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Health Care

Obamacare Subsidies Can't Fix a Broken System. Rand Paul's Bill Could.

The Senate failed to pass a three-year extension on tax credits for the Affordable Care Act. But the only thing keeping it at all "affordable" was a flood of taxpayer money to conceal its true expense.

J.D. Tuccille | 12.15.2025 7:00 AM

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Last week, the U.S. Senate rejected two health care bills intended to resolve the impasse over COVID-19–era Affordable Care Act (ACA), a.k.a. Obamacare, subsidies and, to one extent or another, concerns over the cost of medical coverage. Both were blocked by the near impossibility of advancing anything in that body without 60 votes in support. The Democrat-sponsored legislation would have kicked the can down the road on Obamacare plans' inherent flaws by extending "temporary" subsidies for another three years. The Republican bill was a more serious effort that would bring some reform to the system by expanding Americans' access to Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). But neither is going anywhere right now.

Maybe that's for the best. Sen. Rand Paul (R–Ky.) proposes better legislation that expands Americans' access to HSAs and to group health plans offered by all sorts of organizations across state lines.

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Obamacare is 'Junk Insurance at Outrageous Premiums'

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D–N.Y.) admitted that the Democrats' bill was a "clean three-year extension of ACA tax credits." That's unfortunate, because Obamacare is what the Cato Institute's Michael F. Cannon describes as "junk insurance at outrageous premiums."

From the beginning, Obamacare came with built in subsidies for low-income consumers to conceal the program's expense, and those subsidies remain in place, unaffected by the current controversy. What's at stake now are enhanced subsidies, many for higher-income Americans who couldn't meet the price of the program's rising premiums during the pandemic years—or now, as they continue to soar. The program may have been enacted into law as the Affordable Care Act, but the only thing keeping it affordable was a flood of taxpayer money to conceal its true expense. As costs rise, those subsidies have been extended to increasingly prosperous people.

Those subsidies have also become a target for scammers who, the Government Accountability Office found, enroll "consumers in insurance through the federal Marketplace by falsifying information on their applications," resulting in rampant fraud.

A "clean three-year extension of ACA tax credits" would do nothing more than briefly hide the need to scrap Obamacare and replace it with a reformed healthcare system.

The Republican bill, sponsored by Sen. Mike Crapo (R–Idaho) and Sen. Bill Cassidy (R–La.) took the need for reform more seriously. It would expand access to Obamacare "bronze" plans which are the closest remaining plans to old-fashioned "catastrophic" or real insurance, which cover unexpected costs rather than prepaying for medical care. These would be linked to HSAs with which patients control spending.

As Crapo described it, "Americans could use the permanent, original premium tax credits to purchase qualified bronze plans with a Health Savings Account (HSA) attached, and they would then receive monthly contributions into that HSA, totaling $1,000 to $1,500 annually. Instead of lining the pockets of big insurance companies, like these subsidies, our HSA contributions would help patients pay expenses not covered by their insurance plan."

Dump Obamacare and Make Room for Individual Choice in the Market

Neither the Democrat subsidy extension nor the Republican HSA plan made it through the Senate. Hopefully, that leaves room for an even more comprehensive reform plan put forward by Paul.

"I, for one, continue to support the repeal of Obamacare and replacing it with true free market reforms, not just some rearranging of the current system," the Kentucky senator commented before the vote. "Legalizing cross-state health care buying co-ops and letting everyone have an HSA is the only truly conservative option."

Like Crapo and Cassidy's bill, Paul's legislation would increase access to HSAs by removing income caps. HSAs wouldn't be contingent on specific types of insurance plans, as they now are. It would also raise HSA contribution limits from $4,400 for individuals and $8,750 for families as of 2026 to $24,500. That's money put away without paying taxes on it—a significant advantage in terms of saving not just for medical expenses, but for retirement since HSA money can be used for non-medical expenses once you hit age 65. Even before then, Paul's bill would expand what HSAs could cover.

Just as importantly, Paul's legislation would expand Association Health Plans to allow as he puts it "any membership organization" to sponsor employer-style health coverage "creating new coverage options through groups such as rideshare services, online retailers, wholesale clubs, credit unions, churches, and other associations that bring people together." You could get medical coverage from any group you cared to join and keep it even as you switched jobs. And such health plans could be purchased across state lines, freeing consumers from the limited options available in some states, as well as the constricting requirements imposed by many governments that drive up costs.

The Bill Proposes Reforms Touted by Health Care Experts

Those are precisely the kinds of reforms recommended over the years by health care experts. In 2019, Cato's Cannon called for "large" HSAs to give Americans increased control over their healthcare expenses. "With these changes, the tax code would no longer force workers into health plans they don't want. Workers would be free to remain in their employer's plan; to buy ObamaCare plans; to buy ObamaCare-exempt plans that make coverage more secure for the sick; or just to save their money tax-free for future medical expenses," he commented at the time.

And both Reason contributing editor Veronique de Rugy of the Mercatus Center and Curtis Dubay of the Heritage Foundation have called for extending the advantage in terms of tax benefits granted to employer-sponsored health plans to other plans and to allow coverage to be purchased across state lines. People could then take and leave jobs as they please without any impact on their medical coverage.

"Consumers should have the ability to choose how to meet their health insurance needs in a free market for insurance," wrote Dubay in 2013. "Taxpayers should benefit from a more efficient and affordable system for helping those who need health care but cannot afford it. Above all, patients, with their doctors, should make their own health care decisions free from government interference."

Continuing "temporary" Obamacare subsidies for another three years won't improve Americans' healthcare, and it will barely hide the rising costs and growing inefficiencies that government meddling has created in medicine. Paul's bill would be a good step toward real reform that would expand both access to health care and Americans' ability to make their own decisions.

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  1. Uomo Del Ghiaccio   15 hours ago

    I don't know enough about this specific bill, but considering that Rand Paul is promoting it give it a huge leg up. There are a few items that I disagree, but also understand that governing does require compromise to get more of what you want versus than the nothing you get without compromise.

    This is a common problem with libertarians who want to be "PURE", but never accomplish anything. Liquid Zulu is the latest example, but Jacob Hornberger is another. In a perfect world I might agree with their purity, but we live in an imperfect world. I would rather move the needle, than simply complain and hold out for the pipe-dream of a perfect scenario that will swoop in and save us all.

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    1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   14 hours ago

      We must remove government involvement in healthcare.

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      1. ruffsoft   7 hours ago

        We must remove the parasitical middle men, with CEOs in the past having made over 100 million in a year, flying private jets with corporate art collections, while contributing zero to medical research or treatment. Medicare for all would save trillions and cover everyone by eliminating the parasites. Overhead for Medicare is about 2%, for private corporations 18-20% That wasted money should be used to care for the poor, the disabled, everyone. Of 35 advanced nations, all have universal healthcare at a cost half of the US. The UK, with a national program, and a population healthier and living longer, spends 1/3 of what is spent per person in the US. Those who advocate less for more money are either middlemen or brainwashed or paid off by the middlemen.

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        1. JoeB   6 hours ago

          That system won't work without doing at least two things first, at least 10 years before implementing above: First, no more medical malpractice claims. They don't exist in single-payer environments. Lawsuits and insurance add double-digit percentage costs to healthcare. Second, college + medical school + residency free with financial support for doctors. They start ready to practice with no debt, and remove the expectation of high income. Will our quality of care suffer? Of course; NHS in GB has months/years waiting for elective procedures. You get what you pay for. Enjoy!

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          1. Sam Bankman-Fried   6 hours ago

            Every purchase of a good and service in America includes the costs of someone else’s health care expenses…that Bible you just bought includes a flaming transvestite’s anti-AIDS pills that cost $10k a month but his copay is only $20/month!! Lolololololololol!! I love America!!!

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        2. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   6 hours ago

          Nobody works without a profit motive or the expectation of getting paid.

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        3. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   5 hours ago

          We must remove the parasitical lefty shits with fantasy lives.
          Fuck off and die, commie shit.

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        4. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 hours ago

          Ok. Now do actors, athletes, artists, and musicians. How about their wealth?

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    2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   14 hours ago

      A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.

      Vs

      If you cant fix it in on step it isnt worth doing.

      They will never understand things like showing small cuts arent the end of the world to encourage more cuts. Ozempic libertarianism is here.

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      1. Sam Bankman-Fried   6 hours ago

        JizzeAzz, Trump was already president and transformed Obamacare into Kushnercare!! Obamacare is dead…long live Kushnercare!! 😉

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  2. LIBtranslator   14 hours ago

    Considering the source, look for Christian National Socialist girl-bullying somewhere about page 600 of Randal's pet law. Recall that every law--especially in a looter Kleptocracy--is an offer to shoot the disobedient and doubters.

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    1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   13 hours ago

      Comstock!

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      1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   11 hours ago

        There’s a Comstock Park about five miles from where I live. Maybe we can arrange to have Hank buried there. Perhaps by early next month.

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  3. Mickey Rat   14 hours ago

    That is not the way the supporters of Obamacare want to fix health care. They want a full government takeover.

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    1. MollyGodiva   14 hours ago

      Single payer system is how you fix health care. It is a model that is being successfully used in all other peer countries. No one has said why the US is so special that it can't work here.

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      1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   13 hours ago

        No it isnt.

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      2. Stupid Government Tricks   12 hours ago

        Name any other country with single-payer which is "successful". Include your definition of "success" and show the related statistics which confirm that your chosen countries are successful.

        You won't, because (a) there are none, and (b) you're all hat and no cattle.

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        1. Sylvie1   10 hours ago

          Some are reasonably successful, but those countries provide basic coverage for all only. Most of their citizens purchase supplemental private plans as well.

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          1. Stupid Government Tricks   8 hours ago

            In other words, they aren't the single payer MollyGodiva dreams of.

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          2. WellRedMan   7 hours ago

            Go take a look at the tax rates of those countries. And most do not have a large permanent underclass that the U.S. does. Any policies which do not strictly limit the period of coverage for any plan paid for by the government will eventually fail. People have got to understand that they can not depend on the government to pay for their needs for their entire lives. The welfare state is not only immoral, but unethical. The foundation of liberty is that a man is secure in his property.

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            1. Neutral not Neutered   6 hours ago

              The US tax payers pay for over 40% of people's health care. Illegals as well on top of this.

              91% of health care in the US is subsidized.

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        2. Neutral not Neutered   6 hours ago

          Canada has great health care.

          Of course if you are needing a knee replacement because you are so overweight or were injured playing baseball, it could take some time.

          Life threatening situations, you are taken care of with the best care available.

          Heart attack, cancer, etc the care is top notch. And you are not bankrupt when the care is complete including the new boobs if breast cancer was your diagnosis.

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      3. Get To Da Chippah   12 hours ago

        Then let the states enact it if it's so awesome. One would think NY, CA, MA, VT, IL and so forth would have set up single payer systems. Strangely every state that tries stops because they realize there aren't enough tax cattle they can milk to pay for it.

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      4. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   11 hours ago

        Walz +9

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      5. Its_Not_Inevitable   10 hours ago

        "Single payer system is how you fix health care."

        Are you volunteering?

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      6. GroundTruth   9 hours ago

        Which ones?

        UK? Please wait in line, the doctor will see you in 12,872 hours.

        Canada? What color sheets would you like for you euthanization?

        Cuba? Antibiotics and clean needles? You don't need any of that!

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        1. Neutral not Neutered   6 hours ago

          Sadly people are full of fucking shit which stops them from thinking clearly. Keep rationalizing your lies away...

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          1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   5 hours ago

            Yes, indeed you are.
            Must be wonderful up there:
            "Would you cross the border for health care? 42% Canadians say yes in poll"
            https://globalnews.ca/news/10322678/health-care-canada-us-ipsos-poll/
            Oh, and anecdotally, the Dione quintulets were born in the US, since Canada didn't have any beds available.

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      7. sarcasmic   8 hours ago

        Countries that do this effectively tend to be the equivalent of states with regard to area, population, and ethnic homogeneity.

        That makes a difference.

        I think that states might effectively model some of these systems. Only because of the small scale.

        Scaling them up to a national scale is a different matter, and probably doomed to fail.

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        1. JoeB   6 hours ago

          You mean like CA considered a few years ago, before collapsing of a heart attack at the $400 billion/year price tag?

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        2. Sam Bankman-Fried   6 hours ago

          Actually every state already manages a health care program and the state employees aren’t in the state managed program. So Vermont could transition to single payer within 5 years if they simply began in year 1 by transferring state employees and college employees into the state managed Medicaid program. And then every year transfer more residents into the system. No new taxes are necessary as all of the revenue necessary to fund the program is already being spent on health care in the state.

          The fact Vermont hasn’t done it is all of the evidence one needs to know Bernie Sanders is a con artist. Creating a new program when the state already manages a program just means liberal Vermonters prefer the status quo and having a BCBS card makes them believe they are superior to other people.

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      8. Pyrrho   7 hours ago

        Actually, there are plenty of peer countries that are multi-payer: the Netherlands, France, Germany, Israel, and the Nordic countries, for example.

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      9. TJJ2000   6 hours ago

        Do you need to visit a mental institution?
        Do you have a problem learning from experienced reality?

        How many "government healthcare" plans were going to make it 'affordable'?
        How 'affordable' is it.

        UR completely R E T A R D E D.
        Course how smart could anyone expect you to be believing a 'Gun' was going to make you healthy?

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      10. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   5 hours ago

        Single payer system is how you make health care a total disaster.
        Fixed it for you, now fuck off and die, asswipe.

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      11. damikesc   4 hours ago

        Canada had to allow private insurance as their Supreme Court ruled the public system violated rights. It is far from successful by any rational measure.

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        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   30 minutes ago

          Depends. If "successful" is measured by the number of patients treated compared to those who died waiting for treatment, quite a few were, indeed, 'treated'. The others, well...
          We know a Cdn MD who is, seemingly, now a permanent US resident. His mother is (was?) still in Cd, and when she needed treatment, he bragged about his connections; her wait time was zero.
          If you read anything about Red China prior to the opening, (and Neutral not Neutered seems totally ignorant of that 'free' medical system, among other issues), you'd know that you'd better bring a sizable gift unless you've already established guanxi with the provider.
          Not really sorry, Neutral not Neutered, the world operates on self-interest and you seem to be confused about that.

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    2. jimc5499   13 hours ago

      The current situation isn't a screwup, it's by design. If a Democrat had been elected in 2024 the extension would have passed, by hook or by crook. Since the Dems didn't win, they are trying to use it against Republicans.

      By the way, Obamacare isn't broken, it has gone exactly the way that it was intended to go.

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      1. sarcasmic   11 hours ago

        The current situation, insurance through employers, was not by design. It was a result of FDR's wage controls.

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        1. JoeB   6 hours ago

          I completely agree with the arbitrary nature of employer-sponsored health care. We need to go back to everyone paying for their own insurance. Well-stated, sarcasmic!

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          1. Sam Bankman-Fried   6 hours ago

            Rubio had the Republican plan that did that in 2016…in 2017 Republicans realized Rubio’s plan cost more than Obamacare which is cheap because it’s mostly a Medicaid expansion and Medicaid has the lowest reimbursement rates. But Republicans still made enough changes in 2017 that Obamacare is now Kushnercare as the Kushners created Oscar Health specifically to take advantage of the ACA Exchange subsidies which is the less popular aspect of the ACA. The only state in which the ACA Exchange is popular is Florida because of the demographics and Rick Scott did a great job implementing it in 2014.

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  4. MollyGodiva   13 hours ago

    Here is what will happen if this passes. The insurance companies will pick on very red state and pay them to pass very weak medical insurance laws. The companies will then sell only plans from that state, use every trick in the book (legal or not) to deny claims, and the state regulator will be almost non-existent. This will not "fix" anything and make the problem worse.

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    1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   13 hours ago

      Idiot

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    2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   13 hours ago

      This is retarded seeing as government is giving them tens of billions yo have shit coverage.

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      1. TJJ2000   6 hours ago

        Try almost $2,000,000,000,000 or $12,000 per working adult.

        The federal government spent $1.9 trillion on health care programs and services in fiscal year (FY) 2024
        https://www.kff.org/medicaid/what-does-the-federal-government-spend-on-health-care/

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    3. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   11 hours ago

      Walz +8

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    4. WellRedMan   7 hours ago

      Government is the principle cause of the healthcare problem, not the solution.

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      1. TJJ2000   6 hours ago

        Isn't it amazing how 'stupid' (MollyGodiva) repeats itself endlessly?
        This is a 'solution' ... Whoops. Nope. Just made it worse.
        This is a 'solution' ... Whoops. Nope. Just made it worse.
        This is a 'solution' ... Whoops. Nope. Just made it worse.
        This is a 'solution' ... Whoops. Nope. Just made it worse.
        This is a 'solution' ... Whoops. Nope. Just made it worse.
        This is a 'solution' ... Whoops. Nope. Just made it worse.
        This is a 'solution' ... Whoops. Nope. Just made it worse.
        This is a 'solution' ... Whoops. Nope. Just made it worse.
        This is a 'solution' ... Whoops. Nope. Just made it worse.
        This is a 'solution' ... Whoops. Nope. Just made it worse.
        This is a 'solution' ... Whoops. Nope. Just made it worse.
        This is a 'solution' ... Whoops. Nope. Just made it worse.
        This is a 'solution' ... Whoops. Nope. Just made it worse.
        Endlessly.

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    5. JoeB   6 hours ago

      As long as there are no laws preventing other insurance providers from building a better mousetrap (insurance plan), the market should fix that problem. This is a libertarian site, right?

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    6. GKHoff   6 hours ago

      You know less than nothing about insurance regulation. It is and always has been illegal for an ins Co to offer a policy I any state that has not been approved by that states insurance department.

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      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   5 hours ago

        MG is a low watt bulb; assertions absent any support.

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        1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   56 minutes ago

          Tony’s drag queen persona.

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          1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   28 minutes ago

            But posting from Beijing?

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  5. Truthteller1   12 hours ago

    HSA's are not the answer and are never going to gain significant traction in this country. It runs counter to how people think about health insurance.

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    1. GroundTruth   9 hours ago

      Maybe it's time that people learn to think about health insurance as insurance, and routine healthcare as a personal responsibility.

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      1. Stupid Government Tricks   8 hours ago

        Amen! But statists hate the idea of people having any responsibility for themselves. Next thing you know, they'd be thinking for themselves.

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  6. jonnysage   11 hours ago

    People arent going to put money in a HSA. So we will be right back where we are, people demanding I pay for their care. There is no solution to takers.

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    1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   11 hours ago

      Sure there is. If you have the stomach for it.

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      1. jonnysage   9 hours ago

        The majority doesnt, so there is no solution. Not one that preserves the union.

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        1. TJJ2000   6 hours ago

          The union existed longer w/o Gov 'Gun'em'down healthcare than with.
          In fact; The union is failing now more than ever before.

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        2. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   54 minutes ago

          Not yet anyway.

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    2. JoeB   6 hours ago

      There is a solution: Tell them to F off.

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      1. TJJ2000   6 hours ago

        Or teach them that *EARNING* is part of Getting.

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        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   23 minutes ago

          Ran onto a Sowell vid a bit back. He made the argument that (post LBJ) young black males focused nearly 100% of financial activity on consumption, and nearly none on wealth creation.
          Pathetic.

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  7. sarcasmic   11 hours ago

    One of the biggest problems with health insurance is that if it's through and employer then the premiums are pre-tax, but if someone buys health insurance on their own it's post-tax.

    Evening it out would be a big help. Either tax the employer premiums or allow non-employer premiums to be untaxed.

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    1. Its_Not_Inevitable   10 hours ago

      Hmmm...so increase taxes or decrease taxes. Tough choice.

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  8. Lester75   10 hours ago

    Pre-existing conditions. That's the part that needs regulation or else all the voters with diabetes and high blood pressure and asthma and high cholesterol and obesity and various types of cancer and pregnancy (yes pregnancy is a 'pre-existing condition') won't reward any politician who votes for a policy because their insurance will go absolutely through the roof.

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    1. sarcasmic   8 hours ago

      Conditions become pre-existing when people change insurance policies because they change employers.

      If insurance wasn’t tied to employers, they would simply be conditions.

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      1. Alberto Balsalm   8 hours ago

        ^this. Severing the tie between work and health care would be a great starting point to try to fix the broken system. That and passing a law that health providers must tell you, or estimate, what you'll be charged if you ask.

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      2. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   52 minutes ago

        You actually said something halfway intelligent.

        Walz -8. (That means much less retarded then Walz)

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  9. Moderation4ever   10 hours ago

    The Republican plans all seem to center on the idea of breaking up the insurance pool. It is true these plans can make insurance cheaper for portion of the pool, but others will see their rates rise to unacceptable levels. The basic principle of insurance is to get enough participants that the rate is reasonable for all participants. Rates are going up not because of subsidies but because technology offers more medical options for purchase and the aging population is using more medical care.

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    1. damikesc   4 hours ago

      You're aware that, sans massive government funds going to insurance companies, the current system has everybody's costs too high to pay, right?

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  10. GroundTruth   9 hours ago

    How 'bout complete deregulation of health insurance AND a $10K per person per year subsidy for health costs that can ONLY be used to pay for health care or insurance? Buy insurance, or save it in an HSA, but that's what you get. If you want more, open your own wallet. If you gamble on self coverage and loose, on your head be it.

    The cost would be about what we wind up paying now, but individuals could get what they need (does a 70 year old gay man need OB-gyn access, or does a 10 year old need Alzheimers drugs?)

    One bit of regulation to enact to keep this "transparent": providers need to show the real cost they charge and as "common carriers" must have a uniform price regardless of who is paying the bill.

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    1. Stupid Government Tricks   8 hours ago

      Those two ideas are in conflict. You can't deregulate it at the same time you regulate the subsidies.

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    2. ruffsoft   7 hours ago

      $10, 000 a year would let those whose medical bills are 50,000 or 80, 000 die?
      The Rand bill does not address the current crisis of 22 millioin having their premiums double or triple and leaving, as a result millions without any coverage. First address the crisis: first put out the fire. Then addresss structural issue: the solution all other 34 advanced nations have found is universal healthcare, which costs 1/2 to 2/3 less than our current system. Paul's bill does not address the crisis nor does it offer a way to save trillions by eliminating the middleman. It's a bogus solution. I heard him talk about it on Meet the Press...and he had no answer for how to kee 22 million people from losing healthcare in 2 weeks. 34 other advanced nations have universal healthcare for all at half of less of what we pay....no middleman, no profits for corporations that contribute nothing but take money needed for care. The solution is obvious; but the parastitical insurance companies own the Republicans so they refuse to do what would cover all and save trillions. What kind of idiot opposes that?
      "Private insurance overhead is ~12–15% of total premiums; Medicare’s is ~2–3%.

      Eliminating most private insurance overhead could save hundreds of billions per year, depending on coverage and payment design." And everyone would be covered, while saving hundreds of billions each year.

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      1. DesigNate   3 hours ago

        Fuck off, slaver.

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      2. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   47 minutes ago

        When you assholes passed Obamacare, my private health plan went away. My premiums instantly more than doubled, and for significantly inferior coverage with much higher deductibles.

        None of you Marxist faggots gave a shit, so spare me your phony empathy for anyone. You and I both know that you don’t really have any.

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    3. Piru   6 hours ago

      Nobody ever wants to talk about the vertical integration in the healthcare delivery system. It exploded under Obamacare and is the true reason for the explosion in costs. Everything is owned, from the pharmacies to the hospitals to the practices by complicated conglomerates. Every little thing or service is charged and recharged administrative overhead by each of the layers involved.

      Couple that with guaranteed income from the taxpayers and the only wonder is that healthcare costs are not higher.

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    4. Kemuel   6 hours ago

      The demand-side 10k subsidy would artificially increase the cost of healthcare just as surely as Obamacare subsidies have. Individuals should cover their own costs. I’m not saying you shouldn’t help others pay their medical bills, but it shouldn’t be a government mandated wealth transfer. Most (all?) Hospitals have charity care programs that don’t get their contributions at gunpoint.

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  11. Pyrrho   7 hours ago

    Rand Paul's plan implies something that needs to be made explicit: the question is not who pays for health insurance, but how medical care is to be financed. Insurance companies of course want to have a monopoly of medical care financing, and they spend lots of money shaping the public narrative to assume that it's simply a matter of who pays the premiums, but there are plenty of other, more satisfactory ways of financing health care. Consider the medical networks run by fraternal organizations described in David Beito's From Mutual Aid to the Welfare State, or the consumer health cooperatives in Israel.

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  12. brady949   6 hours ago

    HSAs are awful too. No one has the courage to do this, but you have to throw out our current insurance system in its entirety and start over. It is simply not repairable anymore. Since that's not going to happen, I expect this house of cards to collapse in the next 5-10 years and then we're all stuck with some dogshit government option like California's earthquake insurance system.

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  13. Dkveragas   6 hours ago

    Essentially what Paul is promoting is what was in existence before corporate and government health insurance took over.
    Groups as diverse as churches to social clubs would pool money from members to cover others health bills and pay it directly to the doctor or hospital, no middle man insurance skimming and plundering.
    You should be able to choose only the coverage and procedures you want, not be forced Into a pool including expensive things you will never need.
    Why should a 70 year old male be paying to cover a 20 year old females birth control, any more than she should be subsidizing his prostate medication? And no one else should be paying for elective, glamour based plastic surgery or "gender affirming care", least of all for minors. Such procedures drive up overall costs via supply and demand.
    HSA should not have caps nor be taxed unless taken for non medical based procedures or expenses (transportation, lodging for parents of minors, food etc. would be covered). You are not going to use it as a tax exempt vacation, wedding or early retirement fund.
    The costs of any and all procedures should be clearly listed and agreed upon beforehand so patients can shop around, no more surprise billing or outright gouging.

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  14. TJJ2000   6 hours ago

    And to think I only paid $75 for oral surgery just last month.
    Thank goodness there isn't Gov-Gun 'Dental Healthcare' for all.

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    1. Neutral not Neutered   6 hours ago

      BS, $75.00 bought you a nitrous filled balloon maybe.

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      1. TJJ2000   6 hours ago

        "A simple tooth extraction costs between $50 and $500."
        https://www.authoritydental.org/tooth-extraction-cost

        It's amazing how 'affordable' stuff gets when it is *EARNED*.
        ...because 'Guns' don't make sh*t.
        Any store that gets armed-theft-ed daily will always be massively expensive.

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      2. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   41 minutes ago

        A lot of actual health care gets a lot cheaper when you just pay cash. I’ve often negotiated lower prices for dental work, imaging, etc..

        Government involvement in healthcare, just like education, has made things stratospherically expensive.

        I can’t help but think this could all be fixed without too much difficulty if we just got rid of the democrat party and threw all the Marxists in prison.

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  15. Piru   6 hours ago

    HSA are just restricted savings accounts. Because the spending is restricted, there are less withdrawals. HSA are a godsend for banks and financial institutions and stupid for humans.

    If you need to manage your expenses by setting aside some money, do that. You do not need an HSA.

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    1. Neutral not Neutered   6 hours ago

      Paying for your medical bills 100% tax free is bad for people? WTF are you on?

      Paying ridiculous insurance premiums and then paying out of pocket co pays and deductibles is stupid.

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  16. Neutral not Neutered   6 hours ago

    The best fix for the US health care is to push back the insurance companies pay for all system.

    Catastrophic coverage with HSA is the best concept.

    Insurance premiums exploded with the added cost of convenience.

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    1. Sam Bankman-Fried   6 hours ago

      I don’t know which group is worse—Bernie supporters that whine about single payer or Republicans that whine about catastrophic insurance and HSAs. What is the point with whining about things over decades?? Move on with your life, try using your mouth to ask a girl on a date or come out of the closet and buttfuck a dude or do pretty much anything other than whining about health insurance!!!

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      1. TJJ2000   5 hours ago

        Yeah; Take your Gov-Gunned 'armed-theft' like a man! /s

        Maybe Republicans are SICK N TIRED of leftards STEALING plans.

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        1. Sam Bankman-Fried   5 hours ago

          Thank you for promoting anti-vax disinformation and getting white trash killed!! You are a great American!!!

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          1. TJJ2000   5 hours ago

            "kill the white trash" ... from the "I'm not a racist; you are" self-projecting leftard.

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            1. Sam Bankman-Fried   4 hours ago

              I’m America First…but being America First I want fewer violent drug addicted white trash skanks like JD Vance’s mother.

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            2. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   38 minutes ago

              Executing Marxist rash like SBF/Shrike would do wonders for this country.

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  17. Neutral not Neutered   6 hours ago

    Do people not understand that purchasing health insurance through your employer is A, subsidized by gov as it is a tax deductible expense and B, the insurance companies lump businesses together and your premiums are based on the worst health outcomes not the healthy folks?

    Large companies self administer their insurance plans with accounts like HSA's and purchase catastrophic insurance for their employees. Then charge the employees as they desire and call it a benefit.

    Some large companies charge as much as what United Health Care or other major insurance companies would and they offset the employee premiums with the profits or they keep them to offset the cost to the company.

    America has a health insurance cost problem, not a health care problem.

    Especially when 40% of the population get free health care from the gov and do not pay any taxes to begin with.

    Might as well go single payer and reduce the costs of health care completely. But that means removing the insurance companies except as secondary for things like ambulance, prescriptions, massages, chiropractic, etc.

    The largest pool available brings the lowest prices. Ask any insurance company or self administering company.

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    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   5 hours ago

      The lack of a profit motive delivers waste and fraud.

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    2. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   36 minutes ago

      I would much rather disband the democrat party, round up all the Marxists, and criminalize all Marxist behavior instead. Then it will be easy to solve healthcare.

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  18. imppress   3 hours ago

    The concept of health care help is an important question to ask and settle.
    There will be those who suggest you should only get the health care you can pay for.
    EMTALA undermines that by mandating "stabilization" of any patient showing up at an emergency room.
    EMTALA needs to get repealed if we don't want subsidies.
    What of unconscious patients. Do we impose medical debt on someone who'd rather die rather than owe the hospital his salary for the rest of his life?
    Do banks want to subsidize the health care of their debtors if it means they'll be cash positive?
    Do employers cover their critical personnel, but leave the admin and maintenance staff on their own?
    I'm guessing Reason readers are uninterested in suggesting anyone pay for health care except the patient
    I could guess that expensive treatments would indeed come down in price to the point where volume equilibrium would maximize profit.
    Can voters be convinced that life is only as valuable as the value that life can pay to society?
    Is there interest in saving the lives of babies of indigent parents?
    I would think free markets would have rather predictable answers to my questions. Are they answers the public wants to agree with?

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    1. Sam Bankman-Fried   1 hour ago

      Health care spending must have some relationship to productivity…but ultimately if a bum breaks his arm it has to get fixed. But the bum probably won’t take advantage of all of the health care opportunities that an MD for Goldman Sachs will take advantage of.

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    2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   16 minutes ago

      "...I'm guessing Reason readers are uninterested in suggesting anyone pay for health care except the patient..."

      I'm certain you are a slimy pile of lefty shit who assumes personal responsibility is a 'right wing' claim.
      Fuck off and die, asswipe

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