Bovino Put Out To Pasture

Plus: Vance gets Kamala'd, positioning aircraft carriers near Iran, and more...

Unwinding the damage: "I am sending [border czar] Tom Homan to Minnesota tonight," said President Donald Trump yesterday. "He has not been involved in that area, but knows and likes many of the people there. Tom is tough but fair, and will report directly to me."

("Separately, a major investigation is going on with respect to the massive 20 Billion Dollar, Plus, Welfare Fraud that has taken place in Minnesota, and is at least partially responsible for the violent organized protests going on in the streets," he continued. Good! Welfare fraud in Minnesota needs to be investigated and stamped out.)

Greg Bovino was removed from his post as the guy in charge of the immigration enforcement campaign in Minnesota and the public face of the operation. Some of his agents will go with him. Word has circulated that Bovino plans to retire soon. (Translation: He is being put out to pasture.)

Saving face: "Mr. Bovino is a wonderful man and he's a great professional," White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said, rather diplomatically. "He is going to very much continue to lead Customs and Border Patrol [sic] throughout and across the country. Mr. Homan will be the main point of contact on the ground in Minneapolis."

Wow. Per @priscialva, DHS has suspended Gregory Bovino's access to his social media accounts effective immediately. He spent yesterday responding to people who were criticizing him and raising questions about his unverified claims about Pretti.

— Kaitlan Collins (@kaitlancollins) January 27, 2026

But the GOP backlash has been mounting, with the killing of 37-year-old ICU nurse Alex Pretti by federal law enforcement serving as a galvanizing moment. "Officials who rush to judgment before all the facts are known undermine public trust and the law-enforcement mission," said Sen. John Curtis (R–Utah) on X. "I disagree with Secretary Noem's premature DHS response, which came before all the facts were known and weakened confidence. I will be working with a bipartisan group of senators to demand real oversight and transparency, including supporting calls from @RandPaul for leaders of these operations to testify, so trust can be restored and justice served."

"[Trump] is a dealmaker, and he's getting bad advice right now," was how Oklahoma's Gov. Kevin Stitt framed it, on CNN. Maximally conciliatory.

"If I were President Trump, I would almost think about, OK, if the mayor and the governor are going to put our ICE officials in harm's way and there's a chance of losing more, you know, innocent lives or whatever, then maybe go to another city and let the people of Minneapolis decide, 'Do we want to continue to have all of these illegals?'" asked Rep. James Comer (R–Ky.) on Fox. Immigration officials might be "better received" elsewhere.

Republicans know that Trump is highly sensitive to falling public opinion. They know he always needs a fall guy. The strategy seems pretty clear: Give him space to walk back the campaign, give him outs. Trump doesn't worry about seeming inconsistent; he worries about people disliking him.

Of course, there was never a way to do soft and gentle immigration enforcement. But I think many Republicans—both voters and legislators—expected more proceduralism, less of a show.

It's impressive that immigration enforcement in Minnesota managed to go so poorly that even Republican allies of Trump feel it's worth it to speak out. "Immigration, broadly, as one veteran senator granted anonymity to speak candidly told me over the weekend, is for the GOP what health care is for Democrats—a 'home game,'" reports Politico's Jonathan Martin. "Yet with viral images of Americans being shot in broad daylight replacing migrants stampeding across the country's border, that advantage is quickly dissipating."

Or, to put a finer point on it:

They're gonna take Kristi Noem out back only for her to see a dog holding a shotgun https://t.co/ZVTK9lx48H

— Armand Domalewski (@ArmandDoma) January 27, 2026

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Scenes from New York: My baby son, Solomon, was operated on yesterday. It went well. Many readers reached out, and some of you even took the time to pray for us. I just wanted to say thank you, you have no idea how much it means to me. I'll go back on maternity leave soon to give him my full attention as he recovers and possibly moves toward being released from the NICU.

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QUICK HITS

• J.D. Vance is getting Kamala'd:

JD you're getting Kamala'd right now, becoming the face of a toxic policy.

— Zaid Jilani (@ZaidJilani) January 25, 2026

• "The aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln and its accompanying warships have entered the Middle East, U.S. officials said, giving President Trump additional offensive and defensive capabilities should he choose to move forward with an attack on Iran," reports The Wall Street Journal. "Though Trump has indicated that he is still deciding on military action, the ships' arrival comes amid a significant buildup of combat power in the region….'We have a big force going toward Iran. I'd rather not see anything happen, but we're watching them very closely,' Trump said Thursday."
• Inside possible coercion cases in Canada's assisted suicide program. My pro-lifery is showing, but I have a very hard time trusting the state to be good arbiters of who qualifies to make decisions to live or die. They have their own incentives, don't they?
• Israel has received the very last body of the hostages taken by Hamas on October 7, 2023. The corpse of Ran Gvili, a 24-year-old special forces policeman, was finally brought back to his family. "The return of Gvili's remains is expected to mark the end of the first phase of the U.S.-backed ceasefire in the war in Gaza," notes NPR. "It could also pave the way for another big step. The Israeli government said it would allow Gaza's border crossing with Egypt to reopen again for Palestinians to enter and exit."
• Curious about how the NRA will position itself in the wake of the Alex Pretti shooting:

This sentiment from the First Assistant U.S. Attorney for the Central District of California is dangerous and wrong.

Responsible public voices should be awaiting a full investigation, not making generalizations and demonizing law-abiding citizens. https://t.co/9fMz3CL29o

— NRA (@NRA) January 25, 2026

• More skewering of the terrible tweet:

Carrying a firearm is not a death sentence, it's a Constitutionally protected God-given right, and if you don't understand this you have no business in law enforcement or government. https://t.co/pWPNo9dmLO

— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) January 25, 2026

• Huge:

Ye, fka Kanye West, takes out a full-page in the Wall Street Journal to apologize to the Black community, and for antisemitism:

"I lost touch with reality" pic.twitter.com/Po8s4gNz5P

— philip lewis (@Phil_Lewis_) January 26, 2026

Comments

[Fist of Etiquette]

Bovino Put Out To Pasture

Oh, Elizabeth.

[Fist of Etiquette]

My baby son, Solomon, was operated on yesterday. It went well.

NEVER HAD ANY DOUBT.

[Quicktown Brix]

Great news!

[Idaho-Bob]

Very good news!

[Bubba Jones]

I too am praying for Solomon, but it is a bit too "on brand" for a libertarian media company to keep her working on the day her baby is getting surgery.

Being libertarian doesn't *require* being callous assholes.

I am aware that some people use work as an outlet when they are feeling overwhelmed and helpless. There isn't much for a parent to *do* while their baby is in the NICU and is too sick to be held.

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

Im just happy you didnt make a Solomon split the baby joke.

[mad.casual]

Of course, antisemitic commentators gotta anti-Semite.

Of the 110% Liz gives, we aren't owed even 10%.

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

Who is anti semetic?

[Use the Schwartz]

Sending good vibes, Liz.

[Horatio Cornblower]

Very glad to hear the good news.

[InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)]

Good news. 🙂

[chemjeff radical individualist]

Best of wishes for Solomon and the whole family.

[Eeyore]

For a second there, I thought this was about the failure of another brand of lab grown meat. Bovino is a great brand name for fake beef.

[Quicktown Brix]

Good call

[SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad]

But no grazing jokes?

[Fist of Etiquette]

I am sending [border czar] Tom Homan to Minnesota tonight...

He'll make sure no one crosses state lines.

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

But why is CBP in a border state?? - Autumn

[Idaho-Bob]

That was ridiculous. I see CBP trucks in CDA, Idaho. Fairly often and for years.

[mad.casual]

And, again, back in the day, Reason was "Why do we have CBP 100 mi. inland (when they should be at the border)?" but, really, they were trailing and leaving off the parenthetical because they were fanatical lunatics.

[SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad]

They even cross through Spokane.

[Stupid Government Tricks]

"Officials who rush to judgment before all the facts are known undermine public trust and the law-enforcement mission," said Sen. John Curtis (R–Utah) on X.

Seems like Sen. John Curtis is also rushing to judgment.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Welfare fraud in Minnesota needs to be investigated and stamped out.

Hear! Hear! And it should be investigated without regard to the skin color of the Somalian perpetrating it.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

But I thought we are allowed to persecute pale-faced African Americans.

[Fist of Etiquette]

...maybe go to another city and let the people of Minneapolis decide, 'Do we want to continue to have all of these illegals?'"

Check that man's bank account for daycare money.

[MasterThief]

A dumb stance. "Political partisans are getting excessively insurrectiony and terroristic so we need to stop enforcing the law."
No, it doesn't mean that the federal government needs to back off. It means the MN government needs to stop permitting and encouraging lawlessness.

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

If Minnesota cut themselves off the federal tit, id be fine with it. As long as they control their state borders to keep the illegals there.

Since illegals are all profit, they should be fine.

[mad.casual]

[tilts hand]

If I wanted to live near Somalia, I'd move to the HOA. If you can't even take care of your own children without massive corruption, I'm dubious about the rigorous enforcement of other imaginary social constructs.

[But SkyNet is a Private Company]

Let the people of South Carolina decide - do we want to have all these slaves?

Let the people of the University of Alabama decide - do we want to have all these black students?

Let the citizens of CHOP/CHAZ decide - do we want to have all this autonomy?

[Idaho-Bob]

Let the guy in Bonner County Idaho decide - Do I want to manufacture MG's, suppressors, SBR's, etc?

[Quicktown Brix]

Yes.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

My state's rights are speech; your state's (claimed) rights are fascist MAGA patriarchal Nazi racist oppression.

[mad.casual]

Borders are just imaginary social constructs until I don't want you here.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Yet with viral images of Americans being shot in broad daylight replacing migrants stampeding across the country's border, that advantage is quickly dissipating.

And you guys thought corporate media had lost its foothold.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

"Separately, a major investigation is going on with respect to the massive 20 Billion Dollar, Plus, Welfare Fraud that has taken place in Minnesota, and is at least partially responsible for the violent organized protests going on in the streets"

What? Does anyone else know about this?

[Mickey Rat]

So we are suggesting that the violent organized protests are in, at least part, support of continuing massive welfare fraud?

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Maybe. But we definitely are suggesting that creating a media storm about immigration enforcement has memory-holed the welfare scam story.

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

Apparently the call with Waltz changed the strategy of MPD. As they were allowed to be deployed to stop leftist riots.

https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/2016021103295017276

Maybe trump mentioned to Waltz that his cabinet was involved with the organized insurrection?

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/minneapolis-signal-gate-alleged-anti-ice-low-level-insurgency-command-exposed-messaging

Meanwhile leftist coworkers of Pretti show their true empathy by begging for money to be sent to them.

https://x.com/MaxNordau/status/2015682301460459659

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

Meanwhile we keep seeing leftist retards here claim trump and ICE enforcement is the issue when violence isnt happening in over 40 states. Claiming trump is targeting blue areas, see sarc the retard. Reality...

Kevin Bass
@kevinnbass
23% of all ICE arrests occur in Texas

2.2% occur in Minnesota

A 10-fold difference

Yet far more ICE-related violence is happening in Minnesota

Why? Because Democrats are promoting and provoking violence in Minnesota

Democrats do not hate violence

Violence is their goal

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

O'Keefe is being threatened by these peaceful legal observers for the act of reporting.

James O'Keefe
@JamesOKeefeIII
URGENT UPDATE: I’ve never experienced anything quite like today in my life. I’ve interacted with the Cartel and have witnessed some crazy things in the desert in ‘24. But what strikes me is how organized these agitators in Minneapolis are. They have spotters everywhere in the city and suburbs, on street corners, even 30 minutes away from downtown. They have people at hotels that work with them and signal to them which made it making it difficult for us to lose our tail once my cover was blown. Usually I lose a tail. Not this time. We switched locations THREE times. I recorded and posted this while leaving Wayzata, while they were STILL surveilling. We all agreed we must make the threats public ASAP, even if we had people still in the field with the hidden cams.

Earlier around noon, while
@camhigby
released his report on the Signal threads, I was inside what appeared to be a fully autonomous Zone. No police presence. The police were told to leave. I identified myself as Press and they said they will kill Press and will not let me leave. My skin was fully covered because it was so cold. But because they couldn’t verify who I was, they screamed and started throwing ice bottles at us. One hit,
@SKRUCHTENMMA
, a marine who was with me. They patted him down like THEY were the authorities, attempting to confiscate any weapons. They were set to destroy our vehicle before we even got to it. I will have a full video report shortly.

But the bigger picture here is more important. I am angry. But not at the agitators. I find myself already angry at the people who don’t understand what we’re dealing with and will do nothing about it. When I got to the suburbs I felt like I was in a simulation.

I believe the American people need to wake up. This moment is a warning about where we’re headed. Fear pushes people to care only about their money and their families—I get it. But when fear turns inward, when self-preservation and greed replace moral courage, evil goes unchallenged. And history shows that what we ignore today will come for all of us tomorrow.

Ironically and incredibly, I see that these Communists do not fear death in the same way most good people seem to. The only thing the Communists fear is exposure itself. And that’s good news because it may be our only option.

I’m dead serious about investigating the prosecutors themselves if they don’t hold these Minnesota fraudsters and violent mobsters accountable for what they’re doing. Stay tuned for the videos.

[Mickey Rat]

O'Keefe is not a legitimate reporter to the "press freedom" crowd as he tends to embarrass progressives.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

"Death to Kulaks!"

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

But to lighten the mood, highly intelligent awful tries picking up flashbang to throw back. Hilarity ensues.

https://x.com/KimKatieUSA/status/2015801256795885712

[Minadin]

LARPers.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Needz more blood.

[Murray Rothtard]

wow. thank you so much. she's in so much pain and i'm such a sick fuck that watching it brings me joy. thanks for spreading the good feels to all us subhuman scum.

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

Did you cry for your retarded ally doing something dumb?

Always amuses me watching the least charitable retards on the planet use empathy as a weapon when you've shown none.

Everything is a weapon to you retards.

Just yesterday you were angry about DHS detaining a citizen harboring 2 illegal pedophiles. Where's your empathy for the children?

[Idaho-Bob]

Crying "MEDIC!" is more evidence that this an organized event, complete with trained medical services. She's an enemy combatant. Nothing more.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Sure. The self-induced pain of a cosplay retard means we have to defund all law enforcement, right?

[Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment]

No, you're a Retard, Retard. Fuck off and die.

[mad.casual]

she's in so much pain and i'm such a sick fuck that watching it brings me joy.

So, if picking up a live grenade would've brought about whatever end to immigration action you desire, would you encourage them to do so?

Most of the rest of us have seen America's Funniest Home Videos, Jackass, Ridiculousness, Professional Soccer, etc. and objectively recognize that when you play "Let's Make A Deal" sometimes people win goats.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Come on, man. Most women and Democrats don't get cave man humor. Or really any humor.

[InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)]

I’m having trouble telling if you’re a sadist or a masochist. Could you please clarify?

[Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)]

The deal
1. MN looses all federal funding
2. No non profits in MN Wil be recognized. All entities in MN will be switched to for profit, including universities and churches.

[Eeyore]

Better deal.
1. We end all federal funding of all of the programs in question entirely

[Fist of Etiquette]

We have a big force going toward Iran. I'd rather not see anything happen, but we're watching them very closely...

So we're not doing Greenland now?

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

The war ended. It was a terrible war.

[InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)]

All 30 seconds of it.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Did we all die again?

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

At least twice.

[Spiritus Mundi]

I got better.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Shut up and get on the cart.

[Fist of Etiquette]

JD you're getting Kamala'd right now, becoming the face of a toxic policy.

Well let's hope Vance can string a few non-nonsensical sentences together to get himself out of that.

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

If JD wont do what democrats want, they will shame him good.

[Spiritus Mundi]

Odd response from Reeeeason that it has been discovered local government officals have been organizing the obstruction of ICE via Signal chat groups.

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

But the media isnt reporting on it, so let the democrats win. Welcome to reason. Where narratives are valued over the truth.

[mad.casual]

Yeah, one rather cogent post isn't quite the same as stepping up to babble drunken nonsense on behalf of a dementia-addled nonsense-babbling administration.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

' the killing of 37-year-old ICU nurse Alex Pretti by federal law enforcement'

For fucks sake. Liz, please stop the dramatized reporting bullshit. Why does it matter what Pretti did for a living? Do you really personally feel more sad because he was a noble nurse, and not just a regular HVAC repairman?

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

Did you see MSNow is even photoshopping his picture to make him look better? The reverse Rogan.

[Ajsloss]

#MarylandDad

[Sometimes a Great Notion]

For fucks sakes EHS, stop the reductionism of HVAC Repairman. There is nothing "just a" or "regular" about a tradesman.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Most of my male relatives are/were in the trades. And most of them (and I) think of people in the trades as "regular". That is a complement, not an insult.

[Spiritus Mundi]

Never going to see "nursing student Laken Riley burtually raped and murdered by illegal immigrant" here at Reeeason.

[HorseConch]

Or "nursing student Laken Riley brutally raped and murdered by illegal immigrant who was arrested and released multiple times by sanctuary state and/or city of NY" here at Reeeeeeason.

[Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment]

"...The death of a heavily armed man interfering with an arrest..."

Fixed

[Eeyore]

After COVID I have to ask myself if a nurse or doctor is one of the evil ones who supported vaccine passports and all that other nonsense - in which case it's ok with me if they die. Tainted profession. I have yet to meet an HVAC professional I had these same thoughts about.

[windycityattorney]

Put your money where your mouth is Eeyore and promise to never go see a doctor or nurse again. They are tainted and deserve to die, after all.

No exceptions.

Perhaps your plumber can help if you ever need to clear a clogged artery.

[mad.casual]

But if there aren't any COVID Tiktok dancing videos, how else are you going to know that he was a hero?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Inside possible coercion cases in Canada's assisted suicide program.

Look, the true north, strong and free, cannot survive a bunch of burdens to the state.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

No worries. China will soon take care of that, eh?

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

'Of course, there was never a way to do soft and gentle immigration enforcement. But I think many Republicans—both voters and legislators—expected more proceduralism, less of a show.'

Sure. Are these Republicans the same ones who have consistently rolled over when progressives Resisted! on every issue for the past 30 years? Maybe some people finally realized that (1) it takes a degree of energetic confrontation to succeed and (2) the progressives actually seek public confrontation as a tactic.

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

Poor Damon and sullum as 8th circuit removes injunction against DHS.

We accessed and viewed the same videos the district court did. What they show is observers and protestors engaging in a wide range of conduct, some of it peaceful but much of it not. They also show federal agents responding in various ways. Even the named plaintiffs’ claims involve different conduct, by different officers, at different times, in different places, in response to different behavior. These differences mean that there are no “questions of law or fact common to the class,” that would allow the court to decide all their claims in “one stroke.”

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mnd.229758/gov.uscourts.mnd.229758.113.0_2.pdf

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

Cam Higby follows up his infiltration of the ice watch signal group showing leftists fleeing like cockroaches after exposure. Rushing to get out of the state and country. One responding "we are so fucked."

https://x.com/camhigby/status/2015562523819295067

[Spiritus Mundi]

They are not fucked. Nothing is going to happen to them.

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

So youre saying we are the ones who will be fucked... damnit. Fair though.

[Spiritus Mundi]

*continued to be fucked.

Us metaphorically. A bunch of women and children literally as we can no longer deport illegal rapists because that would be facism or something.

[InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)]

Andy Ngo also has a report about getting inside their Signal chat. He’s numero uno on Antifa’s hit list.

https://www.ngocomment.com/p/i-got-inside-the-signal-chats-used

In recent weeks, numerous Antifa-linked revolutionary anarchist collectives have promoted organizing guides that explicitly instruct extremists on how to carry out obstructionist campaigns. These materials consistently recommend the encrypted messaging app Signal as the primary tool for coordination. Alex Pretti and Renee Good, two militant leftist activists shot dead this month, may have been part of these groups.

What are militants saying to one another inside these chats?

The prevailing mood inside these groups is one of distrust and paranoia. Public scrutiny, particularly from users on X, has focused increasing attention on the role these Signal chats play in coordinating obstructionist conspiracies. Nearly all users operate under aliases. Administrators are actively purging participants they suspect to be “right-wingers” or federal agents. Auto-deleting messages are enabled by default to destroy evidence.

“Right wingers are trying to get into many chats right now,” warned an administrator using the moniker “Moss.” “Never put anything in Signal you would not want read back in court. No Signal group can fully protect you from unfriendly eyes.”

“Under this admin, anything could be illegal,” warned one member. Another responded: “It’s like when my parents divorced.”

Soon after, users accused one group of being fully compromised and urged members to delete the chat entirely.

My time inside these chats was limited, but it offered insight into the internal dynamics of these groups. Participants are deeply paranoid right now and increasingly fractured. Many are retreating into smaller, supposedly vetted cells — classic behavior consistent with clandestine, criminal organizing.

Signal is only one of many platforms in use. These networks are also highly active on Reddit, Bluesky, and Instagram. Dozens of groups are coordinating efforts aimed at intimidating the U.S. government into halting deportations. The ACLU and the National Lawyers Guild are functioning as the legal arm of these leftist militants.

Other actors involved include a web of nonprofits, unions, legal aid organizations, mutual aid groups, riot suppliers, Latino open-border organizations, anarchist street-defense groups, and socialist political organizations (including DSA), such as:

Defend the 612 (Defend612); Monarca Rapid Response Network; COPAL (Comunidades Organizando el Poder y la Acción Latina); Unidos MN; Minnesota Immigrant Rights Action Committee (MIRAC); Immigrant Defense Network (IDN); TakeAction Minnesota; Immigrant Law Center of Minnesota (ILCM); ACLU of Minnesota; Minnesota Interfaith Coalition on Immigration (ICOM); ISAIAH MN; MN ICE Watch; Richfield MN Rapid Response Network (also known as Richfield Community Safety Network); Twin Cities Coalition 4 Justice; Minnesota 50501; MN Anti-War Committee; Twin Cities DSA; Freedom Street Health; FRSO Twin Cities; MFE59 – Minneapolis Federation of Educators; Veterans for Peace.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

But what about membership cards?

[Super Scary]

"Another responded: “It’s like when my parents divorced.”"

Come on now, these people have GOT to be trolling.

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

Starmer forced to pull bill that would hand control of an island with a US base to china.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/humiliating-retreat-starmer-forced-pull-chagos-bill-after-trump-backlash

[Minadin]

Why was the UK considering giving the islands over to Mauritius in the first place?

[Mickey Rat]

Nobody really knows.

[Mickey Rat]

The bill would have not only granted Mauritius sovereignty over the island, but the UK would have paid so much money to Mauritius to do so, that the Mauritius government was contemplating lowering their domestic taxes. Apparently, this had been pushed by a foreign born British civil servant from New Delhi.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Israel has received the very last body of the hostages taken by Hamas on October 7, 2023.

And people thought Trump didn't earn that broad's Nobel.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

'Carrying a firearm is not a death sentence, it's a Constitutionally protected God-given right, and if you don't understand this you have no business in law enforcement or government.'

Uh, sure. And carrying a jug of gasoline into a burning building is also a natural right.

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

As long as you dont shout fire.

[mad.casual]

Yeah, it's kinda sad when even Massie is getting flamboyantly incoherent and generally dodging issues of free choice and individual agency.

Probably Trump's fault.

[Sometimes a Great Notion]

My baby son, Solomon, was operated on yesterday. It went well.

May he have a speedy recovery.

[Fist of Etiquette]

If you approach law enforcement with a gun, there is a high likelihood they will be legally justified in shooting you.

He ain't wrong. Second Amendment protections, my ass.

[Bubba Jones]

We can split hairs and say "legally protected from any consequences" as opposed to "justified."

Potato, Tomato.

[Fist of Etiquette]

I admit that I generally hate the feds, but I do also want immigration laws enforced and hate useful idiot protesters just as much. Outside of this particular shooting, which was a clear fuckup regardless of how understandably chaotic the scene, my problem is that law enforcement IN GENERAL needs to make peace with the fact that the right to armed self defense is God given and protected in the United States by the supreme law of the land.

The uncomfortable truth for anyone who currently support our federal institutions is that the Second Amendment is there to make those federal institutions less comfortable with the heavy hand. At some point each of us has to decide how much liberty we're willing to cede because we support the work the feds are doing today.

I know this sounds like I'm excusing the nurse whose name I can't be bothered to remember, but I'm not. The dude had agency and stepped into the fray willingly. Just because I don't like him or his cause, I can still want feds to get used to an armed population and to take their use of deadly force a little more seriously. Nothing is more important to liberty than our absolute right to bear arms. But what do I know.

[HorseConch]

I agree with this take, but I would never do what he did because I know the consequences are almost certainly negative. I choose not to risk martyrdom.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

I admit that I generally hate the feds, but I do also want immigration laws enforced and hate useful idiot protesters just as much.

This is something that I have difficulty understanding. How could you hate both groups "just as much"? The feds are the ones who wield actual power. They are the ones who have the legal authority to throw you in jail and tax and regulate you to oblivion. No protestor has the LEGAL authority to do any of that. Many protesters may advocate for horrible or awful things, but they have no power on their own to enact any of those things. Only the government can.

[Social Justice is neither]

2A is not a bullet shield. When you start fighting officers and reaching for where your gun is supposed to be you might just have Darwined yourself.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

But your comrades will make you a martyr for the Holy Crusade!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Carrying a firearm is not a death sentence, it's a Constitutionally protected God-given right, and if you don't understand this you have no business in law enforcement or government.

I think I'll take advice from someone who didn't irresponsibly lose all his guns in a boating accident, thank you.

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

Watching reason glam on to the same retarded talking point as every anti gun democrat yesterday was sickening.

The carry wasnt the issue. The resisting arrest while doing so was.

[Murray Rothtard]

dude... JD Vance, Bovino, and Noem MADE carrying the issue. Of course people are going to respond.

The goal posts moved once the NRA was like "what the fuck??" and now you guys are pretending democrats started it. hilarious.

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

Who here quoted those 3 retard? Notice none of us did.

Are you truly that retarded?

This just proves my point above. You see this as a game of narratives instead of a game for truth. Youre a brain dead leftist.

[Murray Rothtard]

Cool. I am glad that everyone on here seems to agree that Noem, Patel, Bovino, and Bessent were being total retards when they tried to make carrying a gun the issue.

Sorry for including you in the list. It's nice to know you don't agree with them.

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

You didnt answer the question.

Can't think past talking points you read on reddit?

[SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad]

You’re just kind of dumb, aren’t you?

[Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment]

Retard trying to make sense. And failing.
Fuck off and die, Asswipe Retard.

[Mike Parsons]

"The carry wasnt the issue. "

I will say, a disturbing amount of bumbling interviews from admins on this issue made carrying the issue.

Kash Patel and Bessent in interviews specifically state that carrying alone at a protest is inappropriate.

Noem and Bovino portrayed him as "having intent for mass casualty", and if carrying with one extra mag qualifies as that, then literally every person I know who carries is guilty.

I still think he's an idiot for planning to go to a place where scuffles with LEOs are happening, while carrying, wouldn't do it myself. Or resist arrest. Both idiotic. But the admins comments are grossly anti 2A

[Ron]

I wouldn't say grossly anti 2a I think they are just uninformed about each states laws. Example in California it is illegal to carry to a protest. I disagree with this infringing law but if you have a CCW then you have to abide by the laws of that state. In Petti's case he purposely left his ID at home, no one does that without intent, however if he had real intent for terrorism he would of had more than just 2 magazines on him. the whole thing is a complicated mess that yes Administration spoke to soon about.

[mad.casual]

then literally every person I know who carries is guilty

Are you perpetrating the same or a similar hyperbole as they do here or do you just not know very many people who concealed-carry?

I know lots of people who carry knives. Somebody carrying more knives than they have hands isn't planning on simply using the knives to defend themselves.

It would be one thing if he were an LEO in a gritty part of LA or Chicago or Baltimore or whatever, paid to enforce peace at high or all costs, but he's a nurse.

And regardless of what you *feel* about the 2A, facts on the ground are, if having a Punisher Skull on your weapon can be rightly considered as a sign of intent by a jury, 60+ rounds can be also. Again, many pro-2A people would prefer that it be "Alec Baldwin pointed the gun at someone and pulled the trigger killing them and the person behind them. Case closed.", but it's not.

Kyle Rittenhouse carried 30 and used 8. Eli Dicken had 20 and fired 10. Loughner had 66. Lanza had 300. Recognizing a distinction is not irrational. At some point you, objectively, pass from the question of defense of self and others and into the question of armed insurrection (or plain mass murder) or defense against tyranny, which reasonable people can rightly question. Your 2A right, rather specifically, doesn't extend to preventing them from speaking on it (separate from litigation) or rationalizing it one way or the other.

SSDD - Anyone picking up a gun to defend themselves, others, or their community and country against *tyranny* should know this. It's likely Pretti knew and believed it and pretending he just accidentally carried 60+ rounds to a protest inherently speaks against his agency.

[HorseConch]

They may be wrong to call it inappropriate, but as a lifelong gun owner, it's still fucking stupid.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Ye, fka Kanye West, takes out a full-page in the Wall Street Journal to apologize to the Black community, and for antisemitism...

WHO LET THE PR PEOPLE GET TO HIM?

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

The jews?

[Mike Parsons]

got the call!

[Longtobefree]

" . . . and there's a chance of losing more, you know, innocent lives or whatever . . . "

I counted three federal felonies committed before the shooting.
Not an innocent life.

[Mike Parsons]

"Kanye West, takes out a full-page in the Wall Street Journal to apologize to the Black community, and for antisemitism: "

I see he's out of the manic episode and on meds again, and looked at his bank account

[Marshal]

"Officials who rush to judgment before all the facts are known undermine public trust and the law-enforcement mission," said Sen. John Curtis (R–Utah) on X. "I disagree with Secretary Noem's premature DHS response, which came before all the facts were known and weakened confidence.

I thought this might lead to criticizing Dem officials who called it an execution before they knew all the facts, but of course no one holds Dems to the same standards they apply to Reps. This is because instinctively we all know Dems are liars and propagandists and expecting them to meet any standard at all is futile. Meanwhile as the only adults in the room Reps are hyper-criticized for any deviation from perfection.

[Mike Parsons]

"Canada's assisted suicide program...make decisions to live or die. They have their own incentives, don't they?"

They have literally the worst incentive: they are caring for a person who potentially is of the highest cost to the universal health care they offer, and is going to be an ongoing high cost for the remainder of their life, and all of that goes away the second you off them. MAID makes universal health care a heck of a lot more doable.

[Mickey Rat]

They actually do seem to think that government loves them as an individual and would not make a badly motivated decision about anyone's welfare if it was in charge of health care.

[Eeyore]

Due process becomes a closed door meeting between two psychopaths with medical licenses. Someone on death row has more rights.

[Super Scary]

"with the killing of 37-year-old ICU nurse Alex Pretti "

How come you guys aren't giving Pretti the lauded "legal observer" title? Does "ICU nurse" rank higher in the lefty social hierarchy or something? I need a flow chart.

[Spiritus Mundi]

With the left is is a ladder. Charts are white supremacy.

[HorseConch]

How about Venn Diagrams?

[Moderation4ever]

Best wishes for Solomon and your family. I hope his surgery and treatment are successful, he has a full recovery and a great life.

[Moderation4ever]

It is too bad that the Trump administration had to kill two people to learn their lesson in Minneapolis. The murder of Renee Good should have been enough for a pull back and reflection. A lot of Republican are speaking out now when they should have been speaking out after Renee Good was killed.

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

Parody.

Far more have been killed and raped for your open borders demands. Yet you haven't changed your own position. Why?

[Spiritus Mundi]

How many people did the targets of the ICE raids murder? Why no tears for their victims?

[Super Scary]

You'll be disappointed to learn that ICE is still in Minneapolis and now the local PD is actually helping them.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Mod4: "Law enforcement bad, mkay?"

[Moderation4ever]

To Representative James Comer, yes, those we want those immigrants, document and undocumented, that are working hard, paying taxes, and contribute to our community. The promise was to get the worst of the worst. Not the children, not the college students, not the preschool teachers, and not all the other just keeping their heads down and minding their business.

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

Seeing as over 40% of illegal families are on some form of welfare, I see you support deporting at least half of them. Right?

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Who the fuck is "we"?

Many of the "we" who voted for Trump expect him to undo 10 million illegal immigrants. Period.

If you don't like that, move to all the other countries who allow unlimited immigration. Oh, wait...

[chemjeff radical individualist]

And many of the people who voted for Obama in 2008 expected "free health care". They didn't get that either.

The math is simply not there, and we have seen that the heavy-handed tactics just don't work to accomplish their goal.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

But is Ye still confused about fish sticks?

[InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)]

“Yo, that is messed up, yo. I am not gay, and I sure as hell ain't no fish, all right?!”

[Get To Da Chippah]

Good luck to little Solomon, Liz.

[Mickey Rat]

Poking a bear with a sharp stick is not a death sentence. Performing gymnastics on the parapet of a skyscraper without safety equipment is not a death sentence. Going to protest law enforcement operations intending to physically interfere with the LEOs carrying out their duties while armed is stupidly reckless behavior that has many likely bad endings for you. You should be giving all those situations a wide berth.

This "didn't do nuttin'" narrative is really tired and dishonest.

[Eeyore]

Poking a black bear - you might get away with. Poking a grizzly? I'm betting on the bear.

[InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)]

The only question is, which trunk does the bear pop out of?

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Hey, man, Pretti not only "didn't do nuttin'", he was like a holy warrior and super-duper angelic savior and champion of (D)emocracy!, plus a totes innocent bystander.

[Eeyore]

Why doesn't anyone empathize with the emotional abuse ICE agents have undergone for weeks and months in a row? Like an abused spouse who finally snaps and finally kills her husband.

[mad.casual]

The video of the ICE agent bleeding while shouting "Where is the local law enforcement?" and then restraining himself from answering while the *gaggle* of reporters shout back (e.g.) "What is your message to the Mayor?" at him was mind-boggling.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

yes, why doesn't someone think of the poor, poor thugs being treated poorly for their thuggery

[Bill Godshall]

Liz Wolfe should have been put out to pasture long ago, as her daily anti Trump tirades got old after her first week on the job.

Seems like Reason's goal (ever since Trump announced his presidential bid in 2016) has been to anger and upset its libertarian readers in order to obtain more $$$$$$$ from Koch.

[SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad]

KMW cares about Kochbucks, not journalism or libertarianism.

[MWAocdoc]

"Good! Welfare fraud in Minnesota needs to be investigated and stamped out"

No, what needs to be stamped out, in Minnesota and everywhere else, is WELFARE. The fraud is inseparable from the government largesse. One might even conclude that the fraud is the goal of government largesse. Wealth transfers are, almost by definition, payoffs in political contexts. "If you vote for me, I will take money from these other guys and give it to you!"

[Spiritus Mundi]

Inside possible coercion cases in Canada's assisted suicide program.

It is ok for governments to kill patients, not nurses.

[I, Woodchipper]

let the people of Minneapolis decide, 'Do we want to continue to have all of these illegals?'" asked Rep. James Comer (R–Ky.) on Fox.

No. Jesus christ you idiot.

The whole POINT of importing all those illegals into Minneapolis was to stack the deck for Dems against the american people. You have to send them all back.