Tradwives Are Feminists, Too
Tradwives are fighting the cultural stigma that still remains around being a homemaker. That makes them damn good feminists.
When Millennials invented the girlboss, Gen Z responded with the tradwife, complete with homemade Cinnamon Toast Crunch cereals and BMIs of 18 after popping out a half-dozen kids.
It makes them easy to hate.
Typically conservative and Christian, these women have traditional marriages, embracing the idea that it's OK for a woman to stay home, take care of their kids, and tend to the hearth.
It's a mindset, a lifestyle, but also an aesthetic that traffics in 1950s nostalgia.
Tradwives are also magnets for hate and judgment. "I'm sorry, 50 years ago was not a place I ever want to be back," quipped The View's Whoopi Goldberg, mocking these women's embrace of the older ways of structuring homes and marriages.
The critiques aren't totally wrong: Tradwives are sometimes performative, a made-for-social-media phenomenon that can look a little ridiculous. The most successful ones are the most extreme, curated, and out of touch. The more modest ones, who traffic in budgeting tips and great recipes, garner smaller followings and less fame.
But this cultural movement warrants celebration, not contempt. Tradwives don't want domestic servitude. They want the roles of wife, mother, and homemaker to count as respectable options for the 21st-century woman.
Tradwives are feminists, too.
The cultural stigma around being a homemaker traces back to the 1963 book, The Feminine Mystique, by Betty Friedan, which launched the second-wave feminist movement. Women were told to pursue "no greater destiny than to glory in their own femininity," she wrote. They had been "taught to pity the neurotic, unfeminine, unhappy women who wanted to be poets or physicists or presidents."
She compared deluded housewives to people marching into concentration camps, "suffering a slow death of mind and spirit."
She disparaged women who "baked their own bread, sewed their own and their children's clothes, kept their new washing machines and dryers running all day."
The women's liberation movement succeeded in giving women more choices, but it also sparked a cultural backlash that limited them.
Friedan was worried about women being stuck at home. Now, 55 percent of moms with kids at home work full time, and many women work more hours than they say they want.
Friedan was worried about our birthrate "overtaking India's," yet America's fertility rate is now in free fall.
"In one cohort, Neo-traditionalism is going to feel like a LARP to some extent, no matter what you do," New York Times columnist Ross Douthat tells Reason. "So the question is, are you creating something that your children can look at and say, OK, I'm Liz Wolfe's daughter. This is like a model of how a marriage works, how churchgoing works, and how having kids works that I can carry forward as an inheritance. And maybe that's impossible and modernity just dissolves and dissolves but that, that has to be the goal."
Douthat worries that the digital age is one of extinction, in which many of our traditions and values get killed off, but that survival depends on "intentionality and intensity."
"True traditionalism doesn't make it," adds Douthat. "You see this again in cultures that are still traditional and have sort of tried to put up bulwarks against the modern world. Like Islam in the Islamic Republic of Iran is not doing that well. Catholicism in Poland is not going that well. So you have to have some kind of reinvention of the traditional that belongs fully and that it belongs fully to the 21st century."
Tradwives are taking part in the process of reinvention that Douthat alludes to: They're deliberately retro, evoking an earlier era they believe was too thoughtlessly discarded.
But they aren't trapped at home, barefoot and pregnant. Many help support their families with part-time jobs, while also running their households and raising their children.
They embrace social media to bring about a revival of the domestic sphere. They engage in just a little bit of performance to make the point clear.
Of course, being forced onto the housewife track was stifling for some women. Today's tradwives don't talk much about that, and have a certain showiness to them that rubs people the wrong way.
Hannah Neeleman, also known as BallerinaFarm, is the most famous tradwife. She's a Mormon mother of eight who lives on a farm in Utah. But her husband is the heir to an airline fortune, and Neeleman is frequently criticized for how she's really just a performer, not actually living out the homesteading lifestyle she claims.
She's following in the tradition of Martha Stewart—who calls herself "the original fucking tradwife"—who ushered in an era of lavish homemaking in the '80s and '90s, which was all about spectacle.
But other tradwives truly follow in the footsteps of the '50s housewives, who cared about thrift, and traded budget tips for how to get by, shaped by their memories of wartime rationing.
"We had very little, and we took the whole paycheck out in cash and we put it in the cash envelopes so I knew I could not go over this gas amount," says Shaye Elliott of the Homemaker Chic Podcast, waxing poetic about leaner days early in her marriage. "There was almost an elation that came from that discipline and that skill development."
"You need to control your money, or your money controls you," she adds. "It doesn't matter if you have five dollars or $5 million."
These homemakers are reacting to a world in which it's hard to scrape by on just one income, in which childcare options have grown more costly, and in which the expectations placed on parents have ballooned out of control.
Tradwife culture is a corrective for a world in which staying at home with small kids can be alienating, since fewer mothers make this choice than in decades past. There's a lot less built-in community.
When children get older, parents and kids find that hostile design and stupid rules govern their neighborhoods and cities, making it hard for parents to give kids the independence they seek. This is made harder when you don't know your neighbors.
Today's intensive parenting culture expects so much oversight and involvement; the many moms who have entered the labor force are somehow still expected to spend a ton of time actively parenting.
"Labor force participation of women has gone up, but actually parenting time has also gone up and that's at the expense of leisure time, more or less, and to some extent at the expense of housework," Brown University economist and ParentData researcher Emily Oster tells Reason. "My parents were never there. You know, it was like 1980. Not in a bad way! It's just like, I came home and then after dinner, we were like outside, whatever, watched some TV. We did our homework. This thing of like, I'm gonna spend my afternoon driving my kid to the like four different soccer tournaments and supervising this and that, I think that that is really different in terms of how people's time is being used."
Tradwives are rebelling against this dominant parenting culture. They're more likely to choose homeschooling, to have a lot of kids, and to be involved in church communities. They don't necessarily look down on women in the workforce—many of them embrace the side hustle—they just made a different set of choices.
The rise of the tradwife also speaks to something deeper: A common lamentation about the decline of the village, a sense that we've lost the built-in support systems that made parenthood and homemaking fun and pleasant and social.
The fact that women are doing so much more paid work has predictably led them to spend much less time on unpaid work, such as organizing church dinners, potlucks, or other community events for the very young and very old.
Lawyer turned writer/homeschooler Ivana Greco points out that while "we recognize the value that homemakers brought to the working world when they left the home," we haven't "fully internalized what we lost." What's vanished are "the community networks that wove us together."
"Without homemakers to knit us together, society is falling apart," writes Greco.
Tradwives know that building and maintaining a sense of community is hard work. "If you want a village," writes the sexual-politics thinker Louise Perry, "you have to be willing to act as villager." That means accepting and embracing your obligations to others, even when it feels like an infringement on your independence.
In our rush to free ourselves of obligations and commitments to become fully self-actualized, Friedan-style, we forgot how much dependence so many stages of life entail.
Tending to the hearth and building tighter social bonds are not dumb or performative acts. The world portrayed by the tradwives is an aspirational one, not because of the outward trappings—the beautiful mothers, well-dressed children, $30,000 AGA stoves, freshly-baked bread—but because it showcases truly meaningful things that are worth bringing back into fashion.
Friedan denigrated these pleasures, critiquing the "mystique of feminine fulfillment" defined by "pretty pictures of the American suburban housewife, kissing their husbands goodbye in front of the picture window, depositing their station wagonsful of children at school."
She, and the third-wave feminists who followed her, failed to recognize that some women really did feel fulfilled by this lifestyle. They underestimated how many communities were brought closer together by the unpaid work done by these homemakers.
The tradwives have brought us full circle, restoring glamour to a lifestyle that the women's liberation movement belittled.
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Where my bitches at?
They're more scarce and expensive since Trump got the border under control.
Sarc is still face down in a pool of his own Horne and vomit, while Jeffy is finishing off his latest 55 gallon drum of Ben & Jerry’s. And I suspect Shrike is furiously jerking it to child rape videos,
There is nothing more attractive to a high value man than a mother raising her and her husband’s child.
Well at least until that high value man trades her in for a newer model. Something flasher and more fun than a frumpy housewife.
you sound bitter. did this happen to you?
While I am an atheist I was brought up in the Catholic religion and I still respect the idea that a person only marries once. Unlike our current President.
That’s nice. Even years long gone, people didn’t always marry once. May I point out all the pre-Reformation nobles and royals known to divorce?
Also Catholicism is not a religion unto itself, it’s a sect of Christianity (being raised and confirmed that way myself), alongside Greek Orthodoxy and others.
How do you deny the possibility that the universe was created by some kind of greater entity?
Honest atheists are called agnostics.
Agnostics are people unable or unwilling to make a decision. They are trying to have it both ways. While I differ with deists I appreciate that they are making a choice.
Weak, and small minded. So expected from you.
I suppose that depends on what your standards for knowledge is. At one extreme, everyone honest should call themselves agnostic on everything as it's not really possible to know that you know anything. If you take a more scientific and pragmatic view, then people know lots of things with reasonable certainty and most people are happy to call that knowledge. In that sort of view, I don't think it's unreasonable for someone who looks at scientific knowledge and the evidence of their senses to conclude that there is no almighty god in the same way they conclude that there is no Zeus or Easter Bunny or whatever. Are Christians who deny the existence of the Olympian gods dishonestly being selective atheists?
Are Christians who deny the existence of the Olympian gods dishonestly being selective atheists?
Yes.
Because while there is far too much evidence that the Christian god does not exist as described, there is precisely zero evidence that the Olympian pantheon shares that status.
Well at least until that high value man trades her in for a newer model.
I believe we celebrate that as individuals exercising 'choices' and eschewing 'traditional' roles.
If you'd let him have both, he wouldn't have had to trade you in.
Bo the libertarian akita says women should consider supporting their men having a Sunday girl that does anal.
I don't see the difference between that and hiring a cleaning lady, a cook, or an au pair. As wives get older, they can't do everything themselves anymore.
no high value man would trade in.
Does that statement apply to Trump?
Sorry your ex traded you in for something better.
That probably wasn’t a difficult decision.
I wouldn't look to the president for relationship advice.
Meet your second wife:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJEAGd1bQuc
Do tradwives do butt stuff?? Asking for a friend. 😉
"Tradwives Are Feminists, Too"
ENB getting ready to throw hands.
Stable households cut into the available talent pool for sex workers.
Stripper poles hardest hit.
ENB also hard hit.
Ut not in the preferred manner.
Yeah, that would be controversial to many, if not most, factions of feminism. You have that quote from Simone de Beauvoir which said to the effect that women should not be allowed to choose to be housewives because too many women would do so.
I would have taken that career option had it been available to me. Hanging out at home with the kids would have been much more pleasant than most of the jobs I've had.
Yup.
Shrike would also like to stay home with some kids.
Assuming you're a man, had you done that, your wife would have left you in a minute.
When I was young, it was difficult for a woman to get a job that would have paid enough to allow that.
Film it and release it on the website as the short docu-indy film: Lizbians
Debate moderated by FoE: Fisting Lizbians.
It could snatch a few awards.
The critics would be agape.
They would be tribbing over themselves to offer praise.
Lickety split!
(Not just the name of a dyke bar!)
What are our thoughts on leveraging technology to allow women to be a girl-boss in the morning, trad-wife in the afternoon, get choked by your vampire partner in the evening, and not hear babies crying at night?
Once again, fair-play feminists-talking-past-masculinists here: Vlad III, Voivode of Wallachia, is ticking off all the boxes.
Women enjoy being impaled by high value men.
I suppose between... both sides... the Ottomans absconding with children under Devshirme and Christian Monarchs putting Turkish/Ottoman children on stakes around the cities as warnings... lots of women weren't too put upon having to hear their babies crying at night.
But I'm probably an idiot and the real tyranny was 1950's-style Conservatism and lack of access to abortions.
Sounds like the life of upper-class Victorian women.
'Feminists' on tiktok/Reddit/YouTube : 1. "And her 1950s husband comes home from work, and if everything isn't perfect, he beats her!" 2. "She's a pick-me!" 3. "Her husband rapes their daughter!"
Feminists on Reason: "They are us - there's no escaping. We are perfectly reasonable women."
The era of the tradewife is over. A few remain but there is no real going back. These women that chose that path are just a variation on the Amish. My grandmothers were tradewives but in an era when their was little choice. Both trained as teachers, but could not work after marriage. Their work was critical to the family in an era when keeping house was a full time job. Cooking was a an all day job. In addition to three meals, there was bread baking, and canning. My father like to point out that they had Hamburger Helper when he was a kid. It was my grandmother's canned tomatoes and a box of elbow macaroni. There is nothing wrong with a woman choosing to stay at home but it will only be a small percentage and society needs to focus on the majority of women who will be working spouses.
The way things are going, the majority of women will be unmarried and raising children on public assistance, or be single and childless crazy cat ladies. Maybe they're already the majority—don't have the stats at my fingertips.
Before the divorce, sarc’s ex wanted him to tradewives.
The role of psychiatric drugs in second-wave feminism has been under-discussed.
Who can be a tradwife when current avg cost of living across the US requires 2 incomes ... or more ? For the modern equivalent of tradwife life, a woman would need two husbands.
Be a high value woman, find a high value man, and stop thinking Madison Ave promoted distractions = necessary lifestyle.
Does it, though? There's a lot you can do for less or no money if there is someone at home to take care of things.
Not if you can’t cook, hire cleaners, hire an au pair, and think 3 months a year on holiday in the Mediterranean is typical.
Sorry. Those are jobs Americans won't do.
We can fix that. Just get rid of the democrats. Prosperity ensues.
>>Tradwives are fighting the cultural stigma that still remains around being a homemaker.
cultural stigmas are a trap. extend middle fingers upward. be you.
"But this cultural movement warrants celebration, not contempt. "
It's not a movement. It's isolated individuals posting on social media. Now, if they banded together, showed some good old fashioned pluck and solidarity, and demanded and received wages for all the unpaid cooking, cleaning, baby sitting they do, maybe we could respect them, or even fear them. As it stands they warrant our pity if not our contempt.
not a fan of done-up chicks in Stepford dresses?
What's not to like? Just don't ask me to celebrate a non-existent cultural movement.
ah. word.
a non-existent cultural movement.
You mean like Christian Nationalism?
It's more an ideology than a movement. Let me know when you see tens of thousands marching on Washington under the banners of Christian Nationalism. Then you may be able to convince me of the existence this 'movement.' Until then, it's bloviating god botherers fueled by fake AI twitter accounts.
I'm pretty sure there are a lot more people just living that kind of life than there are Youtube "influencers".
Why do I suspect that trad wife critics are just feminist puritans: angry that somewhere some women are enjoying life?
Childless crazy cat ladies triggered.
You, not unlike JD Vance, are wrong about our crazy childless cat lady citizens.
Is Uuuushaaaaa a tradwife?? Btw, what ever happened to good American names like Ethel and Gladys?? Why do these foreigners have to have names with 5 a’s and 10 u’s??
False consciousness. They aren't really enjoying it. And as everyone knows, their husbands beat them and rape them every night.
feminist puritans
Correcting the foregone or presumed retcon (again): they would be more the clergy of The
CatholicFeminist Church.The Puritans specifically split from The Catholic Church on a point of contention that (however poorly enforced) The Church considered any sex not related to procreation to be a sin while The Puritans felt that enjoying sex, even premarital sex to a degree, was fine as long as it served or didn't disrupt the family unit. The issue wasn't people enjoying sex, the problem was that childbirth was inherently risky and lots of women with lots of different fathers could die and everyone else who had nothing to do with any of it would be put upon to figure out how to support any/all of the kids.
"everyone else who had nothing to do with any of it would be put upon to figure out how to support any/all of the kids."
Hardly. Kids have long been a source of labor, especially on the farm, from shortly after they've mastered the skill of walking on two legs. That's still the case in a good part of the world. (The shit holes.) You need to get out more and see for yourself. These just so stories of yours are leading you down the garden path.
Just another [WE] Identify-as *special* gang building.
...whos real existence sits in Gov-Gun stealing/suppress those 'icky' people for their benefits.
A predictable consequence of entertaining [Na]tional So[zi]al[ism].
If these influencers monetize and have sponsors then they are working.
More power to 'em but a job is a job.
AI bots work for free.
I'm not up on the details of TradWife specifics, but the broad movement seems to me a rejection of what feminism evolved into.
While I have other criticisms of feminism the specific thread TWs reject is that work should be placed above all else. While work may be rewarding enough for some to make that worthwhile, the truth is that most work sucks for both men and women. Almost all jobs have either high stress or shitty pay, and many have both, which feminists seem to understand except they blame everything on "The Patriarchy" as a way to reconcile this disconnect between their priorities and reality.
It's good to see that people are starting to reject the narrative and embrace whatever works for them based on their own experience.
They haven't rejected work. They've rejected paid employment. Instead they cook, clean, sew, raise children, and manage the household. All of these activities are work.
And if their spouse is providing them with room, board, medical care, and personal expenses, they are getting paid.
" they are getting paid."
Just like the 'slaves' in the antebellum (pre civil war) South.
You're an idiot.
Yes, but I'm an Unpaid Idiot.
Call me a tradiot. Or trad idiot if you're not into that whole brevity thing..
Tradwives can be feminists as long as they are not doormats for their spouses.
The tradwives who willingly add the 'obey' to the marriage vows and literally do 'obey' are doormats at best and domestic slaves at worst.
A woman who obeys? No such thing.
Either you don't understand the meaning of the words "vow" or "slave", or you do and you're just mendaciously dishonest, or both.
Given that you only seem to be concerned about the domestic servitude the tails side of a fair coin, rather than whether the whole coin comes up, on average, 50/50 (assuming it's internal motivations and desires can be known to us in such a fashion), it seems a lot like you're mendaciously retarded.
And if we can't know the fair coin's motivations in such a fashion (maybe one side of the coin prefers to land on its face, or tails up, more often), then you can fuck right the hell off like a mendacious retard should.
Freshly baked bread is great, and dirt cheap. You don't have to be a trad wife to make it. Or a wife at all.
Pick up on the Trump-voting Mutterkreuz mom--here to sell Christian National Socialism to libertarians.
Tradwives are feminists, too.
No, they're just normal.
It doesn't have to be an identity politic. Nor should it. Nor should we be trying to force it to become one. Why do we have to pigeonhole them into some kind of group?
Why can't they - and their husbands and children - just be regarded as normal people who live normal lives with little-to-no concern about the outrage du jour and the compulsion to become activists for something.
Libertarians should LOVE tradwives and HATE feminists. Tradwives just want to happily and quietly live their lives and enjoy marital and familial bliss: "Leave us be, live and let live."
It's the feminists who want to stomp and piss and karen all over that: "Live our way, or you're a Handmaid. Or Eva Braun."
"But this cultural movement warrants celebration, not contempt. Tradwives don't want domestic servitude. They want the roles of wife, mother, and homemaker to count as respectable options for the 21st-century woman."
Excellent point, Liz.
"But they aren't trapped at home, barefoot and pregnant. Many help support their families with part-time jobs, while also running their households and raising their children."
Ugh, you were so close, Liz.
Is it possible for a woman to be a trad wife if she does all the cleaning, cooking, sewing, chauffeuring, child care, home schooling, shopping, accounts keeping while holding down a FULL time job? Or are trad wives only the slackers who do all the above with a part time job?