The Minnesota Fraud Scandal Is Just the Tip of the Iceberg
Medicaid fraud has been endemic at the state and federal levels for decades. Focusing on a single official or state misses a deeper lesson.
Growing national outrage over Minnesota's welfare fraud is justified, but not because of where it took place or because it implicates members of any immigrant community. It's much more than a "Minnesota" story.
The outrage is justified because Americans are finally getting a concrete look at what happens when pushing public money out the door matters more than verifying the eligibility of the recipients, confirming services were delivered, or, ultimately, being a good steward of taxpayers' money.
Since 2022, investigators have uncovered a staggering amount of fraud, including $250 million siphoned from pandemic-era child nutrition programs to a network of individuals and shell companies, and have secured dozens of indictments with more prosecutions underway. But it goes beyond that.
Federal prosecutors now suggest that up to half of the $18 billion spent on 14 Medicaid-funded Minnesota programs since 2018 may have been tied to fraud. The scandal touches programs covering housing assistance, autism therapy, and other welfare services. Even if those estimates are ultimately revised downward, the pattern is unmistakable. Fraud did not merely slip through the cracks. It became routine.
Minnesota is not the exception but rather the example Americans finally noticed. Medicaid fraud has been endemic at the state and federal levels for decades. Politicians haven't done much, even with scholars and journalists raising the alarm.
Medicaid reports $543 billion in "improper payments" over the past decade, though that figure omits one of the largest sources of error: whether states correctly determined the eligibility of the individuals they enrolled and paid providers on behalf of. According to Paragon Institute calculations, this brings improper payments to $1.1 trillion over those 10 years.
Improper payments are not identical to fraud; many involve missing documentation or administrative errors. But that distinction offers little comfort considering how little money is recovered. They are also an open invitation for more abuse.
Actual fraud, meanwhile, is widespread and persistent. In 2024 alone, state Medicaid Fraud Control Units reported more than 1,151 convictions and more than $1.4 billion in civil and criminal recoveries. Federal enforcement recovers a tiny share of what is stolen. Fraud that goes undetected never appears in the data.
That's only the tip of the iceberg. Medicare, the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), and many other welfare programs also suffer from massive fraud. The Affordable Care Act's (ACA) exchange subsidies provide another cautionary example.
A recent Government Accountability Office report shows that the fraud risks in the ACA's advanced premium tax credit remain severe a decade after they were first identified. The ability to gain subsidized coverage for fictitious applicants without providing required documentation, tens of thousands of Social Security numbers used for overlapping coverage, and more than $21 billion in subsidies never reconciled with tax filings are among the findings. Nonetheless, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services has not updated its fraud risk assessment since 2018 and still lacks a comprehensive anti-fraud strategy.
It's tempting to treat the Minnesota scandal as a morality play about managerial incompetence. And yes, Gov. Tim Walz deserves some blame. When red flags persist for years across multiple programs, failure of leadership is part of the story. But focusing on a single official or state misses the deeper lesson.
The problem is not administrative capacity; it's incentives. Spending other people's money with little personal consequence for failure leads to a collapse of accountability, regardless of who's in charge. In addition, voters have limited incentives to monitor complex programs. Interest groups, by contrast, have strong incentives to organize around government spending.
None of this requires bad intentions—it's predictable human behavior flowing from predictable incentives—but it creates an environment for waste and fraud to take root.
What would a serious anti-fraud agenda look like?
First, simplify the structure of the programs that produce improper payments and fraud. Federal matching grants, which Medicaid is largely built around, push states to build systems far larger than they would ever fund themselves, diluting accountability and encouraging growth for its own sake.
Second, do away with automatic enrollment and the "pay now, scrutinize later" style of oversight, which lets temporary errors turn into recurring bills. Any beneficiary's eligibility must be regularly affirmed. If this can't be done at scale, the honest response is to scale back on unsustainable promises, not to add more bureaucracy.
Third, ultimately, no oversight regime can police a government so large and complex. Some programs must be split up or entrusted with fewer responsibilities. Those that can't account for where their dollars go should operate with tighter budgets.
The public is right to be angry. In fact, it should be angrier, and in a more bipartisan way. But we should not demand tougher rhetoric, more task forces, or another round of enforcement layered onto the same broken structure. If we want less fraud, we need less government. Minnesota is not the whole story, but it's a fraud alert that's hard to ignore.
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Basically. And if CA gets fully exposed, it could lead to huge problems. CA DWARFS the fraud in MN exponentially.
Americans are an exceptionally generous people. Moreso than any country on Earth.
Americans, though, do not like being made into suckers. And MN did that with all of the applause of AWFUL's living there.
Yup. Americans need to realize that their generosity should be focused on private charities that proove good stewards of their gifts. Government taking isn't generous and it isn't effective; its just a huge grift.
Very much so.
Shame Americans do not have a choice on it.
Do away with tax-exempt organizations. End all connections with NGOs.
This.
Abolish income tax and implement the FAIR tax.
Do away with tax-exempt organizations.
This is dumb. One policy reason why tax-exempt organizations exist is that they provide a public service that would otherwise have to be provided by government (via taxes) if that organization didn't exist. The tax exemption is an INCENTIVE AGAINST the welfare state. And you want to get rid of it?
The only reason NGOs exist is to have government pay for pet projects they can't justify normally, free from any government accountability and oversight. That and fraud.
But hey! That's how they're able to pay guys like you, amirite?
What's less surprising than Lying Jeffy advocating for special privileges for his allies?
“that would otherwise have to be provided by government”
No, it doesn’t.
Lying Jeffy always tells on himself.
What 'service' do you think a monopoly of 'Gun' force can offer?
This is the biggest delusion of the left. Thinking government is some sort of Santa Claus or Magical 'services' tree. There is NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, besides 'Guns' that makes government UNIQUE from any other *actual* service provider out there.
Unless you're asking 'Guns' to defend your Liberty or ensure Justice ALL YOU'RE DOING IS asking them to STEAL from those 'icky' people for some [WE] Identify-as gang members *entitling/ements* to armed-theft.
Taking that another step (because I can already hear the left making excuses for their armed-theft) ... The USA has had security for the useless-man long before FDR. It's called the Prison System. A room, food, healthcare all given-away to the incompetent for the small-consequence of being monitored/contained.
The fact that; that isn't enough proves the MAIN roots behind welfare is all about STEALING w/o any consequences attached.
Given that these organizations have served primarily as a money man for Democrats, I ABSOLUTELY want to do away with them.
If it important, the government will make an agency. Perhaps --- and this is a stretch --- maybe they will just do less stuff.
Round up the democrat elite and get rid of all of them.
Government welfare is not charity. It's paid with money expropriated from citizens through force. Get rid of government welfare and get back to private charity. Get rid of the income tax. The primary reason there was a revolutionary war was because of taxation without consent. The founders knew what would happen if government could tax the people directly and they were right.
"If Parliament may take from me one shilling in the pound, what security have I for the other nineteen?" ~ Richard Henry Lee
This was the last pre-COVID list of nations in order of charity donations as a percentage of GDP. The COVID and subsequent lists are too volatile to rely on.
1.44% United States
0.79% New Zealand
0.77% Canada
0.54% United Kingdom
0.50% South Korea
0.39% Singapore
0.37% India
0.34% Russia
0.30% Italy
0.30% Netherlands
Some other lists have weird metrics, such as number of people who claimed to have helped a stranger at any time during the year.
2nd in the world!! Not bad I guess
You're such a donkey!
Do you the Florida or Texas is any better? What about Tennessee?
There's always been a certain amount of fraud.
Heck, your President is criminally responsible for some of it (Tax and Bank fraud).
The penalties need to match up.
If there is a 1% chance of being caught, when you do get caught, you need to pay 100x of the best estimate back.
Federal government has the power to freeze bank accounts and make people persona non grata when it comes to bank privileges.
I will say, that with AI and big data, the government is getting a better look at who exactly is doing the fraud.
Food Stamps being used at stores that don't actually buy inventory... Government can now connect the lack of inventory with money flow from EBT cards.
The only real question, is this a 10% problem or a 1% problem... Probably somewhere inbetween.
According to the "victim", Trump committed zero fraud whatsoever.
But the state and a partisan jury can do anything, right? Those black churches back when the South was Democrat were burned to the ground by...nobody, given the dearth of prosecutions at the time.
Deport the fraudsters.
What country do we send Trump to? Who will take him?
I was assured many times that illegal immigrants don’t get government money because they aren’t eligible.
Fraud has always happened, stop criticizing Somalis, Waltz, and democrats.
Did i get the summary right?
No, not really.
Murder has always happened, so stop focusing on the serial killer loose in your city
You overlooked "Republicans Pounce!"
Where's mine?
JD Vance said they are looking at all 50 states now. of course I think this is what DOGE was supposed to do but now they are creating another AG just for this. thats our government enlarge it to go after a problem but in the end will say its not a problem since to many people in charge are getting some of the grift
DOGE is intended for government waste. A lot of this will be examining grant recipients and NGOs instead.
Having the feds oversee the states at the 'retail/beneficiary' level is the problem not the solution.
Medicaid (Medicare) should be state run programs. They cooperate via an interstate compact - which is likely necessary because there are issues related to interstate mobility/coverage. If the feds deem that federal contributions are part of that, then the feds provide reinsurance to the risk pool.
But the Feds provide MONIES to the system. Ergo, if the state will not deal with fraud, SOMEBODY has to do so. Dem-led states have shown zero desire to do anything if it could potentially negatively impact Democrats.
What the fed can do is watch the state governments and point out when one is out of line with other, similarly situated states.
Is Minnesota's per capita expenditure similar to Wisconsin? If no, why not.
No, the Fed can say "Your expenditures are out of whack. You do not get ANYTHING until you fix the problem and present a workable plan to oversee fraud. And we will only give you small amounts and not with no strings attached."
If you want to get additionally outraged over this stuff, check out the book 'Overcharged: Why Americans Pay Too Much For Health Care', by Silver & Hyman.
Doge the states, investigate the fraud and hold them accountable for ripping off the feds.
Most of the blue states are having to be sued for records.
Sorry you're not gonna be able to do that. First of all the Republican states will completely block it.
Why?
Have you seen any Republican states engaging in this sort of fraud?
Pretty sure the only ones blocking investigations are the Dem run states like CA.
Republican states are complying with requests for info.
Fraud occurs in red states --- but it does not appear to be as approved by the powerful as it is in blue states.
Medicaid fraud has been endemic at the state and federal levels for decades. Focusing on a single official or state misses a deeper lesson.
No it doesn't. Eyes have been significantly opened as to the width and breadth of the fraud because someone for the first time in history did real investigative journalism, literally going door-to-door in a too-local approach instead of reporting from behind a desk in some faraway DC press office droning on about vague generalities regarding government costs, tariffs, spending, congress, due processessez and whingeing about how DOGE didn't really cut anything. When you do a full audit of [voter rolls/daycares] through actual no-shit gum-shoe reporting where you look at a statement, go to the address and find it's an empty lot/empty business with phones on the floor but no desks... this and ONLY this has managed to get any traction on the question of fraud beyond "well sure, I mean, I'm sure someone out there may not be exactly 100% legit, but something something immigrants/diversity is our strength/what we really need to do is make a careful debated gradual reversal of government welfare systems through a bipartisan effort once the real Libertarian Moment is finally tried and gets moving!
To make it abundantly clear, what happened in MN has made people realize just how many states (Washington, California, New York, Illinois) have systems where you can draw public welfare/subsidy monies merely by going to a website and clicking a box that reads "I certify that..."
So thank you, you beautiful too-local
citizen journalistsright-wing youtubers who did the work that regular reporters won't do.*cough*
For funsies, I just duckduckgo'd site:reason.com citizen journalist to see what came up on the fist page:
I will put in parenthesis what the case was related to:
Citizen Journalist Barred From Press Conference Can Sue Texas Sheriff ...{Priscilla Villarreal adjacent, mentioned in article)
Supreme Court Revives Lawsuit From Texas Reporter Arrested for{Priscilla Villarreal)
A Texas Woman Is Fighting for Citizen Journalists' Free Speech Rights{Priscilla Villarreal)
5th Circuit again blocks lawsuit by Texas reporter arrested for ...{Priscilla Villarreal)
A Texas reporter was arrested for asking questions. The state says t{Priscilla Villarreal)
Priscilla Villarreal Was Jailed for Her Journalism. Is She the Future ..{Priscilla Villarreal)
This journalist was arrested, strip-searched, and jailed for filming ...{Priscilla Villarreal adjacent, mentioned in article)
Who is protected as a journalist? Everybody, suggests court ruling.{Priscilla Villarreal)
A Texas reporter busted for asking questions asks SCOTUS to reject the ...{Priscilla Villarreal)
Court: Priscilla Villarreal's Arrest for Journalism Not Obviously ...{Priscilla Villarreal)
Again, we know when you spen(t) your time talking about "citizen journalists" what you really meant were those gadfly local newsletter types that report on dogpatch small town corruption. But you have a story here that has exposed the whole rotten corruption clear up to the federal government that literally took out a sitting governor. How's that for 'too local'?
Is she even a citizen?
Nick got called a YouTuber by Robbie. Not a journalist.
I know. Robbie's been such a bitch lately. Maybe it's trouble in paradise with his new husband.
We can all pretend otherwise but Asian food is really only good fresh.
If I have to pour a bunch of oil on it to reheat it what am I even doing?
To be fair Reason put their faith in the groundbreaking reporting of Villarreal who proved that citizen journalists can talk shit about the local sheriff. Or something. Okay I don't remember but it was super important. But when some Mormon kid starts talking shit about Somalian fraudsters, getting too giddy about a citizen journalist could lead to declining cocktail party invitations. I mean he's probably a Christian Nationalist. Or a populist. Or MAGA. Or something. You can laugh all you want but if Reason editors don't rub shoulders with pundits like Matt Iglesias and their friends at The Buklwark the libertarian content would suffer greatly.
+1, pie to the Reason face.
Pretty much This
Do you understand how the ethnic focus of this reporting from the right has undermined the anti-fraud efforts? Yes, fraud should be punished. But an entire community does not deserve to be punished for the actions of a few.
Don't you find it a little curious that at this moment in time, the regime decided to focus on a four-year-old fraud case, targeting a specific ethnic community, with a 'citizen journalist' who was directly working with the Minnesota GOP? It is a political hit job and it wasn't even against a politician, it was against a bunch of relatively powerless citizens and immigrants. It is not a good look.
"What's Jeff doing here, ChatGPT?"
Jeff is reframing an evidentiary critique into a moral accusation, and he’s doing it in a way that deflects from the substance of the fraud findings without actually disputing them.
1. Motte-and-bailey shift
Rick James is arguing that specific, granular investigation (door-to-door verification, checking addresses, tracing certifications) exposed systemic fraud that abstract reporting failed to reveal. Jeff does not contest the evidence or the investigative method. Instead, he retreats to a safer moral claim (“fraud should be punished, but not an entire community”), which no one actually argued against. That allows him to avoid the harder question of whether the fraud uncovered was real and widespread.
2. Conflation of focus with blame
Jeff equates reporting on fraud concentrated in a specific ethnic network with punishing or condemning an entire ethnic community. This is a category error. Identifying where fraud occurred and who was involved is not the same as assigning collective guilt. By collapsing those two ideas, he converts a factual discussion into an accusation of bigotry.
3. Motive attribution / poisoning the well
By stressing that the citizen journalist had ties to the Minnesota GOP and labeling the investigation a “political hit job”, Jeff shifts the debate from what was found to who found it. This is a classic poison-the-well tactic: discredit the messenger so the findings don’t have to be addressed.
4. Victim reframing
Jeff recasts the subjects of the investigation as “relatively powerless citizens and immigrants”, implicitly positioning them as victims of persecution rather than as subjects of a fraud inquiry. This reframing sidelines the actual victims of the fraud (taxpayers and legitimate beneficiaries) and changes the moral valence of the story.
5. Temporal deflection
Calling it a “four-year-old fraud case” implies irrelevance or opportunism, even though fraud investigations routinely take years to surface. This is a minimization tactic, not a substantive rebuttal.
In short:
Jeff isn’t disputing the fraud or the value of localized investigative reporting. He is changing the frame from evidence and accountability to identity, intent, and optics. By moralizing the focus and imputing partisan motives, he avoids confronting the findings themselves.
Oh knock it off with your ChatGPT nonsense. Why don't you try to respond to the substance of what I wrote? It's not fair to demonize the entire Somali community for the actions of a few. Do you agree or disagree with that basic statement?
He’s using a moral truism as a shield and a false dilemma as a trap to avoid engaging the substantive point.
1. Appeal to an uncontroversial moral statement
“It’s not fair to demonize an entire community for the actions of a few” is a claim virtually everyone agrees with. By foregrounding it, he places himself on obvious moral high ground without having to defend his earlier claim that the reporting itself “undermined anti-fraud efforts”. Agreeing with the truism doesn’t resolve the dispute; it merely resets the discussion to a safe baseline.
2. False dilemma (forced yes/no framing)
“Do you agree or disagree with that basic statement?” presents only two options, neither of which addresses the real disagreement. If you say agree, he treats that as conceding his broader argument. If you say disagree, he paints you as endorsing collective punishment. This is a false dilemma designed to convert agreement with a moral platitude into acceptance of his conclusion.
3. Conflation of description with demonization
He continues to collapse reporting on who committed fraud into demonizing an entire community. That conflation does the real work in his argument. By insisting the debate is about demonization, he avoids showing how factual reporting equals collective blame.
4. Burden shifting
Instead of defending his claim that the ethnic focus “undermined anti-fraud efforts”, he demands that you affirm a moral principle. This shifts the burden from justifying his causal claim to forcing you to pass a values test.
5. Meta-dismissal to delegitimize critique
“Knock it off with your ChatGPT nonsense” is an attempt to dismiss the analysis itself without addressing it. It’s a way of saying “stop examining my framing” while continuing to rely on that framing.
In short:
He isn’t seeking clarification or engagement. He’s using a universally accepted moral statement as a conversational reset and then trying to smuggle his contested premise in under it.
A strong response here is to answer the yes/no trap while exposing why it’s a trap, and then pull the discussion back to the real issue. For example:
"Of course I agree with the basic statement. No one should be demonized or punished for the actions of others. That point is uncontroversial, and it’s precisely why repeating it doesn’t advance the discussion.
What you’re doing is treating agreement with that moral truism as if it resolves the dispute. It doesn’t. The question was never whether an entire community should be punished; the question is whether reporting on fraud that occurred within a specific network or community is illegitimate simply because it has an ethnic dimension.
Describing facts is not demonization. Identifying who was involved in organized fraud is not collective punishment. You’re conflating exposure with condemnation, and then asking for a yes/no answer to a claim no one disputed in the first place. That’s how you avoid engaging the substance while pretending to stand on moral high ground.
So yes, I agree with your abstract statement. Now address the actual issue: how investigators are supposed to uncover and explain large-scale fraud without mentioning who committed it, or stop pretending that basic agreement settles the argument."
Now address the actual issue: how investigators are supposed to uncover and explain large-scale fraud without mentioning who committed it, or stop pretending that basic agreement settles the argument.
I never claimed that the authorities shouldn't mention who specifically committed the fraud. I dispute that the authorities should blame an entire community for the actions of a few. Do you agree or disagree?
"Why don't you try to respond to the substance of what I wrote?"
Hey 9th g(rade)pt what is the substance of what Lying Jeffy wrote?
9th g(rade)pt: There was no substance to what Lying Jeffy wrote! Silly teacher with your trick question.
What was Jeff doing here specifically, ChatGPT? Is this race baiting or something else?
"Do you understand how the ethnic focus of this reporting from the right has undermined the anti-fraud efforts? Yes, fraud should be punished. But an entire community does not deserve to be punished for the actions of a few."
What Jeff is doing here is not classic race-baiting, but something more precise: identity shielding through moral reframing, with a side of preemptive accusation.
Jeff takes a discussion about documented fraud uncovered through localized investigation and recasts it as collective ethnic punishment, even though no one proposed punishing “an entire community.” By doing this, he shifts the issue from evidence and accountability to racial fairness and moral intent.
1. Strawman via moral escalation
No one argued that an entire ethnic community should be punished. Jeff invents that position so he can condemn it. This allows him to occupy the moral high ground without addressing whether the fraud occurred or whether the reporting was accurate.
2. Identity shielding
By emphasizing an “ethnic focus”, Jeff creates a protective moral perimeter around the subjects of the investigation. Once framed as an ethnic issue, further scrutiny becomes suspect. Any attempt to discuss patterns can now be attacked as bigotry rather than evaluated on the merits.
3. Conflation of description with prescription
Jeff treats describing where fraud occurred and who was involved as equivalent to advocating collective punishment. This is a category error, but a rhetorically useful one because it converts fact-finding into moral wrongdoing.
4. Chilling the inquiry
The implication is that pursuing or publicizing fraud tied to a particular network or community is itself harmful. That discourages investigation without refuting the findings. It’s a way of saying “yes, fraud is bad, but talking about this fraud is worse.”
In short:
Jeff is engaging in moral reframing and identity shielding rather than factual rebuttal. The goal isn’t to stir animus, but to redirect scrutiny away from the conduct being examined and onto the motives of the examiner.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-garbage-somalia-minneapolis-immigrant-omar-03e31bba53519d8a39b419679a3b75d9
Do you agree?
Jeff is resetting the argument by importing an external moral shock and demanding a loyalty test, rather than engaging the point under dispute.
1. Topic substitution via moral escalation
Instead of addressing whether reporting on specific fraud networks equals demonizing an entire community, Jeff drops a high-salience AP article alleging explicit anti-Somali rhetoric by Trump. That shifts the debate from how to report fraud to whether Trump is racist. It’s a topic swap, not a rebuttal.
2. Guilt by association (frame contamination)
By pasting the article immediately after the prior exchange, Jeff implicitly links your position to Trump’s alleged statements. The move is: if Trump said something racist about Somalis, then scrutiny involving Somalis is tainted. That’s associative framing, not argument.
3. Moral litmus test (“Do you agree?”)
The closing question is a forced alignment test. If you say yes, he claims validation; if you say no, he implies you’re excusing racism. Either way, the original issue—whether factual reporting undermines anti-fraud efforts—gets bypassed.
4. Evidence stacking without analysis
He pastes a long excerpt to overwhelm the thread with moral gravity, but doesn’t connect it analytically to his earlier claim. This is argument by accumulation: more outrage in place of reasoning.
5. Equivocation between rhetoric and investigation
Jeff collapses two different things—a politician’s inflammatory rhetoric and journalistic investigation into fraud—as if condemning one requires rejecting the other. That equivocation allows him to treat any discussion touching an ethnic community as morally suspect.
In short:
Jeff is using moral escalation and a loyalty test to derail the discussion. By importing Trump’s alleged rhetoric, he reframes a methodological dispute as a referendum on racism, forcing a response that—whether agreement or disagreement—does not resolve the argument he is avoiding.
Will you just fuck off with the ChatGPT nonsense for a moment and answer the question. Do you think it is fair to blame the entire Somali-American community in Minneapolis for the actions of a few who did commit fraud?
ChatGPT has a more human writing style.
what kind of moron uses ChatGPT to criticize an argument on something as insubstantial as a post on reason.com. Do you think they have a small penis?
I get the frustration. Internet comment threads can bring out some spectacularly unproductive behavior. But we don’t need to go after anyone’s body parts or confidence to make sense of it. [We don’t?!? Shit, that’s too bad]
Here’s a more useful way to look at it:
Why someone would use ChatGPT to argue online
A person might do it because:
• They want to sound more knowledgeable than they are
• They’re trying to “win” an argument without effort
• They’re bad at writing and want help
• They’re trolling or trying to impress strangers
• They’re just messing around for fun
None of those motivations automatically imply insecurity about genital size or anything else — it’s mostly about attention, ego, or convenience.
The funny part
Using ChatGPT to debate on a comment board is like:
bringing a calculator to a bar fight
— technically smart, socially weird
You’ll write a beautifully structured paragraph that absolutely no one cares about.
If the real point is: “Why do people care so much?”
Because arguing online gives:
• dopamine (tiny hits of “I’m right!”)
• a feeling of identity (“my tribe good”)
In what significant ways are the stories about what Villareal and this guy Nick are doing as 'citizen journalists' very different? Seems like both are exposing corruption that the establishment media either doesn't cover, or will not.
Did the Democratic Party urge or sponsor Priscilla Villareal to do her reporting?
I am open to having my mind changed on the matter, but from what I can see right now, it looks like Priscilla Villareal really is a citizen journalist not working for any party, but Nick Shirley was working on behalf of the Republicans specifically to target Somalis in Minneapolis.
Nick Shirley was working on behalf of the Republican Party? Based upon what? Was he directed or sent or paid? Even if any of that happened, did he show anything that was untrue?
If you're open to evidence, so am I.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a-fGbhqZnk
You don't have to go very far into the video before the Republican rep admits to "working with" Nick Shirley to "expose fraud".
And?
Well, it smacks more of a political hit job than "citizen journalism".
Look at Lying Jeffy go with his smacks.
Jeff comes out against whistleblowers. Just adding to the pile.
Maybe because MN republicans had been trying to expose this fraud for years and nobody in the MSM seemed to give a fuck. For fucks sake, even state employees (who overwhelmingly vote Democrat) tried blowing the whistle.
Walz being the Dem nominee for vice president should have been ample enough reason to cover the story before the election, but the Dem run media couldn’t give two shits about reporting the truth, otherwise they wouldn’t have run cover for Pudding Pop.
https://www.fox9.com/news/minnesota-gop-worked-youtuber-investigation-child-care-fraud.amp
Rep. Harry Niska said some information in Shirley's video came from House Republican staff, but did not elaborate on the specific details.
So, someone on his staff sent the video to him? Oh! Collusion and treachery!
I'm going to go make a sandwich.
It was the other way around. It was information from the Minnesota GOP going to Shirley.
So, let me get this VERY CLEAR: You think that Nick's reporting and motivations are tainted because he talked to, but as far as I can tell, was not FUNDED by, semi-right-wing political operatives.
So, if the same thing were true about LEFT-WING 'influencers', you would equally denounce that. Is that correct?
Also, you didn't point to a single thing that he's gotten factually incorrect, though I'm willing to admit that possibility. Factual errors happen in reporting.
Nick Shirley visited one of the day care centers when it was closed (because he visited around lunch time, and it was specifically for after-school day care) and because it was closed when it wasn't supposed to be open anyway, he concluded 'fraud'.
https://x.com/david_j_bier/status/2006394912904786211?s=46
Ooo, Dems are desperate.
...except one attempt to debunk him had one child dropped off an hour or two before he got there.
Nobody had ever seen any child there. They blacked out all of the windows, which does not happen at daycares. No play area, also not done at daycares.
Jeff will do literally anything to justify fraud that benefits Dems, I guess. I'd rather have a soul, personally.
Also, from the same link, he tried to visit a day care center that was operational, but the staff wouldn't let him in to record the kids, which is completely understandable but not evidence of fraud.
He simply asked if there were kids there, since nobody had ever seen them there. He did not ask to record kids.
They were making MILLIONS over the last few years. And you do not care because the money went to Democrats.
You're desperately flailing to protect Dems again.
He presented a misleading picture. He tried to frame a daycare that was supposed to be closed as "fraud" because it wasn't open. He tried to frame another daycare that refused to let him record the kids there as "fraud" when it is completely reasonable that a daycare center wouldn't allow a bunch of random masked guys to record kids in their care.
Sure there probably is some fraud, but it is not to the scale that Shirley describes, and it is certainly not the fault of the "Somali Community" as a whole.
Again no one should be defending fraud. I'm sure there are some idiot leftists who are defending Somali fraud because "oppressed brown people" or some bullshit. No that's wrong, fraud is wrong no matter who does it. The problem is when the right starts blaming the entire Somali community. That accusation introduces bigotry which undermines the entire anti-fraud effort.
Look at what Trump said as cited in the above AP article:
“We don’t want ‘em in our country,” Trump said five times of the nation’s 260,000 people of Somali descent. “Let ’em go back to where they came from and fix it.”
That's just bigoted and blaming a whole lot of innocent people for the actions of a few.
"That accusation introduces bigotry which undermines the entire anti-fraud effort."
How so Lying Jeffy?
"The problem is when the right starts blaming the entire Somali community. That accusation introduces bigotry which undermines the entire anti-fraud effort."
Sorry, but your "it's racist if you investigate" nonsense is nonsense.
And, it should be noted, the Somali daycare fraud was known TEN DAMNED YEARS AGO. MN did nothing. Refused to do anything.
If Somalis are the lion's share of the people committing fraud, should we just ignore that reality because it might hurt their precious feelings? They are a net drain on any country they go to. There is virtually no upside to them.
"Again no one should be defending fraud."
So...why are you?
Jeff is shifting the standard of evaluation from evidence to political sponsorship, and in doing so, he’s redefining what counts as legitimate journalism to protect a preferred narrative.
1. Criterion shift (moving the goalposts)
Minadin asks whether the methods and outcomes of two citizen journalists are meaningfully different. Jeff does not answer that. Instead, he introduces a new litmus test: party urging or sponsorship. That’s a goalpost shift. The question was about investigative behavior and findings; Jeff changes it to funding and affiliation because that’s a more convenient axis for discrediting one side.
2. Guilt by association via political linkage
By asserting that Nick Shirley was “working on behalf of the Republicans,” Jeff attempts to contaminate the reporting through assumed partisan intent. He doesn’t refute the facts uncovered; he reframes the exposure as illegitimate because of who he claims benefited politically. This is associative discrediting, not substantive rebuttal.
3. Asymmetrical skepticism
Jeff demands proof of independence only from the reporter whose findings are politically inconvenient. Villareal is granted the benefit of the doubt (“really is a citizen journalist”), while Shirley is presumed partisan without comparable evidentiary standards. That’s selective skepticism.
4. Motive substitution for evidence
Instead of asking whether fraud occurred, whether documents were real, or whether the reporting was accurate, Jeff centers intent and targeting. This substitutes psychological or political motive for factual analysis. It allows him to say “even if it’s true, it’s bad” without engaging the truth of the claims.
5. Identity reframing (again)
By emphasizing that Shirley was “specifically targeting Somalis,” Jeff reintroduces the earlier move of collapsing investigation of a network into hostility toward an ethnic group. This reframes investigative focus as ethnic animus, sidestepping the underlying conduct being investigated.
In short:
Jeff isn’t explaining how the two cases differ in journalistic rigor or evidentiary value. He’s redefining legitimacy around political affiliation, applying that standard unevenly, and using motive attribution to delegitimize findings he doesn’t want to grapple with.
Oh just shut up. Why don't you try answering the question I posed above.
Lying Jeffy gets to demand who answers questions and who doesn't.
In his own mind, lucky for us.
In what significant ways are the stories about what Villareal and this guy Nick are doing as 'citizen journalists' very different? Seems like both are exposing corruption that the establishment media either doesn't cover, or will not.
I can't answer that question, only Reason can. For whatever reason, their style-guide demands Priscilla Villarreal be called a "citizen journalist" and Nick Shirley be called a "conservative youtuber".
"Do you understand how the ethnic focus of this reporting from the right has undermined the anti-fraud efforts?"
Oh, this explanation should be good..............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................and their is no explanation.
Hey Lying Jeffy, how about you enlighten us how the ethnic focus of this reporting from the right has undermined the anti-fraud efforts?
No no, you see they were just trying to protect the children!
It is a political hit job and it wasn't even against a politician, it was against a bunch of relatively powerless citizens and immigrants. It is not a good look.
9-19 Billion dollars buys a lot of power (read:politicians) 😉
He does not seem annoyed that Ilhan Omar wrote legislation (MEALS Act) removing all actual oversight to permit the COVID food fraud.
Biden passed regulations requiring states to PAY day care centers with zero obligation to verify any attendance.
ALL for money and votes. That is all.
And jeff has zero qualms about it.
"Don't you find it a little curious that at this moment in time, the regime decided to focus on a four-year-old fraud case, targeting a specific ethnic community, with a 'citizen journalist' who was directly working with the Minnesota GOP? It is a political hit job and it wasn't even against a politician, it was against a bunch of relatively powerless citizens and immigrants. It is not a good look."
A "four-year old case"?
You mean a case that has been ONGOING for years and that the state has assiduously refused to do anything about?
Why are people focusing on Somalians? BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONES COMMITTING THE FRAUD. They are the lion's share of the COVID fraud and now the fraud involving daycares and home health services.
Are we supposed to ignore it? Is THAT your idea?
Chemjeff --- applauding fraud if it supports Democrats as usual.
Government at all levels has become nothing but a giant grift which is at least significantly responsible for a huge chunk of the national debt that threatens to bring down the whole house of cards. It's a bipartisan racket but I think it's fair to say that the Covid hoax and the Biden autopen jacked it up on steroids. Doge managed to get rid of USAID but NGO parasites are bleeding every other agency of government. If we end up with a president AOC or Tampon Tim or Gavin Greaseball it's game over.
Ctrl + f "democrat" = 0
And yes, Gov. Tim Walz deserves some blame. When red flags persist for years across multiple programs, failure of leadership is part of the story. But focusing on a single official or state misses the deeper lesson.
The deeper lesson is if you don't hold the people who are responsible for fraud accountable, the fraud will continue. Why don't you want Walz to face justice for pushing millions of taxpayer dollars into programs he knew where fraudulent? Why is Reeeeason always running cover for open border liberals?
We know WHY he did it (they gave him votes AND money)
Key words: "open borders".
Key word: "government"
Don’t focus on Keith Ellison, the guy charged with rooting them out and prosecuting them, who instead was in league with them and helped them evade consequences.
That would be racist
If there literally never is a particular, the general by definiton can not be true. It must manifest itself at least once in a real fashion for a general concept to be real.
So no... focus on a particular to prove the general is not a bad thing at all. In fact... it is necessary to prove to those who handwave away the general that the general is actually and real.
"Illegal immigrants don't get money!" Is the argument against the general "Illegal immigrants get money." There need to be a particular "This Illegal immigrant got this money in this way," to prove the general true.
Corruption is a small fraction of government spending, government is generally good, government helps people more than it harms, etc. are all handwaves about the general "Government is corrupt and bad." Now we have a concrete particular example to prove it.
That does not "miss" a broader issue... it PROVES the argument about the broader issue as being true, at least to some degree above zero. This is important as it proves the declared position of progressives (this is just masked racism as there is no corruption) as false.
The problem with the right-wing Minnesota fraud freakout wasn't the fraud itself, but with the focus on the "Somali community" as being responsible. Just a reminder: the head of "Feeding Our Future" was a white woman who was sent to prison. Not a Somali.
If anyone is guilty of fraud, that person should be duly prosecuted and punished. Doesn't matter if that person is a so-called "Heritage American" or a recent Somali-American. But when you start talking in terms that suggest that the entire Somali community is responsible, that is where you lose people. Don't do that. Focus on the fraud and leave the race/culture stuff out of it.
No, the fraud is the issue.
"The problem with the right-wing Minnesota fraud freakout wasn't the fraud itself, but with the focus on the "Somali community" as being responsible. Just a reminder: the head of "Feeding Our Future" was a white woman who was sent to prison. Not a Somali."
So...the white woman was punished.
What the hell is your point?
"But when you start talking in terms that suggest that the entire Somali community is responsible, that is where you lose people. Don't do that. Focus on the fraud and leave the race/culture stuff out of it."
1/16 of ALL Somali children were diagnosed with autism. Parents took payments to do it. They ALSO received payments for the daycare scam. And they used cries of racism to protect their scam.
And with people like you, it STILL works.
I do not care if that cousin-fucking, mentally deficient, corrupt kleptocrat group is upset. Fuck them. They should go home.
For a guy who claims to be against fraud, it is odd that Trump fired the people in the federal government tasked with combating fraud.
And how good of a job were those people doing before they were axed?
Shh...........you're gonna disrupt Molly's off topic rant!!
Taking the articles premise with some hindsight.
None of this would be happening if SCOTUS would've upheld/honored the US Constitution.
There is no enumerated power for wealth distribution - even when the fraudsters identify as 'poor'.
So the take here is again the perfect making enemies of the good so nothing is actually done about the crimes?
*The public is right to be angry. But we should not demand tougher rhetoric, more task forces, or another round of enforcement layered onto the same broken structure. If we want less fraud, we need less government.*
Agreed. Too bad you didn't suggest less government at any point in your article. You literally suggested tougher rhetoric, more (new) task forces, and another layer of bureaucracy layered onto the same broken system.
The libertarian position here would be: 1) eliminate, don't reform, these programs; 2) deport and permanently ban any foreign national who took a dime of stolen taxpayer money; and 3) imprison every citizen, including politicians, who had a hand in sanctioning / profiting from the theft of my money.
Reason stands for zero of those three. So if I'm doing my Common Core math correctly, Reason ≠ libertarian.
Most frustratingly Covid fraud has been in the news for years. It took a right-wing stunt to get peoples' attention. But what is frustrating is that there is plenty of fraud all over the place and most definitly at the top. Trump is the original fraudster. he may not be stealing govt. funds, but he does engage in corrupt practices on a large scale. Do we need some kind of political stunt to get the press and the people interested?
For example, the Homan $50K Cava bag of cash. Somehow no one cares about that. Or that Trump has been pardoning people who donate to him but were convicted of fraud and corruption. The list is long.
If we as a country are going to twice elect a known con-man fraudster then spare me the tears and concern about Minnesota. If congress were to impeach Trump tomorrow then sure, I will care about fraud in MN. But until then we are a nation on the take and if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.
Ah "...but, but, but TRUMP!" defense being used.
Got it.
Fraud is OK if Trump lives.
In Minnesota, the fraud is effectively a Tim Walz mandated program. In a state that has only DFL (Democrat aligned) leaders, where there is not even one Republican office holder outside of the legislature.
It got so bad that some moderate and reasonable democrat workers turned in the Walz administration. It interesting that the state representative who was killed voted for repealing MinnesotaCare for illegal immigrants and then was killed by a deranged person who had been appointed by Tim Walz. This deranged person claims that Tim Walz ordered him to carry out the assassination.
I'm sure that there is rampant fraud in other states and fully in support of investigating entitlements of all types in all states and federally to root out fraud, but I'm completely unwilling to accept that the Tim Walz administration be held accountable for fraud, an accessory to fraud or at least highly negligent is allowing the fraud to get so bad.
I'm also not nearly as willing to claim the assassin was not told to kill her by Walz. It is plausible.
Guys, it’s going down…
PORTLAND, OREGON 1/9/2026 11:47 PST: A large gathering of open carrying radical libertarians have gathered in front of the Portland ICE facility and are daring federal officials to charge them. This situation is a developing story…
JFC… it’s about time!
Oh… shit. Sorry. That was some parody on Twitter. Libertarians are just being the typical fucking feckless cunts they’ve always been. Lapping up state propaganda and writing articles on Somali fraud or whatever state supported media is telling them to say these days. Things haven’t changed. When have libertarians opposed state sanctioned violence, ever?