A Recent Book Shows Why Invading Greenland Would Be a Dumb Idea
Polar War demonstrates how difficult it is for armies to operate in the high north—and just how far America is behind Europe in Arctic warfare.
Polar War: Submarines, Spies, and the Struggle for Power in a Melting Arctic, by Kenneth R. Rosen, Simon & Schuster, 320 pages, $29
When he first started talking about it, President Donald Trump's desire to take over Greenland sounded like a joke. Now European leaders are taking the possibility of a hostile takeover—and possibly even a war for the Danish Arctic island—as a deadly serious threat. After Trump's diet regime change operation in Venezuela, he immediately set his sights on Greenland, with the implication that it would be an armed conquest rather than a voluntary purchase.
"Nobody's going to fight the United States militarily over the future of Greenland," White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller told CNN, bragging about a world "governed by strength, that is governed by force, that is governed by power." Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen said that a U.S. attack on any part of Denmark would end "everything" that has to do with "post-World War II security."
What would a battle in the Arctic actually look like? Polar War, a book published by Kenneth Rosen amid the latest threats, aims to answer that very question. Rosen sails along with Norwegian and American coast guard patrols in the Arctic, watches prospective Swedish ski troopers at their boot camp, flies to the village in northern Greenland where the U.S. military is based, and hitches a ride on a supply run to the Russian outpost in Svalbard, a strange neutral zone in the Barents Sea.
The book is at least partly a pitch for more Western military spending. "Russia and China and their allies knew exactly what they wanted," Rosen argues, but the United States had "no road map" to compete. The problem is his double standard: While Rosen sees the gap between planning and execution on the Western side up close—and gets to hear typical complaints from officials that their programs are underfunded—he takes it for granted from a distance that Russian shows of force or Chinese business plans reflect these countries' real polar capabilities.
Rosen's comparisons within the Western bloc have inadvertently turned out to be the most useful part of his book, given the tensions over Greenland. Observing U.S. and European operations in the far north, he finds that Nordic troops are much more agile and well-prepared for high latitudes than their American counterparts.
In fact, Rosen gets to compare these forces side-by-side when he follows a Norwegian ship on the way to a planned rendezvous with the USCGS Healy, the U.S. Coast Guard's only Arctic-specific icebreaker. When the two ships meet, they are suddenly buzzed by a Russian helicopter. The Americans are "visibly unnerved," Rosen notes. The Norwegians, on the other hand, dryly comment about how they do the same to Russians all the time.
An important lesson is that experience, rather than flashy equipment, makes or breaks a polar army. The cold quickly kills people and destroys machines. Snow does not behave like sand when building fortifications. Cross-country skis are faster than snowshoes. Sunburn is a surprisingly common problem despite the cold. Hooks and ropes have to be carefully maintained. Wind and weather at sea can change unpredictably. Even routine, peacetime shipboardings can be deadly.
The book argues that Europe's comparative advantage in the Arctic can make NATO worthwhile for the U.S., by reducing the need for an American military buildup up there. What neither Rosen nor almost anyone else imagined was that the Arctic would trigger a zero-sum competition between America and Europe, with a real possibility of Americans facing off against their more experienced European counterparts.
Missing from most of the mainstream conversation—but present in Rosen's book—is the question of what Greenlanders themselves want. Most people in Greenland are Inuit, members of the same culture that much of northern Canada and coastal Alaska belong to. For centuries, they chafed under Danish colonial rule. Now they enjoy considerable self-rule within Denmark and are deciding whether to pursue independence.
Polls show that most Greenlanders support independence in theory but don't necessarily want to break away at the moment. The fact that Danish taxpayers pay for half of the Greenlandic government budget is an obvious, widely known barrier to independence. So is the potential loss of the mobility and export markets that European Union membership provides. Many Greenlanders whom Rosen meets have family or work ties to mainland Europe. Even if they resent being ruled by and dependent on faraway foreigners, they have a lot to lose from cutting the relationship in haste.
What Greenlanders definitely do not want is to have this relationship renegotiated at gunpoint. They are, as Rosen puts it, "open for business but not for sale." Ironically, Trump's threats threw icy water on Greenlandic nationalists' otherwise warm view of America; many had hoped that American tourism and mining investment could replace Danish subsidies.
With climate change opening up the Arctic, it may be prudent for America to pay more attention to its northern frontier. And that may mean preparing for the intense difficulties of fighting in the Arctic. But those difficulties show why actively seeking out such a fight is so deranged.
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All of Denmark's military combined is smaller than the USMC
How many Spaniards, Frenchmen, Germans, etc do you think have operated up north?
Yeah, it would be difficult - and it would be over in a week.
All of Denmark's military combined is smaller than the USMC
If I'm not mistaken, all of the Nordic countries' active-duty troops combined is only approaching par with *just* the USMC. In terms of Naval and Air Power, it's not even a joke. If it were the 18th or 19th century and both sides were lining up ground forces to square off, *and* we assume both sides magically appear at whatever battleground they needed to be at, it could be a challenge... for *just* the USMC.
As it is, a handful of Ukrainian irregulars with zero strategic support can completely kibosh Nordic infrastructure 100 ft. underwater well within their own territory without anybody knowing about it and completely unable to do anything about it for months, even years, after the fact.
None of this matters 'cause we aren't going to invade Greenland.
and just how far America is behind Europe in Arctic warfare.
Wait, what?
I will freely concede that the Finns are pretty awesome cold-weather warriors. They have an amazing track record. There are only a few US units as well trained and equipped for arctic combat. It's also true that those Finns are pretty much only trained for that climate while US soldiers regularly rotate to other units and have to be re-equipped/re-trained for new conditions.
What the analysis above omits is that that US arctic-trained subset is about equivalent in size to the entire Finnish army and that the US' rotation system means we're readier to retrain and adapt than more static militaries.
Denmark, by the way, is not a cold-weather military. Their climate is quite temperate. And while the folks actually living in Greenland are comfortable in their own climate, their total population is less than 56 k and only a tiny fraction of that has any military experience.
the artic tactics 10th mountain uses in no way are different than any Nordic country. This is a strange article.
So, we have a dedicated 11th Airborne division in Alaska for arctic combat, with associated arctic aviation command.
We have the 10th Mountain that also trains in the arctic.
The marine corps rotates units through Norway and Alaska for arctic training. They have their own mountain training center.
It's almost like we've been thinking about this for a few years.
And, again, the US is blowing up go-fast boats in international waters thousands of miles from shore picked up by AWACS and vaporizing Iranian nuclear facilities from NORAD-defended territory while a handful of Ukrainians in a wooden dinghy blow up infrastructure within Denmark's territorial waters.
The entire fleet of Nordic/Scandinavian) submarines is numerically smaller than any class of US submarines except the Seawolf class (which isn't combat-oriented)... and they're all diesel-electric.
I'm almost tempted to read just to see what backing is provided for that claim. I could believe Russia has better arctic war capabilities right now. I could believe the nordic countries have more specialized equipment and supplies for arctic operations. What I don't believe is that they have superior manpower, technology, or logistical ability for any edge they might have to matter.
Our bases in Alaska and Greenland are examples that our military is operating within and has arctic capabilities.
Apparently the 'thinking' by Petti is that because a couple European nations are really good at arctic warfare they all are?
But since *not all* of the USA is specialized in cold weather therefore none of it is?
I'm almost tempted to read just to see what backing is provided for that claim.
See my post below, the source material is an armchair analysis, not by some military historian, but by a Greta Thunberg-esque AGW fake-autist who thinks they're the first to consider that the Arctic might have some strategic value. And not for some resource, logistical, or territorial purpose, but for the crumbling infrastructure that we should stop burning fossil fuels in order to preserve.
I'll just leave this here.
https://www.thetimes.com/us/news-today/article/venezuela-trump-nicolas-maduro-latest-news-greenland-mhd7666w9
Oh no. It might end NATO. You are selling me on it.
NATO is of, literally, zero benefit to the USA. I liked some Austrian politician saying if we took over Greenland, Europe should seize our bases in Europe.
It is hilariously pathetic.
The EU starting wars with north us and Russia at the same time wouldn’t be prudent, since they can barely punch their way out of a wet paper sack on their own.
NATO, of which they are mostly members, could do this. Declare all American military personnel persona non grata in their home countries. The USA could do nothing. We do not have the planes or ground troops to defend 35 bases in 10 countries.
They could restrict .mil flights, close road access, shut off water, and electricity. Base generators will only work for a few days.
Of course, this will all return to the previous normal when the Democrats win the House, the Senate, and the presidency. And all those ice shooters will be perp walked.
What purpose does NATO serve at this point? For the US.
NATO has ironically undermined the willingness and ability of Europe to contribute to their own defense.
Which could be considered a benefit to the US.
Economically, ending NATO would probably collapse the EU economy. Unless those socialist idiots dial back their entire domestic agendas, which I doubt they are willing to do.
Allow me to leave this here, too: America should have allowed NATO to collapse shortly after the collapse of the Warsaw Pact and the end of the Communist Bloc in Europe. America should unilaterally pull out of ALL treaty organizations and most international treaties. Although we should never again be "isolationist" by the usual definition of that concept, our official relations with other countries should be strictly limited.
It will be funny to watch their leftist leaders struggle to pay for their own defense while trying to maintain their nanny state social programs.
The US did it for 40 years.
So why do you think we have instead done the opposite?
It is the US that wanted NATO to move eastwards. Europe wanted a peace dividend.
It is the US that wanted NATO to redefine itself as a global permawarrior killing Muslims everywhere (esp the Middle East) and wanted Europe to engage in that bloodlust even as the internal cost to Europe was to create internal enemies and deal with the refugees the US created. With the exception of France, Europe is mostly post-colonial and has no interest in getting involved outside Europe.
It is the US that wanted Europe to spend ungodly amounts of money on US arms as a metric for their
'defense'permawar. While Europe is told to shut up and do what they're told.It is the US government that has the disconnect with what Americans SAY they want our foreign policy to be - after 60 years of permawar.
You’re just mad because that money wasn’t spent destroying Israel and exterminating the Jews.
Are you trying to get me to support us invading Greenland, Lying Jeffy?
Tomorrow's Democrats for Democracy Headline:
Trump wants to invade Greenland and destroy NATO!
Boehm will have. Follow up article; “Trump has a secret plan to open puppy kicking factories, say anonymous sources”. Anonymous sources being the voices in his head.
“If it weren’t happening, you simply wouldn’t believe it was possible.”
Uh...it's not happening.
Not going to waste time reading what is obviously just another distraction from the Epstein Files or Somali fraudsters or something. But Greenland is the latest leftist shiny object so predictably Reason pukes up thousands of words on the subject. The odds of Trump invading Greenland are a tiny fraction of zero. But but but...he won't rule out military force!!! Why would any president rule out military force in any context? If Russia and China set up bases in Greenland and start lobbing nukes into Boston would anybody rule out military force? This magazine becomes dumber and more irrelevant with every passing day.
And, oh by the way, it wasn't Trump he "quoted".
Pituffik Space Base (formerly Thule Air Force Base) is locate in Greenland, within the Arctic Circle, we *can't* rule out military force.
It's not about ruling out military force. It's the MAGA crowd (pretty much wallow proudly in ignorance) here jerking off to military force against allies - while Trump panders to them. I'm really stunned at how fast the US is shooting itself in the nuts here.
We’re not the ones ‘wallowing in ignorance’ ignorance you leftist retard, if you want to see people wallowing in ignorance, check out any post by Sarc, Tony, Misconstrueman, Shrike, SQRLSY, KAR, and yourself. Over half of you even post links to cites that disprove your premises. Day after day, and never learning a thing.
THAT is ‘wallowing in ignorance’. You may fuck off now.
"Why would any president rule out military force in any context?"
Denmark is a NATO ally. If they're attacked, we defend them. If we're attacked, they defend us. That's the deal. Nowhere, until now, is the possibility of our attacking each other considered.
" . . . After Trump's diet regime change operation in Venezuela, he immediately set his sights on Greenland, with the implication that it would be an armed conquest rather than a voluntary purchase."
And just how long have you heard these voices in your head?
The fastest-warming place on earth—where apartment buildings, hospitals, and homes crumble daily as permafrost melts and villages get washed away by rising seas
Dude, where I live, we call weekly -5-to-25 degree (Celsius) swings and crumbling infrastructure "January".
Consider it payback for the Viking raids.
The hammer of the
godsDonWill drive our ships to new lands
To fight the
hordefew and sing and cryValhalla,
I amwe are comingHow soft your fields so
greenwhiteCan whisper tales of gore
Of how we
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On to Valhalla!!
You realize you have to be dead to get up there...
The descent into full clown show continues unabated.
What a weird
advertisementarticle.Are you retarded, comparing the Coast Guard to a regular Navy is like comparing the Boy Scouts to the SEALs.
In fairness, he claims to be comparing our Coast Guard to their equivalent, not to their regular navy.
Just for the record, "they" aren't the Boy Scouts anymore.
Trump is invading Greenland?
How do rumors get started...
A Recent Book Shows Why Invading Greenland Would Be a Dumb Idea.
Checks notes.....US space force has a permanet base with 200 troops already in Greenland. Somebody is a little late to the party.
Sounds like the actual play is not to invade, but to purchase it from Denmark:
https://x.com/WSJ/status/2008658804993335439
Whether or not they can convince both the Danes and the Greenlanders to agree to this is another question, but it doesn't sound like invasion is a very serious possibility.
And yet Reason is hyperbolic making stupid assumptions rather than honestly relaying and interpreting current events.
Yeah, my understanding is that, for better or for worse, the Greenlanders don't exactly get a say in the matter beyond "If you like your armpit you can keep your armpit." either.
More exposition on how the Danes or Americans could manage it more at arms-length while enriching everyone involved would be more useful than the "OMG! HE"S GOING TO START WWVII(a.)(3.)(Sec. B) AGAIN!"
Denmark has already been invaded by mohammadans. Now they are the Dans and not Danes. Best take Greenland before they lose that too.
Greenland is an afterthought for Denmark.
Greenland would most likely be better off as a US Territory.
Greenland should not be taken by force.
Greenland should declare independence from Denmark.
Greenland should align themselves with the United States, but remain independent.
Definitely agree with your first three.
Maybe agree on your fifth but there are counter-arguments.
Disagree on your fourth because the total population of Greenland is under 56,000. That's too small to support the infrastructure needed to maintain independence. (Vatican City is a special case. The rest in that range are all island nations that are not a model of governance success.)
Disagree on your fourth because the total population of Greenland is under 56,000.
I think the 4th is territorial or legal "I appreciate everything you've done for me, but t's time for me to start to learn to stand on my own two feet." independence, not angsty 14 yr. old "I hate you and I never want to see you again! I hope you die!" before running away to their friend's couch "independence".
But I'm not the boss of Greenland.
How do we "invade" a place where we already have an airbase?
You mean Space Base/Port.
"They are, as Rosen puts it, "open for business but not for sale.""
This is the scary part because who is paying them and for what?
Securing the western hemisphere and Europe is the goal and why Greenland is vital. Commonsense anyone? No need to invade. Denmark will accept a deal for cash and security.
And here it is... "With climate change opening up the Arctic, it may be prudent for America to pay more attention to its northern frontier."
Can't stop beating that dead horse?
"Securing the western hemisphere and Europe is the goal and why Greenland is vital."
And leave Iceland to the Communists? No, Greenland will never be truly secure until Iceland, a far wealthier and strategic island is also firmly under US domination.
As everybody seems to agree that Greenland is not under any real threat from the US, perhaps we can agree that it would be both wrong and stupid to seize Greenland from Denmark, right?
Or is this one of those things like Dreher's merited impossibility, where it won't happen and you will support it if it does?
Yes, ideally Denmark will voluntarily relinquish control.
I also presume that you lot think it's ridiculous for the US military to take account of climate change in its strategic planning.
In the sense that climate change predictions and the leftist claims about why our constellation is changing are utter bullshit.
There really is not much that is unique and original here except our incompetence in expressing it.
One of the real problems of getting involved in both WW1 and WW2 was the notion that we were helping to 'save' colonial empires from their inevitable decline. TR etc wanted us to take over other colonial powers and have our own empire. But of course he spoke softly - supposedly. Wilson was quite clever in voicing post-colonial aspirations about the future - about what an American century could look like. But of course he died and couldn't even get the US to go along with anything.
Now we are in situation where we are defending Denmark's colonial empire. As the aggressive drunk in the bar.
Season 4 of the Danish TV series Borgen (2022) is worth a watch. It's a political drama, substantially shot on location in Greenland about the discovery of oil there and how this puts Greenland and Copenhagen in the center of conflict between China, Russia and the US. There is some military conflict but mostly political maneuvering and background drama about key Greenland figures - a rebellious daughter's decision to have traditional Inuit facial tattoos, etc.
If you haven't spent time as military in the arctic (and I have) it's very hard to understand. I still think about the possibility of being shot and going into shock at 60 below zero. I can't imagine anything more desolate.
Would probably go pretty quick.