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Plus: YouTube shooter bought and registered gun legally.

Face to face/ZUMA Press/NewscomFace to face/ZUMA Press/NewscomRussia's business elite become latest target of Mueller investigation, sanctions. A new twist in the great election-meddling caper: Special prosecutor Robert Mueller is stopping Russian tycoons at the border to search their digital devices.

Mueller has been looking for links to illegal Trump-campaign contributions by showing up with search warrants to greet "at least two Russian oligarchs whey they arrived at US airports," according to Mother Jones. "One oligarch, according to sources who spoke to CNN, had his electronic devices searched after his private jet landed at a New York airport."

Hopefully there's more to Mueller's game here than we know, because this—"investigators are asking whether wealthy Russians illegally funneled cash donations directly or indirectly into Donald Trump's presidential campaign and inauguration" (via CNN)—does not seem like the most effective strategy. That isn't the kind of information that people tend to just offer up willy-nilly. But maybe Mueller's team has some leverage.

Or maybe they're trying the same strategy that trapped Alex van der Zwaan, the London-based lawyer sentenced earlier this week to 30 days in federal prison. The feds got van der Zwaan not because of any underlying criminal activity, but because he withheld information about the last time he had talked with "Person A" and with Rick Gates, who was Trump's deputy campaign manager. Although the reason for van der Zwaan's omission may not have been related to the underlying investigation—he says he was worried about getting in trouble with his law firm if they found out he had recorded a call between him one of the firm's principals, and in any event the recordings showed all of van der Zwaan's contact was related to work he had done in 2012-13 related to Ukraine—the lie provided an opportunity for investigators to get more data on folks who were more closely related to Russia or the Trump campaign.

Meanwhile, the Trump administration "plans to sanction Russian oligarchs this week under a law targeting Moscow for meddling in the 2016 U.S. election," reports Reuters. Sources told the news agency that the sanctions would be brought under bipartisan 2014 legislation known as the "Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act."

Pascal-Emmanuel Gobry at The Week thinks we might be going a bit overboard with the Russian scapegoating right now. "From Putin's perspective, the Trump administration is probably a wash, if not a net negative," writes Gobry.

But the election of Trump has given Putin one major benefit: fear. The West used to see Russia as a joke; now the West sees Russia as a dangerous threat.

Putin wins not by actually swinging the U.S. presidential election but because Americans believe that he did. Americans are now (once again) convinced that Russians hate us for our freedom, which gives ideological oomph to previously less charged conflicts.

... if there is a "new Cold War," it is not because Russia sends bombers dangerously close to NATO airspace, but because this confrontation between states, as old as humanity itself, now has a component of global ideological combat.

FREE MINDS

Prison "porn ban" extends to explicit letters and yoga magazines. A federal judge is considering whether South Dakota's statewide ban on porn in prisons is constitutional. The case arose from an inmate, Charles Sisney, who says all sorts of non-pornographic content got caught up in porn prohibition, including a yoga magazine, images of Michaelangelo's work, and Japanese comics. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) of South Dakota and the National Coalition have filed briefs in support of Sisney's case.

Even when things like fitness magazines aren't getting caught up in South Dakota's prison porn prohibition, the parameters of the ban go way beyond adult films, nude images, or other things that most people would consider to be porn. Prisoners are banned from writing sexually explicit letters or receiving them, and from receiving any visual or written material that's deemed sexually explicit. "Further, all letters that prisoners send to the public can be withheld if they contain, even in part, explicit material, with the prison deciding what is 'explicit,'" notes Gizmodo.

South Dakota is one of several states that has recently declared porn a "public health risk" that "harms men, women, and children."

FREE MARKETS

Facebook data leak revelations spur new calls for regulation. In light of the news that Facebook may have inappropriately shared data on 87 million users with Cambridge Analytica, the company is announcing new data-sharing and retention policies. It also announced, on Tuesday, that it had removed another 70 Facebook and 65 Instagram accounts controlled by the Internet Research Agency. "Of the Pages that had content, the vast majority of them (95 percent) were in Russian," reported Facebook, and were "targeted either at people living in Russia or Russian-speakers around the world including from neighboring countries like Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan and Ukraine."

Of course, all of this is producing the usual responses from the usual suspects: more government regulation! More federal oversight of the online marketplace of ideas and more micromanaging of the way that digital companies do their business. This ProPublica post at The Atlantic sums up the gamut of bad, business-killing, speech-chilling policy proposals gaining cultural traction right now.

FOLLOW UP

YouTube shooter's handgun was legal. The gun used by Nasim Aghdam to shoot up YouTube and kill herself on Tuesday was a 9 mm Smith & Wesson that she had legally purchased and registerd, police say. In California, this means that Aghdam had to pass a background check and wait 10 days before buying the gun.

QUICK HITS

  • Why everyone got the Pulse massacre story wrong: "The media missed the story because they depended on the government to tell it to them," said a lawyer for the shooter's wife, Noor Salman, who was acquitted on accomplice charges last week.
  • Revenge porn bills are cropping up in state legislatures again. American Civil Liberties Union of Rhode Island Executive Director Steve Brown said the latest measure in his state "will have a chilling effect on the media."
  • Chappaquiddick, a new film about the death of Mary Jo Kopechne in Ted Kennedy's car, "has few definitive answers" for any of the lingering questions about her death and this failure "to satisfactorily solve the mystery of that fateful summer night renders Curran's latest something of an invariable disappointment," writes Nick Schager at The Daily Beast.
  • John Kasich never says die.
  • Orange County Sheriff's Office and prosecutors for decades recruited jailhouse informants to coerce confessions from fellow prisoners, according to a new lawsuit filed by the ACLU.
  • "All over Europe, legislators and officials are trying to regulate content with 'fake news' legislation and directives," warns Techdirt's Tim Cushing.
  • "Laws against sex trafficking should be enforced, and sex traffickers should be punished. But those important goals must not be used to obliterate the important rights and the basic features of common life and shared communication we enjoy in a free society," opines the Orange County Register Editorial Board.
  • Is it sacrilegious to deliver the Eucharist via drone? The internet considers.

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  • Fist of Etiquette||

    The media missed the story because they depended on the government to tell it to them...

    If they can't get the story off Twitter...

  • ||

    Hello.

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    Sup, Rufus. I hope you have a great day today.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Chappaquiddick, a new film about the death of Mary Jo Kopechne in Ted Kennedy's car, "has few definitive answers" for any of the lingering questions about her death.

    Yeah, what questions do people still have?

  • Old Mexican - Mostly Harmless||

    If it was all a right-wing conspiracy to stop Hillary from sitting in the White House. Those lingering questions!

  • CE||

    Do they think 60 year olds still go to the movies? Who else will watch this?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Orange County Sheriff's Office and prosecutors for decades recruited jailhouse informants to coerce confessions from fellow prisoners...

    You're always touting privatization, why not in coerced confessions?

  • Citizen X - #6||

    South Dakota is one of several states that has recently declared porn a "public health risk" that "harms men, women, and children."

    South Dakota is one of several states whose police forces have shoot-on-sight orders for BUCS.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    One of many states that refuses to listen to my strong advocacy for raw dogging it.

  • Curt||

    "all sorts of non-pornographic content got caught up in porn prohibition, including ... Japanese comics"

    Yeah... nothing pornograhic about those Japanese comics. That's just good wholesome family entertainment.

  • Old Mexican - Mostly Harmless||

    I love what you did to the place!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    But those important goals must not be used to obliterate the important rights and the basic features of common life and shared communication we enjoy in a free society...

    Time to close down the Orange County Register Editorial Board.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Good, I needed some morning ENB.

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    ENB is a national treasure.

  • Weigel's Cock Ring||

    A national in the kitchen, sandwich-making treasure.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Stay classy, Simple Mikey.

    (By "classy," i of course mean "stupid, unoriginal, and faintly embarrassing for everyone who encounters you.")

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Mikey wants ENB to cull Wingnut.com for her material like he does.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Go away, Blue Mikey. You think it's any more clever when you type dumb shorthand than it is when your red doppelganger does the same?

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    IF being anti Mike makes you Blue then you are Blue as well.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    You're not Blue Mikey because you're anti-Mikey, you're Blue Mikey because, aside from shilling for Democrats instead of Republicans, you're exactly like him. Shitty nicknames and everything.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    I don't shill for Democrats liar.

    When I say "I support Obama's spending cuts (in the Budget Act of 2011)" that is shilling only to a partisan.

    Obama supported authentic fiscal reform unlike the idiot GOP today.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    So you're not clear on what "authentic fiscal reform" means. Cool. You do you, Blue Mikey.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Are you the moron who didn't like Simpson Bowles?

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Are you the moron who didn't like Simpson Bowles?

  • Citizen X - #6||

    I don't believe i've ever said anything about Simpson-Bowles on Hit'n'Run.

  • MarkLastname||

    Obama didn't like Simpson-Bowles either. You forget it was "GOP obstructionism" (which you surely complained about them) that kept Obama's budgets in check.

    But do go back to proving how you definitely aren't shilling for Democrats.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Is it sacrilegious to deliver the Eucharist via drone?

    This former altar boy knows what this is all about. We ask for a living wage and they totally automate us out of a job.

  • Shirley Knott||

    The priesthood will always have positions for human altar boys.

  • Leo Kovalensky II||

    "This former altar boy..."

    That explains everything.

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    Fist's urge to always be first goes way back, if you know what I mean.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Twenty years ago, Kasich was talking about Pearl Jam and Jolt Cola; today, it's Justin Bieber and HQ. He sees the same opening with millennial independent voters he saw then.

    If Kasich successfully wins over the Millennials with Justin Bieber references, i will admit that i know absolutely nothing about humanity.

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    Bieber is not aging well.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    When he hired me as his swagger coach I warned them that I might not be the best choice. But who am I to refuse a sweet 5 figure gig like that

  • Citizen X - #6||

    That's five figures including the decimal points, isn't it.

  • OpenBordersLiberal-tarian||

    Why everyone got the Pulse massacre story wrong: "The media missed the story because they depended on the government to tell it to them," said a lawyer for the shooter's wife, Noor Salman, who was acquitted on accomplice charges last week.

    We know exactly what happened in the Pulse massacre. A closeted gay man (who happened to be Muslim — but that's irrelevant) was driven to self-loathing by right-wing homophobia, and he lashed out violently because of easy access to military style weapons, which is also the right wing's fault.

    A new twist in the great election-meddling caper: Special prosecutor Robert Mueller is stopping Russian tycoons at the border to search their digital devices.

    Go Mueller! #ItsMuellerTime

  • Mickey Rat||

    It was easier to run with "hates gays" than "hates Westerners". That way they could downplay the Islamic radical angle.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    The West used to see Russia as a joke; now the West sees Russia as a dangerous threat.

    Mitt Romney was a man before his time.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    AND after his time. Wait a minute - is Mitt Romney the Highlander?

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    There can only be one....wife.

  • Rhywun||

    I still see Russia as a joke but I'm not a raving lunatic like "the West".

  • John||

    If a country with 20,000 or so nuclear weapons is a joke, it sure isn't a very funny one.

  • Sometimes a Great Notion||

    No fighting in the war room is gold, John gold.

  • John||

    Fair point.

  • Rhywun||

    They are a joke in that they are not the threat that the Left is intent on portraying them as, in its baffling attempt to gin up another Cold War.

  • John||

    It really is. And they are a threat to the countries around them. But they are not a threat to the world and to us anything like the way they were during the Cold War. Basically, Putin wants to stay alive and in power. Doing that entails playing local bad boy so the Russian people feel like he is making them a great power again and are willing to ignore how badly he is fucking up the economy and how poor they are.

    They are not our friends and never will be. But they are not our enemies either.

  • Conchfritters||

    At the end of the day, this is a country with a GDP comparable to Spain. Like McCain said, they are a gas stations masquerading as a country. But to John's point, they also have 20,000 nuclear weapons. I am not a Trump fan, but I give him points for not getting us into a war with Russia. Can't say the same would be true if HRC was elected.

  • Tony||

    They are what they are. Perhaps there's some room in the spectrum between cold war and letting them invade other countries and beating the US up whenever they want?

  • Social Justice is neither||

    But Tony that was exactly Obama's strategy in dealing with them.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    You mean invading Ukraine while Obummer was president?

  • Tony||

    Obama was also too weak on Russia.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    OH SHEEEIIIT! We got Tony admitting Obama was bad on numerous points.

  • MarkLastname||

    So you think we should've gone to war over the Ukraine?

    Christ, are you trying take all the bad things about being a leftist, mix them with the bad things from the right, and make a nice shit stew out of it?

  • Tony||

    Nope, I'm just pissed that they knew what Russia was doing and let them elect Trump anyway.

  • UnrepentantCurmudgeon||

    Dems always have made the most slobberingly virulent anti-Soviets, and still do. It's one of two variants: "No, Soviets are no danger" or "OMG, they stole our last election", neither of which are true, both of which are cornerstones of whatever passes for Dem "policy" at the moment, and both of which condemn Obama, his advisors and sycophants to the dustbin of history.

  • CE||

    +1 Apollo program, big government FTW

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    Is it sacrilegious to deliver the Eucharist via drone? The internet considers.

    Only if the wafer is delivered onto an exposed butthole before that butthole is penetrated. It's how the Marquis De Sade would have used drones.

  • Ska||

    This goes way beyond stampeding cattle through the vatican.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    "that failure to satisfactorily solve the mystery of that fateful summer night renders Curran's latest something of an invariable disappointment."

    The only mystery is why anyone would voluntarily go to a second location with a Kennedy.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    She... She told me I could get a walk on role on her show... How was I to know what would happen next?

  • Citizen X - #6||

    #BUCSToo

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    South Dakota is one of several states that has recently declared porn a "public health risk" that "harms men, women, and children."

    What else is there to do in South Dakota?

  • Shirley Knott||

    Point at Nebraska and laugh.

  • gormadoc||

    I have a Nebraskan friend who lives in South Dakota and he'd tell you there's less in SD. He went to a university there and the city was overly proud of the fact they had a Shopko.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Oil fields these days.

  • Weigel's Cock Ring||

    Three snowmakers expected for the midwest and northeast this weekend. So how's that "global warming" working out for you?

    Say, where is big, fat, quadruple-chinned Al Gore these days anyway? My guess is he's probably busy ordering extra truckloads of firewood to be delivered to his various mansions.

  • Jordan||

    John Kasich never says die

    Seriously, what will it take for this guy to just go away?

  • John||

    Him dying or going to prison. Guys like Kasich never go away. Being in politics and having power is the only thing in life they want or value. And they will never give it up short of dying or being locked up.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Come on, John. You know going to prison wouldn't stop him.

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    The only question is how long it would take for Kasich to bring up Bieber in prison, and how long after that for him to be bitched up with a Bieber fan.

  • Just Say'n||

    Kasich's father was a mailman. Did you know that?

    Of course not. Now go hug a widow.

  • MarkLastname||

    Thank God Ohio has term limits, all I'll say.

    But God I hope that Cordray douche bag doesn't take his place.

  • John||

    Christ Jimmy Kimmel is an asshole.

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion.....grant.html

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    I don't see anything in the article about Christ Jimmy Kimmel, just regular Jimmy Kimmel.

  • ||

    Which is being an asshole.

  • Rhywun||

    He seems to think he's Christ.

  • Just Say'n||

    No, Chuck Schumer is Kimmel's messiah. Kimmel is merely his prophet, reciting his words

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    James Kimmel

  • CE||

    Why doesn't someone dig up his old Man Show material and run him off TV?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    More federal oversight of the online marketplace of ideas and more micromanaging of the way that digital companies do their business.

    Who is better at assuring personal privacy than the federal fucking government?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    In California, this means that Aghdam had to pass a background check and wait 10 days before buying the gun.

    That would have made great content.

  • John||

    That God damned Trump is going to destroy the economy.

    The total number of people receiving unemployment benefits fell to the lowest level in 44 years in March, the Department of Labor reported Thursday in more good news about the economy.

    Altogether, 1.8 million people got unemployment insurance benefits toward the end of March, the smallest such seasonally-adjusted number since the end of December 1973, when the workforce was much smaller and there were fewer people to be laid off. Benefits are available for up to 26 weeks in most states.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer......4-year-low

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Yes, The Dotard inherited a sound economy and has managed not to fuck it up (so far). But farmers/manufactureres are getting worried.

    "I know the president keeps saying we'll get a great deal," Knopf said. "In the meantime, it's really discouraging to have our commodity prices and our family's revenue be impacted so much because of what's happening on trade."

    Bloomberg

    Midwest Farmers Have Trump to Thank for Their Latest Export Woes

  • John||

    And Trump is going to take all of the credit for it. Must suck to be Obama. Trump is going to have this sparkling economic record and it is all because of Obama. Poor guy just could never catch a break.

    I like it that you are dumb enough to think this is Obama's doing. The thought of you having to watch Trump get credit for something your small mind thinks Obama did is quite wonderful. Your misery and ignorance really do bring a lot of joy.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Poll: More Americans credit Obama than Trump for economy
    BY JACQUELINE THOMSEN - 01/22/18 04:12 PM EST

    (the Hill)

    Stay ignorant, John.

    Trump inherited a sound, improving economy and won't leave the same.

  • John||

    No link dipshit. And that is President Trump to you. Never forget that. He is President. LOL the more time passes the credit Trump will get. And remember he is President. Tell me more about how certain it was Hillary was going to win in a landslide. Your anger, powerlessness, misery, and ignorance is just wonderful. It makes me so happy.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    On the contrary I am vindicated since I always have said conservatives are Aborto-Freaks who love Big Government and deficits who don't give a flying fuck about liberty.

    And you shill for the GOP 24/7.

    Progressives suck too. They are just as bad. But us independents don't labor under a delusion like you do.

  • John||

    Whatever gets you through the night. It has been great for you. That is why you were not all in for Hillary. Don't deprive us of the pleasure of your misery Shreek. We suffer through your ignorance, we deserve to be able to enjoy your misery.

  • Rebel Scum||

    Progressives suck too.

    Indeed. So stop sucking Barry's progressive dick.

    But us independents

    If you are independent then I am the queen of England.

  • UnrepentantCurmudgeon||

    "We" independents. Not "us" independents. Hopefully in your next trip through grade school you will learn the difference between subject nouns and object nouns. I won't hold my breath

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    More Americans are crediting former President Obama for the state of the economy than President Trump, an ABC News/Washington Post poll found.

    The poll, released Sunday, found that 50 percent of voters believe the Obama administration deserves credit for the U.S. economy, compared to 38 percent who said the same of the Trump administration.

    And you don't need a link. Just Google the headline and writer, moron.

  • John||

    Still no link other than the voices in your head. And hey, maybe the Democrats can run Obama in 2020. Or make him President after they impeach Trump for Russia!! How is that working out for you? LOL

  • UnrepentantCurmudgeon||

    Oh. Obama left the economy in great shape because "more Americans" believe he did. Wow.

  • Rebel Scum||

    Poll: More Americans credit Obama than Trump for economy

    Even if true, this a poll and it is subjective. I thought you were a capitalist? Should not a capitalist credit deregulation and tax cuts with economic success?

  • MarkLastname||

    Buttplug is one of those pro-regulation, pro-high-taxes, pro-government healthcare libertarians, like Bernie Sanders.

  • Rebel Scum||

    inherited a sound economy

    I think you mean inherited a stagnant economy that took off because of deregulation and tax cuts implemented by the Trump admin and Team Red Congress. But, you're funny, PB. Don't ever change.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    The economy was flat in spite of Obama and big spenders in Congress trying to really sink the US economy.

  • Rhywun||

    Facebook data leak revelations spur new calls for regulation

    I'm still not convinced this wasn't anything more than someone buying data that was already publicly visible. There was no "leak". Anyway, what happens when it's the Democrats' turn at president and they want to use Facebook data (again)?

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Don't worry, this will all be safely memory-holed by then.

  • Illocust||

    Then this will become olds news that nobody cares about.

  • ||

    I'm still not convinced this wasn't anything more than someone buying data that was already publicly visible. There was no "leak". Anyway, what happens when it's the Democrats' turn at president and they want to use Facebook data (again)?

    Not that I don't take joy in Zuckerberg's leadership being questioned but the whole affair is really very sickening.

    End-to-end not a single crime was committed nor vow or contract broken but we're going to follow Europe's lead and regulate the hell out of people's information for their own good. You wanted privacy? You're going to get it good and hard. You won't have to worry about Russian Hackers stealing American elections ever again. The internet is effectively being nationalized but Trump and his steel tariffs and Putin and Russian Hackers are the real anti-globalist/white-nationalist boogeymen.

  • Zeb||

    Isn't the whole point of Facebook to sell data about users so content and ads can be targeted at them better?

  • UnrepentantCurmudgeon||

    Well there you are. The Russkis were freeloaders on top of all else.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    The Masters is on. I live in nearby Dogdick, GA.

    I'm picking Justin Thomas to win.

  • Libertymike||

    Let's hope that Tiger Woods fails to make the cut.

    ABT - Anyone But Tiger!

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    But its good that he is playing healthy.

    A nice quadruple bogey on the back nine Sunday would be better than missing the cut.

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    All right. There are way too many commenters from Georgia on H&R. This cries for an explanation.

  • Curt||

    We're all related.

  • gormadoc||

    Goes without saying in Georgia.

  • Conchfritters||

    10 million people, 7 last names

  • Curt||

    7 last names?!?! I don't think I know anyone with a last name other than Lee, Davis, or Jackson.

  • MarkLastname||

    Including to your spouses.

  • Rebel Scum||

    I was perusing the YouTube shooting thread. It seems like many people like to make statistical arguments about guns. I refrain from this because statistics can be manipulated to serve whatever conclusion one wants (lies, damned lies, statistics...). Also, they are irrelevant in the context of what the government is actually allowed to do on any given issue pursuant to the authority granted to it and explicit prohibitions against certain powers it might otherwise usurp. You want to regulate guns? Justify the constitutionality of the law you want. It's intended/actual effect has no bearing on whether or not it is even legal to enforce in the first place.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Did you hear about the statistics nut who drowned trying to cross a river? He'd determined the water was 2 feet deep, on average.

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    He also calculated that the chance of someone drowning while carrying a baby camel was statistically impossible, but the damned thing kicked him in the head in the middle of the river.

  • ||

    ...and that was on the return trip.

  • Inigo Montoya||

    "Americans are now (once again) convinced that Russians hate us for our freedom"

    Between intrusive, surveillance-oriented government, crazy gun-grabbers and free speech opponents, plus the feminist/so-con alliance to reestablish Puritanism, soon no one will hate us for that!

  • Ken Shultz||

    Controversy at Google over Skynet.

    Skynet is totally real. I'm not kidding. They're building Skynet.

    "WASHINGTON — Thousands of Google employees, including dozens of senior engineers, have signed a letter protesting the company's involvement in a Pentagon program that uses artificial intelligence to interpret video imagery and could be used to improve the targeting of drone strikes."

    ----New York Times

    http://www.nytimes.com/2018/04.....oject.html

    Yeah, the project is meant to marry things like Google's AI technology to the military's drones using things like facial recognition.

    What could go wrong?

    The quote that really sticks out in that story is this one:

    "Both Google and the Pentagon said the company's products would not create an autonomous weapons system that could fire without a human operator, a much-debated possibility using artificial intelligence."

    Don't you feel better knowing that both the Pentagon and Google promise not to use this technology to do what it's meant to do--now or in the future? I mean, if both a Google spokesperson and a Pentagon spokesperson say something, how could it not be true?

  • Rebel Scum||

    What could go wrong?

    Terminator becomes a documentary.

  • UnrepentantCurmudgeon||

    Suddenly I'm flashing back to "Galaxy Quest"

  • Illocust||

    It seems a silly line to get upset over. People are still killing people, they are just using fancier tools to do so.

  • Ken Shultz||

    Are you old enough to remember "Don't be evil"?

  • Illocust||

    Yeah, a slogan used to justify interfering in the content we see, in case we are looking at something they think we are better off not seeing.

  • UnrepentantCurmudgeon||

    It would be silly, but the ability to "keep boots off the ground" (at least, in appreciable numbers) was a major part of Obama's rationale for why his drone attacks on Libya, Syria and elsewhere not really acts of war.

  • John||

    I don't think the Pentagon would want an autonomous drone. To kill the enemy, you first have to keep from killing yourself. Fire coordination and avoiding friendly fire incidents is the initial concern of all combat operations. First, you don't kill each other, then you figure out where the enemy is and how to kill him. A fully autonomous weapon system would be a friendly fire nightmare. I do not think any military would want such a thing even if it were available.

  • Rebel Scum||

    To kill the enemy, you first have to keep from killing yourself.

    This has also been addressed in cinema.

  • Ken Shultz||

    Picture this technology used by law enforcement.

  • John||

    Sadly, since soldiers are held to a much higher standard of conduct and professionalism than police, that is likely where this technology is going to end up being used.

  • BYODB||

    This, and it's something that I think everyone with more than a few functioning brain cells has seen approaching for a long, long time now. I mean, fuck, they've made movies with these premises. The problem is, the Pentagon and DHS saw those movies and said 'yeah, we'll buy a few of those'.

    You know all that hype surrounding autonomous vehicles? Yeah, what do you think the government wants those for? Something that can identify and react to threats and unscripted events? Gee wilikers, I wonder what else it can do?

    Also, it's absolutely zero percent coincidence that the same company is working on both projects.

  • UnrepentantCurmudgeon||

    Local law enforcement follows the development of military technology closely and it is nothing close to a stretch to picture law enforcement using it. For those who weren't there, the recent 6-part TV Waco docudrama provides a potent picture hijacked the standoff and in fact made it a military rather than police operation. I'm well aware of various mistakes made in the script, but that point is accurate and comes through loud and clear

  • EscherEnigma||

    It doesn't currently. Military culture currently puts a lot of stock on the "kill chain", from identifying a target we *want* to kill, to finding (and conclusively identifying) them, to executing with the minimal collateral. They want a human at every step, from intelligence to lawyers to the guy pushing the button.

    This is partly a reaction to how much collateral damage (and bad press) Bush got for his drone strikes. And why Obama, while significantly increasing the number of drone strikes, reduced the rate of collateral damage and mistakes.

    All that said, the kind of asymetric warfare the US is currently engaged in allows us this luxury. Have no doubt, if we find ourselves in a new "total was" scenario it'll take us maybe a month to field indiscriminate killing machines.

  • BYODB||


    And why Obama, while significantly increasing the number of drone strikes, reduced the rate of collateral damage and mistakes.


    I'd be curious regarding a cite on that.

  • Nardz||

    It also helps in reducing collateral damage if you start statistically identifying all males aged 16-50 as legitimate targets.

  • MarkLastname||

    Yeah, just redefine 'terrorist' to mean almost anyone you'd kill anyway. Obama's really deserved that Nobel peace prize.

  • Leo Kovalensky II||

    Generals gathered in their masses
    Just like witches at black masses
    Evil minds that plot destruction
    Sorcerers of death's construction
    In the fields the bodies burning
    As the war machine keeps turning

  • Ken Shultz||

    +1 Iommi

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

  • Citizen X - #6||

    You're a talker.

  • Just Say'n||

    2nd Best Black Sabbath song

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Symptom of the Universe?

  • Just Say'n||

    I was going to go with a deep cut: Wheels of Confusion off of Vol. 4. But, Symptom of the Universe is underappreciated too

  • Juice||

    Supernaut and Snowblind are better songs on Vol. 4.

  • Freddy the Jerk||

    Dude, WTF? Neon Knights, Zero the Hero, Heaven and Hell, Mob Rules, Falling off the Edge of the World, Time Machine, TV Crime, Die Young, ...

    It's an OK song from their 4th-best "singer".

  • Just Say'n||

    All Black Sabbath after Ozzy left the band is not really Black Sabbath. Only the original four counts.

  • Freddy the Jerk||

    Pbbbt. That's like saying the Beatles weren't really the Beatles after Pete Best left.

  • Just Say'n||

    Not really, because Pete Best wasn't on any album with the Beatles. Black Sabbath's first five albums are classics and all featured the exact same line-up

  • Freddy the Jerk||

    Ah. OK, good point.

  • Conchfritters||

    I'm calling my broker to buy 100 shares.

  • Rebel Scum||

    Prison "porn ban" extends to explicit letters and yoga magazines

    This sounds like a recipe for more prison rape.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    They need to get those homo community numbers up up up.

    Not enough grassroots support for forcing bakers to make cakes.

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    This sounds like a recipe for more prison rape.

    I feel that this is one of those universal comments that is appropriate for any Reason article or comment.

  • Jerryskids||

    You make it sound as if that's a bug rather than a feature of the policy.

  • DajjaI||

    Robert Mueller is stopping Russian tycoons at the border to search their digital devices

    He's desperate. It's obviously a witch hunt. Time to shut 'er down. And again, I am the only person here who speaks out for our President.

  • John||

    He has been reduced to stopping random Russians and going through their cell phones in hopes of finding something. The other thing that tells you is that he doesn't even have enough evidence to get a warrant and instead has to rely on the warrantless search powers that CBP has at the border. If he had any evidence, he would get a warrant and do the search remotely with some kind of malware that would prevent the subjects from knowing it happened. Searching at the border like this is a sign of real desperation.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    One of a few signs of desperation.

  • DajjaI||

    Yup. Also Rand Paul is the only person who speaks out against these warrantless searches, which are a fishing expedition and one of the reason our country was founded in the first place. Another thing, this would chill international travel in both directions, at least for me.

  • Sevo||

    "When will the media accept that Trump is not a criminal target?"
    [...]
    "In terminal medical cases, doctors often deal with patients who move through "stages" that begin with denial. These so-called Kübler-Ross stages can be a long road toward acceptance. A weird form of Kübler-Ross seems to have taken hold of the media. Rather than refusing to accept indicators of impending death, many journalists and analysts seem incapable of accepting signs that the Trump presidency could survive."
    http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/
    381593-when-will-the-media-accept
    -that-trump-is-not-a-criminal-target

    Tony, turd, rev asshole, commie kid hardest hit.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

  • UnrepentantCurmudgeon||

    Not a Trump guy, but I'll speak out for him when I believe he's in the right.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Prison "porn ban" extends to explicit letters and yoga magazines. A federal judge is considering whether South Dakota's statewide ban on porn in prisons is constitutional.

    That is one way to make a bunch of homos, even if only based on their temporary inability to have sex with women.

    I bet the prison guard union is probably against this. There is a balance to keep prisoners from rioting and hurting prison guards while simultaneously keeping prisoners sufficiently divided to prevent them ganging up on guards. Some prisons have over a hundred prisoners per guard ratios.

  • Conchfritters||

    If I'm a prison guard, I'd be selling Hustler magazines under the table to the inmates for $100, and throw in a pack of Camels for another $100.

  • Sevo||

    Doctors are ignorant about A-2 also!

    "Growing voice against gun violence: trauma surgeons"
    [...]
    "...But he had a lot he needed to say. And with his words, broadcast live on local and national media outlets, he joined a rising, outraged chorus of frontline physicians railing against an epidemic of gun violence...."
    https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/
    Growing-voice-against-gun-
    violence-trauma-12806508.php

    Shut up, doc. Idiots in lab coats pitched O-care too.

  • John||

    How about they rail against the epidemic of violence. People really have a hard time grasping causality.

  • Rebel Scum||

    This irks me as well. The violence is the problem. And much of the violence is cultural related or related to the drug war. Speaking of, if you think the drug war is bloody, wait until there is a war on guns.

  • Rhywun||

    I'd like to rail against the epidemic of fake epidemics.

  • ||

    Personally, I gain a little bit more murderous rage every time I hear that the CDC doesn't have enough fucking money to research gun violence.

    Bird Flu kills something like 500 people, worldwide, annually but we get a regular drumbeat about the pandemic. It's funny that all these medical health professionals keep spewing doom from all these different angles, asking for more resources and attention to get them solved and then wonder why it seems like more people are snapping more often (even if they aren't). It's like the medical profession, as a whole, suffers some sort of collective mental disease.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    How is it a sign of mental illness to pursue available incentives that enhance your own importance as well as that of your profession? Seems pretty rational to me.

  • ||

    How is it a sign of mental illness to pursue available incentives that enhance your own importance as well as that of your profession? Seems pretty rational to me.

    Spewing doom, especially falsely, isn't pursuing available incentives and the spewing of doom is almost exclusively aimed at rent-seeking. Also, according to one widely popular definition, the widespread and repeated spewing of doom to no avail is the definition of insanity. There are several different names for this phenomenon but even within the medical community, alarm fatigue is well known.

    This all assumes you're aware of the notion that, "The CDC doesn't have enough money to research gun violence." is really a euphemism for "The CDC doesn't have enough money to enact [insert preferred gun control policy] on the US population at large."

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Rent-seeking is a rational reaction when there is rent available to be sought. So, for that matter, is spewing doom when that seems to be an effective way to achieve one's goal, whether that goal is gun control or just more influence in general accrued to the CDC.

    Sure, it looks crazy from the outside, but if you think about how it looks from the inside, it makes total sense.

  • ||

    Maybe I should've used the term medical health 'professionals' or public health professionals instead of medical health professionals.

  • BYODB||


    It's funny that all these medical health professionals keep spewing doom from all these different angles...

    It's the CDC, most of them aren't medical professionals and the one's who are aren't the one's that generally end up in front of cameras.

    Rule one of being a bureaucrat; justify your existence through fear of what could happen without you and always, always expand your mission as long as it doesn't generate real work.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Then you're just becoming part of the problem!

  • Rebel Scum||

    YouTube shooter's handgun was legal.

    No disqualifying history? **shocked face**

    she had legally purchased and registerd

    Registration cannot stop crime. It only serves to let the government know who has what. And the only purpose for that is for confiscation. The end.

  • Ken Shultz||

    I find these facts about the legal purchases counterproductive. I don't understand why gun rights people cite them as proof that the system as it is works.

    When a gun grabber hears that a mass shooting was perpetrated by someone with a legally purchased firearm, they are not dissuaded.

    If a mass shooting was perpetrated with a legally purchased firearm, that means that the laws protecting the public from mass shooters failed miserably--and we need to outlaw guns completely.

    The gun grabber solution to mass shootings is to outlaw all gun sales. If they're afraid of anything, it's that the mass shooting was perpetrated with an illegally acquired firearm.

  • Ken Shultz||

    Maybe a shorter version:

    A mass shooting perpetrated with an illegally acquired firearm can't be prevented by changes in the law.

    If the kid stole the gun out of somebody's gun safe, how is changing the law supposed to prevent that?

    If, on the other hand, the kid bought the AR-15 legally, then they can argue that changing the law to ban the sale of AR-15s is the solution.

  • ||

    This is a result of and can be rather directly elucidated from the fact that all 'gun control' issues are really 'people control' issues.

    Given an iron-clad 2nd Amendment, if 100% of gun crimes were committed by paraplegics, then common sense crutch and wheelchair control is the obvious solution and the details about forbidding all wheelchairs, wheelchairs *and* guns at the same time, or just wheelchairs to paraplegics who own guns, etc. are hurdles for lesser bureaucrats.

  • UnrepentantCurmudgeon||

    The facts about the legal purchases is not to prove that the system as it is works (just ask Dirty Harry), but that "reforms" of the type sought by liberals are meaningless.

    "The gun grabber solution to mass shootings is to outlaw all gun sales." Never happen. But if it does, I wish you well as you cower under your living room table as the jackboots in black uniforms gather outside your door.

    It can happen here

  • John||

    http://www.nationalreview.com/.....-behavior/

    Ben Shapiro is a putz but my God is Kurt Eichenwald crazy. The guy is certifiable. At what point is someone going to step in and get this guy some help?

  • Sevo||

    LIFE ISN'T FAIR!!!!, digital version:

    "..."There is no equal growth opportunity on YouTube or any other video sharing site, your channel will grow if they want to!" Aghdam said on a website. "YouTube filtered my channels to keep them from getting views!"
    Aghdam's terrible act has drawn attention to growing frustration with YouTube's business model and policies..."
    https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/
    article/YouTube-shooting-highlights-
    rift-between-YouTube-12806471.php

    Shaddup and go write a book.

  • Rebel Scum||

    "All over Europe, legislators and officials are trying to regulate content with 'fake news' legislation and directives," censor and propagandize the public under the guise of trying to ensure accurate information transmission.

  • Rhywun||

    Why everyone got the Pulse massacre story wrong: "The media missed the story because they depended on the government to tell it to them,"

    I think there was also a huge amount of the media telling the story it wanted to tell, facts be damned. If the "government didn't tell it to them", does anyone think the media would have reported things any differently?

  • John||

    If the media is just going to repeat whatever the government tells them, why purpose are they serving? I can just go to the police department web page and read the press release about the incident myself.

    The deeper problem here is that reporters are generally lazy and not very good at reporting. So, they just repeat whatever the government tells them. That not only causes them to get stories wrong, it also makes them dependent on government officials for information and less likely to be critical of the government for fear of alienating their sources.

  • Entropy Drehmaschine Void||

    Why everyone got the Pulse massacre story wrong: "

    I didn't.

  • Just Say'n||

    "A new twist in the great election-meddling caper: Special prosecutor Robert Mueller is stopping Russian tycoons at the border to search their digital devices."

    I could have sworn that I read somewhere how terrible it was to search the electronic devices of immigrants. Should we expect a write up attacking this practice?

  • John||

    It is too bad the FBi didn't make up a story about Trump colluding with Mexico rather than Russia. Watching Reason try and process and rationalize Mueller harassing Mexicans at the border would have been made for TV entertainment.

  • Kivlor||

    Should we expect a write up attacking this practice?

    We should expect a Chapman or Dalmia write-up praising it in 3...2...

  • Tony||

    This "porn is a public health crisis" thing has suddenly popped up everywhere. Which Falwell spawn or whatever is behind this?

    And, excuse me, but are they hoping that prisoners develop healthy monogamous relationships instead?

  • MarkLastname||

    Katherine MacKinnkon is her name I believe.

  • chipper me timbers||

    ^This.

    Feminists own the anti-porn position now.

  • Rebel Scum||

    damikesc|4.3.18 @ 5:07PM|#

    Under the terms of the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, no part of the Army or Air Force may be used for domestic law enforcement purposes "except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress." The act also applies to the Marines and the Navy via Department of Defense regulations, though not to the Coast Guard, which routinely performs domestic maritime police work.
    ...uhh, there are lots of illegals trying to enter the country by travelling through Mexico to do so. The military isn't doing "domestic law enforcement", They are, like it or not, stopping an invasion (no other term for an unwanted mass of people trying to gain entry into a country illegally). That seems to fall pretty squarely on being the military's job.

    reply to this report spam
    Kivlor|4.3.18 @ 5:12PM|#

    "If it's inside of the US, then it's domestic" is my best guess at the angle they're going for here.

    reply to this report spam

    If an army invades you can't use the military within the border of the US in order to defend it?

  • Rebel Scum||

    This is from another thread that I assume is dead now. And it stuck out to me.

  • Tony||

    This is stretching the definition of "war" worse than "war on terror." Even if the brown hordes pouring over the border fantasy you seem to have were actually happening. Sure they can defend against an invader. That's not "domestic law enforcement." Of course, being in the US without proper papers isn't even a misdemeanor.

  • Rebel Scum||

    I never said it was war. The point is preventing people from illegally crossing the border. That constitutes an invasion. And I'm not saying shoot them, just don't let them in. Also, I don't particularly support this move but I don't think it is something to get your panties in a twist about. Countries can defend their borders, end of story.

  • Tony||

    This "invasion" scenario is completely made up by assholes who want to scare racist boobs into voting Republican. Not by Trump--he's simply one of the idiots who believes it.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    A national border being crossed by deplorable Mexicans seems like an invasion to most Americans that are not lefties.

  • Tony||

    I wonder if any of you can link me to any place that shows evidence of the scenario you're describing. Not some bimbo on Fox & Friends reacting to stock footage, but like real data or something.

    I mean while we're doing this fun game where we pretend that this isn't all about protecting the precious white gene pool.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Wow! That was a fast reply. Its almost as if a bot is operating under your handle.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Being American is not a race. Americans are black, white, red, and brown skinned.

  • Nardz||

    The only way it's not an invasion is if they've been invited.
    So who's inviting them?

    If you leave your door unlocked and someone enters your home without your permission, is that not an invasion?
    If a woman is passed out, thus can't stop a man from entering her, is that not an invasion?

    Just want to know if there's consistent logic here, or just self-loathing hatred projected into partisan talking points.

  • Tony||

    It's perfectly acceptable for people to drop by unannounced. They should ring, but if the door's open they can simply peek their head in and try to find a servant.

  • MarkLastname||

    Most Mexicans are white, so your knee jerk default to accusations of racism aren't particularly credible here. Or anywhere else really.

  • Just Say'n||

    You just literally defended the US having a war posture toward Russia because it violates the territorial integrity of its neighbors thousands of miles away from the US. Are you doing some kind of comedy bit here?

  • Tony||

    Is Mexico the state invading the US? Or are individuals just overstaying their visas and not hurting anyone?

  • Just Say'n||

    I don't know. Who is coming across? For that matter, do you know if all the Russians crossing into Ukraine are causing problems? Hell, do you even know if Russians are crossing the border into Ukraine? Should it even matter to us, since it's a thousand miles away versus Mexico which is just south of us?

  • Tony||

    I feel that you're not fully appreciating the distinction here.

  • Just Say'n||

    The distinction is that you don't want our military on the southern border. Fair enough. But, instead, you want our military in Syria, Ukraine, and anywhere else those nefarious Russians are. That makes less sense than those arguing for our military to be on our southern border.

  • Tony||

    And you apparently want to let Russia continue chipping away at international norms and western democracy and freedom. Just like pure capitulation.

  • Rebel Scum||

    "You're either with us, or you're with the Russians". - Tony W. Bush

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Speaking of capitulation. Remember when socialists in France fled their military posts in front of invading Germans?

  • Rebel Scum||

    Also, western democracy* and freedom is being eroded from within.

    *The US is a Constitutional Republic.

  • Tony||

    *The US being the form of democracy known as constitutional republic doesn't translate to "Republicans should get their way on everything no matter how little the people want it."

  • Just Say'n||

    "Democrats should get their way on everything from war in Syria to arming Ukraine no matter how little the people want it."

    This statement is actually true

  • Tony||

    Look man I have no simple opinion on the Russia problem, but you seem obsessed with letting them off the hook.

  • Just Say'n||

    "Look man I have no simple opinion on the Iranian problem, but you seem obsessed with letting them off the hook."

    - Bill Kristol

    You're beyond parody at this point, Tony

  • MarkLastname||

    How do you propose to punish Russia? Sanctions? Already in place and totally ineffectual.

    The next step is war. Do you want war with Russia? If not, then stop bitching about others who dont want war with Russia.

  • Tony||

    War with Russia is not even on the table and hasn't been since the invention of nukes, so stop acting hysterical just like the Russians told people to act on Facebook before the election.

  • Rebel Scum||

    Republicans should get their way

    Burn that straw-man!

  • ||

    If an army invades you can't use the military within the border of the US in order to defend it?

    Technically, the POTUS isn't really supposed to be able to use the military *anywhere* without Congressional approval. Also, technically, there's a decent preemptive question about a standing army that either Congress or POTUS can just deploy at will.

    Given an army, a President, and Congressional approval then there's really no place the Military can't be deployed.

  • Tony||

    It's usually funny when a straight guy ends up at a gay club accidentally.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    I always find it flattering since I'm a bear.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    How do you, Tony, end up at gay clubs accidently?

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    You know Tony is openly gay, right?

  • loveconstitution1789||

    I did not know he was gay. He lies a lot.

    My question still stands. How does he accidentally end up at a gay club?

    I have never accidentally ended up at a club. I have stumbled upon a club. I have been unknowingly taken to a club. I have found a club.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    I've got some zany stories about how I ended up at a string of gay clubs accidentally. Lots of people running through hallways, slamming doors and just missing each other. It's like an Oscar Wilde play.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Like an Oscar Wilde play but with semen everywhere. When I say everywhere, I mean everywhere.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    So an Oscar Wilde play.

  • Tony||

    "Hey drunk friends, unlike our usual depressing douchehole, that actually looks like a fun place to be!"

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    I will not stand by and have you insult depressing hole in the walls. They are the lifeblood of being a true social drunk.

  • Tony||

    Holes in the wall are good. I'm referring to generic heterosexual cocktail and dance venues.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Please go on about holes in walls...

  • Tony||

    I am a man who would fight for your honor,
    I'll be the hero you're dreaming of.
    We'll live forever, knowing together
    that we did it all for the glory of love.

  • MarkLastname||

    Those are actually where the gay guys go to get away from the straight people infesting the gay bars.

  • MarkLastname||

    Straight guys go to gay bars deliberately quite a bit because a lot of straight women go there to avoid straight men; and straight men go where straight women go. No doubt this process of conversion from gay to straight bar is a source of consternation among gays.

  • Jerryskids||

    I heard John Kasich is teaming up with Dennis Kucinich for a 2020 run at the White House, they're just negotiating over which one gets to be the stupid one and which one the evil. They've already hired Johnson and Weld as advisors on how best to present themselves as middle-of-the-road squishes with no principles that might possibly offend anybody. "Can't We All Just Get Along?" bumper stickers are being printed as we speak.

  • General_Tso||

    First debate to be held in Aleppo.

  • Get lit||

    Why Kansas?

  • bevis the lumberjack||

    "A longtime human rights activist, Kunst was protesting outside the federal courthouse..."FRY HER, his sign read, TILL SHE HAS NO PULSE".

    If he's been doing the human rights activist thing for a "long time" you'd think he be better at it than he appears to be.

    Also, points off for not knowing how to abbreviate "until".

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    "at least two Russian oligarchs whey they arrived at US airports,"

    How do we define "Russian oligarch"? Is that just a media term that gets picked up like... "arab street"? For instance, do we refer as Mark Zuckerberg as an American Oligarch, and if not, why not?

  • Citizen X - #6||

    There's an important difference! Russian oligarchs are called that because their businesses are so intimately entwined with the Russian government, whereas Zuckerberg's... uh... hmm. I'm'a get back to you on that.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Well, in all seriousness, that might be a fair description. But I see it thrown around a lot and I don't see context. Here's a rich guy, he's from Russia... RUSSIAN OLIGARCH!

    To this day, I'd still like to visit the shops and restaurants on Arab Street, but no one can tell me where it is.

  • Nardz||

    Rich Russian = oligarch
    Rich American who cycles back and forth between government posts and high paying gov jobs = civil servant
    Ultra wealthy CEO of "American" corporation who partners with gov agencies and politicians = philanthropist
    Ultra wealthy person who owns American media publications, multinational corporations, and partners with gov agencies and politicians = nothing to see here

    American feudalism = representative government

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Pascal-Emmanuel Gobry at The Week thinks we might be going a bit overboard with the Russian scapegoating right now.

    A bit overboard... LOL.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    In Russia, goat scape YOU.

  • MarkLastname||

    Goatscaping is a popular fetish in Russia. It means exactly what you'd guess it means.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    "The media missed the story because they depended on the government to tell it to them,"

    It's how elite journalism is done these here days.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Where were the sort of liberal pressure groups that normally could be counted on to bang the drum about domestic violence, Islamophobia, overzealous terror prosecutions?

    LGBT issues override this. There's a hierarchy that has to adhered to.

  • Just Say'n||

    The sad thing is that ENB actually thinks there are liberal pressure groups that can normally be counted on to bang the drum about domestic violence, Islamophobia, and overzealous terror prosecutions. That's a special kind of delusional.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    That wasn't ENB, that was the author of the huffpo article in the link who wrote that.

  • Just Say'n||

    I am an idiot. My apologies

  • Curt||

    "Putin wins not by actually swinging the U.S. presidential election but because Americans believe that he did."

    Does anyone actually believe this? Seriously though? I know that dems like to point towards this as part of their coping strategy for dealing with the existence of President Trump. But I don't think that any actually believe it.

  • Just Say'n||

    Can I introduce you to Tony or the writers here who were literally penning Russia fever dreams not even a month ago? The narrative is collapsing so everyone is desperately trying to abandon ship by saying "see, you were all hyperventilating over nothing" after just hyperventilating over nothing.

  • Curt||

    I'm pretty sure that most of the articles I've read here have been more inclined to point out that the entire concept is ludicrous. And, about 90% of the time, I think that Tony is just a bot programmed to make arguments representing liberal strawmen.

  • Tony||

    Bleep bloop. Malfunction! Climate change deniers should be executed. Exterminate! Exterminate!

  • MarkLastname||

    I can't tell if this is a deliberate South Park reference or not.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    But I don't think that any actually believe it.

    It's about 50/50 in my estimation. half are pushing a false narrative on purpose, the other half believe the narrative.

  • Tony||

    We know the minimum of what Russia did to swing the election, and the people who believe it most are, like, United States special counsel Robert Mueller and the FBI and stuff.

  • MarkLastname||

    And as civil libertarians, we hold what law enforcement agencies believe in the highest regard.

  • Tony||

    But it's the feds investigating corruption by the feds. Does this present a pickle for you?

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