Where Have the 'Don't Tread on Me' Republicans Gone?
Many conservatives are embracing big government, from police-state immigration tactics to socialist economic policies.
Based on the troubling goings-on in Minneapolis, it's hard to describe former GOP Rep. Justin Amash's post on X as hyperbolic: "They're building a police state right before our eyes—which will ultimately be deployed against conservative Christians and gun owners and those who refuse the jab—and a lot of 'Republicans' with Gadsden flags in their bios are like, 'Yeah, FAFO!'"
There's no hope for anyone cheering, but "responsible" conservatives have a rationale for defending these actions: It's better than having Democrats in charge. Had, say, Kamala Harris won the presidency, she would have imposed socialistic policies, they say. That's probably true, but have you noticed the latest policy plans from Donald Trump? His economic proposals echo the Democratic platform.
As part of an affordability agenda designed to mitigate ongoing inflation caused in part by his own tariff policies, Trump has announced a few initiatives.
First, he plans to cap interest rates on credit cards at 10 percent. The president recently called U.S. Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts, a progressive Democratic rabble-rouser, to hash out this idea.
Second, he said he's "immediately taking steps to ban large institutional investors from buying more single-family homes…People live in homes, not corporations." This is similar to an idea pushed by Gov. Gavin Newsom, although the Trump plan—a total ban—goes even further than what California's progressive Democrats have been proposing.
Third, he's embraced various policies that let the federal government interfere with the governance of private companies. He has proposed a cap on compensation for CEOs of defense contractors. He has called for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which are government-sponsored enterprises, to buy $200 billion in mortgage bonds from the private market to potentially lower mortgage rates. He has muscled private companies such as Intel to sell portions of their companies to the government. This gives the president and the feds power to dictate corporate policy—a longstanding goal of democratic socialists.
Fourth, the president is expanding handouts to individual Americans. He's proposed $2,000 tariff-dividend checks, which is reminiscent of Joe Biden's COVID-related stimulus checks. He announced a $12 billion bailout of farmers to mitigate his tariff policies. Tariffs are particularly pernicious tax hikes and are now the cornerstone of Republican economic policy. Tariffs, by the way, have traditionally been championed by labor-union Democrats.
These are the types of easy-button leftist solutions that always make matters worse because they interfere with the workings of the free market. Markets direct goods and services and set prices that reflect supply and demand. When the government meddles, via regulation, taxation, government ownership, and "industrial policy," companies make decisions based on political preferences. It slows economic growth, stifles innovation, and rewards firms that serve the king rather than the consumer.
Specifically, capping credit card rates will mean that companies can no longer base interest charges on the risks they face from borrowers. They are a price control and such controls (think rent control or gas price caps) will, as the Cato Institute notes, lead to shortages and suffering. With 10 percent caps, credit card companies will only issue cards to people with stellar credit. Most of those people simply use the cards for convenience and to gather points for, say, free airline trips. Lower-credit consumers will lose that option, which helps them make ends meet. Relying on credit cards is never ideal, but it's better than the alternative—payday loans and loan sharks.
Corporate landlords own fewer than 3 percent of housing units nationwide and provide a valuable service—offering single-family houses for rent. Banning corporate purchases won't reduce housing prices, but will disrupt local property markets. Housing is unaffordable in many parts of the country, especially California, but the answer is getting the government out of the way by reducing fees and regulations and making it easier to build.
Likewise, giving the feds a bigger role in issuing mortgages will backfire. One of the reasons it's so difficult for many people to get mortgages is that the federal government—rather than competitive pressure—dictates mortgage terms. And do we really want the government directing private corporate decisions? That will benefit crony capitalists, not consumers. The government should make it easier for companies to pursue competitive, entrepreneurial ideas rather than the stale ones promoted by central government planners. Finally, it should go without saying to any conservative that stimulus checks drive up federal debt and inflation.
A decades-old Catholic social teaching is known as the "seamless garment of life," which references the tunic Jesus wore at the crucifixion. The faithful are supposed to revere life in a seamless manner by opposing all policies that undermine the dignity of human beings. These days, Republicans are pursuing a seamless garment of big government, from police-state immigration tactics to their interventionist economic policies. With both parties now hostile to limited government, Americans can only expect civic life to get worse rather than better.
This column was first published in The Orange County Register.
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It’s been a horrific week for Reason articles.
It has been maddow level bad.
Their entire globalist religion is crashing and they are flailing.
So Dear Orange Caligula-Shitler's Imperial Quest to annex Greenland has failed and flailed... Is annexing lands against the swill of the inhabitants thereof, part of the GlobalShit Religion, or snot? Inquiring minds want to KNOW, damn-shit!
(My annexing-lands glands are lustily swollen right now, twat shall I do? Twat is the RIGHT thing to do?)
Which of these lefty populist policies do you like best, Jesse?
1) capping interest rates that private credit card companies can charge private citizens
2) banning private investors from buying real estate from willing sellers
3) governments taking equity stakes in private companies
4) government redistributing wealth by taxing and then sending out stimulus checks
All the ones that were actually enacted of course! You TDS sheep act like every utterance has been codified into law.
Der Dear TrumpfenFarter-Fuhrer never annexed Greenland. Are you telling us that He did NO damage to ANYONE by calling for this shit?
(Ditto annexing Canada, the Panama Canal, the Gaza Strip, etc.)
Here's Your PervFected Trumpian socialism at work:
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/31/trump-announces-trade-deal-with-south-korea-setting-tariffs-at-15percent.html Trump announces trade deal with South Korea, setting tariffs at 15% …
Trump also said in a post on social media platform Truth Social that South Korea will “will give to the United States $350 Billion Dollars for Investments owned and controlled by the United States, and selected by myself, as President.”
Trump is now a One-Man Cummander In Chief of the USA economy, and a YUUUUGE part of the world’s economy!!! Thanks for NOTHING for putting this asshole in orifice, ye STUPID “Team R” Tribalist voters!
Would YOU ass a Korean investor want to invest in the USA after the horse-shit we have seen here? Ass below?
The below link shows that electro-chemistry of the latest car batteries and the machines to make them is VERY customized and complex, and there is an ABSOLUTE NEED for expert labor to get this shit started! ICE bureaucrats have TONS of regulations and nit-picking paper-work with which to stand in the way of GETTING SHIT DONE! Now how many foreign nations are going to want to set up here in the USA, after THIS clown parade? WHERE is the patience and flexibility of overpaid ICE bureaucrats, when it might take a year or two for Korean worker expertise to be sufficiently passed on to American workers? I have worked technical engineering job(s), at least 1, where it took me 2-3 years to get REALLY up to speed. ... Oh, yes, I know, all of your evil PervFect Experts About Everything are SOOOO much smarter than me!!! YOU fuckers go take those jobs, now!
See https://news.yahoo.com/finance/news/hyundai-raid-could-upend-trump-165858389.html ... And out-take from there is... "Immigration lawyers said that most of the workers were here with permission.
The 300 Korean workers who were building the plant for Hyundai’s subcontractors were under the impression they were here legally, Kuck said. They had received clearance from U.S. immigration officials to be at the plant, he said, and reported their whereabouts and the reason for traveling to the U.S. Many of them, he said, had obtained B-1 visas that allow limited business activities.
Other immigration attorneys say many of the several dozen workers from other countries who were detained at the plant had permission to work in the U.S."
Also…
“The president is being poorly served by zealous advisers unable to distinguish between enforcement theater and the value of deepening our economic relationships with firms and countries pouring a lot of investment into our economy,” he said.
Crawl back to whatever shitty propaganda rag confirms your nutso world views.
Lol. Says this after pushing the false 5 year old story in the other thread.
Keep projecting retard maddow watching sarc.
I can't imagine seeing the Gadsden Flag and being astounded to learn that people wearing it aren't about abject violence and disorder but solidly proponents of systems where actions have consequences. Violent disruption or abject tyranny is the closed fist or the skull and crossbones.
Even historically, it's like seeing the Gadsden Flag and "Join or Die" and being surprised that the people wearing them aren't serpent-worshiping Satanists wholly supportive of corrupting peoples' minds with temptation and the fruit of knowledge.
What an intelligent reply. now bend over
They are tired of being treaded on by illegals and the government that takes all their money and gives it to said illegals.
Cun't refute a damned thing that the article says, eh? Is shit ALL to be blamed on the illegal PAPERLESS sub-humans? Has any illegal PAPERLESS sub-human ANYWHERE done ANYTHING good? If they work harder and longer than PervFected You are swilling to work, they are "takes my jerb" and need to be gunned down in the streets, right? Kill them all, let God sort them out?
Smells like bullshit.
Poor sarc.
Then change your underwear.
Trump’s first year back in the White House ended on January 20, 2026 with the U.S. national debt $2.25 trillion higher than one year earlier, showing how fast his red ink is piling up despite his hype and promises to pay it down. He musta given it to them damn illegals, amirite?
Considering what we now know of USAID, Minnesota, and California (and is almost certainly plaguing all 50 States, and a few territories for good measure), we undoubtedly are giving the money to darn illegals!
Look at special ed, can’t even figure out who made the budget or who signed the bills for 2025 (hint: Congress controls the purse and Biden signed those appropriations bills). But go on with your raging, it amuses me.
As far as we fucking can from Commiefornia, Stephen. What are you still doing there?
A California 'moderate' is considered 'far left' everywhere else.
It was never about "Don't Tread on Me" as a universal principle. It was always about "Go after those people and leave us the fuck alone".
And the cultists are quite happy with socialism, or at least, big government, when Trump is president.
Snot only that, butt also, "Leave us the fuck alone when we decide that we want to severely fuck over THOSE PEOPLE." (Of the wrong tribe.)
Speaking of which... If'n ye are a Member of the RIGHT Tribe, ye swill PervFectly Slurpport...
HANG MIKE PENCE!!!
Said you
HANG MIKE PENCE!!!
Said the Trumpanzees Gone Apeshit, ass they tried to steal democracy, to replace shit with mobocracy! And Dear Orange Caligula-Shitler agreed with them, that Pence needed to be HUNG for his CRIMES against The Eternal TrumptatorShit!!!
I can't help but wonder how many of those people calling for hanging Mike Pence were undercover FBI agents trying to make the protestors look bad.
This is only reinforced by how they removed gallows allegedly erected by protestors, without any effort to preserve them for evidence or investigate who erected them.
I can't help but wonder how people looking for false scapegoats for the calling for the hanging Mike Pence don't realize that Dear Orange Caligula-Shitler Himself defended this calling for the hanging of Mike Pence?
And then they blame the Demon-Craps!!!
https://www.umass.edu/news/article/republicans-blame-democrats-antifa-and-us
REPUBLICANS BLAME DEMOCRATS, ANTIFA AND U.S. CAPITOL POLICE FOR JAN. 6 MAYHEM, ACCORDING TO NEW UMASS AMHERST/WCVB POLL
“Hang Mike Pence”!!! Dear Leader agrees!!!
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-defends-jan-6-rioters-hang-mike-pence-chant-newly-n1283798
Trump defends Jan. 6 rioters’ ‘hang Mike Pence’ chant in new audio
The audio captured part of an interview ABC News’ Jonathan Karl conducted with Trump at Mar-a-Lago in March for Karl’s upcoming book.
Trump is PROUD of His Imperial Support for His Storm Troopers and His Political Violence, and can SNOT shut His Trap about shit!!!
PS, Mike Pence’s dangerous words and ideas were that votes, voters, established democratic norms and processes, peaceful transfers of power, and the USA Constitution should actually be RESPECTED!!! Now just IMAGINE THAT!!! This was HERESY to True Trumpaloos!!!
There were previously long-standing rumors from staffers about Trump agreeing with "Hang Mike Pence". Evil people can SNOT keep their braggery about being EVIL to themselves for very long... They feel CUMPELLED to BRAG about shit!!! (Because OF COURSE they are PervFectly Correct in All Ways, in Their Own PervFected Minds.)
So here you go, Trump could NOT shut His Pervfected yapper!!! “Hang Mike Pence”!!! Dear Leader agrees!!!
You can fuck off shrike. After defending the subsidized soros open borders as we were treated on for decades to support your failed globalist dreams. Always supporting foreigners over citizens. Through wealth transfer. Through graft. Through fraud. Never being accountable foe the failures of your religion.
Exactly right. True Libertarians are all about dominating the other side using whatever means necessary. They call it the Aggression Principle.
Youre not the one true libertarian sarc. Youre a useful idiot for the left.
Aggression principle? Like forcing me to subsidize your favored illegals? By forcing us to be victims of their crimes?
You have zero interest in reality.
You wouldn’t know a libertarian if he fucked your wife.
From day one, it was "leave me alone" but also "ban gay marriage" and overt racist attacks on Obama.
There's nothing more libertarian than telling two people they can't enter a contractual arrangement with each other.
And then the left tried forcing the religious to perform their marriages. Weird you left that out.
Ironically you also left out the actual libertarian argument that government shouldn't be involved with marriage at all instead of forcing it to.
It was always, and still remains, my argument that there is no good reason for marriage to involve the government.
The only reason it does in the first place is because it determines a lot of benefits that stem from the government that were intended to give tax breaks to support children, widows, and buy families into socialism.
Anybody can just get married by any yahoo they like, but the government won't recognize that without a literal marriage license.
Yet, we are told, that isn't the problem.
How about forcing bakers to bake their cake (which Reason supported, mind you?)? Is that OK?
How about forcing churches to perform those ceremonies? Is that OK with you?
Nobody and no government forced any churches to perform gay weddings. What corner of Truth Social did you get that from?
Bs, try to distract from the truth, small Gov and fiscal responsibility because you are against those issues and say a lie. Boring trope gotten old.
Libertarians have been dumping on Republicans and playing footsie with Democrats for years and dared the GOP to do without them. The GOP has found that the Libertarians do not control many votes and they can win without them. Therefore, Libertarians have largely destroyed whatever influence they had on the GOP while finding the Democrats going farther lunatic Left and hating them on economic policy. You tried a political powerplay and lost, badly.
As I was thinking about this, it reminded me of the time I saw several threads of conversation on a saying "You guys say the Second Amendment is for stopping tyranny, why aren't you stopping ICE?!?"
Well, first, we don't consider ICE to be tyrannical, and we are under no obligation to fight against what you thing is tyranny, and second, if you're so confident it's tyranny, why aren't you fighting against it?
Similarly, Conservatives aren't necessarily Libertarian, and there are even Libertarians who believe illegal immigrants shouldn't get government benefits and are even ok with sending them back to their home countries. Even if one thinks these things are wrong, it doesn't necessarily follow that one must also consider it tyrannical to enforce these laws.
Seriously, you made it look easy refuting Reason’s latest ad-hoc, throw-it-against -the-wall argument that conservatives (or even all Libertarians) should be against securing the borders and deporting illegals.
As others have commented on here, so much of their articles as of late smack of atheists screaming scripture out of context at the faithful.
I suspect this “The Tea Party Wasn’t Scared to Stick Their Neck Out 20yrs ago, Why Aren’t They Back Because of Tariffs?” crap will continue until further notice.
The problem with "throwing the bums out" is that there is no one to throw in but other bums.
So we throw in the bums that are the least restrictive of our individual freedoms.
Those bums are almost always republicans.
Deal with it.
Haha I got a good laugh. We're truly seeing limited government here, with Trump romping around making threats to overthrow governments and seize territory, doing everything he can to control the media via threats and regulatory leverage, openly taking bribes and doling out benefits, etc.
"So we throw in the bums that are the least restrictive of our individual freedoms."
Can you read?
He doesnt even read his own links.
Thanks maddow!
Weird how you defend the Alex Jones judgement but are outraged at actual libel from your betters. Why can't we just let leftist lie!!
In your fucked up delusional mind, that is what you see. Seek help.
You are (d)ifferent and don't forget that.
Whatever. One thing for certain, though, is President Trump, in either term, has done far more to scale back government than any other President, whether Democrat or Republican, in decades.
Yes, he has some whacky ideas. Yes, he isn't doing enough. But it's a start, and hopefully the next President will build on the success of this one.
re: "Those [less restrictive] bums are almost always republicans."
That has been true for most of my adult life. The point of the article is that it may soon no longer be true. Certainly, republicans have squandered the lead they used to have over democrats.
Lead? Whose won more elections?
Who has done more gerrymandering?
Democrats. Definitely Democrats.
They only "hate" Gerrymandering when they aren't the ones doing it. Democrats have a simple rule: "If there's an opportunity to seize power or use it, don't hesitate, no matter how short-sighted it would be to do so!".
For decades, Democrats have been "Full Steam Ahead, Revolution!" when they got in power, and Republicans have been, at best, "let's roll things back a little bit, if at all!" and at worst "let's do what Democrats want, but not necessarily as fast, and maybe we can be friends!"
With President Trump, at least we're witnessing an attempt to roll back the fraud that's been using our own tax money to destroy our America and our values -- and this is why almost all Democrats and even a lot of Republicans fight him every step of the way.
So we throw in the bums that are the least restrictive of our individual freedoms.
Literal masked federal police forces kicking in your door demanding "papiere bitte"? This is the less restrictive option? I wasn't exactly in the Joe Biden fan club but I don't remember when liberal goon squads patrolled the streets checking your privilege and would threaten to ship you off to a foreign gulag without so much as a court hearing. That's a new one for sure.
Stop being a fucking idiot. Simply search google asking for history of masked federal agents and you will see this happened during democrat administrations just the same.
Everything is so terrible and unfair!
The most honest post on here
"police-state immigration tactics"
Go fuck yourself, Greenwald. Asking hard criminals and fraudsters nicely to leave doesn't seem to work.
Especially when 'sanctuary states' refuse to cooperate and in some cases openly defy federal action.
The states are going to protect their slaves. They own them through slightly different means than the old plantation owners, but the motivation is effectively the same.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/5-year-asylum-seeker-detained-ice-expands-enforcement/story?id=129451987
Look at that "hardened criminal". Who knew that 5-year-olds could have gang tattoos, right?
If he's here illegally, why should we have the obligation to host him, when he has a perfectly fine government he's a citizen of, along with family there?
Also, Pretendent Biden has weaponized "asylum" to the point it's meaningless.
You would have a 5-yr old let go on his own recognizance?
You truly are an idiot.
Over 70% of those arrested by ICE have no prior criminal record whatsoever, not even a traffic ticket. Over 95% have never been convicted of a violent crime. If that's what counts as "hardened" crime, I'd really like to know what you consider to be "soft" crime. Jaywalking?
RapeSexual Assault in New York prior to 2012?Lies, those without criminal charges in America have them in the country they left. They left their home country to avoid prison and found safe haven in America because of stupid people like you.
How about letting known violent criminals out over and over again, until someone gets stabbed in the neck, or set on fire, or pushed in front of a train?
Democrats aren't soft on crime. They enable it. They celebrate it.
Based on the troubling goings-on in Minneapolis, it's hard to describe former GOP Rep. Justin Amash's post on X as hyperbolic: "They're building a police state right before our eyes—which will ultimately be deployed against conservative Christians and gun owners and those who refuse the jab—and a lot of 'Republicans' with Gadsden flags in their bios are like, 'Yeah, FAFO!'"
It's telling that two of the three examples Amash cites are enumerated in the first two Amendments in the Bill or Rights. The third example (refusing the jab) -- I'd be very surprised to see someone arming up the CDC so they can round up people for a mandatory medical procedure.
By contrast, nobody has a right to live anywhere they want.
Ultimately, it's a stupid comparison.
I could mention that Reason does not give a shit about a church being stormed by protesters, so that example of Justin's is already shot. Reason would approve it.
In my teen years, a friend and I re-enacted the crossing in his canoe. The river is only 300-feet wide at the crossing point and we attempted it on a summer day, but we mangled the metal boat on some rocks. Anyway, Washington's maneuvers—memorialized by a German-American artist in 1851—was a turning point in the history of our country.
Steve, even today the Delaware is closer to 300 yards across rather than 300 feet. So, the question is, are you such an asshat as to make up a story to falsely portray yourself in Washington's image, such a retard that you can't, visually or in text, recognize the difference between 300 feet and 300 yards, or both?
Regardless of the answer, most normal people who aren't utterly shameless paid hacks would be ashamed to even show up in public without correcting the error.
The origin of the Delaware River is in the hemlock-forested Catskill Mountains of New York. The East and West Branches flow southwesterly and converge at Point Mountain near Hancock to form the main stem. River width varies from 150 to 1,500 feet, but is most commonly 300-500 feet wide and from 2-8 feet deep, which is generally too shallow for power boats, but adequate for small boats and canoes.
Source: Upper Delaware Study, US Department of the Interior (https://www.rivers.gov/rivers/sites/rivers/files/2023-01/upper-delaware-study.pdf)
TooSilly with the invocation of the 2A in defense of this and Greenhut with the invocation of the Gadsden Flag?
Someone told ChatGPT "Try and sound like a conservative patriotic or constitutionally conscious libertarian." when they had it generate the marching orders to email out didn't they?
What's the matter, dumb fucks? Pink-haired, nose-ringed cat ladies and otherwise-shiftless, white, male-feminist vagrants not quit winning the propaganda war in the press or on the ground the way you thought they would?
Good. Fuck you.
Yeah, I've been noticing that this is the new tack leftists are taking; if you're a conservative/libertarian/republican/etc. that supports gun rights/free speech/the constitution/etc. then you must oppose ICE's attempt to deport illegal immigrants to be ideologically consistent.
It ironically is serived from a dem memo, believe from the usual Vox retards, to adopt the American flag, adopt patriotism, etc as a means to lie about their intentions.
If you can't beat them, fake join them, because all you can do is lie anyways.
"if you're a conservative/libertarian/republican/etc. that supports gun rights/free speech/the constitution/etc. then you must oppose ICE's attempt to deport illegal immigrants"
True enough, but that's only half of it. If you are authoritarian, support of mass deportation is de rigueur.
What's "authoritarian" about removing people who have no citizenship claim here AND who are draining trillions in taxpayer-funded welfare and largesse?
Nothing. On the other hand, support for mass deportation by a masked, jack booted thugs answerable to the president is another matter.
Authoritarianism is a political system characterized by the rejection of political plurality, the use of strong central power to preserve the political status quo, and reductions in democracy, separation of powers, civil liberties, and the rule of law. (from wikipedia)
Out of curiosity, do you consider yourself to be a conservative, libertarian or republican? How about authoritarian? I don't know your case but I imagine most here have no trouble embracing the first three but would reject an authoritarian label. Perhaps because it's stigmatized in the media much more than the other three.
Hm. I wonder if I can be authoritarian libertarian. Maybe I am trans-ing,.
Not sure what country you are in but you are not describing America.
I'm not describing America. I'm describing a political stance called authoritarianism. It is not a country. It is a political stance.
Do you decry the doxxing and attempting to assassinate ICE agents and their families?
If not, then maybe accept that they have reason to be masked.
If their work is putting their families at risk, they should try another line of work. Assuming they care for their families. And wearing a mask is not going to afford much protection against a determined assassin with a firearm.
TL,DR: Who needs ICE to be a "papers please" authoritarian when you got an army of stochastic martyrs to dox and harass unvaccinated Jews for you?
I've made the point before that Reason and Progressivism are far, *FAR* more authoritarian and have been for a while. Far, *FAR* more ideologically "Who I say. What I say. When I say it." and to far, *FAR* more territory under the law (specifically including the abstract stuff) than even pretty "far-right" groups. They just lack the ability to effect their desires. Unlike the old or "true" "Plotting to take over the world and leave you alone" libertarians of old, Reason has plans. They have a vision for how society *should* be. And not just for their own monkeys in their own little circus, for *all the monkeys* in *all the circuses*.
"We're all in this together", "Don't say gay", "We must be actively anti-racist", "Minnesota is why we have a 2A"... probably well before, but right about the time of "Transgender bathroom panic" reason went from "not my concern" "too local" to "no private bathroom is too local and *you're* a panicky Puritanical bigot to worry about it". Even Scott Shackford, at one point, was like "Whoa!"
Again for all the cries of "Papers please!" there are lots of things that in no way requires the government directly, but that still requires paperwork directly from the government or at the behest of the government that people just tolerate: driving a car (license and insurance), renting a car, buying a car, buying alcohol, buying tobacco, buying cannabis, hunting and fishing on public property, buying ammunition, buying a firearm, collecting income, trading stock futures, paying for healthcare/attaining paid for healthcare, providing healthcare.... if you substitute the 'convenience' of providing numbers for records the government holds about you in place of providing documents they 'force' you to carry around (i.e. just give us your SSN vs. show us your license) the list probably doubles in size.
Meanwhile, requiring someone to present ID to come into this country vote and collect welfare/healthcare, which are specifically and directly provided by the government, is "Papers, please!" authoritarianism.
But wait! There's more! The supposed "Papers please!" "authoritarians" stop there, they may issue and collect additional paperwork for any given purpose such as to link property or services to your citizenship status, but there isn't exactly or explicitly more or less control baked into the specific paperwork. The "totally-not-authoritarians" don't. They specifically call for special protections and entitlements or reparations for certain classes of citizens while specifically calling for other classes to be disregarded and this isn't just on one side of the "Papers please!" divide. So, even if the "authoritarians" do wind up asking for more paperwork, they don't specifically care about controlling you aside from the paper, while the "non-authoritarians" very much do want to control you specifically without the paper.
"I've made the point before that Reason and Progressivism are far, *FAR* more authoritarian and have been for a while."
Blaming the messenger. Surely, you've got something better than that.... And following up with a laundry list of MAGA whinge points doesn't help you.
You stupid fucks never get it. Few oppose deportation. They oppose masked Gestapo in the street. Oh no masks for COVID, but masks for the Gestapo. That is why none of you fucktard are libertarians because you support THAT. The deportations are not the issue dipshit asshat
Oddly enough, ICE agents don't wear masks in Red States. It might have something to do with those States calling up ICE and saying "we just arrested another illegal alien, do you want to come pick him up on the Court steps and deport him?"
For some reason, they only wear masks in the Blue States, where local law enforcement is forbidden to work with ICE, and thus have to enforce immigration law on their own while "protestors" interfere with their arrests, dox agents, and try to kill them.
Every single one of you fucks has already proven your true colors on deportations. Sorry, no one is buying your bullshit that you, the writers here, or the protestors in the street are for deportation in any way, shape, or form.
Get fucked.
Oh no masks for COVID, but masks for the Gestapo.
You're retarded to the point of beclowning the people around you.
No masks for COVID was a call to make masking voluntary. Not forcing people who wanted to wear masks not to. Even today many say they're weird but they don't set up internet rage mobs to get them to take their COVID masks off the way people who refused to wear masks would get hounded and shamed.
Same thing other side of the coin, *we* aren't requiring ICE to mask up. It's their choice. Moreover, to your own retardation, they specifically emblazon identification on the outside of their clothing and attached to their warrants and websites.
I'd say this "freedom" thing is hard for some people to understand, but you don't support freedom or immigration or human well being either way, you're just a retarded rage monster who has to scream and shout like a toddler to get their way.
Reason writers are discovering that Donald Trump is a bad guy. Reason readers are enraged. Liberals like myself are amused.
How are you liberal? Youre a leftist.
Weren't "liberals like you" the ones that called the 'Don't tread on me flag' white supremacy? Oh yeah, it was.
Ron Paul: End the Fed.
"Don't tread on me" Republicans: Cool.
Gary Johnson: Bake the cake.
Reason: Cool.
"Don't tread on me" Republicans: Raleigh's bathroom law is forcing private businesses to let perverts harass women in their restrooms.
Reason: You're just being a panicky bigot.
"Don't tread on me" Republicans: FAFO
Chase Oliver: 0.42% of the vote.
Reason: Where have all the "Don't tread on me" Republicans gone?
Dear Reason,
You are in the "Find Out" portion of your particular endeavor. Enjoy.
Sincerely,
"Don't Tread On Me" Republicans
PS: You know for a site that almost wouldn't publish the LGBTQIA-flag swastika out of shame, or fear, they sure were pretty cavalier throwing up the flag demeaning both "Don't tread" Republicans and BDSM sexual kinks. Almost like you just exploit homosexuality, conservatism, American history, etc. just to effect social division or achieve your own preferred political ends and not out of any sort of principled support of sexuality, individual liberty, etc., etc.
You are amused by your delusions, makes sense, seek help.
Hey Reason, nice propaganda machine you got runnin' here. Be a damned shame if reality came around and, ya know, burned it to the ground...
(Oops! Too late...)
I figured out years ago that Reason isn't a Libertarian institution, but rather a false front to attempt to convince libertarian-minded Republicans not to bother to vote, or vote Libertarian, or if possible, to vote Democrat.
To the degree they try to write the occasional libertarian-minded article, or even just allow comments, it's because it's necessary to keep up their pretenses.
It is on the Dems to finish what they started. No one else.
From every fucking media source, I have to wade through this disingenuous, non stop onslaught of false equivalencies, strawmen, and false choices that are so fucking sophomoric they are Jeff level arguments.
"The right just doesn't want any immigration, the right hates immigrants" or "Mr. X's parents were immigrants and NOW all of a sudden he's pulling up the ladder behind him and doesnt want any more immigrants"
- There is a fucking difference between LEGAL and ILLEGAL immigration, for the sake of fuck, can we stop pretending that letting 10 million people unchecked over the course of 1 presidential term represents "business as usual" in terms of immigration? Fuck, Obama's speech on immigration would basically qualify him as grand wizard according to these people now.
"Oh so when Biden was prez it was 'dont tread on me' and now all of a sudden its 'comply or die'"
- No, you disingenuous cretins, stop with the Reddit tier gotchas. Biden kept state of emergency lockdowns going (that never should have been) far too long, infringing on citizens rights, and mandated an experimental medicine on citizens (fully illegal and unconstitutional). Walz had national guard patrolling the streets shooting paint balls at citizens who were on their porch. ICE is carrying out legal fucking warrants for ILLEGAL immigrants, some of which are criminals, in accordance with the law and constitution. If you dont get this you are either a liar or retarded and your voting rights should be revoked.
Most here will admit they dont like ICE roughing up or detaining citizens, and would agree at least some that fall in that category literally put themselves in the line of fire. But their presence is absolutely legal and frankly wanted by a majority of Americans and taxpayers.
Knock it off with your gaslighting. It was NEVER about the legal vs. illegal distinction. It was ALWAYS about the culture and identity of the migrants. Remember the supposed cat-eating Haitians in Springfield? They were here LEGALLY. The Somalis in Minneapolis supposedly committing all this fraud? They are here LEGALLY. Yet your team took no time at all to try to deport and get rid of all of them.
ICE is literally hovering around courthouses picking up immigrants who are trying to follow the rules by going to their designated court appearances.
This guy is a legal US citizen, yet ICE took him away in his underwear in freezing Minnesota weather and detained him without explanation. Why?
https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/c3dm0p2ddgmo
These guys are both US citizens, yet ICE took them away while they were working at Target (without a warrant), and then dumped one of them off at a Walmart down the street, bleeding and injured, with no explanation. Why?
https://www.scrippsnews.com/politics/immigration/video-of-ice-detaining-target-employees-in-minnesota-sparks-outrage
Oh, DHS *says* they were "assaulting a federal officer" but yet no charges were filed and they were released. Huh. How convenient.
They are behaving like lawless thugs. They are literally rounding up US citizens. They are not merely "going after illegals". You have to at least acknowledge this.
All you are pointing out is that our legal immigration system is broken as well. We should be very selective about allowing only people who are cultural fits. The "asylum" bullshit has become the exception that has swallowed the rule.
Go fuck yourself with your shit slinging mouth trying to rationalize your lies by falsely accusing others of what you do.
You are on the bottom of the intelligence scale telling others you are smart.
You are the lawless thug attacking law enforcement, raping children and looting businesses and saying whatever to first try to hide your guilt and second to try and act normal when everyone knows you are not.
I love delusional magatards. I needed that laugh so badly!
Plenty of red states had COVID restrictions you bootlicking knuckledragger.
Almost no one opposes deportations; they oppose masked getapo in the streets. They oppose blatant disregard for the law and the Constitution.
All you fucks always say comply or die, be it Floyd or Good, so stop acting like you asstards don't say that shit on the regular.
But even then, although no State should have had restrictions, Red States didn't have the same intensity of restrictions Blue States had, nor had Red States had them for as long as Blue States.
As for "no one opposes deportations" -- we have plenty of evidence that Democrats clearly don't want anyone deported -- otherwise, why doesn't ICE just show up at court houses in Minnesota to take into custody anyone illegal that the local police have arrested? The answer, of course, is that Minnesota refuses to help ICE, so that ICE has to make the arrests themselves.
as far as Terriffs there have been negligable affects on housing so far and if they are allowed to continue will eventually put more people to work when we start rehoming resources and labour. Most housing price increase have been multiple not just corporate buy outs but government over regulation and yes illegal immigrants. yes each factor is a small percentage but they add up. As a building designer in California i know regulations alone have increased housing prices alone by 30% over a decade and that is separate from the regular inflation in the housing market.
As far as the "POLICE STATE" so far trump is only enforcing existing laws by removing illegal aliens so not a police state. that said i could see teh democrats may do teh same by using federal forces but only to arrest the GOP and anyone who voted for them and that is no joke since they have already said they will do exactly that and thats not just internet warriors but several politicians and "journalist" have made those claims. was there more in teh article to refute yes but my time is limited today
I hope you're headed to English 101 class, and perhaps a spelling test.
"Many conservatives are embracing big government, from police-state immigration tactics to socialist economic policies."
Then these "conservatives" are nothing more than closet Big Government cheerleaders and have been for decades.
Authoritarians is the word. There are plenty of anti-authoritarian conservatives, just maybe not in this comment section.
Says mr emboldened sitting behind a screen.
Actually, I'm in front of a screen. I found it's easier to read that way.
It's different when their guy is doing it. Remember when they cheered that GWBush abandoned the free market in order to save it?
I don't recall all that much cheering, and do recall criticism, from conservatives (many of whom didn't like GW all that much in the first place, but accepted him as better than the alternatives) when GW said that.
I guess that's why we should abandon Republicans and give Democrats the absolute power they've sought for decades to enslave us all and destroy all the freedom and culture we hold dear.
I don't wish the best for my enemies.
Don't Tread on WHO? Illegal Invaders taking over the Nation?
Don't Tread on WHO? The Chinese and their Tax-Exemption status?
And YES. The few unrealized (not-done) 'ideas' about interest caps and pay-outs *is* a lot better than Biden's $1.2T Infrastructure Bill, Student Loan Robbery, etc, etc...
>Many conservatives are embracing big government, from police-state immigration tactics to socialist economic policies.
1. The Don't Tread On Me Republicans got tired of being tread upon. Now they're doing the treading.
2. What's 'police state' about using the current legal system to issue deportation orders and then enacting them?
"What's 'police state' about using the current legal system to issue deportation orders "
A police state typically turns its guns on the weakest, most marginal, blaming them for all of society's ills. The same police state will bend over backwards to protect child rapists who are wealthy, influential and close to power.
Or maybe it is the 80%+ pushing/supporting [D]emon-crap [Na]tional So[zi]al[ism] and MORE welfare.
Does it really matter if one Identifies-as 'Marginal' or 'Weak'?
Maybe the very reason they're 'Marginal' & 'Weak' is because they think everyone else needs to support them (i.e. Fans of Dependency).
"Does it really matter if one Identifies-as 'Marginal' or 'Weak'?"
It depends. If you are a child rapist and want the state to protect you, identifying as weak and marginal is a bad choice. Much better to identify as wealthy and influential.
Sounds like the democrats whom you support. Arrest yourself.
How many charges against Democrat child rapists have arisen from the Epstein kerfuffle? And Republican? Sounds like you just carry water for a president who condones this abuse on a bi partisan basis.
We're not turning our guns against the weakest, though, are we? We're turning our guns against the rapists, the murderers, the gang-bangers, the human traffickers, the fraudsters, and yes, the "innocent" people who work under the table for less than minimum wage and live illegally 20 to a house so they could send most of their money to "back home" while undercutting the marginal and weakest of our own citizens, preventing them from finding work.
2. What's 'police state' about using the current legal system to issue deportation orders and then enacting them?
I don't know. Maybe it's all the paramilitary armed goons patrolling the streets shooting people in the face who disrespec their authoritay, arresting Americans who "look" or "sound" like f'rners, and shuffling people around between makeshift prisons specifically to avoid due giving anyone involved due process. That is what is 'police state' about it.
Seek help
These open borders zealots are beyond help.
Those stupid "Don't Tread on Me" Republicans race to get that silly flag as a specialty license plate, not caring that they're handing extra fees to the state.
If you want to know why you don't see it as much anymore, consider that the FedGov has labeled them all domestic terrorists.
Then ask yourself how many people are willing to disrupt their lives to display a sticker or flag that puts them on yet another list, enhances a traffic stop, or might get them screamed at by a blue haired 19 year old in a parking lot?
I also kind of think that a lot of people are already of the opinion that these are the last days of empire, and there isn't a lot of point in advertising yourself to be first against the wall.
It's sad that most of the time Republicans are still our least bad option. They are the "B" squad grifters. We can all see what the "A" squad can do up in Minnesota. Go ahead TDS sheep, pick me apart, but deep down you know I'm right.
So, I hope Reason is being paid well for prostituting itself.
Since when is finding and deporting illegal aliens a 'police state' action?
And what other country DOESN'T do that?
If ICE and border control and the idiots in charge of them really wanted to deport ‘the worst of the worst’ they could do it in a much lower key and less visible manner without loudly announcing their intentions to over deploy thousands of agents in a highly visible manner. Instead they purposely made a big deal of deployments to payback dem politicos Trump was mad at. Maybe the intention is to provoke violence so that Trump can put a pro Trump army in as many places as possible prior to the mid terms.