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Fresno State Shouldn't Fire a Professor for Saying She's Glad Barbara Bush Died

Randa Jarrar reveals hypocrisy on the right.

RandaSthanlee Mirador/Sipa USA/NewscomIn response to death of former First Lady Barbara Bush, a professor of English at Fresno State University tweeted, "I'm happy the witch is dead." Now a whole lot of people—including some occasional critics of political-correctness-run-amok on campus—think the university should fire her.

The professor, Randa Jarrar, made the comments shortly after Bush's death at the age of 92. "Barbara Bush was a generous and smart and amazing racist who, along with her husband, raised a war criminal," wrote Jarrar. "Fuck outta here with your nice words." She later said she was "happy" Bush had died and couldn't wait for the rest of her family to "fall to their demise the way 1.5 million Iraqis have."

Obviously, that's a loathsome thing to say. You can express opposition to the Iraq war without literally celebrating somebody's death.

Nevertheless, Jarrar's comments are constitutionally protected speech. Fresno State is a public university, and its professors enjoy broad free speech protections. Students, other professors, and the broader Twitter community should feel free to vocalize their disapproval of her comments, but Jarrar shouldn't lose her job or be formally sanctioned by Fresno officials.

Jarrar also posted a telephone number on Twitter, leading critics to believe it was hers. In reality, it was the line for Arizona State University's crisis hotline. This prank may present a stronger case for disciplinary action than the anti-Bush comment, though the latter is what everybody seems mad about.

Fresno President Joseph Castro said in a statement that Jarrar's comments were "made as a private citizen, not as a representative of Fresno State," and "are obviously contrary to the core values of our University, which include respect and empathy for individuals with divergent points of view, and a sincere commitment to mutual understanding and progress."

But this statement has not satisfied the many conservatives on Twitter who want Fresno to fire her. Disappointingly, The Daily Wire­—the conservative website run by Ben Shapiro—also seems to want something more from Fresno. The Daily Wire's Ryan Saavedra writes:

The key line in Fresno State's statement is: "Her statements were made as a private citizen, not as a representative of Fresno State." That line most likely signals that the university is not going to take a hard stand over the hateful remarks from this professor who mocked the death of an American icon and rejoiced in the suffering of her family.

I'm not sure what "hard stand" means, but since the university did in fact already denounce Jarrar's comment, I presume Saavedra wants something more: discipline, perhaps termination.

It is incredibly hypocritical for The Daily Wire to encourage a university to fire a professor for saying something nasty and politically incorrect. In the past, Shapiro has rightly called out universities for catering to easily offended students and disinviting controversial speakers. Shapiro himself has occasionally faced angry campus mobs who wish to censor him. But if the offending party is a far-left professor and the offended party is conservatives everywhere, PC censorship is suddenly just fine?

It's no wonder some liberals are skeptical of the so-called free speech crisis (a phenomenon I think is very real, even if it's sometimes overhyped). Too many conservatives act as if they're the only victims of campus censorship—and when someone on the left does something un-patriotic, they grab their own pitchforks.

UPDATE: Shapiro has now written a column defending Jarrar's free speech rights, and ought to be commended.

Photo Credit: Sthanlee Mirador/Sipa USA/Newscom

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  • ||

    Anyone taking bets on how sensitive-histrionic Professor Madflower is?

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    Anyone talking bets on how many snowflakes of the right will emote on here about how this is a justified firing because of some vaguely-defined virtue and public perception of the university, and so on and so forth?

  • NotAnotherSkippy||

    About as many Robby White Knights who buy into the false equivalence, I'd wager.

  • Half-Virtue, Half-Vice||

    No false equivalence in terms of unbastardized or qualified Free Speech, no?

  • NotAnotherSkippy||

    Except Robby has a habit of being as generous as possible when the left acts out of turn and inflates any indignation from the right as full on censorship. Two recent examples are his smearing of Sargon of Akkad and the California high school teacher/councilman who was fired for bullying his students, sorry, for having a "reasonable political discussion" by telling his students "don't you ever bring the military into my (history) classroom."

  • Half-Virtue, Half-Vice||

    No, I won't argue with you there, Reason's treatment of Sargon and Lauren Southern was abhorrent. They have truly forsaken the fight on freedom of speech. In this instance though, I don't think Robby is wrong to point at conservatives calling for heads being similar to lefties when they do the same.

  • BYODB||


    I don't think Robby is wrong to point at conservatives calling for heads being similar to lefties when they do the same.


    Except that nowhere in this article was it shown that anyone was calling for a head whatsoever by anyone on the right. He inserts his own words into their mouths, and points at them as if they said it.

  • ||

    "I'm not sure what "hard stand" means, but since the university did in fact already denounce Jarrar's comment, I presume Saavedra wants something more: discipline, perhaps termination."

  • BYODB||

    Except that Robby admits up front that he doesn't know what hard stand means, then extrapolates that out into they wanted termination and how that would be hypocritical when that wasn't what was actually said.

    If he cared to provide any evidence that this was hypocrisy, he failed miserably at doing so. Notably, if he cared to assume it was 'discipline' it wouldn't be hypocrisy at all yet he actively worked to create a scenario that fit his narrative.

  • ||

    Except that Robby admits up front that he doesn't know what hard stand means

    Other than that it clearly does not mean "merely censuring her for her comment."

    Hypocrites don't need to be "exactly equal in every way" to those they criticize in order to be hypocrites.

  • NotAnotherSkippy||

    And yet how many times do we read about disproportionate responses here? Robby is desperately fishing for equivalence here because otherwise he has to make some uncomfortable admissions. Presumably.

  • ||

    Robby is desperately fishing for equivalence here because otherwise he has to make some uncomfortable admissions.

    And what would those be? That only one side is truly Evil?

    Personally, I couldn't care less that Robby insulted a Republican. If you find it puts you an a defensive footing, well - maybe you have some uncomfortable admissions of your own you're not fessing up to?

  • NotAnotherSkippy||

    No, that would be admitting that one side is an active threat to free speech and the other side isn't. Note that does not mean that the right hasn't been that threat in the past, nor that it could become that in the future, but denying reality now does no good.

    If you would rather stick your head in the sand, then maybe you don't have the indifferent, logical traits that you claim.

  • ||

    No, that would be admitting that one side is an active threat to free speech and the other side isn't.

    So Saavedra isn't calling for Jarrar to be disciplined because of her speech?

    Don't pretend there aren't people on "The Right" who wouldn't gladly stamp out opposing speech if they could, just as there are plenty on the "The Right" who wouldn't. Likewise with "The Left." "The Right" happens to lack the means at the moment, having lost control of both academia and the media, but Ajit Pai has had to tell both sides to fuck off within the last year.

    The American political landscape isn't, in fact, only two-sided, and neither of the two dominant parties is the Good One, and neither is the Evil One.

    Do you know what group is actually an active threat to free speech? Knee-jerk partisans.

  • Azathoth!!||

    Don't pretend there aren't people on "The Right" who wouldn't gladly stamp out opposing speech if they could, just as there are plenty on the "The Right" who wouldn't. Likewise with "The Left." "The Right" happens to lack the means at the moment, having lost control of both academia and the media, but Ajit Pai has had to tell both sides to fuck off within the last year.

    No one has to 'pretend'. It's a simple fact.

    That's why these articles always get this response.

    Comments by people on the right are treated as more heinous that actions taken by people on the left--actions that may or may not include siccing the government on people.

    "Democrats introduce legislation to abolish the First Amendment" does NOT equal "Trump suggests liberalizing libel laws"

  • NotAnotherSkippy||

    but Ajit Pai has had to tell both sides to fuck off within the last year.

    No, he hasn't. I realize that tweets count as at least executive orders if not bills in the minds of cosmos, but the reality is that the left sent a formal letter from the Senate requesting an investigation into a broadcaster. We also know that Barry abused the justice department to spy on reporters. On the other side we have... tweets. And a president who has not even publicly rebuked his FCC chairman after the latter declined to do anything. Moralize how you're above the fray all you want, but the facts don't care about your preening. Don't pretend that there aren't libertarians who have no issue with using government to get their desired social outcomes regardless of whether their "principles" are compromised in the process.

    No, the actual threat to free speech is useful idiots that cannot hear reality screaming in both ears.

  • SDN||

    Robby is simply a coward.

    Until no conservative employees are getting fired for "hate speech", we're going to collect all the scalps we possibly can. We're not stopping until they do.

  • MarioLanza||

    I disagree. Conservatives ask for free speech. Leftists like the author cry for speech free of consequences (for other leftists). Charles Murray wasn't allowed to speak because the university looks the other way when students shouted him down. Conservative speakers are turned away with obvious bias. They are made to pay for security.

    In contrast, this POS was not impeded from her repugnant speech in any fashion.

    Is this an academic freedom issue? The university has already said no. They have said it was private opinion posted in the least academic setting - Farcebook. This was by no means academic speech. It was simply leftist bile spewing.

  • Half-Virtue, Half-Vice||

    Except that nowhere in this article

    You expect me to read a Robby article? His views are simply 'noted' at this point. I feel like I know what every Robby article says before I read it. He's not as bad as some make him out to be, but he doesn't deserve the White Knight treatment he gets.

    Signed,
    Former White Knight

  • soflarider||

    "You expect me to read a Robby article?"

    I don't think anyone is expected to read an article before commenting these days. A brief scan of the headline is all that's needed, if that.

  • Lester224||

    Quoted Ben Shapiro's website. That counts as "right".

  • MoreFreedom||

    Robby's error here, is failing to address the fact that Fresno State is a government subsidized school.

    Consider the possibilities if this was a private school. I doubt the owners would want teachers making such inflammatory remarks on school time or as a representative of their school, and many would fire her for damaging the value of the school. Some school owners would not.

    Because this is a government school, the government must allow its employees to do many things that are extremely offensive. Heck Google fired James Danmore for merely writing an internal memo questioning some company policies.

    Robby should be advocating for elimination of government meddling in education markets, not defending government employees for offensive remarks. That would be the libertarian position. Instead he assumes government should meddle in markets, contrary to Reason's motto.

  • MarioLanza||

    That she is a public employee does not make her speech free from consequences. Police officers that use the n-word are not protected from consequences.

  • MarioLanza||

    The leftistarian even mentioning the "freedom of speech" show nauseating ignorance. What an ultramaroon.

    The first amendment says that Congress shall make no law abridging freedom of speech.

    It says nothing about speech being free of consequence.

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    What false equivalence?

  • NotAnotherSkippy||

    What call for firing?

  • MarioLanza||

    Ben Shapiro's site doesn't explicitly call for her firing but the author can infer it from the vapors and emanations of the website.

    But I am calling for her firing. I am sick of these people forgetting who the work for...US!!! When I was on the faculty of public universities, I always viewed my boss as the general public.

    The universities are filled with leftists that hate the general public.

  • Tony||

    Looks like you backed a good horse so far.

  • Ariki||

    The horse is the professor in the photo.
    Someone send her a "this is what a feminist looks like" t-shirt.

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    The horse is the professor in the photo.

    That must be the fattest horse in history.

  • Trigger Warning||

    Hahahahaha

  • FlameCCT||

    Now, now. IIUC the PC term is horizontally challenged!

  • CptNerd||

    "Person of width."

  • ||

    Who got fired?

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Im always good with the destruction of a progressive. They are at war with us. So one less is one less.

  • Nige||

    She isn't actually dead, you know.

  • MarioLanza||

    Just like the faculty at Duke who called for the heads of the lacrosse players, this will be good for her career.

  • Quo Usque Tandem||

    I'll take that bet and raise you a crazy daisy.

  • Don't look at me.||

    You forget the fact that she was the true mastermind of the Iraq war.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Seems like a stable employee.

  • cereal_shake||

    I don't see the problem with recognizing her right to speak, then firing her because she is detestable and casts the university in a bad light.

  • Rhywun||

    If they had a real union like HS teachers, it'd be impossible to fire her for almost anything.

  • Rod Flash||

    I'm not sure I'd like to see her in good light.

  • Quo Usque Tandem||

    That could be enough to change your nature.

  • Teddy Pump||

    She looks like Harvey Weinstein's better looking brother in drag!!!

  • Teddy Pump||

    EXACTLY!!!!.....Daily Wire is NOT saying she should not be allowed to utter such a despicable thing, but the University should discipline her for it!!

    If a right wing professor uttered such a hateful thing about Obummy's father, who did after all raise a War Criminal just like Bush did, I'm sure he would've been fired on the spot!!!

  • James Pollock||

    * (citation needed)

  • soldiermedic76||

    Maybe not a professor, but I would point out the Rodeo clown who worry an Obama mask.

  • cereal_shake||

    And by the way, if you have a job, and have poltical opinions, just don't tweet. There just isn't an upside.

  • Don't look at me.||

    +1 #keepyourstupidopionstoyourself

  • ||

    With the personal being political, that wouldn't leave much room for speech.

  • Rod Flash||

    They could try using their mouths to talk to trusted friends instead of their fingers to talk to the lumpen proletariat.

  • jcw||

    Mr. Trump is proving you right, or wrong, depending.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Doesn't this lead to a situation where only the unemployed are involved in debate?

  • cereal_shake||

    " just don't tweet"

    No, it doesn't.

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    To a certain extent, that has always been the case. Get busy living, or get busy writing.

  • skunkman||

    This seems to go a bit beyond political opinions. Plus, I'd be willing to bet that this professor has other problems too, like giving bad grades to students that don't agree with her view of the world. I have a kid in college and the English professor basically told the students (nice move) that the accuracy of their viewpoint would be a part of their grade and conservatives (the kid is a card carrying Libertarian) may want to drop the class. I think Pol Pot called them reeducation camps.

    The problem isn't vile human beings like Randa Jarrar; she isn't simply a bad person, she is willfully ignorant of facts. The problem is that this type of behavior is all too common in American education and groupthink is being supported over education regularly. People like her have fascist tendencies and the Country needs to wake up to the move towards authoritarianism and it is from the left and the right. That Jarrar is glad a nice lady is dead is a symptom, not the disease.

  • Paloma||

    Fortunately, it's super easy to spit back English professors opinions and extremely easy to know exactly what their viewpoints are even before you take the class. Just write some drivel, the more hysterical the better the grade.

  • jelabarre||

    Just write some drivel, the more hysterical the better the grade.

    So in other words, write something that fits Poe's Law.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    "This seems to go a bit beyond political opinions. Plus, I'd be willing to bet that this professor has other problems too"

    She's most certainly fat and homely. Which likely resulted in her being a man hating bitch. It's also very likely a wacko leftist professor like her is suffering from multiple personality disorders.

    In China she would have been drowned as a baby. That would have been best for her.

  • James Pollock||

    "may want to drop the class."
    "I think Pol Pot called them reeducation camps."

    What was the dropout rate in Prof. Pot's class?

    "That Jarrar is glad a nice lady is dead"
    You're assuming that Mrs. Bush was "a nice lady". Someone who doesn't share your assumption about Mrs. Bush's relative "niceness" would have a different calculus about whether or not Ms. Jarrar is "glad a nice lady is dead."

  • Elias Fakaname||

    If I were in your iid's Class I would reply to the professor that any such derisive grading would be the cause of action for a lawsuit and inform the rest of the clas that they too could all be plaintiffs in such a situation. Even encouraging all of them to write 'inaccurate opinions'. Personally, I can always use a juicy legal settle,ent and take some money off a progtard and their progtarded organization.

  • soldiermedic76||

    My little brother had a professor who assigned an essay about the students favorite hobby. He wrote about hunting. She drew a big red F and wrote "hunting is terrible therefore I didn't even read this and failed you". Mind you this was the University of Idaho, not some East coast university.

  • ChuckNorrisBeardFist||

    But than how will people get attention and know the world revolves around them?
    *throwing up a little here*

  • $park¥ leftist poser||

    Fresno President Joseph Castro said in a statement that Jarrar's comments were "made as a private citizen, not as a representative of Fresno State," and "are obviously contrary to the core values of our University, which include respect and empathy for individuals with divergent points of view, and a sincere commitment to mutual understanding and progress."

    I was thinking they could kick her for casting them in a negative light, but if they're sending this message then obviously they're OK with it. She can continue to be a horrible person and a professor.

  • Just Say'n||

    On our tax dollars too! Yes!

  • soldiermedic76||

    In a follow-up tweet she responded to the negativity directed at her by bragging how she in tenured and basically unfireable.

  • tgrondo||

    The good Prof doesn't realize it's never a good idea to publicly brag, "I can NEVER be"...(fill in the blank).

  • ||

    Anyone, on what day will all state universities be shut down for death sensitivity training?

  • Aghalor||

    "PC censorship is suddenly just fine? "

    Denigrating the dead isn't "PC" it's just being a shithead. Yes, many dead deserve it, and yes, you may not like her, but if you don't want to look like a shithead then you should keep it to yourself.

  • Nige||

    'Denigrating the dead isn't "PC" it's just being a shithead'

    Being 'un-PC' and being a shithead usually go together like a horse and carriage. This is just the sort of brave un-PC behaviour people who otherwise applaud brave 'un-PC' behaviour dislike because it's their ox being insulted.

  • soldiermedic76||

    No, being un-PC and being a shithead are not the same. Nor is this statement the same as being un-PC. Being labelled un-PC is usually the result of someone using the wrong nomenclature for some group. On the other hand being rude is not the same as being un-PC. This tweet was just completely in poor taste.

  • soldiermedic76||

    Then she doubled down on it

  • Thrackmoor||

    Still wouldn't.

  • Half-Virtue, Half-Vice||

    Reminds me of an essay posted by someone in the forms ( a link to codex something?) it was quite good. Observations on people who sneered at the rabble when Bin Laden was killed but were uproarious in turn when Margaret Thatcher died. Must be nice when you feel like you always have the moral high ground.

    Zealots are sickening.

  • jcw||

    I know you aren't new here, but you must be disgusted very often in these comments with all the active wood chippers and what not.

  • Half-Virtue, Half-Vice||

    The wood chipper is pure, its operator less-so.

    (can "the wood chipper is pure" be our new slogan?)

  • DarrenM||

    (can "the wood chipper is pure" be our new slogan?)

    Are you starting up a new religion? Is there a newsletter?

  • ||

    That lakes a whole lot of bleaching and re-lubricating.

  • Half-Virtue, Half-Vice||

    I Can Tolerate Anything Except the Outgroup

    Still relevant. Section V. of the essay deals with this very topic. I recommend a glance.

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    Yes, that's it. That essay is one of the greatest things I have read in the last couple of years. It changed how I view the world. A must read.

  • ||

    I mention this book here periodically, but it's worth mentioning again as one of the classic book-length treatments of the ideas expressed in that article.

  • silver.||

    Fantastic essay. It put words to things I've noticed for many years. Thanks for sharing.

  • Half-Virtue, Half-Vice||

    No problem, mate! Someone else at this site shared it with me and I'm glad I could share it with you.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Anyone who would see equivalence in celebrating Bin Laden's death versus Thatcher has no moral compass and is the worst sort of scum.

    FYI, the moral high ground is nice, and the view is awesome.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    They could fire her for being stupid. People who speak publicly like that tend to be stupid.

  • Social Darwinist||

    A couple of problems with this article:

    1. If a student had tweeted "Professor Jabba is such a BITCH. I can't wait until she and her whole family dies!" what
    would the school do? Probably go on lock down until the student was located, apprehended, and disciplined. Is the
    school being consistent in the way they handle vile statements from students, faculty, and staff?

    2. I'm not a consumer of Daily Wire but I'd guess that they allow writers to have different viewpoints to voice their
    opinions. Chastising Shapiro for what Saavedra wrote is misplaced. Are all the writers at that site supposed to be in
    lock-step and expressing the same opinions? Boring!!! I'm sure Katherine Mangu-Ward doesn't agree with all the
    opinions espoused by the writers at Reason but that what makes for interesting and invigorating reading, and some
    funny and clever comments.

  • Topher S||

    Do any members of Barbara Bush's family attend Fresno State? Your number 1 example would probably get the student disciplined because it involves wishing for the death of someone on campus. That doesn't rise to the legal definition of a threat, but I think schools have some leeway if they have any reason to suspect a student may be a danger. If Randa had made that comment about a student, she'd be fired.

  • 3clipseDLake||

    Makes you wonder why the author isn't capable of simply voicing his opinion about the matter without engaging in personal attacks and using provocative rhetoric.

    Also, the entire article is straw man. To attack "conservatives everywhere," the author couches the professor's comments as "un-patriotic" and "nasty and politically incorrect," which implies objections to the comments are political in nature and thus constitutionally subordinate to them.

    But professor's comments go beyond just nasty and politically incorrect. Even the author admits the comments are "loathsome."

    What about the Constitution prevents an employer from firing an employee whose vulgar and grossly unprofessional and immoral statements brings disrepute on her company?

    Constitution doesn't give us a free pass to act like verbal barbarians immune to natural and justified consequences of society. Constitution's free speech protections against government sanction shouldn't be taken to handicap employers in management of businesses.

    It is disingenuous to equate the professor's repugnant comments to a generic conservative opinion. But that is precisely what the author has done in arguing that since conservatives are against censoring conservative speech, it is hypocritical for conservatives to expect consequences for evil and abhorrent speech. Why this turned into a Left v. Right debate, I do not know. Conservative or liberal, what this professor said should elicit the same reaction among us all.

  • ||

    What about the Constitution prevents an employer from firing an employee whose vulgar and grossly unprofessional and immoral statements brings disrepute on her company?

    Freedom of contract + academic tenure.

  • 3clipseDLake||

    The purpose of academic tenure is to promote and protect academic freedom, not unprofessional moral abasement completely disconnect from academics but that nonetheless harms the educational institution's reputation. Trying to use tenure in such an improper way, as this professor bragged about, is an abuse of the privilege.

  • James Pollock||

    Somebody doesn't understand tenure. Quite possibly, several somebodies.

  • Ron||

    the lady is just lucky that she doesn't work at Starbucks

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Do they hire fatty uggos like Her?

  • James Pollock||

    "What about the Constitution prevents an employer from firing an employee whose vulgar and grossly unprofessional and immoral statements brings disrepute on her company?"

    In this case, it turns out to be the fourteenth amendment. State employees can't be fired by the state for things they say. Even (gasp) "loathesome" things they say. The Ms. Jarrar is not a Barbara Bush fan, and said so. Not a crime, though.

    "It is disingenuous to equate the professor's repugnant comments to a generic conservative opinion."
    Nobody's done that.

    The professor said some mean things. Get over it, snowflake.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    No one is proposing charging her with a crime. However, if it causes her job loss, and hurts her career, then good. It's the exact same shit this fatty Ugg's would try on any non progtard were the situation reversed.

  • TrickyVic (old school)||

    ""It's the exact same shit this fatty Ugg's would try on any non progtard were the situation reversed."'

    Probably true. But intelligent people should stoop down to progtard tactics.

  • James Pollock||

    Look, it's a bummer that the fatty ugg progtards wouldn't go out with you, but you need to get over it.

  • NYC2AZ||

  • James Pollock||

    " Is the school being consistent in the way they handle vile statements from students, faculty, and staff?"

    You seem to have already imagined the answer. No need for facts.

    " I'm not a consumer of Daily Wire but I'd guess that they allow writers to have different viewpoints to voice their
    opinions."

    I've never even been in Fresno, much less the university there, but I'd guess that they allow professors to have different viewpoints to voice their opinions.

  • FlameCCT||

    Poor Robby assumes that everyone else is like him/her/it and has to write exactly what they are told to write or it won't be fly.

  • NotAnotherSkippy||

    Ah, the rapid fapping of false equivalence. Perhaps Robby could point out where in the Daily Wire piece they called for censorship? Nothing? Perhaps it's the use of the word "condemn" in the headline?

    Say, how's Amy Wax doing these days? Totally equivalent response and outcomes, right?

  • Dick Puller, Attorney at Law||

    Say, how's Amy Wax doing these days? Totally equivalent response and outcomes, right?

    Well.... that's different!

  • DJF||

    """""Jarrar's comments are constitutionally protected speech. Fresno State is a public university, and its professors enjoy broad free speech protections. """"

    So instead of firing Jarrar, we should shut down Fresno State and return the money spent to the taxpayer.

    Jarrar then can say whatever she wants without the taxpayers money in her pocket

  • Tony||

    Not a loathsome thing to say. Impolite, yes, and only if a member of the Bush family was within earshot.

  • Half-Virtue, Half-Vice||

    The respect we render our enemies is what makes us gentlemen.

  • Tony||

    Okay, say something nice about Hillary Clinton.

    I'll go first. W. is almost as good a painter as Hitler.

  • NotAnotherSkippy||

    Obamacare didn't kill as many people as the Holodomor.

    Happy now?

  • ||

    Obamacare didn't kill as many people as the Holodomor.

    You cad, underselling its virtues! It *hasn't yet* killed as many people as the Holodomor.

  • NotAnotherSkippy||

    I gave it the same duration. Of course you're right that it's open ended and so could still win.

  • Paloma||

    Hillary Clinton is not as ugly as this professor. There. I said something nice.

  • Fuck you, Shikha (Nunya)||

    And has great taste in men's sits.

  • Fuck you, Shikha (Nunya)||

    Suits. Fucking phone.

  • Half-Virtue, Half-Vice||

    For better or worse HRC has furthered women's role in US politics more than any woman before her.

    Not so hard and mine was sincere; while yours sir, was barbed by your blind zealotry.

  • Ariki||

    What would Tony be without blind zealotry?

  • Half-Virtue, Half-Vice||

    Gas and flesh held together with bone?

  • TheZeitgeist||

    Okay, say something nice about Hillary Clinton.

    It aspirates as if alive.

  • Don't look at me.||

    Singlehandedly kept the pantsuit industry afloat.

  • TrickyVic (old school)||

    ""Okay, say something nice about Hillary Clinton.""

    She did a lot to help children in Arkansas get better health care.

    Also, She makes a grizzly bear look fun.

  • Quo Usque Tandem||

    Something nice about Hillary Clinton. I could ponder that question for years and come up with, nothing.

  • ChuckNorrisBeardFist||

    That dude Hillary was good for pant suit companies.
    Tony, you are good for showing no matter low some people views are you can always go lower.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Hillary's labia isn't as foul as a three week old female corpse left rotting in the sun.

  • Ecoli||

    Hillary would be a much more convincing girl-girl porn actor than Stormy Daniels.

    How was that, Tony?

  • mpercy||

    If you can't say something nice about someone, don't say anything at all.

  • EscherEnigma||

    I don't think anyone would accuse the Reason commentariat of being gentlemen.

  • Fuck you, Shikha (Nunya)||

    Only because you are assuming my gender. I prefer gentlexer.

  • Mickey Rat||

    What would be about Barbara Bush that would cause someone to have that type of vitriol against her from somevrandom person? As I recall, she was as apolitical a First Lady as any.

  • Topher S||

    She's made some pretty insensitive comments about Iraqis and Hurricane Katrina survivors that struck me as almost too ridiculous to be true until I fact-checked them. Still doesn't justify gloating about her death, though.

  • soldiermedic76||

    As far as I can tell a good number of the Katrina survivors where douchebags themselves. How does a third generation of welfare recipients own property? And shooting at rescue workers? Or turning down evacuation and aid from northern states (Kempthorne, then governor of Idaho sent two ANG C-130s full of supplies with orders to return full of evacuees, who were to be housed on the NG base in Idaho at state expense and given government assistance, after several days the planes were forced to return empty because no one wanted to go to Idaho)?
    As for Iraqis, they also aren't exactly meritorious people either.

  • The Last American Hero||

    She supported the wrong team, and left college to marry an ambitious young pilot.

    I was at dinner yesterday with a table full of lefties and their sentiments were similar to the professor's. I asked a similar question as you did, and the table got real quiet, hopefully as some people realized they'd been celebrating the death of someone they didn't really know because TEAM.

  • ||

    There was a good interview with Lionel Shriver on the Federalist yesterday where she speculated that social media is in fact a passing fad because, as Facebook users are "learning" the hard way, social media is public, but feels private, so you're inclined to share as if you're in private, only to have a rude awakening when you realize that you have, in fact, shared publicly.

    What Jarrar said is not at all beyond the pale for private discussions in the teacher workroom on campus. As a female fiction-writer of Palestinian descent, I have little doubt that she's treated like royalty in her department in no small part because of her ideal social position from which to cast vitriol at the Bush family and Republicans generally.

    Her mistake was taking what gets her pats on the back in her department onto Twitter, which people can tend to do thinking that they're only talking to their in-group, when in fact they are making public comments that they probably wouldn't otherwise make in a public context.

    Shriver speculated that as it slowly sinks in that these are public platforms, people will start to back off from sharing quite so much.

  • ||

    I often think of a comment Miss Manners once made about people in cars - that when in a car, you feel like you're in your own private space, and that you are interacting only with other objects, not with people, so that otherwise polite and civilized people turn into gorillas when behind the wheel of a car.

  • Half-Virtue, Half-Vice||

    Something has to explain the phenomenon of road rage.

  • ||

    You're not allowed to trade paint. People don't behave horribly outside their cars for fear of the human they messed with. No one is afraid the car they just cut off will ram them.

  • silver.||

    Very good point. I went to a play in a nintimate theater with maybe 50-100 seats, and I had an inexplicable urge to call out and/or interact with the actors. I don't usually have strange impulses to be socially disruptive, but it's like my brain thought it was a college classroom or an improv club. Some of my friends said that they also felt self-conscious about needing to be very still to avoid distracting the actors.

    When applying existing social skills to a new situation, we're bound to make mistakes and over-corrections. Somebody has to speak up and tell us we're wrong, and we have to be willing to accept criticism and advice. That second thing is sadly lacking in professors like this... Ironic for those on our college campuses to be so uncurious.

  • FlameCCT||

    How about her doxing the ASU mental health crisis hotline?

    This is what is driving most of the calls for her to be fired. Most people were calling her out until she made clear that she was a professor at Fresno St., that she makes over $100K, and that she couldn't be fired; even included the Uni Prez on her tweet.

    Gotta love how Robby glosses over her doxing as a prank instead of a criminal action.

  • James Pollock||

    Criminal action???

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Tony, when Hillary aclinton is dead, I'll say something nice. The sooner the better.

  • TheZeitgeist||

    That bodacious beastie already trapped in Fresno State. Not like anyone can top that for punishment. I say let it rut in peace.

  • Brandybuck||

    Hey, it's not that bad. Not as fancy dancy as Hayward or Chico or Humboldt, but still a decent campus. It has an excellent oenology department, for example. Not a great tech school, but it's in the middle of agriculture, so it specializes in agriculture. Duh.

    The real punishment is graduating and trying to find a job in Fresno.

  • Colossal Douchebag||

    Christ, what a cunt.

  • Quo Usque Tandem||

    Good comment. Short, and pithy.

  • Fuck you, Shikha (Nunya)||

    Short and pithy was my college name.

  • General_Tso||

    ^Hear hear^

  • silver.||

    I'm glad Robby pointed this out. It's understandably easy to focus on the left-wing snowflakes on campuses. This woman is an asshole and should be skewered on Twitter and shunned, but the college made the right call separating her comments from the school. I think they'd also be well within their rights to tell her that she brought down a shitstorm. Maybe some sensitivity training.

  • colorblindkid||

    The problem is the balance of right-wing and left-wing assholes employed at colleges and in high schools. For every professor who even thinks that minimum wage hikes are bad and Obama was simply overrated, there are ten full-fledged Marxists and twenty who think Obama was greater than George Washington.

  • Ron||

    However if Michelle Obama had passed and any professor had said anything bad about her that person would be fired and maybe even executed. just looking for balance in outcomes

  • James Pollock||

    You want balance for something that happened in your imagination?

    OK, fine. Imagine it that way.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    He's pointing out how hypocritical you and your proggy friends are. As you are the worst people in the world and responsibile for most of humanity's suffering.

  • Nardz||

    ^this

  • Tony||

    The more the late Mrs. Bush allows herself to be portrayed as the matriarch of the Bush family, the power behind the thrones, the more she is responsible for the catastrophes that family has caused. I frankly think she should tone it down a bit, for her sake.

  • OpenBordersLiberal-tarian||

    Precisely. I mean, you and I voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016, and she voted Yes on the Iraq Resolution while she was in the Senate. But clearly Mrs. Bush bears more responsibility for the Iraq War than Senator Clinton does.

  • cereal_shake||

    If you could go back in time, would you slip Mrs. Bush the morning after pill?

  • ||

    Do you mean before or after 1946?

  • cereal_shake||

    Yes.

  • TrickyVic (old school)||

    You mean 1846?

  • ChuckNorrisBeardFist||

    Why all the hate for Jeb?

  • ||

    After '46, it's not about the war. Which means the 'morning after mickey' is meant to save the people of Florida from their fate and/or to ensure that there's no evidence of any trysts you may or may not have had with a young Barbara Bush.

  • colorblindkid||

    I don't know how she's supposed to do that seeing as she's dead...

  • Don't look at me.||

    OMG, SHE'S DEAD?

  • Hank Phillips||

    That was my first reaction too.

  • ||

    The more the late Mrs. Bush allows herself to be portrayed as the matriarch of the Bush family, the power behind the thrones, the more she is responsible for the catastrophes that family has caused.

    She should've publicly, openly, and consistently disavowed her whole family in order to obtain some sort of absolution for their sins? That's some pretty fucked up Old Testament-style shit right there! What's next? Male members of the family should take it on themselves to perform mercy killings to prevent the dishonor from tainting the whole bloodline?

  • Ariki||

    It's going to be hilarious when the lefties realise they are more religious than the people they hate.

  • Dick Puller, Attorney at Law||

    Fortunately, that'll never happen!

  • Nom de Sobriquet||

    Yes, her matriarchal status were the result of her own machinations. Oh well - can't put toothpaste back in the tube. Or, if you're Tony, you can't squeeze it out.

  • TheZeitgeist||

    I frankly think she should tone it down a bit, for her sake.,

    Think she did.

  • Fuck you, Shikha (Nunya)||

    Get your fucking verb tenses correct.

  • FlameCCT||

    Seriously dude. How can a 92 y/o woman that has died, "tone it down a bit"? Or were you talking about Randa with that comment. I frankly think Randa should have taken a cue from President Clinton, President Obama, etc.

    I would also note that she did a lot for her community of Houston over the decades regardless of race, sex, religion, political view, etc. I would hav

  • GILMORE™||

    "Jarrar's comments are constitutionally protected speech. Fresno State is a public university, and its professors enjoy broad free speech protections. "

    of course they are.

    and unlike the people calling for her to be fired, i think she should be celebrated as a representative of the voice of the #resistance. ... as should other interesting, thoughtful, powerful marginalized voices out there, such as Tamika Malloy, Linda Sarsour, Noah Berlatsky and other modern intellectual thought-leaders

    SUPPORT JAR JAR, YOU RACIST SCUM

  • The Last American Hero||

    As in Star Wars - Jar Jar ruins everything.

  • Rich||

    Fresno President Joseph Castro said in a statement that Jarrar's comments were "made as a private citizen, not as a representative of Fresno State," and "are obviously contrary to the core values of our University,"

    "such as never speaking ill of the dead or the fashion-challenged."

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Given that Jar Jar is most likely clinically retarded, he's probably overachieving.

  • Hank Phillips||

    Republicans were the first to speak ill of The Dead, The Doors, The Airplane, The Mamas and the Papas, The Fish and The 13th Floor Elevators... before they died and before it was fashionable.

  • Guinness||

    You claim that "a whole lot of people" think the university should fire here, then fail to cite a single one. The one person you do quote didn't say she should be fired. That's entirely in your imagination.

  • Guinness||

    *her, dammit.

  • GILMORE™||

    ""You claim that "a whole lot of people" think the university should fire here, then fail to cite a single one. ""

    CITATIONS ARE AN OPPRESSIVE WHITE-SUPREMACIST CONSTRUCT

  • Quo Usque Tandem||

    That of course entirely depends upon who is saying what in regard to whom.

  • GILMORE™||

    Of course. Sometimes citations are necessary to file Title IX charges.

  • Quo Usque Tandem||

    Title IX, as practiced, is essentially prima facie. Don't need no stinking citations. If you say you didn't basically rape her [or it, or xe,,,], you'd better be able to prove it, And the written consent better have a notary stamp on it, bub, and an exclusion of ex post facto revocation while your at it.

  • GILMORE™||

    "Title IX, as practiced, is essentially prima facie. Don't need no stinking citations."

    Well that is a relief, because of course institutions should #BelieveAllWomen

    i do find your use of Latin, however, unnecessarily racist and oppressive.

  • BYODB||


    I'm not sure what "hard stand" means, but since the university did in fact already denounce Jarrar's comment, I presume Saavedra wants something more: discipline, perhaps termination.


    It is incredibly hypocritical for The Daily Wire to encourage a university to fire a professor for saying something nasty and politically incorrect.


    You what else is pretty bullshit? Assuming what someone is saying and calling them out for hypocrisy when what they said isn't actually what you claim they said.

  • GILMORE™||

    ""Assuming what someone is saying and calling them out for hypocrisy when what they said isn't actually what you claim they said.""

    If journalists were forced to quote the *actual things people say*, and unable to impute positions to them never precisely articulated...

    ...why, we'd never be able to tell who was an "Alt Right Leader" or not?!? and then racists would be able to live anonymously among us?? This is why we need brave voices like Robby, and respected News outlets like Vox to do this important imputing on behalf of the public.

  • BYODB||

    In fairness, I have never considered Robby to be a 'journalist'.

    The hair, maybe.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    I've never considered having him to be professional, or even fully literate.

  • Eidde||

    Maybe Robby could email the "hard stand" guy and ask what sort of "hard stand" the university should take in response to the prof's remarks.

    Maybe email Shapiro and ask about his views.

    Or even email a bunch of top right-wingers to see what they think.

    That would provide more evidence, and less speculation, about the censorial tendencies of right-wing thought leaders.

  • Eidde||

    (I hope Crusty isn't reading this)

  • ||

    'Taking a hard stand against Jarrar' probably is some sort of fraternity prank or challenge.

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    STEVE SMITH TAKE THE HARDEST OF STANDS!

  • GILMORE™||

    "Maybe Robby could email the "hard stand" guy and ask what sort of "hard stand" the university should take in response to the prof's remarks.

    Maybe email Shapiro and ask about his views.

    Or even email a bunch of top right-wingers to see what they think."

    Ugh. This is the sort of oppressive media construct that continues to silence marginalized voices. You think that in criticizing hate-mongers, that the hate-mongers should be given MORE of a platform? Everyone already knows all of their white-supremacist views: getting them to validate them is just forcing Robby to enact labor on their behalf.

    There are many libertarian reasons to object to these vile, racist, right wing ideas espoused by Shapiro et al.

    Asking robby to cite *specific reasons* and *specific ideas he objects to* is an unfair burden for a Professional Journalist. Real Journalism is about telling people what to think, not presenting scrupulously gathered, so-called "facts".

  • CptNerd||

    You can't spell "fascist" without "facts".

  • LarryWilson||

    Of course it's constitutionally protected speech.

    She is still free to make that comment.

    It does not mean she is immune from the consequences of her comment to include being fired.

    Who is the rookie who wrote this garbage can article?

    Are they a graduate of Fresno State?

  • Quo Usque Tandem||

    Good summary. You should be writing these at the outset of most such articles. It would save many of us a lot of time.

  • HouseHubby||

    The hypocrisy of the left...is this not considered hate speech?

    Anyways, this isn't an issue about free speech, but rather are there or are there not potential consequences for deeply controversial speech? I think that answer should obviously be yes, there are. Seems that she is a representative of the college (partially funded by taxpayers mind you), she has certain obligations to behave in a way that does not jeopardize the integrity of the institution as well as potentially curtail its ability to attract new hires and students. If, let's say, a college wants to go down the path that Evergreen has, then be prepared for consequences.

    Let's say I was a server at a restaurant, and outside of work I started saying outlandish things on twitter. The shitstorm that followed was that people started boycotting the restaurant because the company didn't reprimand me. It then gets to the point that the owner is now taking shit because he's "endorsing" my beliefs by not firing me. Sales plummet and over a couple months other employees leave. So, wouldn't you say that this business owner would have the right to fire me because of the detrimental effects it's had on his business? I think that answer is obviously yes.

  • ChuckNorrisBeardFist||

    I would say yes. Based on NFL, some people feel you are entailed to a job.
    Of course based on Hollywood, it's ok to blackball conservatives so - just depends on the team I guess.

    Your post makes too much sense. I think you need to be re-educated at Fresno

  • soldiermedic76||

    It is amazing how people who don't know the difference between a QB and a HB are now talking about how great a QB Kaepernick was (despite the fact that he lost his starting position the year before and he opted out of his contract).

  • Nardz||

    Right you are. Two things:

    1. He opted out, as you say. $17,000,000 - what an idiot. That fact alone should be enough to disregard anything he says.
    2. I'm pretty sure his entire "protest" began because he was pouting about losing his starting job (to Blaine freaking Gabbert!) and THIS was why he didn't stand for the anthem, only somebody called him out on it so he had to come up with an excuse. Just as "racial justice" was his excuse for pouting, now "protest" is his excuse for not having a job. Ironically, while he was/is good enough to play in the NFL, he's not good enough to justify the media distraction signing him would cause a team - thus his protest excuse HAS cost him a spot in the league, but entirely due to his own idiocy.

  • soldiermedic76||

    Good enough to be a backup but he wanted to be a starter. Felt he deserved it.

  • Ron||

    you don't need to use a restaurant as an example. there have been several cases, some mention on Reason, where a student has said something PC incorrect as in conservative outside of school and was then punished by the school. Even though those cases were first amendment cases they were still punished.

  • James Pollock||

    "The hypocrisy of the left...is this not considered hate speech?"

    It clearly is "hate speech". In the U.S., "hate speech", like most other speech, is protected by the first amendment.

  • Just Say'n||

    Let's be real here. No one is firing or going after the controlled opposition that is mainstream libertarianism. They will bend the knee and sellout on principle at the drop of a hat. So since conservatives are now the radical ones and libertarians are the milquetoast squishes, it would only make sense that they'll fight fire with fire, especially with regards to someone being employed by the state.

  • Just Say'n||

    Right or wrong this bound to happen

  • TommyInIdaho||

    Randa Jarrar is an attention-whore. She shouldn't be rewarded.

  • AaronBonn||

    On a somewhat tangential note, this is the same woman who made quite a splash a few years ago with a truly terrible Salon article entitled "Why I can't stand white belly dancers."

    She sounds like a real peach.

  • Quo Usque Tandem||

    Gazing upon that pic, "peach" is the last thing that comes to mind.

  • ChuckNorrisBeardFist||

    Watermelon?

  • Dick Puller, Attorney at Law||

    I was thinking more along the lines of "road apple".

  • ChuckNorrisBeardFist||

    Watermelon?

  • Praveen R.||

    She looks like somoene with a lot hairy moles on her body

  • iogrizek||

    These two sequential sentences, separated by a paragraph break, seem a wee bit problematic to me:

    I presume Saavedra wants something more: discipline, perhaps termination.

    It is incredibly hypocritical for The Daily Wire to encourage a university to fire a professor for saying something nasty and politically incorrect.

    Maybe sticking to the 'facts' of what was actually said might be a good idea too. It seems a bit presumptuous to say The Daily Wire is calling for a firing.

  • Brandybuck||

    Show me a conservative professor who gleefully celebrated when Virginia Clinton Kelly died, and I'll expect your claim of moral equivalence. Until then, Jarrar is a bitch that should be fired simply because she damaged the reputation of her employer in the community in which the employer is located.

  • ||

    Show me a conservative professor.

  • John C. Randolph||

    when Virginia Clinton Kelly died

    Who?

    -jcr

  • Feiel||

    "Disappointingly, The Daily Wire­—the conservative website run by Ben Shapiro..."

    I know everyone here worships Ben Shapiro but this isn't a surprise. Ben is a polemicist, not a neutral defender of speech or freedom or whatever. He's good at winning debates via brute force and against weak opponents, and his website is often inconsistent.

  • soldiermedic76||

    Except Shapira is defending this woman's right to free speech. Robby didn't bother to contact him and then was made to look like a fool when Spapiro later released an option Ed saying this shitbag doesn't deserve to be fired.

  • Nardz||

    Pretty embarassing for Robby's employer, Reason.
    Will he face any consequences?
    I highly doubt it.
    Keep up the shitty work, Reason!

  • John C. Randolph||

    So she said something snotty and it went viral. If they canned her, what are the chances of anyone better applying for her job?

    -jcr

  • Elias Fakaname||

    You're right John. Best to rise up, get it over with, and cleanse America of all of them at once.

    I second John's plam to exterminate all of,progressivekind.

  • Praveen R.||

    I wouldnt fire her right away. but if it inteferes with the respect she gets from students, she doesnt get her contract renewed if she is not tenured. This professor sounds like a bitter woman. I don't think Barbara Bush is a saint. But I dont think she is a bad person inspite of a couple of insensitive comments from the past that were attributed to her.

    I will say this. CNN did a lot of positive respectful pieces about her. I think even MSNBC did some too. Imagine if Hillary Clinton or Michelle Obama died. I highly doubt FOX NEWS will have their different prime time shows do shows in similar vein praising those women for their positive attributes.

  • Ron||

    it would be hard find something good to say about either

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Michelle Obama has very lush hair.

  • soldiermedic76||

    She is tenured and even bragged about how she is unfireable. She also doxxed the ASU mental health emergency line. That in and of itself is a fireable offense (on top of being illegal).

  • Robespierre Josef Stalin Pot||

    WHAT A BUNCH OF FUCKING SNOWFLAKES!!!

  • Elias Fakaname||

    I assume you're sitting and drooling, while you stare a ton a snow globe as you make that statement.

    I don't really care what she said or not. I just see an opportunity to destroy the life of someone like you AmSoc. Because you're all evil totalitarians who make the world a worse place to live for actual humans.

  • Pat001||

    She didn't get the memo: Republicans are OK when they are:
    - retired
    - dead

  • XM||

    She made some other revealing tweets (read them at Daily Wire, I can't link to the article here)

    If she was a visiting speaker and wanted to argue that Barbara Bush was a mother to a war criminal and that the holocaust was a zionist myth, most conservatives would not resort to threat and violence to stop her. Students don't have to attend any public speaking events hosted on their campus.

    Whether she should be employed as a teacher paid by taxpayers (where her courses might be mandatory for some students) is another matter. Frankly conservatives wouldn't mind colleges firing holocaust denying profs, so they were "hypocrites" from the beginning.

    Robby anticipated the ready made "companies can fire whoever they want, that's libertarianism OK" response so he bothered to mention that Fresno State is a public school. But that doesn't end the debate. Would Fresno State hire a math professor who believes whites are the superior race - given that those comments were made as a private individual?

    I think some level of subjectivity is allowed as long as we don't live in a libertarian society. No on should be fired for making fair minded criticism on white privilege, affirmative action, etc. But if they cross a line some disciplinary measures might be warranted. The SJWs rail against any speech that they consider as automatically triggering or COULD lead to violence, and that constitutes the bulk of campus suppression of speech.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    She should be deprived of life on the basis that every breath she takes is the theft of some perfectly good oxygen.

  • dpbisme||

    More proof of the Loony Left. These are the people that WANT the government to target conservatives, to use the Government against their enemies, and their hatred of other Americans because they want to live differently is down right scary. I mean Barbara Bush was a Private Citizen... I wonder of this professors opinion of the IRS targeting Conservatives, Clinton cheating in a Debate, the DNC conspiring against Bernie Sanders, of Clintons failure to release the Wall Street Speech, of Obama launching "how many missiles" in the Middle East?

    She probably is so clueless to not understand people like her CREATED Donald Trump by scaring a large portion of Americans.

  • Empress Trudy||

    Of course she shouldn't be fired. Merely harassed with protests and violence the same way the left advocates

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Students should walk up and scream in her face every waking moment she isn't on private property.

  • AD-RtR/OS!||

    Cue the White Women Matter protest to chase this prof off campus, and out of Ed.

  • Big Ed's Landing||

    One hopes the students at Fresno State have the good sense to realize that this woman is full of hate and they should not register for her classes.

  • James Pollock||

    Or, maybe they have access to way more information about her than just one stupid tweet, and they should use all the information available to them when they decide what classes to register for.

  • soldiermedic76||

    Actually it is more than a single tweet. It was a litany of tweets, including one that doxxed the ASU mental health emergency line. She also has a pretty checkered past.

  • Kroneborge||

    1. This isn't a first amendment issue. As has been noted numerous times, that applies to government not employers.

    2. While I do think companies should generally give people pretty wide latitude about what they say off work. There's some things you probably shouldn't say (not and expect to keep working of course).

    Note I think comments like this are WAY different than the Devore memo. That was a well researching memo that was trying to start a respectful dialogue NOT bullshit like she said here.

  • James Pollock||

    "This isn't a first amendment issue. As has been noted numerous times, that applies to government not employers."

    It's a fourteenth amendment issue, and very likely a contract issue (professors have tenure)
    Government employees don't check their rights at the door when they show up for work.

  • Kroneborge||

    "Government employees don't check their rights at the door when they show up for work."

    They don't have a right to say whatever the hell they want either. I guarantee if she said something racist (against anyone but whites of course) she would already be out the door

  • James Pollock||

    The power of your imagination is vast.

    She said a mean thing about a dead woman. The dead woman didn't care. Why do you?

  • soldiermedic76||

    Because the dead woman does have a grieving family.

  • James Pollock||

    True enough. So? They have a reason to be offended. I asked about yours, though. Why do YOU care?

  • Ecoli||

    For goodness sake, let this proud representative of the progressive left speak! Sunlight... Disinfectant...

  • Marshal||

    Too many conservatives act as if they're the only victims of campus censorship—and when someone on the left does something un-patriotic, they grab their own pitchforks.

    It's revealing Robbie has to contrast actual censorship and discrimination against complaints to justify his youtooism. Is there any chance this woman is fired or negatively impacted?

    Be serious.

  • Hank Phillips||

    Speaking of pitchforks, how many conservatives here bid on Adolf Hitler's latest auctioned painting? It is a sensitive, concerned and aware depiction of "Vichy French Collaborator Babe with Pitchfork."

  • soldiermedic76||

    Do you think you are being droll? Insightful? Because if so you are unfortunately very mistaken. Rather, you are just sophomoric!

  • Marshal||

    Too many conservatives act as if they're the only victims of campus censorship—and when someone on the left does something un-patriotic, they grab their own pitchforks.

    It's revealing Robbie has to contrast actual censorship and discrimination against complaints to justify his youtooism. Is there any chance this woman is fired or negatively impacted?

    Be serious.

  • texexpatriate||

    While the school probably had not ought to fire this dummy for what she said and believes, they probably had not ought to have hired her either. I suppose we must cut her some slack because she is a "professor" of English, which is not a discipline involving critical thinking. However, I recall my own English teachers in High School ('51-'55) and University ('60-'64), and not one of them would have thought, let alone said, something this nasty or ignorant. But then I am very aware of the devaluation of the product called a university education since 1920, when my father left his university, since 1964 when I left my undergraduate university, since 2000 when a hiree of mine left her university, and 2018 when a young woman I know is leaving hers.

  • Paulpemb||

    Come on, it's been 20 years since The Phantom Menace came out. It's time to move on.

    Oh wait, I thought we were talking about taking a hard stand on JarJar. Carry on.

  • JeremyR||

    Can you maybe link to some examples of conservatives wanting her fired?

    The only you do link/quote merely asks the university to condemn her statement, not fire her.

    You have a pattern of this, accusing the right of being the same as the left when it comes to free speech, but obfuscating the fact that in most cases, the right isn't actually calling for someone to be fired or not invited, the right is just criticizing the speaker.

  • Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland||

    Develop some self-awareness, clingers.

    Whenever right-wingers get control of a campus, the result is censorship, speech codes, suppression of academic freedom, collection of loyalthy oaths, teaching of nonsense, conduct codes, disdain of science, a third- or fourth-tier ranking (or worse), sketchy accreditation, and viewpoint-based discrimination in everything from admissions to administration and hiring to firing.

    Conservatives are in no position to offer pointers on education or free expression to America's great liberal-libertarian alliance.

  • Sevo||

    Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland|4.18.18 @ 8:42PM|#
    "Develop some self-awareness, clingers."

    Develop some brains, shitbag.

  • Finrod||

    Fuck off, slaver.

  • soldiermedic76||

    Liberal-libertarian alliance? That pretty much proves you're a Poe. Libertarians would never Ally themselves with the proggies who falsely label themselves as liberals these days .

  • Sevo||

    Absolutely, they shouldn't fire her for saying that!
    They should fire her for her looks.

  • Azathoth!!||

    A private citizen said/did something stupid.

    Other private citizens are reacting--some even suggesting firing.

    So?

    When the left screams for people's heads as a group of private citizens, Reason tends to highlight that there's no government involved.

    Why the change with this case?

    Because the people screaming for firing are wrongthinkers.

  • soldiermedic76||

    When she is physically assaulted then we can compare the two.

  • soldiermedic76||

    Ala the punch a Nazi etc actions of the left recently.

  • John C. Randolph||

    Spotted a picture somewhere of her wearing one of those oh-so-fasionable Palestinian Judenhass scarves.

    -jcr

  • Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland||

    Ill-mannered people with bad judgment and a strong counterproductive streak have rights, too.

    At least on liberal-libertarian mainstream campuses.

    At Wheaton or a similar goober factory, for example, she would be fired for dissenting from the right-wing company line.

  • Sevo||

    Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland|4.18.18 @ 8:38PM|#
    "Ill-mannered people with bad judgment and a strong counterproductive streak have rights, too."

    You're right, Art. They, like you, should be canned for general stupidity.

  • Finrod||

    Fuck off, slaver.

  • XM||

    They have a right to what they want to say. They don't have a right to be employed.

  • James Pollock||

    Actually, the ones who have bargained for, and received, tenure, have... a right to be employed.

  • soldiermedic76||

    Tenure isn't bargained for it's given. And even a a tenure tract professor myself, I think it's a rather assinine system. It protects mediocre professors and, at least in the sciences, promotes a publish or perish mentality that promotes quantity over quality.

  • James Pollock||

    "Tenure isn't bargained for it's given. And even a a tenure tract professor myself"

    It's "tenure-track", professor.

  • soldiermedic76||

    So where do these mythical liberal-libertarian campuses exist?

  • Dread Pirate Roberts||

    I agree she shouldn't be fired. Merely making her the target of ridicule is good enough for me.

  • James Pollock||

    THERE'S the proper application of free-speech principles.

  • MayneDeWayne||

    If I were running the university, I would fire her in a hot second. Not because of her expressing opinions of B Bush (I happen to agree with some of it), but for invoking the university's name and claiming they can't touch her. I personally abhor entitlement, which she clearly demonstrated when she stood behind the university's name, and her role there. I would make it known that the university is not going to be dragged down whatever hole she feels like jumping in on any given day.

  • Bernzie||

    Protected free speech is one thing, but I'd think as a professor you'd want your ideas to "further the debate" or "add to the discussion." There was nothing thought provoking in her tweets. Just garbage. Why should this be protected? Why would a university want such an individual to be a member of their faculty?

  • James Pollock||

    " I'd think as a professor you'd want your ideas to "further the debate" or "add to the discussion.""

    When you're off the clock, you're off the clock. People are more than their jobs.

    "Why should this be protected?"

    Because we value freedom? Because for freedom to mean anything, it has to include both people who say things we agree with and people who are just screeching for attention, and everything in between.

    " Why would a university want such an individual to be a member of their faculty?"
    Well, as a guess, because the job of a professor involves teaching classes and conducting research, and reverence for political wives isn't actually required for either one?

  • soldiermedic76||

    So you would be okay with a sociology professor who ran a Holocaust denial website on their free time?

  • James Pollock||

    As a third-party, I don't give a shit. None of my bidness.

    Cast as the hypothetical employer, it would depend on the way the prof does their assigned duties. If they're good, they get more latitude, and if they aren't good, that's why I'm not promoting them.

    What's the actual address of your holocaust-denial website?

  • Ecoli||

    My buddy's mom did it for free.

  • Rossami||

    Wrong legal analysis. Fresno is a public university and must honor the First Amendment with respect to its students and guests. But professors are employees and the First Amendment is significantly more limited in the context of government-as-employer.

    Is it right to call for the firing of a CEO who says something stupid, intolerant or racist? If so, then it's equally acceptable to call for the firing of a professor. And neither has any relevance to a university's behavior toward students or speakers.

  • James Pollock||

    "Is it right to call for the firing of a CEO who says something stupid, intolerant or racist? If so, then it's equally acceptable to call for the firing of a professor."

    You think a state university professor is equivalent to a CEO in private industry?

  • Rossami||

    In the context of the appropriate response to stupid, intolerant or racist speech? Yes.

  • James Pollock||

    Then you shouldn't be in control of either a classroom or a corporation.

  • Nardz||

    And you shouldn't breathe.
    Yet, you'll probably keep exposing your idiocy.
    I just ask that you refrain from raping any more children

  • James Pollock||

    With a sharp wit like that, you must be a hit on the grade-school playground.

  • soldiermedic76||

    Better question would be for you to explain how they are different?

  • Allutz||

    People merely want her to be treated according to the rules of the game she advocates for. Why are you upset Robbie?

  • Tony||

    I think the lesson here is that you guys are really struggling with the whole "tolerating speech you don't like" part of maximum individual liberty. Well, baby steps.

  • Sevo||

    Tony|4.18.18 @ 10:22PM|#
    "I think the lesson here is that you guys are really struggling with the whole "tolerating speech you don't like" part of maximum individual liberty. Well, baby steps."

    Pretty sure the lesson here is that you're still a fucking ignoramus. If you ever took 'baby steps', it'd be a huge improvement.

  • nooneuno||

    Do you think a college professor should be held to any standards of public decency and decorum? Any at all?

  • Tony||

    Not by libertarians.

  • RockLibertyWarrior||

    @Tony Derpity, derp, derp! Fuck off bottom feeder, go masturbate at gay porn in your mother's basement, just don't get any cheeto stains on your keyboard, dumb fuck statist.

  • nooneuno||

    Come on Reason. You know that constitutional free speech protection means you cannot be criminally prosecuted or imprisoned for what you say. It does not guarantee you a right to keep your job.
    She could be fired for intellectual inferiority if nothing else. Her comments are on the intellectual level of a 10 year old. If my kid attended that school I'd be embarrassed that this person was "teaching" them.

  • Tony||

    You people are the worst radicals ever.

  • RockLibertyWarrior||

    @Tony and your the biggest fucking idiot on this board. Your "comments" are long strings of pontificating dumb assery. You want the "worst radical" look in the mirror, fucktard.

  • James Pollock||

    What a well-researched, concise and direct argument

  • soldiermedic76||

    Since you haven't offered any concise arguments yourself, maybe you should be careful of the charges you hurl at others.

  • James Pollock||

    Fuck off?

  • GILMORE™||

    ""The Daily Wire­—the conservative website run by Ben Shapiro—also seems to want something more from Fresno.""

    Ben Shapiro Verified account
    @benshapiro

    Here's Why That Nasty Fresno State Professor Shouldn't Be Fired For Her Gross Barbara Bush Tweet

    I still think its super brave that Robby just went with his gut-impression rather than resort to old-fashioned journalist methods like 'phoning people up and asking them stuff'. It takes imagination and heightened sensitivity to be able to read-between the lines, and accuse people of hypocrisy based on intuitive gut-feelings.

  • ||

    The thing that burns me about Robby with his 'to be sure' shtick is the fact conservatives are far - FAR - more likely to be consistent in their thinking and principles including with regards to freedom of speech/expression is concerned.

    He seems to try to find them in a gotcha moment and should cut it out. I don't give a shit the odd conservative goes off looking like they're 'hypocritical' because there's 10 stupid prog stories that come along to dwarf it.

    Keep the focus where it belongs: With the progressive left.

  • GILMORE™||

    ""He seems to try to find them in a gotcha moment ""... and lacking one, invent it, whole-cloth.

  • Mark22||

    Shapiro is right that a matter of law, this may not be a firing offense, but as a matter of policy, it should be. Public servants should be held to a special, higher standard, and "I am just a Nazi in my private life" doesn't cut it, not for a skinhead and not for a feminist. Nor is the idea that government employees are held to a higher standard in their private lives anything unusual: that's how the best government bureaucracies around the world function: the special privileges and powers of government employment need to be balanced by special obligations. If she doesn't like that, she can go work for the private sector.

  • James Pollock||

    The point here is that there are apologists who say "It's OK when WE do it, but it's positively OUTRAGEOUS when THEY do it!!!"
    This is true, pretty much for any value of "it", "we", and "they".

  • soldiermedic76||

    Except that isn't what happened here. Robby got his one example wrong. So, this was poorly written and researched.

  • James Pollock||

    Read a few more of the comments.

  • Sanjuro Tsubaki||

    Maybe, but just the same, universities should end tenure for these idiots and regularly lay off professors who aren't qualified to teach students anything marketable and useful.

  • Devastator||

    Universities aren't founded on "marketable and useful" . Sure that's one aspect but another one is to learn how to think independently and know yourself. This is lost on a lot of the people who only see the world as dollar signs. A lot of "taxation is death" libertarians are just that, don't give a fuck about anything but their pocket book and what effects it. That's why a lot of people therefore just dismiss other useful ideas like equality of races and Constitutionality of laws that libertarians stand for. That's more to life that what feeds your pocket book bro.

  • yawbus||

    Not hypocritical. Ben Shapiro has a lead column on Daily Wire today defending her right to free speech and that she should not be fired for it.

  • TGoodchild||

    Why would anyone who opposes this, uh, woman's point of view want her silenced? Her boorish statement(s) only serve to alienate her other views and make her opponents more sympathetic. Keep it up - get her carriage and that big fat hair-flower thing on prime time to demonstrate what a circus clown car academia has become.

  • Mark22||

    Why would anyone who opposes this, uh, woman's point of view want her silenced? Her boorish statement(s) only serve to alienate her other views and make her opponents more sympathetic.

    Because we're paying hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to her that could be spent better, money that is expropriated from tax payers at gunpoint. And because she is indoctrinating the next generation of Americans, who, as a result, will fail to get jobs, fail to earn a living, and become violent.

    In the end, it's a simple financial decision: keeping her in her job costs society massive amounts of money. If you want her to have a platform to speak, finance her with your own money.

  • Richard Opheim||

    The injustice here is that Californians are forced to fund Jarrar's tenure, as well as a tax-funded school that obviously has very low standards for its teaching personnel. An excellent illustration of the argument for separation of education and state.

  • Iheartskeet||

    So true. Even if we did the bare minimum and kept tax-funded schools, but just got rid of federal loans, I think we'd see a huge and positive change. A lot of this craziness would disappear.

  • MikeP2||

    "Fresno State Shouldn't Fire a Professor for Saying She's Glad Barbara Bush Died"

    No, probably not.

    Fresno State should fire the professor for publicly demonstrating that she doesn't have the intellectual ability to function as a professional in a diverse society and campus of higher education.

  • mtrueman||

    "Fresno State Shouldn't Fire a Professor for Saying She's Glad Barbara Bush Died"

    No, probably not."

    Should any employer fire any employee for saying rude things about our beloved celebrities? Or are the colleges somehow a special case where the employees are embued with special rights to speak their minds?

  • Iheartskeet||

    I'd feel comfortable firing any employee that embarrassed or brought negative PR to my organization, and indeed I think that is broadly understood at any private company. Just ask former startup CFO Adam Smith.

    You can argue "but not if its done outside of the job", but that just doesn't fly. The university can say she "doesn't represent their views", but the public doesn't really care. If you are high-profile, as she is, then to a degree you represent your employer.

  • James Pollock||

    " If you are high-profile, as she is"

    Never heard of her before today.
    So your definition of "high-profile" seems different than mine.

  • Mark22||

    She's a tenured professor, sucking up $100k/year in tax dollars for her salary alone, and using her title to lend credibility to her political activism. That's "high profile" enough to take away that status.

  • Iheartskeet||

    Yes, but you know her NOW. She became high profile due to publicly displaying her crazy bullshit. Just like the Adam Smith did with Chick-fil-a. He was a nobody before he put it on Youtube.

    Companies don't have any interest or time to spend policing the private or even public thoughts on their workers, but should those beliefs go supernova, it doesn't matter whether they are a warehouse clerk running a white supremacist website or a CEO running around in a Che Guevara t-shirt...they have every right to mitigate damage to their reputations by firing them.

  • MikeP2||

    It has nothing to do with celebrities. Who it was is irrelevant. As a professor, she has a customer-facing job, where she interacts routinely with the paying customers. Like it or not, her behavior impacts the growth and profitability of Fresno State. She is now damaged goods and will be "that professor".

    And this wasn't just a controversial statement around a political position. This was hate and vitriol, based solely on politics, with no real intellectual backing. If you are going teach in higher education, at least put the time into making your stupidity more polished.

  • James Pollock||

    "This was hate and vitriol, based solely on politics, with no real intellectual backing."

    It turns out that these are attributes not solely the property of conservative media personalities, but are actually quite common on the Internet as a whole.

    Instead of screaming for someone's head (or job), how about a more measured approach... in which people actually affected by the person make decisions about whether they want to associate with someone who chooses to spew hate and vitriol onto the Internet, and that's the end of it.

    Here's the thing: Most of the people who do this sort of thing do it in order to gain attention, and when you give them the attention they wanted, they get encouraged to go out and do it again and again.

  • Mark22||

    Instead of screaming for someone's head (or job), how about a more measured approach... in which people actually affected by the person

    As a California tax payer, I am affected by that person: she's consuming my taxes and teaching the people I need to live with in the future. And I would like her to stop.

  • soldiermedic76||

    Seconding Mark. Not a California resident but pretty sure this school also gets federal funding.

  • TommyInIdaho||

    If her contract has a social media clause and violating it trumps tenure, then she's screwed...probably for the first time.

  • yawbus||

    good one!

  • operagost||

    Well, if she were a professor of history, I would certainly fire her because she is clearly too ignorant to teach on that subject.

  • Will Seth||

    It is in poor taste, but how can you argue matters of taste with the tasteless.

  • Jim82||

    To really measure this, just replace "Barbara Bush" with "Michelle Obama". If that professor had made identical comments if the deceased had been Mrs. Obama, and those comments would have resulted in the termination of her contract, then the same standard should apply to Mrs. Bush.

  • James Pollock||

    And if it wouldn't, that same standard would ALSO apply to Mrs. Bush.

  • Hank Phillips||

    So Robbie, how does one express SUPPORT for George Holy War Bush's invasion of the only regime that wasn't a religious monarchy "without literally celebrating somebody's death." Is literality the part that makes it loathsome? Disclaimer: the rare times I ever saw images Barbara Bush I mistook her for Holy War's mom and bear her no animosity. My question is linguistic.

  • colorblindkid||

    The Iraq War was a mistake, but do not try to make it out like Saddam wasn't arguably the most evil dictator of the last 30 years. Also, England is a religious monarchy.

  • Mark22||

    Nevertheless, Jarrar's comments are constitutionally protected speech. Fresno State is a public university, and its professors enjoy broad free speech protections. Students, other professors, and the broader Twitter community should feel free to vocalize their disapproval of her comments, but Jarrar shouldn't lose her job or be formally sanctioned by Fresno officials.

    Everybody can be fired for putting their employer in a bad light.

    As for public sector employees, it is absurd to give them more constitutional protections than private sector employees; if anything, the government can (and already does) make giving up Constitutionally protected rights a condition of government employment. There is nothing inconsistent about that. The idea that we should have millions of government bureaucrats whose conduct is beyond public scrutiny is absurd.

    If that's too difficult for you grasp, think of it this way: elected officials can certainly lose their jobs because of private speech. We could easily give professors and teachers the same status.

  • Brett Bellmore||

    I don't think she should have been fired for that specific utterance, but, being the sort of person who would utter it, anyone want to bet it wasn't part of a pattern of behavior?

  • RaelB||

    Wrong!! It is NOT hypocritcal of the 'right' to demand her firing!!

    The rules say that if you say -anything- that's offensive, YOU GET FIRED!!!

    The 'left' made those rules, and the 'right' -should- play by them. She said something very offensive about someone on the 'right.' Can you imagine if someone on the 'right' said this about Hillary when she passes? Or about Michelle? About any democrat president's wife?

    They'd be fired within a minute.

    Again, the 'left' made the rule, the 'right' has every right to demand her firing, and even to have violent protests and burn the school down if they don't do it! That's the rule! The only thing hypocritical here is the person writing this article who is claiming (once again) that the rules don't apply to the 'left', even when the left MAKES THE RULE!

  • James Pollock||

    "Wrong!! It is NOT hypocritcal of the 'right' to demand her firing!!"

    Yeah, it is.

    "The rules say that if you say -anything- that's offensive, YOU GET FIRED!!!"

    That's not how free speech works.
    That's not how tenure works.
    That's not even the way employment works.

    "Can you imagine if someone on the 'right' said this about Hillary when she passes?"
    Folks on the 'right' didn't wait until she was dead to say mean things about her. How many of them lost their jobs?

  • RollingSmooth||

    I don't see how calling for her to be fired is stepping on her right to "Free Speech". No she should not go to jail for saying what she said and that is what the constitution protects. Freedom of speech is not speech without consequence.

    The school has the right to project an image they want to project. They have a right to have standards.

    Suppose enrollment to her future classes go down and in general the image of the school is damaged. Someone who might be outraged about her comments could act out violently. The school has it own concerns when it comes to enrollment levels, student safety and disruptions to consider. The negative coverage / public outrage harms the school.

    If I as a private citizen working for a normal cooperation where to act in a certain way that ended up getting negative news coverage, they'd fire me. It's no difference here.

  • James Pollock||

    Are you aware that you are suggesting that contracts should not be honored if inconvenient?

  • Devastator||

    It depends on what her contract says. If it has a clause about free speech, sure, but if not bye Felicia!

  • Naaman Brown||

    Summary of facts

    17 Apr 2018 Professor Randa Jarrar described the late Barbara Bush as "a generous and smart and amazing racist who, along with her husband, raised a war criminal. Fuck outta here with your nice words." And later "I'm happy the witch is dead".

    Jarrar was widely criticized for her actions. Jarrar boasted that she will "never be fired" because she has tenure at California State University at Fresno. She twittered "If you really wanna reach me, here's my number ok?" and gave the Aeizona State U suicide crisis number. Angry calls overwelmed the hot line.

    CSU at Fresno president Joseph Castro stated "Professor Jarrar's expressed personal views and commentary are obviously contrary to the core values of our University, which include respect and empathy for individuals with divergent points of view". The U confirmed that she was on leave from the university at the time she made her statements. U Provost Lynnette Zelezny stated that Jarrar's tenure would not protect her from termination. Neither the President nor the Provost went into detail on ony planned discipline.

    And that was the last word as of 4:42pm EDT 21 Apr 2018.

  • Peter||

    It's not hypocrisy, the right is just insisting on a level playing field.
    The left has punished speech that they don't like, let's see how they like the new rules.
    For yeast, we on the right have acted like a comic book hero, no matter how often the villain tries to kill him, the good guy always lets him go after another promise to behave.

  • IndependentTexan||

    I think her ideas are loathsome and hateful, and probably outright evil. But I don't think Fresno State should fire her. I think the taxpayers of California should be required to pay her salary for the rest of her life. Kind of like having to feed and clothe and entertain murderers for life rather than executing them. The taxpayers get what they deserve in California.

    Now, if the President of Fresno State had any stones, he would decree that while her tenure protects her right to speech, she does not have, or frankly never had, a RIGHT to teach any students.

    Make her publish her tripe as "research" for the rest of her career to earn her paycheck. And never teach another FSU class again.

  • prediksifajar||

    professor is the best

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