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Students Are Literally 'Hiding from Scary Ideas,' Or Why My Mom's Nursery School Is Edgier Than College

Safe spaces are infantilizing and insulting.

ToddlerFlynt / DreamatimeMy mother is a nursery school teacher. Her classroom is a place for children between one and two years of age—adorable little tykes who are learning how to crawl, how to walk, and eventually, how to talk. Coloring materials, Play-Doh, playful tunes, bubbles, and nap time are a few of the components of her room: a veritable "safe space" for the kids entrusted to her expert care.

We'll come back to that in a minute.

Judith Shulevitz—formerly of The New Republic, where her eminently reasonable and fact-based perspective has been replaced by mean-spirited blathering—writes that college students now fear perspectives that clash with their own so deeply that they are quite literally hiding from them.

In a must-read op-ed for The New York Times, Shulevitz provides examples of the most egregious instances. At Brown University last fall, for instance, the prospect of a debate between leftist-feminist Jessica Valenti and libertarian-feminist (and Reason contributor) Wendy McElroy was so horrifying to some students—including Sexual Assault Task Force member Katherine Byron—that the creation of a "safe space" was necessary. McElroy's contrarian perspective on the existence of rape culture ran the risk of "invalidating people's experiences" and "damaging" them, according to Byron.

The safe space she created, as described by Shulevitz, sounds familiar to me:

The safe space, Ms. Byron explained, was intended to give people who might find comments “troubling” or “triggering,” a place to recuperate. The room was equipped with cookies, coloring books, bubbles, Play-Doh, calming music, pillows, blankets and a video of frolicking puppies, as well as students and staff members trained to deal with trauma. Emma Hall, a junior, rape survivor and “sexual assault peer educator” who helped set up the room and worked in it during the debate, estimates that a couple of dozen people used it. At one point she went to the lecture hall — it was packed — but after a while, she had to return to the safe space. “I was feeling bombarded by a lot of viewpoints that really go against my dearly and closely held beliefs,” Ms. Hall said.

It's my mother's classroom!

To say that the 18-year-olds at Brown who sought refuge from ideas that offended them are behaving like toddlers is actually to insult the toddlers—who don't attend daycare by choice, and who routinely demonstrate more intellectual courage than these students seem capable of. (Anyone who has ever observed a child tackling blocks for the first time, or taking a chance on the slide, knows what I mean.)

Lest anyone conclude that Brown must be a laughable outlier, read the rest of Shulevitz's essay:

A few weeks ago, Zineb El Rhazoui, a journalist at Charlie Hebdo, spoke at the University of Chicago, protected by the security guards she has traveled with since supporters of the Islamic State issued death threats against her. During the question-and-answer period, a Muslim student stood up to object to the newspaper’s apparent disrespect for Muslims and to express her dislike of the phrase “I am Charlie.” ...

A few days later, a guest editorialist in the student newspaper took Ms. El Rhazoui to task. She had failed to ensure “that others felt safe enough to express dissenting opinions.” Ms. El Rhazoui’s “relative position of power,” the writer continued, had granted her a “free pass to make condescending attacks on a member of the university.” In a letter to the editor, the president and the vice president of the University of Chicago French Club, which had sponsored the talk, shot back, saying, “El Rhazoui is an immigrant, a woman, Arab, a human-rights activist who has known exile, and a journalist living in very real fear of death. She was invited to speak precisely because her right to do so is, quite literally, under threat.”

You’d be hard-pressed to avoid the conclusion that the student and her defender had burrowed so deep inside their cocoons, were so overcome by their own fragility, that they couldn’t see that it was Ms. El Rhazoui who was in need of a safer space.

Caving to students' demands for trigger warnings and safe spaces is doing them no favors: it robs them of the intellectually-challenging, worldview-altering kind of experience they should be having at college. It also emboldens them to seek increasingly absurd and infantilizing restrictions on themselves and each other.

As their students mature, my mother and her co-workers encourage the children to forego high chairs and upgrade from diapers to "big kid" toilets. If only American college administrators and professors did the same with their students.

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  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    I dunno. I might go into the safe space to hang out if the cookies were good and the Play-Doh was brand new. Old Play-Doh sucks.

    What would I make with the Play-Doh? Yeah, you know what.

  • Swiss Servator... Switzy!||

    "Playa, please stop making Play-Doh Doomcocks"

    /Teacher

  • Quixote||

    As prosecutors in New York have recognized, it is above all our distinguished university professors who need safe zones where they can be protected from triggering speech—especially from any form of excessively deadpan parody or insidious satire that has the potential of damaging their lofty reputations. Glory to the Manhattan district attorney! See the documentation of America's leading criminal satire case at:

    http://raphaelgolbtrial.wordpress.com/

  • LynchPin1477||

    Apparently Play-Doh can go moldy. Who knew?

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    What you did there, I see it.

  • JW||

    Flesh-doh?

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    LynchPin got it. Erect penis mold.

  • JW||

    You make it sound like there's a difference.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    A lesser man would make the mold with a softie. That's not how I roll.

  • hamilton||

    I would think a Fun Factory would be pretty triggering for most of these people.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

  • hamilton||

    Precisely.

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  • Viscount Irish, Slayer of Huns||

    I think American high schools might actually be worse than American colleges though.

    After a black high-school boy repeatedly punched his teacher in the face, sending her to the emergency room, the teacher, who is white, was advised by the assistant principal not to press charges. The administrator lectured her about how hard it is for young black men to overcome a criminal record.
    Worse, she was told she should examine what role she, “as a white woman” holding unconscious racial biases, played in the attack, according to the Willamette (Oregon) Week.
  • See Double You||

    Holy shit, that is outright disgusting.

    Yeah, let's teach young black males that they are not responsible for their actions. Surely that will end violence.

  • Pathogen||

    What the fuck is "Agency" anyway?

  • See Double You||

    How in the world is that not a good example of victim blaming? Cognitive dissonance is the progressive's forte.

  • LynchPin1477||

    Well, the teacher was a woman, but she is also white, so her victimness is not as great as that of the student.

  • Viscount Irish, Slayer of Huns||

    Except progressives tend to get mildly confused on this point. In this case the white woman was the lesser victim and therefore shouldn't be allowed to complain about being severely beaten. However, in the case of the Jameis Winston rape charges, Jameis Winston should be hurled into prison even though his accuser's story is completely inconsistent, makes no sense, and Winston has been found not guilty by multiple inquiries, including by the police.

    It might be because Winston is part of 'jock culture' which is only surpassed by 'frat culture' on the list of things progs hate. Therefore, maybe his jock privilege when mingled with his male privilege makes him less of a victim than his female accuser.

    I don't know. The progressive stack confounds me.

  • LynchPin1477||

    Winston is famous and will soon be rich. Can't forget about that.

  • juris imprudent||

    Poor Jameis - having to bear the privilege of athletic talent. Had he just been a run of the mill thug, no problem!

  • wareagle||

    had he been a run of the mill thug, he 1) would probably not have been at FSU and 2) the coed would have had zero interest in him. Mostly #2.

  • ||

    Look at what you just said, and ponder the fact that it seems that the "progressive stack" is almost indistinguishable from an unpopular, nonathletic high school dork's "stack" of dislikes.

    I've noted before that progs are often acting basically like whiny douchey high school dorks. Except they never, ever grow out of it.

  • ||

    It's not a coincidence that our griefers accuse us of acting like a high school clique. It's always projection with these morons.

  • kinghiram91||

    There's no cognitive dissonance. That's what doublethink is all about. They have trained their minds to be protected from ever realizing they believe contradicting ideas.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    Worse, she was told she should examine what role she, “as a white woman” holding unconscious racial biases, played in the attack

    Take this quote in isolation. Now superimpose it over a story about rape and ask yourself if it gets printed.

    This is merely a punch in the face and not a violation of the Holy Vagina. Had it been so, one more weight would have been dropped on the teacher's side of the victim scales.

  • Eggs Benedict Cumberbund||

    I've met a Holy Vagina or two. Sista Snappa, I think was her name.

  • thom||

    What is this "pressing charges" business? I was assaulted in high school badly enough that the police got involved. Nobody ever asked me or my parents if we wanted to press charges. They took my statement, interviewed some other kids, and then went and arrested the kid who did it.

  • GroundTruth||

    Frik that... my shirt was intentionally lit on fire, and all that happened was that the bastard that did it was told to sit down.

    These kids need to get over themselves and grow up!

  • F. Stupidity, Jr.||

    When I went to a new school in 5th grade, this popular kid made fun of me relentlessly. After school one day, I body-checked him from behind into a parked car. Later that year he stabbed me in the stomach with a pencil. Detention was what each of us got for our transgressions. This was 30 years ago.

  • thom||

    Eh, this was 20 years ago and the police never asked me if I wanted them to do anything. Apparently when they find you lying on the floor bloody it's hard to brush it off.

  • toadboy65||

    apparently this is a thing in some places, including where I live. If two guys get into a fight, the first one to get to a "magistrate of the court" can press charges on the other for assault. Even if the person pressing charges initiated the confrontation.

  • ||

    Now imagine if any of the students at Brown hanging out in the toddler room when are education majors planning to teach in public schools. The only trigger warning they're going to get in the real world is if the student has the courtesy to say, "I'm gonna pull this trigger and blow your f***ing head off!" Where is that "safe room" going to be when a teenage boy 3 times their size calls them a white b**** and then smashes their skulls? Can they request to be taken to the ER at the pediatric hospital where bubbles and coloring books will give them a sense of calm and safety?

    Good lord, I hope all those prissy little girls at Brown are art history majors with big trust funds from their rich daddies. They will never survive otherwise.

    Thanks for the link. I added the article to my "Why I Homeschool" file.

  • LarryA||

    Where is that "safe room" going to be when a teenage boy 3 times their size calls them a white b**** and then smashes their skulls?

    A teenage boy, regardless of size or athletic ability, who doesn't have a gun, is "unarmed," and therefore there is no justification for defending yourself against him. This is double + true if he's Hispanic or gay, and triple + true if he's black.

  • JWatts||

    That article sounds like it could have been pulled right out of a Jerry Pournelle sci-fi story from the 1980's.

  • ||

    Reminds me of Amanda Kijera:

    Two weeks ago, on a Monday morning, I started to write what I thought was a very clever editorial about violence against women in Haiti. The case, I believed, was being overstated by women’s organizations in need of additional resources. Ever committed to preserving the dignity of Black men in a world which constantly stereotypes them as violent savages, I viewed this writing as yet one more opportunity to fight “the man” on behalf of my brothers. That night, before I could finish the piece, I was held on a rooftop in Haiti and raped repeatedly by one of the very men who I had spent the bulk of my life advocating for.

    It hurt. The experience was almost more than I could bear. I begged him to stop. Afraid he would kill me, I pleaded with him to honor my commitment to Haiti, to him as a brother in the mutual struggle for an end to our common oppression, but to no avail. He didn’t care that I was a Malcolm X scholar. He told me to shut up, and then slapped me in the face. Overpowered, I gave up fighting halfway through the night.

    ...

    While I take issue with my brother’s behavior, I’m grateful for the experience.

    Violently raped, attempted appeals to Marxist solidarity fell on deaf ears, blames the white patriarchy for her rape and feels gratitude towards her attacker.

  • F. Stupidity, Jr.||

    He didn’t care that I was a Malcolm X scholar.

    He didn't? Unpossible!

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    Looking her up brought me to some white-power sites. I hope my computer doesn't get cootie viruses.

  • ||

    Ran into the same problem myself. Her original Alternet post got nuked so that's why I had to use the archive.org link. The story clashed hard with various narratives so it seems there was virtually no mainstream coverage. Trying to think where I first heard of it myself and it might have been this PJMedia article.

  • lap83||

    "After spending millions on restorative justice and “courageous conversations about race” training, Portland public schools have seen their students only grow more violent."

    *dies from shock*

  • ||

    Check your DWM Privilege.

  • lap83||

    "The administrator lectured her about how hard it is for young black men to overcome a criminal record."

    Adminsplain

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    "Misbehaving kids are handed a “talking stick” and encouraged to emote about the issues underlying their anger."

    Using a stick for communication purposes has a long history in schools. For instance, traditional schools used sticks to communicate with students about the consequences of disruptive behavior.

  • ||

    My mom went to a Catholic school growing up, apparently nuns were allowed to smack your hands with wooden yardsticks? Sounds unpleasant.

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    I regret to say, this is all I know about pre-Vatican II teaching methods in Catholic schools:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmXOfXGaIsM

  • Christophe||

    Fucking schools.

    Some of them call the police on kids for not shutting up in class, and some of them will shield perpetrators of actual violent crime.

  • Swiss Servator... Switzy!||

    How on Earth will any of these fragile little flowers function in the real world? First time a boss tells them to redo something, they will end up catatonic.

  • Idaho Bob||

    ^This. A thousand times this^

  • JW||

    Labor lawyers approve.

    These mental waifs will be a goldmine of 'hostile working environment' lawsuits.

  • ||

    Very, very quickly employers will figure out how to spot these people. And then they won't get hired by anyone.

    Which is as it should be.

  • hamilton||

    The problem (for us employers) is that at at some point we have to hire these people. I swear, this generation is killing me with its expectations of special treatment and happy thoughts and no - absolutely no- connection to the Company's goals, profit motive, or their relative value in it.

    I am very very close to not hiring millenials at this point, and looking for older workers. Which, because Age Discrimination or something, should actually suit the millennial crowd.

  • ||

    But that's exactly what I said. This is self-correcting. They act like twats, so you quickly learn how to spot them and not hire them. They won't get the message, but they're not rewarded for their behavior at least.

  • Quincy, 12D||

    and looking for older workers.

    The best employees I’ve ever had are older people, with other sources of income, who are working to keep themselves active or entertained, not to pay the bills.

  • Dweebston||

    Some of us are more than willing to take the abuse.

  • Will Nonya||

    Your comment while trying to strike a "see I'm different" or "we're not all twats" tone still refers to working as abuse.

  • Dweebston||

    More of a 50 Shades vibe, friend.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    Well, so much for trying to network with you this week!

  • hamilton||

    I have no redheads on staff, to my sincere dismay.

  • Drake||

    We have pretty much stopped even interviewing Liberal Arts majors - which hurts because my undergrad degree was in History. But they show up for interviews with their heads stuffed full of shit.

    Business (or related degrees like Accounting or Finance) are okay. Hard science majors, math / statistics, and of course Engineers still seem okay most of the time - although at least half the candidates from that pool seem to be Asian.

  • rocks||

    "We have pretty much stopped even interviewing Liberal Arts majors"

    Your problem was ever interviewing them in the first place. It's been like this for at least 20 years. The only difference is people are outwardly showing this mentality, but it has always been there for quite some time.

  • Heedless||

    I'm relatively junior at my workplace, and when my boss has to sit me down to correct something I've done wrong he goes through so many circumlocutions and so much throat clearing about how I'm a valued member of the team and this isn't in any way punitive that I want to reach across the desk and shake him, yelling "Get to the fucking point already". I don't, because I like my job and would prefer to keep it (plus he's a hell of a nice guy and actually knows his business), but the special snowflake crap is just as excruciating to those of us at the bottom of the hierarchy who care about performance and mission as it is for those at the top.

  • trshmnster the terrible||

    Sometimes they do appreciate hearing a nicer version of "get to the fucking point." I'm in a similar position to you at my job, and I work under 3 or 4 different attorneys. It's interesting to see the different styles of correction. There needs to be a balance.

    If they just mark up my documents and tell me to fix it, I have no clue what I did correctly or how well I'm doing relative to where I should be. If they equivocate and dance around the bad parts, I have no clue what I did wrong. All I want is a "you did this well, you need to fix this, overall you're getting better at XYZ, watch to make sure that you're including ABC."

    You can have a conversation with your boss where you tell him that you respond better to direct criticism and praise of specific elements of your work product. You can explain that it allows you to note what you need to keep doing and what you need to quit doing.

  • Nosea||

    It really started with the previous generation, now it has escalated to absurdity. I know several people who hired the X'ers and had their parent call or email them about missing work, or to inquire why they have not had a raise or promotion. Honest-
    I couldn't make this crap up if I tried. One kid asked if he could get reimbursement
    for his transportation when he came in for an interview. Insane. Educated stupid.

  • pan fried wylie||

    Very, very quickly employers will figure out how to spot these people

    Well, they all have college degrees...

  • gaoxiaen||

    Catatonic would be an improvement. They wouldn't need the cookies and Play-Doh.

  • gaoxiaen||

    However, if I wanted to cut class to recover from a hangover, the pillows and blankets would be nice.

  • juris imprudent||

    Oh c'mon Swiss - isn't that reason enough to stay in the workforce, just to fuck with 'em?

  • ||

    Nah. The "safe room" in many workplaces today is the HR office, unfortunately. Unless the boss is the same race and gender as the employee, he (or she) will be told to back off. The employee will be allowed to do halfass work while the company suffers or the white, hetero (or at least cisgender) employees pick up all the slack.

  • Stormy Dragon||

    If something gets kicked back to be completely redone, that usually means:

    1.) Boss isn't sure what they actually want
    2.) Aren't under a deadline to produce

    So the correct response is to put it to the side and start working on something more important until you get more concrete direction on it.

  • Will Nonya||

    On the contrary when I ask someone to redo something it's usually because:
    1) they didn't do what they were asked to do to begin with.
    2) they did what was asked but just barely and managed to do a half assed or mediocre job at best.

    I know it's popular to blame the "idiot" boss, I know I blame mine, but more often its the idiot employee who screws up and can't accept any measure of responsibility.

  • ||

    “I was feeling bombarded by a lot of viewpoints that really go against my dearly and closely held beliefs,” Ms. Hall said.

    Sigh.

    And then there's this asshole.

    Law Feminist Manhattan 1 hour ago
    What is surprising is that rather than be shocked that so many sexual assault survivors have been traumatized, most of the comments take aim at the fact that young women who have been assaulted need a place to recover from a PTSD episode. I wonder if these are the same people who mock the soldiers who return home from battle having difficulty coping. Is it really so difficult to understand that it is terrifying for a young person to experience life-threatening physical violence? That so many people need a "safer space" should be cause for alarm about the state our of society, not the gunshot beginning another race to the bottom to see who can mock the rape victim more smugly. "Infantile," indeed.

    Oh, and remember, don't feed the troll when he shows up.

  • See Double You||

    That so many people need a "safer space" should be cause for alarm about the state our of society

    I agree with her. But not in the way she thinks.

  • LynchPin1477||

    It's pretty remarkable to see someone so proudly and publicly run back to the echo chamber.

  • Viscount Irish, Slayer of Huns||

    I wonder if these are the same people who mock the soldiers who return home from battle having difficulty coping. Is it really so difficult to understand that it is terrifying for a young person to experience life-threatening physical violence?

    A soldier who recently came back from a war zone is just like a Muslim student whining about the use of the phrase 'Je suis Charlie' or a woman getting catcalled in New York.

    There is no difference.

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    "10 Hours of Beautiful Woman walking around ISIS-occupied Mosul Without a Head-Covering...

    "Oops, I means 10 *minutes.*"

  • trshmnster the terrible||

    It's a 10 hour recording... civilized audiences can only make it through the first 10 minutes without puking.

  • JW||

    Creating a generation of milquetoast mewling kittens dovetails nicely with a desire for complete dependence on the state for support and subsequent demands that it increase the punitive violence on others to ensure their well being.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    I was thinking of a perfect comeback to this nonsense, but a helpful redditor did it for me.

    PatriArchangelle 443 points 9 hours ago

    First wave feminism: We deserve the right to vote.

    Second wave feminism: We deserve the right enter the workforce.

    Third wave feminism: We deserve the right to not hear anyone disagree with us and forever remain children.
  • JW||

    "I am woman, hear me whimper in constant, cringing chicken-shittedness."

    Sounds like these broads want to go back to the bad old days. "Don't you worry your little head about it darlin', the men will take care of it."

  • ||

    Winner.

  • See Double You||

    More evidence that going to college these days is about remaining an immature, petulant child, rather than growing up.

  • Homple||

    From Twittermeister Iowahawk,

    “Go to college” is to education what “put stuff in your mouth” is to nutrition.
  • ||

    The longer they stay in college, the more money they borrow and feed into the school. There's a built-in incentive for schools to keep kids in the program and not graduating for as long as possible. Remember, it's incentives that make things happen.

  • Jerryskids||

    I remember how traumatized I was in college to have those mean ol' professors question my deeply-held, cherished belief that I knew everything there was to know already. Those bastards wouldn't dare try that shit now, implying with their "teaching" that I was wrong to think I knew everything, 'cause they'd get sued so fast it'd make their heads spin.

  • SimonD||

    It's an Ivy League school. There are people crawling over each other trying to get into the school. If a person is so traumatized that they can't handle a public verbal discussion happening in the same room, they have no business in college.

    Take the time to deal with the issues. You aren't doing yourself any good by just hiding, plus you are stealing a spot from someone who is prepared to take advantage of it.

  • LynchPin1477||

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Agreed.

  • MJGreen||

    ...Why the cantina theme?

    I love it, but why?

  • LynchPin1477||

    I wonder if progressives realize how much damage they are doing to themselves in the long term. Rigorous progressive intellectualism (assuming that is a thing to begin with) is going to completely die because no one will be able to critically analyze theirs and others beliefs.

    Of course, if you are the conspiratorial type, that could be the point: to create a class so helplessly dependent on a small number of elites to tell them how to feel and think about everything.

    Either way, it's stunning to see intellectual discourse so openly attacked and undermined. Yet another Ayn Rand dystopian vision come to life. It's almost like some people have seen this sort of thing happen before...

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Based on what you just said, I guess I'm the conspiratorial type, only I thought it was obvious. It's about creating and fostering dependency.

  • JW||

    Pakledworld, here we come!

  • ||

    I guess the question then is, is it deliberate, or is it just the way things are working out because of the incentives and desires involved. I find active conspiracies to be...offputting...because I just don't believe people are competent enough--especially the kind of people who would want to create these conspiracies--to pull shit like this off long term. It's more like a bunch of independent things are working together to create the situation.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

  • ||

    I guess the question then is, is it deliberate, or is it just the way things are working out because of the incentives and desires involved.

    99.9% the latter.

  • Eggs Benedict Cumberbund||

    Its spontaneous order. The stupid tends to cluster.

  • Dweebston||

    I guess I'm not yet willing to cross that bridge. They're not fostering dependency so much as lashing back against the mentality of independence, which they consider passé, outmoded, or simply the province of social conservatism.

  • SusanM||

    Rand considered any disagreement with her as the most profane apostasy - so, I guess you're right, in a way.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    That is true, but Ayn Rand didn't run to the safe space bubble when the profane apostasy presented itself. Old Ayn, as much of an egomaniac as she was, didn't go catatonic at the prospect of a little rhetorical sparring.

  • SusanM||

    She did amongst her little collective (her word for her inner circle). The point I was going for is that she felt that her ideas were the absolute truth and that no further debate or discussion was allowed, especially in contrast to libertarianism's near-nihilistic skepticism.

  • Viscount Irish, Slayer of Huns||

    This is why I can't stand Ayn Rand. The fact that Rand seriously believed her taste in music could be objectively proven to be superior to everyone else's is pretty much proof that she was an utter crank who happened to be right on some issues.

  • LynchPin1477||

    She knew what she was talking about when it came to cats, though.

  • lap83||

    Sounds like she was ahead of her time. I'm surprised she isn't more popular with hipsters.

  • John Titor||

    And this is why it's no surprise that her resident cultist here thinks his taste in movies is objectively better than other people's here. There's some broken ass people who are attracted to Objectivism for its certainly (that being said I used to be friends with Stuart Hayashi on facebook and he's a cool guy, in his weird introvert way).

  • ||

    Yeah. In college I went through the "Ayn Rand made me a libertarian" thing. I devoured everything by her I could find. Then there was an essay about Objectiveism and art. Her take on folk music turned me off it for good, but then she said she couldn't stand Beethoven! And went on about how bad (by which she meant wrong and even evil) he was. That's it Lady! You've got a serious flaw in your philosophy here!
    Here characterization of Progs is still spot on.

  • John Galt||

    The fact that she "happened to be right on some issues" made her superior to the average cull who is never, ever right on any issue?

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    She picked up some good ideas, added some weird ones, and served up the resulting melange to the public.

    I suppose the main philosophical quarrel nowadays is between the people who disagree with the stuff that was *wrong* with her ideas, versus the people who disagree with the stuff that was *right* about her ideas.

  • Libertarius||

    Skepticism is played-out anyway.

  • Dweebston||

    When the movement became less about documenting and curating the bizarre obsessions of other people and more about stoking the vanities of its followers and advancing the pet causes of its leaders, it started fragmenting and falling apart. I suppose it's inevitable of any new movement, but the divisiveness got pathetic.

  • LynchPin1477||

    I was thinking more of the characters that intentionally trying to destroy intellectualism. Newspeak is another good example if you prefer Orwell.

  • SusanM||

    Okay, I can see that - although I always took that as Rand completely misunderstanding Quantum physics. I think that "Brave New World" - with it's desire to remove all unpleasantness - would be a better comparison still.

  • JW||

    OTOH, these intellectual infants will be easy to dominate in any kind of real conflict.

    [makes gun hand]

    "We surrender!"

  • sarcasmic||

    I wonder if progressives realize how much damage they are doing to themselves in the long term.

    Nope. All they understand is feelings and intentions. Reasoning and results are not even worthy of consideration.

  • PapayaSF||

    Of course, if you are the conspiratorial type, that could be the point: to create a class so helplessly dependent on a small number of elites to tell them how to feel and think about everything.

    Not exactly. It's a political power struggle, in which the SJWs create an ideology that gives them the ultimate trump cards in all matters. Creating a dependent class happens, but that's not the goal. The goal is power for themselves, and the warm glow of self-righteousness.

  • ||

    I will feel better thinking that all of this is just a parody.

  • kilroy||

    "invalidating people's experiences"

    WTF?

  • See Double You||

    Some people's experiences perceptions are more important than logic.

  • GILMORE||

    Its code-language for "moral/ethical relativism"

    "People's Experiences" are what define a person's views (in the progressive world at least)

    i.e. there is no such thing as any objective reality to be appealed to by reason. reality is a construct

    "invalidating people's experiences" means imposing a cruel, colonialist, oppressive reality onto their criticism-free environment. It means you've wrongly 'passed judgement' rather than absorbed their alternative view into your own and given it equal consideration.

    when someone therefore refers to your words as "hurtful or oppressive", your personal stated intent or the objective content of the words do not matter in the slightest

    when you start to understand their rhetorical horseshit, the question that immediately arises is how it is that the SJW types seem so prescient that they always know what is "hurtful" to minority groups without *ever even asking them*? (i.e. presuming to speak on behalf of other-people's 'victimhood') Apparently that is an exception they make for White Colonialism: as long as its self-flagellation on behalf of some theoretically oppressed people, its OK.

  • SusanM||

    "People's Experiences" are what define a person's views (in the progressive world at least)

    Just a thought:

    The Buddha twice uses the simile of blind men led astray. A king has the blind men of the capital brought to the palace, where an elephant is brought in and they are asked to describe it.

    When the blind men had each felt a part of the elephant, the king went to each of them and said to each: 'Well, blind man, have you seen the elephant? Tell me, what sort of thing is an elephant?'

    The men assert the elephant is either like a pot (the blind man who felt the elephants' head), a winnowing basket (ear), a plowshare (tusk), a plow (trunk), a granary (body), a pillar (foot), a mortar (back), a pestle (tail) or a brush (tip of the tail).

  • kilroy||

    The blind men perceiving the elephant as something else didn't change the elephant. If they had been blindfolded and had the blindfold removed they would have realized their perceptions were wrong.

    These people want that us to agree that an elephant is a collection of other things and not, in fact, an elephant rather than remove their blindfold.

  • GILMORE||

    what kilroy said

    The leftist/relativist interpretation of the 'blind men and the elephant' parable is that THERE IS NO ELEPHANT and that our individual perceptions are all 'equally valid' and are above criticism

    As opposed to the realist/rationalist epistemological approach - which is that "each person's knowledge is by definition incomplete" (rather than unquestionable and perfect in and of itself) and that it is only through reason that we acquire understanding of the "actual" objective world.

    The context of that statement about 'invalidating experiences' was that students were arguing that they shouldn't have to confront facts which contradict their beliefs

    The fact that anyone could hold this view and call themselves "students" is pretty mind blowing no matter what you think about chinese elephants.

  • GILMORE||

    Also = a pet peeve of mine...

    you ever notice how often people start sentences with

    "As a _________, I believe ________"
    ?

    This is basically a byproduct of this bullshit lefty idea that if we project our 'beliefs and opinions' through some kind of 'identity lens', that it makes them somehow 'beyond criticism'. Its just a rhetorical method of connecting an "idea" to your "identity" and giving it more force or merit.

    Sure, that same formula can be applied to many things in a perfectly reasonable way = most often to specify areas where *you are unable to provide an opinion* or where the limitations of your experience apply

    (e.g. ""as a New Yorker, i have little insight into the politics of rural Iowa; however, I can assume Corn is probably somehow involved")

    instead, its typically used as an appeal-to-authority and to deflect any potential criticism. To raise you opinion 'beyond criticism'. Or to the contrary = to devalue and write off what other people say, because of their "identity privilege".....

  • DEG||

    you ever notice how often people start sentences with

    "As a _________, I believe ________"
    ?

    Yes, I notice it and hate it.

  • BuSab Agent||

    As a libertarian, I believe monocles are cool.

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    The way I've heard the story is that "each of us grasps a piece of the truth, but in our arrogance we think the part we've grasped is the *whole* truth."

    A useful insight, except when used as a cudgel by people who *really* mean that *they* have the truth and everyone else is just a blind elephant-fondler.

  • trshmnster the terrible||

    that our individual perceptions are all 'equally valid' and are above criticism

    A.K.A. oversimplified moral relativism. I think HM called it post-positivist constructionism.

    It's a simple "philosophy"
    1) A person's observations of reality are incomplete ---- a well accepted fact
    2) each person has different experiences that influence how they fill in the gaps --- another well accepted fact
    3) due to 1) and 2), each person's conclusions are unable to be evaluated from an outside moral perspective, and it is wrong to question their conclusions ---- raving, internally inconsistent lunacy

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    The progressive is the guy who says that an elephant is a warm moist hole filled with delicious food.

  • Heedless||

    They may all be confused about what it is, but the blind man who has a grip on its balls still gets to steer.

  • Azathoth!!||

    I have always had a problem with this.

    Are these blind men foreigners? People without any experience of the elephants used as pack animals?

    Are these blind men incapable of noticing that the ear is attached to the head, which is attached to the trunk, the tusk, and all the rest of the elephants body?

    Is this not, in fact, a completely stupid story?

  • Christophe||

    Blind people who walk up to random elephants and start feeling them up don't usually get to do it more than once.

  • Murray Got hard||

    yup

  • Col. R C Dean||

    An experience is a fact. How do you invalidate a fact?

    These people speak gibberish. Constantly. Unfortunately, they are rarely to never called on it. If they were, their movement would disintegrate.

    What's being invalidated isn't your experience. Its your narrative, which you have been taught to impose on your experience.

  • SusanM||

    OT: Special Blue Snowflakes

    http://theantimedia.org/florid.....h-threats/

    A Florida police officer, 267-pound Trooper Daniel Cole, may have been cleared of any wrongdoing by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, but he is not off the hook with angry citizens.
    copfltasergirlcoma
    Trooper Cole made headlines when he tasered a 20 year old handcuffed girl in the back as she fled. The tasering incident was caught on video showing officer Cole firing the taser at the handcuffed Danielle Maudsley, who was a mere 100 pounds.

    Trooper Cole outweighed the girl by at two and a half times. It was clear that she posed no threat to the trooper, but he couldn’t be bothered to run after her, so he tasered her and she fell on her head.

    Once tasered, she was unable to catch herself, as her muscles seized up. She suffered severe brain damage as a result.

    But since that encounter in September of 2013, at the FHP Pinellas Park Substation, Cole has been receiving death threats on a website.
  • Paul.||

    Trooper Cole outweighed the girl by at two and a half times. It was clear that she posed no threat to the trooper, but he couldn’t be bothered to run after her

    Uhm, hello? 267 pounds? It's not that he couldn't be bothered to run after her, it's that he couldn't run after her.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    Ms. Maudsley clearly disrespected AUTHORITAH by putting Officer Lard-Ass in the position of possibly having to engage in the strenuous cardiovascular activity of physically securing a suspect. Apparently, this isn't Cole's first time with excessive force, having shot a guy who answered the door with a gun. Cole had his own AR-15 (*makes the sign to ward against evil*) drawn and had not, according to Clifford Works, not announced himself as police.

  • ||

    Pfft. Florida.

    Why was the special little snowflake in cuffs running away in the first place?

  • Paul.||

    She didn't realize it was a death sentence. Besides, your question misses the larger point: Cole made it home safely at the end of his shift, did he not?

  • Col. R C Dean||

    Sounds like he didn't even have to break a sweat. A real hero, that one.

  • Col. R C Dean||

    ProTip:

    If you think someone needs killing, keep your yap shut and your powder dry. Wait for your chance.

    Then kill them.

    Geez. This ain't rocket surgery.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Why was the special little snowflake in cuffs running away in the first place?

    The cocaine and oxycodone following through her bloodstream made it seem like a good idea at the time?

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    I still think it was a good idea.

  • PapayaSF||

    What makes anyone think that if he had chased after her and tackled her, that everything would have worked out fine? She still could have hit her head. She might have broken more than her head, being tackled by someone so much larger.

    Sorry, but to me she's another Darwin Award winner, stupidly running away from a cop while in handcuffs. To me this is another of those "police abuse" stories that largely or entirely evaporates when you look at the facts. Police are armed and dangerous. If you do moronic and risky things with them, you can get injured or killed. Duh.

  • trshmnster the terrible||

    I agree. There are tons of better stories to get the point across than a freak accident caused by the (celebrated) non-lethal alternative to shooting her ass.

    If anything, I would think that the 250+lb cop, with his utility belt of sharp things, would generally do more damage by landing on her ass than by shooting her with the tazer.

  • SusanM||

    How about this:

    http://truthvoice.com/2015/03/.....n-in-jail/

    Reid, 36, of Bridgeton, was shot and killed during a motor vehicle stop by city patrolmen Braheme Days and Roger Worley on the night of Dec. 30. The county prosecutor’s office is investigating the use of deadly force in the shooting, which was captured on a police dashboard camera.

    Reid’s wife, Lawanda Hartsfield-Reid, recently filed a wrongful death and civil rightslawsuit in connection with his death seeking more than $1 million.

    The lawsuit Reid filed January 2011 in U.S. District Court in Camden alleges that on Oct. 15, 2009, officers Bermudez and Zamot, “without any justification or provocation,” repeatedly punched, kicked and pepper sprayed his face and then poured a cold bucket of water on him while he was curled up on the ground in his cell in the county jail in Bridgeton.
  • PapayaSF||

    So Reid is arrested for resisting arrest and obstruction of justice in Sept. 2009. It's impossible to tell if that was justified or not.

    He claims he was assaulted "without provocation" while still in jail in Oct. 2009. The details given (in his lawsuit) do sound bad, but we're only hearing one side of the story.

    And then he's a passenger in a car in Dec. 2014, which gets stopped for one of those b.s. "didn't come to a complete stop" things. I watched the video, and the cop on the right says he saw a gun in the glovebox, and is literally screaming at the guy to show his hands and not move. Repeatedly. The driver complies, this guy does not. I can't see Reid's hands, but he gets out of the car, while being told to not move by a screaming cop who is pointing a gun at him and threatening to shoot, and he gets shot.

    Sorry, but Reid seems like another Darwin Award winner.

  • JW||

    Oh, thank god you got here, Papaya.

    I knew those cops' dicks weren't going to suck themselves.

  • PapayaSF||

    Don't be an asshole. I just call 'em as I see 'em. Not being reflexively anti-police is not the same thing as being pro-police.

    As I've said many times before (perhaps you've missed them, or just ignored them), I have no problem condemning real police abuse, like idiotic no-knock raids and pointless puppycide. But it's impossible for anyone fair-minded to ignore the fact that acting like an idiot, especially like a violent idiot, vastly increases your odds of having a bad encounter with police. Both of the people above acted like idiots.

    You think the police are dangerous and out of control? Fine. Then act like that, when you're around them. It's just common sense.

    Let me ask you this: did you buy all the "Hands up, don't shoot" bullshit in the Mike Brown case? I didn't. And now even the DoJ says it was a good shoot.

  • JW||

    Don't be an asshole. I just call 'em as I see 'em.

    You might want to put the glasses on. You don't see so guud.

    I saw that video when it came out. Officer Lardass couldn't be bothered to chase a little girl more than 10 feet, so he tased her and put her into a coma. Considering that she was handcuffed and under the influence of something, that was a completely foreseeable outcome by this highly trained, dimwitted and corpulent marshmallow.

    At no point should anyone's actions, short of pointing a real gun at a cop, result in a virtual death sentence. Period. Full fucking stop.

    But, don't let those facts not swing past you on the way to taking a face shot from Officer Friendly.

    As I've said many times before (perhaps you've missed them, or just ignored them), I have no problem condemning real police abuse

    Go ahead, pull the other one.

  • trshmnster the terrible||

    Officer Lardass couldn't be bothered to chase a little girl more than 10 feet, so he tased her and put her into a coma.

    You really think that Officer Lardass, who outweighed her by over 150 lbs, would have a better outcome by tackling her? I think 99 times out of 100, Officer Lardass does more damage by landing on top of her than by tazing her.

    Tazing was the right choice, but ended in a freak accident.

  • JW||

    Chase her. Grab her. Subdue her without killing her. I'm sure that's in the cop instruction manual somewhere.

    Whew! I'm exhausted just thinking about that.

    And tazing a high, handcuffed person into a coma is as much a freak accident as knocking up your 16 year old gf without wearing a rubber.

  • JW||

    And I'll add that tasers were designed and implemented to be used in place of lethal action. Not be the default setting for some fat fuck too fucking lazy to do his fucking job.

    I'll presume that, unlike Papaya, you don't think the cop should just shoot her.

  • trshmnster the terrible||

    No, if the cop shot her, that's straight up murder.

    I'm not opposed to saying that even tazing her would be excessive force, but that depends on the specific circumstances. I still think that I would prefer a cop go to the tazer than tackling me and bashing my head into the ground. I'm pretty sure I've heard stories where it was the other way around (the cops tackled the runner rather than tazing them) and did serious brain damage as well.

    Here's one and here's another based on a quick google search.

    I'd like to see a study that compares the injury rates of being tazed and apprehended v. being tackled and apprehended.

  • JW||

    "Don't shoot me, bro."

    It almost rolls off the tongue.

  • trshmnster the terrible||

    I have no problem condemning real police abuse, like idiotic no-knock raids and pointless puppycide. But it's impossible for anyone fair-minded to ignore the fact that acting like an idiot, especially like a violent idiot, vastly increases your odds of having a bad encounter with police.

    This^^^

    The fervent anti-cop folks do themselves a disservice to get wrapped up in the narrative every time somebody gets hurt or killed by a cop. The real abuses are delegitimatized when they are buried in a glut of "asshole starts something, cop finishes it" stories.

  • JW||

    "asshole starts something, cop finishes it"

    How is this not abuse of power?

    If you can't take some harsh language without getting huffy and murderous, or even be confronted by someone who isn't perfectly calm, maybe you shouldn't be a cop. Or a school bus driver. Or a mailman.

  • trshmnster the terrible||

    It all depends on the context. Fumbling around the glove box and getting out of the car when you're told to stop moving... pretty fucking stupid, and it's just asking to get shot. Telling the pig to eat a bag of dicks... still asshole behavior, but certainly not warranting of a physical response.

  • JW||

    it's just asking to get shot.

    No, no it's not. It's asking for the cop to take stronger action without shooting you, since, you know, you've presented no actual deadly threat. Repeat commands, take out a knee with a nightstick, call for backup. There's a hundred options that don't end in BANG.

    But by today's absurdly lax standards of cop restraint, which is almost non-existent, it is asking for it. Apes don't have much in the way of restraint.

  • PapayaSF||

    Apes don't have much in the way of restraint.

    And here's the central contradiction in your position, JW. To you cops are "apes" lacking "restraint," and yet when trshmnster and I say "don't be stupid with them, because something bad might happen," we're somehow in favor of cops murdering people. We're not.

    When I advise locking your car, I'm not supporting or even defending car theft. I'm promoting a common sense view that (if universally adopted) would help reduce a bad thing we all deplore.

    Part of your approach is to demand better training for apes. Well, that might work, and I'm not opposing it, just saying that there are also other factors involved.

    The other part of your approach, to call people names, is unlikely to solve anything.

  • JW||

    "don't be stupid with them, because something bad might happen," we're somehow in favor of cops murdering people. We're not.

    Right. I've completely misinterpreted your hoots of joy that the Boys in Blue bagged another one that failed to follow orders.

    Peddle your anti-authoritarianism delusions elsewhere.

  • trshmnster the terrible||

    Right. I've completely misinterpreted your hoots of joy that the Boys in Blue bagged another one that failed to follow orders.

    This is just the same SJW "you're blaming the victim" bullshit. I can simultaneously hold the views that 1) the victim was a fucking moron for not listening to the cops' commands; and 2) the fact he got shot says something about the lack of restraint of the cops.

    Just because i think 1) was more prominent than 2) doesn't mean that I somehow disagree with 2). But right, we're just more purvayors of rape culture white privilege cishetero privilege cop fellatio.

  • JW||

    This is just the same SJW "you're blaming the victim" bullshit.

    Nope. I'm blaming the speaker for what he says. Full stop.

    I can simultaneously hold the views that 1) the victim was a fucking moron for not listening to the cops' commands; and 2) the fact he got shot says something about the lack of restraint of the cops.

    1) Like the deaf whittler in Seattle? Or Tamir Rice in Cleveland? Or John Crawford in Wal Mart? Those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head. You're awfully quick to believe the cops are telling the truth about their commands and/or legitimacy of their actions. How many times do they have to get caught on tape yelling "stop resisting!" to someone not resisting and who they're beating to death or screaming "gun!" when there is none?

    2) How does this not contradict with 1? How do you reconcile case after case of police repeatedly lying about their violent or lethal actions and still get a a hard on for what you consider to be justice? How is shooting someone who isn't a threat, just?

    I don't fucking get you law and order fetishists and your penchant for cheering on state violence. I really don't.

  • JW||

    And here's the central contradiction in your position, JW.

    There's no contradiction.

    You're hot to excuse any abuse of police power because you have some weird fetish of of what you perceive as scumbags getting what's coming to them. There's a element of excitement, every time you post something about a "good shoot."

    The problem is that you don't have to do *anything* wrong to get shot by cops. You can follow every order they give and if they manage to conjure up the image of a non-existent weapon in your hand, or you twitch in the slightest, or they just shit their pants and panic as they usually do in darkened hallways, you still get shot.

    So, no, being stupid with cops isn't a prerequisite. All you have to do is be in the wrong place at the wrong time with the panicky baboons, which is most of the time.

    The other part of your approach, to call people names, is unlikely to solve anything.

    Stop being such a bloodthirsty cunt. That might help.

  • trshmnster the terrible||

    So, no, being stupid with cops isn't a prerequisite. All you have to do is be in the wrong place at the wrong time with the panicky baboons, which is most of the time.

    Yep, and in those cases, the cops are baboons who don't get punished for the crimes that they commit. However, the tazer incident isn't that. I think the cop did the right thing by tazering the girl. Mr. rummage through the glove box appears to be a mix of victim stupidity and panicky cops.

  • JW||

    However, the tazer incident isn't that. I think the cop did the right thing by tazering the girl.

    I don't see how anyone with even the slightest libertarian bent can look at that and think it was the right thing to do, unless you have some built-in twisted bigotry of some kind.

    May you never have to bury your child as a victim of the police state carrying out the drug war, which is what this was.

    And with that, I'm done.

  • Heedless||

    I have trouble getting too outraged about the tazing - if we accept that he was going to subdue her using some sort of force, then a taser is probably less dangerous than a tackle or a nightstick.

    On the other hand, 267 lbs! Don't they have fucking fitness standards on that police force? I doubt he could waddle 1/4 mile without stopping for a snack. Fire his amply padded ass.

  • GamerFromJump||

    Is it okay to object to the phrase "20-year-old girl"?

  • Paul.||

    The safe space, Ms. Byron explained, was intended to give people who might find comments “troubling” or “triggering,” a place to recuperate.

    So we have functioning, literate adults that talk like this-- that string these words together in a sentence, and still claim... or claim to feel like grownups.

    There are people in this world, people still living who survived death camps. You might even be in the presence of one at Albertsons or Starbucks, and you won't even know it.

    And not a fucking one of these people who survived said camps talks this way. None.

    Not one. Zero.

    Get the fuck out of here with the "recuperating".

  • SusanM||

    Slightly OT: Cracked Readers Agree With Reason: "If Colleges Were Forced to Be Honest"

    http://www.cracked.com/photopl.....re-honest/

  • Paul.||

    The ECPI ad is the one that will probably actually teach the kids something useful.

  • lap83||

    The anthropology major prerequisite to barista culture isn't fair. I know one who went on to become a restaurant manager!

  • kilroy||

    I'm just gonna leave this here.

  • Paul.||

    I think I get it. It's about the war on high heels.

  • F. Stupidity, Jr.||

    Two white men in black suits happily cross a finish line, while a woman in a pantsuit falls behind and a black man in a shirt and tie stumbles in last place.

    Everyone knows white guys are the fastest sprinters.

  • F. Stupidity, Jr.||

    Seriously, what would have happened if they had put the black guy in first place? Would someone have bitched that "Oh, look, black guys are just fast runners to you!"? Or would the bitch be that "Why can't the woman win?"? How about "Why must there be winners and losers? We're here to get an EDUCATION!"

    There is no combination of human beings they could have put on that cover that wouldn't have resulted in bitching by the usual suspects.

  • ||

    But that's exactly the point. They don't care about anything real. They care about the power complaining gives them. That's why they can always find something to bitch about. Because it's about the bitching and the browbeating and the bullying. So they have invented a "system" that allows them to ALWAYS be able to find a way that you're being [insert racist, privilege, sexuality, etc here] and therefore you need to shut up and do what they say, which is usually apologize and submit like a good little monkey.

    It's an incredibly passive aggressive, cowardly, pussy method for getting people to submit to you. That's why their whining needs to be ignored.

  • PapayaSF||

    That would have been racist, promoting the racial stereotype that blacks are fast runners.

  • wareagle||

    To say that the 18-year-olds at Brown who sought refuge from ideas that offended them is the understand the point of Brown and the other Ivies.

    FIFY

  • wareagle||

    dammit..."...is TO understand..."

    that's why I was in a public university.

  • Heedless||

    I'll step in and defend Harvard at least - when I was an undergrad, the crew team got drunk and decided to make a giant snow penis in the center of campus. The next day, an outraged feminist came along and tore it down. There was a huge naval gazing debate about the whole affair, but it centered on whether she should get in trouble for trampling on their right to free expression. (The team was a bit confused, as they had not really been thinking about art while putting the thing together.). At no point was the idea that the University should protect her sensibilities ever seriously considered.

    We may be self-involved, arrogant meddlers, but we take that whole free exchange of ideas concept pretty seriously.

  • checkdempremises||

    When were you an undergrad? This sensitivity fetish has been hit with a spice weasel in the last few years and got kicked up a notch.

  • Rich||

    after a while, she had to return to the safe space. “I was feeling bombarded by a lot of viewpoints that really go against my dearly and closely held beliefs,” Ms. Hall said.

    So, Ms. Hall, how'd you like "Fifty Shades"?

  • Trigger Warning||

    Did anybody actually like that, though?

  • sarcasmic||

    My wife liked the books, and I certainly liked the mood they put her in...

  • Paul.||

    The mood for all the stuff surrounding sex, but not actual, you know, sex? Sort of like Groundhog Day, but instead it's Valentine's Day?

  • sarcasmic||

    *shakes head*

  • ||

    meet the new vapors. same as the old vapors.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

  • PapayaSF||

    I love the outrage at some bright, talented, successful gay guys who don't believe what they are supposed to believe about gay marriage, etc. It's unpossible!

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    Well, I don't think they're free-speech martyrs just because Elton John doesn't want people to buy their stuff. Consumers base their choices on all sorts of factors, not all of them well thought-out, and it's not what I'd call a civil liberties violation.

    But on the merits, there are *already* so many "unwanted" children who could benefit from adoption by childless people, it's not as if there's any *need* to go all Dr. Frankenstein and create new children in the lab.

  • Viscount Irish, Slayer of Huns||

    The link Playa posted above includes a link to this article.

    It's Charles Pierce going after Bill Kristol. Is there anyway they can both lose?

    Searching for new ways to call the president a coward -- And we'll get to the obvious joke in a minute -- he fastens on the two-fisted youth of Benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister of Israel who has been invited by John Boehner to come over here and heckle the president as part of Netanyahu's campaign to compromise the president's foreign policy intiatives regarding Iran. The sneer behind the words is what you see on the face of a jackal that has found an apex predator to hide behind.

    Really, it's a masterful piece in that it's so poorly written that even I, a person pre-disposed to despise Bill Kristol, could not bring myself to give a shit about Charles Pierce's whining.

  • GILMORE||

    This is because you are part of the racist socon something brigade

  • Viscount Irish, Slayer of Huns||

    The sneer behind the words is what you see on the face of a jackal that has found an apex predator to hide behind.

    This reads like a Zen koan if the monk transcribing it suffered a full frontal lobotomy.

  • Trigger Warning||

    Urge to kill rising.

  • PapayaSF||

    I'm confused. Who's supposed to be the "apex predator" in that analogy? The U.S.? Netanyahu? Boehner?

  • Viscount Irish, Slayer of Huns||

    I suspect Netanyahu. He's saying Kristol is 'hiding behind' Netanyahu.

    Incidentally, I think it's funny that Pierce threw a hissy fit about Kristol calling Obama a coward when the Obama Administration has people calling Netanyahu 'chickenshit.' Where was Pierce's righteous anger when some hack bureaucrat was calling a long-time soldier a coward?

    It really is amazing. Kristol is an utter scumbag (and is partially responsible for foisting that idiot Tom Cotton on us), but whenever I read one of Pierce's articles attacking Kristol, Kristol actually comes off better than Pierce does. Charles Pierce is one of those special human beings who is so incompetent that when he insults someone he actually raises my opinion of them.

  • Lord at War||

    Remember Irish-

    Pierce once wrote that if Mary Jo Kopechne had lived, she would be proud of what Ted Kennedy accomplished.

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    This might be true, in the sense that Kennedy's last accomplishment was dying.

  • ||

    Kennedy's last greatest accomplishment was dying.

    FTFY

  • PapayaSF||

    If Israel is the "apex predator" in the Middle East, tell me, why there are any Palestinians (or Muslims) left in the region at all? I think Israel is more like a tough guy outnumbered and surrounded. Every time he gets attacked, he beats the crap out of his attackers. But he remains surrounded and outnumbered. That doesn't make him an "apex predator."

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    It makes him the protagonist of like 1,000 American movies.

  • GamerFromJump||

    "Every time he gets attacked, he beats the crap out of his attackers."

    And the crowd watching complains about how mean he is.

  • Migrant Log Picker||

    Pierce seems convinced he is "The Cleverest of them All" in everything he writes.

    I read his stuff on Grantland mostly and I'll be reading something insightful then he goes full Prog and ruins the article with something he (and the editors, I guess) deem clever. It's annoying as hell and makes me want to punch his eminently punchable face.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    Flowery prose should be left to trained, licensed experts. When journalists do it, the result is typically what you would get from a monkey slapping it's balls against the keyboard.

  • Viscount Irish, Slayer of Huns||

    I also like that he whines about Netanyahu 'compromising' the president's foreign policy with Iran, as if the PM of a sovereign foreign country is bound to uphold American foreign policy initiatives.

    How's that for an imperialistic worldview?

  • Paul.||

    You caught the 'invited by' Boehner part, right? It's almost like Shrike writing that Netanyahu was invited by Rush Limbaugh.

  • wareagle||

    everything is about Obama with these people. Eventually, it all comes back to Obama. How dare the PM of Israel, a chair assed by men of both Likud and Labor who ALL had issues with Arabs, dare say out loud that Iran could be a problem. If you want to disagree with Bibi, then do so like a grownup. But taking shots at Kristol for laughing at Obama's response to the speech, and Obama's response deserves ridicule and mocking, is silly.

  • ||

    I notice that every one of Obumbles cheerleaders, always on the defensive, assign no motives to those who oppose President Not My Fault other than.....racism and Obumble hate. They never acknowledge that people like Netanyahu may actually have sound reasons for opposing the Chocolate Jesus.

  • ||

    Ms. El Rhazoui’s “relative position of power,” the writer continued, had granted her a “free pass to make condescending attacks on a member of the university.”

    Everything about human interactions contains a relative power element. Everything. I'm talking to my boss? He has relative power over me. Yet I have the power to quit, and he might really need me. Talking to girl at a party and think she's really attractive? She now has that power over you. Maybe she's clearly interested in you too. Now you have that power as well. And so on.

    It is the very nature of human relationships to have power dynamics involved. These people who decry them are...practically autistic. It's like the most basic, normal, common elements of human socialization are lost on them, that they're frightening to them. This is not normal. It's not healthy. And it's also...really primitive. I mean, they're basically utterly failing at the most core human social task: interacting successfully with a wide range of other humans.

    As to the fact that their "safe spaces" are literally Romper Rooms...that's just the icing on the cake that these people are developmentally stunted. I mean...holy fucking shit. Come on.

  • wareagle||

    for some unknown reason, the preyed-upon university member lacked the power and the balls to fire back. That aside, it is comical to listed to these people complaining of power disparities when talking about someone whose opinions could literally get her killed in different parts of the world.

  • Paul.||

    Talking to girl at a party and think she's really attractive?

    Leave my mother out of this.

  • ||

    Oh, I am. She's still asleep. We were very...active...last night.

  • hamilton||

    Epi, leave your ANR fantasies out of this.

  • ||

    I'll just post this and leave it at that.

    (this is the best new comedy show on television, by the way)

  • Lady Bertrum||

    Dammnnnn. I need to check that show out.

  • ||

    Yes. Yes you do. It's absolutely hilarious.

  • JW||

    Epi, no one wants to see your home movies.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Have a seat on the couch, Paul. Tell me what's on your mind.

  • Paul.||

    Shouldn't you be calling me by my gay porn name?

  • ||

    "Jack Hammer"

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    "Grand Canyon"

  • Jerry on the sea||

    Look, when you're getting $200k in debt enrolled in gender studies at Brown, they should at least provide you with a safe room.

  • Lady Bertrum||

    Some fresh Play-Doh and puppy vids is the least they can do.

  • Homple||

    Oh goody. Universities are producing Eloi, the welfare state is hatching Morlocks.

    Stirring times ahead.

  • checkdempremises||

    Bam!

  • Lady Bertrum||

    The real world will be a brutal, brutal awakening for these people. And, eventually, they will face the 'real' world because at some point you simply cannot control every aspect of your environment.

    Mind blowing.

  • Paul.||

    Nah, I'm sure at the end of it there'll be even more free stuff than our narrow minds can imagine.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    That's the plan. Seriously.

  • ||

    I wouldn't last a week at University today. No doubt I would get kicked out five minutes after I showed up at one of these 'safe spaces' and started passing out pacifiers.

  • Beautiful Bean Footage||

    My pastor has three going on four kids. All three of them were weaned off of the binky before their first birthday. Apparently they are more emotionally mature than these college twits.

  • ||

    I had a hell of a time getting my son off of the pacifier, his mother being the problem.

    When he was 11 mo. old I succeeded by showing him how much fun it was to throw the damn thing out of the car window. Every time she would buy a new one I would just take him for a ride and roll the window down. Before his first bday he was off of it.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    I refused for my 3rd boy. No pacy for him. Ever

  • ||

    How do you get him to shut the fuck up when he doesn't want to shut the fuck up? Having an infant chew on my finger is a little too disconcerting.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    I trained him.

    There's a lot of trial and error.

  • ||

    Have you ever tried simply turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?

  • hamilton||

    "It's not the sharpest tool in the box, but it gets the job done."

  • checkdempremises||

    F.A.R.T approved

  • GILMORE||

    "Every time she would buy a new one I would just take him for a ride and roll the window down. Before his first bday he was off of it."

    i always wondered where all those flying pacifiers were coming from

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Raves.

  • GILMORE||

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    And not a looker among them.

    Now I know what hell looks like.

  • John Titor||

    I sometimes wonder what would happen to these types if we had some kind of conflict similar to, say, the Second World War. Do you think these people would be able to survive the Blitz? Would such people in leadership roles simply roll over and die in the face of a determined enemy on more-or-less equal footing? Would they be able to hide in ditches, steal food and take potshots at German convoys for a year like my grandfather did? I'd like to think that people can rapidly adapt to the environment, but these people and their obsession with their petty personal emotional responses gives me pause.

  • Viscount Irish, Slayer of Huns||

    The correct answer is that they'd be Nazi collaborators because they're the sort of people who immediately allow their will to be subsumed by the general collective.

    There's a tendency for a certain type of person to fall in line with whatever collectivist idea is currently ascendant. This is why an awful lot of pro-fascist people became pro-Communist with great ease and its why economic Marxism has been replaced so effectively in colleges with social Marxism. The actual idea doesn't matter. They just want to serve the collective.

  • Issue Ninja||

    "The correct answer is that they'd be Nazi collaborators..."

    Perhaps the best post I ever read. One quibble: They won't be National Socialist collaborators, they will be National Socialists. Otherwise, I stand humbled by your wisdom.

  • ||

    I think a lot of this bullshit only happens because it can, because we have such a wealthy, successful, peaceful society. Plenty of people will harden the fuck up when they have to. I mean when they have to. These people are going to avoid having to at all costs, but if they can't, like most humans, they will probably mostly step the fuck up and deal. Because they have to, or they die.

    It's tolerated because our society is successful, peaceful, and tolerant. It's just little shitheads taking advantage of that. There will always be little shitheads who take advantage of that in a myriad of ways. I guarantee you that a bunch of the people who hardened up in WWII and did what had to be done would be the little shitheads we see here if born now.

  • trshmnster the terrible||

    I think a lot of this bullshit only happens because it can, because we have such a wealthy, successful, peaceful society.

    Everybody physiologically needs adversity in their life. There's a reason that eating disorders are prominent in the first world, but practically non-existent anywhere else. Without some sort of adversity in your life, your mind will make some up. We're seeing this in colleges, as well. While normal, well-adjusted people find challenge in a variety of things (doing well in school, rooting for the sports team, doing every extracurricular they can), these special snowflakes lack the ambition to achieve despite the challenges.

    Rather than working to better themselves, they merely invent adversity and react to it the same way they did the last time they had to handle real challenge... they grab their binky and cry for their mommies.

  • ||

    I've heard it asserted that people can't be psychologically normal without engaging in actual fights every so often. I thought it sounded silly at the time, but I'm beginning to wonder if there's not something to that assertion. Would these whiners be whining so hard if they were in a boxing club and getting punched in the face three nights a week? Somehow I doubt it.

  • trshmnster the terrible||

    That's an interesting thought. If you broaden it out to strenuous physical activity (instead of just fights), it would explain the reason that SJWs tend to have BMIs in the 30s and clinical depression.

  • ||

    That seems undeniably true to me. I doubt actual fighting is necessary, but some sort of hard physical labor, and ideally competition, is indispensable for mental health. It's what I'm getting at when I say that maybe people should squat more. I mean, my BMI is well into the 30s, but not in the same way as them, you know?

  • ||

    What's the matter, steroids make you retarded?

  • Viscount Irish, Slayer of Huns||

    I don't think it's 'fights' I think it's adversity and activity. I used to have fits of depression before I started running and working out a few years ago because people get depressed when they're inactive. Similarly, anyone lacking legitimate adversity in their lives will just invent something, and probably something immensely unhealthy.

    The real secret is to find something to struggle against and work towards which actually improves yourself and improves those around you rather than simply swinging wildly at phantoms that only you can see.

  • ||

    I agree completely. I don't think it was the fighting that helped this dude who was making the assertion, I think it was the training to fight.

  • DEG||

    I'm reminded of the saying "Idle hands are the devil's playthings".

    There was a time after I moved to New England where I felt in the shitter, down all the time, and generally not normal. One day I got back to working out (unfortunately, I've drifted away from the gym), and working on my Master's. I was too busy to feel like that. Life started getting a shit ton better for me after that point.

  • Nihilist Denialist||

    It's hilarious to read people who use "Reasonable" to filter comments from people they disagree with, complain about others who attempt to hide from viewpoints that go against their beliefs.

    You guys are talking about projection upthread, but I could just as easily make a duck appear with my hands on your comments too.

  • John Titor||

    I'm sorry, where exactly are people at Reason demanding that other people be silenced? Oh wait, they don't, they actually consistently engage with people and end up blocking them after repeated poor behaviour. Of course, those people also don't cowardly change their name on a regular basis due to their well-earned negative reputation.

    It's not 'hiding' to walk away from a screeching street preacher after you've heard their empty rant a dozen times.

  • ||

    These people? No. These are the people who would point out where the Jews are hiding and then fuck Nazi officers to get an extra coffee ration.

  • Hork_Bajork||

    Nazi officers are pretty hot. Even the Jews thought so, look up Stalag fiction if you don't believe me.

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    No, thank you.

  • juris imprudent||

    P.J. O'Rourke pretty well nailed this: "No one has ever had a fantasy about being tied to a bed and sexually ravished by someone dressed as a liberal."

  • Rhywun||

    That's... awesome.

  • trshmnster the terrible||

    I sometimes wonder what would happen to these types if we had some kind of conflict similar to, say, the Second World War. Do you think these people would be able to survive the Blitz? Would such people in leadership roles simply roll over and die in the face of a determined enemy on more-or-less equal footing?

    It depends what the calamity is. If it's a legitimate ground invasion and occupation... they'll be slobbering on the new dong of authority, just like the current one. Sure, some may be put up against the wall and purged, but the more useful the useful idiot is, the longer they stick around. I'm watching the original Battlestar Galactica on Netflix, and there's a human on there who sold out to the Cylons, doing everything he can to stay alive just one more day... in reality, there will be millions that sell out. Some are cowards, some sympathizers, some schemers.

    If these people are forced to survive in real adversity, they're going to have a really tough time. This isn't Nazi Germany. We didn't have an all-consuming war 20 years ago, we haven't struggled economically for a decade. These are people who can't handle it when the AC goes out for 2 hours. Some will adapt, but there are many people who would literally starve to death or die trying to steal food because they legitimately don't know anything about feeding themselves beyond going to the grocery store.

  • ||

    Cypher: You know, I know this steak doesn't exist. I know that when I put it in my mouth, the Matrix is telling my brain that it is juicy and delicious. After nine years, you know what I realize?
    [Takes a bite of steak]
    Cypher: Ignorance is bliss.

  • hamilton||

    OT: There's a Boston area meetup this week. (Okay, probably it's mostly a drinking session, but we all knew that).

    Email me and don't be [insert name of hated/feared troll] if you want in.

    If you're ENB, I'm buying.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Also occurring in LA and Chicago this week. We sure have a lot of drunkards.

  • hamilton||

    Well, fuck it, everyone needs a hobby.

    We should do a global (or continental) meetup sometime. Come to think of it, reason should sponsor such an event (and then promptly disavow it).

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    They serve booze at most of their events. Good booze.

    I should try and drink back my donation.

  • hamilton||

    Yeah, I've, um, found that out. It worked somewhat backwards as I increased my donation to compensate.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    It would take me a while to claw back my donation through booze, but that won't stop me from trying.

  • Migrant Log Picker||

    Fuck yeah, Rainbow People.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Speaking of which, LTC John/Swiss Servator:
    Your contact info is lacking. If you have a throw away email, please post here.

  • Sudden||

    I will be in Boise for a total of 8 hours tomorrow in case anyone wants to drink between the hours of noon and 3 PM.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    The hours work, but the location doesn't.

    Do you have Michael Hihn's email? I hear he's a real pleasure.

  • Rhywun||

    I will be in Boise for a total of 8 hours tomorrow

    My mom divorced my father just to get us the hell out of that place. Well, I suppose there were other reasons too.

  • DEG||

    There's a Boston area meetup this week. (Okay, probably it's mostly a drinking session, but we all knew that).

    I thought "drinking session" and "Boston area meetup" were the same thing?

  • Auric Demonocles||

    I'll be sad if I meet ENB just after my 1.5 years of being single ends.

  • hamilton||

    NO FIGHTING OVER ELIZABETH.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    How do you know when it will end?

  • Nihilist Denialist||

    Email me and don't be [insert name of hated/feared troll] if you want in.

    Sounds like someone's hiding from challenges to their deeply held beliefs.

  • hamilton||

    Or we just want to get drunk without a fucking thesis defense, sweetness.

  • Nihilist Denialist||

    Hmm, if memory serves my thesis defense would have been a lot more enjoyable if everyone was drunk.

  • ||

    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Nothing is funnier than a social retard like Tulpa whining (which is all he ever does, about anything) about not being invited/liked. "Why don't you want me around, you dumb fucks who clearly can't handle my greatness."

    And the best part is he literally cannot understand why people can't stand him. Oh god it's so absolutely delicious. It's like watching a gorilla try to figure out a Rubik's Cube. Eventually he'll just smash it and blame it for his own retardedness.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    I'd go out for a drink with him. I'd even buy. He might be slightly uncomfortable, but that's his problem.

  • Nihilist Denialist||

    I wouldn't go to one of those things anyway. All it takes is one kook who wants to bring an online grudge into real life for things to turn ugly real fast.

  • JW||

    Oh, Tulpa, I'm sure that everyone here dreads the thought of you taking a drunken swing at them.

    And by dread, I mean, hopes upon their sister's virginity that you do.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Only a complete fucking asshole, such as yourself, Tulpa, would worry about something like that at a party consisting of NAP following libertarians.

  • Nihilist Denialist||

    I would be more concerned with being "doxed", which is noncoercive, however rat-bastardish.

  • Nihilist Denialist||

    I don't live anywhere near Boston, so I wouldn't be able to go invited or not, goofball. I just thought that particular sentence was ironic in the context of the thread.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    so I wouldn't be able to go invited or not

    Don't be silly. You are absolutely not invited.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Someone's ears are burning.

  • Libertarian||

    Jesus. I've been reading the comments on Mark Bittman's NYTimes op ed today. How does that city even function? I'd call them socialists, but I think they're full-on communists.

  • Rhywun||

    Most of don't read the NYT and therefore we do just fine. What's this about?

  • Rhywun||

    "Most of us"

  • Libertarian||

    I know, God help me I usually enjoy the dead tree paper. I just need to stop reading the comments online. He wrote about robots, and how the future is going to demand that we change the way the economy works because of lack of jobs, etc.

    Sample one: Good luck with that Utopia. We already see companies like Walmart and Amazon replacing warehouse workers with robots. The big stockholders and top management of large corporations, especially the privately owned ones, in other words the 0.1% the uber-rich, own the robots and own their productivity.

    Sample two: One perfectly attainable goal is to mandate full employment. There are always things to do, even in a future where robots or other mechanized devices do much of the work (the work week would be ratcheted down over time). Every able-bodied, able-minded individual should be required to work for income and that income should be sufficient to keep them out of poverty (subject, obviously, to a clear definition of poverty).

    Sample three: we need to get the squares off the board, tax the robots 'income' at 100% (after maintenance, depreciation and other legitimate operating expenses) and make sure the NRA doesn't insist they have the right to carry weapons...

  • GILMORE||

    among the extra-retarded people, this whole "robots are takin teh jobses" theme seems to be increasingly in vogue.

    mtrueman was harping about it even before it was uncool.

    but now I think the Salon-level-derp-slingers have gotten a hold of this idea and are flogging it hard.

    I think its hilarious - since the fact is that its barely a hair different from the Mexican-panic that is so everpresent on the Right. "TAKIN UR JOBS"

    As though either low-skilled mexicans or highly specified robots are 'replacements' for the vast majority of actual jobs. For everything 'automated' there is a new job for the people designing/building/maintaining/programming the automatons. Progs are always pretending that they're looking out for those "industrial line-workers"... you know, the "real laborers" they're always fawning over... its just they never seem to actually find any. The best they can do is SEIU, and man....if we could replace those assholes with robots, boy would we be doing the universe a favor. ( a quick Google search shows that one of the words most commonly associated with SEIU is "scumbags". My particular favorite was, ""SEIU scumbags make the Teamsters look like Eagle Scouts.")

    But retards are just going to retard *harder* whenever its a slow news day.

  • Libertarius||

    Have you been to Zero Hedge lately? The place is a leftwing sewer, replete with every worn-out Marxist canard you can think of (Jew bankers, the robots will make us useless, eat the rich, etc.)

  • GILMORE||

    it was actually a good "libertarian" place for Wall St. people back in the 2006-2009 period.... then after the fall, they basically went full retard/alex jones

    they probably still have sensible people who post there occasionally. its sad that the few "alternative financial" perspectives devolved into idiots. It was a good thing when it was a place for various contrarian perspectives rather than the kind of mono-thematic bullshit they flog now.

  • GamerFromJump||

    "Sample two: [Mandate full employment]"

    Well, from three years in China, where they try to do just that, I can say that that dog don't hunt.

    Basically, you get one of the following: 1) severely overmanning a project, but it doesn't get done any faster; 2) manning the work with people who don't know what they're doing, so the quality is shit; 3) the "deciders" put people on sexy projects yielding 1) or 2), while there's tons of other things that could be getting done.

  • GILMORE||

    Oh, god.

    FYI, the last thing he wrote in the Times....during the Garner protests? was the most godawful stupid thing i'd seen in ages.

    The Sunday Times makes the regular weekday politically-left stuff look tame. The weekends is when the liberal suburbanites sit down and really let their progressive-bullshit-appetite run wild. Its always some combination of "Wouldn't It Be Nice If We Could Change The World to Do _______", or some other utopian wish-list... "if only government were given more power...we'd ALL have unicorns!!"

    e.g. - A Classic of the Genre = Isn't the Nanny State *Actually a Great Idea* ??"

  • Libertarian||

    You're good. Those types of comments are exactly what are there today. (see my reply just above).

  • Rhywun||

    "It’s comforting to know that, despite the spread of legal gambling from coast to coast, Uncle Sam is defending the virtue of innocent Americans against evil games of chance in cyberspace."

    Oh, come on. That's trolling.

  • DEG||

    As their students mature, my mother and her co-workers encourage the children to forego high chairs and upgrade from diapers to "big kid" toilets. If only American college administrators and professors did the same with their students.

    This paragraph is an awesome way to end the post.

  • BHK||

    Like toddlers, these young adults are throwing tantrums. The difference is that rather than lying on the ground, screaming, and yelling "no no no", they do it in a more articulate and still just as irrational way. And, it's normal for adults to have the adult-version of tantrums. We all do engage in it when we know we need to do something (like exercise), but choose to do something else (like sleep in and eat junk food instead of exercise.) It's just that most adults don't get coddled for these choices, whereas the young adults in universities are being coddled and soon they'll take that coddling in the workforce and beyond. When they have to discipline themselves, they'll not know how to do it, and they'll blame everyone else for that lack.

  • Vernon Depner||

    It's too bad the article was marred by his opening with the silly practice of referring to nurseries as "schools" and the attendants there as "teachers". I know that it makes working parents feel better about kenneling their children with strangers while they work to tell themselves their kids are at "school", but let's keep it real.

  • trshmnster the terrible||

    That does irritate me too, but not enough to get my fur up in a dander.

  • ||

    It's too bad th'article was marred by the comparison of university with school and of th'attendants there with teachers. I know that it makes somebody feel better.... =-

  • Hork_Bajork||

    So this explains the rise in sales of adult diapers around campus lately!

    And I thought it was just the local Fetlife crew being weird...

  • Nihilist Denialist||

    I'm shocked that only a couple dozen college students showed up where there was free food. Cookies, no less. To me that's a sign that these idiots are NOT taken seriously.

  • GroundTruth||

    These kids are drama queens, pure and simple. Time for them all to grow up.

  • Meriwether3||

    Damn. I showed up late and missed my chance to write something sardonic about today's youth. Bummer. Now no one will see my comment and tell me how witty I am.
    ☆ sad emoticon ☆

  • fashion pria||

    but i like this post actualy
    agen tiket pesawat | bisnis tiket pesawat

  • Jess||

    How about safe places on college campuses for libertarians? LoL!

  • JeremyR||

    Apparently they have, in New York, nursery school for adults. So it's not just college students that are being infantalized.

    Really though, I think a lot of this is simply leftist (and Islamist) tactics to shut down speech. Muslims know we are weak and they are taking advantage of our weakness by crying "Islamophobia" and "I feel unsafe" every time someone tries to criticize Islam.

  • Migrant Log Picker||

    They ran out of pampers and enfamil at Brown and UC....what is THIS....Venezuela.

  • rudehost||

    Hey proggie snowflakes the workplace doesn't have safe spaces with puppy videos when you are traumatized by your bosses demands that you get your work done.

    Good luck with that.

  • ElDuderino||

    So the next two decades of cultural and economic "progress" will be foisted upon us by these fucking pussies. Great. I can't wait till those toddlers grow up and knock these twats upside their heads.

  • morganovich||

    this is the next step in complete indoctrination.

    i realize that sounds a bit excessive and overdone, but stop and consider this:

    if you seek to keep a group in line, how do you do it?

    you indoctrinate them into ideas and then you prevent them from coming into contact with opposing views.

    but you cannot watch them all the time. in the age of the internet, you cannot stop them from ranging where they will.

    so you must prevent them from WANTING to see these ideas.

    so you tell them it's OK to feel "triggered" and that ideas that "challenge their beliefs" are "damaging" and you teach them to censor themselves.

    now you have them for life.

    the oppose different ideas, but will never actually confront and interact with them, so they cannot learn from them, discover other viewpoints, or (gasp) modify their views.

    they live in a happy little bubble of self indulgence.

  • Billy Bones||

    Quite obviously, what did we think was going to happen when the children that we have coddled, built cocoons around to protect, and basically shielded from every harsh reality of life, went off to college? This is just a side product of the whole "every child deserves a trophy to protect their feelings" mentality that has become so pervasive in today's society. Our children have absolutely no idea how to cope with disappointment, dissension, or adversity.

  • TimothyLane||

    One of the major goals of liberalism is the infantilizing of the population (except perhaps for the Inner Party). They seem to have succeeded brilliantly in academia.

  • antykanjr||

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  • Roger Knights||

    Typo: "forego" should be "forgo."

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