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Federal Agent Thinks Dad Taking Picture of Daughters Is Sex Trafficking

DHSDHSEvery summer for the past 14 years, Jeff Gates has taken a picture of his two daughters hugging on a ferry boat as they travel to their summer home on the Jersey Shore. This year, as he was completing the annual ritual, a stranger came up to him and said, “I would be remiss if I didn’t ask if you were okay.”

He was talking to the daughters. It took a minute before Gates realized what the stranger meant by the comment. As he recounts in The Washington Post:

At first none of us understood what he was talking about. His polite tone and tourist attire of shorts, polo shirt and baseball cap threw us off. It took me a moment to figure out what he meant, but then it hit me: He thought I might be exploiting the girls, taking questionable photos for one of those “Exotic Beauties Want to Meet You!” Web sites or something just as unseemly. When I explained to my daughters what he was talking about, they were understandably confused. I told the man I was their father. He quickly apologized and turned away.

Gates and his wife had adopted the girls from China, making the Gates a mixed-race family. Should that automatically set off warning signals? Gates thought no. So, after a time, he tracked the man down and confronted him:

I walked outside to where he was standing and calmly said: “Excuse me, sir, but you just embarrassed me in front of my children and strangers. And what you said was racist.”

The man didn’t seem at all fazed. He replied: “I work for the Department of Homeland Security. And let me give you some advice: You were standing there taking photos of them hugging for 15 minutes.”

And there we have it: He's from Homeland Security. He is paid by the government to suspect the very worst at all times and butt in.

When the government is telling Americans that we should be on guard against everyone, everywhere, at all times ("If you see something, say something"), it might start to seem plausible—likely, even—that a sex trafficker would take photos of his sex slaves, in public, for 15 minutes. In reality, of course, that's absurd.

Gates continues:free-range-kids

A week later, on the ferry ride home, as my oldest and I were walking on deck, I suggested that we imagine the other passengers through this man’s eyes. She grimaced but agreed. It was so easy to project suspicious stories onto the white woman trying to grab a black child — instead of seeing a mother running after her son. Or to suppose that an old man was taking inappropriate photos of a young girl — instead of seeing a grandfather capturing a special moment with his granddaughter. We talked about this as we walked around the deck. 

The deliberate decision to engage in worst-first thinking—thinking of the very worst case scenario first and proceeding as if it's likely to happen—is not only what gets fathers treated like traffickers, it also gets moms arrested for letting their kids play in the park ("What if the child was kidnapped?") and other parents arrested for letting their kids wait in the car for ten minutes ("What if they left them there all day?").

Worst-first thinking, the authorities say, is the kind of thinking that makes us safe and secure. And I say it makes us paranoid and cruel.

Photo Credit: DHS

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  • Heroic Mulatto||

    There was nothing more I could say, nor did I need to hear any more explanations from him. I thought about asking for his business card or his name, but instead I just walked away, feeling exposed.
  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Squirrels.

    So we have no idea if the busybody actually works for the DHS, or if he was attempting to get out of the confrontation by lying.

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    "Captain, I want to report a middle aged man in shorts, polo shirt and baseball cap who has been taking an inordinate interest in my teenage Asian daughters. He admits ogling them for about 15 minutes."

  • Scarecrow Repair||

    Unfortunately, you would lose, because official busybodies are especially annoyed when anyone questions their authoriteh, and they have face to save; the system is sacrosanct, above and beyond mere peasants.

  • Freddy B||

    +1

    I've encountered this and admit to having been cowed and retreated. Is there any of us who have not in some way, is it not what we do every April 15th? I try and go by the simple, "I comply, but do not capitulate". When the bureaucrats and the costumed jack booted thugs close ranks with each other the individual will lose.

  • Bill||

    All he has to do is flash his Home-Land SECURITY CARD and arrest everyone on the boat.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    Sounds like he was some kind of perv to me.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Sounds like he was some kind of perv to me.

    Exactly. I'm the father to a daughter. If some guy came up unannounced and attempted to question her without acknowledging me, my suspicions would be heightened.

  • Omaha||

    He identified himself as a DHS agent.

    Same thing.

  • SQRLSY One||

    “If you see something, say something”… If I see the cops harassing the hell out of someone for the crime of “breathing while black”, and I say something to the cops about it, I get the crap beat out of me. They should be more honest, and re-phrase it… “If you see something suspicious done by a NON-Servant of Government Almighty, say something”… Just a WEE tad on honesty, PWEASE?!?!?

  • Adans smith||

    you know who else said 'see something say something'?

  • cavalier973||

    Ray Charles?

  • SQRLSY One||

    God is Love, Love is blind, Ray Charles is blind, and so … Ray Charles is GOD!!!

  • DEATFBIRSECIA||

    Gladys Kravitz?

  • DEATFBIRSECIA||

    Monkey?

    No, that was see something, do something.

  • DEATFBIRSECIA||

    Timothy Leary?

  • DEATFBIRSECIA||

    The Gimp in Pulp Fiction?

  • Reveillon||

    Randy Newman?

  • Vulgar Madman||

    Obviously, we need a witchfinder general.

  • Redmanfms||

    We've already got Bo-Bo for that.

  • Marshall Gill||

    When the government is telling Americans that we should be on guard against everyone, everywhere, at all times ("If you see something, say something"), it might start to seem plausible—likely, even—that a sex trafficker would take photos of his sex slaves, in public, for 15 minutes. In reality, of course, that's absurd. that we have become a police state with internal propaganda indistinguishable from that of the former Soviet Union.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    We're not like the SU you teababbing peanut.

    In the Soviet Union, everyone feared the midnight knock on their door.

    In America, everyone fears the midnight SWAT raid, with guns blazing, incendiary grenades and dead pets.

  • RussianPrimeMinister||

    While I do believe there are some within the government who really do think this way, and believe they are doing right by trying to prevent terrorism or kidnapping or murder, I'm quite certain that, for the most part, this is just an excuse for power hungry maniacs to abuse our civil rights.

    When you can claim "because security" or "because drugs" or "because child abuse" or "because sex trafficking" any time you feel like exercising your nearly unlimited power, then of course that's what you'll say. Always remember, the government has it's own interests at heart, and this is true from the most singular member to the most bloated bureuacracy.

  • Virginian||

    Totally engaged with the scene in front of me, I jumped when a man came up beside me and said to my daughters: “I would be remiss if I didn’t ask if you were okay.”

    Oh god feel the tyranny in that polite question.

    When I explained to my daughters what he was talking about, they were understandably confused. I told the man I was their father. He quickly apologized and turned away.

    Oh no, not a quick apology after taking the man at his word.

    Seriously, if this guy was indeed a DHS employee, he probably had the least offensive interaction with a citizen in the history of the department. He asked a question, got his answer, apologized for the offense, and then left them alone. Then the writer went and called him a racist.

    This supposed DHS guy didn't violate the writer's rights in any way, shape, or form. He walked up to him in a public place and asked a question. He did not detain, arrest or demand ID.

    The best counter to the Orwellian nanny state is an active and engaged citizenry who looks out for their fellow human beings through a robust and polite civil society. If this curious man was indeed a federal agent, then I wish all federal agents were so polite, circumspect, and reasonable.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Then the writer went and called him a racist.

    Considering the dude just called him a pedophile, turnabout is fair play, no?

  • Rich||

    "Mr. Gates assaulted a Federal Agent in the line of duty."

  • Solomon Grundy||

    Where did "the dude" call him a pedophile? Up to that point, "the dude" hadn't even talked to him, other than apologizing.

  • creech||

    Give it time. Five years from now, due to the dreaded ISIS threat, etc., it will be "Your Papers, please."

  • RussianPrimeMinister||

    So, yeah, this is fucking true.

    My co-workers were having a conversation in the break room on Friday, and I got to eavesdrop a little bit. They were discussing ISIS and what should be done about them. And guess what? Terrorism! War! Government control!

    When you can listen to everyday people that you know for a fact have a vote say things like "The feds should take all the muslims and put them in a camp!" then you just KNOW you're fucked.

  • ||

    In five years? Where have you been?

  • pan fried wylie||

    2009.

  • CatoTheElder||

    "Your Papers, please."

    In my experience DHS agents have dropped the "please" pleasantries.

    In this particular regard, they are actually worse than the Gestapo. Well, at least they are worse than the way old war movies portrayed the Gestapo.

  • Freddy B||

    Seems like both Red Team and Blue Team could both get behind a national stop and frisk policy/demand papers policy.

    I wonder how Democrats will square the circle when presented with: "No ID to vote, but an ID any time the authorities demand?"

  • mr lizard||

    His polite behavior was due to a lack of an armored truck, 12 dudes dressed like laser tag players, and a friendly dog in sight.

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    I don't think it's been established that the guy was a cop. Anyone can say, "oh, I'm a government sex crimes inspector, and that's why I was staring at your teenage daughters for 15 minutes."

    All we know is that some middle aged guy took an inordinate interest in a couple teenage girls who were out with their father, and the middle aged guys thoughts immediately went to sex.

  • RussianPrimeMinister||

    Problem is, this is a day and age where, yes, government employees will do anything to anybody anywhere for any reason.

    It doesn't take more than a baby step to move into dystopian thinking anymore. We've simply been forced too far in that direction already.

  • TonyM||

    2 generations. May not be a baby step, but as soon as people accept this type of harassment as normal, their kids won't know any better. And then it's game over. That land of the free stuff didn't last long. I give it another 30 years max.

  • Sudden||

    "oh, I'm a government sex crimes inspector, and that's why I was staring at your teenage daughters for 15 minutes."

    That's my go-to line

  • ||

    You're right that the agent chose the least aggressive action he could have taken, other than inaction. However, that doesn't mean that what he did wasn't a problem. Imagine growing up as an Asian girl with white parents, and getting constant reminders from the people around you that people don't see you as a real family. Imagine how embarrassing it would be to have a stranger think that you were being sex trafficked by your father.

    If the girls are at all worldly, they would also realize that if a polite and reasonable government agent thought it necessary to confront them with their father, they have reason to fear a less reasonable agent in the future.

  • Virginian||

    Confront them? He asked a question. A simple question.

    This is the kind of shit that gets me annoyed. Words are not assault, even when they come from the mouths of putative government agents (still is not confirmed that this guy was DHS.)

    He asked a very polite question, got an answer, and then apologized for being rude. The other stuff only came up because the dad went and talked to supposed DHS guy. Which I note again, was just another conversation between adults. No one was arrested or threatened with arrest. No one was physically assaulted or threatened with same.

    We're also only getting one side of the story, and probably will never get the other POV. But the guy telling it is not an unbiased observer, although I think he told it pretty straight, though with a tendency for claiming victim status.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Totally engaged with the scene in front of me, I jumped when a man came up beside me and said to my daughters: “I would be remiss if I didn’t ask if you were okay.”
    He asked a very polite question

    Maybe you and I have a different idea of what politeness entails, but I don't view coming up from behind someone and addressing two girls with "I would be remiss if I didn’t ask if you were okay" while not acknowledging the man who probably is their father to be polite at all. It is a statement that establishes one's authority over another. By saying he would "be remiss", he is saying that what he is observing requires him to be legally obligated to intervene.

    Again, if you came up to me from behind and started to address my daughter without acknowledging me as well, my own protective instincts would kick in. Now I'll admit that I have some bias as a reserved New Englander who views any question past "how are you doing" to be an uncouth imposition; nevertheless, approaching someone on the lido deck with a glorified "Hey! I think you might be a pimp!" is not polite by any regional standards.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    And not only from a politeness standpoint but a tactical one as well, wouldn't the best thing to do, if he really was that concerned, be to ask the crew of the ferry to check the ids of the 3 when they disembarked, and if they didn't have the same surnames, then intervene?

    If you recall, in a similar case involving a White father who was stopped by Border Patrol when crossing into Canada with his Asian-looking daughters, I didn't criticize the agents' actions as a border crossing is a legitimate place to investigate human trafficking and that the man hadn't done enough research to know that it's customary to possess a letter from the other parent expressing consent for the children to cross international borders with only one parent.

    But this isn't a border crossing, nor is it an international port-of-entry. It was a fucking ferry on the Jersey shore. If you want a world where DHS agents are paid to patrol ferries looking for violations of the Mann Act, then be my guest. Just don't call it liberty.

  • Spyrius Droid||

    If the girls were sex crime victims, of course they would lie to the guy who asked if they were ok. "Oh thank you. We were only waiting for someone as brave as you to walk up to us in front of our captor and ask us a generic question. Now we are saved!! We didn't think of running to all the cops we passed on our trip here, or saying anything to the ferry workers, but of course we would confide in a stranger that looks like they have no authority and ability to help us!! You are so brave, and thoughtful, thank you for butting into our lives and asking an inane question!!"

  • Robert||

    Tbat's what bothers me. Who was engaging in worst-first thinking here? I think it was the photog. Going back to the guy, saying it was racist? Come on now.

    I don't blame the DHS guy for trying to pull rank in return. He's got a boring job, minding a ferry boat all day, and for institutional reasons, DHS is touchy about photography. Without being able to see the scene, my guess is that his inquiry had nothing to do with the teenagers at all, but only about why this guy is taking so long with pictures on a conveyance DHS is minding.

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    Oh no! Pictures!

  • Rhywun||

    a conveyance DHS is minding

    The DHS has no fucking business "patrolling" a local ferry service.

  • fuck you tulpa||

    "Imagine growing up as an Asian girl with white parents, and getting constant reminders from the people around you that people don't see you as a real family. "

    No thanks, but if I was going to , this would be just one more little reminder, not even worthy of mentioning.

  • Freddy B||

    What statists don't get is your opening sentence. They can't imagine inaction by government.

    This makes me think about the NY man killed for selling under taxed cigarettes. Inaction was an option for the police: just backing off, telling him stop selling cigarettes there and move along. Instead they chose the most aggressive action.

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    "I'm with the government, and I'm only asking polite questions. Of course, at any moment, if I don't like your answers or if you get mad at me, I can pull out my gun and handcuffs, but I hope that doesn't make you nervous or anything."

  • Freddy B||

    +1

    Exactly! When you are being asked by a coercive member of an often violently aggressive group it is not the same as that of a concerned neighbor. The ability of the police to lawfully attack and kidnap does not make the question a "only asking a polite question".

  • ||

    Sorry for this, but fuck you in the neck.

    The guy shouldn't have had any interaction with them at all. Doesn't matter if he was polite or not. The guy had no cause to approach them at all.

    What was the probable cause? The only one you can have is that the kids were of a different race than the adult. That isn't probable cause.

    I'm probably more sensitive to this than most because I married a Korean woman and I've had shit like this happen to me. No not DHS, but I've been hassled at Chuck E Cheese while trying to pick up my kid (they don't look like me at all).

  • Skip||

    The agent watches too much Law and Order SVU.

  • Libertarian||

    It's not TV necessarily. I'm sure all DHS employees get annual training on "human trafficking". They're trained to be paranoid and think the worst.

  • RealityBites||

    Feral monkeys are incapable of thought.... The DHS carefully excludes any monkey capable of logical thought.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    I don't know. On the one hand, a meddling federal bureaucrat. On the other hand, a guy who cries racist at the drop of a hat. I don't like anyone in this story.

  • Hugh Akston||

    What about the Asian teen girls?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    They ruin the curve.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    On the other hand, a guy who cries racist at the drop of a hat.

    I know there are a lot of false positives out there, but don't be so naive as to suggest that there wasn't an element of profiling here.

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    Sounds racist to me.

  • Marshall Gill||

    don't be so naive as to suggest that there wasn't an element of profiling here.

    Did the Nanny mention race? I would think that children of a very different appearance, especially skin tone, would be more likely to not be that persons child. This doesn't imply any negative impulse against mixed racial adoption or marriage or anything, to me, but could simply increase the "reasons to panic" in said Nanny, DHS idiot.

    I would think that someone who would do this would not care if the daughters were the spitting image of their father. They are on Crusade for the Churlinz and sexual predators are Everywhere.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    I would think that someone who would do this would not care if the daughters were the spitting image of their father. They are on Crusade for the Churlinz and sexual predators are Everywhere.

    Perhaps, but he chose to interact with that particular photographer and his daughters for a reason. And let's not forget in the hysterical sex-trafficking warriors' world, the lies and exaggerations of Somaly Mam loom large.

  • fuck you tulpa||

    "And let's not forget in the hysterical sex-trafficking warriors' world, the lies and exaggerations of Somaly Mam loom large."

    Why?

    That has sweet fuckall to do with THIS situation, and looks like a cheap attempt to avoid admitting you're biased and acting like an asshole.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    That has sweet fuckall to do with THIS situation

    Really? Somaly and her friends building careers out of sensationalistic stories of middle-aged White men traveling to Southeast Asia to have sex with underaged girls, including consulting work with Interpol and the FBI has nothing to do this?

    Don't be angry with me concerning your ignorance.

    Eat shit and die.

  • ||

    Mnm reminds me of some woman from South or Central America who also created a fake story of heroic survialism. I believe the dragon she faced was evil Capitalist of lovers of Democracy, or some other evil associated with White people or US of A type people.

    Seh also was a complete liar who was outed after a book or two and some very profitable foundation activity.

  • ant1sthenes||

    Yes, but to some extent profiling is bad because it tends to have so many false positives. Thinking someone is up to no good because they're black is one thing, but a middle aged white guy hanging out with teenaged Asian girls and taking their picture... well, most people would probably not intervene unless they seemed distressed, but maybe if your law enforcement, you see enough abuse that you have a different perspective?

    Anyway, given the kind of shit that officials pull at the drop of a hat, asking a question to gauge the situation and then leaving seems particularly mild.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    but maybe if your law enforcement, you see enough abuse that you have a different perspective?

    I'll share an observation from friend who was once an EMT. He said that when he realized that when he got a call and his first thoughts were "please let them be dead", he knew it was time to quit.

  • RussianPrimeMinister||

    Don't we usually SUGGEST profiling as a way to keep our airports safe? You know, as an alternative to anal probing?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    I'm not sure this type of profiling would be racism, but I'm not all that invested in this to argue.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    It has equal parts racism and sexism. If when viewing the elements of this situation, your final conclusion is "there is the possibility of something untoward here", you don't have a positive view of young Asian women, nor of middle-aged White men.

  • fuck you tulpa||

    God you're a fucking idiot.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    God, you're a whiny butthurt little bitch.

  • RussianPrimeMinister||

    God, you two should just fuck already!

  • Professor Woland||

    Given his craven love of authority, it appears that fuck you tulpa might actually be tulpa. Strange days.

  • RussianPrimeMinister||

    This seems like proof that Tulpa actually DOES go and fuck himself when we tell him to.

  • Bill||

    I like the commenters even less. :)

  • Longtorso, Johnny||

  • Rich||

    It's "What ifs" all the way down.

  • airforce||

    The man was looking out for a couple teenage girls. And he did so politely, and without force. I'm trying really hard to find any fault in that.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    and without force

    Assuming the guy really was from the DHS, any interaction with an agent of the state entails the potential use of deadly force. What if the dad rightly said 'buzz off'? A muzzle would be pointed at his head as he would have been forced to lie the deck accompanied by screams of "obstruction of justice!" and "stop resisting, motherfucker!".

  • Professor Woland||

    Exactly, why is this so hard to understand? What about the situation could plausibly lead someone to believe this was sex trafficking? This is the equivalent of some cop in the 80s seeing a guy with some Dungeons & Dragons shit walking around with his 10 year old sister and thinking the guy was going to sacrifice a virgin. There probably are situations where the agent's "polite" question would be appropriate, this was about as far from that as possible. Fuck the DHS agent.

  • RussianPrimeMinister||

    He's from the government, maybe.

    So fuck him. Everything they do is evil.

  • RealityBites||

    How much Kooky aid do you consume a day... are you exceeding the maximum allowable dose of two tankers full a day?

    Spineless cowards such as yourself are the reason the feral fed dogs have so much power and are happy to use it.

  • DesigNate||

    Addressing my teenage daughters as if I'm some creepy pedo is not "polite".

  • ||

    airforce,

    Assume the position and ask for more.

  • BigT||

    The smart thing for the King's Man to do would be to hang around and try to overhear some banter between the man and the girls. I'm sure within one minute it would be obvious they were his daughters.

    The King's Man being a semi-literate monkey, of course, meant he had to butt in.

    Too bad the father wasn't packing and didn't drop the POS.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    The terrorists have won. They came upon us not in the flowing robes of nomadic desert tribesmen, or the camouflage fatigues of wily guerrilla shock troops, but in cheap dark suits and aviator sunglasses, carrying the badges of the United States Government.

  • CatoTheElder||

    This guy was in "tourist attire of shorts, polo shirt and baseball cap" but, regardless of attire, Osama and radical Islam successfully used the US Government to kill America.

  • nailzer||

    "Worst-first thinking, the authorities say, is the kind of thinking that makes us safe and secure. And I say it makes us paranoid and cruel."

    Worst first thinking makes it look like terrorist have done their job, to make everyone live in terror.

  • Longtorso, Johnny||

  • ||

    What? THE perfect cheese, as in one? Who the fuck puts one cheese on their pizza? Chuck-E-Cheese?

    Cheeses are layered on a pizza. Hard cheeses like Romano, Gruyere, or Parmesian are ground or grated and put on the bottom next to the meats. The softer cheeses, too many to list, are put over the vegetables and on top, preferably sprinkled with chopped black olives.

    THE best cheese. Those people don't know what they are talking about.

  • Longtorso, Johnny||

    All this on top of thick crust or thin crust?

  • RussianPrimeMinister||

    When I used to work for Papa Johns, I would make my own pizzas, with so many different cheeses and meats that the fucking pizza wouldn't fit into the oven without a serious and concerted effort to mash the toppings down.

    There is no such thing as having too much on a pizza. Ever.

  • ||

    Bingo.

  • ||

    I wholeheartedly disagree with both of you on the pizza front.

    http://theamericanscholar.org/.....ATEQEh8tKo

  • RussianPrimeMinister||

    First, I'm a fat dude with a lust for eating that rivals Bo's love of cocks.

    Second, you're in another country, therefore I can safely mock your food opinions without fear of getting my ass kicked.

    Third. . . .I'm gonna go get a pizza.

  • ||

    Enjoy.

    What's Papa John's on the 'quality' scale?

  • RussianPrimeMinister||

    Better than most. In terms of fast food pizza, I'd rate it squarely at the top.

    It beats out the pizza at most of my local restaurants as well. But that could just be because I live in the smelly armpit of the midwest.

  • cavalier973||

    Mozzarella!

    Dude, I need a government grant for that

  • The Late P Brooks||

    Worst-first thinking, the authorities say, is the kind of thinking that makes us safe and secure.

    I assume every law enforcement officer I see is a murderer and thief, so there may be something to it.

  • Steve G||

    And let me give you some advice: You were standing there taking photos of them hugging for 15 minutes

    Soooo, is that what passes for advice these days?

    Let me give you some advice: the sky is really blue today

  • wwhorton||

    You have exceeded the maximum daily allowance for public hugging, citizen, and will be reported.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    The best counter to the Orwellian nanny state is an active and engaged citizenry who looks out for their fellow human beings through a robust and polite civil society.

    That's nice, except the overwhelming majority of sane (non-LEO) people can determine by a cursory observation of body language and general demeanor the difference between coerced behavior and voluntary.

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    If a dad photographing his adopted daughters is suspicious, what about a single middle-aged man ogling someone else's teen daughters for 15 minutes?

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    what about a single middle-aged man ogling someone else's teen daughters for 15 minutes?

    Why you gotta come down so hard on people's hobbies? Some build model airplanes, and some ogle teenaged girls; people are allowed to have different leisure activities, you know!

  • Marshall Gill||

    RAPE CULTURE!

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    I don't know if "I'm a sex inspector" guy is actually single, but he didn't have the Mrs. with him.

  • RussianPrimeMinister||

    It's not a crime when the government does it.

    Not ever.

  • Robert||

    I suspect the guy from DHS wasn't concerned about the daughters at all, but something else that was in the direction the camera was pointed.

  • Rhywun||

    Oh FFS, this isn't 1950. "Taking pictures" isn't going to get you anything you can't get from Google Earth, and a lot faster.

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    Maybe I'm atypical, but I know several white couples who have adopted foreign dark-skinned kids, Central American or Asian. I also know a married couple where Dad is white and Mom is Asian - their kids are grown up now, but of course they look Asian.

    This is not a rare or suspicious thing.

    Again, statistically, when you have a dad photographing his Asian daughters, and a stranger staring at them for 15 minutes, which one is more likely to be up to no good?

  • Mickey Rat||

    "The man didn’t seem at all fazed. He replied: “I work for the Department of Homeland Security. And let me give you some advice: You were standing there taking photos of them hugging for 15 minutes.”

    "Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help, help, I'm being repressed!"

  • chmercier||

    Does anyone else get the sinking feeling that actual perverts may just start joining LE agencies?

    And - the Punitive Hypotheticals Game! (Also called: Worst Case Scenario.)

    It goes like this - for all normal, everyday activities, assume the absolute worst:

    Driving to work? Drunk driver with a barrel of cocaine and four slaves in the trunk.

    Cooking bacon? Mass murdering cannibal.

    Going for a walk? Casing neighborhoods and parks for terrorist activities, like smoking cigarettes and kidnapping minorities.

    Spinning a fork for pasta? Obviously a secret signal to sex traffickers in restaurants.

  • Steve G||

    OT: I'm sick of being part of the problem, but too unskilled and/or unstable to change jobs
    Apologies if already posted since it's a couple days old, but I lol'd when a former cop/cop fellator HS classmate just posted this on FB.

  • cavalier973||

    All this uncomfortableness could have been avoided if the girls' birth mother had simply exercised her right to "Family Planning".

  • Vampire||

    The DHS is yet another arm of the violent state. Such organizations wouldn't even make it on the market, where free individuals were able to purchase their own defense services.

    As a side note, I haven't watched Fox News in a long time. It happened to be on one place where I was staying, and the blatant advocacy for war was disgusting. They were inflating the ISIS issue, and had their "experts" to include ex operatives (who were a part of the state to begin with) that were saying "we need to do something". The problem is, they've already done too much! These warmongers sit home while advocating more of us be sent to fight their battles. Greg Gutfeld was advocating we be sent into Iraq again, yet never in his life rushed to the recruiters office, or volunteered to privately fight for another place that doesn't even want to defend itself.

  • Steve G||

    Yeah, I think if you actually polled most 'ex operatives' who've lived this crap for a dozen years they'd say we outta sit this one out. It's one thing to serve 20 yrs never doing what you're trained to do, but quite another to spend the bulk of your career doing what you're trained to do only to find out your efforts were for nothing.

  • ||

    Vampire|9.1.14 @ 11:28AM|#

    The DHS is yet another arm of the violent state. Such organizations wouldn't even make it on the market, where free individuals were able to purchase their own defense services."

    No one is preventing you from hiring your own private defense. People do it very frewuently.

    They're called bodyguards and security guards.

  • Whahappan?||

    Can he opt out of the DHS's "services?" No? Then I guess you don't have much of a point.

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    He should have asked to see Mr. sex-inspector's badge, then named and shamed him. If you can manipulate Google so that any mention of Santorum references a loathsome byproduct of sodomy, you can manipulate Google so that this agent's name becomes a synonym for "creepy middle-aged guy who likes to ogle Asian teenagers for 15 minutes."

  • cavalier973||

    Wait, what do you mean? About Santorum, I mean?

    Let me see....

    OH MY GOSH!!!!

  • CatoTheElder||

    Cui bono?

    The interests of the state are best served when its citizens are united by common fear. The fear need not be rational, nor the threat even real.

    The state expends enormous resources on indoctrination in its educational institutions and propaganda in its media outlets to instill fear into its citizens. Its citizens are taught to be helpless without the state and to expect a riskless existence as an achievable norm, but only if they comply with the state's instructions and the enemies of the state are defeated. It's no surprise that agents of the state believe the state's bullshit.

  • libertreee||

    Ironic how Reason is so anti Russian without understanding Russia but now the Russian attitude toward others children is coming to America. Russians have always been meddlesome towards others children even without Soviet Union influence because of so many invasions and conquests the need for collective security has been great. Now America, without any significant invasions since 1812 and only a handful of attacks like Pearl Harbor and 9-11 is going all Russian over others children. Like Nietzsche said, be careful who you wrestle with.

  • libertreee||

    Ironic how Reason is so anti Russian without understanding Russia but now the Russian attitude toward others children is coming to America. Russians have always been meddlesome towards others children even without Soviet Union influence because of so many invasions and conquests the need for collective security has been great. Now America, without any significant invasions since 1812 and only a handful of attacks like Pearl Harbor and 9-11 is going all Russian over others children. Like Nietzsche said, be careful who you wrestle with.

  • GILMORE||

    Say that again, because it didn't make sense the first two times.

  • Fluffy||

    In this particular regard, they are actually worse than the Gestapo. Well, at least they are worse than the way old war movies portrayed the Gestapo.

    That's the thing that's striking to me.

    If you watch Casablanca, you realize within the first 15 minutes that you couldn't make a movie with a similar plot today - not if you made it about the United States.

    The plot works because the Gestapo and Vichy French authorities are bound up in their own legal niceties. The US today would consider itself bound by no such rules.

    "Oh, someone we don't like has made it to a neutral country? No problem, kill him anyway. Use a drone. Who's going to object? Nobody important."

  • CatoTheElder||

    I haven't thought about that before, and you're right. The rule of law is weaker in the US than it was in Vichy France. And the USG canceled the travel documents of Snowden much faster than the Nazis voided those of Victor Laszlo and Ilsa Lund.

    Though Captain Louis Renault's corruption is all too common with US police, I doubt that any would act to subvert unlawful state power.

  • GILMORE||

    " And let me give you some advice: You were standing there taking photos of them hugging for 15 minutes.”"

    (silence)

    '...you said something about 'advice'. I'm still waiting."

  • Libertarian||

    So the DHS guy* is suspicious, but apparently took at face value that the other guy was the girls' father? Isn't that exactly what a human trafficker would say!?!?!?

    * throwing the info out that you're with the DHS is like a WalMart cashier giving you advice on investing your IRA funds.

  • GregMax||

    More people than there is productive work. Government.

  • ClipperMiami||

    They have resources to question fathers taking pictures of their children, grandfathers taking what could easily be the his last picture ever of his beloved granddaughter BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES OR THE WILL TO SECURE THE SOUTHERN BORDER ... at the same time issue all sorts of dire warnings about terrorists crossing that same border.

    America is not longer OUR COUNTRY, it belongs to the bureaucrats and the "government officials." The role of We The People is simply to pay for their extravagant lifestyles and stay out of their way lest they decide to arrest us.

    I NEVER thought I would live to see the day that I could not hold my head up and proudly say "I AM AN AMERICAN CITIZEN AND THAT MEANS SOMETHING SPECIAL IN A WORLD OF FULL OF DICTATORS AND KLEPTOCRATS."

    Yet that day has actually arrived. For the FIRST time in my life I am ashamed to be an American.

  • CatoTheElder||

    April 19, 1993

  • BigT||

    The shame came later - when they didn't fry that Reno bitch.

  • Rev-Match||

    Worst-first thinking, the authorities say, is the kind of thinking that makes us safe and secure.

    Shoot first, ask questions later. Oh, and don't forget to yell "stop resisting!".

  • Vampire||

    OneOut|9.1.14 @ 12:15PM|#
    "No one is preventing you from hiring your own private defense. People do it very frewuently.

    They're called bodyguards and security guards."

    Your response resembles the: Oh but RoadZ and De fense, and even siDewalkZ!! nonsense.

    Sorry, but individuals are forced to pay for these services against their will. If, due to whatever reason one wished to no longer fund these organizations due to their poor performance, these same agencies will be sent by the state to confiscate one's things, and if there is resistance by the individual they might be killed.

    My income is confiscated by force to reward inefficient agencies, no matter their performance. Where if there were competing businesses, it might take up less of my income to acquire private defense services as competition can help lower costs, and based upon how I individually value certain services, to include weighing my ability to defend myself, which would be taken into account with an individuals plan. The owner of a port and shipping company would expend more to protect their industry. Their rates could be lowered if they chose to arm their ships, etc. Such services would be tailored to the individual/s whether they have a shipping company, down to a home or apartment.

  • gaoxiaen||

    You asked for it again, so...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBHicyqMML4

  • Robert||

    Now you made me go & read the actual story, which even has the album pix of the daughters, 16 & 17 YO at the time in question. And the more I read it, the more sorry I feel for the DHS guy (if he was from DHS) and the more upset at the photographer. The photographer tells his daughters his paranoid interpret'n of what the stranger thought, and that is what embarrassed them. Not only that, but the question he suggested in his article that the stranger ask had the potential to be more embarrassing than the neutral Q he did ask.

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    But that's what Mr. Federal Sex Detective *was* concerned about - he stared at a guy's teenage girls for 15 minutes and thought about sex.

  • Anon E. Mouse||

    Where in the article does it say that he "stared" for 15 minutes? Where in the article does it say he "thought about sex"? The correct answer is "nowhere". A fucking investigator observed some indicators, and he checked it out. That's it.

  • RealityBites||

    Feral fed scum can't be trusted ever, they have a proven mental aberration due to their poor choice of career.

  • Anon E. Mouse||

    Just out of curiosity, what exactly is it you do for a living?

  • Charles X||

    Sorry I don't believe this. Sounds to me like someone is trying to get attention.

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    Why should we listen to a king who couldn't even keep his throne for ten years?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_X_of_France

  • Solomon Grundy||

    Yeah, the suggestion that a real federal agent would immediately disengage upon the guy claiming he was the girls' father is also a bit off. I would assume that's the first thing a sex trafficker would say.

  • RealityBites||

    Prostitution is illegal, you should be in jail.

  • RealityBites||

    What else could be expected from a Feral Psychopathic pig?
    I'm genuinely surprised the feral animal didn't murder the guy.

    Time to stop the Feral fed animals from stealing time and money from those that actually support the country instead of trying to destroy it.

  • Anon E. Mouse||

    Just out of curiosity, how much did you pay in federal income taxes last year? With comments like "I'm genuinely surprised the feral animal didn't murder the guy.", I'm betting the number is less than zero.

  • Vampire||

    Why aren't you doing this if its so great and posting a copy of your W2 (with sensitive personal info masked) for all to see?

  • Solomon Grundy||

    I have serious doubts the guy was really "from the Department of Homeland Security". Why would he identify himself as that rather than from ICE or DEA or one of the other agencies under it that actually have investigatory/arrest powers. Did the dad ask to see a badge?

    Not saying that the dad is making the story up or anything, but it's also likely the dude was just a random busybody (or possibly a perv himself) who invented the DHS identity as a cover.

  • Solomon Grundy||

    It took me a moment to figure out what he meant, but then it hit me: He thought I might be exploiting the girls, taking questionable photos for one of those “Exotic Beauties Want to Meet You!” Web sites or something just as unseemly. When I explained to my daughters what he was talking about, they were understandably confused. I told the man I was their father. He quickly apologized and turned away.

    1. Very odd that it would only take him a moment to come up with that explanation.

    2. He "explained" his suspicions to his daughters while the guy was just standing there?

    3. There's nothing illegal about taking pictures of girls for whatever commercial purposes one desires to do so. Somebody think of the stock photo brokers.

    Basically, the whole story sounds made up.

  • chris3145||

    how long before people wake up and realize this country already has a stasi KGB style police force

  • Libertarian||

    How about never? Is never good for you?

  • AlmightyJB||

    How many DHS agents are there? They seem to be popping up more and more into what would normally be local news stories at best.

  • CE||

    The father was remiss for not throwing him overboard.

  • WireNews+Co||

    The mistake the father made was not telling the man, when he asked the first question, to mind his own business.

  • Big Boy||

    The Department of Homeland Security includes the TSA. The intruder is probably a TSA underwear sniffer hoping you will mistake him for an ICE agent. Small ego behind a shinny badge.

  • ruralcounsel||

    “I work for the Department of Homeland Security. And let me give you some advice: You were standing there taking photos of them hugging for 15 minutes.”

    And he was stupid enough to admit what he does for a living out loud. Public opinion of DHS is something he didn't seem to be aware of. Otherwise, he'd have been afraid to admit it for fear he'd end up over the side.

    Seriously, read that, and tell me why he shouldn't have been beaten and tossed overboard?

  • Reverendcaptain||

    This guy was certainly a buttinsky but nothing like the terror of your story. At least not in the original story by the author. It came across as a sad comment on the times and maybe a little over reaction by the author who admitted that he can't be sure what the right reaction would be in some situations.

    Way to try to blow things way out of proportion. Are you getting tips from buzzfeed these days?

    Reason is more and more abandoning the meaning of the title of your magazine.

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  • OzarkAggie||

    It's all in the eye of the beholder, and prudes have dirty little minds.

  • Invisible Finger||

    When the government is telling Americans that we should be on guard against everyone, everywhere, at all times

    I'm mostly on guard about government employees.

  • Californio||

    Encapsulate all of this in one word: Gleischaltung. Look to the intellegencia's longing for a "chinese-like" system where "things get done.." They will tell you "Of course, every effective social order needs a vanguard, the best to lead and tell the lowers what to do". And the self-proclaimed "elites" in capital city are eager to assume the role of despot. Look for key phrases - "Everyone knows ....[insert opinion here]." See how opinion is cast as fact, deviation from the herd is then cast at.....deviant.

  • Beowulf||

    This was a stupid article. Some guy thought something looked weird and he politely checked. He wasn't a dick and he didn't do anything wrong. Unfortunately, while i am sympathetic to Lenore's general point of view, i think this piece is not inconsistent with a lot of her articles on reason. When you cry wolf repeatedly, you destroy your credibility, and a lot of this stuff is more hypersensitivity than legitimate concerns...

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