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History

America Is in a Golden Age. Are We Headed Toward a Roman Ending?

"Once you have an ever-expanding system of entitlements that you can't afford, that's often the beginning of the decline and fall," says historian Johan Norberg.

John Stossel | 11.19.2025 1:35 PM

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We media types obsess about America's problems.

But we should acknowledge that today, life in America is better than life has been anywhere, ever.

For most of history, the norm was hunger, disease, illiteracy, slavery, and war.

There were a few exceptions (from some of those problems)—so-called golden ages, Ancient Athens, Rome, the Renaissance, etc.

In our new video, historian Johan Norberg, author of the new book Peak Human, looks at the miracle of the Roman Empire, which at one point extended throughout most of Europe, and parts of Africa and Asia.

Ancient Rome inspired our form of government, a republic with a system of checks and balances.

"There is a reason why we have a Senate and they meet in the Capitol," explains Norberg. "We borrow these ideas from the Romans."

The Romans were ferocious warriors, but so were many at the time. The Romans were able to create an empire because they tried new things.

"They gave people among the subjected the ability to have a second career in Rome," says Norberg. "They made them citizens and allowed them to do business, to have a career in the military. Some of the subjected people could even end up being emperors!"

"The conquered—some became emperors?" I ask.

"The son of a freed slave eventually ended up on the throne of Rome. That tells you something about the power of meritocracy and of openness. You'll get the best brains if you're open to more people."

Rome thrived because the Romans took ideas and talent from all over the world.

They didn't do it to be kind.

"Tolerance was a weapon, often literally a weapon," Norberg explains. "They got their swords from the Spaniards, ships from Carthage, new business models from other groups. Because Rome was such a huge integrated free trade area, you could source the best material, the best technology from any part of the empire. Therefore, they could become the masters of the world."

Of course, eventually, Rome fell.

There were many reasons. Disease, barbarian invaders, and one reason that modern societies should fear: entitlement spending.

Norberg says Rome collapsed because of: "bread and circuses. The emperors wanted to become popular by handing out free stuff to people. Originally, this started small. You just handed the very poor means of subsistence. But it was popular, so the group that lived on the public's expense grew larger all the time. Emperors complained about this. Everyone from Caesar and onwards said, 'We've got to reform this system because it means that we have fewer people working and more people consuming.' But no one succeeded."

It reminds me of the unsustainable promises we see today: Social Security and Medicare in the U.S., absurd retirement promises in other countries—welfare plans going broke.

"Once you have an ever-expanding system of entitlements that you can't afford," says Norberg, "that's often the beginning of the decline and fall.…Romans could conquer the world, but they couldn't do entitlement reform."

Instead, Roman emperors did what modern governments do: printed more money.

Actually, since they used coins, not paper money, they devalued their currency by putting less gold and silver in each coin.

"Inflation was much worse than barbarian invaders," says Norberg. "The emperor blamed greedy businessmen—something that we hear today. He imposed price controls on 1,000 goods. But obviously, it all failed. Prices kept rising and undermined the Roman Empire completely."

Today, America is one of the richest and most inventive countries in the world. Will our "golden age" continue?

"One of the most worrying signs in history is you begin to take wealth and comfort for granted," says Norberg. "You forget what made it possible to begin with. I see a lot of worrying signs right now. We have a backlash against things that keep our society innovative, like trade, migration, unsustainable debts….But that doesn't mean that we're doomed…It's not automatic, this decline and fall phase. You can unleash new waves of innovation and progress. There is still time. We can still save this golden age."

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  1. Quicktown Brix   2 months ago

    Well, at least Canada isn't teaming with restless German tribes. We have that going for us.

    **checks last name** Oh crap. They're already here.

    1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 months ago

      Many other restless tribes are here as well.

      1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

        We desperately need to purge our Marxists.

        1. charliehall   2 months ago

          What Marxists?

          1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

            Have you looked in a mirror lately? But seriously, Mamdani and all close supporters, The Squad, Bernie, Social Democrats in general, antifa insurrectionists…….. do I really need to go on?

            1. Marshal   2 months ago

              Ezra Klein pretends he isn't one in public but effectively all Dems are in private. Their conflict is not the eventual goal which is only cosmetically different. Bernie and Mamdani believe government should outright seize the means of production while Klein and Warren believe government should simply tell businesses what to do as if they owned them and call it "regulation".

              The only meaningful conflict on the left is whether they should pursue their goals incrementally through the bureaucracy or if they should simply start seizing.

              1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

                It’s going to be like peeling layers off an onion. The parties I already named plus a number of others. Also, Soros and others funding their treasonous insurrection activities. That will reveal more, and so on.

                Ultimately, they all have to go. senator Joe McCarthy was exactly right, and the failure to cleanse America of the reds 75 years ago has lead us to where we are today.

                No more.

          2. Bertram Guilfoyle   2 months ago

            "What, me worry?"

  2. Chumby   2 months ago

    The US passed the Golden Age and is currently in the Age of Decadence. For all previous empires, what follows is decline. The $38T debt suggests this is an irreversible process.

    1. SQRLSY   2 months ago

      If only we could CASH IN on the endless founts of hatreds and xenophobia of Scumby the Scummy Chimp-Chump and Shit's endless armies of fellow-travelers, and Servants, Serpents, and Slurp-Pants of the Evil One, we would NEVER run out of resources!!!

      Sad to say, history does SNOT show us ANY examples of long-term successes built upon hatreds and xenophobia!!! Twat cums around, goes around!

      (WHEN will humans EVER learn this, and learn it correctly?)

      1. Chumby   2 months ago

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    2. Eeyore   2 months ago

      We are in the blue hair age. Next up is the alopecia age.

      1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 months ago

        I guess we will find out who has skin in the game.

        1. Chumby   2 months ago

          The Dem party has skin in SSqrlsy.

  3. SQRLSY   2 months ago

    Orange Caligula is ON these problems!!! Pogrom-programs against the illegal sub-humans and always MORE AND MORE tariff-taxes will SOLVE these problems!!!

    (Rome fell because they were SOOOO stupid ass to believe in meritocracy, and allowed ex-slave illegal sub-humans to becum Emperors, is twat I hear from Our Dear Orange Caligula!)

    1. Bertram Guilfoyle   2 months ago

      Alec Baldwin, is that you?

      1. Chumby   2 months ago

        Alec has far greater emotional control and maturity than SSqrlsy.

        1. SQRLSY   2 months ago

          Now we have lectures about maturity from Scumby the Scummy Chimp-Chump, who posts grade-school crude porn-pics to PROVE Shit's PervFected DEEP Thoughts!

          Shit fits right in there with an Orange Caligula who expects Noble Peace Prizes for starting unprovoked trade wars, killing peaceful travelers on the high seas, and abusing the illegal sub-humans, and also even citizens SUSPECTED OF being illegal sub-humans!

          1. Bertram Guilfoyle   2 months ago

            ...in response to grade school level posts from you, sarc.

            1. SQRLSY   2 months ago

              Yes, every TRUE Tribalist already KNOWS that anyone opposing Orange Caligula (Bleeder of the peons), or Shit's PervFected Policies, MUST be at the grade-school level!

          2. Chumby   2 months ago

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            1. SQRLSY   2 months ago

              How mature... For a 5-year-old, if that!

              1. Chumby   2 months ago

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            2. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

              I’ll bet he wishes he had a way to eat ASCII right now.

  4. Stupid Government Tricks   2 months ago

    The US is roaring down the road, and somewhere up ahead is a runaway truck off ramp. We don't know how far ahead it is.

    1. If we roar on past, a fiscal reality cliff is the next hazard. Hyperinflation? Bankruptcy and no more borrowing? No one knows.

    2. We could take the emergency off ramp, bust up the suspension, flatten some tires, maybe even knock the truck on its side. It would be one helluva shock, but probably survivable, and the truck might be repairable, or we might have to hitchhike home.

    3. Or someone could recognize the emergency off-ramp in time to cut spending and slow down enough to stay on the road.

    My guess is some combination of 2 and 3. We've got too much momentum and history to easily cut spending, but cutting some of it would make the emergency off-ramp more survivable.

    1. Eeyore   2 months ago

      USD 2.0

    2. Rossami   2 months ago

      I fear that we're already past option 3.

      1. Marshal   2 months ago

        I don't think we are in the sense we could salvage this if we tried. But since one party wants the crash and the other will become a permanent minority if they try to address it we're not going to fix it.

      2. Vernon Depner   2 months ago

        We are. No viable process exists to significantly cut spending.

    3. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

      If you want to cut spending then there can be no more democrat party, and the Marxist smuts be purged. Because it can’t happen until they’re gone.

      It needs to happen, now.

      Case closed.

      1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

        He was wrong on tariffs so he will continue to rage against the one person actually trying to deregulate and cut spending.

        1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

          I just disregard most of what he has to say. Anyone that doesn’t look at American exports as an important part of the economy shouldn’t be taken seriously, and he doesn’t.

          All he cares about is getting cheap shit from our enemies, like Red China. When we should be working at choking off their foreign investment mentos and decoupling our economy from them.

        2. Zeb   2 months ago

          Is the federal budget smaller yet than in the previous year? If not, I'm still at "I'll believe it when I see it".

      2. charliehall   2 months ago

        There isn't a Democrat Party in the US. Never has been.

        And there are no significant Marxists in the US.

        1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

          Yet you vote for them every election. You’re a Kamala voter, right?

          Seriously, what a bizarre fucking thing to say.

  5. Eeyore   2 months ago

    John Galt will get the blame when the American experiment finally comes to an end.

    1. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 months ago

      Who is John Galt?

      1. charliehall   2 months ago

        You have been blessed to have lived a sheltered life.

        1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

          You don’t know the quote, do you? Maybe read something other than DNC talking points for a change.

        2. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 months ago

          Whooosh!

  6. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 months ago

    "We have a backlash against things that keep our society innovative,"

    I would put individual and private property rights at the top of the list.

  7. docduracoat   2 months ago

    Where to start with this drivel?
    Yes, the Emperor’s debased the coinage.
    That is not why the Roman Empire fell.
    There was unlimited illegal immigration of Germanic tribes that exceeded the empire’s ability to absorb them.
    The Goths were driven into the empire by the expanding Huns.
    The mal treatment of the Goths by Roman officials, including the enslavement of Gothic children in exchange for dog meat for the people to eat was the last straw.
    The Gothic wars ended with the death of the Emperor Valens and the Goths were given Thessaly inside the empire.
    Gothic troops then fought as allies of the Roman army- but as Gothic units, using Gothic ways of war.
    Later Gothic commanders revolted against the waste of these troops which eventually led to Odoacer deposing the last Roman Emperor. Romulus Augustulus

    1. Sam Bankman-Fried   2 months ago

      The dollar was weakest in 2008 when we were engaged in two asinine wars and importing massive quantities of oil and about to import natural gas from Qatar. Fortunately Obama defeated the vile McStain and during the same years American frackers exceeded their wildest expectations. Thanks to the leadership of Obama and Trump and Biden we are stronger than we’ve been since the 1990s…but Trump’s erratic behavior in his second term could undermine all of the progress we’ve made since the 2008 low point.

      Also, illegal immigrants helped deliver a record number of apartments and hotel rooms in 2023/24…that’s good for America!

  8. Square = Circle   2 months ago

    All of these USA=Rome analyses flounder in failing to make any distinction between the Roman Republic and the Roman Empire.

    They are not the same thing.

    The "golden age" that Stossel is referring to is the golden age of the Empire, i.e. the second century AD, and the "fall" that he's talking about is the fall of the (Western) Empire.

    If we're mapping our history onto Roman history, we are no ways near that. Like, no ways near.

    We are more roughly in something like the post-Punic Wars period where we have suddenly emerged as a world power and our republican ideals are proving incompatible with the management of an empire. We are not yet formally an empire with an emperor, but we've been heading in that direction for a while. Trump is something more like a Gracchus than an Honorius, and the fact that he's in power rather than dead is a significant departure in our timelines.

    The fall of the Republic, which is likely imminent, will probably be followed by a period of relative domestic prosperity as we continue to drain the rest of the world in order to keep our underclass fed and non-belligerent.

    This was already happening in Caesar's time - i.e. the daily bread, a Roman citizen's right to be fed by the government. The "Fall of the Empire" didn't happen until literally centuries after this program was instituted.

    Further, following Gibbon, we still have this tendency to think of the collapse of Roman power structures in England, France and Spain as the "Fall of the Empire," ignoring that the Roman power structure had moved east to Constantinople precisely because of the relative irrelevance of England, France and Spain, all of which were drains on resources to try to maintain control over. The Empire continued another thousand years after the sack of Rome, which hadn't been the capital even symbolically in a century.

    To be clear: I'm not advocating anything other than the acknowledgement that "are we about to fall just like Rome?" is a dumb question that doesn't have a relevant answer.

    1. Sam Bankman-Fried   2 months ago

      Bush stealing the 2000 election and then failing to prevent 9/11 and then invading Iraq while mismanaging Afghanistan all the while shipping millions of manufacturing jobs to China is clearly the inflection point.

      1. Square = Circle   2 months ago

        If you mean the inflection point on the way to Empire, I'd have gone with the Spanish-American War and the accidental conquest of the Philippines.

        1. Sam Bankman-Fried   2 months ago

          Clinton achieved a surplus and that was still with another decade before boomers started turning 65 in 2011. The Bush Tax Cut and Bush wars and Bush economic policies such as shipping manufacturing jobs to China and investing in Qatar for natural gas are why we find ourselves with almost $40 trillion in debt.

          1. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 months ago

            The reason we find ourselves almost $40 trillion in debt is because of the central bank and it's unbacked money. Government and private borrowing has been out of control since the 70s.

    2. charliehall   2 months ago

      "They are not the same thing"

      They were the same thing until Diocletian in the late third century. Every Emperor kept the nominal Republican institutions intact. Consuls continued to be elected each year. The Senate continued to meet.

      This is exactly what is happening in the US. Trump is Emperor in everything but name, immune from the law, with the US Congress playing the role of the powerless Roman Senate.

      Note that Roman Emperors were often quite popular, as Trump used to be.

      1. Square = Circle   2 months ago

        They were the same thing until Diocletian in the late third century.

        No, they weren't. Prior to Augustus they didn't have an Emperor, nor do we. I understand that the Senate continued to exist in name, but no one was under the illusion that they had any authority over the Emperor, even symbolically, and consuls were "elected" from candidates chosen by the Emperor. Caligula once famously nominated his horse as an open and deliberate insult to the whole sham of a process.

        Trump is Emperor in everything but name, immune from the law

        Not even close, but the executive of the US has been evolving in that direction for about a century. He's close to having the power of a Republican consul, but not quite that even.

        As a thought exercise, maybe you can come up with an example of a Roman Emperor that was subject to Senate investigations and impeachment attempts? Augustus would have executed the lot of them.

  9. psmoot   2 months ago

    If you want to depress and scare yourself more, read "The Storm Before the Storm" by Mike Duncan. He goes into how the generation before Julius Caesar eroded unwritten norms which were critical to the operation of a epublic. It's scarily similar to the last decade.

    1. Square = Circle   2 months ago

      Unwritten norms like "don't declare yourself dictator and murder your political enemies?"

      Note that, per my point above, this period you're talking about is roughly 250 years prior to the golden age of the Roman Empire that Stossel is talking about.

      1. SQRLSY   2 months ago

        Hang Mike Pence! Execute General Milley!!!

        (This kind of shit shits right into the picture here!)

        1. Chumby   2 months ago

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      2. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 months ago

        I do wonder if things might not move a bit faster these days. What with modern transportation, communication and war making.

        1. Square = Circle   2 months ago

          Fair.

  10. aronofskyd   2 months ago

    We're not Rome, which required a slave economy to function. We can afford every government benefit Americans currently receive if several things happen. First, tax all income from wages and investments to pay for social security. Second, go to a single payer health care system funded the same way medicare is funded now. Third, eliminate deficit spending but declare the national debt in default and refinance it with interest only payments for the next 100 years. Fourth, fix the tax code by changing the rates to what people should actually pay based on all income and eliminate most deductions and credits except for child care.

    1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

      Yesh, that’s stupid.

      Next!

      1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

        And speaking of stupid, a retarded Marxist grey box appeared beneath my comment. It should be boiled in a barrel of acid. Preferably while it’s still capable of screaming.

    2. Sam Bankman-Fried   2 months ago

      This century has been a slow motion train wreck beginning with Bush stealing the 2000 election. To have one of our two major political parties diarrhea the bed after eating street food in Delhi the way Republicans have could never have been predicted after having two great presidents in Reagan and Clinton along with two above average in Carter and Bush Sr.

      1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 months ago

        Zzzzzzz

        1. Sam Bankman-Fried   2 months ago

          I’m so sorry for your loss…I know how much Dick meant to you. I am sure you have Dick in your thoughts. I know you will always love Dick!

    3. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

      Because labor participation doesn't go down as government welfare goes up. Communists are retarded.

      1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

        It’s shame they aren’t also good communists. Although that can be arranged.

      2. TJJ2000   2 months ago

        ^BINGO +100000000000.
        Any BS excuse they have to make to support MORE 'armed-theft'.

    4. Rick James   2 months ago

      We're not Rome, which required a slave economy to function

      "America's economy will not survive if we remove or eliminate the cheap labor of illegal immigration"

      1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 months ago

        “If we deport all the people in the country illegally, I’m worried, quite frankly, who will wipe our asses?”

        > some AWFL dem congress critter.

    5. See.More   2 months ago

      We can afford every government benefit Americans currently receive if several things happen

      Fuck off slaver!

    6. Marshal   2 months ago

      If this were true the Europeans would currently be able to afford their entitlements. Instead we see national strikes for more entitlements and deficits nearly as large as ours even though they free ride on us for ~5% of their GDP.

      But socialists believe there's always more of someone else's money to seize.

    7. Square = Circle   2 months ago

      We're not Rome, which required a slave economy to function.

      The history of the last several hundred years has proven that no society "needs" a slave economy to function. Slave economies are dying out, for many very good reasons. Rome had a slave economy because all economies everywhere at that time were slavery based.

      tax all income from wages and investments to pay for social security

      What does that even mean? Tax all wage and interest income at 100% to cover social security? Does that mean that everyone gets social security as their only income? And you expect people to live on that? If not, how do the people not even getting SS eat? And if 100% of wages and interest are taxed just for SS, what covers the rest of the government benefits you say can be covered this way?

      Or are you just saying that all wages and interest income should be taxed some level as if that's not already happening?

      go to a single payer health care system funded the same way medicare is funded now

      Medicare is funded now by having people who aren't on Medicare subsidize people who are. How is that going to work if everyone is on Medicare?

      eliminate deficit spending but declare the national debt in default and refinance it with interest only payments for the next 100 years

      1) It's funny that you say "eliminate deficit spending" as if that's just a thing that you can just do at the same time that you keep SS and Medicare. Do you have any inkling how large the current deficit is? You should look it up. It's truly mind-blowing.

      2) Default and refinance and pay interest only? What do you think this is, a mortgage? A credit card bill? You're talking about literally trillions of dollars and the credit of a sovereign nation engaged in the highest levels of spending in human history, and a bond debt that itself forms a significant portion of the world's stored value. Do you have even the foggiest inkling of a concept of what it means for the US to default on its sovereign debt? No? Didn't think so.

      1. Marshal   2 months ago

        [tax all income from wages and investments to pay for social security]

        What does that even mean?

        He means eliminating the income cap on wages the tax is applied to, and also apply it to all income instead of just W2, self-employment, and active partnership income.

    8. Chumby   2 months ago

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      1. TJJ2000   2 months ago

        Times 10. People like that are exactly why we're declining.

  11. MWAocdoc   2 months ago

    One thing that is certain: history NEVER repeats itself. And if you define one aspect of a "Golden Age" as peace, the Pax Romana was more peaceful than the Pax Americana and more honest. Although we don't call ourselves the American Empire, we have had troops fighting in many other countries for all of the current century and most of the last century. We call it "Making the World Safe for Democracy" or "The Global War Against Terror" or "The War on Drugs" or "Protecting America's Vital Interests" but in the end it's just Empire Lite.

    1. Sam Bankman-Fried   2 months ago

      We invaded Iraq for oil which is actually a pretty good reason.

      Americans are nutz about drugs other tobacco. Weirdest thing ever for anyone to believe adults will go crazy if drugs are legal when alcohol is the most dangerous drug and it’s perfectly legal. Cocaine isn’t even a big deal and Trump is murdering foreigners over it. Oh, and fentanyl is only dangerous because it’s very difficult to get the dosage correct and so if it were legal that wouldn’t even be an issue. So by making fentanyl illegal we are making it dangerous and we’ve killed more young men than we lost in WW1 just by making it illegal. Everyone knows marijuana is innocuous but Republicans just want it illegal to make liberals’ angry. I read X accounts of Republicans that smoke cigars that complain about having to smell marijuana smoke a few seconds every couple weeks…oh the humanity!!

    2. mtrueman   2 months ago

      "but in the end it's just Empire Lite."

      I read about the chronicling of the decline of one of the ancient Egyptian empires. It was never clearly recorded, except implied in a series of questionable military victories of declining importance, closer and closer to home.

  12. AT   2 months ago

    But we should acknowledge that today, life in America is better than life has been anywhere, ever.

    It's not 2008 anymore, John. The decline has has been happening for quite some time now.

    The last fading embers of the Golden Age died out somewhere between a stained dress in the oval office and the five or so days after 9/11 where the American Left went from "Never Forget" to Norm MacDonald's joke.

  13. Wizzle Bizzle   2 months ago

    *We have a backlash against things that keep our society innovative, like trade, migration, unsustainable debts...*

    Hmmm. I assume we have a syntax issue, and that he doesn't actually think unsustainable debts keep our society innovative. But this is Reason, so one never knows.

    And while I'm cleaning up his mess, I feel compelled to explain to him the backlash isn't against "migration". Unless he means all the Californians who migrate to functional states and run them into the ground. In which case, yes, many of us oppose that migration. But what you actually mean is a backlash against "illegal immigration", which is a specific, undesirable type of immigration, which is itself a subset of migration. But way to use the left's wording to make your ostensibly libertarian point.

    1. mtrueman   2 months ago

      " Unless he means all the Californians who migrate to functional states and run them into the ground."

      Wasn't it migrants from non functional states like Oklahoma that ran California into the ground? California was doing fine until then.

  14. mtrueman   2 months ago

    "For most of history, the norm was hunger, disease, illiteracy, slavery, and war."

    Rome had all of that, and more, with the exception of illiteracy. Papyrus from Egypt was cheap and readily available. Also widespread graffiti on public spaces. Book stores, scriptoriums, etc. Literacy was common and expected among the middle classes. The bureaucracy depended on it. Rome fell when they lost control of Egypt and the source of papyrus dried up. Europe fell into the dark ages when expensive vellum became the medium of communication and literacy plummeted.

    I don't think there is much point in delving into ancient history to see what the future holds. 2011, year the Syrian civil war started is a better place to start.

  15. TJJ2000   2 months ago

    Mostly Excellent article by Stossel as usual.
    Except cue the stupid; Taxed imports =/= embargo's.

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