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  • Credit: White House / Flickr.comCredit: White House / Flickr.comMajority Leader Kevin McCarthy will seek to succeed John Boehner as speaker of the House of Representatives.
  • U.S. forces have launched airstrikes on the Afghan city of Kunduz as part of a campaign to retake the city from the Taliban.

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  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Today is National Coffee Day.

    So libertarians should have tea today.

  • UnCivilServant||

    You're going to pay the tax on that Tea?!

  • Auric Demonocles||

    Homegrown in your backyard for your private consupmtion, while flipping off Wickard.

  • ||

    Hello.

    Re. Biden. Says much about the Democrat party, huh.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    What does the inane blowhard jackass frontrunner of the GOP say about it?

    Speaking of Trump last week's 'South Park' is a national treasure.

  • Trump-o-Matic 5000||

    I LOVE YOU!!!!

  • Florida Man||

    My boy Rubio is trouncing JEB! Get your $20 ready.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

  • Florida Man||

    I like my chances. I'm betting the country is bushed out.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    But you're employing reason.

    The GOP loves the Bushpigs.

  • wareagle||

    and the GOP's actions are the leading cause of Trumpation. Eventually, someone like Rubio may rise up but the party seems enamored of outsiders at the moment since the status quo has failed.

  • R C Dean||

    Even his moneymen (which is the only cohort of the GOP who has any use for him) have given Jeb! one (1) month to turn it around.

    His negatives are crazy high. Can't be done. Without the moneymen, he has nothing.

    Jeb! is toast.

  • VicRattlehead||

    +1 Christfags

  • JWatts||

    I spent some time looking at Predictwise. It's a non-money site. They list everything in dollar values but there is actually no money exchanged. And they are getting their 'polling' data from "HuffPost's Pollster".

    So, I'm inclined to discount the sites legitimacy. Predictions sites have a worse record than betting sites.

  • Jerryskids||

    I've said it before and I'll say it again - if Biden jumps into the race and makes it explicitly clear he's going to be Obama's third term he'll be our next President. Everybody's distancing themselves from Obama, the GOP is running against Obama, nobody wants to be saddled with Obama's track record, but the last guy who ran on Obama's track record got elected. A failure to elect Biden would be nearly as bad a setback for the Left as an Obama defeat in 2012 would have been, winning the election proves to them that they are right about everything and they are going to be fired up for their man. The GOP, on the other hand, well, which one of those guys gives anybody any enthusiasm for voting? Notice that last time around, the Dems ran a turd sandwich for President and they still beat the giant douche the GOP put up. Why is 2016 going to be any different than 2012?

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Reasonable people will look back on 2012 as an embarrassment of riches.

    Romney is better than any of the GOP jackasses that can win and Obama is miles better than Hil-Dog and Bernie the idiot (and any of the GOPers).

  • Swiss Servator||

    Obama is miles better ....(and any of the GOPers).

    So the Classical Liberal would rather have TEH LIGHTWORKER than Rand Paul. Noted.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Rand Paul can't win. See any of the GOP jackasses that can win

    Speaking of his crappy campaign I told Irish he would never crack 5% on RCP again and he keeps sinking.

    Irish said he would.

    Irish won't reply to me now.

  • Irish ♥s ESB||

    LOL, I said you couldn't say he definitely wouldn't get back to 5%, I did not say that he definitely would get back to 5%.

    Your reading comprehension is almost as good as your shithouse stock analysis.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    "Liberal feminists ponder friends, foes and Carly Fiorina."

    She's no Bill Clinton.

  • WTF||

    Not until she leaves a trail of sexual assault victims in her wake, anyway.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    The FBI did recently adjust their definition of rape to include male victims.

  • Citizen X||

    FBI DEFINITION OF RAPE FINALLY GETTING CLOSE TO STEVE SMITH DEFINITION OF RAPE.

  • Citizen X||

    PARDON, MEANT TO SAY "STEVE SMITH DEFINITION OF FRIDAY NIGHT."

  • bacon-magic||

    Help me out with understanding the Steve Smith routine, I'm a newbie here.

  • Rasilio||

    You can find it discussed a bit and the history referenced here...

    Steve Smith Story

  • bacon-magic||

    THANKS. STEVE SMITH WILL RAPE YOU FOR YOUR NICENESS.

  • Citizen X||

    STEVE SMITH is an acquaintance of Matt Welch's who used to come around the forums and drool over Barack Obama and FDR on occasion. After a bit of research on his blog, it was determined that STEVE SMITH is, in fact, a shaven sasquatch, and as we all know, sasquatches LOVE rape.

  • Swiss Servator||

    +1 RAPESQUATCH

  • PM||

    Miami Beach man accused of impersonating doctor, inappropriately touching nursing assistant

    MIAMI BEACH, Fla. -

    A man from Miami Beach is facing charges after impersonating a doctor and inappropriately touching a woman who believed she was being hired as a nursing assistant.

    Howard Harlib, 62, was arrested Thursday on charges of battery and practicing medicine without a license.

    According to an arrest report, the victim, Antonia Pascal, saw an advertisement for a nursing assistant/home health aside assistant position listed on Beacon Hill Training Center's community board.

    Police said Harlib identified himself to Pascal as Dr. Allen, and told her that she would be paid about $40,000 a year to help care for one of his patients.

    Pascal told detectives that Harlib asked her several questions that made her uncomfortable, such as whether she would be uncomfortable if a patient masturbated in front of her or touched her breasts. He also asked if she knew how to take a patient's temperature rectally.
  • Rich||

    Harlib asked her several questions that made her uncomfortable, such as whether she would be uncomfortable if a patient masturbated in front of her or touched her breasts.

    "You know, Miss Pascal -- like *this*?"

  • Illocust||

    I would think there is more to practicing medicine than hiring a nurse, but who knows I'm just a layman.

  • PM||

    Just step into my office and let me explain it to you. Now, are you comfortable being around chloroform?

  • BearOdinson||

    So Warty really is Florida Man!

  • ||

    Stubborn goat refuses to leave Sask. Tim Hortons

    "There was a stubborn goat refusing to leave the establishment," RCMP said. "The employees would ask him to leave and walk him outside, but he would just turn around and come back in through the automatic doors."

    RCMP believe the goat was simply cold and decided to sleep in the space.

    Store employees said the goat ambled through the parking lot, and took a nap in the drive-through at one point. Store owner Camille Barzeele said employees kept an eye on him.
  • Illocust||

    I'm fairly certain this is one of the literal reasons we pay money to the county for animal control. If not, I want my taxes back.

  • ||

    Dumb wheat hicks.

  • Swiss Servator||

    "The employees would ask him to leave and walk him outside, but he would just turn around and come back in through the automatic doors."

    And people wonder where the stereotype of the Polite Canadian came form...

    "RCMP believe the goat was simply cold and decided to sleep in the space."

    Now that is detective work!

  • Citizen X||

    "Excuse me, would you mind leaving the restaurant, eh?"

    "Baaa."

    "Well okee, then. Sore-y to bother you."

  • PM||

    South Dakota man shoots self in penis, lies to police

    SIOUX FALLS, S.D. -- A convicted felon who accidentally shot himself in the penis was arrested after police say he lied about how the shooting happened

    Donald Anthony Watson was admitted to the Avera McKennan emergency room about 1:30 a.m. Sept. 6 for a gunshot wound to his penis, according to an arrest affidavit.

    When questioned by police, the 43-year-old said he was shot by "a black guy (who) tried to rob" him while he was taking out the trash at his apartment.

    Officers went to Watson's apartment in the 1500 block of East Nye Street to look for evidence and witnesses to corroborate Watson's story. No evidence of a shooting was found near the dumpster. A witness told officers he heard screams of pain coming from Watson's apartment about 1 a.m. that morning.

    A search warrant was served on Watson's house because of the conflicting stories. Officers found what appeared to be bullet fragments on Watson's bed, court records show. An empty gun case was found. Officers weren't able to locate the firearm.

    Before Watson entered surgery, officers again asked him how he was shot. This time, he told the officer he shot himself while looking at a gun he was trying to buy.
  • Drake||

    Another case of "Glock Cock"?

  • PM||

    It's an epidemic

  • Lee G||

    Plaxicock

  • Swiss Servator||

    *applauds*

  • Slammer||

    This is my pistol, this is my gun.

  • Citizen X||

    This is for fighting, this is for... ow, shit!

  • Tejicano||

    I wonder if this guy now wishes his state had a waiting period (yeah, I know that as a felon he wouldn't be able to buy a firearm through legal means so the waiting period wouldn't matter - but anybody stupid enough to shoot himself in the dick is the kind of shipdit who would support waiting periods and in his current condition probably wishes anything had kept that gun away from him)

  • Adans smith||

    Sounds like he went off half cocked.

  • SusanM||

    He lost his firing pin.

  • See Double You||

    This whole story sounds like a load of poppycock.

  • B.P.||

    How does one go about inspecting firearms for potential purchase.... in bed?

  • Rich||

    Today is National Coffee Day.

    That reminds me. Whatever happened to Juan Valdez?

  • UnCivilServant||

    He got busted for moving Coke

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Juan 'El Jefe' Valdez is growing something other than coffee these days.

  • gaijin||

    Whatever happened to Juan Valdez?

    Maybe he got on the wrong side of Pablo Escobar?

  • Princess Trigger||

    He eloped with the mule.
    They're living in Miami and he spends his days driving a taxi and the mule (Maria) sits at home and plays candy crush.

  • ||

    That's a beautiful story.

  • VicRattlehead||

    Wheres my goddamned like button!!!!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy will seek to succeed John Boehner as speaker of the House of Representatives.

    Anyone who starred with Kim Cattrall in Mannequin has my vote.

  • Swiss Servator||

    *narrows gaze*

  • SugarFree||

    +1 Nothing's Going To Stop Us Now

  • ||

    FAIL! Kevin McCarthy was in the original Invasion of the Body Snatchers... but that should still get him your vote!

    Andrew McCarthy was in that excreble movie you referenced.

    The proper answer is... He gets your vote because he was in Weekend at Bernie's!

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    According to a new poll, Joe Biden would become the presidential frontrunner if he entered the race today.

    It's a big fuckin' deal.

  • PM||

    Newborn girl, umbilical cord attached, found dead after falling from NYC building

    NEW YORK, Sept. 29 (UPI) -- Police in New York City launched a criminal investigation into the death of a newborn baby -- umbilical cord still attached -- who was found dead after falling several floors from an apartment building.

    The newborn girl was found Monday in a concrete courtyard of a building in the Bronx's University Heights at about 2:40 p.m. The wife of the building's superintendent discovered the baby while cleaning up the area behind the seven-floor structure.
  • ||

    Jesus.

  • straffinrun||

    That's awful. Sounds like we need age restrictions on bungee jumping.

  • ||

    Too soon?

  • straffinrun||

    Yeah, I regretted that until I saw Florida Man's joke below.

  • Florida Man||

    Florida Man. Making you feel less bad about you!

  • straffinrun||

    You discussed me.

  • GILMORE™||

    OMG THIS COMMENT

  • Florida Man||

    If only those rednecks in red states hadn't banned abortion.
    /region war go!!!

  • Illocust||

    Can the mother go down for murder, pretty please? With all the safe harbor, adoption, and abortion laws stacked in her favor there is no fucking excuse for a mom to kill an infant.

  • PM||

    I just wish we could decide on some consistency surrounding the issue. If she'd gone to a doctor's office, delivered it, and had a physician snip the spinal cord the whole thing would be on the up and up. Throw it out a window and you're a monster.

  • WTF||

    As long as part of the baby was still inside the Magic Vagina, it would have been okay.

  • WTF||

    "Falling"? I'm pretty sure a newborn would have to be dropped or thrown.

  • PM||

    +1 tears in heaven

  • PBR Streetgang||

    Wow. You really went there.

  • Florida Man||

    A man is waiting in the hospital for his wife to give labor. when the doctor walks up to him all excited.
    Doctor: Sir you have to see this, your son, he is a super hero.

    The man is all confused by this statement

    So the doctor takes him into the nursery and picks up the the mans baby

    Doctor: See, he can fly...

    and drops the baby. The baby hits the floor and bounces a little bit.
    The Man gets all pissed off..

    Man: Hey what the Fuck if your problem..
    Doctor: NO I ASSURE YOU!! Your baby is a super hero watch, maybe he just needs a head start.

    So the doctor picks the baby back up and runs through the nursery and throws the baby. The baby slams right in to the wall head first and lays on the floor.

    The man is even more mad now.
    Doctor: I don't know why it isn't working maybe he needs to fall further to make his flying abilities work right.

    The doctor then Grabs the baby off of the floor and takes it to the window and drops him. The baby falls and lands on the pavement.

    The Man is beside himself

    Man: I am going to kill you you piece of shit. Why would you do that?
    Doctor: No, No, It's ok, It's ok, it was just a joke, It was just a joke... Your Baby was a stillborn

  • straffinrun||

    Does Fiorina have the video?

  • UnCivilServant||

    *flat monotone* That's not funny. */flat monotone*

  • Swiss Servator||

    Yeah.... ungood. Plus ungood, FM.

  • Florida Man||

    It appears I have found the edge of the Reason envelope. I apologize to those I have offended.

  • Lee G||

    You can find some solidarity with Old Man With Candy

  • Florida Man||

    So an 8 year old kid finds a welding mask. He's walking along playing with the mask when a stranger stops and asks if he needs a ride. The kid is a ways from the part of town he's headed to so he accepts. After a bit the guy says "Hey kid, do you know what what a pedophile is?" The kid says "Nope." The guy continues "How about molestation?" The kid says "Sorry, but no." The guy says "What about blowjobs?" Finally, the kid pipes up "Look, Mister...I'm not really a welder. I just found the mask."

  • ||

    Same basic joke I heard in the service. Little boy is in McDonalds. Sees a marine there eating his meal. Runs up and asks "hey, are you a real marine?"

    Marine:"Yeah I am. Say, I gotta use the bathroom, how'd you like to wear my cap while I'm gone?"

    While the kid's sitting there with the jar on his head, in walks a Special Forces soldier. Little boy runs up and says "Wow! Are you a real Green Beret?"

    GB::"Yeah I am. Say, how'd you like to suck my dick?"

    Little boy quickly takes off the cap and says "Oh no, I'm not a real marine, he's in the bathroom taking a shit!"

  • straffinrun||

    Meh, you still got two cock crows left.

  • Florida Man||

    I'm not familiar. A quick google turned up something about Jesus.

  • Swiss Servator||

    We have only denied you once - if we do so three times before the cock crows...then Roman soldiers will be along shortly.

  • Florida Man||

    Then the buggery begins?

  • WTF||

    There's also rum and the lash.

  • ||

    I have no boundaries.

    Some call it being 'sick'.

  • Florida Man||

    I enjoy shock humor, mainly because very little shocks me. My best friend says my brain is broken. Maybe he is right.

  • Rhywun||

    FWIW, I laffed

  • SugarFree||

    The whole joke just made me hungry.

  • VicRattlehead||

    Laughed so hard my co-workers all looked and saw i wasnt working, or they think im insane.... well they already think im insane

  • Idle Hands||

    Frank Reynolds: What the hell is that?
    Mac: It's a baby we found in the dumpster.
    Frank Reynolds: Well put it back, it's not yours.

  • Private Chipperbot||

    Just a base...

  • Citizen Nothing||

    I knew that skydiving midwife service was a bad idea.

  • wareagle||

    I'm sorry, found dead "after falling?" Technically, I suppose the child fell but the wording makes it sound self-inflicted or accidental.

  • Chupacabra||

    Maybe the mother is a cop.

  • Jerryskids||

    The mother was probably just an illegal immigrant dropping her anchor, baby.

  • R C Dean||

    "Yer doin' it wrong, Manuela."

  • ||

    U.K. Labour Conference Speakers Compare Conservative Agenda to Nazi Policies

    Speaking on Monday in Brighton, Len McCluskey, the head of Unite, the largest trade union in the U.K., argued that government plans to force striking workers to wear official armbands resembled “the concentration camps of Dachau."

    Meanwhile, fellow delegate to the conference Sioux Blair-Jordan, a Labour activist from Colchester, said that disabled people “might as well walk into the gas chamber” if government plans to alter British human rights legislation went through.

    You know who else... oh wait.

  • SusanM||

    Oswald Moseley?

  • Jerryskids||

    Why does Blair-Jordan hate the disabled? If the legislation enables the disabled to rise from their wheelchairs and walk into the gas chamber then I would say the legislation should be passed immediately.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Rand Paul is taking a break from his presidential campaign to do some fundraising for his Senate reelection campaign.

    You know what happened to the last GOP'er to suspend his presidential campaign? That's right. Hitler happened.

  • PM||

    Illinois police officer caught sleeping on the job in viral photos

    EVANSTON, Ill., Sept. 28 (UPI) -- An Illinois police department said an officer will be disciplined after pictures of him sleeping in a marked police cruiser went viral on social media.

    The Evanston Police Department said it is investigating after the pictures were shared with community activist Carolyn Murray and circulated on social media.

    "The photos were sent to me by a concerned citizen who has a problem with the police some brutality and they're upset as well," Murray told WLS-TV.
  • Citizen X||

    Two weeks of desk duty, so he can catch up on his sleep out of the public eye.

  • gaijin||

    The photos were sent to me by a concerned citizen who has a problem with the police some brutality

    The guy was sleeping...sounds like the 'citizen' has a problem with more than police brutality.

  • Agammamon||

    Well, she's *gonna* have a problem with police brutality.

    On a side note - local cops used to park and sleep at the end of an unfinished cul-de-sac (unfinished because of the housing crash in 2008) across the street from me, until they started building there again.

    I wonder where the one guy on patrol is napping now.

  • straffinrun||

    Uh, I'm not worried about sleeping cops.

  • Swiss Servator||

    Pfft...they should go by the Northwest Armory at Kedzie and North around 6:45am on a Saturday...back a while ago, you could often find several Chicago PD squad cars lined up right inside Humboldt Park with a many a napping officer - set the alarm for shift change!

  • ||

    Footloose II:

    N.S. school board bans dancing

    The Cape Breton-Victoria Regional School Board said Monday its administration made the decision after moving from a junior high to middle school grade configuration this school year.

    Donnie Holland, acting co-ordinator of school services, said following a professional development session in the spring, officials decided there were better activity options to create a positive school climate that are more age-appropriate.

    "It's not so much that we're saying dances are evil," said Holland in a phone interview. "We're just saying that we're trying a new philosophy with middle school, so let's try some new approaches to building school spirit."
  • Fist of Etiquette||

    If our Lord wasn't testing us, how would you account for the proliferation, these days, of this obscene EDM, with its gospel of easy sexuality and relaxed morality?

  • PM||

    I can't blame them to be honest. The parents are always freaking out about prom dresses being too short, the dancing being too sexual, the genderqueer kids being discriminated against, or any other conceivable hobgoblin. Who needs the headache. Let somebody outside the school system throw a dance and take on the liability.

  • gaijin||

    so let's try some new approaches to building school spirit."

    We will start by requiring all children to wear these brown shirts. They will then learn to salute the school administrators with a friendly wave that stretches the palm forward and upward at then end of a stiff arm.

  • Rhywun||

    Like so?

  • gaijin||

    perfect!

  • Charles Easterly||

    Indeed.

    "'I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands; one Nation indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all.' At the words, 'to my Flag,' the right hand is extended gracefully, palm upward, toward the Flag, and remains in this gesture till the end of the affirmation; whereupon all hands immediately drop to the side."

    - The Youth's Companion, 1892

    "Shortly thereafter, the pledge was begun with the right hand over the heart, and after reciting 'to the Flag,' the arm was extended toward the Flag, palm-down.

    In World War II, the salute too much resembled the Nazi salute, so it was changed to keep the right hand over the heart throughout."

    http://www.ushistory.org/documents/pledge.htm

  • Rhywun||

    The wikipedia page also shows some olde-timey kids doing a Mexican-style salute with hand on chest, palm down. I wonder what the origin of that one is? I haven't seen it explained anywhere.

  • Charles Easterly||

    Rhywun,

    Civilian participants were to hold their right hands palm down above their hearts: "The Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag... should be rendered by standing at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. When not in uniform men should remove any non-religious headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should remain silent, face the flag, and render the military salute."

    That could explain the Flag Day picture in the Wikipedia article.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    ...Joe Biden would become the presidential frontrunner if he entered the race today.

    God bless those poll respondents and their hypotheticals.

  • ||

    *surprised face*

    Another Deadly Snake Species Discovered In Australia

    Like other death adders, which are known for being extremely venomous, it is a “sit and wait” predator that lies quietly before striking its prey. Birds, lizards and small mammals are its preferred food.

    “These snakes are super-camouflaged -- its idea is to look like a rock or a bunch of leaves. Unlike a brown snake they aren’t designed for speed at all, they are quite slow,” Doughty told The Guardian. “They use their tail like a lure, they will dangle it down while it’s hidden until a lizard or something comes close and then it will strike.”

    “They are in the top 10 venomous snakes in the world. You definitely have to handle them carefully,” he added.
  • ||

    What the heck did Australia do in a past life?

    That's one poisonous country!

  • Raven Nation||

    What the heck did Australia do in a past life?

    Nothing. It's defense against outsiders.

  • commodious spittoon||

    It's not working: they're overrun with Aussies.

  • Citizen X||

    Like most Australian animals Homo sapiens australienensis has evolved from root sapiens stock to be venomous. Plus they have tough armored skin that provides some protection from the teeth and claws of the rest of the fauna of the continent as well as ultraviolet radiation.

  • commodious spittoon||

    You misspelled ultraviolent retardation. I've seen the movies.

  • Jerryskids||

    They didn't discover a new species of snake, they just decided to reclassify an existing single species into two different species. It's the same crap that allows them to claim species are being wiped out at an unprecedented rate. I supect there are now thousands of species of ants differentiated solely by their habitat, the Jerryskids Backyard ant is an entirely different species from the Jerryskids Frontyard ant because one lives in the front yard and one in the back. If I spread some Amdro in my front yard, I've just wiped out an entire species.

  • ||

    Thanks for pointing this out, the story didn't catch my eye enough to actually click through to it--and if I actually read every full Salon/Huffpo/Vox/etc. link that got posted here, I'd have time to do naught else.

  • Derpetologist||

    Derpy's Army Countdown: 7 weeks

    Motivational thought: another day closer to victory
    Motivationa song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWxBrI0g1kE

  • Drake||

    This seems to have flown under the media radar. The guy trained to be the 20th 911 highjacker was just released from Gitmo.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.co.....rom-gitmo/

  • Rich||

    It's part of the president's closure of Gitmo.

  • WTF||

    What difference at this point does it make?

  • The Last American Hero||

    The guy is probably an evil shitbag, but they've had 14 years to try and convict him.

  • Drake||

    Did they actually try?

  • Lee G||

    IIRC, trying him would have put the entire legal framework of imprisonment up for review.

  • Free Society||

    Better to let one terrorist go free than not have a tool to oppress and torture hundreds and thousands of innocent people.

  • Charles Easterly||

    Wow.

    FS, I think there is quite a bit of truth behind your statement.

  • R C Dean||

    Way back in the Bush years, the original plan for trying them was booted by SCOTUS.

    Which helpfully gave a roadmap for trying them constitutionally.

    Shortly thereafter, Obama took office, made an abortive run at trying them in civilian courts in the US, never took up the constitutional method of trying them at Gitmo, and is now releasing them back into the wild.

    Where they tend to go around killing people.

  • ||

    You can only fly under the radar if there is radar.

    Again I ask, if Obumbles were hostile to the US and the ideals upon which it if founded what would he do differently?

  • Auric Demonocles||

    According to a new poll, Joe Biden would become the presidential frontrunner if he entered the race today.

    It's like we want a country so incompetent we can't even keep up with alt-text demand.

  • ||

    Paul takes break to raise funds for Senate campaign

    One Republican operative with close ties to Kentucky politics warned against reading too much into Paul’s Senate fundraisers, saying it’s not a sign that Paul is giving up on running for president, but rather a necessity of running for two offices at once.

    The operative said it’s a good use of time for Paul to fundraise for the Senate while he’s in Washington. Paul can tap groups that may be friendly to his Senate bid but aren’t inclined to commit to him, or any candidate, while the GOP presidential field remains this large.

    Paul, he noted, isn’t going all in yet on fundraising for Senate – he’s not on the ground in Kentucky fighting for resources with the candidates running for statewide office, where elections for governor on down will be held this November.
  • ||

    Quebec economics logic.

    We'll cut income taxes....

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/.....-1.3214122

    ...but increase (the already high) sales tax to 11%!

  • Auric Demonocles||

    One of my friends and I were discussing a trip to Montreal this winter. Perhaps not.

  • Florida Man||

    I would prefer no income tax and more sales tax. It makes it easier to invest and save. Also you probably can find people who will take cash for services without charging tax.

  • PM||

    This. Of the two, sales tax is less evil and distorting to markets. If you had to pick one or the other, pick sales taxes every time.

  • ||

    Interesting.

    The article doesn't specify how much the income tax would drop. It would be intriguing to know the cut.

    But it's worth noting our income taxes AND sales tax are high mostly because on the former we filed two taxes which is, like, a lot.

  • PM||

    Yeah, ideally you select either one or the other, not both (the few states in the US that do not levy a state-level income tax have proportionally higher sales taxes, for example). Even when both exist simultaneously though, taxing consumption is pretty much always preferable to taxing income from a perspective of incentives.

  • ||

    California laughs at your proportions.

    Ca = 7.5%
    FL=6%
    TX=8.25%
    SD = 4.0%
    AK = 0.0%

  • Florida Man||

    Two taxes. I lay awake at night dreaming of only two taxes. Bloody favoritism!
    /actually I pay no state income tax

  • ||

    Taxman always takes his pound of flesh, just by slightly different methods. Sales taxes when I was growing up in Alabama were ridiculous - it could range anywhere from 4% to 10%, depending on where you were. There was actually one mall that you would pay different tax rates depending on which side of the mall you were in. I heard stories that there was one store there that straddled the border of the two small towns that saved its customers money by moving the cash register to the other side of the store.

    While the sales tax is high there, other taxes (income, property taxes) tend to be lower. So far I'm liking living in Florida - there is no income tax, the property taxes seem to be reasonable, and the sales taxes are not too bad. As far as I can tell, the heaviest taxes are on hotels and rental cars. As a Florida resident, I fully support extracting as much from the locusts that descend on the state every summer...

  • ||

    Elizabeth Warren just delivered the realest talk on race by any American politician

    Entire legal structures were created to prevent African Americans from building economic security through home ownership. Legally-enforced segregation. Restrictive deeds. Redlining. Land contracts. Coming out of the Great Depression, America built a middle class, but systematic discrimination kept most African-American families from being part of it.

    State-sanctioned discrimination wasn’t limited to homeownership. The government enforced discrimination in public accommodations, discrimination in schools, discrimination in credit-it was a long and spiteful list.

    Turning to today’s racial struggle, Warren credited the civil rights legislation of the 1960s with widely establishing the founding principle of the current protest movement. “The first civil rights battles were hard fought. But they established that Black Lives Matter,” Warren said. “These laws made three powerful declarations: Black lives matter. Black citizens matter. Black families matter,” she argued, crediting her predecessor, the late Sen. Ted Kennedy, with helping to shepherd the landmark legislation through Congress.
  • ||

    "When I was growing up Cree..."

    Assistant rushes up clumsily and whispers in her ear.

    'We Cherokee folk are a strong folk and know all too well the white man's rigging talents!'

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    So she just rehashed old history.

    Celebrity politician speaks - no one should care.

  • Trump-o-Matic 5000||

    YOUR OPINION IS IMPORTANT!!!!! YOU ARE A VALUED CONTRIBUTOR TO THIS DISCUSSION!!!!

  • Auric Demonocles||

    Elizabeth Warren just delivered the realest talk on race by any American politician

    Was that talk: "Sorry I lied about my race."?

  • Rich||

    "Race to the top."

  • gaijin||

    What you did there...I see it

  • Trump-o-Matic 5000||

    OMG RUN LIZ RUN SHES SOOOOO REAL!!! REALEST OF ALL REALLIES!!!11!1!!!!

  • What's that smell?||

    I love how progressive liberals recite this laundry list of oppression and omit the fact that all of these restriction were created and implemented by THEM.

    Of course they are in a hurry to claim credit for "righting the egregious wrongs" by way of the civil rights movement of the 1960's.

  • Free Society||

    Forcing a subset of society to be indolent and in poverty= bad. Paying them tax dollars to be indolent and remain in poverty= good. -Elizabeth Warren

  • ||

    "...these restriction(s) were created and implemented by THEM."

    "...by way of the civil rights movement of the 1960's."

    Still trying to ride someone else's 50 year old tide. Pathetic.

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    Yeah, note how she omits her own party's history of trying to ameliorate these things through public housing, only to see such efforts degrade into slums every. single. time.

    One of Truman's own men blatantly admitted one time that public housing failed because they mistakenly thought that homeownership had a universal effect on uplifting populations--the thought was that if they "owned" their own home, they'd want to be responsible for keeping it maintained and thus build the stable communities that minority and poor white populations had lacked in the past. However, he said, and I'm paraphrasing, "It was believed that giving people these homes would make them responsible, productive citizens. Instead, we gave them the homes and they turned out to be the same rotten people they always were."

    The in loco parentis model of government that Warren and progressives in general advocate never takes the fundamental dysfunction of poor populations into account, naively believes that a Scandanavian government model can be applied to an ethnically and culturally heterogenous population when there's no record of such a system ever being successful in world history, and never accounts for the limits of scale.

  • Rich||

    Doctors barred from discussing safety glitches in U.S.-funded software

    “Should we have legislation that says, ‘My god, if you have a dog, you can say, ‘I heard it bark?’’’

    Sure. We can call it "Rover's Law".

  • ||

    Union Tells Corbyn To 'Get Real' On Trident
    The Labour leader opposes renewal of the nuclear weapons system but unions warn 40,000 jobs are at risk if Trident is binned.

    Speaking to Sky News, GMB leader Paul Kenny said: "Our current position with the GMB - we won't be supporting the scrapping of Trident for a whole variety of reasons, not least of which nobody can come up with how we're going to deal with the tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of people who rely on that defence industry's jobs.

    "People need to get real - this is not coffee bar politics - this is the real world."

    A senior Unite source said: "Don't expect us to be on the wrong side of members' jobs."
  • Raven Nation||

    I see potential for an epic implosion of Labour in GB.

  • ||

    Fizzy drink? How quaint.

    One can of fizzy drink daily 'can increase heart attack risk by a third'
    Major US research suggests a fizzy drink a day is enough to raise the risk of heart attacks by one third, while significantly raising the chance of type two diabetes and stroke

    The research by Harvard school of public health found that regularly drinking sugary drinks increases the risk of developing type 2 diabetes by a quarter (26 per cent), the risk of heart attack or fatal heart disease by a third (35 per cent) and the risk of stroke by a sixth (16 per cent).

    The study - the most comprehensive review of evidence of health effects of sugary drinks to date - follows new official UK advice which says adults should restrict their sugar intake to just 30 grams - seven teaspoons - a day.
  • UnCivilServant||

    Especially since the fizz isn't the component they're scapegoating.

  • Rich||

    Prof Hu said additional research was needed to explore the health effects of different types of sugars

    Of course.

    But what if the fizz is, say, nitrous oxide?

  • gaijin||

    a fizzy drink a day is enough to raise the risk of heart attacks by one third

    CO2...is there anything it can't destroy?

  • PM||

    It's not the carbonation that causes the health problems, it's the sugar, so the headline is a bit misleading. Flat soda(pop) is just as bad for you.

  • gaijin||

    Thanks Captain Obvious ;)

  • PM||

    UnCiv beat me to it anyway...

  • Shirley Knott||

    It's fizzy because of the sugar in it -- who knew?

  • Trump-o-Matic 5000||

    Plus it puts you at high risk of getting sucked into the industrial strength ceiling fan

  • ||

    +1 Charlies and his thieving grandpa

  • The Last American Hero||

    And possibly risk losing the Wonka inheritance.

  • Trump-o-Matic 5000||

    That factory is run pretty inefficiently, anyway. Chocolate river?!? Get it together, Wonka, you can't compete in a global economy with that kind of waste going on.

  • Mickey Rat||

    You have to have the river and waterfall to properly sedate the chocolate! We sacrifice efficiency for quality!

  • ||

    You have to burp Charlie, it's the only way!

  • ||

    Fizzy or sugary?

    Really, who drinks that shit anymore? I haven't consumed any of that shit for ten years or so. Who is stupid enough to keep drinking syrup given the diabetes problem?

  • Derpetologist||

    I got into a tiff with my favorite grouchy Vietnam Vet. I commented on his article in which he argued for the draft.

    He argued in another piece that the US should be the world's policeman, which is odd considering he describes himself as a libertarian.

    I posted a reply in which I said I believe strongly in an all-volunteer military and I recently put my money where my mouth is. For some reason, he chose not to allow that comment to appear.

    On a side, I have to wonder why a country with nuclear weapons would need a large military anyway. It seems the odds that a country with nuclear weapons is in very little danger of being invaded or conquered.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    He already explained why:

    the US should be the world's policeman

    You can't do that with nukes. You need a middle ground if you want to butt in everywhere else.

  • Agammamon||

    Cops police with nukes all the time.

    'Oh, your son is threatening to kill himself?'

    *BAMBAMBAMBAM*

    'Not anymore he's not.'

  • UnCivilServant||

    Because there are levels of engagement between "Total apathy" and "Nuke the bastards". And if you're facing asymmetric warfare (on your turf or abroad) a nuke will hit more allies than enemies, so the enemy knows you won't nuke anybody.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    And if you're facing asymmetric warfare (on your turf or abroad) a nuke will hit more allies than enemies, so the enemy knows you won't nuke anybody.

    So the solution is to be the crazy bastard who will do it anyway.

  • Agammamon||

    Look, Ahmed, I *know* you don't like the whole 'suicide bombing' thing, but all we need to do is get *one* guy over there with a teeny-little bomb - and they'll drop a 15 kilo-ton nuke on him - in their own city.

    Its all about 'force multiplication'.

  • wareagle||

    So the solution is to be the crazy bastard who will do it anyway.

    Reagan had that rep, Obama does not. Doesn't stop the seriously belligerent from acting, but you have to wonder what influence it has on how they act or on what scale.

  • WTF||

    Doesn't stop the seriously belligerent from acting, but you have to wonder what influence it has on how they act or on what scale.

    Didn't Iran release the embassy hostages as soon as Reagan was inaugurated?

  • Charles Easterly||

    Indeed, but it was more complicated than I remember reading about:

    "The negotiators, who had worked around the clock for five days in an effort to bring the crisis to an end before Mr. Carter left office, said that they had no idea whether the Iranians had deliberately dragged out the talks so as to insure that the hostages were not actually in the air until Mr. Reagan was President."

    "Those who have studied the negotiations since - and presumably had the ability to talk to some on the Iranian side - have since concluded that there's little to no evidence that the incoming president's foreign policy was a significant factor....

    And it's quite likely, indeed, that the timing of the release was chosen by the Iranians to give the least possible amount of satisfaction and credit to the hated Jimmy Carter, who had given sanction to the Shah during his dying days."

    Ronald Reagan and the Iran Hostage Crisis

  • WTF||

    Those who have studied the negotiations since - and presumably had the ability to talk to some on the Iranian side - have since concluded that there's little to no evidence that the incoming president's foreign policy was a significant factor

    That's an opinion that I am going to have to disagree with. There is no way the policy and perceived attitudes of an incoming president would have little effect on such a situation.

  • Charles Easterly||

    "There is no way the policy and perceived attitudes of an incoming president would have little effect on such a situation."

    I agree with you here in general, WTF. I believe that governments which oppose the government running the U.S. will certainly treat a Carly Fiorina administration quite differently than they would a Ben Carson administration, for example.

    With regards to the release of our hostages from Iran (a specific case), we have historical information indicating that the Carter Administration tried to secure their release before Carter left office.

    Unlike the author whom I quoted in my earlier post, perhaps you and I would see matters differently, since we could envision the Iranians moving slowly to not only spite Carter but appease Reagan.

  • Free Society||

    I could see nukes as a guarantee for a micro-state's sovereignty against a statist foe, but not a safeguard against insurgents or otherwise semi-conventional forces who can't simply be nuked.

  • Derpetologist||

    Ah, I forgot to connect the two. Still, if the only concerns are invasion and conquest, seems like nukes would be more than enough. Switzerland has had 200 years of peace without nukes, but then again, they don't try to police the world.

  • Agammamon||

    Then again they've maintained a strong *conventional* military force instead along with a policy of never get pushed into supporting an 'ally'.

  • Free Society||

    Actually they've maintained an irregular force with a tiny conventional component that makes up something like 5% of their military, and for good reason.

  • Agammamon||

    Ah, yeah. I meant 'conventional' not as in regular military, but as 'not nuclear' - lot's of guys with guns. I gotta remember context, context, context.

  • Agammamon||

    I have to wonder why a country with nuclear weapons would need a large military anyway.

    That's actually pretty easy to answer - so the country in question has a full spectrum of responses *in between* 'ignore you' and 'utterly destroy you with hellfire'.

  • The Last American Hero||

    You would be correct if the only wars we fought were wars of national survival.

  • Derpetologist||

    I didn't say a country with nukes does not need a conventional military, only that it would not need a LARGE conventional military.

  • Agammamon||

    It needs a conventional military large enough to counter its potential military opponents. And large enough to be blatantly obvious who will come out ahead in a large-scale action.

  • Pan Zagloba||

    Israel had nukes in '73, everyone knew it, yet Egypt and Syria invaded anyway. Israel then fought them with conventional army rather than commit genocide. Of course, who knows what would have happened if Tel Aviv or Jaffa were threatened (but neither Egypt or Syria really wanted to go that far).

    Here's Yes, Prime Minister on why nuclear deterrent doesn't deter.

  • Pan Zagloba||

    And watching that clip reminds me, Britain created the history's largest empire on a back of tiny, all-volunteer Army (and a huge, selectively-volunteer Navy), so no, you don't need draft to world police effectively. Maybe press gangs at most.

  • ||

    I’m the woman you met on Ashley Madison: How the rush of infidelity led to affairs online
    Unable to remain faithful to my perfect husband, I turned to the site for intensity, escape -- and sex

    When I finally did feel comfortable to post a (faraway and sunglassed) photo on my AM profile, I was bombarded with likes and winks and invitations to view private photo galleries. At first, it was kind of fun. So many men! So many men who could potentially be mine! Then it became overwhelming. The sheer volume diluted the experience, making it more overstimulating than stimulating. I liked it better when I was doing the shopping.

    Yet there was still a deeply addictive quality to it all.

    One man once asked me if all the Internet attention “gave me high self-esteem.” I can say with confidence that non-specific, voluminous “likes” and “winks” and generic compliments had very little effect on my own self-worth. I wish it were that easy. Interestingly, men kept telling me how “normal” I seemed. This was the closest to flattered that I felt, a form of reassurance that despite this totally inappropriate, amoral and dishonest venture, I was still A-OK at my core. In hindsight, I recognize “normal” as code for “real” — not a sex worker, not a robot, but a regular woman.
  • Idle Hands||

    yeah right, there were no women on that site. She's a plant.

  • Mickey Rat||

    Apparently she was THE real woman on the site.

  • ||

    "yeah right, there were no women on that site. She's a plant."

    yeah, planet quean

  • ||

    Pics or she doesn't exist.

  • ||

    WA man shoots self in scrotum while fighting off meth hallucinations of ‘Mexicans in trees’

    After threatening her, Hoyer returned to his apartment but said that’s when he saw “Mexicans in the trees” outside his apartment who were plotting to jump him. He also imagined more “Mexicans” were in a second neighbor’s apartment trying to get her to open Hoyer’s apartment door so they could rob him, the Herald reports.

    This is when Hoyer went to her apartment to “save” her. When he went to kick in her door, he caused his gun to go off. The bullet ricocheted off his hip bone and went into his lower abdomen, coming to rest in his scrotum, authorities told the paper. Police found him walking with the injury from his apartment to his truck.

    We all know Mexicans can't climb trees.

  • Rich||

    The bullet ricocheted off his hip bone and went into his lower abdomen, coming to rest in his scrotum

    "Hey, Baby, wanna feel my *three* balls?"

  • 0x90||

    Is that a musket ball, or are you just...

  • ||

    No, Mexican can't climb tress, but does STEVE SMITH?

  • ||

    I believe he RAPES TREES - when a HIKER ISN'T HANDY

  • Swiss Servator||

    STEVE SMITH RAPE TREE, THEN CLIMB UP AND RAPE PISTOL PACKING BALLSHOOTER!

  • ||

    "We all know Mexicans can't climb trees."

    He confusing the mud people with the monkey people. The now, the mistake is understandable.

  • ||

    John Boehner Quit Because He Was Going To Be Fired



    And that’s why it’s a shame to hear from the outgoing Boehner, defeated and depressed, warning of “false prophets” like Ted Cruz. The actual words Boehner says about the Obamacare shutdown battle indicate how he’s got things turned around. “Over the course of the August recess and September in 2013… my Republican colleagues… they were getting a lot of pressure from home to do this.” Don’t fall into the trap of thinking this is about pressure that comes from Washington, any more than Borders should blame Amazon over their lost customers. It is a case of a complete asymmetry of understanding. Republican Party leadership and the donor class have acquiesced to the idea that a second term president is an uncheckable emperor who can do whatever he wills. They remain frustrated with the significant portion of their base that refuses to go along with this new understanding of the separation of powers.

    So Republican leaders say: “Barack Obama is effectively our king so long as Democrats stand with him – and you must accept this fact.” But still, the conservative base asks: “Why?”
  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Get ready for Speaker Gohmert!

  • Derpetologist||

    Spot the Not: Mike Tyson

    1. I'm a dreamer. I have to dream and reach for the stars, and if I miss a star then I grab a handful of clouds.

    2. I could feel his muscle tissues collapse under my force. It's ludicrous these mortals even attempt to enter my realm.

    3. I will punch him until his guts are coming out of his mouth and then play jump

    rope with his intestines.

    4. My biggest weakness is my sensitivity. I am too sensitive a person.

    5. I just want to conquer people and their souls.

  • Derpetologist||

    6. I don't understand why people would want to get rid of pigeons. They don't bother no one.

    7. I just don't kill anything no more. I used to kill pigeons, rip their heads off, 'You dirty rat pigeon!' I don't even have the heart to kill an animal no more. I just changed my whole life in general.

    8. My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart! I want to eat his children! Praise be to Allah!

    9. I wish that you guys had children so I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you could feel my pain because that's the pain I have waking up every day.

    10. I ain't the same person I was when I bit that guy's ear off.

    11. I probably have a 20,000-word vocabulary. I'll match my wits with anyone on literature, science and the arts.

    12. Do you know what I do sometimes? Put on a ski mask and dress in old clothes, go out on the streets and beg for quarters.

    13. I rushed him and caught him flush on the temple with a titanic right hand he was out cold, convulsing on the floor like an infantile retard.

    14. He called me a ‘rapist’ and a ‘recluse.’ I’m not a recluse.

    15. Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth.

  • Trump-o-Matic 5000||

    #2 seems too articulate, in my opinion, but I'm suspicious of #7, as well.

  • Florida Man||

    15 is the Ghost and the Darkness.

  • Swiss Servator||

    11

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    If I hadn't actually seen Tyson state number 8 on live TV, I would have gone with Ismail Haniyeh for that one.

  • WTF||

    7

  • Aloysious||

    1. Too dreamy.

  • ||

    #14. He's never admitted to being a rapist AFAIK

  • Derpetologist||

    And the Not is #7. I forget where I heard that from.

    Here is his wikiquote page. It's about the same length as Mao Zedong's.

    https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mike_Tyson

  • ||

    you know who else wanted to create a global coalition...

    Vladimir Putin Says He Wants to Create a Global Coalition Against Terrorism

    Addressing the United Nations General Assembly for the first time in more than a decade, Russian President Vladimir Putin called Monday for a broad anti-terror coalition aimed at stopping the Islamic State—and in a pointed challenge to President Barack Obama, hinted that this coalition should back the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

    The team, Putin explained, would be "similar to the anti-Hitler coalition." Speaking about the Islamic State in lurid terms, he added, "We cannot allow these criminals who have already tasted blood to return back home and continue their evil."

    "Russia stands ready to work with its partners on the basis of consensus," Putin said. It's not clear, though, whether he expects the US to be one of these "partners." According to the Washington Post, Putin has historically used the word "partners" to refer to countries with whom relations are tense.
  • Drake||

    The anti-Hitler coalition? Wasn't that also the pro-Stalin coalition?

  • Free Society||

    Seems to me that Putin has the right of this. If intervention is on the menu, probably best not to intervene on behalf of the terrorist faction in this civil war and probably best to let the secular despots of the Middle East rise and fall on their own accord. The west systematically wiping out the secularist regimes across the region has been an unmitigated disaster.

  • ||

    "The west systematically wiping out the secularist regimes across the region has been an unmitigated disaster."

    No shit. By 'the west' I assume you mean Obumbles.

  • Free Society||

    He wasn't the only dirtbag supporting that terrorist army in Libya.

  • Derpetologist||

    Spot the Not: subatomic particles

    1. lepton

    2. muon

    3. furon

    4. boson

    5. hadron

    6. meson

  • gaijin||

    3

  • Florida Man||

    3

  • PM||

    Muon is both a particle and a package manager for KDE

  • gaoxiaen||

    3

  • Derpetologist||

    3 is the Not. That is the name of an alien race from a video game. I was leaning towards groupon as the not, but I thought that was too easy.

  • ||

    I exposed Steve Scalise’s white nationalist past — and yet he may soon become even more powerful
    As House GOP reshuffles leaders, congressman with David Duke ties may become second most powerful representative

    Less than a day after it was first reported, Scalise acknowledged the story was indeed true. He issued a halfhearted apology and claimed he was unaware, at the time, of the organization’s affiliation with the former grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. He was there, he said, merely to speak in opposition to a tax proposal, the Stelly Tax Plan, that was being debated in the Legislature.

    I know this story very well, because I am the blogger from Louisiana who broke it wide open. I also know, without a shadow of a doubt, that Steve Scalise was painfully aware of where he was and whom he was addressing. The writing was literally on the wall.

    Even though Scalise admitted and apologized for his participation in the meeting, he has yet to be completely honest with the American public. He was not there to speak about the Stelly Tax Plan; at the time, the bill had only been pre-filed, and the debate about it actually kicked off months later.
  • Illocust||

    I remember this bullshit. Basically the organizer of the EURO event had overbooked the room. He was a supporter of the congressman, so he invited him down to speak to some local old folks in the free room. The whole thing was so incredibly minor that the congressman and his staffers couldn't even remember the time period enough to deny that he'd been there. They literally had to come back a couple days later after sorting through itineraries and emails from the time to figure out what the hell had been going on.

    Liberal blogger freaks the hell out years later.

  • PM||

    I know this story very well, because I am the blogger from Louisiana who broke it wide open.

    Woodward and Bernstein eat your hearts out.

  • Raven Nation||

    Fair enough: we all remember the years of liberal bloggers attaching Robert Byrd for his Klan ties.

  • Agammamon||

    If you strike me down I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Trump's Obamacare Replacement Plan Sounds Quite a Bit Like Obamacare

    http://www.bloomberg.com/polit.....-obamacare

    Private marketplaces, public premium support, no prohibition on existing conditions,,,,

    Mother fucker! The Bid-ness Man loves him some Obamacare!

  • Trump-o-Matic 5000||

    PB YOU ARE THE SMARTEST OF SMART PEOPLE ON THIS WEBSITE WE ARE ALL LUCKY TO HAVE YOU HERE!!!!

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Can't I bitch about full of shit politicians too?

  • Trump-o-Matic 5000||

    YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU PUT YOUR MIND TO!!! I BELIEVE IN YOU!

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Goddamnit. I forget every time. I'm only supposed to bitch about TEAM BLUE!

    Sorry.

  • Free Society||

    Private marketplaces, public premium support, no prohibition on existing conditions,,,,

    Mother fucker! The Bid-ness Man loves him some Obamacare!

    You're too busy whitewashing team blue to reasonably criticize anyone. For example, here you claim one of the defining characteristics of Obamacare is "private market places".

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    The main part of the ACA is a private health insurance market place (Cigna, Anthem, etc) with an overpriced fed built web front end. It's not a "free market" but it sure as hell is a regulated privately owned system.

    You should know that if you pay any attention to politics.

  • Free Society||

    The main part of the ACA is a private health insurance market place

    It's a tightly controlled cartel, and ever moving towards a full monopoly system. Not much of a market.

    You should know that if you pay any attention to politics.

    Right, it's such a "private" market system that paying close attention to political happenings is how you'll gain insight into it. Makes perfect sense.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Yes, it has been a cartel for decades.

    The point is that the idiot Trump supports Obamacare basics.

  • PM||

    The point is that the idiot Trump supports Obamacare basics.

    So do you. And coincidentally, you're the only person on this site that gives a flying fuck about Donald Trump.

  • Rhywun||

    Trump has supported a lot of leftist crap - or still does depending on which way he's flip-flopping that day.

  • ||

    "The point is that the idiot Trump supports Obamacare basics."

    As do you.

  • NotAnotherSkippy||

    The main part of Barrycare is Medicaid. That is where the majority of new coverage has come from. You certainly don't get to claim success for the millions you forced out of perfectly good private plans onto mandated "private" plans.

  • tarran||

    Some members of the climate change cult have been in for a rude awakening as they learn:

    1) If you think your opponents are behaving in the same corrupt way you do you should ask yourself "Am I engaging in projection" before making really public accusations of the sort that are hard to retract.

    2) If you are engaging in corrupt acts, it's a bad idea to call attention to it.

    First Steve McIntyre started digging into some financial disclosure forms

    Roger Pielke Jr [discovered] that, in addition to his university salary from George Mason University, Jagadish Shukla, the leader of the #RICO20, together with his wife, had received a further $500,000 more in 2014 alone from federal climate grants funnelled through a Shukla-controlled “non-profit” (IGES), yielding total income in 2014 of approximately $750,000.
    ...
    In addition, the “non-profit” organization had also employed one of Shukla’s children.; and, IGES transferred $100,000 from its climate grants to a second corporation controlled by the Shukla family ..., which in turn transferred $100,000 to an educational charity in Shukla’s home town in India,...

    Subsequently this happened.

    Run away.... Letter asking Obama for RICO investigation of skeptics removed from IGES.org website.
  • The Last American Hero||

    Sounds like he fucking loves science.

  • R C Dean||

    He fucking loves science funding, anyway.

  • Illocust||

    Sweet, maybe we'll see some of these guys going down....Nah, I should know better.

  • Je suis Woodchipper||

    mic drop

  • ||

    There's still going to have to be a major cultural shift with environmentalist propaganda being pushed from every angle, all the time, and it being the unacknowledged religion of the modern age. Hell, at my high school a decade and a half ago there was a big push that we were all DOOMED, DOOMED, without Kyoto, and the push for like narratives is only more omnipresent now.

    On average I get a significantly warmer reception advocating the removal of restrictions on full-auto firearms than when I vocalize even quite reserved skepticism of the Church of Gaia, let alone what I really think. People get really touchy at the slightest hint of dissent.

  • Rhywun||

    Eco-everything was already mainstream in my German high school 30 years ago. It's now so embedded throughout western culture it's nearly impossible to resist it.

  • grrizzly||

    +1 Audi's Green Police. I wonder if there were diesel autos in that ad.

  • ||

    Audi's Green Police

    I thought that was Cheap Trick?

  • JW||

    Nice. It won't matter to any of the drooling faithful, but it's nice for the good guys to "win" one.

  • NotAnotherSkippy||

    WILLIE SOON. PHAKE SKANDAL. CONSENSUS.

    I realize I forgot the drool, but I think I got the rest.

  • ||

    I just don't get it. These warmistas could not be more obvious scam artists and yet people eat their shit up, but I am the denier. It is fucking laughable.

    The Tony sock should come tell us how we are all in the pocket of Big Oil.

  • ||

    A woman has described how a rare strand of obsessive compulsive disorder meant she was plagued with continuous sexual thoughts for more than a decade.

    And it's called "pure O"

  • ||

    I thought that was called "being a teenager"

  • Trump-o-Matic 5000||

    I thought it was called "being a man"

  • Rich||

  • Citizen X||

    +1 Naked Lunch

  • ||

    recounts how she made eye contact with actor Jake Gyllenhaal only to find his head replaced by a giant, dancing vagina

    That was no hallucination, that was 'Bubble Boy'!

  • Irish ♥s ESB||

    An image shows how pure O visions might manifest. In the book, Bretécher recounts how she made eye contact with actor Jake Gyllenhaal only to find his head replaced by a giant, dancing vagina
  • lap83||

    How could she tell it was a hallucination?

  • MJGreen - Docile Citizen||

    Talk about an O-face.

  • lap83||

    I am guessing a very high percentage of those cases are photogenic Catholic girls who happen to be writers.

  • Idle Hands||

    why are you such a hater?

  • lap83||

    It's OCD, I can't help it

  • straffinrun||

    If that was 5 decades I would've guessed her name was Caitlyn.

  • Charles Easterly||

    I think I just heard a snare drum.

  • Rich||

    Clinton Aide Shared Classified Information With Foundation, Email Shows

    “When a subject matter sent the information on the unclassified system, [Mills] presumed it was unclassified,” said the attorney.

    "Of course, I'm not an IT person."

  • Idle Hands||

    As if that's an excuse. Someone is going to go to jail.

  • Rich||

    Citation needed.

  • WTF||

    Nope. The only people capable of holding Hillary accountable have no desire to do so.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Area activist blames "free-market" for high prices

    I lost my two-year-old daughter to a rare and as yet incurable disease. It's funny how the memory of mind-numbing fear and rat-trapped-in-a-cage desperation lurks just below the surface of a mother's existence after losing a child. The memory of being unable to do anything to save my child isn't just a mental exercise. It is a very real and raw sensation that I relive over and over and will my entire life at unpredictable moments. So when I pictured a man like Mr. Shkreli someday holding the key to a terminally ill two-year-old's only hope of survival, I became literally sick.

    It's easy to vilify this man. His choice to make a 5000 percent return on an old product was obviously pure, unadulterated greed. Only the most naïve individual or an individual who is totally invested in the ideology of free markets at the expense of humanity would be satisfied with his flimsy excuses. Even the trade group PhRMA has distanced itself from his actions in a public statement...

    But this man's actions put before Americans a case study that should trigger some collective self-examination. This story gives us an opportunity to rethink the principles we as a society operate on that allows a man like Mr. Shkreli to do what he does.

    If she's concerned about not finding a cure for rare diseases she should be mad at the FDA.

  • Free Society||

    Or if she wants to be sure there won't be a cure for millions of other children, she should crusade against venture capitalists because they're so greedy and ideological and stuff.

  • MJGreen - Docile Citizen||

    I saw some idiot on my facebook feed yesterday with a link to some Shkreli story, with the comment, "Regulate Big Pharma." Apparently the pharmaceutical industry is the wild west.

  • MJGreen - Docile Citizen||

    And yes, to your point, I hope she also becomes "literally sick" when she thinks about the FDA withholding life-saving medication from her child, even if the child is sure to die otherwise.

  • Free Society||

    Rand Paul is taking a break from his presidential campaign to do some fundraising for his Senate reelection campaign.

    Yeah he'd better. That's the only election he stands a chance of winning at this point.

  • straffinrun||

    Two *shot in the groin* stories, *newborn falls from building* and a troll. I might have to start hanging out at pm lynx.

  • ||

    +1 Ouch My Balls

  • Crusty Juggler||

    The pm links people are pro-sandal. They vehemently defend their sandal wearing ways. They are disgusting people.

  • ||

    Sandals? If I could ban one thing in the world, it would be men wearing sandals.

  • Lee G||

    But what if they wear wool socks with them?

  • Lee G||

    But what if they wear wool socks with them?

  • ||

    two pairs of wool socks?

  • Lee G||

    This has been happening lately. I don't know what's going on. It's like the squirrels have a hit out on me.

  • straffinrun||

    maybe he's a sheep

  • SugarFree||

    Dr. Warty Hugeman and the Mad Professor Syzygy

    “Is this supposed to frighten me, Professor Syzygy? I’m not someone who frightens easily.”

    “You will know an eternity of fear before this infinite day is over, Dr. Hugeman. I shall lecture you on it! I shall hold a seminar!” Syzygy screamed. His miter board fell of his head as he gestured wildly with his crackling plasma yardstick.

    Dr. Warty Hugeman struggled to break the unbreakable student desk he had been tied to with unbreakable bonds while suspended from an unbreakable rope over a pit of writhing ultravipers. He knew the lethality of the ultravipers; he had bred them himself in order to wipe out the royal family of an alternate Earth ruled by superintelligent and sexually depraved chipmunks. He had made a monument out of their shat out bones.

    “Do you really expect me to tell you where the timesuit is?” Warty asked, sneering.

    “No, Dr. Hugeman. I expect you to die!” Syzygy chortled.

    “You stole that from a movie!”

    “No I didn’t! I was saying that a billion years before Ian Fleming was even born! Fleming stole it from ME!” Syzygy swung the plasma yardstick at a globe on his desk and it exploded into flames.

    Warty strained his muscled bulk once more. “Are these things really unbreakable?” he asked, after the Professor calmed down.

    “Completely! I took them from a Pain Brothel in the Dominatrix System!”

    “Is there any particular reason why I'm naked, Professor?”

  • SugarFree||

    “It's not like that, you oversexed goon! You know I had to get this off of you!” Syzygy shook the turgid Cervix Smasher at Warty accusingly.

    “Be careful with that, Professor. It's very sensitive.” The Professor screamed in disgust and dropped the massive set of weaponized genitals.

    Warty strained against the ropes once more. They needed to be weakened. He concentrated and sent a command to his feet and wrists to begin producing acidic sweat. He let his fingertips fall off and used the diamond edges of his fingerbones to saw at the ropes. A thin trickle of explosive prostatic fluid began to run from the connection valve of the Cervix Smasher. His saliva glands initiated production of blinding venom. His canines grew two inches. He loaded a fart of concentrated VX gas into his rectal cannon.

    “I’m going to slap you to death with my robocock when I get loose, Professor. I suggest you start running now.” The ropes began to part under the onslaught from his fingerbones. A powerful charge was gathering in his pubic hair. “If you’re fast enough, I might leave some small part of you slightly unfucked.”

    Professor Syzygy stared in horror as Warty pulled one foot loose and then the other, the unbreakable ropes parting like rotted silk.

  • ||

    “If you’re fast enough, I might leave some small part of you slightly unfucked.”

    That's definitely stolen from Ian Fleming

  • Crusty Juggler||

    +1 unbreakable, which I am still laughing about

  • ||

    You will know an eternity of fear before this infinite day is over, Dr. Hugeman.

    I'm not sure why I'm laughing my ass off over this line. I guess maybe because of the tautology?

  • ||

    +1 rectal cannon

  • WTF||

    Awesome

  • JW||

    Pubic hair? I have it on good authority that Dr. Warty is like a turtle shell down there.

  • SugarFree||

    Dr. Hugeman's hirsuteness waxes and wanes with the phases of the Earth moon. Anyone familiar with Issue #73, "This Warty, This Monster" would know that.

  • JW||

    This is what I get for taking seriously anything in Episiarch's advice column, "Toenail Clippings and Other Delicious Recipes."

  • SugarFree||

    I think Epi is just far too obsessed with the idea of Warty not having any public hair. It's like it's all he thinks about some days, the delicious smoothness of Warty junktacular undercarriage.

  • Citizen X||

    Hee hee hee, "public hair."

  • SugarFree||

    Oh, man. That is a great typo.

    I had this book as a kid that was about human anatomy. The crotch areas of both sexes were blank, like Barbie and Ken's and it just said "Pubic Area." I didn't know that word, so I read it as "Public Area." Maybe that's what's wrong with me.

  • Charles Easterly||

    "Maybe that's what's wrong with me."

    Don't sell yourself short, SugarFree.

    (This is the first time I remember making it all the way through one of your stories, for whatever that is worth)

  • Citizen X||

    That explains so, so much.

  • Drake||

    The Nassau County District Attorney's Office on New York's Long Island bars its prosecutors from possessing a handgun, even at home, unless a special exception is made by the Acting District Attorney, Madeline Singas, according to an application for employment.

    Nice. So it's not just our rights they trample.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015.....tcmp=hpbt3

  • Crusty Juggler||

    It is probably smart considering that district attorneys would have to spend a lot of time driving around Long Island.

  • Jerryskids||

    From the article: "Our practice of asking prosecutors to not possess handguns is to ensure the safety and comfort of staff, victims, and witnesses, and is consistent with other district attorney’s offices in the New York City metropolitan area."

    From the application form "Gun Ownership" section to be signed: I understand that assistant district attorneys are not permitted to apply for a handgun permit nor own or possess a handgun while employed by the Nassau County District Attorney. Any exception to this policy must be in writing and approved by the District Attorney.

    That's a funny way of 'asking'.

  • Drake||

    Funny way for lawyers to run a shop.

  • Derpetologist||

    Lefty News Clown Round-up

    -Heard some American reporter interviewing Putin. The guy kissed Putin's ass. He said "Russia, with its nuclear arsenal, is a force to be reckoned with." Putin said something like "well, I hope so."

    -Chris Hayes tried to get Fiorina to admit that her description of the Planned Parenthood videos were a lie. He slipped up when he said that what Fiorina described was merely a "re-enactment" or "stock footage" rather than something that had happened recently.

    -Jake Tapper tried to corner Carson about his comments on Islam. Tapper gave the usual line about extremists in every religion and asked Carson if he would oppose Christian extremists seeking office. Carson said he opposes a theocracy of any kind. If a Christian candidate ran on subverting the constitution, that's just as bad.

    -Chris Hayes trashed Trump's tax plan. He talked about the rate cuts for the wealthy but left out the part where the plan also exempts everyone earning less than $25k/yr from income tax.

  • Drake||

    The worst part of Trump's plan are the international taxes.

  • Michael||

    Today's idiocy going around on Facebook...

    http://www.salon.com/2013/10/2.....d_bigotry/

    Make no mistake: I have not left the Republican Party. It left me. I cannot tolerate a political party that demeans Texans based on their sexual orientation, the color of their skin or their economic status. I will not be a member of a Party in which hate speech elevates candidates for higher office rather than disqualifying them. I cannot place my name on the ballot for a political party that is proud to destroy the lives of hundreds of thousands of federal workers over the vain attempt to repeal a law that would provide health care to millions of people throughout our country.

    How the fuck did you consider yourself a Republican in the first place?

  • Drake||

    Back in the 80's when the GOP was running tranny candidates and handing out free sex changes?

  • Irish ♥s ESB||

    Yeah, I call bullshit.

    "I've always been super pro-gay marriage and in favor of socialized medicine, both of which the Republicans never supported, but I will still a Republican."

  • Lee G||

    Progs love stories of redemption.

  • WTF||

    Yeah, obvious troll job.

  • Raven Nation||

    I knew a guy who told me that he was always a staunch conservative/Republican until the GOP got involved in the abortion wars. This caused him to switch to the liberals/Democrats. Which raised the obvious (but unasked) question: so why, exactly, where you a Republican if you junked everything else when you switched parties?

  • ||

    Let's get back to the basics for a sec. If Republicanism is conservative, then this guy never was.

    Simple as that.

  • ||

    Is it me or is South Park back with a vengeance. Man, the first two eps were a scream.

  • Illocust||

    Loved the first episode. It was such a pitch perfect skewering or pc types. Haven't watched the second, but I think I will tonight.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    If you're a Trump supporter bring some toilet tissue for your bleeding ass.

  • ||

    This is also true if you are actually Trump.

  • ||

    You only say that because of the Canadian theme.

    Agree - the perfect balance of caustic and funny. The second ep actually made the news here because of Garrison's magic moment with The Canuck Donald

  • ||

    WE CRAVE ATTENTION FROM OUR AMERICAN COUSINS!

  • Je suis Woodchipper||

    thanks for the referral. i will check it out.

  • Slammer||

    The Monument to Russia’s Favorite Bus LiAZ-677

    LiAZ-677 was former Soviet Union’s most famous bus. It ran on all urban roads all over the union for more than 30 years, and gained fans all over the nation. The bus was manufactured by Likinskiy Avtobusnyi Zavod, Russian for “Likino Bus Plant”, or LiAZ in short — a bus manufacturing company based on Likino-Dulyovo, the town where the monument is located.

    Despite its ubiquity and popularity, LiAZ-677 was not a comfortable bus, nor was it efficient. Its engine had an enormous appetite for gasoline, consuming 35 liters of petrol per hundred kilometers. Because of design flaw in the passenger compartment heating system, the interior of the bus would fill with fumes. Drivers complained about noise in the driver's seat, and during the summer months the engine would run excessively hot. The transmission also made a characteristically loud noise similar to the “sound of empty bottles”. But it had a large capacity of 110 passengers which was useful during rush hours. One Reddit user describes his experiences of travelling on LiAZ-677 as squeezing himself “with a hundred other poor souls into this crowded coffin.”
  • SusanM||

    Wasteful and poisons the people it ostensibly helps. Perfect product of socialist labor.

  • ||

    ^This.

    Yeah, whoda thunkit?

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    'Duck Dynasty' Star Ditches Bobby Jindal For Donald Trump
    But Jindal's campaign denies that they've lost their most high-profile endorsement.

    (HuffPo)

    MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGIN!

  • Irish ♥s ESB||

    Left-wing retardation of the week: Vice.com claims the US is "denying abortions" to women worldwide, by which they mean we aren't giving out foreign aid to other countries to give abortions to their own citizens.

    So America shouldn't be the world's policeman, but we should be the world's abortionist.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Abortions are better than that idiots "ABC" and AIDS in Africa programs.

    But agreed. We should not do either.

  • bacon-magic||

    So you do hate the Africans. *checks off box on chart

  • PM||

    Look, do you want to solve the migrant crisis or don't you?

  • straffinrun||

    "We should rally and expand efforts that support survivors of ISIS brutality, including women and girls who have returned from captivity. Perpetrators should pay a price for their crimes, not survivors."

    I'm betting a pro lifer could use that logic against him.

  • Illocust||

    That would require him understanding the other side. Pro-choice are really good at ignoring the talks about if a fetus has right to life and instead screaming their opponents want to oppress women.

    It's going to hurt them severely down the road. I've gone from no clue what to think to leaning towards pro-life, just because pro-life is the only side I hear arguing for why their opinion on when a fetus has a right to live is the correct one. Hell, their the only ones I hear arguing science and morality at all. It makes for a rather one sided debate.

  • Riven||

    Regardless of whether you've heard them or not, I'd say there are well articulated arguments for both sides.

  • Illocust||

    I'm sure there are, but I'm not hearing them. It's not a lack of exposure either. I know two folks who volunteer for Planned Parenthood. It may just be a social pressure thing. The circles I hear the most from are really pro-choice, so any idiot feels safe voicing their support, but those who are pro-life are scared of being ostracized, so they only speak up when they have a really good point in their favor.

  • ||

    You've never heard them say that a woman should not be forced to nourish and support a fetus with her own body for several months, and that it basically amounts to forced life support?

    I mean, shit, "my body, my choice" is a moral argument.

  • R C Dean||

    a woman should not be forced to nourish and support a fetus with her own body for several months, and that it basically amounts to forced life support

    That's it, in a nutshell. And its not a bad start. The responses to it, which are rarely dealt with as far as I can tell, include the following:

    (1) The fetus is a person, and on balance your obligation to provide forced life support does not weigh heavier on the scales than a person's right to life. There is a very interesting argument to be had about this proposition as it might apply in other situations.

    (2) Absent rape, the woman is pregnant because she took the risk of being pregnant, and carrying the fetus to term is the foreseeable consequence of that risk.

    (3) Why is it that a woman can disclaim responsibility for a pregnancy, but a man cannot?

  • ||

    Sorry Nikki, but absent a woman becoming pregnant against her will (rape) that really isn't a convincing argument.

  • Riven||

    Interesting. The circles I hear most from are really pro-life. I live in Montana, and your example of pro-choicers being more outspoken than pro-lifers (who are afraid of being ostracized) is exactly the opposite of what I experience here.

    So... I guess you could say the pro-choice folks around here only speak up when they have a really good point in their favor, also.

    Maybe it is lack of exposure.

  • ||

    There's also the "fuck you dad" aspect of things like Tacos, Beer and Abortions, where it certainly seems like the strong secondary goal is offending the hell out of people they don't like instead of offering any sort of philosophical objection on the issue of where human life and thus rights begin.

  • Irish ♥s ESB||

    The proper answer is that a fetus in very early stages of development probably can't be considered a human being, but that some time before birth it becomes developed enough that it can be considered a human being.

    That's actually the argument you hear from most people who are 'pro-life.' Very few people are actually against all abortion. The difference between the two sides is actually that most people who self-identify as pro-life are in favor of some legal abortion, whereas the real fanatics are the pro-choicers who think you should be allowed to have an abortion of choice in the 26th week of a pregnancy, which basically amounts to out and out infanticide.

    Example: They want you to be allowed to have an abortion at the 24th week and are adamant about that. At the 24th week, the fetus is so well developed that it sometimes will actually show distaste if the mom eats something bitter.

    A lot of pro-choicers think you should be allowed to murder that.

  • SugarFree||

    whereas the real fanatics

    Cool story, bro.

  • grrizzly||

    I usually use the term pro-abortion extremists.

  • ||

    The difference between the two sides is actually that most people who self-identify as pro-life are in favor of some legal abortion, whereas the real fanatics are the pro-choicers who think you should be allowed to have an abortion of choice in the 26th week of a pregnancy, which basically amounts to out and out infanticide.

    Leaving aside the "real fanatics" issue, it seems to me much more like the difference between the sides is in emphasis. There are a ton of people who would also call themselves "pro-choice" who would be comfortable with the same kind of late-term ban that moderate pro-lifers want, but the emphasis is on, "It's okay to have an abortion, and that's an important choice to have" vs. "It's wrong to have an abortion, but we have to let some people do it sometimes."

    And frankly both sides are represented in public advocacy by fanatics. You don't see any of the R candidates up on stage saying "abortion until 20 weeks is a fine pro-life position."

  • ||

    "A lot of pro-choicers think you should be allowed to murder that."

    I have found that many that far out on the spectrum are also lefties who don't subscribe to the notion of inherent rights at all. Not only do they have no problem murdering infants, they have no problem murdering you for a good cause.

  • ||

    Hell, their the only ones I hear arguing science and morality at all. It makes for a rather one sided debate.

    So you've literally never talked to a pro-choicer?

  • Riven||

    That's pretty much exactly it, I think. She and Irish just huddle together and enjoy the tiny echo chamber.

  • Idle Hands||

    No echo chamber worth its salt can be tiny.

  • PM||

    huddle together and enjoy the tiny echo chamber.

    Pots, kettles.

  • SugarFree||

    Not accepting an argument is not the same as no argument being made.

  • Illocust||

    Mom's pro-choice and volunteers at Planned Parenthood. Best friend's mom from high school used to work at an abortion clinic. Best friend from high school incredibly pro-choice.

    Dragged to a pro-abortion speaker event in high school by both moms. Thought it seemed a little one sided and openly wondered what the other side had to say (highly active in debate type clubs at the time, wasn't out of character for any issue). Got yelled at by friend's mom and told that the other side was 'religious nuts' who just wanted to 'oppress women' and that they weren't worth listening to.

    I've been exposed to the pro-choice side.

  • ||

    And you've never heard them say, "my body, my choice"?

  • lap83||

    You know most pro-choicers don't apply that principle to any other area of life besides abortion.

  • lap83||

    On the flip-side, most pro-lifers don't advocate murdering people

  • ||

    That's great for them. I do.

  • PM||

    That's great for them. I do.

    Racist sex workers notwithstanding...

  • PM||

    (that's a joke btw, you can spare me the monologue for the third time)

  • R C Dean||

    And that's kind of a problem. When you build your case on a highly principled general proposition like that, it works better if you apply it across the board. Too many pro-choicers don't.

    To be clear, I land on no abortion after viability (except to save the life of the mother). You, as a pregnant woman, still have agency, which means you have responsibility for things like (a) getting pregnant due to voluntary sex and (b) noticing you are pregnant within 5 months. Your freedom is always constrained by your responsibilities in this world.

  • ||

    ...And RC nails it.

  • ||

    "You know most pro-choicers don't apply that principle to any other area of life besides abortion."

    Bingo. also most pro-lifers dont promote self-ownership in other areas.

    There is a lot of cognitive dissonance on both sides.

  • PM||

    And you've never heard them say, "my body, my choice"?

    I think that was rather the point.

  • Illocust||

    "My body, my choice" is a slogan that ignores the debate. It ignore the scientific and moral debate of when in human development rights begin to exist. It completely fails to address why the aggressors right to bodily autonomy outweighs the non-aggressors right to life. It also fails to account for actions taken by one party that confer responsibility for the predicament of the other party who by their very nature cannot have made any conscious decision or action that resulted in their situation, and if this responsibility would also confer privileges as compensation for the non-responsible party that would not otherwise exist.

  • PM||

    "My body, my choice" is a slogan that ignores the debate.

    It doesn't ignore the debate, it just begs the question, so it's unpersuasive except to the already converted. There's certain premises that are axiomatic for each side on the abortion issue. Each rejects the other's fundamental premise, which is why there is no real debate to be had.

  • Illocust||

    PM, what is the pro-choice side's premise then? If it is that a fetus doesn't have a right to life, then that matches up perfectly with the debate the pro-life side wants to have about if they do or do not. It doesn't seem to be literally bodily autonomy considering the vast amounts of things that slogan doesn't get applied to. Is it something like sexual freedom free from bad results is good?

  • ||

    If it is that a fetus doesn't have a right to life, then that matches up perfectly with the debate the pro-life side wants to have about if they do or do not.

    Yes, this is basically the premise. The fetus does not have a right to a life that relies on the pregnant woman.

  • Illocust||

    It completely fails to address why the aggressors right to bodily autonomy outweighs the non-aggressors right to life. It also fails to account for actions taken by one party that confer responsibility for the predicament of the other party who by their very nature cannot have made any conscious decision or action that resulted in their situation, and if this responsibility would also confer privileges as compensation for the non-responsible party that would not otherwise exist.

    Your car hits a slippery patch. You lose control knocking me unconscious onto your property (your actions cause my predicament, even though there was no intent). I am now trespassing. Normally you have the right to enforce your right to private property even at the expense of my right to life. Do you have the right to do so in this situation, or does the NAP mean you need to wait for me to wake up and have me consciously choose to violate your rights before you can kill me? Instead of waiting for me to wake up can you roll my unconscious body off your property and onto the busy street with the express purpose of having me run over and killed? Do any of these hypotheticals change if instead of you being the one to knock me unconscious on your property its a guy who was robbing you that does it?

  • ||

    It completely fails to address why the aggressors right to bodily autonomy outweighs the non-aggressors right to life.

    You are presupposing who is the aggressor.

    It also fails to account for actions taken by one party that confer responsibility for the predicament of the other party who by their very nature cannot have made any conscious decision or action that resulted in their situation, and if this responsibility would also confer privileges as compensation for the non-responsible party that would not otherwise exist.

    Again, for a pro-choice person who does not place much moral weight on the existence of a fetus, this just...doesn't matter. Just as you admit, the fetus has never indicated any remote preference for being alive, having not yet achieved consciousness. So the whole analogy with an unconscious trespasser breaks down for people who assume preferences extend through consciousness and the lack of it, but who don't believe fetuses have expressed any preferences.

    Indeed, the assumptions you are making are just...huge. The idea that someone who never had an intention to live, never expressed a preference to live, and in fact never consented to live, somehow has a "right to life" is a bit bizarre. Why does the fetus not instead have a "right not to be born"? They are, in many ways, equivalent positions. The idea that life, as the default, is what ought to happen, is just the naturalistic fallacy.

  • Illocust||

    "You are presupposing who is the aggressor."
    Aggression is a conscious action. The fetus made no conscious action to cause it's predicament. The woman on the other hand makes a conscious action when she chooses to abort it. There is no presupposing, even if the fetus is determined to have no rights, the woman will be the aggressor in this situation.

    "Again, for a pro-choice person who does not place much moral weight on the existence of a fetus, this just...doesn't matter."
    So what you are saying is that "My body, my choice" is just a slogan that ignores the real debate, as your argument is not body autonomy but the lack of rights of the fetus. Remember no one cares if you get a tumor cut out, even if you got it from years of smoking cigarettes.

  • PM||

    PM, what is the pro-choice side's premise then?

    Woman trumps fetus. Personhood doesn't even necessarily come into play, depending on who you're talking to, because even if the fetus does attain personhood at some point prior to birth, the autonomy (or even just personal preference) of the mother takes higher priority. In this framework, definitionally a fetus cannot have co-equal rights with the mother, so there is no moral ambiguity about destroying it.

  • Illocust||

    I could see this being true, but damn it, I try to take people at their word and no one is coming right out and saying that.

  • ||

    It doesn't ignore the debate, it just begs the question, so it's unpersuasive except to the already converted. There's certain premises that are axiomatic for each side on the abortion issue. Each rejects the other's fundamental premise, which is why there is no real debate to be had.

    This. It encapsulates a moral argument that pro-lifers reject.

  • Illocust||

    So what is the moral argument. That bodily autonomy trumps all? Because that argument means we can't put people in prison for stealing or restrain someone before they knife somebody else. If there are caveats to bodily autonomy, my original point stands that that slogan ignores the debate at hand. The debate is not based around if we have the right to do with our body as we please as long as we harm no one else, but rather two debates on if their is someone else to harm in this situation and if there is. If that person's right to life outweighs bodily autonomy when aggression and responsibility between the two parties are solely the domain of the woman.

  • ||

    That bodily autonomy trumps all?

    No, that your own bodily autonomy, as a woman, trumps that of a child that depends on you entirely and that would only ever be born because you wanted it to.

    Because that argument means we can't put people in prison for stealing or restrain someone before they knife somebody else.

    Not necessarily. First of all, pro-choice people have plenty of different political philosophies overall, so they might have various justifications for imprisonment or other punishments. But one argument would be that you can only lose your rights as punishment for violating someone else's. Unless you consider being pregnant to be a rights violation, the same idea wouldn't apply (this is the "pregnancy as punishment for sex" issue). And if you did consider it a rights violation, whose rights would be violated--if the answer is "the fetus's," you could argue that abortion was actually morally required.

    Besides, pregnancy is highly unusual in the fact that the other entity resides completely inside the pregnant woman and relies on her for 100% of its functions, so analogies to something like stealing are going to lack significant elements for many people.

  • lap83||

    Yeah, well, they don't count

  • Riven||

    Since we're going all anecdotal up in this bitch...

    My state is full of pro-life people who really wouldn't want a woman to have an abortion at any time, ever. Seriously, Plan B isn't even alright to them. And you can bet your ass that their opinions stem largely from their religion.

    I drive by two anti-abortion billboards on the short 10 mile drive to work every day.

    There's nuts on both sides, Illocust, even if you only want to acknowledge half of them.

  • Illocust||

    Anecdotes are acceptable when being accused of never being exposed to pro-choicers. I never claimed there weren't nuts on both side. That would be a silly position as there are nuts on every side of every debate ever that involved more than a hundred people.

    My earlier post's point still stands, though. I'm not hearing anything from the pro-choice side that's engaging the real debate, and if they don't fix that it's going to hurt them severely in the long run.

  • CatoTheChipper||

    Pretty much all of the argumentation I ever hear from abortion advocates is utilitarian in nature. E.g., "But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby;" or "If we don't provide abortions, we'll have to pay more for welfare;" or "Three generations of imbeciles are enough."

  • Lee G||

    Not giving is taking

  • DEG||

    Environmentalists are moving on:

    But eating beef, as I'll explain, has come to be seen, rightly, in certain enviro circles, as the new SUV -- a hopelessly selfish, American indulgence; a middle finger to the planet. It's not the main driver of global warming -- that's burning fossil fuels for electricity, heat and transportation -- but it does contribute significantly.

  • WTF||

    Now I have another reason to grill some big, juicy, steaks.

  • Drake||

    mmmmm... Beef.

    I hope I incur that same guilt with pork, lamb, and poultry.

    Does this make wolves and lions the most selfish animals on Earth by eating all those buffalo?

  • Swiss Servator||

    I invite all "environmentalists" to live without electricity, heat and transportation provided by fossil fuels, as well as meat.

  • Granny Weatherwax||

    You should add plastics to the list.

  • Je suis Woodchipper||

    At least they're being consistent but I suspect Greenpeace, Sierra Club, and the other giant enviro groups will tamp down this new anti-meat movement.

  • gaoxiaen||

    Pigs everywhere disagree.

  • WTF||

    They're obviously on the payroll of Chik-Fil-A.

  • MJGreen - Docile Citizen||

    Environmentalists hate cattle, want to see their population severely reduced.

  • Rhywun||

    I can name two countries right off the bat that probably eat more beef per person than the US: England and Germany. Probably Australia too.

  • R C Dean||

    Argentina. Don't forget Argentina.

  • Number.6||

    Beef consumption in the UK took a massive hit with the multiple BSE outbreaks of the 80's.

    When you take into account the relative costs, it was certainly far less affordable than it is in the US too - doing some research online, sirloin looks to be about $9/lb on special at places like Asda, which probably means normal retail runs something like $10-11/lb at a local (small) store, while chicken breast runs about 1/3 of that price.

  • ||

    I am going to my brothers this weekend. We will be making about 100lbs of sausage.

    If a greenie shows up and starts bitching I am going to toss their ass into the grinder.

  • ||

    The whole point of environmentalism is to bitch. No matter what they get they will just want something else. Nothing will satisfy them because whining is the whole point of their movement.

  • Derpetologist||

    I read about an interesting experiment where volunteers were assigned to learn the made-up names of some alien fruit by sound only. They experimenters deliberately created confusing names; for example, the word for "red fruit" had nothing in common with the word for "blue fruit". At the end of the test, they asked the subjects to write down what they thought the names were. Those names then became what the next group of subjects had to learn. After a couple of iterations, the names became shorter and systematic. It was sort of like the Broken Telephone game in reverse.

    The conclusion was that people are pretty good at making sense of nonsense.

  • Sevo||

    Obo opens for Kanye! Warm 'em up, Prez!

    "The Obama-Kanye political-music revue coming to S.F.’s Warfield"
    [...]
    "West is billed as a performer for the Democratic donors. He and his wife, Kim Kardashian, became engaged in San Francisco during a lavish surprise party in 2013 at AT&T Park, complete with a 50-piece orchestra, roman candles, and an entire film crew from “Keeping Up With the Kardashians.”
    http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/.....535912.php

    Maybe Kim will treat us to some booty-shots!

  • Rhywun||

    *barf*

  • Sevo||

    Killer bees make it to No. CA! World survives!

    "‘Killer bees’ found in the Bay Area for the first time"
    http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/.....535892.php

    Not to worry; Paul Ehrlich will keep flogging this forever.

  • lap83||

    Don’t jump in a swimming pool or bodies of water to get away. They have been known to wait for people to surface.

    That's kind of creepy

  • Derpetologist||

    I need help with a script idea. All I have so far is a title: Ocean's 12 Monkeys

    It will involve time travel, an ocean liner, Bruce Willis, and a heist, but I'm not sure how to put it together.

  • Illocust||

    Stealing that necklace with the blue jewel from the girl on the titanic before it sinks.

  • Derpetologist||

    Ooh, that's good. Then, Bruce Willis returns to the future and uses the jewel to power a laser to fight Dr Zaius and the other super-intelligent apes.

  • Trump-o-Matic 5000||

    I must see this movie!!!!

  • Agammamon||

    TWIST - the ocean liner can't drop below 55 MPH or the iceberg explodes!!!11!!

  • Citizen X||

    But then it turns out he was dead THE WHOLE TIME.

  • Trump-o-Matic 5000||

    "Rosebud" was the name of the boat.

  • Derpetologist||

    Then a British general walks in and stops the film for being silly.

  • Citizen X||

    And is promptly bitten by a moose.

  • Derpetologist||

    The film ends with a rousing musical number by a troop of singing, dancing llamas.

  • Galactic Chipper Cdr Lytton||

    Bollywood style.

  • Number.6||

    Simples.

    Parallel universe RMS Titanic attacked by monstrous giant squid-like being in the Pacific Ocean, and dragged to the ocean floor (coincidentally plucking the alternate-universe Kate Winslet from the bow of the ship as the vessel descends). Archaeologist-Escapologist Bruce Willis leads intrepid mission to salvage bars of unobtanium (vital for construction of anti-zombie weapons pioneered by slave scientists working in a secret research factory) secreted in the wreck, but ... unexpectedly ... the hero finds that the ship is guarded by a hitherto unknown species of intelligent humanoid, cthonic dwellers.

    Plot twist - the dwellers are ZOMBIES, and hence, Willis has all the necessary components to build an undead-proof, unobtanium bathysphere to effect his (ridiculously unlikely) escape,

    I'm stuck on a working title. Maybe "The Vessel from Beyond...."

  • Number.6||

    I have an idea for the sequel too ...

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Consumer confidence up to 103.

    BUT 96 MILLION AMERICANS DON'T HAVE JERBS!

  • DEG||

    Hardest working global cities

    No American cities make the list. Here's the source and methodology:

    Source: UBS "Prices and earnings 2015" report.
    Average annual working hours were calculated by tallying the number of hours worked per day, and the number of days worked per week. Vacation and legal holiday time were deducted to reach the final figures.

  • ||

    ....aaannnnd SF'd.

    You have maple fever or something?

  • DEG||

    Shit no, I keep my consumption of maple products to a minimum.

  • Sevo||

    SF'd link

  • DEG||

    Shit.

    Try this link.

  • Rhywun||

    What is the point of this? To shame lazy Americans? To omit the fact that most Hong Kongers work menial jobs for long hours because they have to?

    Click bait

  • DEG||

    I thought it was interesting. I was reminded, while looking through the slideshow, of nationalist buffoons that spout off "Americans are the hardest working people in the world!" or some variation of that.

    As for why CNN/Money posted it, you should ask the folks there.

  • Rhywun||

    I just think there are too many variables to make any comparisons meaningful.

  • Irish ♥s ESB||

    Lena Dunham declares that calling her fat is "verbalized violence."

    'I think even if you think you can separate yourself from the kind of verbal violence that's being directed at you, that it creates some really kind of cancerous stuff inside you, even if you think, "Oh I can read like 10 mentions that say I should be stoned to death." That's verbal abuse. Those aren't words you'd accept in an interpersonal relationship. […] For me, personally, it was safer to stop.'

    Verbal.

    Violence.

  • Idle Hands||

    I guess the truth hurts.

  • Swiss Servator||

    Hey Lena... you are fat.

  • Derpetologist||

    Eh, with a little work and a sympathetic general, she could probably meet Army Rangers: Her Way standards.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    At least she was given the attention she desired.

  • GILMORE™||

    "....due to body-shaming comments after she posted underwear selfie"

    I am thinking her exit from the Twitterverse is probably a good thing.

  • gaoxiaen||

    Okay. You're just loathsome.

  • ||

    Lena.

    You're fat.

  • Rhywun||

    10 mentions that say I should be stoned to death

    From the shit-that-never-happened files. Or, just obvious trolling.

  • Derpetologist||

    Tales from the Derp

    Was listening to Crazy Socon radio the other day. It was open phones and some guy called in with a suggestion to bring peace to the Middle East. He said they should draft young men from the migrants, train them, arm them, and send them out as a foreign legion to fight on behalf of the US.
    He also wanted to make war on Assad, ISIS, and Iran all at once.

    Authentic Frontier Gibberish

  • ||

    Yeah, I'm sure they'd be vetted as well as the "moderate" Syrian rebels and kidnappers we armed so that now we see ISIS folks strutting about with American equipment.

    Sheesh.

  • Derpetologist||

    General Disarray said they would interview the recruits to make sure they wouldn't switch sides. See? He's clearly thought this through.

    Step 1: Spend more than anyone else on the military
    Step 2: Keep that military at home and pay foreigners to fight for you instead
    Step 3: ?
    Step 4: Peace in the Middle East

  • UnCivilServant||

    To make the equation work, Step 3 is probably "Nuclear Hellfire" resulting in a Roman Peace.

  • commodious spittoon||

    You know who else in Rome wants to dictate the lives of foreigners...?

  • Citizen X||

    Octavian Augustus?

  • lap83||

    I saw an argument like that in the coment section at townhall.com, I think it was. Usually I only go to read Thomas Sowell, and the comments are part of the reason.

  • Derpetologist||

    Whenever I try to explain libertarian ideas, I feel I end up sounding like this guy:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QV2DaY4hLUI

  • Derpetologist||

    Peer evaluations and more written tests coming soon to Army basic training

    I've already done a bunch of online classes for map reading, first aid, military courtesy, and a bunch of other stuff.

    Fun fact: the Army has its own version of Facebook called RallyPoint. I don't plan on making an account. I think instead of "friending" people you click the "salute" button or something.

  • Derpetologist||

    oopsy- practical not written tests

    Me reedz good....

  • Pan Zagloba||

    I think instead of "friending" people you click the "salute" button or something.

    Is this a secret edition of Spot the Not?

  • Notorious UGCC||

    "Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy will seek to succeed John Boehner as speaker of the House of Representatives."

    So...many...jokes.

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