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Rand Paul Blames Criticisms of Diplomacy on 'Trump Derangement Syndrome'

Paul defends Trump's conversation with Russian leader Vladimir Putin in the name of diplomacy.

In the wake of Donald Trump's meeting with Russian leader Vladimir Putin, Sen. Rand Paul (R–Ky.) has accused the summit's critics of "Trump Derangement Syndrome."

The comment came during a Monday appearance with PBS' NewsHour. Earlier in the interview, Paul argued that having a conversation, "even with our adversaries," is beneficial for addressing the countries' mutual interests. "It would be nice to have help from Russia on North Korea as far as denuclearization," he told Judy Woodruff. "We have the Ukraine situation. So...I think that we won't have any progress if we don't have any conversations."

Later, Paul addressed the meeting's critics:

I think Trump is different, and he's willing to meet with foreign leaders and, actually, I think you may get a breakthrough because of the meetings. And I think, if this were anybody else, if there weren't such acute hatred for Trump, such Trump Derangement Syndrome on the left, I think, if this were President Obama—and it could have actually been President Obama early in the first term, when they were trying to reset our relations with Russia, that could have easily had a meeting like this—and the left and the media would have had a lovefest over President Obama.

Paul also published a defense of the president's meeting in Politico, writing: "Politicizing international affairs is a dangerous game, but that hasn't stopped far too many in Washington, who seem to have forgotten that a vital part of keeping America safe and secure is avoiding war through strong and consistent diplomacy, from playing politics."

Trump tweeted a word of thanks to Paul on Tuesday morning after the senator made similar comments on CBS' This Morning.

Earlier this week, Paul sparked a bit of outrage when Trump critics focused on a line from his Sunday interview with CNN's Jake Tapper. Paul observed that the U.S., like Russia, has meddled in foreign elections, saying, "We all do it." Though Paul made the statement in the midst of calling for stronger protections for the American electoral process, like Mother Jones' David Corn called Paul a traitor.

Bonus link: Katherine Mangu-Ward, Peter Suderman, Nick Gillespie, and Matt Welch discuss Rand Paul's Sunday comments on the Reason Podcast.

Photo Credit: |||Screenshot via YouTube/PBS NewsHour

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  • colorblindkid||

    He's still his father's son, after all.

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    What is that supposed to mean? That he holds the same views as his father? Do you realize how profoundly anti-individualist that sentiment is? No son is exactly like his father, and that is not a desirable trait. If that were the case, there would be no progress to the human race. Rand is his own man.

  • MoreFreedom||

    Seems reasonable to Russia would allow us to question the Russian military officials, in return for questioning an Obama official about a former Russian who was convicted in a Russian court. What's the problem with questioning someone, it only reveals information? It doesn't put anyone in jail, except potentially in their own country. If the US ambassador to Russia laundered $400 million of Bowder's money shouldn't the US and its citizens know that? Isn't that better than never having a trial regarding Russian election interference, and won't it let the US establishment show the evidence that Russian interfered in the election?

    Seems the real objection is former Obama administration officials answering questions.

  • markuzick||

    Chipper: It means his father had a good influence on him. Stop these foolish straw man arguments!

  • Mcgoo95||

    So the Hihndenberg doesn't like Rand Paul?

  • Procyon Rotor||

    Hihn has Paul Derangement Syndrome for both Ron and Rand. Hey, entertain us again, Hihn. Why is Ron Paul a fascist?

  • Procyon Rotor||

    Nothing else except, thank you. That was exactly what I was looking for.

  • Enemy of the State||

    Unhihnged as loony as ever, no matter which hole he pops out of...

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Can't we accept that TDS is actually affecting a significant number and that the president is making some very questionable diplomatic gestures?

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Last time I made a diplomatic gesture, she turned around and slapped me.

  • Scarecrow Repair & Chippering||

    What button, exactly, at that point in time, were you trying to reset?

  • Mickey Rat||

    Probably was mashing all of her buttons.

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    You are not supposed to taunt the monkeys at the zoo.

  • Mcgoo95||

    I hate to agree with you, but you're correct.

  • JTNash||

    I wholeheartedly agree… It is possible to recognize both his misjudgment and the over-the-top response from his critics on the left. … I hear this from both sides all the time. Many of his supporters will support him no matter how foolish he may be, and the other side is unwilling to acknowledge any good thing he may do. It's very frustrating. This happened with Obama, as well.

  • vek||

    It's really about keeping the praise/hate proportional.

    IMO Obama did essentially nothing that was good the entire time he was in office. His biggest thing was fucking up our health care system even worse. AWESOME JOB DUDE!

    But he also didn't really do anything besides that that was TOO outside the norm of fucking things up. Sure he started a few small wars. That, unfortunately, has become par for the course. Then he just generally screwed up the economy in a bunch of minor ways.

    But he wasn't Stalin which is the way many were screeching about his endless small bad choices.

    Trump, on the other hand has done mostly good things. None of them have been YUGE yet, not even the tax bill really. But he's made a lot of small improvements. He has also made some small screw ups, usually when he words something stupid.

    But again the screeching like he's Hitler is our of proportion.

    Obama was a small and stupid stream of mostly all bad, Trump is a small stream of mostly good, with some bad. Neither was Stalin/Hitler.

  • BYODB||

    So, that means that Paul reads the Reason comments?


    Does this explain Fist?


    Or did we steal it from somewhere else?


    Inquiring minds...don't really care I guess.


    /The Judge

  • perlchpr||

    FIST IS ACTUALLY RAND PAUL!

  • NoVaNick||

    It is interesting (or scary) to see the dems go back to their pre-1970s hard line against Soviets er I mean Russians...

  • TrickyVic (old school)||

    Some one should tell them that Russia was once the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and they should embrace their fellow socialists.

  • I can't even||

    I think they are pissed at the Ruskies for giving up on Socialism and all it's wonders. They obviously weren't doing it right.

  • vek||

    Because endlessly hating on a random country that was once our enemies for the rest of time makes a TON of sense???

    I guess I can roll with that. Let's nuke Japan again, that'll teach 'em! And then we can go after the UK, maybe help them get rid of that royal family once and for all! THEN we can roll on into Berlin and show them Nazis who is boss!!!

    Russia isn't as buddy buddy with as the UK is, and they may never be, but they're not the USSR of old either. They have neither the power or even the intention to become that big a rival to us at this point. SURE they want to get some things done geopolitically that they want... SO DO WE. We've invaded more countries for our supposed interests in the last 15-20 years than they have in 50.

    If we can work with Saudi Arabia and the communist Chinese we can surely at least work with Russia when it suits us and them and have a luke warm relationship, instead of constantly acting like we're on the brink of nuclear war like it is 1965 or something.

  • vek||

    LOL

    Sooo you're going to FOX NEWS and somebody who seems to be pretty "Rah-rah-rah, let's be big bad aggressive USA!!!" Neocon type tool to try to make your point? Do you forget that I'm not some line towing conservative? I never have been. I HATED Bush Jr. and almost everything he did. I would say the same thing about almost everybody else you are citing as reasons I should fall in line with what you want me to think.

    Putin isn't a nice guy. And I do in fact think he's craftier than Trump, and probably any other western leader in power now. That said, I don't think he's THAT evil either.

    Crimea WANTED to be annexed. IIRC it was more than 2/3rds of the population in favor. In the Ukraine WE had been propping up a government that wasn't popular with a large portion of the population... Shit went sideways... That Russia would ALSO prop up a side that was more favorable to them... You're surprised by this???

    We do the exact same shit all the time, and then try to pretend that we're pure and virginal. Both our countries have done, and will probably continue to do, horrible shit. I've always held this opinion, what with being pretty libertarian leaning and all.

    So it mostly comes down to being a hypocrite, or blowing shit out of proportion. I don't have TDS, so sue me!

  • Just Say'n||

    "Earlier in the interview, Paul argued that having a conversation, "even with our adversaries," is beneficial for addressing the countries' mutual interests"

    This is literally the exact words that President Obama used in 2008. Woketarians and Obama haters are so unbelievably stupid now its unbearable.

  • ||

    This is literally the exact words that President Obama used in 2008.

    Once a plagiarist always a plagiarist!

  • Just Say'n||

    Actually surprised they didn't use that angle.

  • Sevo||

    "Actually surprised they didn't use that angle."

    As was said of Bush #1 or #2: If he walked across the Potomac, WaPo's headline the next day would read:
    "BUSH CAN'T SWIM!!!"

  • perlchpr||

    *snerk*

    That's actually pretty funny.

  • Happy Chandler||

    Nobody is saying that he shouldn't meet with adversaries (that's what they told Obama).

    We are saying that he shouldn't be so damn bad at it.

    We are saying that he is not putting America's interests first.

    I'm having trouble figuring out whether this is more false dichotomy or straw man.

  • Just Say'n||

    Your whole argument amounts to meaningless assertions.

    Woketarian warmongers still fail to explain what exactly they want (besides progressives to like them). The administration has already armed Ukraine, reestablished missiles in Eastern Europe, and Congress has imposed sanctions. What else is there to do short of war? This stupid- "words before actions" is the argumentation of a mentally deficient child.

  • Just Say'n||

    "The administration has already armed Ukraine, reestablished missiles in Eastern Europe, and Congress has imposed sanctions."

    And all of these things Trump should be criticized for by people who claim to oppose interventionism abroad. Instead you want him to do more interventionism abroad. Woketarianism is a moral failing and a brain disease

  • vek||

    If anything he should probably be MORE friendly with Russia. Frankly I think he would be if it weren't for all the lies about Russian connections. He just can't get away with actually being decent to them politically, which I think is exactly WHY the establishment started with all this shit.

    As long as it isn't US taxpayer money, I'm not opposed to the Ukraine having arms sold to them, or strengthening the defenses in eastern Europe. I don't think Russia will be invading any big countries to try to take them over anytime soon, but one never knows who might be in charge in 20 years.

    But we really don't need to be having sanctions on them and that kind of shit. But one shouldn't expect people to act sanely or anything, so whatever.

  • SimonP||

    And Trumptards persist in giving Trump credit for developments that are clearly happening despite his incompetence and lack of leadership, not because of anything he's done or said.

  • Sevo||

    Happy Chandler|7.17.18 @ 12:45PM|#
    "Nobody is saying that [...] s is more false dichotomy or straw man."

    Shorter happy horseshit:
    'WAAAAA! Trump is a poppyhead!!!!!!'

  • ThomasD||

    "We are saying that he is not putting America's interests first."

    Ah ha ha ha ha

    ZOMG ROFL LOL!!!

    Good one!

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    And did you give Obama props in 2008 for promoting diplomacy over war?

  • Just Say'n||

    Yes. Along with opposing Trump's withdrawal from the Iran deal and noting that Obama was the preferable option in 2008. I don't know why you think you are more likely to find hypocrisy from people who haven't just overnight switched from "lol- Romney thinks Russia is a threat to our nation" to "literally Hitler and literally Soviet Union are in cahoots to undermine our democracy"

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    Good for you. That is why I respect you. I am also enjoying the liberal freak out from the media and the progosphere about Trump meeting with Putin. I agree with Rand on this one.

  • Just Say'n||

    I'm not enjoying it at all. Glenn Greenwald and Rand Paul are being smeared as Russian stooges, by supposedly legitimate newspapers. I'm glad that Rand Paul stated the unpopular facts here, but he's a dwindling minority. Trump is going to be goaded into a bigger intervention in Syria, because the man has no principles other than appearances.

  • Robert||

    That last bit is indeed the problem. I like a load of Trump & what he stands for, but I'm also aware of how susceptible he is to such influence, I'm hopeful, though, that his recent remarks indicate his own awareness of that problem & that he intends to resist it.

  • Gaear Grimsrud||

    The only time in his presidency so far when he's gotten a unanimous round of applause was for bombing Syria. If he started a full blown shooting war with Russia he'd be declared greatest president ever cause ya know they meddled in our election. I don't think Trump is much of a warrior and I think he actually believes he can charm guys like Kim and Putin into more peaceful relations with the U.S. He may be wrong but I say let him have at it. I don't see how we're worse off.

  • ThomasD||

    " If he started a full blown shooting war with Russia he'd be declared greatest president ever..."

    No, everyone wants him to screw up, and that would be a tremendous screw up.

  • vek||

    LOL

    Yeah, the 20-30% of the nation that is actively neo-Nazis are the only ones who like the Pauls and Trump!

    Get back on your meds man. You were bad enough before Trump came along, but you've really gone over the edge lately man! I'm worried about you!

  • vek||

    Quit posting the same copy/paste EVERYWHERE when it's not even relevant to the post in question!

  • Michael Whine||

    THE KING OF WHINING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN!

  • vek||

    That actually isn't me! I'm too lazy to have sock accounts.

    BUT I do STRONGLY approve of that person trolling you!

  • ||

    One has to wonder how a sitting Senator knows what TDS even is. Is it really that ubiquitous a term? I figured it was just Breitbart, Twitter, and Facebook trolling.

  • Longtobefree||

    It is an officially recognized mental disorder.
    Which will be used to deprive all liberals of the firearms they use despite claiming that they are evil incarnate.

  • AlmightyJB||

    Actually BDS was used a lot back in Ws day.

  • Entropy Drehmaschine Void||

    Fuck you, Hihn.

    Just FUCK YOU

  • Tony||

    John McCain is not "the left" you frizzy-haired geek.

    Obama got shit for wanting to talk to evil dictators. But that's not what Trump's doing. He's locating the most retrograde authoritarian doofuses he can find and offering up his ass for a good old-fashioned buttering, because nobody in the civilized world can take him seriously.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Obama got shit for wanting to talk to evil dictators.

    I only remember Obama getting shit for bowing (literally) to them.

    offering up his ass for a good old-fashioned buttering, because nobody in the civilized world can take him seriously.

    I am pleased to see you once again believe in the Treaty process, instead of some guy making deals with another guy with an accent and voila! Binding deal for 330,000,000 people!

  • Happy Chandler||

  • DesigNate||

    Those are some sick burns by Fox News.

  • Just Say'n||

    A selective peacenick.

  • damikesc||

    John McCain is not "the left" you frizzy-haired geek.

    He ain't the Right, either.

    Obama got shit for wanting to talk to evil dictators.

    Not from the media. Or a single Democrat. Not a ton of Republicans.

    Nothing Trump has said or done APPROACHES Obama's "flexibility" comment or his removing missiles from E Europe to make Putin happy.

    He's locating the most retrograde authoritarian doofuses he can find and offering up his ass for a good old-fashioned buttering, because nobody in the civilized world can take him seriously.

    His policies hurt Putin dramatically more than Obama's ever did.

  • ||

    Nothing Trump has said or done APPROACHES Obama's "flexibility" comment or his removing missiles from E Europe to make Putin happy.

    Remove missiles from E. Europe to make Putin happy, choke in the Ukraine, stumble over a red line in Syria, face plant in Crimea, and then ask Russia for a do over.

  • Entropy Drehmaschine Void||

    Ah, yes.

    Barry's Diplomatic Playbook.

  • BYODB||


    Obama got shit for wanting to talk to evil dictators. giving away anything and everything to dictators for virtually nothing in return.

    There, fixed that a bit for you.

  • Sevo||

    "John McCain is not "the left" you frizzy-haired geek."

    You're right. McCain is simply an idiot.

  • Mickey Rat||

    McCain is in the Party of McCain. Always has been.

  • Mock-star||

    "frizzy-haired geek"

    Tony with the casual racism.

  • damikesc||

    Though Paul made the statement in the midst of calling for stronger protections for the American electoral process, like Mother Jones' David Corn called Paul a traitor.

    Umm, Obama DIRECTLY worked to oppose Netanyahu's election.

    It is now TREASON to notice this?

    Trump treats "allies" as transactional, which they should be. If it benefits us, we are allied. If it does not, they are not.

  • Longtobefree||

    Umm, Obama DIRECTLY worked to oppose Netanyahu's election.

    Technically indirectly; but he used US tax dollars, so - - - - -

  • No Yards Penalty||

    "Trump treats "allies" as transactional, which they should be. If it benefits us, we are allied. If it does not, they are not."

    That's sorta how Russia (and then the Soviets) operated for several hundred years. Is that what you want America to do? Copy the foreign relations path of one of the most duplicitous nations in history?
    Jeezus, you Trumpletarians are fucking stupid.

  • Sevo||

    "That's sorta how Russia (and then the Soviets) operated for several hundred years."

    It's sorta like every country operates, you fucking idiot.

  • perlchpr||

    And what's the alternative? Get into wars with people who are leaving us alone? Remain "allies" with people who are fucking us over? Neither of those seem like good options to me.

  • Cathy L||

    Trump treats "allies" as transactional, which they should be. If it benefits us, we are allied. If it does not, they are not.

    In which the Trumpkin summarizes the prevailing Trumpkin attitude, failing to realize that's exactly why they're called "deplorables."

  • Just Say'n||

    It's strange how the person parroting the Weekly Standard and National Review has the gall to accuse others of being "Trumpkins"

  • Just Say'n||

    "You guys are all Republicans- now allow me to recite Republican talking points, because I'm libertarian"

  • damikesc||

    If an alliance is a negative to us...why should we remain?

    The world has, for years, demanded we butt out.

    I concur. Lets butt out. Self interest should rule our diplomacy.

  • DesigNate||

    I love how anyone not condemning the man is a "Trumpkin" "Trumpaloo", etc.

    It's like back in the hayday of 2009-2010 when shriek and Tony would accuse us all of being Bush lovers because we didn't sign off every post with "fuck bush".

  • Entropy Drehmaschine Void||

    Fuck you, Hihn.

    Just FUCK YOU.

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    Dumbfuck Hihnsano's cheeseboard copypasta reaches new levels of dipshit insanity.

  • ||

    Is 'TDS' an official diagnosis? Since Paul's a doctor it's the first officially documented case of TDS, right? /confused about doctorin'

  • Libertymike||

    Curiously, last night, after all but calling Trump a traitor, did Chris Cuomo say a word about Senator Kennedy's secret overtures to Yuri Andropov in 1983?

    Did Andrea Mitchell?

    How about John Brennan?

    How about the "war hero" who left his first wife for the heiress?

    How about that unctuous fraud, Adam "and I don't mean Law & Order" Schiff?

    How about Hilligulia?

  • BYODB||


    Curiously, last night, after all but calling Trump a traitor, did Chris Cuomo say a word about Senator Kennedy's secret overtures to Yuri Andropov in 1983?

    Come now, that's so far down the memory hole it might as well have never happened!

    Even though, quite arguably, that was literal treason on the part of Kennedy. That said, it isn't widely known that this even happened at all. Go figure.

    The only guy I've heard mention this in the past decade is Mark Levin.

  • Libertymike||

    Context is important.

    Teddy still harbored presidential ambitions in 1983. It was in March of 1983 when Ronnie delivered his "evil empire" speech. It was the high-water mark of the nuclear freeze movement. Morning in America was just dawning.

    We know that the hefty one from Hyannis painted Reagan as dangerous and leading us to doomsday. So, Kennedy wanted the Kremlin's help in delivering that message. So, Kennedy proposed that Moscow send a number of lower level military officers and party apparatchiks to America to inform the public that the USSR wanted peace.

    It was in this vein that he dispatched his law school buddy and former California Senator, John Tunney, to Moscow in May of 1983.

  • BYODB||

    I agree, I didn't hear about it at the time (not sure anyone did, honestly, didn't this come out years later?) but in 1983 given the timing of the elections it was certainly a more solid case for 'collusion', whatever that is, than what we have today.

    You'd need to think that Trump is actually an evil genius to have received help from the Kremlin, on purpose, and yet remain uncaught at this point. Amusingly, this vision of Trump is quite different than the one Democrats and plenty of Republicans put forward of Trump.

    Which is it? Is Trump an evil genius level Dictator who perfectly covers his tracks, or a bumbling idiot? The left can't decide.

  • Libertymike||

    Yes, in 1983, there was not a peep about this.

    After the fall of the Soviet Union, the information came to light, first in a February 2, 1992, London Times article. The source of the info: a memo written by Viktro Chebrikov, Andropov's KGB successor.

    My understanding is that Senator Tunney's travels to Moscow have been confirmed.

  • Idle Hands||

    Is Trump an evil genius level Dictator who perfectly covers his tracks, or a bumbling idiot?


    Has there ever been a republican this didn't apply too?

  • Sevo||

    "Has there ever been a republican this didn't apply too?"

    I thought Obo was a D. Imagine my surprise.

  • Idle Hands||

    Standard dem is he's an evil communist. Republicans are always evil stupid.

  • BYODB||

    Honestly, it does describe Bush as well. He was portrayed as a moron by the left, yet he went to Yale and somehow magically got us involved in a ground war in the Middle East with roaring Democrat approval.

    Shocking, but only to people who aren't paying attention I guess.

  • Entropy Drehmaschine Void||

    Fuck you, Hihn.

    Just FUCK YOU.

  • Happy Chandler||

    Maybe because it never actually happened? The only "proof" is a secondhand KGB memo. And, we know that the KGB would never lie!

  • BYODB||

    The question is why would the KGB lie to the KGB about it, dumbass. The reason why Kennedy might is obvious.

  • Entropy Drehmaschine Void||

    Fuck you, Hihn.

    Just FUCK YOU.

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    Dumbfuck Hihsano claims he can't be bullied, keeps an Enemies List. (chortle)

  • Michael Whine||

    YOU'RE A CHILD

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    Dumbfuck Hinsano links to his Enemies List, proves how easily bullied he is.
    (sneer)

  • Entropy Drehmaschine Void||

    Fuck you, Hihn.

    Just FUCK YOU.

  • Cathy L||

    How about the "war hero" who left his first wife for the heiress?

    It's different when you leave your first wife for a model!

  • Entropy Drehmaschine Void||

    Fuck you, Hihn.

    Just FUCK YOU.

  • Entropy Drehmaschine Void||

    Fuck you, Hihn.

    Just FUCK YOU.

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    Dumbfuck Hihnsano embraces conspiracy theories while claiming others are conspiracy theorists.

  • Just Say'n||

    On the plus side this Russia nonsense clears the field for "the original libertarian" Bill Weld. Who are you going to trust to "confront Putin": Elizabeth Warren, Donald Trump, or the man who has supported every single American intervention overseas for the past twenty years?

    Libertarian Moment!

  • DajjaI||

    I definitely feel duped by Russia into voting for Trump. But on the other hand I honestly don't really regret it. (I realize I will now be accused of being a Russian agent. I have never accepted money or services from Russia.)

  • Longtobefree||

    You use internet sites partially funded by advertising revenue traceable to Russia. Up against the wall.

  • Michael Whine||

    YOU'RE A PEDANTIC CHILD

  • NoVaNick||

    I remember quite well in the 1980s how several democrat senators and congressmen got shit for going to Nicaragua and talking with the Sandinistas, and NYT had daily headlines about the US staging coups and meddling in elections.

  • damikesc||

    Well, that's different. For...reasons.

  • Libertymike||

    Eh, see my post regarding Senator Kennedy's 1983 overtures to Yuri Andropov? The Chappaquiddick carouser sought to enlist the aid of the Soviets in persuading Americans that Ronald Reagan was leading us to nuclear holocaust.

    Keep in mind, that Kennedy still harbored presidential ambitions in 1983 after having his ass whipped by James Earl Carter.

    Does Andrea Mitchell and Chris Cuomo and Mika, daughter of Zbignew, need to be reminded what post Yuri Andropov held prior to succeeding the bushy eye-browed Brezhnev?

  • NoVaNick||

    I don't remember that about Teddy. I was 12 in 1983, and growing up in a leftist family in Mass., so that probably explains why.

  • Libertymike||

    Do you remember Samantha Smith? She was your age during the summer of 1983? That made national news and dovetails with my point.

  • NoVaNick||

    Ah yes-that girl from Maine who wrote a letter and was invited by Andropov. Think she died in a plane crash after she got back.

  • Libertymike||

    Yup.

  • NoVaNick||

    It seems that I wasn't the only one who had never heard of Teddy trying to arrange a rendezvous with Andropov. Samantha Smith was big news, at least in New England, at the time though. Almost everyone one I knew at that time (parents, teachers, etc. ) thought Reagan was going to cause WWIII and should be impeached immediately.

  • Entropy Drehmaschine Void||

    Fuck you, Hihn.

    Just FUCK YOU.

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    Dumbfuck Hihnsano's been hating facts since his daddy smacked him in an alcoholic stupor.

  • Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland||

    It is becoming increasingly apparent that Rand Paul is likely just a disaffected contrarian, constantly on the lookout for a 97-2 vote he can be on the losing side of or a deservedly unpopular cause to champion belligerently and inconsequentially. Some of it seems to be his disagreeable and awkward nature, but much of it likely derives from the misanthropic kook he drew for a father.

    This is unfortunate, because he seems bright and exhibits other good qualities, but the lack of people skills and self-awareness severely mute his brighter side.

  • Sevo||

    Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland|7.17.18 @ 12:18PM|#
    "It is becoming increasingly apparent that Rand Paul is likely just a disaffected contrarian,..."

    Hint: Your mom may find your opinions worth more than spit, but hardly anyone else does.

  • Marcus Aurelius||

    I find his mom spits for work...

  • Entropy Drehmaschine Void||

    What do you call The Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland's Mom with a runny nose?

    Full.

  • Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland||

    It is becoming increasingly apparent that Rand Paul is likely just a disaffected contrarian, constantly on the lookout for a 97-2 vote he can be on the losing side of or a deservedly unpopular cause to champion belligerently and inconsequentially. Some of it seems to be his disagreeable and awkward nature, but much of it likely derives from the misanthropic kook he drew for a father.

    This is unfortunate, because he seems bright and exhibits other good qualities, but the lack of people skills and self-awareness severely mute his brighter side.

  • creech||

    Are you talking about Trump too? I have to side with Paul on this while recognizing that Trump is terrible at articulating a response that sounds reasonable instead of irrational. Sure, the TDS folks wouldn't care if he was as polished a speaker as JFK or as clever as Bill Clinton, but maybe the normal American would. This little episode, mishandled by Trump, is likely to have a significant negative impact on the 2018 elections for his party. It would be shocking if his approval ratings don't fall by at least 5%.

  • Libertymike||

    You will note that the Rev. Arthur does not mention what Senator Kennedy did in 1983 or that none of the deep state toadies said a word about that.

    Of course, given Artie's intellectual infirmities, I will ascribe ignorance as the reason for his failure to provide context. He probably is unaware of what post Yuri Andropov held prior to becoming gensek or that Teddy still harbored presidential ambitions in 1983 notwithstanding the fact that Jimmy Carter had whipped his ass so decisively in the 1980 democrat presidential primaries.

  • TrickyVic (old school)||

    ""It would be shocking if his approval ratings don't fall by at least 5%."'

    Which would still make him have a higher approval than Congress by about 30 points.

  • Brian||

    The TDS really is on full display. Apparently Trump isn't supposed to engage in diplomacy on behalf of the US. Instead he supposed to carry the water of Democrats against their arch nemesis Putin, and try to destroy him on their behalf, even though they absolutely detest Trump.

    Pro tip: don't schedule a Two Years of Hate and then bitch about how unfriendly he is.

  • Tony||

    Taking sides with the authoritarian asshat who attacked his own country over his own country and its intelligence assessments is "diplomacy"?

    When did you idiots become so deferential to the presidency? It's that (R) isn't it? So powerful.

  • Just Say'n||

    Serious question: Are you actually John McCain? I'm not seeing how there's any difference between the two of you

  • Brian||

    The rest of the world doesn't really assume Democrats and the United States are one and the same.

  • TrickyVic (old school)||

    ""Pro tip: don't schedule a Two Years of Hate and then bitch about how unfriendly he is."'

    Exactly.

  • Happy Chandler||

    Wonderful straw man!

    Nobody said he shouldn't talk with adversaries. He just shouldn't be so bad at it.

  • Brian||

    Yes, yes, yes: Trump was supposed to have an open dialogue with Putin, but taking a hard line against him, proclaiming that Putin is the only reason Trump won the election, and now Putin owes us an amends, which needs to look like begging forgiveness from the Democrat party and seeing what he can do to make it up to Hillary Clinton.

    Without that, what else could he really accomplish?

    It just makes sense!

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    "Mr. President, now that Mr. Putin is standing next to you, don't you want to turn to him and say, 'Hillary would have won if it hadn't been for you'?"

  • damikesc||

    I would ask how many domestic and international intel agencies ASSURED us Saddam had WMD ready to go. Because if we are going to rely on their word, then the track record should matter some.

  • Happy Chandler||

    The intelligence agencies tried to say that the evidence wasn't there. They were overruled by the politicians.

  • Just Say'n||

    That is not at all what happened, but it's adorable that you're trying

  • damikesc||

    Bush asked Tenet if he was sure.

    Tenet, head of the CIA, said it was a slam dunk,

  • KevinP||

    BS. All the intelligence agencies, including those of our NATO allies were on board saying that Saddam had WMD.

  • KevinP||

    Exactly. I supported the Iraq war precisely because the intelligence agencies assured us that Saddam was ramping up a WMD program with great consequences for the middle east.

    So now, I should swallow their claims about Russian meddling? With the likes of Brennan and Strzok in charge?

  • AlmightyJB||

    Trump totally should have beat up Putin and declared war on Russia. / this is CNN.

  • Don't look at me.||

    Not starting wars which everyone thought for sure you were going to start is now treasonous.

  • No Yards Penalty||

    I wonder whether Rand lubed up before Trump shoved it up his ass?

  • Sevo||

    No Yards Penalty|7.17.18 @ 12:36PM|#
    "I wonder whether Rand lubed up before Trump shoved it up his ass?"
    Seek treatment, imbecile.

  • No Yards Penalty||

    that's pretty funny coming from someone with an unbroken string of profane, infantile comments. In all the years I've been reading comments here, you've never contributed one that couldn't have been written by a 4-year-old.
    Aren't you late for your dishwashing job, Sieve?

  • Sevo||

    No Yards Penalty|7.17.18 @ 12:46PM|#
    "that's pretty funny coming from someone with an unbroken string of profane, infantile comments. In all the years I've been reading comments here, you've never contributed one that couldn't have been written by a 4-year-old.
    Aren't you late for your dishwashing job, Sieve?"

    Aimed only at fucking ignoramuses like you.

  • No Yards Penalty||

    Another winner, Sieve. Unbroken string of retarded retorts. Bravo, dishwasher.

  • Just Say'n||

    Bill Kristol with words of wisdom

  • Cathy L||

    I love this kind of response, because it's like you don't realize that sex is good, it's Trump that's bad.

  • Cathy L||

    anal sex as a proxy for effectiveness

    Effectiveness? That doesn't even make sense by the standards of this comments section.

  • Just Say'n||

    That is a rather asinine way to defend homophobia

  • Just Say'n||

    Cathy is just a progressive, but refuses to admit it. She hates neocons, but then recites neocon talking points when progressives are reciting those same talking points. Woketarians like her are disgraceful. They believe in small government, only in so much as it lines up with the preferences of white urban liberals.

  • Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland||

    To a libertarian, conservative and progressive are equally valid, equally stinging slurs.

    To faux libertarians, progressive is a slur and conservative is a warm, cuddly, authoritarian teddy bear to rub against.

  • BYODB||

    Yeah, those god damn conservatives with their insistence on the rule of law and adherence to the constitution. Just as bad as the people who insist on the rule of man with no checks on government power whatsoever.

    Idiot is as idiot does.

    Then again, maybe you mean non-constitutional conservatives? Like, what, 'moral majority' conservatives? It's unclear what you're babbling about.

  • No Yards Penalty||

    "To faux libertarians, progressive is a slur and conservative is a warm, cuddly, authoritarian teddy bear to rub against."

    Bingo. That's exactly what this website's comment threads have become.

  • Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland||

    To a libertarian, conservative and progressive are equally valid, equally stinging slurs.

    To faux libertarians, progressive is a slur and conservative is a warm, cuddly, authoritarian teddy bear to rub against.

  • Cathy L||

    Cathy is just a progressive, but refuses to admit it. She hates neocons, but then recites neocon talking points when progressives are reciting those same talking points. Woketarians like her are disgraceful. They believe in small government, only in so much as it lines up with the preferences of white urban liberals.

    And you're just a conservative, reciting Trumpkin talking points. You believe in small government, only insofar as it aligns with the preferences of the yokel hordes.

  • Just Say'n||

    I mean at least my slur made sense. How am I a conservative when you are the one literally plagiarizing the Weekly Standard and National Review right now?

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    She hates neocons, but then recites neocon talking points when progressives are reciting those same talking points.

    Genetic fallacy, holmes. Attack those talking points based on their merits, not where they came from.

  • Sevo||

    Cathy L|7.17.18 @ 12:47PM|#
    "I love this kind of response, because it's like you don't realize that sex is good, it's Trump that's bad."

    I love the way imbeciles try to deflect attention with pedantry.

  • No Yards Penalty||

    Can you even type a comment, dishwasher, without using the word ''imbecile''?

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    When Hillary lost, NYP, how much did you cry that night?

  • No Yards Penalty||

    Yah, you hillbillies copy and paste that line over at the Federalist, too.

  • No Yards Penalty||

    is that supposed to hurt?

  • Brian||

    Another pro-tip, Democrats:

    When Putin is influencing democracy more than your own professional politicians, then you're fucking up your one job.

    You. Had. One. Job.

  • Sevo||

    "When Putin is influencing democracy more than your own professional politicians, then you're fucking up your one job."

    Can't be said often enough. The Ds are spending all their time pointing out that Putin is much smarter than they are.

  • No Yards Penalty||

    Trumpanzees are arriving from the Federalist as we speak...
    does anyone else remember when this was a libertarian website that focused on economic issues?
    When did it full up with crazed Contards?

  • No Yards Penalty||

    Are you the genuine Tulpa from years ago or a Tulpa satire?
    I can't tell one brand of retard from the other anymore around here.

  • No Yards Penalty||

    Are you the genuine Tulpa from years ago or a Tulpa satire?
    I can't tell one brand of retard from the other anymore around here.

  • Just Say'n||

    I'm old enough to remember when conservatives were criticized for being warmongers. Seems crazy that supposed libertarians are accusing other of being conservative for not supporting Bill Kristol's talking points

  • Kongming||

    I love how Trump supporters keep saying "what? Should he have declared war on him instead?" As if there is no possible middle ground between all-out shooting war with Russia and the public fellating that Trump gave Putin yesterday.

  • Sevo||

    Kongming|7.17.18 @ 12:52PM|#
    "....the public fellating that Trump gave Putin yesterday."

    Anyone who doubts the existence of TDS, let me introduce you to a severe case.
    That or this guy is simply a fucking ignoramus.

  • No Yards Penalty||

    Do you ever have anything fresh to say, dishwasher?
    Seriously, you've never made a cogent point in the 10+ years I've been reading these threads.
    Not once.
    No wonder you're a dishwasher.

  • Just Say'n||

    We could arm Ukraine? Oh wait, this administration did that

    We could put missiles back in Eastern Europe? Oh wait, this administration did that

    We could impose more sanctions? Oh wait, Congress did that

    Gee, what more could be done totally anti-big government libertarian who seems to also support intervention abroad? Seems like war (most likely a proxy war in Syria) is the only trump card we haven't played.

  • Happy Chandler||

    Sanctions that aren't a joke?

  • Just Say'n||

    Because sanctions are different from tariffs so that's OK, right? Totally libertarian guy?

  • Just Say'n||

    www.wired.com/2016/10/inside-c.....overnment/

    Why not claim that Trump's tariffs are totally just sanctions against China, totally libertarian guy who is definitely not just a progressive reciting neocon talking points?

  • Happy Chandler||

    What's the tariff rate on Russia? How much is being collected?
    Who ever heard of tariffs against specified people?

    I'll repeat.

    Tariffs are a tax collected on importation of specified goods from a specified country.

    Sanctions, in this case, is a criminal ban on doing business, here and abroad, with specified people, in all sorts of cases.

    If you keep on this path, I am only left wondering if you are a total idiot or a foreign agent.

  • Just Say'n||

    "total idiot or a foreign agent."

    Bircherism as libertarianism

  • Just Say'n||

    I must admit, you woketarians are adorable in how you insist that two things that are exactly the same are totally different, because of magic.

    The strongest argument for even the managed trade deals that we employ is that it fosters peace. Woketarianism calls for war, if progressives demand it. You insist on more sanctions, which along with other efforts done by this administration will inevitably lead to war.

  • NoVaNick||

    Seems to me that this was simply another example of Trump trolling the media and derp state. They have been screaming about the Trump-Putin connection since he was elected, and he gave them what they wanted.

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    The funniest part is how progressives and libertarians who should know better are rending their garments over his scuzzing of the intelligence community.

    This the same intelligence community that's been involved in orchestrating coups and "hacking elections" since World War II ended. The same intelligence community that not only got their facts wrong on Saddam's weapons caches, but also played no small role in making Libya a failed state and turning the Middle East--a region dominated by socialist-authoritarian dictators and oil barons, and a relatively nasty place to live--into a full blown anarcho-tyrannic hellhole. The same intelligence community that spies on Americans and blatantly lied about it before Snowden exposed them.

    But Her Inevitability loses her birthright (and let's get real, that's what this really boils down to, that and the surveillance state's decades-long role as a bureaucratic Praetorian Guard), and suddenly we're supposed to believe that these people have credibility when they say that Russia (not "people that happen to be Russian," the actual Russian government) hacked the DNC for the sole purpose of ensuring that Trump would win? Get the fuck out of here. These Derp State bobos, just like the dangerhaired catladies whose sole frame of literary reference are young adult and softcore porn novels, need to stop acting like their life is like a Tom Clancy novel or one of Shonda Rimes' stupid political soap operas.

  • Tony||

    Name something Trump could do that you would criticize him for.

  • DesigNate||

    The tariffs are fucking retarded.

  • No Yards Penalty||

    "The tariffs are fucking retarded."

    I'll second that. Everything else he does is a sideshow, by comparison, as far as I'm concerned.

  • SIV||

    Claiming the intelligence agencies are correct that Russia "meddled" in the 2016 election.

    He's a lyin' sack o' shit for that dissemble. Of course no one believes him.

  • Mock-star||

    I also think that returning to a highly adversarial stance towards Iran and Cuba are also pretty fucking dumb.

    Now you name something Obama has done that you would criticize him for.

    Assassinations with no due process?
    Starting a couple of wars?
    Anything?

  • ace_m82||

    Rand Paul was elected. He therefore represents "consent of the governed", and cannot violate rights.

    Correct or incorrect?

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    Dumbfuck Hihnsano walks back his bitchfit.

  • Mock-star||

    You'll have to forgive ace's confusion, since your stances on when rights are violated are a little weird.

  • ace_m82||

    Not this time, no.

    But, if he doesn't violate rights, then why do you care?

    Also, you said you were done replying to me. Why do you lie so often?

  • JP88||

    I see articles on other sites comparing this Russian mess to Pearl Harbor and 9/11. Does anyone get the feeling the politicians and MSM are leading us into a war with Russia? Or proxy wars with Russia in Syria, Iran, or North Korea?

    I do not think all this hyperbolic rhetoric is going to end well for the average Joe or their children who will be used to fight whatever war will be justified because "the Russians interfered in our Democracy!"

  • No Yards Penalty||

    When ass-faced Kristol is leading the charge for Trump to poke Putin in the eye, then you're exactly right about where it leads and who will pay the price.

  • Procyon Rotor||

    Is that list of names supposed to impress anyone here? Aren't they the establishment conservatives that libertarians should hate? Left - Right = 0 and all that? At the very least, I know it'll be a cold day in hell when I agree with Lindsay Graham.

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    Dumbfuck Hihnsano copypastas his idiocy, thinks he's making a point other than what an unrelenting moron he is, about everything.

  • vek||

    " "We all do it." Though Paul made the statement in the midst of calling for stronger protections for the American electoral process, like Mother Jones' David Corn called Paul a traitor."

    How can you call someone a traitor for stating a fact??? The CIA probably spends more in a year on manipulating foreign politics, including elections, than Russia has in the last decade.

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    Dumbfuck Hihnsano thinks he's saying something profound rather than the drug-addled fever dreams of a homeless man.

  • jomo||

    Oh I get it now. When Trump spends days attacking fellow Americans on Twitter and whipping his base into a frenzy any they all start prepping for Civil War 2, that's totally normal

    But god forbid he criticize a foreign power for anything seeing as how that might "start WW3."

    The same people that call daily for what amounts to the purging of liberals from the US to "save our nation from the scourge of (fellow Americans') liberals" are totally fine with appeasement of a foreign to whom Trump is so blatantly indebted it's not even debatable.

    TLDR: the people that are totally comfortable calling for and prepping for "civil war 2" and cheering Trump every time he attacks someone one Twitter are simultaneously terrified of him even appearing slightly critical of Putin. And none of this seems fishy to anyone? Oh wait I forgot that's because sticking up for actual America is now known in certain circles as "Trump derangement syndrome."

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