 7 free Tibet bumper stickers this month that freeing Tibet is the number one thing on every American's mind.

  • John||

    The irony of the media's love of twitter is that it has probably done more to destroy the major media's credibility than anything else in my lifetime. Twitter gave journalists the opportunity to broadcast their thoughts to the world in real time without any filtering or help from an editor or producer. That hasn't been a good role for them. Twitter has shown the world just how stupid and biased and in some cases outright nuts most journalists are.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Oh, I agree that Twitter is an excellent way to know what Journalists are thinking. I'm pretty sure I know what most of "journalism" is thinking at any one time.

    In fact, this got me to thinking. There have probably been only three times in my life when I could safely say what was the number one thing on every American's mind, and one of those is really just with a particular demographic.

    After 9/11, 9/11 was on every American's mind. Not because it was front and center in the news, but you couldn't walk down the street without getting into discussions about it with complete strangers.

    The second time was Pokemon Go, because like 9/11, everywhere you looked, people were playing it and talking about it.

    The third time was that autotune video with the hide-your-kids hide-your-wife dude. Pretty much everyone my daughter's age was talking about it.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    Yeah, I've noticed in the past few years that the average journalist is just a guy with a computer. The writing only becomes higher quality with the help of fact checkers, editors, and fellow writers. A well run media company can produce better content than an individual through team effort, but it's labor intensive and expensive. Once social media monetized pictures of lunch, there was a race to the bottom to produce cheap content.

  • Echo Chamber||

    "short snarky little blurbs and virtue signaling condensed into poorly thought-out messages"

    That pretty much covers anything I post here

  • perlchpr||

    Every time I see one of those "Free Tibet" stickers, it reminds me that I want to make ones that say "Free China". Never get around to it, though.

  • John||

    People would just think you were giving away porcelain.

  • perlchpr||

    hah!

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    Yes....... Free Tibet.........

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR08q--9cOM

  • Seamus||

    When I was growing up, "Free China" meant Taiwan, as opposed to "Red China" (or as we now call it, "China").

  • Finrod||

    "China, which we call 'Red China', exploded a nuclear bomb, which we called a 'device'. -- Tom Lehrer

  • sharmota4zeb||

    I think the Free Tibet movement petered out because Tibetan monks did not hijack any airplanes.

  • Giant Realistic Flying Tiger||

    "Twitter is nothing more than the bumper sticker of the internet: little blurbs and virtue signaling condensed into poorly thought-out messages" would make a great Twitter post.

  • Gunslinger||

    Twitter is the electronic version of a person standing on a street corner shouting. You aren't supposed to listen to them, just keep going about your business.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    That depends. Manhattan has higher quality people standing on the street corner shouting. Have you seen the topless painted ladies at Time's Square?

  • GILMORE™||

    ""Conservatives who participated in this lynch mob are hypocrites""

    True, but the mob itself is almost entirely made up of the PC-left and the outrage-mongering media.

    but "critics of the mob should not be hypocrites, and goad that mob into destroying people!" you argue

    Yes, i suppose. And i personally despise that entire culture of 'digging up isolated remarks and pretending they define someone'.

    (and it wouldn't be out of place to note that this magazine has done the same w/ people they find "Culturally Libertarian" but otherwise-objectionable, from time to time)

    many on the populist right have borrowed a page from Alinsky's Rules For Radicals = 'Make your enemy follow their own rules'.

    And they don't really care if anyone thinks they're hypocrites, because they know that hypocrisy is the very air the left breathes. Double standards are the norm. You can complain about it, but who do you think is going to care? Cernovitch?

    I personally would like to see an article which mocks corporations for kowtowing to a SJW mob which in reality is nothing but a minority on social media users .... which is itself a minority within America..... a country that is a declining share of global movie revenues

  • John||

    It is odd how Robby doesn't blame Disney, the people who fired the guy. Who gives a shit if a bunch of SJWs are pissed? They likely are not buying your product and they are always pissed about something anyway. If companies would stop rolling over to the SJW's, then their mobs wouldn't matter. It is almost as if Robby likes the SJW mobs but just wishes they would choose better targets.

  • GILMORE™||

    r

    " It is almost as if Robby likes the SJW mobs but just wishes they would choose better targets."

    "Alt-Right sympathizers", and "Anti-Gay Pizzarias"

    The only way you stop the corporate world from bootlicking the SJW's is if you go after them harder and more persistently for doing so.

    Condemn Google for their censorship of Youtube, condemn Disney for shitcanning otherwise very-competent people, for turning ESPN into a shitty MSNBC rerun, condemn every shitty 'apology' people in power make for offending people who are going to get offended regardless.

  • John||

    If the only people who care about an issue are pissed off SWJs, then it is hard to blame corporations for bowing to them. If you are going to keep buying my product anyway, why wouldn't I fire someone to appease a customer who won't if I don't do so?

    So yeah, until the rest of us make bowing to the SJW mob more painful than giving in, the SJW mobs will continue to have power.

  • Nardz||

    Corporations bow to pc SJWs because...
    Corporations love pc and SJWs. They're a source of truly useful idiots.
    Corporate culture - and marketing - is all about conformity and the lowest common denominator. Think of the ridiculous expansion of HR... And VPs of diversity (every large corporation has one now).
    PC police, SJWs, reactionary mobs - all are products that push the cause of enforced conformity and standardization forward.

  • Finrod||

    Agreed. Or we just murder all the SJWs, but that's harder to accomplish.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    We could target the major distribution centers of their illegal drugs of choice with selective violations of parking norms. I mean, that's a nonviolent legal way to get them all to suffer withdrawal symptoms on the same weekend.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    Remember how Occupied Wall Street was designed to prevent financiers from getting to work?

  • BYODB||

    I think we can safely blame Disney for being so insanely sanitized.


    On a brighter note, this could eventually kill Disney since any director that's creative is probably going to have some batshit insane stuff in their closet.

  • John||

    They managed to make Star Wars into a money losing franchise. That dumb broad Disney put in charge of the Star Wars movies ought to get some kind of a Nobel Prize or lifetime achievement award for incompetence.

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    Kathleen Kennedy is going to become the entertainment industry's version of Hillary Clinton--someone who rode the coattails of a much more charismatic and competent man (Spielberg/Billy Jeff) into some early successes (billions on The Force Awakens and Rogue One/elected Senator), followed by a mixed record (TLJ/Secretary of State) and then a crushing humiliation (Solo/losing to Trump).

  • Don't look at me.||

    Lolz. Chicks aren't cut out for success.

  • BYODB||

    Yeah, and amusingly I predicted Solo was going to be a massive loss for them and low and behold...even foreign ticket sales didn't save it.

    All they have are the flagship movies. That's it. Star Wars defies the Marvel formula, but they genuinely thought they could make that stick.

    The sad truth is a good director could make it work, but Disney can't hire good directors RE: Gunn. Creatives are crazy, that's just a general truism, so they're not going to find one with unobjectionable qualities to the frothing mob.

    Look at how Disney churns through Directors, and you'll see what I mean.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    And if their threshold for crazy is Gunn, then they will definitely not. They say crazy, but it's basically getting caught making dirty jokes online.

  • BYODB||


    And if their threshold for crazy is Gunn, then they will definitely not. They say crazy, but it's basically getting caught making dirty jokes online.


    Exactly. Lets watch them try and hire someone like Tarantino. I consider him a hack, but he knows what he likes to make and you'd probably find actual skeletons in that guys closet. I'm...curious to see his take on Star Trek which is something I never thought I would say. Ever.

  • Don't look at me.||

    Can you imagine how much blood would spray from each lightsaber hit?

  • BYODB||

    Though, I should note one thing and that's that Disney might make a loser or two like Solo but it will take so much more than that to put a dent in Disney's Star Wars franchise. Sadly, they're blowing that on the safest possible films instead of developing new idea's but they really want that ROI.

    Ironically, Disney himself would probably be a little pissed to see how 'capitalist' his company has become. A real laugh riot for me anyway.

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    Disney's not really looking for "good" directors, though--they're looking for *pliable* directors, ones who won't stray too far from the company's bland, recyclable, politically correct formula. Solo was originally supposed to be a slapstick romp, something along the lines of "Pineapple Express in Space," which still would have been stupid but at least wouldn't have taken itself so seriously, but Kennedy and her team are basically a bunch of bitter cat ladies with "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" and Young Adult fiction drek as seemingly their only frame of reference. So out went the original directors and in comes Ron Howard to reshoot the whole thing. Same thing with Rian Johnson, who blatantly ripped off an episode of Battlestar Galactica and applied the lazy "everyone's a superhero!" nonsense that these people were told in kindergarten.

    Mediocrities like Joss Whedon and directors like Ron Howard who are WAY past their prime get tabbed for projects like these because they'll fall in line and do what they're told by the studio heads, not because they're particularly good storytellers.

  • BYODB||

    Yeah, pulling Ron fucking Howard out of the closet was a truly 'what the fuck' moment for me. You'd think Gunn would get some credit for making one of their best Marvel movies to date, but we'd guess wrong.

    If anything, maybe they should rehire Gunn to do some of these 'Star Wars Stories'. Maybe he'd make something watchable.

  • DiegoF||

    The journosphere has been pushing them hard to learn a very different message from the Solo failure. Namely this:

    The fandom had been grumbling about the franchise before The Last Jedi but they saw it anyway, whereupon they were utterly outraged at what they saw and declared their patience was exhausted. Then the Solo movie came out and lo and behold no one saw it. But...the Last Jedi happened to have a fat Asian chick and a purplehair putting a cocky (Latino, but then again so was George Zimmerman) male into his place, so the fan criticism was cast as "white male outrage" that any profit-minded studio should ignore since the decent receipts proved the #Resistance was in the driver's seat now. And then lo and behold, when the next film has a white male lead and utterly tanked by contrast, this wasn't the result of fan fatigue and disillusionment being driven too high to support a standalone anymore; it was confirmation of the fact that The People--The Real People, not the incels who prefer the first Ghostbusters--do not want to see white male heroes anymore and demand wokeness.

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    Things got stupid after we stopped beating dirty hippies when they opened their mouths. Now we suffer the fruition of all their lame ideas.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    Reason posted several years ago about a research study showing that internet porn sales were higher in red states. One commentator pointed out a likely explanation for this trend: Conservatives are more willing to buy porn. Libertarians and conservatives will spend money to support the artists they like. Progressives take pride in downloading stuff for free. If you want to be an artist on the weekends, create content for the left. If you want to pay your bills with your content, create content that libertarians and conservatives like.

  • damikesc||

    They managed to make Star Wars into a money losing franchise. That dumb broad Disney put in charge of the Star Wars movies ought to get some kind of a Nobel Prize or lifetime achievement award for incompetence.
  • damikesc||

    Why is it cutting off remarks all of the fucking time?

    Disney has discussed making movies on MODERN Marvel properties. Not just the classic stuff.

    NOBODY buys or even likes modern Marvel's output.

    And Disney seems to think that it will lead to people buying tickets to see them at theatres?

  • Hidebehindyourcause||

    I'm terrified to see what they're going to do with Star Wars.

    So many of the SJW inspired shows are more about pushing left wing views vice important things like story and character development.

    I hope that they don't ruin the franchise that I truly love

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Disney hasn't gotten by on being creative anyway. They're a company of polished and professionalism, not creativity.

  • John||

    You could make a serious argument that Disney hasn't done anything significant since the first four animated features (Snow White, Fantasia, Dumbo and Pinocchio) that the old man made.

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    That's not really fair. The Disney Revival of the late 80s and early 90s (Little Mermaid/Beauty and the Beast/Aladdin/Lion King) is going to go down as arguably the biggest comeback for a studio in the history of the industry. People forget how far on their ass Disney was before Eisner took it over and signed off on those films, as well as diversifying the portfolio with Hollywood Films and Touchstone Pictures.

  • DiegoF||

    Agreed. For '80s Disney it was either education, or elimination.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    Wow, that looks like a clip the Black Lives Matter movement would get behind.

  • Giant Realistic Flying Tiger||

    I'd make the argument that Gravity Falls and Randy Cunningham were pretty kickass, but that's TV animation.

    Yes, I watch a lot of cartoons. What of it?

  • SIV||

    101 Dalmatians? Song of the South?

  • damikesc||

    Song of the South was one of the most boring piles of shit I've seen.

    It being "racist" is meh. It being a chore to sit through is the bigger sin.

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    That's not fair. "The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes" is a time honored classic.

  • BYODB||

    You're right, but historical Disney and New Disney are two different animals even while both of them survived on readaptations of older works (I mean, what doesn't?).

    Today Disney's big franchise film section survives strictly through mass-appeal familiar franchises and special effects, but that gravy train will not last forever. How long it will last remains to be seen.

    Personally, I wonder if those franchises will survive Disney. Axing any creative directors will crash their train faster than people think. Meanwhile, NetFlix puts out Altered Carbon. The writing is already on the wall, long term.

  • russnelson@gmail.com||

    Well, Guardians of the Galaxy is dead to me without James Gunn at the helm.

  • Deconstructed Potato||

    Twitter is a window into hell.

  • Deconstructed Potato||

    Oh balls I didn't mean to thread that.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Still works.

  • Longtobefree||

    As good as anything else here - - - - - - -

  • DiegoF||

    The Asian is hot as hell but I wish her dick looked cuter.

  • DiegoF||

    Oh man, wrong tab entirely. Sorry about that.

  • Don't look at me.||

    Man, where is the correct tab?

  • sharmota4zeb||

    I don't know. Is it too offensive to suggest that the Asian chick's tab is incorrect? Don't introduce DiegoF to my transgender African-American sister-in-law who lived with my progressive brother as an illegal immigrant without being able to work in the above ground economy for a few years until he finally manned up and married her so that she could be on a pathway to citizenship. That progressive brother of mine only marries ladies who need citizenship.

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    How will this affect Adam Warlock?

  • Robert||

    Anyone have the twit verbatim? I'm left mystified.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    It's a fool that looks for logic in the chambers of the twittersphere.

  • Walk_on_Walter||

    Everett?

  • TGoodchild||

    Pointing out hypocrisy is, itself, hypocritical?

  • Longtobefree||

    Any coincidence to this firing and moving along to Asgardians of the Galaxy?

  • josh||

    Unless he was molesting baby Groot in between takes, who gives a fuck.

    I'd research if this studio has ever employed a comedian who told an "inappropriate joke", because God help us if we're not being consistent.

  • DiegoF||

    Even then I would not blame him entirely. Baby Groot has a pedo target on his back. Even if he does come forth some day, what's he going to testify? "Could you please state your name for the record." Wow, such strength and confidence in a victim, right from the get go. I'm glad the DA assigned me this case for my first. Should be all smooth sailing from here...

  • sharmota4zeb||

    Baby Groot is a CGI character. There's no law against molesting him, but you can go to jail for a long time if you make a video of the event.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    Maybe #MeGroot should be the go to generic response to the twitter mob. We could have memes showing Groot explaining events to the DA so memes are legal.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    *so the memes are legal.

  • TeamsterX||

    Buddy Hackett, from Herbie the Love Bug movies...Man he was crazy.

  • mtrueman||

    "What a dull and unforgiving world the P.C. outrage mobs are creating for us."

    Disney has been shaping the world to its taste for almost a century. It wasn't a PC outrage mob that fired the guy, it was certainly a human resources functionary at HQ Disney.

  • Gaear Grimsrud||

    Disney damaged me for life when they killed Bambi's mom. Jesus Christ I was like 6 years old.

  • MarkLastname||

    You should thank Disney for making a man out of you.

  • DiegoF||

    That didn't just make you hungry? What kind of baby libertarian were you?

  • sharmota4zeb||

    mmmmm, That venison barbecue my roommates and I hosted back in my grad school days had plenty of tasty fleshic. The invitations mentioned Bambi. For some strange reason, my classmates in the ecology classes didn't want to eat lunch with me.

  • Pat001||

    How about a 14 year old boy shooting his own dog in Old Yeller? I'm still traumatized over that.

  • Echospinner||

    So go long on Disney or you are out.

    Did I miss something?

  • GILMORE™||

    Witness, for example, the way the media handle things like this

    "
    @Lauren_Southern
    Lauren Southern Retweeted The Australian

    Me: "On average women are less likely to enjoy positions like CEO according to studies, there are of course women who are perfectly happy in that role and do a great job at it though."

    Media:


    The Australian
    Verified account
    @australian

    Professional provocateur @Lauren_Southern claims women are not psychologically developed to hold leadership positions
    https://trib.al/dWVTlmu

    8:39 PM - 19 Jul 2018

    This is what they did to James Damore.

    Its not some faceless "twitter mobs" doing this. Its journalists, its media organizations.

    If the media werent' neck deep in the industry of character-destruction, the twitter mobs would be toothless, and people like Disney wouldn't give a wet fart about some guy's off-color humor.

  • Inigo Montoya||

    So the guy made a couple billion dollars for Disney and they fired him anyway, and for stuff he said years ago? If I had any stock in Disney, I'd be selling it right about now: they have little business sense, apparently.

    Still, given how problematic and offensive the guy's very name must be to lefties, it was only a matter of time. Can you imagine if he had young kids in school? They'd be suspended for even mentioning their full names.

  • Ken Shultz||

    "Conservatives who participated in the lynch mob against Gunn are hypocrites, since they have often scolded the left for doing this exact same thing."

    I remain persuaded that Robby can't tell the difference between entrepreneurs doing things to assuage those whose criticism might harm their business interests and a legitimate free speech issue.

    That conservatives also criticize entrepreneurs for employing people who offend them is not a legitimate free speech issue. That libertarians also criticize those who employ writers to tout libertarianism--writers that don't seem to grok libertarianism themselves--is also not a legitimate free speech issue.

    The Second Amendment doesn't protect you from the negative consequences of indiscriminately shooting people, and the First Amendment doesn't protect you from the negative consequences of what you say. If private citizens don't like what you say, they can complain to your employer and encourage other people to do likewise. That isn't a free speech violation. That's an excellent example of free speech.

    The moral of this story is not that conservatives are just as bad as social justice warriors. The moral of the story is that Hollywood doesn't need to be censored by the government because private citizens using their free speech are more effective at getting what they want from Hollywood than any government censorship could ever be.

    Go back and retake Libertarianism 101.

  • mtrueman||

    "The moral of the story is that Hollywood doesn't need to be censored by the government ..."

    Nobody is suggesting Hollywood be censored. The true moral is that an employer can fire an employee for pretty much any reason, or no reason at all. Try speaking out at work if you don't believe me.

  • Ken Shultz||

    "The true moral is that an employer can fire an employee for pretty much any reason, or no reason at all."

    Are you suggesting that freedom of association is a bad thing?

    Do you think employees shouldn't be free to fire their employer for no reason at all?

  • mtrueman||

    Employment is a position of subservience. I don't think being fired over what you've said is an example of free speech. In fact, as I understand, there is no constitutionally protected speech in the employment relation.

    "Do you think employees shouldn't be free to fire their employer for no reason at all?"

    No, of course not. Firing someone for no reason at all is the height of frivolity.

  • Ken Shultz||

    "Employment is a position of subservience."

    Bullshit.

    I've been employed doing everything from bailing hay to financial analysis, and I was never in a position of subservience--not even when I was too young to work legally.

    Your whole worldview is off.

    There is no difference between an employer and an employee in terms of who has more power. I've fired whole companies for their poor performance many times--and hired a better companies to replace them, only to fire them when an even better company came along.

    Your weird view of the world is a delusion. If you're in your own delusion, that's your fault--not a rational basis for infringing on people's freedom.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    I decided to support the Second Amendment yesterday by stowing a couple of arms in my car trunk while throwing out the rest of the mannequin. That way, I can casually mention that I have arms in my trunk the next time a cop pulls me over for a traffic ticket.

  • Ken Shultz||

    If I call up Papa John's and say I want them to take anchovies off their menu, does that make just as bad as someone who wants a federal agency to regulate their menu?

    The correct answer is no, but does Robby understand the difference?

    It's nauseating to think that anyone might suppose Robby was somehow indicative of what libertarianism has to say about anything--more nauseating than anchovies.

  • Don't look at me.||

    Sorry Ken, anchovies are good. Really good.

  • Steve S.||

    I have had anchovies in Genoa, supposedly the best place in the world to get them, and they were meh. Barely meh really.

  • DiegoF||

    I never even tried anchovies to my knowledge (probably had them unwittingly in marinara sauce or something at some point) until I saw them in one of those little bowls you get in the Korean restaurants. I'd only heard of them in their vaudeville-punchline guise as a paradigmatically gross pizza topping. Turned out to be rather tasty, just grabbing a metal-chopstickfull and shoving them in your mouth.

  • Ken Shultz||

    Then Robby's failings on free speech are definitely more nauseating than anchovies.

  • perlchpr||

    +1 mushroom, pepperoni, and anchovy slice

  • SIV||

    Anchovies, onions and green olives is what you want on your pie. After baking top liberally with crushed red pepper, oregano, granulated garlic and a high quality Parmesan

  • sharmota4zeb||

    Beware of ordering the pizza with extra anchovies.

  • SIV||

    Anchovies are fuckin' great. Pizza, salads,Worcestershire sauce...

    You can't make a decent Bloody Mary w/o a lil bit on anchovy.

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    Anchovies tend to be too salty, but that can be remedied by soaking them in milk.

  • Gunslinger||

    There's no such thing as too salty.

  • Echospinner||

    Caesar Salad. A real one with the egg and anchovies.

    Make it yourself and mix it in a wooden bowl. You can't get it in a restaurant.

  • slgjlkgj||

    Hmm, well I posit that we need a universal standard for this kind of thing. When does outrageous behaviour current or present justify a scalping? If we can come to a consensus on this it would be a lot better.

  • ThanksForTheFish||

    If I've learned anything from the last two years, it's that you have to confront everything, everywhere, all the time without fail and without mercy. Otherwise you're enabling a Nazi and will bring about the end of the world.

    /s

  • majil||

    I believe Shapiro came out and said something to the effect that disney firing this dink was wrong and will just lead to more division or something to that effect. I am going to go find Mr Gunn's tweets cause I sure did not see him sticking up for Shapiro or his right to speak in any of his rantings .I just remember something about Ben's mother being mentioned.
    But I do not know thins dink and am losing no sleep

  • majil||

    Let mew know when Conservatives start harassing people for their political beliefs and political work while eating dinner with family at restaurants and at their homes on weekends.
    The Right has a long way to go to equal the Left's incivility

  • Hank Phillips||

    If the looters didn't stab each other right and left, voters might suspect the two halves of the Kleptocracy are the same thing.

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    Oh, go fuck yourself.

  • Will Seth||

    Most of what passes for an apology these days is just posturing meant to elicit praise.

    a paraphrase of Jason Zweig

  • Seamus||

    "On Twitter, I see the right-wing personalities insisting that they are merely forcing the left to abide by its own standards: if Roseanne had to lose her job, then Gunn should, too."

    It's not forcing the left to abide by it's own standards. It's forcing *Gunn* (who was part of the braying anti-Rosanne mob) to abide by his.

  • Pat001||

    Last week: words are violence. This week: low wages are violence.

    We all know where the Left is heading.

  • Walk_on_Walter||

    Words are violence.
    They break the silence.
    They come crashing in.
    Into my little world.

    ;)

  • Walk_on_Walter||

    "Ironically, Gunn was actually offering a very qualified defense of liberal actor and director Mark Duplass for saying Ben Shapiro was someone the left should engage."

    You should learn what ironic means.

    Gunn offered no defense of Mark Duplass, except that he was a liberal in good standing. He, in fact, did NOT defend him for saying that Ben Shapiro was someone the left should engage. Actually, you fucking moron, he took great pains to note that Ben Shapiro should NOT be engaged ("personally I think even Ben Shapiro's mother should unfollow him," said Gunn).

    You're the kind of fucking stupid liar, Robby, that gives fucking stupid liars a bad name.

  • DWB||

    The ONLY way to stop the hysteria is to make leftists and Democrats pay as well. As long as they are the only ones waging war, they will win.

  • Walk_on_Walter||

    Yep. Spot on. For SOME reason, though, folks like Robby demand that righties not fight back with the tools they're attacked with.

  • ThomasD||

    Left: These are the standards you must abide by.

    Right:. We don't agree with them.

    Left:. Tough, we will force them upon you.

    Right:. If that is the way you want to play this then we demand you hold yourself to your own same standards.

    Rico Suave:. Right wing hypocrisy!

  • ThomasD||

    Gunn publicly offered his agreement with ABC firing Barr.

    He's lying in the bed he chose.

  • NotAnotherSkippy||

    Let's take a little trip down memory lane. It wasn't so long ago that Robby smeared Sargon of Akkad for being a member of the alt-right. He was forced to recant by what he calls "right-wing trolls" i.e. people with facts. Robby also blatantly mischaracterized to the point of lying the incident in California of a public school teacher verbally assaulting a student in the classroom and lamented that the teacher's well-deserved firing made him a victim of oppressive right-wing censors. And since he brought up Shapiro, let's remember the smear job he wrote claiming that Shapiro supported taking action against the California libarts prof who said vile (that word is only reserved for the right in Robby's world, btw) things about Barbara Bush shortly after her death.

    Robby is a disingenuous twat who directly sympathizes with the left. He is perpetually searching for that pony in their pile of shit, but man, oh man, can he smell the most discrete fart from the right. After all, he doesn't know anyone on the left who ever applied Alinksy's Rules.

  • Walk_on_Walter||

    Spot on!

  • Walk_on_Walter||

    Right on. I was just coming on here to note that.

    Robby seems to think that when you bomb someone else who started the bombing despite being warned, who continued the bombing despite being warned, and who defended the bombing despite being warned that you're a hypocrite for bombing them back.

    I can't believe Robby is this fucking stupid in real life. This must be an act.

  • hello.||

    Robby seems to think that when you bomb someone else who started the bombing despite being warned, who continued the bombing despite being warned, and who defended the bombing despite being warned that you're a hypocrite for bombing them back.

    Which conveniently describes Reason's stance on Israel.

  • Walk_on_Walter||

    Exactly right.

  • Marshal||

    can't believe Robby is this fucking stupid in real life. This must be an act.

    He's trying to show he's the good type of libertarian mainstream publications can hire as their token.

  • Kristian H.||

    Game Theory says if one side always acts altruistically, they will get abused. Tit for Tat works better, but it requires both sides to react and also to pull back. We have had decades of liberal mobs chasing conservatives out of the public sphere. Recently, the conservatives had made some responses, but it it going to get uglier until we reach an equilibrium, and both sides go, 'That escalated quickly!' The left doesn't think the right has it in them, and perhaps they wouldn't if the left hadn't changed the definitions so that DiFi is now too conservative.

    This will be ugly, and i am not really looking forward to it, but 'Muh Principles!' isn't a suicide pact. Don't pull the 'Conservatives think is should be okay...' No. Dammit! Conservative think it should be okay AND it should apply equally. If it's not going to apply for us, it isn't going to apply for you. MAD can destroy the world or it can lead to a cold peace.

  • TW||

    This.

  • Johnimo||

    I really miss "Reseanne." Please ... if there's a god in heaven ... bring back her irritating, and fun countenance.

  • Echospinner||

    Disney is a very serious company. Nobody mentioned the Fox deal. Disney stock is now floating up. They are planning to launch a new platform for streaming content this year.

    I expect that the company is doing all it can to avoid negative publicity. That may not sit well with free speach advocates.

    However as reported in Zacks "Looking ahead, the entertainment power's quarterly earnings are expected to surge by over 29% to reach $2.04 per share, based on our current Zacks Consensus Estimates. Meanwhile, Disney's full-year earnings are projected touch $7.09 per share, which would represent over a 24% expansion.Disney is also expected to see its quarterly revenues climb by 10.1% to hit $15.68 billion, while its full-year revenues are projected to pop by 7.7% to reach $59.36 billion."

    Not to get too excited. It is one of those companies which have appeal to long term investors. Yet I admire the commitment by leadership to those goals.

  • Kristian H.||

    "I wish some of these so-called defenders of liberty would start to understand what freedom of speech is AND isn't. Roseanne is allowed to say whatever she wants. It doesn't mean ABCNetwork needs to continue funding her TV show if her words are considered abhorrent."

    Who said that? But of course: James Gunn
    https://tinyurl.com/ycfb48fz

    Kiss my hypocrite butt, Mr. Sloane. I truly believe that Mr. Gunn was correct then, and ABC was/is free to fire both of them. I think ABC may be dumb, and that in the long run are setting a stupid precedent. The real hell to pay will be when ABC finally goes, 'Alright, this is enough...' Then we'll see who they really support. And the other side will lose their crap.

  • XM||

    If Gunn wasn't fired, Robby would have us take that as some sort of victory? We should feel good about companies responding to the mob selectively? Someone keeping their job despite crude remarks is better than everyone losing their jobs over it?

    Even though most people here favor freedom of association, we have every right to sue restaurants that kick us out because the owner disagrees with our politics. That's the law. If the libs resent that, then they're more than welcome to change it.

    The same is true for cases like this. The lib standard is that NFL players who beat their wives can keep their jobs and will soon be forgotten, but James Gunn can be fired and lose his career over joking about AIDS and Mexicans many years ago. They're entire worldview revolves around identity politics. It forms the basis of the current PC culture. I see nothing hypocritical about the other side holding the establishment to their own arbitrary standards.

  • XM||

    If Gunn wasn't fired, Robby would have us take that as some sort of victory? We should feel good about companies responding to the mob selectively? Someone keeping their job despite crude remarks is better than everyone losing their jobs over it?

    Even though most people here favor freedom of association, we have every right to sue restaurants that kick us out because the owner disagrees with our politics. That's the law. If the libs resent that, then they're more than welcome to change it.

    The same is true for cases like this. The lib standard is that NFL players who beat their wives can keep their jobs and will soon be forgotten, but James Gunn can be fired and lose his career over joking about AIDS and Mexicans many years ago. They're entire worldview revolves around identity politics. It forms the basis of the current PC culture. I see nothing hypocritical about the other side holding the establishment to their own arbitrary standards.

  • Modus Pwnens||

    Hey remember how Reason got their panties in a twist about Trump's one comment about groping a woman, from years before Gunn made dozens to hundreds of tweets about sexually abusing children? Does the "joke" defense only apply to leftists? Yeah, I thought so.

  • Kyfho Myoba||

    What if, and I'm just spit balling here, what if there was actual evidence, maybe not dispositive, but evidence nonetheless, that Gunn WASN'T joking, that, in fact, he had pedophillic tendencies and that his employment at Disney, a company that markets to small children, put the small children that work under Gunn in danger and Disney in a position of great potential liability, since this evidence is quite public and available for anyone with an internet connection to observe?

    Libertarians have a bad tendency to get wa-a-a-a-ay into the weeds with philosophical debates about freedom of speech vs freedom of association, when all they need to do in most cases is just "check your premises" as Ayn Rand would say. You are PRESUMING that Gunn was telling the truth when he said he was kidding. Is there evidence that he wasn't? I doubt any commenters on this article have checked.

  • Kyfho Myoba||

    Just got to Gary Seven's comment. Exception noted.

  • Devastator||

    You mean trump's dozens of gropings, failure to pay contractors, hiring illegals and barging into ms universe dressing rooms? Nah I don't remember any of that lmfao

  • Violent Sociopath||

    This is a profoundly dumb column and demonstrates, once again, Robby's moral imbecility.

    There is no principle that compels conservatives to consent to an unfair double standard in the PC wars. It is not hypocrisy to deplore Internet outrage-mobbing while taking notice of the observable reality that Soave-esque fretting and if-this-goes-on'ing has done exactly jack shit to stop it, and concluding that the only plausible path to reaching some sort of detente is to ruthlessly and punitively enforce leftists' own standards against them until they abandon outrage-mobbing as a tactic.

    This column is the moral equivalent of watching a bullied kid get up off the ground and punch his tormentor in the mouth, and then scolding him for the hypocrisy of resorting to violence rather than continuing to condemn it. It's grotesque.

  • Gary Seven||

    Wow! So, Reason Mag should understand that being "libertarian" doesn't mean you can justify child rape. This is a really, really serious issue. Dismissing this as PC is lazy journalistic prowess at best and normalization of child rape at worst. James Gunn, Tweeting thousands of inferences in advocacy of child rape, should have prohibited James Gunn from ANY job in film making. But, since Hollywood is steeped in this stuff, so it's no wonder that these people grow like weeds in the industry. I really take offense from people like the author of this hit piece in reverse, aimed at people like Cernovich and other attacks vs Liz Crokin, who are trying to expose these crimes and the criminals. Mr. Soave is essentially saying, " wow, this stuff is gross, but there's nothing to see here." That's pretty lame and offensive. Reason is now Unreasonable.

  • xando||

    Gunn worked for Disney. If you are Disney, you absolutely cannot have directors who go around cracking creepy pedophilia and child rape jokes on social media. You just cannot have that, full stop, no brainer. The amazing thing is that he got hired in the first place, these tweets had been out there for years, and there's a lot of them, and they are extremely creepy and troubling.

    As for Shapiro, he's taken an impossible position. He's called for and then cheered the firing of Rosanne Barr over her bad joke on Twitter, yet rushed to condemn Gunn's dismissal. What can he argue about that, does he say Barr's offense of racism is intolerable but Gunn's offense of pedophilia and child rape are somehow okay? He's in an utterly impossible and ridiculous position.

    Some here have condemned both the firing of Barr and Gunn, at least they maintain consistency. And they have a point, who wants to live in a society where everybody is going around playing gotcha-with-consequence over tweets from past or over faux pas?

    However, people need to realize that the left has indeed weaponized speech. That is entire point of political correctness. And the left has been and is using it to shame and to destroy people. This will not stop, it absolutely will not stop, unless a price for the left is put to it. Simple schoolyard bully scenario. At some point you absolutely do have to fight fire with fire.

    So I have no problem with what happened to Gunn. You shouldn't either.

  • Wanderer||

    Where was forked-tongue rRobby when Hulk Hogan was fired for a comment made 10 years ago ? Where was he when the same happened to MILO ?

    Gunn is a slimeball of the toxic left, and it's a good thing that leftards like that slimeball Gunn get held to same standard as conservative public figures.

    Robby Soave is a cosmotarian, still buttheart from Hillary's defeat.

  • ||

    I don't think calling them hypocrites is appropriate. In fact, given your takes over this matter, it gives the impression you were dying to use it.

    Again. From the fricken top. Conservatives are on the defensive in the culture wars. When you're on the defensive, 'what's good for the goose' is pretty much your only play. You can argue they should play the 'tit for tat' game but it's not hypocrisy necessarily because if the progressive left weren't such diabolical assholes with the virtue signalling and PC crap they and they alone invented and pursue with gust, conservatives wouldn't call for such things. Once upon a time conservatives were censorious but guess what? No one paid attention. They made noise and little more came of it and free speech and expression remained and reigned supreme.

    It's a fair point they make. If Roseanne must go, then hold yourselves to your standards and fire anyone else who says something the retard brigade is offended by. Make sure to go back into everyone's past and stall their present and destroy their future.

    And Robby, pal, it's the PROGRESSIVE LEFT who are the uber-hypocrites in all this threatening the very core of liberty like no other ideological cult group.

    So enough of this fricken equivocating. It's obtuse.

  • Kelarjian||

    If he was just joking, why did he tweet so many?

  • Jayburd||

    The only funny pedo jokes are when they are about someone like Michael Jackson. Then they denigrate the pedo. But I suppose someone who was molested might feel uncomfortable. Yet they still play MJ every 10 minutes on some oldies stations.

  • Azathoth!!||

    Disney fired Roseanne. Disney fired Gunn.

    That's called 'consistency', Robby. 'Principles' before 'principals'. Something Reason has clearly abandoned in their quest to graft themselves into the leftist shitpile.

    Maybe, just maybe, if these rules started being applied equally and the leftists--who are the greatest offenders, BTW, because they think their leftism grants them a pass--started getting their lives completely ruined because some soft brained millennial took offense at some fabricated slight(microagression) this whole tower of crap would collapse.

    And it would--that's why leftists cry foul when the right forces the rules to apply to them.

    Just watch Robby squirm.

  • misthiocracy||

    Also, Mr. Gunn posted online his support for the firing of Ms. Barr:

    "I wish some of these so-called defenders of liberty would start to understand what freedom of speech is AND isn't. Roseanne is allowed to say whatever she wants. It doesn't mean @ABCNetwork needs to continue funding her TV show if her words are considered abhorrent." - @JamesGunn May 29, 2018

  • Devastator||

    Well if you believe in capitalism, you've got to believe in a company's right to hire and fire whom they want. Just like firing football players who won't "take a knee" . It's just that the feds can't throw you in jail for doing it. I have to watch what I say on social media or I could end up fired, why is Gunn any different?

  • Marshal||

    This is exactly the kind of escalation I warned about when I criticized the knee-jerk cancellation of Roseanne.

    This is not an escalation, it is applying the same standard to everyone. An escalation would be either making the standard more stringent or increasing the punishment. Neither is true.

  • UnrepentantCurmudgeon||

    Oh, enough of this nonsense. I don't care about Gunn's views, whether he's right or wrong about Shapiro, or what toilet paper he uses. All I care about is whether his movies entertain, and "Guardians" made me laugh. Early and often. End of story.

  • AGPhillbin||

    Maybe it's time to start doxing members of the Twitter mobs that continually do this type of thing. I realize many of them post anonymously, but many of them don't, and their info can be gleaned from the net. And I mean both the "left" and the "right" mobs that pull this crap. Accept no "they started it" excuses -- both "sides" can make claim to that justification. Also, it may be time to start counter-tweeting at the companies that are being pressured to fire people over ancient verbal faux pas, and threaten to boycott them if they go along with the Twitter mobs in question. Maybe then, these "political" a**holes will be forced to sheath that weapon, which, while ostensibly and even avowedly directed at some "political" other "side," is in fact directed against the general public.

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