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Liberals Killed Roseanne. Conservatives Crushed the NFL Protests. Everybody Happy Now?

Why ABC cancelling the show after Roseanne Barr's racist remark about Valerie Jarrett might not be a great thing.

RoseanneEverett Collection/NewscomHuge ratings weren't enough to save the rebooted Roseanne, which was formally cancelled by ABC on Tuesday after star Roseanne Barr described former Obama administration aide Valerie Jarrett as if "the Muslim brotherhood and Planet of the Apes had a baby" on Twitter.

It was a vile thing to say, though no one has any right to be surprised that Barr said it. The notoriously pro-Trump comedian—who is otherwise something of an ardent leftist—has a long history of offensive, nonsensical utterances. She once said Wall Street bankers should be executed via guillotine, has flirted with 9/11 trutherism, and claimed the Boston Marathon bombing was a false flag operation. She doxed George Zimmerman's parents, and suggested people should go to their homes unless Zimmerman was arrested for killing Trayvon Martin. In March 2018, she falsely accused Parkland survivor and activist David Hogg of making a Nazi salute; it was Roseanne herself, of course, who posed as Adolf Hitler for a satirical magazine in 2009, holding a tray of overbaked gingerbread men labelled "burnt Jew cookies."

Roseanne is crazy, and her disgusting remark about Jarrett is perfectly in character. No one is allowed to pretend that Roseanne finally went too far, or some such nonsense: the Jarrett comment—for which she swiftly apologized, to no avail—is hardly more offensive than any number of things she has said over the years. If people who say very bad things do not deserve to work in television, then Roseanne should never have been rebooted in the first place.

The only thing that's different this time is this: social media turns up the volume on offensive statements, and provides a perfect platform to pillory the perpetrator into submission. The network executives at ABC had to watch the Twitter villagers reaching for their pitchforks in real time, and feel the pressure to respond.

There's nothing technically wrong with this: ABC can end any of its shows, prematurely or not, for any reason. Roseanne doesn't have a First Amendment right to a platform on television, and if outraged liberals can persuade her bosses to jettison her, more power to them.

And yet I think we ought to be a little worried about what will come of this. Roseanne was by some accounts an interesting show that offered insights into the kind of Trump-voting working class American family that doesn't often grace our TV screens. "Like most of us, they live, and live through, their differences, an accomplishment the show's more ideological critics don't seem to give people much credit for," wrote Reason's Scott Shackford in a review of the show for the July issue of Reason.

Can a person find Roseanne interesting without endorsing Roseanne the person? If so, why was that possible yesterday, but not today—given that nothing about Roseanne's nature has fundamentally changed?

Many conservatives are already criticizing what they will undoubtedly view as ABC's capitulation to political-correctness-run-amok, and it's easy to see how this could play directly into the right's narrative that the left is determined to silence everybody who says the wrong thing. In response to left-of-center pundit Toure calling on ABC to address the fact that "millions are hurt, offended, and traumatized by Roseanne's racist comments," conservative commentator Jesse Kelly tweeted the following:

But conservatives are already coming for people's livelihoods. Not even a week has passed since the NFL caved to pressure from conservative viewers—as well as the president himself—and banned players from kneeling during the national anthem as a protest against police violence.

And that's the problem. Conservatives won't watch football unless all the players comport themselves perfectly, rigidly adhering to the right's version of patriotic correctness. How dare you disrespect the flag, they say. Liberals don't think a television show should continue to exist if somebody central to its production does or says something super bad. How dare you traumatize our marginalized communities, they say.

This race to find more things to be offended about and more reasons to start lynch mobs doesn't seem particularly healthy for the fabric of American society, especially if right and left are determined to one-up each other on the outrage front. Many media companies will attempt to appease viewers on both sides of the ideological spectrum, and their output will be that much less interesting. I won't particularly miss Roseanne, but I do miss being able to appreciate a television show, book, or work of art, even if I thought the artist was a lunatic.

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  • yet another dave||

    Liberals killed Roseanne. I don't need to read the rest

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    Anyone that thinks that one side of the left-right tribal warfare is better than the other side is a fucking retard.

  • Marshal||

    "Better" is irrelevant. Anyone who doesn't recognize liberals are far more able to implement their agenda is a fucking retard.

  • Tony||

    Are you talking right now when populist Republicans control everything, or just in a general sense?

  • Marshal||

    Are you talking right now when populist Republicans control everything,

    Sure they control everything. That explains why James Damore, Kevin Williamson, and Brendan Eich were fired.

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    What do any of those firings have to do with government power?

  • Napoleon Bonaparte||

    That's the point, they don't. Republicans have office. What they don't have is power. There's a difference.

  • Taito7||

    Are you saying all Republicans want to call black people Terrorist Monkeys? Are they the same ones trying to get ESPN hosts fired for calling Trump a racist when defends Nazis marching with torches?

  • BSL1||

    Who called a black person a Terrorist Monkey?

  • rowdybme||

    All I know is that the conservatives will be able to kick the shi% out of libs when it goes beyond politics and becomes another civil war.

  • tzx4||

    Wow, consumed by hatred much?

  • tzx4||

    Wow, consumed by hatred much?

  • tzx4||

    Sorry about the double entry. The two empty commentary boxes that appear, rather than just one is a bit confusing.

  • Marshal||

    What do any of those firings have to do with government power?

    Why are you trying to limit the issue to government power?

  • Moo Cow||

    Colin Kaepernick, Keith Olberman, Martin Bashir??

  • bangbang||

    You mean the Keith Olderman who had his first day at his new job yesterday.....for his new employer ABC-Disney, lol?

  • Macy's Window||

    Colin Kaepernick was cut because he is a mediocre, marginal NFL QB who was causing big problems by deliberately disrespecting his country's flag.

    Keith Olberman is one of the nastiest, most repugnant people on Earth and he just got a new job.

    Martin Bashir quit -- he wasn't fired -- after advocating defecating into a woman's mouth.

    James Damore wrote an entirely reasonable piece in response to a request from his employer about ideas on diversity. It suggested that men and women were different so he was fired.

    Kevin Williamson -- hired to write political opinions -- was fired because he had previously advocated treating abortion like murder.

    Brendan Eich was fired for privately contributing to a cause that defined marriage as between a man and a woman. This idea would have been entirely unremarkable just a few years ago.

    Leftists do outrageous, hateful things and don't get fired. Non-leftists do entirely reasonable non-leftist things and do get fired.

  • Tony||

    Do you think Trump's behavior has been reasonable, and if not, do you call for his ouster?

  • SQRLSY One||

    We need a "South Park Channel" where all politically incorrect persons may play football, make TV shows, etc.!

  • D-Pizzle||

    "We need a 'South Park Channel' where all politically incorrect persons may play football, make TV shows, etc.!

    Maybe sarcastaball instead of football.

  • Will Nonya||

    Claiming populist Republicans control everything is an exaggeration. 'Republicans' control government but not all or even most are populist (yet) and there are so many factions that they aren't able to push anything resembling an agenda. That discord makes them slightly less dangerous than when the dems were in that position and passed shit like Obama care and dodd frank.

    In the end both parties have the same platform, more, stronger and more omnipotent government. Neither party believes int he ideals of their past selves, neither care about effective government or the lives of the proles.

  • Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland||

    The differences are important and, for ostensible adults, obvious. Reason, science, tolerance, progress, modernity, education, and inclusivity vs. backwardness, ignorance, bigotry, silly dogma, insularity, and superstition.

  • Boston_Patriot||

    The left explicitly rejects reason in the university halls, as does the religious right in the churches. The other terms you use are either undefined, or are practiced by both sides equally, just in different forms.

  • MJBinAL||

    Yes Rev., but the progressives have always been backward, ignorant, bigoted, dogmatic, insular, and superstitious.

  • Marshal||

    " 'Republicans' control government "

    This is not true. Government includes the bureaucracy which remains left, often far left, regardless of who is nominally in charge.

  • marshaul||

    Indeed, the FBI, DHS, CBP, DEA, DOJ, DOD etc. are all well-known centers of power for the "far left".

    Jesus fucking Christ, get your head out of your ass. The so-called "left" and "right" as represented by politicians and government have exactly the same fucking agenda, and it's allowed to proceed apace regardless of which putative "side" is "in power" precisely because of useful idiots like yourself, who allow themselves to be led via their tribal instinct like so many mindless peons.

  • UltraModerate||

    Conservatives have done a hell of a job of "implementing their agenda," if most of rural America is any indication. Hell, there are a LOT of morons who still believe Pizzagate was a thing.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Sorry Chip, these two things are not equivalent.

  • trashdoveluvsu||

    What a strange way of saying that no matter which way you slice it, you'll eat either half of a piece of shit.

    One side is always worse than the other, itvjust merely oscillates between the two. Right now it isn't even fucking close as to who the larger threat is.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    As someone in the commentariat once said, if the cmservatives have their way, life will be like America in the 1950's. If progressives have their way, life will be like Soviet Russia in the 1950's.

    One is definitely worse.

  • SIV||

    1950s America is far and away the best 1950s. There's no argument otherwise.

  • tzx4||

    Indeed, the capitalists in the west were scared of their antithesis in Asia, and thus treated the working class very well to prove the superiority of Capitalism over state ownership of the economy, AKA socialism. Now that the "Communist" menace is gone they are free to f##k the middle class and are a good few decades into doing just that.
    I'd take the 50's New Deal tax structure, rates, and regulations that built the middle class any day over what we have now. I can remember a day when the GDP went up, wages did too. Now all the proceeds go to the top.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    So you advocate stripping all federal and state regulations issued after 1959? Ok.

  • Lester224||

    1950s America mostly sucked if you were not white and male. Employers were allowed to quality jobs with "male" or "female" and Jim Crow laws were all over the place. It just didn't suck as much as 1950s Russia.

  • Egypt Steve||

    I agree completely. It's the side backing the dotard fast-food junkie, lying in bed watching porn videos with his tiny fingers on his big nuclear button.

  • STSA||

    The right complains about shows they don't like, but they don't have the power to kill them, they're rarely taken seriously. The exception is country music, their boycott of the Dixie Chicks worked because country is for conservatives just like rock is for commies. If you want to hate America, go play rock music, which is what the commie Chicks did.

  • Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland||

    It was suicide.

  • John||

    Liberals killed Rosanne by demanding it be canceled. Conservatives killed the NFL protests by turning off the TV. That isn't the same thing. If Rosanne's tweet had offended enough of her audience to kill her ratings, I don't see how anyone could complain about the show being canceled. That, however, is not what happened. ABC canceled the show before we ever knew what effect it would have on ratings to satiate a braying twitter mob. That is not the same thing as the NFL doing everything it could to tolerate the protests and finally telling players to knock it off after they lost significant revenue because of it.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Conservatives killed the NFL protests by turning off the TV.

    We liberals don't have TV's, and in the rare case we do, we use them to watch NOVA.

  • John||

    Or the Daily Show.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    As a liberal, I'm willing to admit that I'm still a little too spooked to watch a black man on TV.

  • SIV||

    Amos and Andy triggers...

  • Presskh||

    Or The View.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Or that cunt, Samantha Bee.

  • Bearded Spock||

    Kind of like how old church ladies tuned in to Jim and Tammy Fae during the '80s, except it's Neil Degrasse Tyson and there is no organ music.

  • Deconstructed Potato||

    "We are gathered here today to FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE!" - The Reverend N.D. Tyson

  • tzx4||

    Yeah, really. Who needs science anyway? Western civilization was so much better of before the Enlightenment.

  • SpootyHead||

    Thanks for ignoring the point, Diane.

  • Juvenal||

    How virtuous of you: two gold stars on the virtue-signaling national roll call.

    "Liberals don't have TVs." Do you know how silly this petulant comment sounds? As if, MSNBC. CNN, and all the rest of the MSM could survive without progs watching (not liberals in the classic sense). Gee, without an audience to watch the adverts between fake news alerts, the sponsors (companies) must be really be into public service. How pretty to think so (apologies, Papa).

  • Earth Skeptic||

    So, how many watch on actual TVs? You know, the things that sit on a cabinet or mount on the wall?

  • perlchpr||

    I think your sarcasm meter might need to be serviced.

  • Tony||

    ABC cancelled it before any prominent libruls asked for it to be cancelled.

  • SIV||

    Charles Blow was demanding a list of their advertisers.

  • Deconstructed Potato||

    What difference would prominence (relative though it is) make? Just a few more outraged voices to quicker spread the call to the social media pitchfork party.

  • Tony||

    So John is trying to make the argument that the mob overcame steely business decisions. The decision was made by the business.

    Not that the mob isn't part of that equation anyway.

  • Poor and Dumb||

    The mob has made it clear in the past what will happen if you pass them off.

    But, unusually, Reverend is correct, this was basically suicide.

  • Deconstructed Potato||

    It was possibly [career] suicide, because it was entirely predictable that the mob would descend, but John is correct in that the NFL responded to actual numbers, whereas ABC made a decision on principle/signalling alone.

    [conjecture]I doubt the tweet itself would have made a big dent in the viewership, but it would certainly have caused advertisers to pull out right quick fast in a hurry.[/conjecture]

  • Tony||

    "There's no room for principle in business! Also we should let businesses basically run society, because principles!"

    --Libertarianism in a nutsack

  • Poor and Dumb||

    Is that supposed to make sense?

  • Tony||

    No, which is what I've been trying to say for years.

  • Poor and Dumb||

    What I meant was, "what does that have to do with this conversation "

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Yes, a dumbfuck like you would think that Tony.

  • Napoleon Bonaparte||

    She should have kept her mouth shut for a couple more years. By that time ethnic humor will be back in style again.

  • MJBinAL||

    That's because they have so many prominent liberals inside ABC they did not need to wait for a reaction.

  • flyfishnevada||

    Well said. They are two different things. Besides, the author makes no bones about what Roseanne said, calling it vile and disgusting, and then goes on to make the case that ABC really had no choice and said that if leftists can intimidate ABC, "...more power to them." But then the author goes on to suggest that what the NFL did was somehow not justified. You can't have it both ways. Neither Roseanne nor the protesting NFL players have any right to free speech on someone else's dime and both ABC and the NFL were well within their rights to protect themselves from further harm, even if ABC capitulated before the effects of Roseanne's statements could be known.

  • Presskh||

    Agree.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    What do you expect from Robby? Got to get that virtue signaling in.

  • MoreFreedom||

    Robby is right that the real issue is the "race to find more things to be offended about and more reasons to start lynch mobs ... to one-up each other on the outrage front." Seriously, thin skins are making angry mobs. And you'd think liberals would learn their lesson from the #metoo movement with so many liberals being the most illiberal.

    Whatever happened to tolerance, allowing people the freedom to show their often foolish selves?

    Now liberals have set a new standard they'll have to live up to, as people point out what a lot of them have said. They'll get a chance to show their hypocrisy, again.

  • SIV||

    Tolerance went out with spandex pants, disco and the full size personal luxury coupe.

  • I can't even||

    Robby has his virtue signal lit up to full power.

  • Weigel's Cock Ring||

    Soave isn't a libertarian, and he absolutely sucks at pretending to be one.

    He wouldn't know a genuine principle if it bit him in the ass.

  • Deconstructed Potato||

    Point well made, John.

  • Wizard with a Woodchipper||

    ...and yet Sharpton still has a show over at MSNBC, Farrakhan is embraced by the left and never condemned for his racist statements, and Keith Ellison holds a top tier job at the DNC.

  • Tony||

    The only real racists are black people derpy derpy doo!

  • Poor and Dumb||

    Don't be an asshole Tony, you know very well there are plenty of behavioral inconsistencies, and minimizing them because you are politically aligned with the people acting badly dowsn't do you any favors, it just makes you look like a partisan ass.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Tony will never admit those things. He really is the worst piece of shit.

  • Finrod||

    Well, he is a partisan ass, so it just means his mask has slipped.

  • MarkLastname||

    Because either white people are racist, or black people are racist. It's one or the other. All racists are white, or they're all black. That simple. And if you criticize black racism, it means you think only black people are racist. QED!

    And god forbid you hold people if all races to the same standard. Who else wanted that? The Nazis, that's who, right Tony?

  • Tony||

    Unlike you I'm not the thought police. Be as racist as you want. The problem is whether the cumulative effect of people being racist actually affects human livelihood. Do you suffer from white racism? Do tell.

  • some guy||

    Well Valerie Jarrett's livelihood seems to be intact, so why do you have a problem with Rosanne's racist remarks?

    I mean, I know you revel in mendacity and hypocrisy, but this is taking it to a new level.

  • Tony||

    I think that indiscreet comments should be tactfully ignored in the name of good manners, but "social media" has made us all into apes.

  • JesseAz||

    "all into apes."... which implies Vallerie Jarret is an ape....

    Delete your account now racist.

  • L.G. Balzac||

    Sometimes I agree with Tony, but I think social media turned only "some" of us into "apes" others were already there, my nigga.

  • Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland||

    That isn't the same thing.

    NFL players were protesting injustice. Roseanne was being a reprehensible, lying bigot.

    Also not the same thing.

  • Libertymike||

    Do you mean the injustice of black men being far more likely than white or Asian men making babies out of wedlock?

    Do you mean the injustice of black men being far more likely than white or Asian men to commit inter-racial crimes of violence?

    Do you mean the injustice of black men being far more likely than white or Asian men to assault other black men?

    Do you mean the injustice of black men being far more likely than white or Asian men to murder other black men?

    Do you mean the injustice of so-called civil rights leaders failing to demand that black folk do something about the aforementioned injustices?

  • Sidd Finch v2.01||

    Do you mean the injustice of so-called civil rights leaders failing to demand that black folk do something about the aforementioned injustices?

    I hear this a lot from people ... close to the Canadian border. The black "community leaders" do actually spent a lot of time preaching about this stuff. It just only gets picked up when there's a shooting at the anti-violence rally, and then only in the Breitbart type press.

  • bangbang||

    Maybe he means the injustice of white men being more likely to be shot by cops than black men.

    On second thought, I'm pretty sure he's okay with that injustice, lol.

  • Poor and Dumb||

    "NFL players were"

    Let me stop you right there. What they were doing, in the context of this conversation, is utterly irrelevant.

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

    Liberals killed Rosanne by demanding it be canceled. Conservatives killed the NFL protests by turning off the TV. That isn't the same thing.

    you have got to be fucking kidding me

    Are you arguing that there was no activism from the right trying to demand the NFL to change its policies?

    For heaven's sake Trump himself called for a boycott.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    He tweeted a random comment. That's hardly an organized call for a boycott. The activism from the right was people Turing off their TVs.

    Not the same thing, except maybe to certain.....individuals, such as yourself.

  • BrianBailey||

    It seems pretty clear. Why are you so upset?

  • Napoleon Bonaparte||

    Another point - nobody in the NFL lost their job over the protests. A whole bunch of people just lost their jobs over Rosanne, including Rosanne herself.

  • BM3||

    I suspect one additional reason that Trump entered the arena on the NFL is that they are a nonprofit and receive a more favorable government tax status.

  • D-Pizzle||

    The NFL is a pass-through entity, not a nonprofit. There's a big difference. All of the federal taxes that would be paid by the NFL are instead paid by the individual teams.

  • JWatts||

    There are still significant tax advantages for doing it that way.

  • BrianBailey||

    Well said.

  • Plainuserid||

    Totally agree. The way each situation was handled by the NFL and ABC was completely different. The NFL tolerated the players until it affected business. Rosanne was booted by ABC the very same day she made a controversial joke.

    Did any liberal media ban Kathy Gifford from anything?

  • Emotional Opposition Animal||

    Exactly. Also, the furor over Roseanne was about something she did in the outside world away from her TV show, while the furor over the anthem protests is about something the players did while they were on TV.

    Disclaimer: I found Roseanne's tweets to be rude and inappropriate as well. There is also no way I would have been watching Roseanne's show regardless of what she tweeted.

  • Dillinger||

    >> Why ABC cancelling the show ... might not be a great thing.

    great thing?

  • Mickey Rat||

    Of course. Roseanne's bizarre tweet had nothing directly to do with the TV show or tbe ABC network but the NFL.players were doing their thing before paying customers using the NFL's stage. The situations are not precisely analogous.

  • John||

    No they are not.

  • Tony||

    Oh please.

  • Deconstructed Potato||

    Please what? Care to explain how you fail to see the distinction?

  • Tony||

    Yes I see the distinction. One is a protest of racist police brutality. The other was racist.

  • Poor and Dumb||

    Which has nothing to do with anything.

  • trashdoveluvsu||

    Holy fuck nobody is that stupid.

    One was an exercise of unprotected speech while on the company dime.

    The other wasxself expression off of the clock on a personal playform.

    Both are within theor rights to part ways woth their employees for actions that undermine their brand.

    But let us not shit ourselves and pretend that these situations are analogous.

  • Tony||

    Why is it that when I come to a libertarian comments board, everyone wants to lecture at me about what rights we don't have?

  • Elle2018||

    (1/3) Obviously Tony, you just don't understand what a "right" is.
    NFL players have every right to do what they were doing, yup. But guess what? The NFL - as their employer - has every right to expect them to follow their rules WHILE THEY'RE AT WORK. The NFL has had a policy in place since before 2016 (see their game operations manual which states that players need to be standing, facing the flag, and quiet during the national anthem else they could be fined, suspended, or their team could lose draft picks).
    Just ask yourself - would ANYBODY protesting ANYTHING during business hours AT their job be tolerated?
    This is and never will be an argument about actual comments or viewpoints so it would be intelligent of you and your counterparts to stop "oh look, a squirrel"-ing at the actual words and actions in order to quash the true debate: should America allow private citizens to say what they want on their own time? If the answer to that is "yes", then there can't be a double standard based simply on political viewpoints regardless of what comments come out. Secondly, IF you answered "yes" to the above (which I assume you have), do private organizations have the right to request those viewpoints not be expressed during work hours while said individuals are representing their organization? I would imagine you'd say "yes" to that as well. Hence the NFL requesting players suck it up while on the field.

  • Elle2018||

    (2/3) Thirdly, that leaves the situation we have with Ms. Rosanne. A private citizen expressing her opinion on her own platform outside of work (as in not on the actual show) is being told by her employer (ABC) that they won't tolerate her opinion. Is THAT fair?
    Well, they have every RIGHT (back to that word, I know this is hard for you to track) to can her show because of it. The deep disappointment the majority of us share is that there is a double standard regarding when and with whom these extremely visible organizations decide to make that call.
    The public as a whole decided they like Rosanne on air. The ratings are a testament to that. It shows that many of us can happily watch the show and accept Rosanne, who has said equally, if not more extreme things in the past, as a private citizen with her own opinions whether we agree with them or not. Meanwhile, ABC (the same network) has this other show, The View, with much less favorable ratings (the public speaking again) ON WHICH Joy Behar said Christians have a mental illness. Joy didn't lose her job AND she was AT work REPRESENTING ABC when she said it. But ABC let it go. Just going by pure numbers "Christians" far out number Valerie Jarrett. Now you can extrapolate all you want and end up claiming more people were offending by Rosanne's comment than Joy's...but the point, Tony, is that if ABC wants to censor fairly they certainly are not.

  • Elle2018||

    (3/3) Just to remind you, the NFL, on the other hand, has not said anything or done anything regarding players personal opinions. They have a policy - have had a policy for years and years and years - they are asking their players to respect while at work.

    Now you tell me what right you think you, the NFL players, and/or Valerie Jarrett are being deprived of.

  • MarkLastname||

    So if a bunch of white people refused to observe MLK day as protest against black on white racist crime, what would you call it?

    You might say, 'oh, but that's not a huge societal problem, only an occasional occurrence.' But the same is true of 'racist police brutality.' Under similar circumstances police aren't more likely to shoot black people than white people. This is what the research (study out of Washington U) finds. Much like violent black on white racism, it surely happens from time to time, but is not a massive social phenomenon; that is a fiction.

  • Paloma||

    I dunno 1,000 or so citizens killed by police each year is enough of a social phenomenon for me. Especially when the shooters are very rarely held accountable.

  • Mickey Rat||

    "B-but their intentions!" - Tony

  • Finrod||

    You're a fucking idiot, Tony. Ends justify the means? Just wait until the point of the sword is at you.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    No Tony, they're not. One resulted in the immediate cancellation of a TV show. The other, after two years, resulted in players staying in the locker room until after the anthem if they choose not to stand for it. Not one little bit the same.

    But then, you're a fucking weasel cunt, so you won't admit any of that.

  • Tony||

    If you'd care to notice from behind your veil of awfulness, I am not expressing a strong opinion on this particular matter. I simply note that the incidents are pretty much fucking opposites since one is protesting racism and the violence it causes and the other is perpetuating it.

  • Finrod||

    That's pathetic even by your lame standards, Tony.

  • tzx4||

    " you're a fucking weasel cunt" ????
    In your mind, exactly what does calling someone accomplish?
    In my mind you are damaging your credibility and respectability and doing your ideological perspective no favors.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    In everyone's mind, Tony is a fucking weasel cunt. Are you new here? If so, allow ,e to introduce you to Tony, our resident lying, goal post moving, mendacious, disingenuous, totalitarian, fucking lying weasel cunt.

    FYI, I regularly encourage him to drink Drano too. Although, am off brand drain cleaner is also perfectly acceptable.

    He really is that awful.

  • ||

    When Robby says, "Liberals Killed Roseanne. Conservatives Crushed the NFL Protests. Everybody Happy Now?"
    and all I can hear from Reason is "Insulting Valerie Jarrett Is The Same Thing As Cops Killing 100 Black Guys".

    Whether it's what Robby meant or not, it's accurate because social justice isn't a sword, but a swiss army chainsaw. So that attachment comes standard and isn't necessarily controlled by the person who wields it. Born a swiss army chainsaw handler, die a swiss army chainsaw handler.

  • ThomasD||

    Well, what do you expect? ValJar is rather close to Obama, so it's almost like heresy.

    Does Rico know any rhetorical moves other than pox on both houses?

  • ThomasD||

    Well, what do you expect? ValJar is rather close to Obama, so it's almost like heresy.

    Does Rico know any rhetorical moves other than pox on both houses?

  • Benitacanova||

    The actors in planet of the apes were white. Why is it racist to say a part black woman looks like a white ape?

  • L.G. Balzac||

    Watermelon

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    No, I won't be happy until the Missouri governor resigns. And I expect that'll happen when Hell Freezes Over.

  • John||

    I can't figure out if that guy is a criminal or is being railroaded. That is a story I wish would get more attention because I can't tell what the hell is going on with him.

  • Eidde||

    Governor Nixon?

  • Eidde||

    No, it's a guy named Greitens who had an affair with his...hair stylist? And he's accused of blackmailing her?

  • Eidde||

  • Eidde||

  • DenverJ||

    He was actually arrested and prosecuted because the woman he had an affair with told her husband that he (the governor) had taken a picture of her, partially nude, without her consent and threatened to blackmail her with it. And because he's a Republican.

  • Eidde||

    Yeah, that's a Bad Thing if true.

    Even the part he admits to is bad - not only having an affair with his hair stylist by having a hair stylist in the first place. I mean, how many former Navy Seals have hair stylists?

    Probably not Jesse Ventura.

  • Eidde||

    "She once said Wall Street bankers should be executed via guillotine, has flirted with 9/11 trutherism, and claimed the Boston Marathon bombing was a false flag operation. She doxed George Zimmerman's parents, and suggested people should go to their homes unless Zimmerman was arrested for killing Trayvon Martin. In March 2018, she falsely accused Parkland survivor and activist David Hogg of making a Nazi salute; it was Roseanne herself, of course, who posed as Adolph Hitler for a satirical magazine in 2009, holding a tray of overbaked gingerbread men labelled "burnt Jew cookies.""

    Wow, put that all together in one paragraph and it's certainly a whole lot of crazy.

    That's enough outrage to feed Twitter for a month. Or almost a month. Or maybe a week.

  • Azathoth!!||

    That's enough outrage to feed Twitter for a month

    It is indeed. But when it was 'aimed' at the right it was a-ok.

  • Osamas Pajamas||

    Snarly Hogg brandished his fist aloft in a commie salute. ~:

  • Elias Fakaname||

    And is not in any way a 'Parkland survivor'. As he was not even at the school at the time. He was NEVER in harm's way.

  • SIV||

    He was reportedly at the school but not anywhere near the building on the multi-structure campus.

  • KevinP||

    Correct. Hogg was in a different building from the shooting. Based upon this, I have survived numerous building fires since I was in a nearby building. I have also survived numerous car accidents by being in the general vicinity, even if not involved in the actual accident.

  • ||

    And is not in any way a 'Parkland survivor'.

    They mean survivor in the Sylvia Plath sense of the word.

  • Kyfho Myoba||

    Why is searching for truth ridiculed as "trutherism?"

    Reasonoids are just a bunch of establishmentarians.

  • Finrod||

    "Reasonoids" are just a bunch of people that want a Church of the United States?

    What the fuck, over?

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Well, since prox Morty is relative, I too am a Parkland survivor. I was only 3k miles away at he time. Very traumatic.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    That should have posted up above a bit.

  • sudon't||

    "No one is allowed to pretend that Roseanne finally went too far..."


    Good point. Liberals killed Roseanne the show by hiring Roseanne the lunatic in the first place. They could've done the same show, with a different name, with the same liberal writers and show-runners, and a more sane comedian. Of course, without Roseanne, it might not have attracted the lunatic fringe demographic, which constitutes so much of the Republican party these days, that they were no doubt hoping to school. But, heck, they couldn't even teach Roseanne how to act.

  • Sevo||

    "...Of course, without Roseanne, it might not have attracted the lunatic fringe demographic, which constitutes so much of the Republican party these days, that they were no doubt hoping to school..."

    So the show wasn't a show, it was a vehicle to convert the 'lunatic fringe'?

  • Unicorn Abattoir||

    Or they could have avoided it entirely by renewing Last Man Standing.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Sorry, the only significant 'lunatic fringe' out there is what we call the democrat party.

  • Old Mexican - Mostly Harmless||

    The notoriously pro-Trump comedian—who is otherwise something of an ardent leftist—


    What do you mean "otherwise"? It ain't like Trumpistas are ardent pro-market individualists. Their predilection for government committing despicable crimes on people they don't like (like immigrants) and their hostility towards individual rights and economic freedom puts them on par with their fellow travelers on the Marxian side. It's no wonder Jordan Peterson admonishes both equally.

    has a long history of offensive, nonsensical utterances.


    In other words: She's a Trumpista.

  • John||

    When you use intelligent and creative words like Trumpista, you really impress me Mexican. Nothing conveys a clear mind and the command of the English language like ranting and raving with made-up words.

  • Old Mexican - Mostly Harmless||

    Re: John,

    When you use intelligent and creative words like Trumpista, you really impress me Mexican


    I know that you're easily impressed, John, but I have to tell you: My term, 'Trumpista,' is very clever. Conveys the concept exactly: a person who is not bothered by introspection but instead quick to blame others for his mediocrity, while at the same time following an uneducated lout and sexual predator who says the things he wants to believe. This is why you're so easily offended by the term.

  • John||

    I am not offended I think you are an idiot

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Indeed. Is there anyone who doesn't think he's an idiot?

  • Benitacanova||

    I'm just glad he didn't say Trumpanzee, cuz that would be racist.

    Or would it......?

  • Poor and Dumb||

    Keep othering people, bigot. Just don't be surprised that after you normalize it, you fall victim to it.

  • John||

    Your insults really bothered me as I drove home in my Porsche Mexican.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Is it a Porsche Mexican S, GTS, or Turbo?

  • No Yards Penalty||

    John,
    You aren't ''RealConservative'' from The Federalist are you?
    That's the guy who gets schooled in the comments section and then resorts to bragging about how much money he makes.
    Or maybe you're just the same sort of dickless little weasel with Trump's cock in your throat.
    Can't tell.

  • DenverJ||

    RealConservative up voted me twice today

  • Elias Fakaname||

    How do you have time to look in on John, in between getting cornholed by Bernie whilst lapping at Hillary's cunt?

  • The_Hoser||

    Or maybe you're just the same sort of dickless little weasel with Trump's cock in your throat.

    Nice, homophobe. Where do you work so I can forward this to the appropriate HR lackey?

  • Ron||

    Unlike those who mouthed the phrases "bitter clingers" or "deplorables" not much difference between their own hate filled words and Roseanne's

  • Tony||

    Except nobody ever said "bitter clingers."

  • Ron||

    "it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling" From Obama's remarks and who's blind followers shortened to bitter clingers

  • Eidde||

    To be fair, Obama was talking about Hillary voters in the primaries.

  • Bob Meyer||

    Hillary voters clinging to bibles and guns? What? Were they praying that someone would shoot Obama?

  • Sebastian Cremmington||

    Hillary supporters were from future Trump counties in 2008 but the superdelegates gave the nomination to Obama because the white working class are considered garbage by the Democratic Establishment.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    I'm sure Hillary was. They probably couldn't be sure it would get blamed on a 'vast right wing conspiracy'.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    The important thing is he was talking about people that didn't vote for him.

  • Tony||

    And the people actually, clearly clinging to guns and religion bitterly are somehow offended by this accurate description.

  • Dariush||

    Tony|5.29.18 @ 6:09PM|#

    Except nobody ever said "bitter clingers."

    Tony|5.29.18 @ 7:27PM|#

    And the people actually, clearly clinging to guns and religion bitterly are somehow offended by this accurate description.


    You were saying?

  • Tony||

    It's important we get our quotes accurate.

  • Libertymike||

    Why the pity party over Roseanne's tweet?

    Valerie Jarrett is not exactly the picture of pulchritude.

    She also is not exactly a paragon of virtue - hey, she was just fine with supporting her boss' mass murdering ways.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    "She also is not exactly a paragon of virtue - hey, she was just fine with supporting her boss' mass murdering ways."

    So are Tony, PB, AmSoc, and Arty.

  • Poor and Dumb||

    "Tony|5.29.18 @ 7:51PM|#

    It's important we get our quotes accurate."

    Why? The quote may be slightly paraphrased, but the sentiment is the same no?

    Why the need to play semantics? It doesn't advance the conversation or prove anything beyond an ardent desire to avoid reality.

  • TommyCelt||

    "Right-wingin', bitter clingin', PROUD clingers...."

    -Palin in (on?) ecstacy

  • flyfishnevada||

    Even authors here at Reason refuse to see that your average conservative and your average liberal and just statists of a different color. Using government to force others to live as you see fit isn't okay just because you happen to agree.

  • Old Mexican - Mostly Harmless||

    Re: flyfishnevada,

    Using government to force others to live as you see fit isn't okay just because you happen to agree.


    Trumpistas tend to agree with this sentiment when it comes to certain personal rights but they turn full collectivist when the conversation turns to immigration and economic nationalism, their hostility towards both stemming from their own flirting with Fascism. Leftists tend to agree with the above as well, except when it comes to peaceful market transactions, and people acting according to their preferences (what they call "discrimination").

    Both Trumpistas and leftists are very alike. Both camps are comprised of equally detestable assholes, except that the more destructive of the two has to be Trumpistas, as the policies they espouse have longer-reaching consequences to people's well-being than, say, speech codes on campus.

  • Nardz||

    Old Mexican,

    You make me like immigrants less.

  • Poor and Dumb||

    You just said "Trumpistas" (God what a stupid moniker) are worse than people who support policies that have demonstrably killed tens of millions of people.

    Get a grip on yourself, man.

  • Libertymike||

    Ole Mex deserves a defense or some leeway or benefit of the doubt.

    He is a fellow anarchist and, therefore, he's a brother.

    However, he should rephrase.

  • Poor and Dumb||

    He's not my brother, and he deserves to be pilloried.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    He even deserves to be Hillaried. And I only say that after careful consideration.

  • Entropy Drehmaschine Void||

    EEEEEEEWWWWWW ...

  • Entropy Drehmaschine Void||

    EEEEEEEWWWWWW ...

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Eeeeeeeewwww indeed!

  • Sidd Finch v2.01||

    Trumpista ... Marxian

    Look at the Mexican with the giant brain.

  • BrianBailey||

    Immigrants or illegal immigrants? Or do you not make a distinction?

  • ||

    It's no wonder Jordan Peterson admonishes both equally.

    I'd love to see anything remotely resembling an equivocation between Trump and Marxism from him. Because for someone so firmly in the "pox on both houses" stance, he certainly respects and even arguably lauds Trump intellectually, sympathizes with the frivolity and consternation of white male privilege, and distinctly disdains Marxism without generally (or ever?) calling Trump, whites, or nationalists Marxists.

    Not that I agree with Peterson or know him to be pro- or anti-Trump; just, AFAICT, you have to be reading the tea leaves while on shrooms to get to the conclusion you arrived at.

  • Bearded Spock||

    I read these posts and it strikes me that Reason is essentially arguing that people should be forced to watch shows that offend them.

    I think there's still a lot of butthurt behind the scenes at Reason over the NFL's refusal to subsidize cop-hate and America-loathing.

  • John||

    That is pretty much what they are saying. The only problem with ABC's actions here is that they didn't wait and see if this affected her ratings. If someone finds Rosanne to be offensive, they are perfectly within their rights not to watch her show. Reason is still too butthurt over finally seeing the left being deprived of the opportunity to shove their beliefs down the public's throat in the NFL thing, that they can't bring themselves to admit it.

  • Tony||

    Look at John pretending that ratings are the only thing that matter and that he's not a culture warrior hypocrite simply picking his team.

  • Sidd Finch v2.01||

    Look at Tony showing zero self-awareness for the zillionth time.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Tony, do you realize you constantly accuse people of things which you yourself are guilty? Do you also realize it is totally obvious to everyone here and only makes you look like a more pathetic asshole than you already are?

    Probably not.

  • Tony||

    I didn't say picking a team was wrong, just being a lying fucking hypocrite about it.

  • Vin_Decks!!!||

    Tony displaying once again that world-class self-awareness by ONCE AGAIN accusing people of things of which he himself is guilty in response to a comment NOTING THAT HE DOES JUST THAT.

    This is, like, meta-stupidity.

  • Jickerson||

    Right, because saying that cops have too much power and resort to violence far too quickly is merely cop hate. And, of course, voicing such opinions means you hate America. This smacks of more fake patriotism, just like with the people offended by kneeling during anthems.

    The question here isn't whether or not NBC or the NFL can punish employees for their speech; they can. The question here is why people are offended by such things to begin with. When SJWs are offended by something ridiculous, people here are quick to call them out on how ridiculous they are being. However, when fake patriot morons are offended by people kneeling during the anthem, much fewer people here and elsewhere are willing to call them the snowflakes that they are. Instead, the red herring of 'But the NFL has the legal right to punish those players!' is often used, even if that wasn't even in question. Alternatively, someone will trot out a 'But the left is much worse when it comes to free speech!' argument, which is also misdirection.

    I support the principle of freedom of speech, full stop.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Don't question the patriotism of real Americans. There is no equivalence here, so just stop.

  • No Yards Penalty||

    Elias,
    Take Trump's dick out of your mouth, already, Contard.

  • Finrod||

    Go fuck yourself with a running chainsaw, bloody idiot.

  • No Yards Penalty||

    Elias,
    Take Trump's dick out of your mouth, already, Contard.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Did Hillary and Bernie give you a break between spitroastings? Or are they just lining up to make your double anal fantasy come true? Hopefully you're not too stretched out by Obama's cock.

  • Jickerson||

    Which Americans? People offended by other people kneeling during an anthem? To me, the real patriots are those like Edward Snowden who work tirelessly to improve their countries.

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    What a twisted view of reality.

  • DenverJ||

    Hmm. How about if I opposed the kneeling because:
    1. BLM took the conversation the nation was having about criminal justice reform and turned it into racial and Marxist bullshit, and
    2. Does every goddamned thing on the planet have to be politicised? Can't we even watch a fucking ball game without someone preaching at us?

  • dan'o en barrel||

    Swish

  • dan'o en barrel||

    Swish

  • DarrenM||

    I don't watch football anymore, but I remember people used to go to a game to be entertained for a few hours and escape politics. Not have it shoved in their faces. Maybe that's all changed.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    The progtards want 24/7 indoctrination. They view '1984' as a how-to guide.

  • Jickerson||

    Well, fine. But the problem is that many people who were offended by (not just opposed to) the kneeling just accuse the protestors of hating America, being 'unpatriotic', and other such ridiculous nonsense.

    I don't like SJWs because they are snowflakes, and I don't like fake patriot snowflakes either.

  • Napoleon Bonaparte||

    I think there's still a lot of butthurt behind the scenes at Reason over the NFL's refusal to subsidize cop-hate and America-loathing.

    I've got just the thing...

  • Sometimes a Great Notion||

    No one is allowed to pretend that Roseanne finally went too far,

    Yeah she went too far when she married Tom Arnold.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Is this really so,sting that anyone really cares about? Other than showing what a bunch of neutered clowns run ABC.

  • Tony||

    Being a snowflake on behalf of the flag and eagle tears is the MURICAN way to be a snowflake.

  • Sevo||

    Tony's here to prove once again how easily he's confused.
    Thanks, Tony, but we really don't need reminders.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Yes you treasonous faggot, we get it. You hate America. You also hate any displays of patriotism, integrity or decency.

    Probably feels antithetical to your buggering of schoolboys. Fucking chickenhawk creeper.

  • Tony||

    Have you ever been persuaded to seek professional mental help? I ask as a concerned citizen.

  • Finrod||

    You haven't and you need to, retarded clown.

  • SIV||

    Conservatives won't watch football unless all the players comport themselves perfectly, rigidly adhering to the right's version of patriotic correctness. How dare you disrespect the flag, they say.

    The NFL's ratings and revenue were dropping before the kneeling started. It's not "only" conservatives who didn't like their football being politicized and having social justice movements injected into the spectacle. Hell, Trump jumped on this as an issue for the same reason he does many others, it resonates across the spectrum including centrists, the apolitical and many on the "left" who aren't down with the whole identity politics, PC and intersectional agenda.

  • Tony||

    The protests were about police brutality. You are right that Trump used it as a cynical wedge issue and turned it into something it was not, with a nice dollop of racism of course. He can't go without Big Macs or racism.

  • SpootyHead||

    Wow, you must be really fun at parties....

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    Can you imagine John and Tony at a party? They would yell at each other for about an hour while spilling cheap rum and coke on each other from their red plastic cups, and then they would end up hate-fucking in the bathroom.

  • John||

    Don't worry chipper I am good about ensuring that even slow people can follow the conversation

  • John||

    Don't worry chipper I am good about ensuring that even slow people can follow the conversation

  • Elias Fakaname||

    I'm certain that if Tony actually met me, that he would be incredibly polite, amd beg me for forgiveness for his rudeness and stupidity. As a Tony is a gigantic coward.

  • Tony||

    No politics at parties.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Your mouth is probably too full while you're attending the glory hole.

  • No Yards Penalty||

    Says the guy with Trump's dick in his mouth.
    Or that might be John's dick.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Why? You looking for spank bank material, you faggot cuckold? Is your daddy already done pounding your ass? And this is your way of trying to finagle a three way with John and I?

    Yeah, I'll bet you like that idea, you ineffectual little poof.

  • DarrenM||

    What is this obsession you have with Trump's dick?

  • Finrod||

    It's because he doesn't have one of his own.

  • The_Hoser||

    I think we should start a GoFundMe to get No Yards Penalty a lifetime supply of Cheetos. That's about as close as we can get to what he obviously secretly yearns for.

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    I think you're on to something there. I'll bet he has a dog eared 8x10" glossy of Trump on hand, so he can angrily masturbate to it. My guess is that in his fantasy, he's the little spoon.

  • Juice||

    The protests were about police brutality.

    Actually, it didn't even start out as a protest. Kaepernick just didn't stand for the anthem. And then butthurt conservatives called him out for it and he stupidly tried to make it seem like it had a purpose. "Oh yeah? Well, I'm...uh...protesting..um..police brutality. Yeah."

  • Nardz||

    ^this

    Kaep was pouting, got called out, made up an excuse, and Fox News hyped it relentlessly.
    Without Fox News, it wouldn't have become a thing.

  • Nardz||

    What started as a player pouting turned into a semi-legitimate protest that devolved into an idiotic protest. When Trump got elected, it then became a collective middle finger to all white people and the US.
    No good guys here.
    The conversation it "started" was the wrong and most idiotic conversation possible.

  • Tony||

    If that's what Trump's white voters think then they are the idiots they look like. Why are we validating their ignorant self-centered whininess?

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Tony, just commit suicide. Your racism is tiresome.

  • Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland||

    it then became a collective middle finger to all white people

    Not all whites dislike those who protest injustice. Not all whites are fans of hollow, enforced displays of faux patriotism. Not all whites are intolerant.

  • Nardz||

    Yet all whites were targeted by the rhetoric that labels the US, implicitly and explicitly "white America", as racists.
    And saying that voting or supporting Trump = racist is outright bigotry... and rather unintelligent

  • Sidd Finch v2.01||

    #NotAllWhites

  • Sebastian Cremmington||

    Liberal white Americans watch soccer.

  • SIV||

    Only the ones with children who play it. Immigrants and all-sport fanatics are the only people who watch real soccer.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    'Faux patriotism'.......

    Said by one who truly hates America, right Arty?

    A traitor like you has never served, or had a patriotic thought in his life.

  • No Yards Penalty||

    Oh fuck off.
    Just because you were too stupid to get a real job and decided joining the army was a good idea doesn't make you a fucking patriot, it makes you a bona fide fucking retard.
    Take Trump's dick out of your mouth, already.

  • DenverJ||

    Gotta go with No Yards on this. Going of to the crusades isn't serving, and being a legionary of the Empire isn't defending America.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Well Denver, then you have little concept of what the military does. It isn't all foreign adventures. And see how long you would be safe without the military protecting this country.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Good old No Yards. Just a weak little traitor. Hates America, but too chickenshit to leave. And is jealous of real men, like the ones not afraid to serve.

    Why don't you show what a badass you really are, and go down to the local VFW. Spout your drivel there and see how things go for you.

    You never would, fucking coward.

  • Finrod||

    Someone's obsessed with Trump's cock because they don't have one of their own.

  • Kyfho Myoba||

    Served who? You craven, moral half-wit. You need to read some Smedley Butler. You'd volunteer for the shackles and the noose.

  • Napoleon Bonaparte||

    Yeah, we call those "cucks".

  • Sidd Finch v2.01||

    Nothing says "There's not enough police accountability" like eating Skittles during the national anthem.

  • Paloma||

    Okay, but what would put a stop to the protests? If the BLM platform was adopted? If police were actually sentenced to jail time when they killed someone? When the number of police killings is reduced by 90%? Because there is never going to be a time when it's zero.

  • Mongo||

    The lefties I know hate pro football - pro sports of any kind, really - and will pounce on the chance to get it removed from American culture.

  • Sebastian Cremmington||

    They watch soccer.

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    Soccer is more libertarian than American football.

  • Finrod||

    Metric football only matters to countries under the metric system.

  • Longtobefree||

    OK. Truth time.
    Do businesses / corporations get to make their own decisions on what to produce or what employee behavior to accept, or not?
    Do customers get to decide on their own what products to consume or not?
    Do individuals get to communicate among themselves about those decisions or not?
    Is this whole mess pointless or not?
    Who are the libertarians here?

  • Eidde||

    There were no end of disclaimers in the article that ABC has the right to drop Roseanne like a (very large) hot potato. But the post wondered whether that was a good idea. Who knows if it is, I don't watch it.

  • Sevo||

    "...ABC has the right to drop Roseanne like a (very large) hot potato...."

    Roh, roh, Eddie; 'fat shaming'!

  • Jerryskids||

    The libertarians are the racists defending Roseanne's right to be a racist. The only question is, are libertarians who are racist simply by virtue of being white right-wing extremist Nazi climate-denying shills for their corporate masters more racist or less racist than somebody who says something that might actually objectively be considered racist by the standards of 20 years ago? It's going to be interesting to see just how many people have gotten inured to cries of "Racist!" such that they just really do not give a shit any more.

  • Bob Meyer||

    Having the right to do something isn't the same as being right in doing it. Roseanne has every right to be a racist but that doesn't make racism right.

  • sparkstable||

    Wow. That's some projection you got going on there.

  • Trigger Warning||

    Lurk moar, noob.

  • Bearded Spock||

    "Liberals killed Roseanne. Conservatives crushed the NFL protests"

    You know who else killed and crushed things?

  • Eidde||

    Conan the Barbarian?

  • Mongo||

    Killer Kowalski and Crusher Blackwell?

  • Dillinger||

    Galactus?

  • SusanM||

    Don't forget what Video did the the Radio Star.

  • Ken Shultz||

    Negasonic Teenage Warhead?

  • Jerryskids||

    Sid Phillips?

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    The "Crush Your Heads" guy from The Kids In The Hall?

  • Aloysious||

    Mike Trout, when he hit his last home run?

  • Deconstructed Potato||

    The feds when they seize an "illegally" imported automobile?

  • Nardz||

    Fat Joe?

  • Thomas O.||

    Brad Paisley?

  • Deconstructed Potato||

    He's like, level 99 'luminati. World shadow govt. shit. Weird handshakes and "forbidden knowledge".

    I fucking love his music, though.

  • SIV||

  • Trigger Warning||

    Kratos?

  • I'm Not Sure||

    Brawndo?

  • Elias Fakaname||

    She-Hulk, on her period?

  • DarrenM||

    "Robot" from "Lost in Space"?

  • Inigo Montoya||

    So if progressives will kill the careers of conservatives for wrong-think and conservatives want to kill the careers of progs for wrong-think, where does that leave libertarians?

    Depending on the subject at hand, our views are likely to be double-plus-ungood to one side or the other, or even to both sides equally at times.

    I'm already learning to keep my mouth shut on anything remotely political (which encompasses more each day) unless I'm completely sure of my audience. That pretty much eliminates social media.

  • Deconstructed Potato||

    I was there a while back. Since more and more things become acutely politicised, it leaves less and less "safe" subjects of conversation. As people become more obsessed with their "political identity", and integrate this into how they present themselves as if it were a face tattoo, I find that I am ever more careful to avoid being met with obtuse, signaling, bizarre statements from people who otherwise seem able to function as adults within the real world. In a way it helps me practice some clever diplomacy, but I'd rather just be able to shoot the poop with friends I used to shoot the poop with rather than tread carefully through encounters trying not to step on any political mines.

  • Inigo Montoya||

    In many cases, these "face tattoo people" (good analogy) are indeed otherwise capable of functioning in the real world, so I try not to take the bait and simply ignore them when they start to virtue-signal. It's sort of like when a friend starts telling you details about their recurrent bouts of diarrhea or whatever else you'd rather not know, except you don't tell them, "Okay, dude, that's TMI," — at least not in so many words.

  • MotörSteve||

    I can 100% relate to all this. I find myself learning to be diplomatic and when I express libertarian views, I do so in an apolitical way.
    I've also made friends with a few people who are really only obnoxiously political on social media, but quite pleasant in real-life. I focus on their real-life persona and ignore their social-media version.

  • Libertymike||

    Good point.

    All of us here should remember this and apply it. For example, we should just ignore the obnoxious caricature the Rev. Kirkland has created for use and just assume that he is actually rather pleasant in real-life.

  • MotörSteve||

    Well, the people i know in the real world I don't believe go out of their way to troll comment boards like the aforementioned Rev. It's also true that some people are obnoxiously political in real-life too, and I tend to avoid such people.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    "So if progressives will kill the careers of conservatives for wrong-think and conservatives want to kill the careers of progs for wrong-think, where does that leave libertarians?"

    Conservatives mostly wanted the disrespectful shit to stop. And it apparently will now. No one lost their job, other than CK, and that was primarily due to the fact that he wanted $4+ million per year when he wasn't worth $1 million anymore.

    The same tihng would happen here if it were conservatives and not progtards upset. Because conservatives tend to get irritated by things and tune out. As opposed to losing their minds and freaking out, demanding immediate cancellation of the show.

  • VinniUSMC||

    Inigo, exactly who's careers are being killed by conservatives? False equivalence much?

  • Juice||

    Looks like everyone's lining up to make sure everyone else sees that they called the tweet racist. To be sure.

  • Eidde||

    What is it, then?

  • Eidde||

    We get so used to phony racism charges that when real racism comes up we ought to specify that this is the Real Thing.

  • Juice||

    And yet it's not "the real thing."

  • Eidde||

    It's not?

    It may not be foul and nasty like the n-word, but it's a primate-related joke about a black person. Maybe not the worst thing in the world, but it still moves the needle on the racism-o-meter.

  • Deconstructed Potato||

    That's kinda racist that you would assume the connection with "black person" rather than the individual, whom I just looked up, and she actually does kind of resemble the special effects makeup for one of the characters in the 1968 movie, but not in a bad way. There's a certain similarity. Maybe the eyes and cheekbones.

  • Nardz||

    ^this

    Assuming racism is itself racist, in most instances.

  • Eidde||

    "Assuming racism is itself racist, in most instances."

    You just assumed racism.

  • Nardz||

    Damn it!

  • Trigger Warning||

    Racism set theory!

  • Inigo Montoya||

    It always kind of struck me as racist that people assume that any reference to primates other than Homo sapiens that draws a comparison to a person must have a racist intent. To a non-racist, why should an ape correspond to a particular ethnicity of human? I know most chimps have very dark fur, but their bare skin when visible seems to come in various shades of gray and tan. And what about orangutans? Would they all be linked to human gingers? If someone said the pres is as if "an Orangutan and Team America: World Police" had a baby on Twitter, would that be racist?

  • Eidde||

    "To a non-racist, why should an ape correspond to a particular ethnicity of human?"

    That is actually kind of the point - people who *are* racists have traditionally linked the higher primates to black people. It used to be a whole branch of pseudoscience.

    I think someone of Roseanne's generation would make the link from back when such comparisons were more thick on the ground.

    Plus the fact that she loves saying stuff that's even more offensive than that - it's mild in comparison to some of her other stuff. So it's not like "I can't imagine Roseanne of all people drawing such a comparison!"

  • SIV||

    Somewhere I have an anti-Catholic pamphlet with cover art showing a gorilla-priest assaulting a young white woman in the confessional. Probably one of Nick Gillespie's Irish or Italian great-great uncles.

  • Eidde||

    Thomas Nast liked to portray the Irish Catholics as some kind of ape-men. Linking some people to apes is an old tradition.

    A sub-part of that tradition involved linking lower primates with black people.

  • Eidde||

    Seriously, I make more comments about stuff *not* being racist than about their being racist.

    The odds are that from time to time a genuinely racist remark would come up.

    I think people are defensive because they see the alternatives as being (a) racism - kill the heretic and dangle them upside down like Mussolini or (b) not racism.

    But think of racist jokes like farting - I suppose there was a time when the Saxons in the mead-halls would fart often and as loudly as possible, not people try to minimize it, but if someone does it, just chide their thoughtlessness and move on.

  • Eidde||

    *now* people try to minimize it

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    I agree with your point that racism has become so hot-button that we kind of seem to think the only proper reaction to any racism is complete rejection from society.

    Even people less prone to calling out "RACISM" seem to have absorbed this message subconsciously. With the stakes this high, one of the reactions people now have is to deny racism. Which I think is an unhealthy direction to have been pushed in. As we all have cognitive biases and preconception. It doesn't necessarily make us some irredeemable evil (Everyone is redeemable anyway) but it's something we should try to be aware of take care to be better about.

    I've said this before, but I think we've increasingly reached a place of Manichaeism. People are either good or bad. And so we will defend people's bad actions as good, until they reach some threshold and they become entirely bad. I think you see this with the SJW type who tend to protect people, until something happens to cause them to be entirely rejected and unpersoned.

    And I think this is an unhealthy mindset, as we're all really truly broken in some ways. Being able to recognize that is part of what we need to slowly improve.

  • DarrenM||

    I'm not even sure what racism is as far as where the line is drawn. To me, any *expectation* that someone believes or behaves in some way because of their race is "racist". If you notice someone's race, then think because of it they must be X or must necessarily believe Y, even if only for an instant, you are racist to some degree. By this metric, I'm pretty sure just about anyone is racist. In fact, it should be human nature as it would only make sense to evolve some instinct that anyone outside the tribe, that's different, should be considered a danger. We should be able to recognize it and control it, though. That ability is part of what makes us human.

    Is someone racist because of how they act or what they say? Does this mean that if you can hate someone because of their race, but you never do or say anything about it then you are not really racist? This seems wrong, so I'll stick with my definition.

  • Tony||

    It's not racist because monkeys aren't a race!

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Apes aren't even monkeys!

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    Thank you, BUCS.

  • Dillinger||

    islamo-zoolocist!

  • DenverJ||

    Llamaphobic?

  • SusanM||

    I think the point at issue is that people will go out of their way to show that they're woke or bae or whatever as if they needed to remind everyone that they are woke or bae or whatever.

  • Eidde||

    In this context, where we keep pointing out the fakeness of racism charges, it would be helpful if we acknowledge when a real racist remarks comes along. Otherwise, this being the Internet, the assumption will be that we think *all* racism charges are bogus.

    They're not, just a whole lot of them.

  • Sidd Finch v2.01||

    I'm not exactly sure what "racism" is, but I know for a fact it can't simultaneously be The Most Important Thing and also saying a woman looks like another woman in a humanoid monkey costume.

  • Eidde||

    I didn't call it the Most Important Thing.

    Important would be a KKK lynching.

    Racial joke are low-grade annoyances. They're not important as such, but they're racist.

  • Eidde||

    In fact, now that we're in the hip postmodern era there could be a case for blowing the dust off the old Blanche Knott books and having a reading party. But don't pretend it's not racist.

  • Eidde||

    PS - make sure the people you invite to your party know you *very* well.

  • Sidd Finch v2.01||

    Are you sure it's a good idea to use one word to describe murdering innocents and tasteless jokes?

  • Eidde||

    I dunno, some people use "non-aggression principle" to forbid everything from unconsented tickling to mass murder.

  • Sidd Finch v2.01||

    Does that strike you as a good idea?

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Also a weird complaint because it's equally applicable to every word describing a category of things.

    Are you sure it's a good idea to use "happy" to mean everything from finding a clean restroom to the birth of your child?

    Are you sure it's a good idea to use "wrong" to mean everything from thinking that the new Star Wars movies are good to the jewish holocaust?

    Are you sure it's a good idea to use "east" to mean everything from Britain to China?

  • Sidd Finch v2.01||

    Genuine LOL at the idea of someone in media publicly describing the Holocaust as "wrong."

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    It's a hoot and a holler.

  • Sidd Finch v2.01||

    It's good that you can laugh at your retarded arguments.

  • Poor and Dumb||

    "Are you sure it's a good idea to use "happy" to mean everything from finding a clean restroom to the birth of your child?"

    I am. Is this supposed to be analogous? Because it isn't.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Why not? It's a word representing a wide range of possibilities. Which was the criticism that Sidd Finch leveled against his usage of racism. My point was that this is not a particularly meaningful criticism of a word.

  • Poor and Dumb||

    "Why not? It's a word representing a wide range of possibilities"

    Because there are no consequences for misapplying it, among other things.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Which is the real issue with it. See my post above.

  • Sidd Finch v2.01||

    Christ you're an idiot.

    Which was the criticism that Sidd Finch leveled against his usage of racism. My point was that this is not a particularly meaningful criticism of a word.

    The term "Middle East" has been in the news every day of your life, and yet ...

    Are you sure it's a good idea to use "east" to mean everything from Britain to China?

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    It's presumably to the east of where you are right now. While "Middle East" is actually a proper noun.

  • Sidd Finch v2.01||

    *facepalm*

  • CatoTheChipper||

    I don't remember any progressives getting similarly outraged over the grotesque Aunt Jemima caricatures of Condoleeza Rice or the "house n****r" caricatures of Clarence Thomas that were published in the political cartoons of mainstream periodicals and Internet memes in the 90's and 00's.

    This is nothing more nor less than partisans pointing out the motes in each other's eyes. A pox on both their houses.

  • General_Tso||

    Cartoonist Ted Rall. Disgusting.

  • Juice||

    In this context, where we keep pointing out the fakeness of racism charges, it would be helpful if we acknowledge when a real racist remarks comes along.

    That's true, I suppose, but this ain't it.

  • Nardz||

    I really hate woke and bae.
    Though now I'm coming around on woke, as it's great fun ironically.
    But not bae. Fuck bae. What a stupid term

  • SusanM||

    I wouldn't know. I gave up after "rad".

  • Trigger Warning||

    I take it you've never been ratchet or on fleek.

  • Trigger Warning||

    I take it you've never been ratchet or on fleek.

  • Trigger Warning||

    I take it you've never been ratchet or on fleek.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Was it? Who cares? Unless you can read Roseanne's mind you're not really going to know.

  • The_Hoser||

    Is it racist if:

    A) We take Barr at her word and she actually didn't know Jarrett was black, and
    B) Valerie Jarrett actually resembles a character in one of the recent POTAs?

  • Juice||

    She doxed George Zimmerman's parents, and suggested people should go to their homes unless Zimmerman was arrested for killing Trayvon Martin.

    Wasn't that Spike Lee?

  • Eidde||

    Lee tweeted the wrong address.

    https://nydn.us/2J1Ywkl

  • Aloysious||

    Everybody Happy Now?


    Is your hair a mess? Then no, I'm not happy.

  • libertynugget||

    Can someone be outraged by Scorpion please?
    I hate that show and its an insult to intelligence that is still on.

  • Deconstructed Potato||

    I like Roseanne Barr. She's totally fucking absurd and genuinely entertaining. I don't have to agree with everything someone says to appreciate them. I did laugh at the tweet because it's ridiculous. I don't know anything about this Jarrett woman, and as such I wish no ill upon her, but fucking sticks and stones. How fucking miserable is it when everyone is fucking offended all the time? Especially on someone else's behalf, unsolicited, and then the person who was the target of the jibe is pressured by the "collective outrage" to be offended. How bout a good old fashioned witty comeback? Holy fuckballs. I hate every ape I see from chimpan-A to chimpan-zeeee! You'll never make a monkey out of meeee!

  • Nardz||

    ^sir or ma'am, you're one spot on potato

  • Bob Meyer||

    I wonder what would have happened if 15 years ago Roseanne has made the same remark about Condoleeza Rice? Would ABC cancel her or give her a Christmas Special?

  • Eidde||

    They'd let her do a Christmas Special in the monkey house at the zoo, that's how outraged they'd be.

  • Bob Meyer||

    What if she made that remark about Ruth Bader Ginsburg? Or Jan Brewer? Or any less than attractive white woman? Why is it only racist if it's said about a black woman?

    It would still be a terrible thing to say about anyone but it wouldn't be racist.

  • Eidde||

    If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but I don't recall her saying it about ugly white chicks.

    But as the post says, she's already made a habit of statements so out there that this comment section looks like Emily Post by comparison.

  • Tony||

    She made pretty much the same comment about Susan Rice.

  • Tony||

    If you're complaining about snowflakes pretending to be offended, count Roseanne among them, since she doesn't seem like someone prone to apologizing for jokes.

    I don't think comedians should apologize for jokes, but they have to be good jokes. The real lesson here is that rightwing media turns people into idiots.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    The other lesson I learn, which I learn over and over again, is that people are ready at a moments notice to decry someone as crazy. Fuck them. Debate the merits of this.

  • Tony||

    The merits of the monkey joke?

    As a fan of the show since I was a kid I'm sad they took such drastic action and put all those people out of work. I also think these things blow over if everyone stays calm. But Roseanne was probably a ticking time bomb for them from the beginning. Very much like Trump except without the guaranteed term.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Yes, discussing the racism, the appropriateness of the statement, these are issues that are meaningful. Calling her a crazy person is not. It's the same as attacking motive. It's a fallacy. The difference is that this mental health shit is a fallacy that I personally give a shit about.

  • Tony||

    I said idiot, not crazy. Rightwing media turns otherwise intelligent people into blithering idiots. I've seen it happen in real time to people I personally give a shit about. Propaganda works.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Seems I wasn't clear, I apologize. I wasn't saying you said it there. It's just being thrown around a lot, on both sides, all over twitter.

  • MarkLastname||

    Given how much right wing media you seem to watch, you may well be exhibit A that it turns people into idiots.

  • Devastator||

    But she's crazy? O_O , have you ever actually listened to her in an interview? She's as crazy as Tom Cruz. I like his movies, but he's totally looney tunez.

  • Eidde||

    I don't know if Roseanne is herself crazy, but the quoted statements of hers sound crazy. Maybe it's just an emergency exit, like the Joker said.

    (Incidentally, when will the sensitivity crowd criticize DC for having a character who is a stereotypical dangerous madman, stigmatizing sufferers from mental illness?)

  • Eidde||

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Hey, when Morrison writes him he has SUPER-Sanity. He's the only one truly aware of the universe as it is, which is why he seems to apart. But also, come on Morrison, don't be so obvious about it.

  • Libertymike||

    Morrison?

    Which Morrison?

    Joe, #40, played for the New York Football Giants?

    Van, #wrote songs for someone like you?

    Morrison, Mahoney & Miller, Boston insurance defense firm?

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    I'm sorry to disappoint you, but this was pure nerd shit. Grant Morrison.

  • Libertymike||

    No disappointment, BUCS.

    Besides, a lot of people might think the Morrisons to whom I referred are pretty nerdy shit. I guarantee you, though, John, and maybe Pro-Lib, would know Joe.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    It's a thing a try to convince more traditional nerds, that dedicated sports folk (i.e. those who can vomit decades of stats out their assholes) are fucking nerds too. Everybody has got their thing.

  • Paloma||

    Jim! Break on through to the other side!

  • Pro Libertate||

    ABC's show, ABC's call. Ditto the NFL. Do what you want in response. It's a free country.

  • Eidde||

    Unless they have a "we get to say and do dumb stuff on camera or on Twitter" clause in their contract.

    Like a tenure contract, as it were.

  • Pro Libertate||

    I imagine that her agreement had a morals clause, which usually allows for immediate termination. From the language I've seen, making a public comment that can be viewed as racist would be enough. Of course, that could be litigated.

    I think this identity politics crap is tiresome, and she's likely making a political statement than anything else, but I can also see why ABC is bravely running away.

    If this were CBS, I'd sue. Exhibit 1–Hogan's Heroes. And I loved that show.

  • Pro Libertate||

    Also, can someone explain what the heck is happening in Italy?

  • Eidde||

    Hmmm..."Italian debt crisis..." not a phrase one really wants to hear...

  • Juice||

    Looks like they want to get out of the Euro so they can hyperinflate and have liras worth 1/10 of a penny again.

  • Eidde||

    I should have bought those wheelbarrow company stocks.

  • Pro Libertate||

    Wait, does that mean cheap travel there?

  • Poor and Dumb||

    It's already cheap, 185 into oslo, 50 or 60 into Bergamo, bang done.

  • SIV||

    Used Ferraris at Corvette prices!

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Same thing that's happening every day: nothing good.

  • Poor and Dumb||

    are you fucking stupid? Italy is beautiful and awesome.

  • Bob Meyer||

    The news of Rosanne's cancellation hit them pretty hard.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    The story of a bunch of grown children still hanging out all the time at their mom's house resonates with their very souls.

  • Sevo||

    "Also, can someone explain what the heck is happening in Italy?"

    Have a friend there, 'well off' or better. He buys 'over the table' only if it is impossible to find that good otherwise. From the ease with which he does, it's obvious he's legion.
    So nobody's paying the taxes and everybody wants free shit.
    Oh, and damn those Krauts for funding it!

  • Echospinner||

    Libertarians have long argued that we do not need the government involved in every detail of our lives. This is evidence that we are correct.

    The execs at ABC made a business decision. That is all there is to it. We may not all agree with them or the NFL but they have made decisions they think are in the best interests of their corporations.

  • cfkane||

    Very highly unlikely that advertisers would not have pulled out of the show. It's about the money. ABC saw the probable loss of revenue and combined with the bad PR, acted to do a Barney Fife and nip it in the bud.

  • An Innocent Man||

    Yo ABC, we still good for my reboot right?

    /Olbermann

  • Yellow Tony||

    FUCK. I hate myself for arriving late to the party, again. "Red Tony," this dimension's current me, the Reverend, and Old Mexican all arrived while I was giving my amputees their weekly enemas.
    Anyway, here's a link: Slutty sheep: Veteran academics warn college students are going off the rails
    It wasn't as sexy as I inferred from the title, but it's still worth the read I guess.
    So here is a link that will get you sluts aroused as if you were sniffing glue and fucking dogs: University's Sex Week to teach women how to have anal sex with strap-on dildos
    Another fucking win for America.

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

    Maybe, in order to mollify the Johns of the country, the CEO of ABC should be summoned to testify before Congress to explain to them why he cancelled the show, and to verify that it was based on bona-fide financial considerations and not "bowing to PC culture". Then and only then can we know the real reason behind the show cancellation.

  • trashdoveluvsu||

    Robby, you ignorant shit weasel. Conservatives (and it probably wasn't just them either) didn't target anyone's job at the NFL. What they did do is act like adults who live in a pluralistic society should do if they disagree with something and in this case walked away. That's it. They turned off the broadcast. Nobody tried to get the NFL off the air or damage them in any capacity.

    This is not the case with Roseanne. What occurred was that a vociferous minority of the recreationally offended who were looking for ways to damage her for wrong think were given a golden opportunity to cry those crocodile tears that they are so fond of. These people never watched the show anyways, so it was unlikely that the brand was not going to be harmed in a way that the NFL was.

    I tune into both the NFL and Roseanne for what are probably the same reasons most people do: I like the product. When I watch football, I want a good clean fight that is competitive and officiated as fairly as possible. Not for politics or grandstanding. When I watch Roseanne, I'm watching it because I like the product that is the art; skillful writing and the comedic delivery that I remember watching as a kid.

    Just as liking Dree Brees doesn't obligate me to watch the NFL, disliking some of what Roseanne Barr the person says in no way obligates me to DISLIKE her show.

    Your schtick is getting pretty old pretty damn fast.

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

    Conservatives (and it probably wasn't just them either) didn't target anyone's job at the NFL.

    lol

    http://twitter.com/realDonaldT.....1553950720

  • Eidde||

    I thought you'd give a link to some conservative's Twitter account, but you didn't.

  • Finrod||

    I see what you did there, and I approve.

  • Variant||

    These are private businesses. They can do as they see fit to best serve their business interests.

    I find it odd that a purportedly libertarian publication feels that the NFL has some societal responsibility to enable its players to push personal political agendas.

  • JuanQPublic||

    "...millions are hurt, offended, and traumatized by Roseanne's racist comments,"

    "Traumatized".

    One has to stand in awe at how far from reality media and the popular culture it covers has plunged. Actual journalists conveying the tone of an overdramatic 8 year old. Using words like "traumatic" to describe things like ridiculous Twitter comments. The fetishization of victimhood.

  • Napoleon Bonaparte||

    Yeah, I loled at the "traumatized" too. What can you say to that? Besides,"Oh! Fuck you!", that is.

  • StoneWallz||

    There cannot be peace in America until we settle this in blood.
    It is inevitable.

  • No Yards Penalty||

    it's fun to see Contards and Fauxbertarians shed their snowflakey tears over a fat ugly pig who angered them with her anthem singing.
    Does anyone remember when libertarians commented here? Where'd they all go?

  • DenverJ||

    Glibertarians.com

  • alicat2441||

    I have no problem with ABC firing Roseanne for her tweets, but I do wonder why Joy Reid is still on the air at MSNBC and Michelle Wolf-that lovely host of the Correspondents Dinner-has a show on HBO. If it is good for one person it should be good for all.

  • DarrenM||

    Just the usual hypocrisy.

  • No Yards Penalty||

    this brought out the fauxbertarians in droves.

  • Finrod||

    And the bloody fucking idiots, like you.

  • Sedona Vortex Hunter||

    I guess this result handed down to Roseanne is just another example of 'White Privilege"....

  • Osamas Pajamas||

    "We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men."

    "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."

    "The further a society drifts from truth, the more it will hate those who speak it."

    "If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear."

    --- George Orwell

  • JustVisiting||

    No reason to yell, no reason to insult anyone. This silent majority is perfectly capable of quietly, silently affecting change with their pocketbook. Those who sponsor ABC shows will no longer see purchases from those deplorable people voting for a conservative agenda.

  • Osamas Pajamas||

    Trumps get characterized as an orange orangutan --- no problem! But in Hollywood, no good deed goes unpunished. Rosanne evidently tweeted "muslim brotherhood & planet of the apes had a baby=vj" --- in reference to terrorist-connected Muslim Brotherhood member and open Iranian spy consciously hired into the OhBummer admin --- Valerie Jarrett --- who in her youth denounced the USA and vowed to make America Muslim. Now she lives with and in the same house with OhBummer and his trans boyfriend, Moo-Chelle. Keep in mind that Kaboomistan is populated by Arab and Irani supremacists --- who subscribe to the Kaboomistani religion supremacy, as well. Rosanne's tweet ought to offend apes --- not Kaboomistanis --- and certainly not the protectors of Kaboomistanis in the American government and in the American media.

  • CambronnesWord||

    This is an especially bad bit of moral equivalence. NFL fans upset at players kneeling during the anthem stopped attending and watching games. Progs, who already refused to watch Rosanne, demanded and got her firing. These are not the same things. If Rosanne had been canceled because its ratings tanked after progs tuned out, then you would have an apt comparison. As it is, you just have a really half-baked hot take.

  • Sevo||

    CambronnesWord|5.29.18 @ 10:52PM|#
    "This is an especially bad bit of moral equivalence. NFL fans upset at players kneeling during the anthem stopped attending and watching games. Progs, who already refused to watch Rosanne, demanded and got her firing. These are not the same things."

    Agreed that they are not the same, but they are not the same in result (as you mention), and they are also not the same in shall we say, instigation:
    The (imposter) QB kneeling was calling no one anything at all, suspect though the motives for his kneeling was and is. Roseanne wasn't so much protesting as parking an H&R comment on a public venue, with her name attached.
    She exercised free speech and (Like Kaep) she found that speech unfettered by legal constraint is not free of consequences.
    There's a reason that insufferable Bolshie 'the rev' posts under a fake name, and me, too. I live in a city where most of the population would string me up from a lamppost if they knew who I am.
    Hey, Bolshie! I hope the same on you!

  • ||

    Here's a notion: STOP PROTESTING OR ENGAGING IN POLITICS ON OTHER PEOPLE'S DIME.

    You go to work and pull that shit and see how it works out.

    I hate everyone these days.

  • Sevo||

    Rufus The Monocled|5.29.18 @ 11:13PM|#
    "Here's a notion: STOP PROTESTING OR ENGAGING IN POLITICS ON OTHER PEOPLE'S DIME."

    Rufus, I like the idea, but most dimbulb celebs are on their employer's dime 24/7.
    And the bias means that the lefty scum Meryl Streep gets to claim victim-hood, since Trump promotes violence and her lefty buds in H-wood would never think of it, while she gets the spotlight to promote her bullshit:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-
    4102026/PIERS-MORGAN-Sorry-Meryl-
    hypocritical-anti-Trump-rant-easily-
    worst-performance-career-apart-
    time-gave-child-rapist-standing-ovation.html
    Yep, even Piers Morgan couldn't stomach the hypocrisy.

  • alicat2441||

    "I hate everyone these days." Believe me. You are not alone.

  • ||

    That's some 'to be sure'.

    Everyone's a cunt.

    But progs are the worst no matter how hard Robby tries.

  • Devastator||

    I've met far more conservative cunts than progressive ones. They tend to want a police state that lets them keep their guns; don't really care about individual rights or free speech.

  • Sevo||

    "They tend to want a police state that lets them keep their guns; don't really care about individual rights or free speech."

    Sarc or stupidity? Not sure.

  • ||

    Let's go with 'alt-reality.'

    And you're beginning to see more and more discussions about police reform on the conservative side.

    They can do those sort of things.

    All you have to do to see the mindset of a progressive is watch all the interviewers of Jordan Peterson.

    Not pretty.

  • SvenS||

    This moment will be remembered as the evening Trump not only gained seats in the House of Representatives, but also secured a filibuster-proof Senate.

    Americans are fed up with the endless blame and grievance offered by Democrats.

    Peace and prosperity are back under President Trump.

  • Finrod||

    If Trump is President at any point that there are 60 GOP Senators, I'll eat my hat.

    There have never been more than 55 GOP Senators in something like 100 years, well before the current filibuster threshold was established in 1975 (so that Democrats could break GOP filibusters, because they had 60 but not 67).

  • smerdlap||

    How breathtakingly arrogant--and inbecilic--to actually think a BS tv show has ANYTHING to do with reality!!

    You people are fundamentally screwed.

  • ||

    Someone isn't watching 'Everyday racism in America' with the sharp wit of Al Sharpton.

  • Ken Shultz||

    Robby writing about free speech under the banner of libertarianism is sooooooooooooooo embarrassing.

    P.S. Different entertainment businesses catering to the tastes of their respective audiences isn't scary from a libertarian perspective. Robby wouldn't know a libertarian perspective if he stepped in it.

  • Devastator||

    This is no different than me getting fired for saying stupid shit at work in front of people at a meeting. Come on Reason.

  • Kyfho Myoba||

    Roseanne wasn't at work.

  • SantaFeSteve||

    They can do whatever they want but I do think there is a difference between cancelling a TV show and an individual opting not to watch a TV show or an NFL football game.

    In one case it is a decision about what people might watch and in the other case it is a decision about what an individual person chooses to watch.

    But that is too subtle for Communists.

  • Deplorable Victor||

    Valerie Jarret is an ugly nigger cunt. Still, Rosanna shouldn't have insulted apes by suggesting she is related to them...

  • SIV||

    To-be-sure-fag get's a Drudge link. All is wrong with this world.

  • GreatAmerican||

    The goal of Communists has always been to squash the First Amendment (among others). This is just more proof of it.

  • 3nd7ime8oogie||

    The ol ironic ad-hominem 'Truther' whose antonymn would give far too much creedence to the vast majority who use it gets another spin. The point where Reason's & the athiest skeptic movement's world view pivots on either a belief in miraculous physics or on a great myth. Inshallah?

  • Kyfho Myoba||

    Bingo!

    What's wrong/crazy about the truth?

  • Daniel Morgan||

    ABC had already announced it was going to dial back Roseannes political comments next year. She probably decided it wasn't worth the hassle

  • Charlie V||

    A thought provoking article. However, kneeling at games was offensive to liberals, too, and there is no defense of Roseanne Barr's tweets by anyone. I fortuitously saw them just after she made them, and before the news. I wondered if someone hijacked her account.

    The bigger question, with a suggested answer, is that we don't have to like everything someone does to enjoy, or at least endure, their professional performance. I can't think of any democrats who approved of Bill Clinton's many predations, and I knowingly say that no conservatives in my part of the world approve of cavorting with skeezy porn actresses, if that even happened.

    The difference today is that people hide behind their keyboards and behave in an exponentially bad way online. Liberals have always, generally, been thin skinned and loud. Not that there aren't good reasons for that, beginning with the civil rights movement and ending with Hillary Clinton's stunning, unaccepted, and deserved loss. But it has been taken to ridiculous extremes today and the trend is crossing the aisle, and jumping off Twitter like a virus, where it affects the lives of real people. As an older middle aged person, I worry for the future. Loudmouths with a life or death, do or die, opinion on everything are a tedious, destructive, cancer on society.

  • AntonyG||

    Is an individual allowed to respond with appropriate language to a member of a tyrannical mob that is attacking his/her whole existence, even if the language used is offensive?

  • Brian||

    She shouldn't have apologized.

    Never apologize for insensitivity. Progressives can smell insensitivity guilt, and it causes them to swarm.

  • alicat2441||

    Had she said a vile thing about Trump or anyone in Trumps sphere she would still be on the air. Look at MSNBC's Joy Reid and the so-called comedienne at the Correspondents dinner. It wasn't that Roseanne insulted someone it was the person she insulted. Obama wasn't going to let this one slide and called for her head. And he got it.

  • IceTrey||

    It's that she compared a black person to an ape.

  • Mock-star||

    I honestly never knew Valerie Jarret was black.

  • IceTrey||

    Whatever it is it's not racist. Racism is the belief that one race is superior to another. Insulting her looks isn't that.

  • AntonyG||

    The Muslim Brotherhood and the Planet of the Apes are perfect examples of tyrannies. Valerie Jarrett is a member of the collectivist tyranny which is systematically ripping our civilization apart. I believe that Roseanne recognized this fact and was mad. Understandably mad.

    But we are not allowed to be mad. Our livelihood is immediately shutdown by the tyranny, and enforced with the help of members of the persecuted group who clearly do not understand the importance of offensive language.

  • AntiScreed||

    There's not ONE of you that knew Jarrett was black... even slightly! I call BS big-time.

  • Ecoli||

    I have to agree. I did not know she is black.

    In terms of skin tone she is whiter than the white lady who claimed to be black so she could lead the NAACP in Spokane, WA. And you can't deny that Valerie is privileged; I am told that is a defining characteristic of "white" people.

    She is not the most attractive lady I have ever laid my judgmental eyes upon though. She might be more attractive than Sarah Huckabee Sanders, although that is a subjective decision.

  • AntiScreed||

    I guarantee most of you don't know her father was a hardcore communist.

  • Ecoli||

    So, Roseann's joke was spot on then!

  • Scoobie||

    We're protesting police brutality and not being able to take a knee is taking away our freedom of speech. We should be allowed to protest at work, without repercussions... that is, except Rosanne. LOL. Idiot left.

  • Bisley||

    I don't see the problem. She might have worded it a bit differently, but it's hard to disagree with the premise.

  • XM||

    Players standing up for the national anthem isn't meaningfully different than MLB players "being forced" to use pink bats during mother's day or wearing jerseys bearing Jackie Robinson's number. It's a gesture of respect and civility. Can you imagine the furor from the left if players refused to do this for any reason?

    Even if you believe the NFL is being arbitrary, how you compare this situation to Roseanne or James Damore? The former was fired for making racist statement, and the latter was fired for making a statement that arguably didn't violate Google policy. No NFL players were punished or fired for kneeling. The NFL decided to tackle the controversy by implementing a new policy for next season.

  • XM||

    Players standing up for the national anthem isn't meaningfully different than MLB players "being forced" to use pink bats during mother's day or wearing jerseys bearing Jackie Robinson's number. It's a gesture of respect and civility. Can you imagine the furor from the left if players refused to do this for any reason?

    Even if you believe the NFL is being arbitrary, how you compare this situation to Roseanne or James Damore? The former was fired for making racist statement, and the latter was fired for making a statement that arguably didn't violate Google policy. No NFL players were punished or fired for kneeling. The NFL decided to tackle the controversy by implementing a new policy for next season.

  • JoelWeymouth||

    1. It was not a racist remark. It was insulting, and funny. Most off color remarks are Knowing the History of Valerie Jarrett, Roseanne insulted all self respecting Apes everywhere.

    2. Valerie Jarrett is not African American, she is mixed race. To claim she is African American is racist. She is as white as she is black.

    3. The obsession with offense of "APE" toward blacks is simply lending credence to the Nazi position that blacks are MOSTLY APE. Frankly they also felt the same way about Jews and Mediterranean ethnic groups. Moral of the story to show outrage simply suggests you believe.

    4. The dismissal of men like Maher or Kimmel associating Trump with Apes because : Trump is white, is a tacit admission that Blacks are weaker, inferior, and need special protection That is racism.

    5. This constant allusion to race has not improved race relations but simply deepened them. The left suggests that supporting Trump is racism. However, under Trump, the economic condition of minorities has improved. Unemployment and wages. The protectors of all things African American are quite livid, because they have obviously failed the black community and many in the African American community are figuring it out. Notice how the left treats African Americans that are conservative. Frankly, Democrats are worse than the Klan when African Americans "don't stay in their place".

  • JoelWeymouth||

    1. It was not a racist remark. It was insulting, and funny. Most off color remarks are Knowing the History of Valerie Jarrett, Roseanne insulted all self respecting Apes everywhere.

    2. Valerie Jarrett is not African American, she is mixed race. To claim she is African American is racist. She is as white as she is black.

    3. The obsession with offense of "APE" toward blacks is simply lending credence to the Nazi position that blacks are MOSTLY APE. Frankly they also felt the same way about Jews and Mediterranean ethnic groups. Moral of the story to show outrage simply suggests you believe.

    4. The dismissal of men like Maher or Kimmel associating Trump with Apes because : Trump is white, is a tacit admission that Blacks are weaker, inferior, and need special protection That is racism.

    5. This constant allusion to race has not improved race relations but simply deepened them. The left suggests that supporting Trump is racism. However, under Trump, the economic condition of minorities has improved. Unemployment and wages. The protectors of all things African American are quite livid, because they have obviously failed the black community and many in the African American community are figuring it out. Notice how the left treats African Americans that are conservative. Frankly, Democrats are worse than the Klan when African Americans "don't stay in their place".

  • Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland||

    If Roseanne possesses any merit, Fox or Sinclair will pick it up . . . strong ratings and a platform for a boorish bigot is a perfect combo platter for a right-wing broadcaster.

  • Brough||

    Conservatives walked from the NFL hurting ratings, libs, or the left, the language police, after an apology, complained. Very different. Wrong speak, despite apology, loose your job. Stop being an NFL fan, stop being an nfl caliber q.b, and not playing, racist. Come on. Not the same.

    Shove a protest at people for a year or two, not liking politics in sports, wrong for one side. Stupid and deplorable comment, but apologize, loose job. Pathetic. Grow up people. Let people be. That's not to agree with them. Disagree with comment, hurt your own pocketbook by ending your best rated show, not the same.

    Rosanne, "can we talk? I'm sorry." You're gone.

    NFL "we all have the point of kneeling, what are you going to do about race? Where's the race conversation?

    Making your work place suffer is good for no one. Walking from your contract Kapernick was your choice. Ah, this post sucks.

    Clearly, this person talks to neither side of their own point.

  • JTT||

    I think many virtue signaled in on the Rosanne thing. Without knowing
    Roseanne's position on race and her intent in referencing, possibly
    mistakenly, a derogatory and what was historically racist comparison its
    difficult to say if she or the comment is "racist," within the general
    accepted definition of the word. Her comment was probably in poor taste
    at least. But that's comedy now.

    I think possibly Rosanne's own race and political positions made some others jump to conclusion or they relied on corporate/institutional entities/authority figures to do the heavy lifting for them. Thats a bad idea.

    It never hurts to at least try to be racially sensitive in your commentary
    but even there you should avoid a patronizing tone because of other
    associations with that condition. Blind equality is always best. See
    below :

    -Ref

    Racism :
    1 : a belief that race is the
    primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial
    differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
    2 a : a doctrine or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principles

    Patronize:
    1 : to act as patron of : provide aid or support for
    2 : to adopt an air of condescension toward : treat haughtily or coolly

  • Bjorleif||

    What a depressing lack of understanding.

    What NFL players do when we pay them to entertain - on OUR paid time -, should not be compared to what Roseanne does in HER OWN time. No-one would complain too much if a NFL player didn't stand for the flag/anthem/etc on his own time, and out of uniform.

    The wet dream of Liberals is an Orwellian state, that prosecutes wrong-think. The wet dream of Conservatives is a state where the state allows individualism where possible.

    Netflix - can you pick up Roseanne? There is lots of money to me made. :)

  • Finrod||

    Netflix is too busy throwing money at the Obamas.

  • Mock-star||

    In an all-too obvious kickback for his attempt to implement net neutrality

  • Don_in_Odessa||

    Just a speculation here but I believe the great majority of Americans don't have a racist bone in their body. Likewise, the great majority of law enforcement folks don't go around beating up on black folks. Yes like all social, cultural, racial, religious, gender, sexual, lets just make it all groups (perhaps with the exception of the news media) there are a few bad apples in every one. There always will be. They are not the problem. Yes they are a problem but not THE problem.

    As I see it, the media is to blame. The incessant, constant, reporting of anything racially or culturally insensitive. With their raising the level of any such offense to criminality even when there is none. Then when potential criminality does exist, judging and accusing before all the facts are known. This is what has brought us to the brink of racial war in this country.

    Oh that exception I mentioned above? Probably not all racists, but with the Left seeming to control the great majority of news outlets in this country and around the world for that matter, I'd say they are the true racists. And they are guilty of tearing this country apart.

  • Don_in_Odessa||

    Addition to my previous comment:

    As for the NFL, the NFL decision is a big nothing burger. Either they forbid protesting on company time and time the fans have paid for, or quit playing the national anthem altogether. Chose one of the above NFL and while you're at it get rid of the druggies, cut the damned dreadlocks, beat the crap out of the women beaters, and dog killers, call it a shower party of military discipline fame. I could go on but until they return the NFL to a higher standard, they have lost me.

  • Navy70-74||

    Conservatives crushed the NFL protest's? That statement is ignorant of the facts of what is going on in America today and looking at Starbucks or any other company run by a progressive/liberal and how they enforce their will show's what they do.
    The progressive left uses their power over people to get their way and enforce their points of view by destroying people and their lives while Conservatives don't fire people or destroy them we merely stop using or watching their products and leave them alone and allow economics to do our protesting for us.
    I have not seen the kneeling stopped at all so what is this nonsense that Conservatives crushed NFL protests?

  • ThomasD||

    Your first mistake was assuming Robbie to be making an honest argument.

    He's not.

    Articles like this are a form of misdirection. Pay no attention to the Proggressive behind the curtain.

  • RnW1015||

    I used to believe that the "news" media was a far greater threat to our country than any of our so-called "enemies", then social media came along. The garbage that people (on both "sides") are willing to believe and forward to others is beyond belief.

  • trutherator||

    Difference being that Roseanne tweeted on HER OWN TIME. The NFL players made their "statements" on time that the fans were paying for.

    The fans were making the only statement they are allowed to make. NFL players have the same platform as Hollywood stars, except their employers support them.

    Allowed is the right word. Anybody who says ABC or any of the Complicit Cabal of Operation Mockingbird Media is anything other than a Deep State Shadow Government fronts is a gullible believer in their poisonous pablum, or themselves suspiciously suspect.

    And to other comments, if Trump has so much political control, why hasn't he had his fellow Republicans blow the whistle, and who is block ing him from ordering declassification of all the documents proving that it was the explicit collusion of
    The top dogs at the FBI and DOJ, DNC, Op Mockingbird Media, and the Clinton Campaign getting help from their own British and Russian foreign allies, in what is coming into ever more focus to look like an operation to both tilt the election, and now, set up a coup against not Trump, but a COUP against the American ELECTORATE.

  • trutherator||

    Difference being that Roseanne tweeted on HER OWN TIME. The NFL players made their "statements" on time that the fans were paying for.

    The fans were making the only statement they are allowed to make. NFL players have the same platform as Hollywood stars, except their employers support them.

    Allowed is the right word. Anybody who says ABC or any of the Complicit Cabal of Operation Mockingbird Media is anything other than a Deep State Shadow Government fronts is a gullible believer in their poisonous pablum, or themselves suspiciously suspect.

    And to other comments, if Trump has so much political control, why hasn't he had his fellow Republicans blow the whistle, and who is block ing him from ordering declassification of all the documents proving that it was the explicit collusion of
    The top dogs at the FBI and DOJ, DNC, Op Mockingbird Media, and the Clinton Campaign getting help from their own British and Russian foreign allies, in what is coming into ever more focus to look like an operation to both tilt the election, and now, set up a coup against not Trump, but a COUP against the American ELECTORATE.

  • ThomasD||

    "Own time" is not something celebrities have. That is the nature of celebrity. Like it or not you become a 24/7 representative of your brand.

    I do think that Barr probably turned off a number of prior fans with that tweet. Whether it was enough to cause actual ratings harm to the show will never be known. ABC/Disney chose to signal their chosen moral virtue over any other consideration. That Keith Olbermann is heading back to ESPN (also Disney) tells you that only certain forms of crassly offensive political commentary will get you axed, while (preferred) others will not.

    ABC/ESPN/Disney apparently does not fear those financial consequences.

    The NFL players could have publicly disrespected the flag/anthem outside of game time and it might have been ignored by the public. I suspect, had that happened, the NFL would have waited, and if it blew over they would have done nothing.

  • StandingO||

    It is absurd and offensive to juxtapose this "Roseanne" business with the issue of disrespect to the U.S. flag and National Anthem. The American flag and National Anthem are symbols of the liberty all citizens enjoy under the Constitution. The brief moments we set aside at public events for the purpose of honoring the flag and the anthem are simply affirmations of that liberty and everything it encompasses--including all points of view. Anyone who refuses to respect the flag and the National Anthem has no respect for his/her own liberty, much less for yours or mine. There may be a time and place for expressing just about any idea or opinion, but the time and place where we stand to mutually affirm our commitment to protecting every citizen's liberty is not it.

  • StandingO||

    It is absurd and offensive to juxtapose this "Rosanne" business with the issue of disrespect to the U.S. flag and National Anthem. The American flag and National Anthem are symbols of the liberty all citizens enjoy under the Constitution. The brief moments we set aside at public events for the purpose of honoring the flag and the anthem are simply affirmations of that liberty and everything it encompasses--including all points of view. Anyone who refuses to respect the flag and the National Anthem has no respect for his/her own liberty, much less for yours or mine. There may be a time and place for expressing just about any idea or opinion, but the time and place where we stand to mutually affirm our commitment to protecting every citizen's liberty is not it.

  • Boston_Patriot||

    When government is given the power to control the life and property of the individual, society necessarily splinters into warring tribes. Only under a system of liberty and absolute individual rights is peace amongst men possible.

  • Penguiniman||

    The difference between the two is that the NFL players are bringing their protest into my living room. They have a right to be on the street, or in front of city hall, but not in my home; if they are going to do this, I will not watch. There's no need for an organized boycott, just individuals choosing to opt out of the nonsense.

  • Par Golfer||

    I always thought that the liberal left, homosexuals, people who don't know which bathroom to use - believed in evolution where everyone of them came from apes? So does this mean they don't believe in science anymore?

  • Brett Bellmore||

    You're really having that much trouble distinguishing between punishing people for acting up while on the clock, and for what they say on their own time?

  • Rhadagastt||

    This is a moderately well-written article, right up to where it tries to make a comparison between actively demanding someone be fired and passively refusing to watch a game. To put the stupidity of this comparison in context: if, as the writer alleges, these two actions are morally comparable, then it means we as fans have some AFFIRMATIVE moral obligation to tune into football games so the players can continue to receive a paycheck. After all, we as human beings do have a moral obligation to NOT actively interfere with someone's livelihood without an extremely compelling reason. To actively demand that someone be fired from their job is a very serious matter. I would submit that passively refusing to watch a football game is not the same thing. If they are the same thing, then every time you don't tune into a show on TV, you are engaging in behavior that is the moral equivalent of demanding the actors on that show be fired. Yeah, I'm not buying it. Try again Robby Soave.

  • ThomasD||

    You clearly expect too much from Rico. What in his past work has ever given you the impression he cares about such considerations?

  • Elle2018||

    This is pure bull. The NFL has had a policy in their game operations manual since BEFORE the 2016 protests stating that players need to be standing, facing the flag, and quiet during the national anthem else they could be fined, suspended, or their team could lose draft picks.

    Conservatives didn't "crush protests" - stop trying to make parallels to lessen the censorship blow coming from the left.

  • VinniUSMC||

    Let's play "Spot the false equivalence".

    I'll take 'Fired for speech outside of work, vs fines for speech at work" for 200.

  • Last Gentleman||

    Comparing the NFL protests with Roseanne is not a parallel comparison.

    When liberals complained about Roseanne, they were not complaining about what she said in one of her shows which people are indirectly paying to see, but what she said in her free time. When conservatives complain about NFL players not standing for the anthem, it is because those players are protesting during their work time, in front of fans who are paying to see them for something other than political protesting.

    A similar comparison would have been if during one of the shows Roseanne's character made the Valerie Jarrett comment.

    As a conservative, while I disagree with the NFL protesters points of view, I have little problem with them voicing their opinion on Twitter. I do have a big problem paying good money to see them flaunt that view in my face, when all I am paying for is football.

  • Noble Publius||

    I don't think it's reasonable (haha, get it?) to compare peacefully protesting police brutality during the national anthem to likening a prominent black person to monkeys and terrorists.

  • Elle2018||

    Those are not the two things being compared. As stated, yes, you are correct. However, the NFL players are at work and disregarding pre-existing NFL policy and expecting to get no backlash. Would ANYBODY protesting ANYTHING during business hours AT their job be tolerated? No. There's a time, a place, and your own personal platform for that.

    Rosanne said something that clearly upsets many people. But she said it on her own personal time and platform. You don't have to agree with it to see the tragedy here. No matter what she said, people like you - those looking to censor free speech because they disagree with it - are trying to make the narrative: "why are you defending hurtful comments?"

    No one, whether they agree with Rosanne or not, thinks what she did was tactful. No one wants to be in a position to defend the actual statement. The point, Noble Publius, is that if as a nation we will accept freedom to express similarly derogatory comments from one political point of view, we must accept them from all the others - even those we disagree with. If as a nation we'd prefer (which I don't believe we do) full-censorship, then there's a lot of scouring to do across the media platforms, networks, and Hollywood.

  • mttiro67||

    It's "Adolf" Hitler, not "Adolph." And "conservatives are already coming for people's livelihoods"? Are you kidding? The left has been doing that for 100 years. Wake up.

  • Still Confused||

    I really need to understand what is racist about "Planet of the Apes". I thought the whole "human race" came from our Planet of the Apes forefathers. Isn't that what we've been taught since Nov 24, 1859?

    Oh, yeah. I forgot. Darwin's "Origin of Species" title was longer than is currently referenced. It did include "...The Preservation of 'Favoured Races' in the Struggle for Life."

    Maybe that's what everyone is making a fuss over. Although Darwin never defines who the 'Favoured Races' are, Valerie Jarrett thinks he wasn't talking about her.

    But that doesn't make Roseanne racist, unless she agrees with Valerie-- that Darwin MUST CERTAINLY have been talking about Valerie.

  • Brett Bellmore||

    Technically, humans and the apes share common ancestors, neither of us descended from the other.

  • Fitter||

    There is a very big difference.

    No NFL players were deprived of a living, as was Roseanne and others employed by the show. Also, conservatives and others could give a damn if the NFL players wanted to make a political statement. However they wanted those statements to be made 'off' the field of play. They didn't believe they should 'pay their money' to have to participate in these statement/protests. Snowflake liberals however want to be their way or the highway, and you to be squashed by a truck, if you dare to say or think anything they don't agree with.

  • I can't even||

    It was a vile thing to say

    Really? I thought it was pretty funny. I guess I need more lectures and hectoring from PC police like Robby. I wasn't aware that Persians were a protected species.

  • Iheartskeet||

    I think her statement is about on par (or perhaps a half-step further) with what one hears at a Jeff Ross Celebrity Roast. In other words, its viciously mean, beyond any norms of social interaction, and funnier than people want to admit. And a joke.

    I'm glad so many are calling bullshit on Reason's moral equivalency take on this relative to the NFL protests. Reason, you've become oh-so predictable, and not in a good way.

    I'm not a Roseanne fan, and did not care for the show, but for god sakes, she isn't a racist. She's just another artist dimwit who said something stupid, and apologized profusely and immediately. I felt the same way about Kathy Griffin, who clearly wasn't calling for Trump's death, just made a ghastly error in judgement. She initially apologized too.

    For both, the lack of acceptance of their (I think sincere) apologies isn't good. We just put ourselves on a tack of bitter resentment over fluff. I see Kathy Griffin has now come full circle conspiracy-theory mongering.

    I can think of quite a few who are sincere racists and worse, who wrap their words in sophisticated word salads, and thereby go on with barely an eyebrow raised. This is about the wrong people.

  • Iheartskeet||

    I think her statement is about on par (or perhaps a half-step further) with what one hears at a Jeff Ross Celebrity Roast. In other words, its viciously mean, beyond any norms of social interaction, and funnier than people want to admit. And a joke.

    I'm glad so many are calling bullshit on Reason's moral equivalency take on this relative to the NFL protests. Reason, you've become oh-so predictable, and not in a good way.

    I'm not a Roseanne fan, and did not care for the show, but for god sakes, she isn't a racist. She's just another artist dimwit who said something stupid, and apologized profusely and immediately. I felt the same way about Kathy Griffin, who clearly wasn't calling for Trump's death, just made a ghastly error in judgement. She initially apologized too.

    For both, the lack of acceptance of their (I think sincere) apologies isn't good. We just put ourselves on a tack of bitter resentment over fluff. I see Kathy Griffin has now come full circle conspiracy-theory mongering.

    I can think of quite a few who are sincere racists and worse, who wrap their words in sophisticated word salads, and thereby go on with barely an eyebrow raised. This is about the wrong people.

  • I can't even||

    It was a vile thing to say

    Really? I thought it was pretty funny. I guess I need more lectures and hectoring from PC police like Robby. I wasn't aware that Persians were a protected species.

  • lap83||

    I didn't even know Valerie Jarrett was part African American until this incident. It's possible Roseanne didn't know either. Since we are living in a time when it's common to be unable to tell someone's ethnicity by looking at them, you would think we would cut everyone a bit more slack. But no. So you can be racist on accident.

  • MikeP2||

    No, neither did I until I looked up her on Wikipedia. I new she was born in Iran, but assumed she was part Persian.

    The initial racism charge confused me, but these days eating cereal the wrong way is enough to be called a racist.

  • TxJack 112||

    Actually, Rosanne being cancelled only further demonstrates that the new NFL rules are legitimate. ABC was Roseanne's employer. She acted in a manner that embarrassed them and she was fired for it. Likewise, NFL players kneeling during the anthem embarrasses their employers (NFL Teams) and therefore they have the right to discipline them as well. The vast difference in the response to both issues is a clear example of the dualistic bias on the left. The players must be allowed to protest because theirs is a progressive protests against police and injustice but Barr must be immediately silenced for having acceptable views. I think ABC was right to cancel the show because what she said was over the top but I also think the NFL and Team owners have the right to dictate how their employees (players) will behave on and off the field.

  • MikeP2||

    "Liberals Killed Roseanne. Conservatives Crushed the NFL Protests."

    that's a silly false comparison.

    If conservatives 'crushed' the NFL protests, then the parallel 'liberal' ABC response to Roseanne would be to contractually ban her from social media. Cancelling the show would be on par with kicking the 49ers out of the NFL.

    And to be even more accurate, the NFL protests were not squashed in any way for over a year. It wasn't until attendance at stadiums around the country....particularly those teams most involved in the protests...was hitting the clubs in the bottom line and they made a business decision to enforce their contracts with the clubs/players.
    ABC didn't wait to kill Roseanne after loss of revenue. It was pre-emptive to avoid the Starbucks treatment.

    Conservatives vote with their wallets, but typically do not attack the institutions directly. Progs attack the institutions and try to force others to vote with their wallets.

  • Flinch||

    Nobody in entertainment would sign onto a full blackout of any media style, but I could see an ongoing project [such as a sitcom] demand that media releases get coordinated because there's so many people involved that might be damaged. In todays age of instant everything, that would require a responsible party be available 24/7 because you never know when a topic goes viral. Anyway... I don't see Planet of the Apes as racist: it was entertainment for stoners in its day, designed to poke a little fun at humanity itself using caricatures instead of regular characters. The movie was so dumb that 2 or 3 bongloads were nearly mandatory prior to viewing. The fact Rosanne said something stupid was eclipsed by the phalanx of virtue signalers just waiting to be offended so they could signal each other - they won, she lost because the head of Disney is a jellyfish who knee jerked instead of looking at the business end of the work product. When passive/agressive types get combined into a [prog] herd mentality, the result is a rather dangerous creature. Rosanne doesn't appear to grasp that, or her filter is broken. But since she brought up PotA... I'm guessing she still burns one from time to time?

  • Weigel's Cock Ring||

    It is a silly comparison when you consider that in the NFL, it was the actual customers and consumers of the product who were complaining. The people who demanded Roseanne's head on a spike don't even watch her fucking show.

    Having said that, of course ABC is well within their rights to do what they did. Nobody has total unfettered free speech when it comes to employment.

  • TedSeay||

    "Coming for people's livelihoods"?

    Only people stupid enough to assert First Amendment rights over a private employer just because they're on TV.

    Moral: Don't f**k with football, the fan base won't stand for it.

    (See what I did there?)

  • Flinch||

    I'm not sure I care. Rosanne has always been a nasty woman, and for that reason I'm not going to delve into whether she is a racist or not. As for the NFL... Goodell is a ponce, and is destroying the league with the owners blessings.

  • Socialmisfit||

    The big glaring difference between the NFL example and the Barr example is that no NFL employee was fired. No NFL player even got fined. That is the big difference here. Most conservatives would not welcome any NFL player being fired for misplaced activism or Tweets. But the left is a mob that is gleeful when they can destroy anyone having a different political opinion in a form of social media-fired lynching. Barr is a comedian with a brand for saying provokative and outrageous things. It would have been more reasonable to compare this to Michelle Wolf's nasty comments about Sarah Sanders... or Joan Behr's nasty comments about the Vice President. Reason Mag should recognize this profound difference instead of attempting this false equivalency meme that both sides of politics are equal.

  • New Cassandra||

    Coming soon to Fox. The next season of Roseanne.

  • Tony||

    The actual show is way too progressive for the Trumptards who think it's on their team.

  • Weigel's Cock Ring||

    Man, that was some truly epic, world class virtue signaling by Rico.

    Reason's oh-so-principled view: professional athletes who won't be allowed to openly give the middle finger to the country that made them beyond most people's wildest dreams are noble heroes who are getting screwed, but Roseanne is a deplorable whose termination only matters because of the potential culture war political metagame implications.

  • tlapp||

    I had a completely different take. Everyone is free to make the offensive comments of Roseanne or the disrespecting of the flag as NFL players. When it offends customers and harms the business the employer has the freedom to say you are fired.
    Seems the only issue is those wanting their freedom and no responsibility for the consequences.

  • granite state destroyer||

    Exactly. The outrage about the outrage from the other side is becoming outrageous, or something like that.

  • Eman||

    One day politics will be the only thing to talk about other than the weather.

  • Finrod||

    Too late. They already politicized the weather 20 years ago.

  • Kevin Tyssen||

    While there were people on the right calling for the kneeling players to be fined, fired, or worse, none of them actually *did* get fired. So Roseanne (and her castmates) definitely got the short end of this stick

  • granite state destroyer||

    Liberals didn't kill Roseanne, the advertisers did. This is how markets are supposed to work. If the advertisers think a show or performer is alienating their customers they have every right to pull their sponsorship. I am sure the execs at ABC don't care about Roseane's Political views, they are worried she is a loose cannon costing them money.

  • ekurie||

    Roseanne blamed it on crazy caused by taking ambien. I believe her. My dad would become unrecognizable when he took it. So maybe it doesn't provoke racism but it makes people say weird stuff.

  • EugenePatrickDevany@gmail||

    References to the Planet of the Apes and to the Muslim Brotherhood were not racist at all. Both references are about political power run amok - exactly what VJ did approving warrants to tap Trump's wires. In the Planet of the Apes, human space explorers crash on an unknown planet run by intelligent apes who evolved. In the last scene, the Statue of Liberty is shown revealing that the space explorers are actually back on earth and humans have blown the place up. A similar lesson is seen in the reference to the Muslim Brotherhood - a group elected to power in Egypt that quickly set progress and tolerance back.
    The suggestion that VJ is a child of reactionary politics is great sarcasm easily missed by the ignorant at ABC and those who intentionally want to spotlight victims of an association between black humans and apes for political reasons.
    Roseanne should have kept the tweet posted and gone down fighting. Apparently, she is more human and vulnerable than her tweets and one-liners suggest. President Trump has no racial hatred, no control over Roseanne, and has done more to help minorities and women than any president in the last nine years. Of course, if you are stupid enough to think Roseanne is a racist you are likely going to vote for the Democrats who have already convinced you that it is OK to abort your babies.

  • The Pessimistic Shrink||

    You got it right: ". . . then Roseanne should never have been rebooted in the first place."

  • RodgerMitchell||

    Is Robby Soave saying that everything anyone says is O.K.?

    Is he saying, for instance, that an ABC newscaster should not be fired for referring to someone as a dirty, stinking, n*gger, J*w b*stard, k*ke? Is that too far? If so, what is too far, Robbie? Where do you draw the line?

    If it's not too far, heaven help us.

  • John B. Egan||

    Interesting how Reason conflates a company's right to terminate someone in the public eye who issues constant racist and inflammatory statements and receives a deserved backlash ... with the crushing NFL's acquiescence to Trump's demand that Blacks should not be allowed to act on their Constitutional right to not stand for the anthem in honor of those who have suffered as a result of our racist history. MAGA! What an amazing display of pretzel logic! Reason has outdone itself again!

    So far I'm very underwhelmed at the quality of writing and intellectualism on this 'rag'.

  • VinniUSMC||

    So, companies only have rights when you agree with them? Talk about pretzel logic.

  • Taito7||

    This is ridiculous. Liberals didn't come for Roseanne, this was career suicide. There has been no point in the last 30 years in which calling black people monkeys or African Americans terrorists was socially acceptable for a Disney owned company. She's been a conspiracy theorist forever. She also said PizzaGate was real and Israel was a "Nazi State". She was just saying things that could get her fired or committed, until they got her fired. Having a shitty red hat on isn't what got her fired.

  • David B.||

    She's a comedian. They have been known to be irreverent... unless you are under 21 and know nothing about comedy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Murphy_Raw

    I could give you 100 examples. Just stop being a pussy.

  • Poor and Pissed||

    If she's a comedian, how come nobody's laughing?

  • Emotional Opposition Animal||

    Was it acceptable for Disney to do that in 1988?

  • David B.||

    I wouldn't expect anybody here at Reason to understand sports. It isn't scripted and it is supposed to be apolitical.... the rules applied evenly and the better team wins, ideally.

    A scripted TV show is very different. You can knock the "conservative" angle from those service members and service members family who endured loved ones maiming and death. ....but most of the media is slanted in a leftist/group think manner. We have to draw the line somewhere.

  • drisco304||

    ABC doesn't capitulate to political-correctness-run-amok. It initiates and enforces political-correctness-run-amok.

  • CoachBeef||

    The difference between Roseanne and the NFL is that the NFL was losing viewers, Roseanne was unlikely to lose viewers, only sponsors [by fake online mobs swarming sponsors].
    this is a big difference. it means people KNOW a REAL racist tweet when they see it, and this wasnt it. Roseanne made a big mistake by apologizing and saying it was unforgivable. WRONG. she essentially said Jarrett is ugly, which she is. Butt-ugly as a rhino's asshole, which i'd rather fuck than her. But it's unlikely Roseanne even knew Jarrett had African blood. she wasnt saying all ppl of african heritage are ugly, clearly they are not. all she had to do was clarify that and tell each and every racist-accuser to go fuck themselves with a jackhammer. but no, she fucked up and surrendered to the mob, who economically lynched her.

    NEVER apologize to an SJW mob. ALWAYS toss their accusations back on them as racist for IMPLYING or MINDREADING your "racism" as pure projection...."so YOU think all Africans are ugly bc i said ONE is? who's fuckin racist problem is that, klan-bitch?"

    then vote with your remote: FUCK ABC.

  • ranrod||

    NFL stadiums have received an estimated $6.7 billion from taxpayers - ProFootballTalk

    http://profootballtalk.nbcspor.....taxpayers/

  • ranrod||

    NFL teams can legally fire players for their conduct..
    The First Amendment does not protect National Football League players from being fired.
    The Constitution's freedom of expression applies only to government action, not private businesses.

    The First Amendment states, "Congress shall make no law…abridging the freedom of speech." It says nothing about private action or reaction. Thus, it is a public misconception that free speech or expression extends to the workplace. It does not!
    The Player Contract
    But beyond the Constitution, contract law allows any NFL team to terminate any player for behavior it deems to be injurious to the organization or the league.
    Every professional player must sign the standard NFL player contract. In it, the player promises as follows:
    Owners, The Commissioner, Players
    Don't expect NFL owners to do the right thing by firing players. They've been coddling them for years, paying lavish salaries and tolerating misbehavior that is now endemic in football. Along the way, owners have become rich beyond imagination. The players run the teams, not the owners.
    Disrespecting the flag is the equivalent of desecrating it. We should all be offended, regardless of our differences.
    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion.....nduct.html

  • Tony||

    Wearing the flag as clothing is a no-no, so that's like most of Trump supporters, just so you know.

    And he wasn't even protesting the flag or the anthem.

  • ranrod||

    dont get me started on what he is or isnt...

    and i am not a Trump supporter

  • Emotional Opposition Animal||

    That section of the flag code refers to wearing an actual flag as if it were clothing. Not wearing clothing that has a depiction of the flag. If that were so, then cops and military personnel would be breaking the law by having flag patches.

    Whereas the kneelers are very intentionally disrespecting the anthem and the flag. That is the whole flipping point of what they're doing.

  • ranrod||

    They Can Dish It Out But They Refuse To Take It..
    I will never forget Islamic quarterback Colin Kaepernick did a press conference with a Castro shirt on while wearing socks depicting police officers as pigs. That is heralded in leftist circles as "freedom of Speech" to kneel or turn one's back on the American flag in protest of "inequality." Only brainwashed Alinsky inspired rich dolts could be warped enough to feel unequal. Another glaring sad development in this sordid affair is that most NFL players and commissioner Goodell are products of a destructive government school system that indoctrinates rather than teaches American students. They have for decades been presented only negative distortions and flat out lies about our republic turned mob rule democracy.

  • ranrod||

    Many NFL and NBA players have complained about oppression in America, but I have yet to hear or read about any of those hypocrites expressing concern about the real oppression of black Christians who are regularly slaughtered, enslaved, raped and tortured by Islamic brutes in other parts of the world today. It was not many years ago that RG Three was forced to turn his shirt with a Christian message inside out, because it did not meet "NFL policy."
    https://newswithviews.com/ they-can-dish-it-out-but-they-refuse-to-take-it/

  • ranrod||

    End the NFL
    The entire NFL is an illegal trust. It's a monopoly that was illegally legalized by Congress.
    ESPN is bleeding subscribers. The NFL's anti-American turn is alienating fans. And cable is collapsing.
    NFL teams loot millions from taxpayers to fund their stadiums. The Seahawks have a point about injustice. And the injustice is that taxpayers had to spend $390 million on their stadium.
    Who will let Washington taxpayers take a knee and opt out of being exploited by the Seahawks?
    Sweetheart deals like these are not uncommon. The NFL comes with a pass on property taxes (those are for little people) and taxes in general. Until 2015, the NFL was a non-profit. "Professional football leagues" was actually inserted into the Internal Revenue Code to provide a special non-profit status. NFL commissioner Roger Goodell got paid $44 million in one year. That made him the highest paid non-profit exec in the country.

  • ranrod||

    That monopoly allows the NFL and its teams to cash in on television licensing and team gear. After the NFL uses its illegal monopoly to rip off broadcasters, ESPN rips off cable subscribers.
    ESPN pays the NFL almost $2 billion a year. Even if you don't watch ESPN, you're paying $9 a month for it because of yet another illegal monopoly. If you subscribe to cable or live in a major city, the odds are good that your pocket is being picked by the millionaire racists "taking a knee" against America.
    But the monopolies are dying.
    Anthem bashing is popular with the left. And it's very popular with the social justice bloggers who increasingly dominate sports journalism, and not just on ESPN. Hating America will score points with the left.
    But the NFL is no longer just a corrupt monopoly. Instead it's becoming a radical anti-American organization that uses its taxpayer-subsidized stadiums and monopoly broadcasting rights to spread hatred toward this country and disrespect to the soldiers who fought and died for it.
    Break up the corrupt Democrat monopoly of the NFL and demolish the barriers to the formation of independent leagues by taking on the NFL, ESPN and its broadcasting partners in crime.
    https://pamelageller.com/2017/10/end-the-nfl.html/

  • mswen||

    Thought-provoking article about how both the left and right are looking for reasons to be offended and squash free speech triggers a flame war in the comment section. Everyone gets an A+ for Reading Comprehension.

  • NotAnotherSkippy||

    Typical pablum "pox on both your houses" article is posted with attendant false equivalence and moral preening. Really, the NFL's actions must have been a huge relief for Robby because the narrative was getting awfully thin.

    You get an A++good for being the white knight.

  • Cepera||

    "Colored people don't like Little Black Sambo. Burn it. White people don't feel good about Uncle Tom's Cabin. Burn it." (Captain Beatty in Fahrenheit 451)

  • Gordon Y||

    NFL players can protest all they want, on their "own" time. Roseanne, "The Idiot", made her statement on her "own" time.

  • Rockabilly||

    fuck em all

  • Bill Goode||

    Yep.

  • smitsc05||

    Welcome to the borification of America - one good thing is that it is muting entertainment and branding from disproportionately influencing all of us - we might need to actually seek-out truth rather than have fake truth shoveled at us by corporate shills pretending to care about us or the environment around us.

  • spec24||

    Wait? What the fuck was racist? It's true, and it's funny. How did race get dragged in? Muslims aren't a race, and neither are apes. Is it just that she's not "white" so no one can ever say anything off-color about anyone unless they're white?

  • Whorton||

    Given that she did not air her view on ABC's forum, this should be much ado about nothing. However, I didn't watch ABC before, and certainly won't bother them with my viewership. I did watch two episodes of the show and found it enjoyable.

    Her comment about Valerie Jarrett was actually right on.. That woman is "more machine now than man, twisted and evil". .

    Oh no, wait, that was Darth Vader. My apologies to the late lord Vader.

  • Emotional Opposition Animal||

    I consider Valerie Jarrett to be a fetid scumbag of a person, but commenting on her looks was inappropriate. If you want to attack her there is plenty of material without going there.

  • Poor and Pissed||

    Why is it always assumed that it is liberals that are overly PC, and Conservatives are for free speech without limits? We hear daily insults from our leaders regarding race, gender, religion, guns, etc. that are highly offensive to most decent people. By splitting issues into the usual Libs versus Cons you denigrate simple decency. As my mother said, "if you can't say something nice, don't say it." Too much of what we purport to be free speech is really just mean spirited and without moral merit. Rather than slinging insults, it'd be nice to actually engage in "reason"-able discussion over issues that impact all of us. People like Roseanne don't elevate the debate, the sabotage it. The football player protest should spark a discussion of how blacks are treated by police in America. Instead, we label them as un-Patriotic. We have to recognize when an action is about engaging the public and when it's merely to inflame. Roseanne was a hot burning torch that burned itself out. The football player protest was a symbolic action to put focus on a burning issue. Two couldn't be more different.

  • Mesoman||

    Too bad the author doesn't understand the difference. People offended by the disrespect to our nation chose to not continue to be offended - i.e. stopped watching. Liberals offended by a single tweet by a start chose to not let anyone watch the star, in fact, even sending reruns down the rabbit hole!

    I.e. Conservatives (and others offended) did the Libertarian thing - stopped consuming. Liberals did the totalitarian thing - denying others a choice.

  • Lester224||

    You missed the part about what the NFL did apart from any viewers.

  • Bowfish||

    I don't see that Barr and the NFL represent an equivalence, one representing the Left and the other the Right. I see a larger common denominator. Barr has always said nutty and/or controversial things that were never really about bringing people together (her show is different). The real offense this time is that she said it about the wrong group. Leftists in show business still have their jobs being offensive and racist.

    The NFL anthem boycotts are a new development utilizing imagery that once used to unite the country but that Leftists intend to use to effect policy change, ostensibly about system wide police brutality against blacks, whose crime rates are falsely presented as being no worse than all other ethnic groups.

    This is the double standard.

  • tombstone||

    I am a conservative. Television has bored me senseless for quite some time now, so let's just say I haven't watched a single episode of Roseanne. As for the NFL, I am retired USN, and I have been to war, and lost family and friends to war. If NFL players can't stand respectfully for the National Anthem without being coerced, fine. Let them kneel. I don't have to watch the game. I can't force anyone to respect the flag, and nobody can force me to watch their game. If a player is only going to stand for the Anthem just to avoid being fined, then I know just where their heart is. I really don't care who watches football. I don't. The game is meaningless to me.

  • Marc St. Stephen||

    Aside from the knee-jerk reaction to cancel "Roseanne" the reboot based on her comments, here's what really disturbs me: Hulu (I think it's hulu) simultaneously pulled all old "Roseanne" episodes off of it's site. It's like the entertainment industry, or a part of it, is trying to erase "Roseanne" completely - past and present - because of a stupid and offensive comment. This kind of smacks of the endless revision of recorded and reported History and Current Events seen in the book "1984", no?

  • No Yards Penalty||

    This must have linked on Brietard. Lots of butt-hurt Contards nobody has ever seen around here shedding snowflakey tears about how Teh Blacks in the NFL got all up in their fat, pasty faces on Sunday afternoons.
    Roseanne is a loud-mouthed, racist, fat pig who got exactly what she deserved - shit-canned.

  • Jamespwpds||

    Football and Roseanne—two totally different situations. People turn on TV to watch football, and the players want to protest. Fans are paying to attend or watch a game. Roseanne "protested" on her own time.
    Authors supposition is nonsensical.

  • JunkScienceIsJunk||

    It makes perfect sense when you're examining the political influence that went into these decisions. The decisions weren't made in a vacuum. The President of the United States outwardly threatened the NFL (directly and indirectly) by threatening tax breaks given to the NFL a mere days after his public twitter war about the anthem. The NFL gets a lot of favors from the government, and it's not unreasonable for NFL leadership to be worried that the US government could take away some of those favors. We, as libertarians, have been complaining for years about federal control of the states circumventing the 9th amendment using the exact same tactic, so it's not without precedent.

    It also makes perfect sense when you examine the underlying issue of political correctness. You can certainly make the case that the NFL made a wise business decision by succumbing to the demands of the fans; but you can make the very same case about ABC. The business decisions in both cases were about appealing to fans who were making moral decisions about the character they were watching. A player kneeling before the game started didn't impact the product (his performance in the football game) just like Roseanne's tweets didn't impact the product (her acting and writing). The underlying cause of the outrage -- in both cases -- is busybodyism and a lack of tolerance to opposing viewpoints. It's NOT that the actions by either of them impacted the product.

  • yawbus||

    ABC had every right to fire Roseanne. I hope TBS follow suit with Samantha Bee after her calling Ivanka Trump a "feckless c*nt." I won't be holding my breath, though.

  • The_Hoser||

    We should trust Samantha's word on c*nts - she sees one every morning in the mirror.

  • Lester224||

    Private company. Employer gets to decide.

  • bernardpalmer||

    "How does the Primary Fundamental Right deal with pornography?
    The Primary Fundamental Right makes no distinction about what you can put in or take out from your own body. What you do to your body is your business only. Again; only you own your body therefore only you can decide what you can see, hear, ingest, say, write or remove from that body. Under the Primary Fundamental Right all censorship is illegal including the prohibition against racial, religious, political, scientific, gender or sexual vilification. The right to vilify is a fundamental freedom and its loss a red alert indicator of approaching Totalitarianism. Defamation redress should still exist. "

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