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Pomona College Students Say There’s No Such Thing as Truth, 'Truth' Is a Tool of White Supremacy

Demand expulsion of conservative journalists for reporting on campus illiberalism at Claremont

PomonaPomona College OfficialA coalition of marginalized students at Pomona College are demanding that the president of Pomona (one of the Claremont Colleges) take disciplinary action against student-journalists who write for The Claremont Independent, a conservative paper.

That's not all. The students' letter to the president also stridently rejects the very mission of a liberal arts college. The search for truth is little more than an attempt to silence marginalized people, in the view of these students. Accordingly, the campus administration must revise its commitment to free speech such that no one who espouses hateful views—as defined, in incredibly broad terms, by the offended parties themselves—is allowed to speak at Claremont.

"Free speech, a right many freedom movements have fought for, has recently become a tool appropriated by hegemonic institutions," the students wrote in their letter. "It has not just empowered students from marginalized backgrounds to voice their qualms and criticize aspects of the institution, but it has given those who seek to perpetuate systems of domination a platform to project their bigotry."

The students refer specifically to Manhattan Institute scholar Heather MacDonald's recent visit to campus. MacDonald, a conservative critic of the Black Lives Matter movement, was prevented from speaking by student protesters. The students surrounded the doors of the building and denied entry to other students who wanted to hear from her. Multiple news outlets, including Reason and The Claremont Independent, wrote critically about the students involved in the incident, and Claremont President Chiram Hodash expressed dismay about the censorship.

The students' letter demands that MacDonald—falsely labelled a "white supremacist"—never be allowed back on campus. In fact, all hate speech should be proactively banned from Claremont.

"The idea that we must subject ourselves routinely to the hate speech of fascists who want for us not to exist plays on the same Eurocentric constructs that believed Black people to be impervious to pain and apathetic to the brutal and violent conditions of white supremacy," wrote the students, who apparently believe, mistakenly, that MacDonald is a white supremacist.

Worse, the students' letter comes out swinging against the Enlightenment itself, and brands the search for truth—the mission of a liberal arts college—a false, Eurocentric concept that only serves to embolden white supremacy:

Historically, white supremacy has venerated the idea of objectivity, and wielded a dichotomy of 'subjectivity vs. objectivity' as a means of silencing oppressed peoples. The idea that there is a single truth--'the Truth'--is a construct of the Euro-West that is deeply rooted in the Enlightenment, which was a movement that also described Black and Brown people as both subhuman and impervious to pain. This construction is a myth and white supremacy, imperialism, colonization, capitalism, and the United States of America are all of its progeny. The idea that the truth is an entity for which we must search, in matters that endanger our abilities to exist in open spaces, is an attempt to silence oppressed peoples.

Emphasis mine. I recommend reading the entire letter. Though poorly written, it is one of the more transparent rejections of liberal values from self-professed liberals that I have ever had the displeasure of reading.

The authors are correct that the Enlightenment was an imperfect philosophical movement, and that some of its adherents were racists, or enshrined racial thinking. But the Enlightenment made several important contributions to modern thought: including the separation of words and actions (which students are working tirelessly to undo) and the embrace of reason, logic, and the scientific method (which students are also working tirelessly to undo).

If the truth does not exist—if it is merely a construct—what's the point of attending university? What's the point of accruing knowledge? How is a liberal activist movement ever going to counter President Trump's ceaseless and worrying hostility toward basic facts if it rejects the existence of object reality?

More than 20 students boldly attached their names to this document, which also calls on the administration to expel any member of The Claremont Independent who publishes the list of names—doing so would "endanger the well-being" of the marginalized students.

Since these students see no difference between words and actions, it seems more than fitting to turn their own language against them: in penning a letter that disparages objective truth, mocks free speech, and smears all dissenters as racists, the student-authors continue to endangered the well-being of the entire higher education system.

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  • Kevin47||

    "Claremont McKenna Colleges (which include Pomona)"

    No, the Claremont Colleges include Pomona, as well as Claremont McKenna.

  • Juice||

    Historically, white supremacy has venerated the idea of objectivity

    The shit they can pull out of their asses is truly amazing.

  • Scarecrow Repair & Chippering||

    Truth!

  • Brandybuck||

    Racist!

  • C. S. P. Schofield||

    Not too surprising, considering the weird crap they swallow.

  • Michael Price||

    Yeah I mean do they think that the KKK and the Hitler Youth quoted fucking Aristotle? White supremacists hated economics because it made objective claims about human behaviour that they didn't like, that's how the phrase "dismal science" came about.

  • Juice||

    If the truth does not exist—if it is merely a construct—what's the point of attending university?

    You're seriously asking that question?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    There are no facts, only interpretations. At uni, you can learn how to interpret the loudest.

  • Brandybuck||

    So they don't have to get a job. Duh!

  • freedomlover||

    Graduate school = perennial student.

  • MSimon||

    2 = 5

    Also 3 = 17

    And 21 = 376493

  • Set Us Up The Chipper||

    Maybe a few mortars will teach them about parabola's and ballistic coefficients?

  • Paloma||

    So non white people are liars?

  • Zeb||

    Or by definition what they say is true? I don't know.

    If there is no such thing as truth, why the fuck should we listen to what they have to say anyway?

  • IceTrey||

    Lol. Exactly what I was thinking. The statement "There is no truth"? is always false. If it's true then it's false. If it's false then it's false.

  • freedomlover||

    No. Just criminals that are unfairly persecuted by the whites.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Though poorly written...

    Hey!

  • GILMORE™||

    glass-houses?

  • E. Kline||

    "The authors are correct that the Enlightenment was an imperfect philosophical movement, and that some of its adherents were racists, or enshrined racial thinking."

    Robby, it never fucking stops with you. You'd apologize to a woman for your cum not tasting like vanilla ice cream.

  • Zeb||

    I recommend you find a safe space where you don't have to be exposed to words you don't want to read.

  • rudehost||

    I don't see any issue with him calling out Robby's annoying verbal tic.

  • Eric Bana||

    Trolling.

  • SilentSkies||

    Oh, the strawman argument. A classic.

  • ThomasD||

    No, no. You see, many honest-to-Locke Enlightenment types were racist so the Enlightenment was racist. Meanwhile all the racism in Cuba, or other communist shitholes says nothing about true Marxism.

    Because all the while they are saying "there is no truth" what they really mean is that "there is no truth but my truth."

    Robby cannot call them on the obvious - that would mark him as one of those right wing types.

  • Eman||

    ...not that there's anything wrong with that?

  • Cynical Asshole||

    'Truth' Is a Tool of White Supremacy

    Oh for fuck's sake...

    That's really all I can say at this point about any of this campus bullshit.

  • A Cynic's Guide to Zen||

    False Consciousness, bro-tep. Communism has many masks, many guises, many modes.

    In the end, there aren't enough helicopters.

  • PS||

    Pomona snowflakes claim all Black people are liars. Why bother arguing?

  • freedomlover||

    Exactly! Only they're too ignorant to realize this.

  • Juice||

    More than 20 students boldly attached their names to this document

    Whoa. 20? I can see why this made the news.

  • Quo Usque Tandem||

    Past time for college administrators [that class of bureaucratic holders of sinecures] to grow a pair; testicles, ovaries, something, and not kowtow to a group of "20 marginalized students" who can barely read and write, much less think.

  • ||

    These groups always have ludicrous demands. What happens if their demands are not met? They stop writing asinine letters?

  • georgeliberte||

    Not so bold when 'also calls on the administration to expel any member of The Claremont Independent who publishes the list of names'. Stick up for your beliefs (not founded in truth).

  • GILMORE™||

    MacDonald—falsely labelled a "white supremacist"

    probably still a leader of the Alt-Right, or something like that.

    i am imagining that one of these marginalized voices would perform some rhetorical-judo-move here and demand Objective Proof™ that Heather McDonald IS NOT actually a white supremacist hate-mongering fascist, etc etc.

  • Juice||

    Nah. You need to call them something they'd object to, and if they try to "prove" that they aren't that something, all they're really doing is proving that they're actually white supremacists.

  • Cynical Asshole||

    Since there's no such thing as objective truth, then that means that means that only thing that matters is that they feel that McDonald is a white supremacist. Because truth does not exist, therefore the only that matters for something to be "true" or not is if they feel it to be so. It's all about THE FEELZ.

  • Cynical Asshole||

    Shit, that was some un-readable word salad. Let's try this again:

    Since there's no such thing as objective truth, then that means the only thing that matters is they feel that McDonald is a white supremacist. Because truth does not exist, therefore the only thing that matters for something to be "true" or not is if they feel it to be so. It's all about THE FEELZ.

  • DarrenM||

    If I had insisted there was no objective truth and answer the questions on the college exams accordingly, I'd still be washing dishes. Perhaps now professors just give everyone passing grades and call it a day.

  • ||

    Not everyone. Just students of color.

  • freedomlover||

    No! Students who have the means to pay tuition infinitely.

    One of my great disappointments in attending college:

    At my Alma Mater, UC Davis, the lowest scholastic ranked - graded on a curve - 10% of my freshman class was asked to leave at the end of the first year. We were never warned that this is how they were dealing with over subscription. But, my heart did not bleed when I saw some real idiots, like a former roommate of mine, not return for Sophomore year.

    And yet, a brilliant friend of mine who was attending Stanford at that time, informed me that failing grades were not issued to anyone attending class and taking all required tests on the basis that they deserved a passing grade for their efforts. And, they had no minimum progress requirements. As long as you paid your tuition, you were free to stay.

    I confirmed this at the time through other sources.

    I had long accepted that Stanford was the epitome of fine colleges whereas, Davis was so secondary. But, I could not longer harbor that fantasy after that experience.

  • WakaWaka||

    "The authors are correct that the Enlightenment was an imperfect philosophical movement, and that some of its adherents were racists, or enshrined racial thinking."

    Right there, you have made a stupid and unnecessary concession. At no point was racial animus a central tenant of the Enlightenment. Their argument, on its face, is beyond asinine.

  • chemjeff||

    "Right there, you have made a stupid and unnecessary concession."

    A concession to whom?

    "At no point was racial animus a central tenant of the Enlightenment."

    Who is arguing that racial animus was a *central* tenant of the Enlightenment? . That is a strawman.

  • chemjeff||

    er, that should be "tenet"

  • WakaWaka||

    The concession that any of their argument has merit. And that is not a strawman. I get it. You are with the Maoists, but come up with better criticism.

  • chemjeff||

    "The concession that any of their argument has merit."

    Maybe some of their argument actually does have merit - a tiny part - but theirs is still a ridiculous position to take nonetheless?

    Maybe it is not a "concession" to anything or anyone to simply acknowledge the truth, regardless of who speaks it? Seems to me it's a lesson that both the Claremont students and you could both use.

    "And that is not a strawman."

    Robby said: some Enlightenment thinkers were racist (which is a true statement, according to a modern standard of racism)
    You said: Whoa whoa, who is saying racism was a central tenet of Enlightenment thought???

    Answer: no one is.

    " I get it. You are with the Maoists"

    And finished off with an ad-hominem. I get it. I think we're done here.

  • Paloma||

    And some Progressive thinkers were racists.

  • ThomasD||

    "And finished off with an ad-hominem."

    LOL.

    Yes, I'd say pot has met kettle, and you are finished.

  • Radioactive||

    that would be Pol Pot & Ma Kettle...

  • Zeb||

    I think the point has been made and Robby has decided that he's not going to change. Do you really think that just one more time pointing out something like this and he'll change his ways?

    Anyway, conceding part of your opponents argument is a common rhetorical technique, and really a very good one. You lose a lot more credibility if you always speak as if your opponent is completely wrong about everything in all cases and what you are defending is perfect and beyond reproach. Nothing is perfect, everything is messy and you might as well acknowledge it up front to disarm potential arguments from the other side.

    Of course, these people may be beyond reasoning with. But there are others on the fence who might still respond to reasoned arguments and logic and stuff.

  • WakaWaka||

    Agree with the strategy, but I cannot disagree with the concession? It is an unnecessary and untruthful concession.

  • chemjeff||

    Here is Voltaire describing what he thinks of blacks:

    "It is a serious question among them whether the Africans are descended from monkeys or whether the monkeys come from them. Our wise men have said that man was created in the image of God. Now here is a lovely image of the Divine Maker: a flat and black nose with little or hardly any intelligence. A time will doubtless come when these animals will know how to cultivate the land well, beautify their houses and gardens, and know the paths of the stars: one needs time for everything."

    I can only describe that as racist. What do you think?

    Again no one is saying that Voltaire's views represent all of Enlightenment thought or that this type of racism was central to the Enlightenment in any way.

  • Zeb||

    I think it's fair to say that people were pretty broadly racist back then. The prevailing theories about the different races of humanity were pretty racist (pretty much by definition). And a lot of those ideas didn't really lose currency until the mid 20th century.

    We shouldn't be saying "no way, the enlightenment wasn't racist". We should be saying that the racist ideas that people commonly held back then take nothing away from the excellent, revolutionary ideas of the enlightenment which should be judged on their own merits.

  • chemjeff||

    "We should be saying that the racist ideas that people commonly held back then take nothing away from the excellent, revolutionary ideas of the enlightenment which should be judged on their own merits."

    AMEN.

    It is anti-Enlightenment to try to deny the truth in an attempt to defend the Enlightenment.

  • Eman||

    Also, wasnt ending slavery in this country basically an extension of enlightenment principles to Black and Brown Bodies (tm)? Most peoples ideas about race, for most of history, would be "deplorable" by today's standards. what's maybe more important is were they less racist than their parents?

  • DarrenM||

    So, what do you think various non-white groups thought about other races or ethnicities at that time? Do you honestly think they didn't have similar positions?

  • Careless||

    Just how many tribes have words for themselves that mean something like "the true people"? It's a lot.

  • Zeb||

    The part you quoted seems true enough. I don't know about what was claimed in the original letter.

    The thing is, you do have to face these criticisms. Thomas Jefferson banged his slaves, for example. That's some shady behavior. He still contributed a lot of great arguments for liberty and self determination and is worth reading and understanding. But people are going to throw that in your face and you have to deal with it.

    Maybe it's hopeless, but one of my great frustrations right now is that it has become nearly impossible to even talk to anyone on "the other side" politically. People have their own completely detached views of reality. I think it's worth at least trying to acknowledge the small areas where you can actually agree (or even concede if what you are conceding is in fact true) to establish some basis for actual communication.

    But maybe I'm too optimistic. Some people may be too far gone to reach, I suppose.

  • chemjeff||

    Incidentally the right pulls the same type of stunt too. They will often bring up Margaret Sanger's support for eugenics in order to denigrate and delegitimize abortion. And the left responds in the same predictable way that WakaWaka does here, by pretending to deny that Sanger really wasn't a eugenicist. Yeah, she was, just like a lot of early 20th century progressives were.

    We really need a new name for this type of logical fallacy. Maybe argumentum ad historium? The fallacy that if someone in the past associated with some movement was "bad" in some way, that the badness from that person delegitimizes the entirety of the movement.

  • ||

    Argumentum ad Pinochetem?

  • IceTrey||

    Argumentum ad Malusium

  • ThomasD||

    To argue that Sanger's support for abortion was not predicated on her eugenic theories is laughable. She had no regard for the autonomy or rights of those she deemed undesirable. She was not advocating access to or choice about abortion for their sake, she was advocating abortions be inflicted upon them it for her sake.

    So, yes there is a difference.

  • freedomlover||

    So, was she so wrong?

    Would our lot not be improved by selective breeding in the same way we made massive strides in ag production via this methodology?

  • freedomlover||

    No need for a new name. It's already known as perfectionism. And, no one is. Thus, no matter how much we might delight in the words and actions of historical figures, if we expect them to be perfect in order for their words and deeds to be considered legitimate, we are going to be sorely disappointed.

    Haven't many tomes been written about mans own struggles with imperfection?

  • DarrenM||

    That's some shady behavior.

    So you have a problem with interracial sex?

  • Mickey Rat||

    "Of course, these people may be beyond reasoning with"

    May be? Their statement denies the very existence of reason except as an oppressive force.

  • Not a True MJG||

    Hiss! Concessions!

    If you're actually trying to convince some of these people, refusing to concede an obvious fact - that some 18th century Enlightenment thinkers also commented on race in awful 18th century ways - will just cause them to dig in their heels and distrust you.

  • Finrod||

    Except that facts are racist, so why concede a damned thing? Call their 'facts' racist, throw their argument right back in their smug faces.

  • Cynical Asshole||

    Though poorly written...

    Of course it is.

    Currect grammer, sintax, and speling are tuls of white supremeacy used to perpetchuate systems of oppreshun. U'd no that if u were moar woke. /derp

  • Cynical Asshole||

    More than 20 students boldly attached their names to this document, which also calls on the administration to expel any member of The Claremont Independent who publishes the list of names

    So they were willing to sign their names, but don't want to anyone to know. I guess maybe they're a tiny bit smarter than they seem. At least on some level they seem to realize that they should be ashamed of themselves.

  • chemjeff||

    "How is a liberal activist movement ever going to counter President Trump's ceaseless and worrying hostility toward basic facts if it rejects the existence of object reality?"

    With better narratives?

  • GILMORE™||

    pretty much.

    "with the compliant aid of a media desperate to pretend that these activists represent something other than a politically-illiterate, juvenile lunatic fringe"

  • chemjeff||

    It's not "the media" who is portraying these campus illiberals as mainstream, it's the *conservative* media, who then takes these anecdotes and then extrapolates all the way to "see? see? college is just re-education camps for progressivism!" From my point of view, "the media" is downplaying and/or ignoring all of these protests.

  • WakaWaka||

    This is beyond bizarre. Conservative media invented the Young Americans for Liberty being denied access to college campuses? They invented riots in Berkeley? They invented the whole crisis of illiberalism on university campuses?

    I get that you identify with these Maoists and you don't want to recognize censorship being done by your tribe with public dollars, but no matter how much you ignore, it is still happening.

  • chemjeff||

    No. In my opinion, conservative media are the ones, generally speaking, who are sensationalizing these stories and using them to push an an anti-college narrative.

  • Kevin47||

    Nothing says "sensationalizing" like simply linking to a primary document and quoting from it.

  • damikesc||

    Can you name a SINGLE example of a conservative group shouting down a speaker?

    Or rioting over a speaker?

    Or destroying posters/literature promoting the appearance of a speaker?

    No, you cannot. And it's not due to a lack of rather far-left speakers on college campuses. This is why a nothing official becomes an evil person for criticizing the way the Obama daughters behaved (remember that? It was major news for a few days) while lunatics chewing out Ivanka in front of her kids on an airplane is far less of a major story.

    These are relevant stories that you wish to gloss over. I cannot blame you for that.

  • ||

    "Invented" is a strong word.

    But case in point, Pomona College has about 1,600 students. 20 of those students signed this letter. 1,580 didn't, and I'll bet a slightly smaller number than that had no idea about it.

    Thus, "crisis of illiberalism on university campuses" is maybe a strong descriptor for what is actually going on, but is nevertheless a common theme in current Team Red opinion pages.

    I also wouldn't go so far as to say ""the media" is downplaying and/or ignoring all of these protests." Each "side" is looking to make them serve their own purposes - either noble warriors against fascism or scary jackbooted crowds of Progressive thugs coming for your opinions. Neither of these is true.

  • chemjeff||

    Exactly.

  • Kevin47||

    The girl who called asking for money tonight had. Sample size of one, I know, but I think the students are generally aware of it. This partly owes to the fact the CI is good at promoting its stuff and partly to the fact The Atlantic has a couple of alums who have been beating the drum on the issue of campus censorship.

    That said, there is literally no chance Oxtoby offers any concessions beyond a patronizing little note.

  • damikesc||

    How many students do you think it takes to radically change a university? It's a lot less than you think, especially when you consider that the faculty supports it.

  • GILMORE™||

    It's not "the media" who is portraying these campus illiberals as mainstream

    I was referring to the wider #RESISTANCE-politics, and not just your random-campus-kerfuffle, but whatever.

    If, as you say, its the "Conservative" media making such an unwarranted to-do about this whole thing, how exactly do you explain Robby's dedication to the topic?

    And are places like FIRE, Campus Reform, et al, de-facto "conservative"?

    Its not like Lukianoff and Haidt were conservative activists before deciding to highlight this issue. Both, from what i recall, were liberal democrats.

  • damikesc||

    That these campus illiberals can perform their street theater repeatedly with literally zero negative impact on themselves is proof that it is mainstream on campus and supported by the administration.

    The media ignores it because they tend to ignore anything that disagrees with their narrative. Why do you think "TRUMP IS A RUSSIAN AGENT" has disappeared so completely with nobody apologizing for being, you know, really incorrect on the assumption?

  • chemjeff||

    And I wish I were only joking. Sadly I think the strategy of dueling narratives has won out over the strategy of evidence-based or fact-based campaigns, on all sides really.

  • Tomblvd||

    So what was the "narrative" that prevented these numerous groups and individuals from appearing on campus?

  • Finrod||

    Well, when one side is vested in ignoring, nay denigrating objective reality, what did you expect?

  • chemjeff||

    "One side"? Which one is this?

    Would this be the side that believes 20% of college women are raped? Or would this be the side that believes illegal immigrants increase the level of serious crime in this country?

  • Azathoth!!||

    Or would this be the side that believes illegal immigrants increase the level of serious crime in this country?

    Why do you need a vague qualifier here?

    Because without it you can't say 'both sides'/

  • MarkLastname||

    No, there never was a time when narratives didn't win out. Evidence doesn't excite and mobilize people; narratives do.

  • Scarecrow Repair & Chippering||

    Every time I see one of these reports, I try to imagine when it is justified using violence against mere speakers. Start with Hitler, of course. Would people have been justified using violence against proto Nazis before 1933? And the answer is obvious, that there was violence against the Nazis, and all it did was embolden them, give them more publicity, make the violent protesters look, well, violent, and give the Nazis all the excuse they could have hoped for to justify their own violence.

    In short, I can never come up with any rational justification for ever using violence to shut up mere speakers.

  • ||

    In short, I can never come up with any rational justification for ever using violence to shut up mere speakers.

    The problem is, hoards of violent unthinking ghouls are being actively courted and cultivated by (at least) one team.

  • Fascist loofa-faced shitgibbon||

    "More than 20 students boldly attached their names to this document"

    Although all 20 had to admit that they don't believe the document contains any "truth".

  • Fascist loofa-faced shitgibbon||

    I'd be more impressed if their document read:

    "Well, that's just like, your opinion, man."

  • steve walsh||

    FFS, why are these morons in, and spending money on, college in the first place?

  • Zeb||

    So they can do exactly this. You can't get away with this shit in the real world. A lot of schools market themselves as places where students can get involved with activism of various sorts.

  • Ron||

    many schools have social justice degrees now so their entire four years is spent learning how to be ass'

  • DarrenM||

    I'm sure many of them are just naturally talented in that respect. They're just looking for the degree.

  • ||

    The magic of OPM

  • Kevin47||

    Colleges like Pomona are sufficiently desperate for diversity they dramatically lower admissions standards for desirable (read: not Asian) minorities, most of whom are paying nothing remotely close to full freight. From day one, they are placed in "sponsor groups" with members of their own race, pressured to join race-based organizations, and generally have zero interaction with the rest of the student body.

    In general, it kind of works out for everyone, except when they embarrass the school by taking to the internet.

  • Seamus||

    Because it's daddy's and mommy's money, not theirs.

  • steve walsh||

    FFS, why are these morons in, and paying for, college in the first place?

  • Cynical Asshole||

    Because they're morons with no useful knowledge, skills, or talents that any employer would be willing to actually pay them for. Nor do they have the requisite drive to develop any useful skills or any desire to grow the fuck up. So college, for them, is just an excuse to waste 4 years and a shitload of money before starting their lifelong career as a barista or some shit, all the while blaming those "systems of oppression" that they blather on about for them being complete, abject failures at life.

  • Kevin47||

    "for them, is just an excuse to waste 4 years and a shitload of money before starting their lifelong career in the public sector or some community organizing group,"

    FTFY

  • Cynical Asshole||

    Sadly, you're probably right. And they're probably going to end up being very well paid despite being useless, mouth breathing retards.

  • John C. Randolph||

    Sounds to me like MacDonald has a libel case against the snowflakes who signed this letter, if she wants to go that way..

    -jcr

  • JSB Morse||

    Dear Pamona students, is it TRUE that Truth is just a "construct" of racists?

  • Dylboz||

    Who determined these kids were "marginalized?" How so? By whom? In what ways? They're already attending a West Coast Ivy (probably on scholarship). How marginalized could they possibly be? I think they might want to start their examination of truth right there.

  • Cynical Asshole||

    How marginalized could they possibly be?

    All that matters is they FEEL like marginalized "victims." Since objective truth is a racist construct, all you're left with is their FEELZ, and refusing to validate their feelings is TEH RACIST.

    Or something like that.

  • OldMexican Blankety Blank||

    The idea that the truth is an entity for which we must search, in matters that endanger our abilities to exist in open spaces, is an attempt to silence oppressed peoples.


    I see what you mean by 'poorly written', but if what I understood is correct, what these students are saying is that the search for truth that could contravene our cherished beliefs is something that only biggots or oppressors would endeavor to do because they harbor bad faith towards others. In essence, that proposition is not removed at all from religious exhortations to stamp out heresy and blasphemy.

  • Dylboz||

    At least they used the word "people" after "Black and Brown." I'm so sick of hearing people called "bodies." Talk about reductive objectification! You're not a body till you're dead.

  • chemjeff||

  • OGREtheTroll||

    Sterling Archer: Oh my god! You killed a hooker!

    Cyril Figgis: Call girl!

    Sterling Archer: No Cyril! When they're dead they're just hookers!

  • Half-Virtue, Half-Vice||

    The FACT of inescapable and inevitable death for all -- gives me comfort right now.

  • Charles Easterly||

    Is this an accurate representation of President Oxtoby's e-mail?

  • Unicorn Abattoir||

    More than 20 students boldly attached their names to this document, which also calls on the administration to expel any member of The Claremont Independent who publishes the list of names—doing so would "endanger the well-being" of the marginalized students.

    Authored by:
    Dray Denson PO '20
    Avery Jonas PO '20
    Shanaya Stephenson PO '19

    Co-Signatories:
    Victor Bene PZ '19
    Bemnet Gebrechirstos SC '19
    Jordan Howard-Jennings HMC '19
    Gabby Snowden SC '19
    Eliamani Ismail SC '20
    Katarina Figueroa
    Karé Ureña PZ '18
    Leandra Vargas PZ '18
    Malaika Ogukwe PO '19
    Journey Simmons PO '20
    Mazvita Nyamuzuwe SC '20
    Noemi Delgado PZ '19
    Sherlan Lord PZ '19
    Leya Solomon PO '19
    Vanessa Akinnibosun SC '19
    Zemia Edmondson PO '20
    Neyissa Desir PO '19
    Sega Birhane HMC '20
    Ramonda Giddings HMC '17
    Matt Simon HMC '18
    Jillian Cardamon HMC '20
    Jasmine David PO '19
    Justis Allen HMC '17
    Donely Gunn HMC '18

  • ReasonableStag||

    Not one CMC student.

  • Jen G.||

    From what I remember, that's because they are all too busy trying to get over their hangover.

  • Kevin47||

    They also want things like jobs when they graduate.

  • ReasonableStag||

    Both can be true.

  • macsnafu||

    Here's the problem with a subjective argument like this. If there is no absolute truth, then what justification do they have for denying other people THEIR own truth? I mean geez, it's not like anybody is forced to go listen to a speaker on campus. All they really had to do was not attend. Instead, they decided that their truth was somehow MORE true than anyone else's truth, and justified coercively preventing other people from listening to a speaker.

    Without a proper, meaningful context, what they said and did was essentially incoherent; absurd, meaningless babblings.

  • Not a True MJG||

    They had the power to do it. That's the only truth that matters.

  • ||

    The idea is that since there is no truth, the only thing that your statements are to be evaluated by is cui bono. You're either coming from a perspective that is "allied" to the persecuted, or you are devising persecuting narratives for your own benefit.

    "Truth," in this view, is a red herring - it really is about competing narratives and who's narrative oppresses whom. An attempt to privilege a particular narrative based on a quixotic notion of "truth-value" is seen as avoiding the central issue and instead bullying-via-process.

  • Paloma||

    Who decides who is "the persecuted"?

  • Free Society||

    Pomona College Students Say There's No Such Thing as Truth, 'Truth' Is a Tool of White Supremacy

    So is their claim....true?

  • IceTrey||

    Can't be because then it would negate itself.

  • ace_m82||

    Look, trying to catch a logically inconsistent person in a logical inconsistency is neither difficult nor helpful.

    They are idiots, and they don't really mind all that much.

  • Not a True MJG||

    If the truth does not exist—if it is merely a construct—what's the point of attending university? What's the point of accruing knowledge?

    To gather useful knowledge? It need not be truthful to be useful!

  • JoelKatz||

    If it cannot be true that the knowledge is useful, it cannot be useful knowledge.

  • R. S. Ewell||

    Thanks. I needed this. One more reason I'll never work in "education".

  • Sigivald||

    self-professed liberals

    They call themselves Progressives for a reason, I guess.

  • R. S. Ewell||

    Australian historian Keith Windschuttle wrote a ground-breaking historiography on this phenomenon of contemporary tribalism and how we got there. It's called The Killing of History: How Literary Critics and Social Theorists Are Murdering Our Past (The Free Press, 1997, ISN 9780684844459). Even if one disagrees with his theory, his presentation is a model for the well-reasoned argument. What's sad is his complaint appears to be a voice in the wilderness. I suppose some may disregard it because it comes from Australia and concerns the discipline of history, but it's no accident that Australia is number two on the United Nations' Human Development Index, while the U.S. is number eight. I highly recommend it to anyone interested in civil liberties and critical thinking.

  • Alcibiades||

    Also "The Higher Superstition: The Academic Left and its Quarrels" by Gross and Levitt which is an outstanding expose of this kind of intellectual excrement that often passes for scholarship in the academy. This was the book that triggered the "Sokal Affair".

  • R. S. Ewell||

    Also . . . Have you ever been to Pomona? It's pretty smoggy. The kids' fuzzy thinking could be an environmental issue. Let's hope so.

  • el jaguar||

    It's racist of them not to call Heather Mac Donald out for being racist against Latinos. That clearly proves that they themselves are racist and should therefore be denied any platform on which to express their racist views at the institution wherefrom their education is being received by them. We cannot allow them to continue to abjerate the right of Latino people of all musical genres to exist.

  • Longtobefree||

    SO, unless they themselves are White Supremacists, they do not have the truth. QED
    But then, it is just California. So secede already!!!

  • gclancy51||

    Why does Reason obsess of these American campus stories so much? You give me the impression all university's are nowt but a breeding ground for insanity. Surely most people there are just learning?

  • sparkstable||

    It only takes an active minority to create a killing field. Because most people are weak willed and shy in the face of threats, the majority keeping their head down makes them, in some regard, tacitly complicit (at least it could be argued as such by some). The inactivity of of the masses can not be seen as total rejection of the minority. Look at our voter turnout. We elect leaders with what? Only 1/4 of the US populations active vote for a given president? That means that 3/4 DID NOT vote for the winner so there's no need to be alarmed, right?

    (Napkin math numbers by the way... didn't take time to look them up).

  • timbo||

    I'm sure they are learning some economics and Shakespeare but each and every lesson is surely slanted towards some sort of politicized end. When I went to college, almost every single subject had a tint of global warming to it so I am sure that everything is much worse now.

    You know something is horseshit when it becomes politicized. It is obvious that almost everything at the college level is politicized now.

  • JoelKatz||

    It seems they removed the text of the letter. You can still find it at this link:
    https://archive.is/Dm2DN

  • Careless||

    Nope, it's still there.

  • cc2||

    1) Deconstructionism (there is no truth) leads to it's own contradiction. If there is no truth why should we listen to you? They have constructed a new reality in which the only thing that counts --even more than truth--is level of victimhood. It does not occur to them that most ideas in the world have nothing to do with victims or oppression. Freedom? Free will? Virtue? Economics? Physics? Faith? Love? Children laughing? Friendship? Equally applicable whatever color you are and found in every culture ever. Nothing to do with patriarchy or capitalism.

    2) Students at these schools are totally elite yet insist they are marginalized. From my experience in college, I can honestly say that the school took no interest in me, didn't give a flip. And why should they? These students have their own student centers and advisors fawn over them--perhaps fawning isn't enough? Where did they get the idea that the world should notice them? There are 9 billion people on Earth, you aren't special.

  • generalisimo14||

    or post structuralism

  • Chip Your Pets||

    We don't want the truth? We can't handle the truth!

  • ReasonableStag||

    Please be careful about using Claremont and Pomona interchangeably. The difference between CMC and Pomona is not merely symbolic. They are very different colleges with very different philosophical bents.

    Pomona students have been ruffled about the mere existence of the Claremont Independent for years (who's home college is CMC), if not decades. When I was at CMC 10 years ago, the Pomona Student paper was basically in a constant state of outrage over the Independent (I had/have no affiliation with the magazine.) I knew plenty of CMC progressives who didn't like the CI themselves, but they responded by starting/writing in their own magazine; the Claremont Port Side.

  • Sevo||

    I'm not gonna cruise the entire thread, but if their premise is correct, it is automatically false; internal contraction makes it a worthless statement.
    Simply, if truth is false, what they've stated cannot be other than false. Sokal got this in his book on PoMo.
    (Ooops. Now I look two posts up and find cc2 beat me to it).

  • Who needs a reason?||

    The link to the letter appears to have been severed.
    .

  • Stilgar||

    Get that school some wood chippers. Is there no end to this type of drivel?

  • Dread Pirate Roberts||

    Tuition at Pomona College: $47,620 per year (without room and board).

  • timbo||

    A fool and his money soon part.

  • Careless||

    I note that only 6 of the co-sigs were from Pomona. The rest were from other Claremont colleges.

  • Rebel Scum||

    Pomona College Students Say There's No Such Thing as Truth, 'Truth' Is a Tool of White Supremacy

    You cannot even parody these idiots.

  • damikesc||

    Why do black student groups have such a burning desire to prove every racist correct by acting like they're incapable of the most basic grasping of fundamental educational concepts?

    Perhaps the college should kick them out, since they are clearly incapable of performing the most basic tasks of a student, and refund their money since they failed these idiots so spectacularly.

  • Ron||

    More than likely their letter was a Logics Class class assignment so they won't be kicked out for this dribble but they will get an A in class for proving their own false enlightenment.

  • freedomlover||

    "Why do black student groups have such a burning desire to prove every racist correct by acting like they're incapable of the most basic grasping of fundamental educational concepts?"

    Because they don't want to "act white"!

    Many historical zealot despots have embraced the same ideology of keeping the masses stupid and unenlightened for their own purposes. Book burners, banners, Islamists........the list is large.

  • Feiel||

    The question over whether or not "truth" exists is legitimate and is a major topic of discussion in philosophy.

    Robby's contempt here is obviously personal, as it always seems to be.

  • ThomasD||

    If it is a philosophical discussion then it should also be considered the proper topic for an academic discussion.

    I was not aware that suppressing one side of an academic debate was considered acceptable.

  • OGREtheTroll||

    These students aren't debating the merits of Foucault here.

    But they are trying to weaponize his language in order to obtain power. And the terrible irony is that they object to the current power structure by demanding implementation of their own power structure. One that would go to great lengths to rectify the perceived injustices of history. Rights and Freedom are, like Truth, just social constructs after all. All that really matters is who controls the hierarchies of power.

    Fuck me, how I hate postmodernists...

  • timbo||

    Exactly OGRE! Postmodernism is non-sense and an excuse for morons to explain away their idiocy and failure.

    One can argue, as above, what someone's truth might be to a degree but does the sun rise in the east, does it come up every day?

    That is the type of shit ones of these ass hats would argue is under legitimate experiment. For that, these people deserve what they wish upon their enemies.

  • GILMORE™||

    Robby's contempt here is obviously personal

    As someone who busts robby's chops all the time, this is a ridiculous accusation.

    what these students are claiming is patently stupid - and its not a philosophical exercise, but a matter of practical policy intended to effectively silence anything the mob finds objectionable.

    all you're doing is making a cheap ad-hom, and one based on zero evidence (natch).

  • CE||

    True.

  • Quo Usque Tandem||

    Past time for college administrators [that class of bureaucratic holders of sinecures] to grow a pair; testicles, ovaries, prosthetics, whatever, and not kowtow to a group of "20 marginalized students" who can barely read and write, much less think.

    This is a flea, not the tail, wagging the dog. And I couldn't give a shit if these fleas think they are marginalized or not. They are still fidiots.

  • Seamus||

    "The idea that we must subject ourselves routinely to the hate speech of fascists who want for us not to exist plays on the same Eurocentric constructs that believed Black people to be impervious to pain and apathetic to the brutal and violent conditions of white supremacy," wrote the students, who apparently believe, mistakenly, that MacDonald is a white supremacist.

    What do you mean, "mistakenly." White supremacists are bad people. MacDonald is a bad person. Therefore, MacDonald is a white supremacist. The logic is settled. The fact that she has never said anything of an explicitly white nationalist nature only proves that she's hiding it. Don't you Nazi fucks know anything about intersectionality?

  • Seamus||

    "The authors are correct that the Enlightenment was an imperfect philosophical movement, and that some of its adherents were racists, or enshrined racial thinking.

    These assholes' heads would asplode if they ever learned that Karl Marx was rooting for the U.S. against the "backward" Mexicans during the Mexican War.

  • UnrepentantCurmudgeon||

    So then, if all truth is a tool of white supremacy, then their own "truth" -- that truth is a tool of white supremacy -- is itself a tool of white supremacy.

    That isn't just a cute rhetorical twist. The effect of these protests is to defeat the right to speak, and the right to hear. This in turn defeats the right to learn. In our society, whom does that affect most? You got it: the "underprivileged". So whose position in society is protected? You got it again: those already in power. Congratulations, libs! You've just concocted the master rationale for keeping your masters in power.

  • MayneDeWayne||

    Imagine if you were forbidden from speaking out about your own country, and it was labeled anti-American hate speech. Same freaking thing here. Keep your mouth shut or say else.
    Welcome to Communist America. It has a liberal flavor to it.

  • ToCa81||

    I have a proposition. Give preference to applying students who have real world work experience. I have a feeling a lot of these snot nosed, delusional little twits have never been humbled by a an actual job, instead living off mommy and daddy's dime. People who have spent time digging ditches or dealing with moronic customers don't show up at these protests or draft these ridiculous demands, because they understand the value of time and would rather spend theirs doing something enjoyable or productive.

  • JunkScienceIsJunk||

    Why is there so much focus at Reason on the opinions of children? This has really become a fetish by certain writers here. What's going to be the next article? "The rock and roll the kids are into is just noise"?

  • sparkstable||

    Um... ever hear of the Red Guard? Oh... That's right... they were just kids so no real worry.

  • sparkstable||

    Um... ever hear of the Red Guard? Oh... That's right... they were just kids so no real worry.

  • Azathoth!!||

    18 year olds are not children--no matter how the nanny state tries to infantilize them.

    Forget that at your peril.

  • ||

    If there is no such thing as truth, then "There is no such thing as truth" is not true.

  • ScribblerG1||

    More pearl clutching and clucking of tongues, lol. While the Left runs the table and destroys our society via action, libertarians DO nothing. Just talk. Perhaps when you are in a reeducation camp you will realize THIS is the time for force to be used to restore our liberty. Not later when the left has completely overrun us. Now. In fact, it may already be too late.

    But hey, at least I can read really mad articles about these thugs. We have surrendered.

  • ScribblerG1||

    More pearl clutching and clucking of tongues, lol. While the Left runs the table and destroys our society via action, libertarians DO nothing. Just talk. Perhaps when you are in a reeducation camp you will realize THIS is the time for force to be used to restore our liberty. Not later when the left has completely overrun us. Now. In fact, it may already be too late.

    But hey, at least I can read really mad articles about these thugs. We have surrendered.

  • Nick W B||

    I was getting kinda mad until I saw this at the end:
    "The letter's signatories, of whom there are more than 20 at the time of publication, request a response by the afternoon of April 18."
    So 20-something soon to be college dropouts who have no understanding of history (or the capability to learn what the pompous sounding words they find in the thesaurus actually mean) want to go back to Enlightenment times. Ok, good for them. The rest of us can safely move on.

  • CE||

    They're still mad they didn't get into Harvard, so they're rejecting the motto.

  • Bruce Majors||

    Defund academic, end affirmative action, dump these wretches in the job market with no EBT and let them mop floors.

  • ax a nigga||

    When Mao said "some people just aren't meant to be free."

  • jerryg1018||

    Somebody needs to wrap a 2 x 4 with the First Amendment and smack these snowflakes up side of the head.

  • freedomlover||

    Déjà vu

    I attended UC Davis 1975-1979. One of he first jolts of the racial realities I was about to face, was finding that my quarterly tuition included not just a fee for the student newspaper, but a fee for an alternative newspaper for "people of color" as well. It was called "The Third World Forum". It was justified by telling us that the student newspaper didn't represent the views of the oppressed minorities on campus. Yeah, the same ones who all got federal and state aid that I couldn't qualify for because my parents, who weren't paying for my college, made too much money.

    At the time the Superman movie remake with Christopher Reeves had just come out. The first article I remember reading in The Third World Forum was a front page piece about how that movie represented white oppression.

    That was my first taste of the crap I as going to have to be swallowing for the next four years. It still lingers in this insane, Brave New World we live in.

  • Careless||

    The Superman film would have come out halfway through your junior year

  • Michael Price||

    "The idea that there is a single truth--'the Truth'--is a construct of the Euro-West that is deeply rooted in the Enlightenment,"
    No it's what almost everyone believed for almost all time. The idea that something was true only for some people or that there was no objective reality is mostly confined to eastern mystics and some Native American tribes until quite recently. For pretty much everyone else "A is A" whether they had a conscious philosophy that said that or not. And of course "A is A" predates the enlightenment by about as much as the Second Jewish Revolt predates this statement.

  • mtrueman||

    " there was no objective reality is mostly confined to eastern mystics "

    Untrue. Buddhism does not deny objective reality. They call it maya, 'illusion.' Their quest for truth leads them away from objective reality. Those who follow the Enlightenment, Liberals, believe in the connection between 'the truth' and objective reality. Buddhists reject this.

  • mtrueman||

    "the student-authors continue to endangered the well-being of the entire higher education system."

    The horror.

  • Darth_Saruman||

    Yes, truth does tend to silence people doesn't it? How marginalizing that must be... you know... when you're wrong all the time.

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