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Shutdown Day 2: Donald Trump Urges 'Nuclear Option.' That's Not a Good Plan.

Luckily, no actual nukes are involved. But it could be politically destructive.

Bill Clark/CQ Roll Call/NewscomBill Clark/CQ Roll Call/NewscomThis morning, on day 2 of the budget-induced government shutdown, President Donald Trump tweeted: "If stalemate continues, Republicans should go to 51% (Nuclear Option) and vote on real, long term budget, no C.R.'s!"

Supermajority demagoguery is one of the most blatantly hypocritical recurring features of U.S. politics. The moment a party takes power, the members of that party start shouting into the nearest microphone that it's morally and politically abhorrent for the minority party to hold up legislation in the Senate by demanding a 60-vote threshold be met. When partisan control flips, so do the talking points.

It's obviously true that procedural rules in the Senate are partially responsible for the difficulty recent congresses have had in passing budgets. In a closely divided Senate, getting 60 votes for spending bills—as required by Senate procedure—means the bills must be bipartisan.

But even if the Senate turned its focus completely to changing that rule right now, there's no way the government will be open on Monday. For one thing, there's no language for a "real, long term budget" in circulation right now. That budget bill simply doesn't exist.

More broadly, a moment of crisis is the wrong time to consider major procedural changes—it's impossible to engage in a serious debate about the merits of the change when everyone (the president, even!) is hyperfocused on whether it means their team will win the very next vote. But we're always in budget crisis. Continuing resolutions (C.R.s) are the order of the decade. And what's more, this round is even shorter and therefore more frequent; there's currently some controversy right now over whether to craft a C.R. with a 3- or 4-week lifespan.

For now, party leaders on both sides seem to grasp this is not the time to go full Calvinball."The Republican Conference opposes changing the rules on legislation," David Popp, the spokesman for Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R–Ky.), said to USA Today. Senate Minority Whip Dick Durbin (D–Ill.) agreed on This Week. "We have to acknowledge our respect for the minority."

Should a majority party manage to summon up the will to shoot its future self in the foot, we'll all be worse off. A post-nuclear congressional landscape is one in which there is more partisanship, more low-debate up-or-down voting, more whipping, more winner-takes-all-ism, and less compromise.

The first part of the president's tweet was about the underlying conflicts on substantive issues powering the stalemate: "Great to see how hard Republicans are fighting for our Military and Safety at the Border," he wrote. "The Dems just want illegal immigrants to pour into our nation unchecked." This disagreement doesn't go away in an environment where budgets can be passed with a simple majority. Dems don't just throw up their hands and say, "Oh well, we'll just wait until we're in power to do stuff, I guess!" Instead, senators will find even less forthright and more convoluted ways to further their agendas. And meanwhile, elections will become much fiercer and more vitriolic. But Gorsuching will reach epic levels in both parties. None of this is worth it to score a win on this particular continuing resolution.

P.S. The only solution to the budget crisis dumber and less practical than the abolition of the 60-vote majority is the proposal to bring back earmarks so that everyone on the Hill can horse-trade their way passing bigger, more expensive legislation.

Photo Credit: Bill Clark/CQ Roll Call/Newscom

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  • BestUsedCarSales||

    That article went way more anti horse at the end then I would have hoped.

  • SQRLSY One||

    What the hell ever happened to the Cunts-tits-utional provisions for, Congress is in control of the budget? Why does the POTUS get to do a darned thing besides veto, or not veto?

    Policy-Wonk suggestion for Congress: Pass piece-meal budgets, agency by agency, project by project:
    FDA budget for 2018: $15.00, till y'all put yer dicks back in yer pants, and stop being micro-managing assholes! Potus: Veto, or no veto? Veto, and FDA gets zilch for 2018…

    DEA budget for 2018: $27.00, till y'all stop preventing terminally ill, suffering patients from getting pain pills. Potus: Veto, or no veto? Veto, and DEA gets zilch for 2018…

    I think y'all get the idea… WHERE do I put in my suggestion? Will any of the "important people" give a fucking damn!??!?

  • Michael Hihn||

    Why does the POTUS get to do a darned thing besides veto, or not veto?

    Because THIS one is an asshole authoritarian, with ZERO skills as a businessman, thus less strategic sense than 90% of Americans in middle management.

    HE keeps fucking it up.

  • SQRLSY One||

    Yeah man, agreed...

    Did y'all know that about 1 in 10 men in certain areas of Asia, have the "Y" chromosome of Genghis Khan? And 1 in 200 planet-wide? Use this search-string in quotes…
    "1 in 200 men direct descendants of Genghis Khan"

    WHY is this relevant, you ask?

    Well, 'cause The Donald has "the winning gene", and wants to out-do this low-brow Genghis dude!! The Donald-breeding farms "over there" (in Afghanistanistanistanistan) are gonna fire up soon, I'm a tellin ' ya!!!

    If'n ye do NOT believe me about the superiority of "The Donald's" genes, look at the following quotes from that same Donald…

    Quotes from The Donald in the "Anti Gravity" column in August 2017 "Scientific American" magazine follow…
    "I have great genes and all that stuff, which I'm a believer in",
    "God helped me by giving me a certain brain",
    "I have a very, very high aptitude",
    "Maybe it's just something you have. You know, you have the winning gene."

    Google the quotes, they are real...

  • SQRLSY One||

    Trumpty Dumpty, He's quite off-the-wall,
    Trumpty Dumpty won't stay in His toilet stall
    He just goes ahead and takes His shits,
    Totally regardless of whereever He sits
    Whenever He simply, no way, can sleep,
    He Twits us His thoughts, they're all SOOO deep!
    He simply must, He MUST, Twit us His bird,
    No matter the words, however absurd!
    He sits and snorts His coke with a spoon,
    Then He brazenly shoots us His moon!
    They say He'll be impeached by June,
    Man, oh man, June cannot come too soon!
    So He sits and jiggles His balls,
    Then He Twitters upon the walls
    "Some come here to sit and think,
    Some come here to shit and stink
    But I come here to scratch my balls,
    And read the writings on the walls
    Here I sit, My cheeks a-flexin'
    Giving birth to another Texan!
    He who writes these lines of wit,
    Wraps His Trump in little balls,
    He who reads these lines of wit,
    Eats those loser's balls of shit!"

  • Michael Hihn||

    I feel compelled to defend Trump ... but only from that.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    My horse comment really sent you off in a tizzy it seems.

  • Tony||

    Charlie Sheen competes for naming rights of said gene.

  • hello.||

    Why does the POTUS get to do a darned thing besides veto, or not veto?

    He doesn't. He made a public statement on the matter, which he's entitled to do the same as you are. Same as the last president did when his party shut down the government. Only you and Hihny had your mouths so full of that big black Obama cock that you couldn't manage to spit out a word of protest at the time.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Hello
    Only you and Hihny had your mouths so full of that big black Obama cock

    I have already publicly humiliated good-bye here
    http://reason.com/blog/2018/01.....nt_7102325

    So I must ignore this spasm, else I'd be ridiculing the mentally handicapped.

  • Azathoth!!||

    Wow, the senile gibberer who couldn't get elected to an insurance board telling us that the billionaire President with the supermodel wife is a failure.

    Can life get more absurd?

  • Michael Hihn||

    Can life get more absurd?

    We have you,
    with not the slightest clue of what failure AS PRESIDENT means. Or success. You're full of shit about the insurance board. And how many dumbfucks went bankrupt six times.

    (You also FAILED to address what I said)

  • Michael Hihn||

    Her satire was kinda obvious.

  • JoeBlow123||

    Why not just pass a rule if no budget is passed in time then they just use last years budget? No more threats of pet projects attached to other items.

  • Get To Da Chippah||

    What kind of crisis would that leave politicians to exploit? Do you even politics??

  • Scarecrow Repair & Chippering||

    But how far back would you go? What if last year had no budget either?

  • Don't look at me.||

    Only spend what was brought in last year. No budget needed, no deficits.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Budgets also allocate.

  • Scarecrow Repair & Chippering||

    Interesting to speculate on just the opposite -- nothing but earmarks.

  • Agammamon||

    I might be missing something - is there some reason for us to care *at all* whether or not the government makes a budget?

    I'd like to see this shutdown continue until shit is really strained. I want to see how far we can go.

    I want to see the 'furloughed' government workers eat through their savings and then have to go out and find real jobs.

    I want to see exactly how long our troops overseas will keep fighting stupid fucking wars after the paychecks have stopped.

  • Deflator Mouse||

    Some men just want to watch the world burn.

  • chemjeff||

    The problem is, at some point, innocent people will get hurt.

    Plus, "not paying the soldiers" is a time-tested way of starting a coup.

  • Agammamon||

    What innocent people?

  • Michael Hihn||

    What innocent people?

    If you don't already know that, you'd likely not understand the answer. Plus, as we libertarians have understood for decades, governments ALWAYS expands in a crisis, NEVER contracts. That's why they CREATE them,

  • Agammamon||

    The only people I see that are in a position to be hurt by this change are people who were disproportionately benefiting under the previous status quo.

    They're not innocents. And that they're unable to adapt to someone stealing money from other people to support them is not justification for continuing to steal money from other people to support them.

  • hello.||

    Hihn the senile old fuck just wants his social security checks to keep rolling in.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Hello
    Hihn the senile old fuck just wants his social security checks to keep rolling in.

    This senile old fuck has already publicly humiliated hello here
    http://reason.com/blog/2018/01.....nt_7102325

    Any more would be cruelty to the mentally handicapped stalker .... who launched NINE aggressions on this page.

    P.S.. My Social Security check will not be interrupted, (smirk)

  • Michael Hihn||

    The only people I see that are in a position to be hurt by this change are people who were disproportionately benefiting under the previous status quo.

    Look again.
    Or have you changed your original statement?

    nd that they're unable to adapt to someone stealing money from other people to support them is not justification for continuing to steal money from other people to support them.

    That would include the entire "core" middle class.-- $40,000-99,999 -- who slurp at the teet of the rich, since the rich pay roughly half the their entire share of the personal income tax.

    If you're in that average, to eliminate your own teat-sucking would require a tax increase greater than 70%. Look again.

    And if you need to get some respect (or knowledge) of the free-market OUTCOMES you just shit all over. THAT requires a transition back to the private charities that provided -- among other things -- 100% medical care for the uninsured -- regardless of income.

    You conservatives, unlike libertarians, are great at bellowing and kinda horrible on principle.

    Left - Right = Zero

  • Incomprehensible Bitching||

    This is all according to the plan, where Putin invades and takes over America.

    Thanks, DrumpfBot.

  • Michael Hihn||

    where Putin invades and takes over America.

    He took control of the White House with no invasion.

  • hello.||

    The objects of irony never understand it. God you're sad.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Mine was irony too!
    And it's impossible for me to have been the object of his irony.

  • Brett Bellmore||

    The problem is that innocent people will get hurt if the government shuts down, and, innocent people will get hurt if it doesn't get shut down. We're already hurting innocent people on a regular basis.

    So, you actually need to work out which way hurts fewer innocent people...

  • Michael Hihn||

    So, you actually need to work out which way hurts fewer innocent people...

    Or become libertarian and have no innocent people hurt at all

  • Michael Hihn||

    I might be missing something -

    Perhaps everything.

    is there some reason for us to care *at all* whether or not the government makes a budget

    Several hundred of them.

    This is a great example of how anti-gubmint gooberism has destroyed both conservatism and libertarianism.
    Perhaps even America.

  • Agammamon||

    So, name one.

  • hello.||

    If his medicare gets cut off he might have to dip into his pension to buy his own Depends.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Hello
    If his medicare gets cut off he might have to dip into his pension to buy his own Depends.


    This "senile old fuck" (he calls me) has already publicly humiliated hello as a shameful liar here
    http://reason.com/blog/2018/01.....nt_7102325

    My Medicare and Social Security will not be delayed by TRUMP'S SHAMEFUL VIOLATION OF HIS PUBLIC COMMITMENT -- when he was actually Presidential for a few hours, before reverting. Sad

  • Michael Hihn||

    So, name one.

    The total collapse of the economy
    The disappearance of our military.
    Followed by an assault by either Russian or North Korea, perhaps both
    That's three.

  • Deflator Mouse||

    When the Dems get power back they're going to do whatever they want and come up with bullshit rationalizations for it. Note that they were the ones who started the nuclear option for judicial nominees in 2014, in order to pack the courts with Obama appointees, giving the same rationale they vocally opposed when some Republicans unsuccessfully tried to invoke the nuclear option in 2005. So McConnell's tactic of "respecting the minority" will not prevent them from doing whatever they want when they become the majority. The GOP should show no mercy as it will receive none.

    The comparison of the nuclear option to Calvinball is ridiculous. This isn't a game with a beginning and end. The houses of Congress are supposed to adapt their rules to changing circumstances.

  • Rebel Scum||

    "The GOP should show no mercy as it will receive none."

    This. But they won't bc they are spineless.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Not TOO tribal. Dems used it for all judicial appointments except SCOTUS,
    Republicans used it for the MUCH more powerful SCOTUS, to get the Christian Taliban Gorsuch approved, which could be a far greater disaster

    And ... wait for it ... Trump has used that Democrat treachery to confirm FAR more judges. Are THOSE okay with you?

    You forgot to mention Hillary's email server and Obama's birth certificate.

  • hello.||

    You forgot to mention Hillary's email server and Obama's birth certificate.

    Coming from a partisan shill who unironically uses the term "Christian Taliban"...

    You should really consider killing yourself to save us taxpayers the expense of keeping your decrepit brain-rotted old ass alive.

  • Michael Hihn||

    (shudder)

    You should really consider killing yourself to save us taxpayers the expense of keeping your decrepit brain-rotted old ass alive.

    This senile old fuck (as he also calls me) has already publicly humiliated hello as a shameful bullsihtter here
    http://reason.com/blog/2018/01.....nt_7102325

  • Michael Hihn||

    Coming from a partisan shill who unironically uses the term "Christian Taliban"..

    The Muslim Taliban fights for a theocracy.
    The Christian Taliban does likewise. That's what Taliban signifies.
    And WE have constitutionally mandated Separation.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    I heard that the Con Man was some kind of awesome fucking "deal maker" - that must be another one of his lies.

    Shut the shit down for at least three months I say.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Shut down the government for years.

    End social security, medicare, and welfare.

  • Michael Hihn||

    How will anyone get elected on that?
    And why do you ALWAYS shit on the Constitution?

  • Rebel Scum||

    "Con Man"

    Enough about Barry.

  • hello.||

    In order to make an awesome fucking deal you kind of need to be party to it. The president doesn't get to unilaterally pass a budget or continuing resolution. If you don't believe me, just ask a constitutional scholar like Obama. He couldn't do it either when his party shut the government down.

  • Michael Hihn||

    In order to make an awesome fucking deal you kind of need to be party to it

    1) He PUBLICLY promised to sign a separate deal on DACA
    2) ALSO promised to sing ANY bill that hit his desk.

    He aas then talked into breaking his Presidential commitment -- also broadcast -- because it would damage his tiny base -- the ONLY support he has left, since he has shit on everyone else.

    TRUMP KILLED THE DEAL IN HIS WIDELY BROADCAST "SHITHOLE" DUMBDUCKERY!
    Do you watch or read ANY news?

    The president doesn't get to unilaterally pass a budget or continuing resolution.. If you don't believe me, just ask a constitutional scholar like Obama

    When you reach high school, you'll learn that Presidents can kill ANYTHING by threatening to veto it. Balance of powers, co-equal branches and all that icky history stuff.

    THIS blunder of yours is fully documented by the lintard crazies at ... the Washington Times ... which also exposes you as a bullshitter here
    http://reason.com/blog/2018/01.....nt_7102325

    Look up and give Donald a wink, as you deep-suck his tiny cock tomorrow.

  • Azathoth!!||

    1) He PUBLICLY promised to sign a separate deal on DACA

    Whereupon the Democrats tied DACA to the CR.

    2) ALSO promised to sing ANY bill that hit his desk

    That's LOT more expansive than he actually said. But he did say, that if the Congress could agree on a bill that fixes the DACA issue and get it to his desk he would sign it.

    So far, that hasn't happened. The Dems want amnesty with no compromise. The Reps want some compromise.

    But you're already ignoring reality--why stop now, amirite?

  • Michael Hihn||

    1) He PUBLICLY promised to sign a separate deal on DACA

    Whereupon the Democrats tied DACA to the CR.

    (lol) He SHIT ON the Durbin-Graham bill ... as I PROVE here.
    http://reason.com/blog/2018/01.....nt_7102186

    2) ALSO promised to sing ANY bill that hit his desk

    That's LOT more expansive than he actually said.

    You're confusing two different commitments.

    But he did say, that if the Congress could agree on a bill that fixes the DACA issue and get it to his desk he would sign it.

    That was a separate commitment that he ALSO welshed on.
    TWO broken commitments on that alone.

    So far, that hasn't happened. The Dems want amnesty with no compromise. The Reps want some compromise.

    Dems accepted a deal with both DACA and a wall. Trump killed that, too.

    amirite?

    Check those links that PROVE you wrong. By the librul media .... the Washington Times!
    He also told Senator Feinstein that he'd support a totally separate bill on DACA -- broadcast live and seen by over 100 million Americans, at the immigration meeting.

    There are reports that Dems are holding the fire on the shutdown -- until the general election campaign -- when they will flood the airwaves with a video reminding us Trump's promises -- and use that to take back the House and Senate -- in the "wave" predicted by even Gingrich.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    I see that Trey Boy Howdy had to resign from the House ethics committee for misuse of funds. Serves the little twerp right for wasting so much money on the BENGHAZI!! fake skandul.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Remember when Obama okayed Hillary stupid plan in Benghazi that got Ambassador Christopher Stevens and 3 Americans killed?

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    It was a US embassy you stupid numbnuts.

    Remember when Reagan planned the deaths of 241 US Marines in Beirut?

    See how idiotic you sound?

  • loveconstitution1789||

    It was actually a US diplomatic compound not an embassy.

    An embassy has support staff and marines that can number into the hundreds.

    I would point out how idiotic you always sound but we already know how dumb you are.

  • Michael Hihn||

    An embassy has support staff and marines that can number into the hundreds.

    The two are identical, except an embassy is in the country's capital.
    Benghazi had an Ambassador.

    I note you did not even try to defend your Obama crap.

  • hello.||

    The two are identical, except an embassy is in the country's capital.

    Wrong.

    How's that Russia collusion coming along? 1 year and counting.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Citing your own link (lol)

    ORIGINALLY , an embassy referred to an ambassador and staff who were sent to represent and advance the interests of their country with another country's government,

    Today, an embassy is the nerve center for a country's diplomatic affairs within the borders of another nation, serving as the headquarters of the chief of mission, staff and other agencies. An embassy is usually located in the capital city of a foreign nation; there may also be consulates located in provincial or regional cities.

    U.S. embassies and consulates abroad, as well as foreign embassies and consulates in the United States, have a special status....

    Even this is not as bad as your blatant lie proven here
    http://reason.com/blog/2018/01.....nt_7102325

    I admit that I'd be very lonely, if you hadn't visited me here with nine aggressions

  • Michael Hihn||

    How's that Russia collusion coming along?

    Collusion is not an issue. Trump denies it solely to brainwash his cult.

    The issues is conspiracy, which is already known by his campaign staff, and confessed by his son. We have PROOF POSITIVE that Trump LIED when he said NONE of his campaign staff has ANY contact with Russians. Over 30 such contacts have been discovered ... including the one confessed by his son and son-in-law.

    So he's already dead, now maximizing the case.

    1 year and counting

    Look at all you've missed by relying on Fox, Breitbart and Alex Jones.

  • Azathoth!!||

    An embassy is usually located in the capital city of a foreign nation

    Nope. Not wrong.

  • Michael Hihn||

    An embassy is usually located in the capital city of a foreign nation

    Nope. Not wrong.

    NOW you disagree with the official State Department web site????
    So ... you log on as a sick puppet ... for the sole purpose of stalking me ,.. and screw up ever one.
    And saying the State Department is wrong about its own embassies is .....

  • hello.||

    Considering the Clinton Foundation scandal and the hundreds of new classified emails discovered just in the last few weeks, the Benghazi scandal is kind of small potatoes I guess. Although it did get several people killed.

    How much money has Mueller spent verifying that Fusion GPS report in the last year? I bet that could keep your mom's food stamps going another month or two.

  • Michael Hihn||

    The Fusion GPS report created by Republicans to beat Trump in the primary ... then later sold to the DNC for the same purpose.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Eliminate the rule for requiring more than majority vote and ignore the Democrats.

    If the Democrats might win a majority in the Senate, before those Senators are sworn in, make a Senate rule requiring 75 votes for legislation. Then make all Senate rule changes require 100 votes.

  • Deflator Mouse||

    That wouldn't work. Past legislatures can't bind future legislatures.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Congress can make its own rules. The Senate can bind future Senators by making it a rule.

    V SUSPENSION AND AMENDMENT OF THE RULES
    No motion to suspend, modify, or amend any rule, or any part thereof, shall be in order, except on one day's notice in writing, specifying precisely the rule or part proposed to be suspended, modified, or amended, and the purpose thereof. Any rule may be suspended without notice by the unanimous consent of the Senate, except as otherwise provided by the rules.
    The rules of the Senate shall continue from one Congress to the next Congress unless they are changed as provided in these rules.
    Senate rules

  • Deflator Mouse||

    Except the rule-making rule can be changed by a simple majority. This has already been done with the removal of the filibuster for judicial nominees, by both parties, in 2014 and again in 2017.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Shhh, you're not allowed to show that the Republicans were just as bad as the Dems on this ...actually, far worse on the Dems own change!

  • Deflator Mouse||

    Baloney. The Dems packed the courts full of Obama appointees with their rule change, while the GOP only got one judge out of it. And of course the Dems did it first, meaning that if the GOP had stood on principle and left SCOTUS in a 4-4 deadlock, it would effectively be the circuit courts full of said Obama appointees writing the law of the land.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Trump has had a record number of lower court judges confirmed, exploiting the exception created by Dems. PLUS it was REPUBLICANS who expanded the nuclear option to include SCOTUS.

    And of course the Dems did it first, meaning that if the GOP had stood on principle and left SCOTUS in a 4-4 deadlock

    (laughing) They "stood on principle" by EXPANDING THE NUCLEAR OPTION include to include SCOTUS ... else they could not have confirmed Gorsuch.

    Here is FOX NEWS proving you wrong Explaining WHY the GOP could confirm Gorsuch ONLY be EXPANDING the nuclear option to include SCOTUS.

    Their "principle" changes, depending who's in the White House. Just like Trump, they kick Obama's ass ... and then do the same or worse as he did. THAT is how badly they have manipulated you. Shameful of them, or not?

    Left - Right = Zero

  • Michael Hihn||

    Congress can make its own rules. The Senate can bind future Senators by making it a rule.

    Your own cite proves you wrong. The final sentence is quite clear on that.
    So thanks for proving the truth!

  • JoeBlow123||

    Does that really sound like a good idea to you? Jeez.

  • Deflator Mouse||

    If they could do that, they could make a rule that the Senate can never pass anything ever again.

  • Michael Hihn||

    "they could make a rule that the Senate can never pass anything ever again."

    Oh, good. I don't have to type that AGAIN!

  • Tony||

    The idiotic thing is that you're absolutely serious.

  • Michael Hihn||

    He's the right-wing version of you.
    But far worse than even you. :-)

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    End of Q1 NE 3 Jax 0.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    End of Year 1 for Trump. Trump 100 Democrats 0

  • Michael Hihn||

    (snort)

  • Jerryskids||

    Changing the vote-margin rule isn't going to fix anything, it'll just be a few more shitweasels knowing they can threaten to withhold their vote unless they get a fat greasy slab of pork out of the deal. Budget bills have to originate in the House where the GOP has a bigger edge and a larger membership so each individual vote matters less and yet they still gotta slather on the lard to get anything passed, why would the Senate be any different?

  • Telcontar the Wanderer||

    {drives up in metallic turquoise Toyota truck with blood-spattered front grill and a teetering pile of corpses in the back, blasting Dubstep out rolled-down windows}

    WOOH-HOO! SHUTDOWN 2018! WOOOH! Check out these new rims, yo! They're china plates I took from our congressman's wife's china cabinet! I just super-glued them on, works fine. That's her in the back of the pile back there. No, the one with the nose missing. And do you see my new earrings? I made 'em out of a toddler's femurs! Took a lot of trial and error, but I finally got a pair sharpened just right.

    Anyhoo, gotta split! I heard they're having a garage sale down at what's left of the police precinct! PARTY LIKE IT'S CURRENT YEAR, MOTHER-EFFERS!

    {drives away, corpse pyramid shedding bodies left and right, honking at burning wrecks of various cars that litter the roadway}

    GET OUTTA THE WAY, you carbon-spewing shitlords! Bein' a smolderin' corpse is no excuse! I'ma call Al Gore about this!

  • Ken Shultz||

    "More broadly, a moment of crisis . . . "

    Crisis?!

    "P.S. The only solution to the budget crisis . . . "

    Crisis?!

    If the government failed to make an interest payment or return principal on a maturing bond, that would be a crisis.

    This isn't a crisis.

    This is grandstanding.

  • Deflator Mouse||

    It's a crisis for the folks trying to put food on the table with no paycheck.

  • Ken Shultz||

    Are you Tulpa?

  • Deflator Mouse||

    If that's what it takes, that's what I'll be.

  • Michael Hihn||

    You're not as dumb as Tulpa.

  • Michael Hihn||

    I could have phrased that better!

  • Ken Shultz||

    I'd try hard not to cry all night for all the people who don't get paid because the government largess gravy train is running late.

    . . . but instead, I think I'll just be a libertarian.

    I hope all those people are permanently fired for lack of government spending, and if they're incapable of doing anything of value in the private sector, then I hope they wander around in circles aimlessly until they stave to death.

  • Deflator Mouse||

    You might rethink this when Chicomms dance on your corpse because you held to a musket and sailboat era concept of the role of government.

  • Ken Shultz||

    Poe's Law

  • SQRLSY One||

    If the FDA isn't properly and promptly funded… WHO, I desperately ask, WHO will protect us ignorant peons from hurting ourselves, by using devices to help us cough, or blow our noses?!?!?

    If'n ye think I am being hyperbolic, about the FDA protecting us from such things… Please be advised that we can barely scratch our asses these days, w/o a Government-Almighty-licensed physician's approval! "Coughing" with mechical assistance via cheap plastic flute? Don't go there, w/o yer doctor's written permission! Ditto any electromechanical, electromucousal, assistance! See "lung flute" and "ear-popper" via The Google (Who Knows and Sees All!!!), or, at web site www.churchofSQRLS.com

  • Rebel Scum||

    When I point out to people what an absolute a-hole Barry really is, this is my go to example. Closing open air parks and monuments was a dick move (and probably criminal) and he should have been raked through the coals for it.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Barry and Donald are both useless pieces of shit.

    Left - Right = Zero.

  • Don't look at me.||

    Correction: they all are.

  • Michael Hihn||

    True. Which is why the zero. I was responding in kind.

  • Tony||

    Trump raped women and committed treason.

  • Michael Hihn||

    But he was (sing along with me) BORN IN THE USA

  • jbsnc||

    Whatever the author's intent, on balance this article reinforces continued irresponsible Banana Republic government. Last balance budgets 1999 - 2001 (or close) implemented by Newt & Bill. This is now 2018! National debt in 2001 about $5 trillion, after Bush - Obama about $20 trillion. Up $15 trillion. Obama's Shovel Ready jobs? A lie. Keep your doctor and insurance plan and save $2,500? Obama's lie, lie, and lie. Unfunded liabilities? What, about $100 trillion or more. Al Gore's sacred Social Security lock box? All IOUs. Can Al be honest, or is lying a politician's disease? Government by Continuing Resolutions? I am certain the Founding Fathers are trying to dig out of their graves. How are many city/county/state governments doing to assure financial obligations? D, D-, or F+. I would like to vote on removal of all 435 congress trash and 100 senate trash. Get lost author.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Last balance budgets 1999 - 2001 (or close) implemented by Newt & Bill

    Sorry, you've been brainwashed and manipulated by the political elites of BOTH corrupt parties,

    When there are balanced budgets, the debt either declines or stays the same ... WHICH NEVER HAPPENED!
    Here's the debt (trillions) and deficit (billions) for each of Clinton's years.

    FY1993 09/30/1993 $4.411488 trillion
    FY1994 09/30/1994 $4.692749 trillion $281.26 billion
    FY1995 09/29/1995 $4.973982 trillion $281.23 billion
    FY1996 09/30/1996 $5.224810 trillion $250.83 billion
    FY1997 09/30/1997 $5.413146 trillion $188.34 billion
    FY1998 09/30/1998 $5.526193 trillion $113.05 billion
    FY1999 09/30/1999 $5.656270 trillion $130.08 billion
    FY2000 09/29/2000 $5.674178 trillion $17.91 billion
    FY2001 09/28/2001 $5.807463 trillion $133.29 billion

    The bullshit survives because both parties claim credit for it.
    Left - Right = Zero

  • Incomprehensible Bitching||

    And now the Rethuglicans threaten us all with the nuclear option.

    Whatever happened to the checks and balances in the constitution? The rule of Senstecrules? Out the window, as the conservatives try to shove their right wing agenda down the throat of all Americans.

    Please, Mueller: stop the terror that is the Drumpfenator.

  • Deflator Mouse||

    The filibuster is a rule made by a Senate majority way back when, not part of the constitution. The Senate is checked by the House and by the other branches.

  • Incomprehensible Bitching||

    Why do you cuck the Drumpftrain so hard, Deflator Mouse?

  • Michael Hihn||

    Exposing your ignorance of checks and balances does make anyone a cuck.
    Just gives us another reason to laugh at you.

  • Migrant Log Chipper||

    KMW sucks every troll in the neighborhood in with one post (sustained golf clapping).

  • Rebel Scum||

    The federal government shut down? I hadn't noticed. Anyway I have this fantasy that DT will acknowledge "non-essential" federal employees as being just that, and fire them.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Who could get elected on your demand to shut down the national parks, statue of liberty, etc?

  • hello.||

    Don't forget about the ROADS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Michael Hihn||

    THEY AREN'T SHUT DOWN..... BECAUSE THERE ARE NO ROADS OWNED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, hello, OTHER THAN THOSE IN .... THE NATIONAL PARKS I ALREADY MENTIONED!

  • Deflator Mouse||

    conspiracy theory is that NFL rigged the AFC championship for the Pats, but yet another SB with the Patriots probably draws fewer viewers than the Jags would have.

  • OpenBordersLiberal-tarian||

    I wouldn't rule out the possibility. If Russia could hack a US presidential election, it's not totally out of the question for the NFL to rig its own game.

  • OpenBordersLiberal-tarian||

    Dammit, the Patriots won???!!! I don't know any players on the Jaguars, but I was rooting for them because Vice's Twitter told me the Patriots are a bunch of Drumpf supporting jerks!

  • esteve7||

    Jaqs deserved to lose with their fucking prevent offense. Play not to lose and you deserve to lose.

    They put up 14 in the first half then all they do is run into a wall over and fucking over

  • Johnimo||

    The Dems have already used the nuclear option. Does this writer really think that they will respect the Republicans for not doing the same? That's lunacy.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Umm, the Republicans already did ... to MUCH greater damage than the Dems,.

  • Michael Hihn||

    It's embarrassing to watch Trump repeatedly make a public ass of himself. His failures trace to insanely stupid strategy and tactics -- which then traces to his never having been a businessman. Owning a FAMILY business requires no MANAGEMENT skills -- as also confirmed by SIX bankruptcies.

    So he keeps attacking the very people whose votes he needs, as a bully and a thug, but which impresses his core base of goobers.

    EVERYONE saw him personally fuck up this deal -- TWICE refusing a bill HE ASKED FOR!! He agreed TWICE in that televised immigration meeting to a bill WITH DACA ... also said he'd sign ANYTHING they sent him, even if he disagreed with it. HE WAS PRESIDENTIAL! But reverted to assole, when McCarthy threatened him with his own base.`

    THAT is the failure that destroyed his Presidency. By attacking everyone outside his tiny base ... the base now owns him, everyone else knows he's crazy. SMART Presidents go bipartisan, like Kennedy and Reagan, BECAUSE they can then ignore the extremes in their own base (which they did, to great success).

    Then we'll be stuck with Pence and the Christian Taliban. Progressives are kicking ass, which they did not earn on their own.

    Superb, Margaret!

    Left - Right = Zero.

  • Rebel Scum||

    "also said he'd sign ANYTHING they sent him, even if he disagreed with it."

    Yea, the bill was defeated in the Senate and never sent to the president. Shorter Hihn: Things that are not Trump's fault are still Trump's fault!

    "Then we'll be stuck with Pence and the Christian Taliban."

    Because the office of the president is that of a dictator. And preferring not to have private engagements with women while married is the same as throwing gays off of buildings for being gay. Your intellect and perception (or lack thereof...) is quite amazing.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Yea, the bill was defeated in the Senate and never sent to the president.

    Trump said he'd veto it. ... which is called a REVERSAL.
    And you're a liar.

    Your intellect and perception (or lack thereof...) is quite amazing.

    You ALSO lied on Pence's Talibalism.
    PLUS a liar on the bill being defeated . when IT WAS DENIED A VOTE!" (sneer)

    (Boldface added in response to the personal insult, not the multiple bullshit by someone PROUD to be scum)

    Left - Right = Zero

  • Michael Hihn||

    Part Two

    This will further educate you on the TRUTH about a DACA bill. A vote is promised by Feb 8 - not known, at publication, if it will include the Durbin-Graham bill you lied about .... UNLESS Trump reverses a FOURTH time. As Lindsay Graham said, there's nobody to negotiate with at the White House,

    Anything else, just ask and I'll research it for you ... IF you avoid any more trashmouth

  • hello.||

    Post more broken links to the same URL that disproves your point you stupid delusional old fuck.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Post more broken links to the same URL that disproves your point you stupid delusional old fuck.

    This "stupid, delusional old prick" is thereby forced to publicly humiliate hello's latest bullshit

    he Washington Times confirms it was TRUMP who fucked rhe deal by REVERSING his public commitment .... thereby TRUMP causing the government shutdown.

    Congressional leaders have ruled out allowing a vote on the bipartisan Gang of Six immigration deal, backing President Trump but leaving Congress with no clear pathway to a deal on illegal immigrant Dreamers and putting the government closer to a partial shutdown

    The government is shut down on Trump's SHAMEFUL breaking of his public commitment

    Are you and Rebel Scum the only two people IN THE UNIVERSE who never heard President Asswipe's "shithole" attack on the bill?

    P.S. The second link CONFIRMS the first one ,... so you are a PROVEN liar since you hit submit.

    (boldface to AGAIN humiliate aggression by a bullshitting thug)

  • Kivlor||

    They could just not put amnesty for invading savages into the budget, and figure that out separately...

    Everyone's got a hand in this shutdown. But it's certainly more the Dems' fault than the R's. Just like it was the R's fault when the Dems were in power and the R's wouldn't sign a clean funding bill.

  • Michael Hihn||

    They could just not put amnesty for invading savages into the budget, and figure that out separately...

    Trump agreed to ... then broke his commitment.
    (Calling Dreamers "invading savages" reveals your ignorance of what the issue even is -- on top of the shameful potty mouth)

    Everyone's got a hand in this shutdown.

    That's almost as bad as Trump's BATSHIT-CRAZY claim that both sides were at fault in Charlottesville Or that the counter-protesters charged the racists and beat them with clubs, which is ACTUALLY insane.

    But it's certainly more the Dems' fault than the R's.

    DEMS TRICKED TRUMP INTO REVERSING HIMSELF FOUR TIMES -- AND REFUSING DEALS HE HAD ASKED FOR? Who knew?

    Do I believe you -- or Lindsay Graham who was all over the news this morning saying it's impossible to negotiate with Trump and expect him to live up to it

  • Kivlor||

    You ALSO lied on Pence's Talibalism.

    Yup. Up until saint Obama and the Progressives were elected the Christian Taliban was out lynching gays, throwing them off the top of the tallest point, and generally eliminating them all.

    You really are getting more unhinged Mikey. I really urge you to seek help.

  • Michael Hihn||

    You ALSO lied on Pence's Talibalism.

    Yup. Up until saint Obama and the Progressives were elected the Christian Taliban was out lynching gays, throwing them off the top of the tallest point, and generally eliminating them all.

    That's even crazier ... but you're being sarcastic ... and he's a fuking liar,

    You really are getting more unhinged Mikey. I really urge you to seek help.

    (lol) Ready?
    Here's HIS fucking lie

    "Then we'll be stuck with Pence and the Christian Taliban."

    Because the office of the president is that of a dictator. And preferring not to have private engagements with women while married is the same as throwing gays off of buildings for being gay.

    Are you REALLY that ignorant of Pence's positions?
    You already made the mindless comparison with throwing people of buildings. That's the MUSLIM Taliban, not the Christian Taliban.

  • Brett Bellmore||

    "For now, party leaders on both sides seem to grasp this is not the time to go full Calvinball."

    I should point out that in October of 2016, when they still thought the Senate was shortly going to be their's, Democratic leaders explicitly stated that they WERE going to "go full Calvinball" after the election.

    The only reason Democrats think this is not the time, is that Republicans are the ones who'd score the goal if that happens.

  • Michael Hihn||

    BOTH parties are such useless misfucks, eh?

    Look how much of Obama's deficits were created under Bush ... and will continue FOREVER, now $320 billion for 2016 and guaranteed to keep rising. Then they have the BALLS to blame Obama! hahaha

    At least "Barry" saw more jobs in 2016 than Trump in 2017.

  • Don't look at me.||

    Vote them out, vote them all out. Every time.

  • Jerryskids||

    As long as you are so helpfully explaining things to people here, can you define the term non sequitur for me? I'd be ever so grateful.

    Donald Trump claims to be 6' 3", but I've seen pictures of Abraham Lincoln wearing spectacles.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Pay attention. I'll go slow.
    Brett did a typically mindless tribal rant (much like your own)
    I attacked his premise, WITH EVIDENCE, thus NOT a non sequitur. (look it up)
    Don't-look added to mine, that both parties are misfucks

    Tribal robots often yell "non sequitur" when they're own fantasies are crushed. BECAUSE they have nothing of substance

    Left - Right = Zero

  • hello.||

    I attacked his premise, WITH EVIDENCE

    No, you told a bunch of ridiculous lies to try to deflect blame from Obama because you're a Democratic partisan shill with no brain.

    Tribal robots often yell "non sequitur" when they're own fantasies are crushed. BECAUSE they have nothing of substance

    This is true. Sometimes they tell bald faced lies and blame Bush for 8 years of Obama deficits that doubled the national debt because they're shills with no brains.

  • Sevo||

    Mike thinks this:
    "Left - Right = Zero"
    Insulates him from all criticism.
    Mike is a fucking idiot.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Mike thinks this:
    "Left - Right = Zero"
    Insulates him from all criticism.

    Umm, that appears nowhere in this thread. I'll teach you its true meaning and purpose.

    We libertarians have used the phrase for at least 40 years. t's just one of many ways that we argue "no difference" between the major parties.

    See, in junior high math, we learn that if that equation equals precisely zero, then the two values (left and right) are precisely equal to each other in value.

    Anything else?

  • Michael Hihn||

    I attacked his premise, WITH EVIDENCE

    No, you told a bunch of ridiculous lies to try to deflect blame from Obama because you're a Democratic partisan shill with no brain

    I proved you full of shit on that here, with full documentation.
    http://reason.com/blog/2018/01.....nt_7102341

    As for being a Democrat shill, this is the web archive of my published political writing. See especially Taxes, Health Care and Federalism.
    http://libertyissues.com/archive.htm

    (Boldface in response to another personal attack, not his repeated bullshit)

  • hello.||

    Look how much of Obama's deficits were created under Bush

    That would be zero. Each year the administration proposes a budget and then signs or vetoes the spending bills that come before it. 400 billion dollars of carryover stimulus from Bush to Obama in his first year doesn't really account for the next 3 years that Obama ran deficits over 1 trillion dollars per year, or every year after that that added 10 trillion dollars to the national debt. 320 billion dollars is the smallest deficit since 2007, by the way. Speaking of balls, you might want to get Obama's out of your mouth.

    Also, the unemployment rate and labor participation rate are the best they've been since 2008.

  • Michael Hihn||

    FAIL!

    Look how much of Obama's deficits were created under Bush

    That would be zero

    You were proven wrong before you typed that.

    by the way. Speaking of balls, you might want to get Obama's out of your mouth.

    ANOTHER FUCKUP .... this one a reading failure!

    320 billion dollars is the smallest deficit since 2007, by the way.

    You pulled that straight our of your ass. THERE WAS NO SUCH DEFICIT!!! The deficit for 2016 was $552 billion
    http://federal-budget.insidegov.com/l/119/2016

    The 320 billion I mentioned is the subsidy to Medicare taken from income taxes instead of the Trust Fund ... which is how YOUR FUCKING PARTY "paid for" Medicare Prescriptions ... creating unpaid deficits that MUST be included in Obama's budget!!! So ... why do you blame Obama for REFUSING to defund Medicare (the Kenyan bastard) Here's THAT proof.

    For the uneducated, what would have been Medicare deficits depleting the Trust Fund are now (instead) taken from income taxes. UNDER BUSH! Else the Trust Fund would have been bankrupt years ago,
    Left - Rigjht = Zero

    Add it to the proof of your other lie here. http://reason.com/blog/2018/01.....nt_7102325

    (Boldface is response to the trashmouth bullshit by my stalker and GOP puppet)

  • Michael Hihn||

    Also, the unemployment rate and labor participation rate are the best they've been since 2008.

    If you understood what those measure, you'd know that would be impossible without the higher creation of new jobs in 2016, over 2017.

    And since 2015 ended with a much smaller base, the PERCENTAGE increase was greater in 2016.

  • Johnny B||

    Not one of the geniuses commenting on this blog have realized that prior to the 1974 rule change, a filibuster required someone from the filibustering party to actually filibuster. Now, they just have to say they will. So a rule change that requires the minority to actually stand up and hold the floor indefinitely would be a real bonus. Plus it would give the Democrats a forum to explain why they think this is the rock they want to stand on.

  • Devastator||

    Fuck off, everyone knows they don't have to actually filibuster actively any more and just lodge the intent to do it. They're doing it for the same reasons the Republicans have done it, because it's there for them to be spoiled brats. None of this is news.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Fuck off, everyone knows they don't have to actually filibuster actively any more and just lodge the intent to do it. That's what he said! And you're both wrong. Only on the Internet!

  • Michael Hihn||

    Corrected

    Fuck off, everyone knows they don't have to actually filibuster actively any more and just lodge the intent to do it.

    That's what he said! And you're both wrong. Only on the Internet!

  • Devastator||

    Donald Trump is an authoritarian who thinks he should be making all the government policy from here on out. So this isn't really news.

  • hello.||

    Isn't it ironic that this entire shutdown is caused by an illegal amnesty pushed through by the last president without congress?

  • Sevo||

    And David Letterman MUST have asked him about this in his in-depth interview of Obama, right? I mean, he had to ask how tight his watch wrist-band is, whether he eats fried chicken with a knife and fork; all those important issues the legacy press is focusing on with Trump!
    And I'm told on good authority that if you find the disparity obnoxious, why you must LUV TRUMP!

  • Deflator Mouse||

    Letterman is still on TV?

  • Michael Hihn||

    Letterman is still on TV?

    He was when he interviewed Obama
    Do you need proof?

  • Michael Hihn||

    Isn't it ironic that this entire shutdown is caused by an illegal amnesty pushed through by the last president without congress?

    Your pathetic lie is PROVEN as bullshit here

    http://reason.com/blog/2018/01.....nt_7102325

  • Incomprehensible Bitching||

    He's a drumpftator.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Not a drumpfearlier?

  • Brett Bellmore||

    Right, that's why every time some local judge enjoins his policies, he complies with the injunction, because he's an authoritarian. Every would-be dictator acts that way.

    Sheesh. Trump is probably the least authoritarian President in many people's lifetimes.

  • Michael Hihn||

    BRILLIANT SATIRE!!!

  • Rebel Scum||

    Donald Trump is an authoritarian who thinks he should be making all the government policy from here on out.

    Clearly this is why he is deferring to the legislature to, you know, legislate...

  • Michael Hihn||

    Clearly this is why he is deferring to the legislature to, you know, legislate...

    THAT is proven as a lie ... under your other lie -- that the Durbin-Graham DACA bill had been defeated in the Senate, instead of KILLED by Trump ... In truth, it was NEVER never voted on! TRUMP killed it before a vote could be taken .. Reported by the crazy proggies at .... The Washington Times

    http://reason.com/blog/2018/01.....nt_7102186

    Have you seriously never heard of the Shithole/Shithouse fuckup. That is when he killed the bill, reversing his earlier grandstanding.

    Democrats will kick his ass -- and the GOP -- by simply running video ads reminding people of what they already saw -- Trump promising to sign it ... he even said he'd support a separate bill on DACA. He'a a walking dead man, who's also killing the GOP. Has he REMAINED a Democrat all along? He's ALREADY made Obamacare more popular than ever. Good God. He's gonna elect a BERNIE

  • Rebel Scum||

    TRUMP killed it before a vote could be taken

    Did he arrest and lock up the legislature, or something? Or did the legislature fail to bass the bill of their own accord? I believe Trump had said he would sign something if it made it to his desk. So far nothing has. This is a legislative failure, not an executive one.

    Have you seriously never heard of the Shithole/Shithouse fuckup.

    Everyone is aware of this. And even if he did say it, it is another instance of the man being correct, if uncouth. And nothing about it should stop the legislature from passing legislation.

    You are a tedious and fallacious bore.

  • Michael Hihn||

    (laughing)

    I believe Trump had said he would sign something if it made it to his desk

    He did say that ... but fucking broke his word .... and your lies wa PROVEN here
    http://reason.com/blog/2018/01.....nt_7102186
    yesterday!

    You are a tedious and fallacious bore.

    Those damn proggies at the Washington Times say you're lying again.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Have you seriously never heard of the Shithole/Shithouse fuckup

    Everyone is aware of this.

    THAT is when he KILLED THE BILL!

    And even if he did say it, it is another instance of the man being correct

    Huh? He was correct to kill the bill you said he did not kill ... after falsely claiming it had been defeated in the Senate!

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Hihn really had a field day on this dead thread.

  • Michael Hihn||

    It's not dead, as you just proved. As do the time stamps.
    You ran down here for your aggression ...., because you'd made a fool of yourself up top.

  • Mock-star||

    Hey Hihn, Fuck off. Seriously. Fuck right off.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Poor loser.

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