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Utah Delegates Still Not Sold on Donald Trump, May Vote for Gary Johnson

On final night of RNC, 2 Utah delegates tell Reason they're still mad their votes for Ted Cruz went to Trump, and are receptive to voting Libertarian.

The sadness of ClevelandReason/Anthony L. FisherCNN's Dana Bash reported from the floor of the Republican National Convention (RNC) that a number of delegates (she didn't name the state) were planning on endorsing Libertarian Party presidential candidate Gary Johnson tonight.

Bash described her source as a Vice Chairman of the GOP in his state, and that he was almost shaking while telling her of the possible mutiny in the arena where Donald Trump would later give his acceptance speech. Thus far, it does not appear that a rogue group of Republican delegates in Cleveland's Quicken Loans Arena has made a public pledge to vote for Johnson.

As convention attendees were filtering out of the arena, Reason asked a number of delegates from states whose delegations didn't appear to be enthusiastically cheering Trump during the applause lines of his speech if they had any plans to endorse Johnson. Five delegates from Johnson's home state of New Mexico (including current Lt. Gov. John Sanchez) all told Reason they were 100 percent in support of Trump and had no plans to vote Libertarian, as did a delegate from Ted Cruz's home state of Texas. 

But two delegates from Utah admitted that their delegation is still "smarting" over the fact that they had pledged to vote for Cruz, but because the Republican National Committee would only record votes for candidates still officially running, all 40 of Utah's votes became Trump votes. Utah delegate Brian Halliday told Reason they felt "disenfranchised from the Republican Party," and also mentioned Cruz's admonition from his Wednesday night speech at the RNC for Republicans to vote their conscience.

"I could consider voting Trump," Halliday said, but he would also consider voting Johnson. "I'm not on the Trump train yet."

Another Utah delegate, Bill Lee, told Reason, "We were elected to come here as Cruz delegates...and we're still smarting a bit." Lee also would not commit to voting for Trump, and voting Libertarian was something he would consider. Lee said that although he liked Trump's speech he was skeptical on Trump's ability to deliver on his promises. Lee was particularly concerned with Trump's repeated rhetoric about "fixing" perceived issues.

"That means government is going to fix it," Lee said. "When I hear 'we're going to get this done immediately,' that usually means war to me, and those things rub me kind of funny." Of the "law and order" part of Trump's speech, Lee said "that sounds like a police state." Lee added that he is unimpressed with calls for party unity, which he described as forced "group-think" and a demand to "kiss the ring." 

"Not gonna happen," Lee insists. 

Halliday and Lee aren't the only distinguished Republicans from the Beehive State who refuse to commit to voting for Trump and haven't ruled out voting for Johnson.

Earlier this week in Cleveland, Reason's Matt Welch spoke with Utah Sen. Mike Lee who said that Trump missed an opportunity to win over Utahans—who despite being solidly Republican voters for more than 50 years are essentially split down the middle between Trump and Hillary Clinton, according to present polling. Sen. Lee said Trump and the RNC should have allowed for a "open robust frank dialogue on the floor of the convention, rather than having that dialogue squelched before it even begins."

When asked if he would consider voting for Gary Johnson, Sen. Lee said he has "never anticipated voting for anyone who is not a Republican, particularly in a presidential contest," but that Trump "has yet to win me over."

Lee added, "I'd love to be won over, and there are a whole lot of people like me who would like to be won over, but I'm not there yet."

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  • Dennis, Constitutional Peasant||

    look everyone, an actual story

  • Butts Wagner||

    meh

  • Ken Shultz||

    Two delegates were caught thinking out loud.

    Film at 11:00!

  • Migrant Log Chipper||

    libertarian moment

  • Vampire||

    What's up with some of them?

    Uh, I really don't like Trump cause I'm not feelin his support of liberty, and all this talk of a police state.......but I'm gonna lie to muhself and learn to support them and toe the party line like a good sheep. When I'm confronted with a liberty candidate, well, uh, I don't think I can support them because it's out of muh comforts, and there is no R next to their name and stuff."

  • buybuydandavis||

    But two delegates from Utah admitted that their delegation is still "smarting" over the fact that they had pledged to vote for Cruz, but because the Republican National Committee would only record votes for candidates still officially running, all 40 of Utah's votes became Trump votes.

    I don't understand this kind of stuff. Seems really dumb politically.

    What's the harm in showing people whose support you want a little respect, and letting them have their little moment for what they accomplished? Same kind of crap they pulled against Ron Paul. And still just as stupid.

    It's just dumb to spike the ball in the faces of people you want to support you. There was no question of the overall outcome. Trump won. As long as they aren't dicks about their moment it the sun (I'm looking at you, Ted), you don't need to be either.

  • Agammamon||

    If you show them respect they might start thinking that they have value beyond the show. Their p*purpose* is to show up and strengthen the 'we are united' narrative. You can't do that if you allow people to dissent in public.

  • Joe M||

    God, Lee, just endorse Johnson already, and begin the process of busting this election wide open. If he did, Utah, already anti-Trump like a mofo, would tip even farther into Johnson territory. If we could see just one poll where he's leading, or in second even, in any state, that would be enough to get him over the 15% hump nationally after another burst of media attention.

  • West Texas||

    All GJ needs is just one endorsement from a high-profile Republican and the dam will start to crack. Right now the water is lapping over the top but the GOP is managing to hold it together.

    Problem is, the 2-party system is so entrenched - literally written into the fucking law - that all of the R pols right now who would otherwise support GJ are afraid to stick their necks out because they would be pariahs in their own party whether GJ loses or not.

    Mike Lee wants to get reelected and stay in the Senate, so no matter how much he dislikes Trump he is not going to publicly cross him. The GOP Establishment would fuck him with a pointy stick if he did. Party uber alles.

    The big endorsement is going to have to come from someone who isn't an elected GOP politician and doesn't want to be again. Maybe Romney, maybe Jeb. I know that those names don't get Reason readers excited, but they'd give cover to a lot of traditional GOP-voters to break ranks.

    There are several media types who either have or will defect to Johnson (Beck, Cost, Erickson), but they won't do as much good as a high-profile public official would do.

  • Eloh-Nroc||

    LP Newspaper Vol-46, Issue-3 ran an article listing prominent GOPers who have openly turned to the LP. Some even changed their voter registration cards to L Party.

    List of GOP defectors;

    1. Laura Ebke - Nebraska St. Sen
    2. John Moore - Nevada St. Legislator
    3. John Pickerill - Indiana, County Chairman (R)
    4. Scott Wooden - California, Del Mar District School Board
    5. Mary Matalin - (R) Political Strategist
    6. Ben Sasse - (R-Neb) Hasn't defected yet, but won't rule out voting for GJ in Nov. (Highest profile Gov't official to publicly consider LP nominee.)

    Notable: Mitt Romney - Said in an interview he is considering voting for the Johnson-Weld ticket.

  • antodav||

    It could happen, but only if Mormon voters decide to actually apply the teachings of their religion to politics, for once…except on abortion, where there is no candidate who will represent the unborn.

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