Trump Is Right: That BBC Documentary Misquoted Him
His lawsuit against the BBC is likely frivolous, however.
Fresh off his legal victories over several U.S. media companies, President Donald Trump has now set his sights on the British Broadcasting Company (BBC). Trump has threatened to file a billion-dollar lawsuit against the BBC for allegedly defaming him.
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For a variety of reasons, the prospect of Trump winning such a lawsuit is extremely doubtful. But not for nothing, the BBC clearly made a mistake, and should apologize and correct it.
Here's what happened: The BBC aired an episode of its program Panorama that included coverage of Trump's speech to his followers at the Ellipse in Washington, D.C., on the afternoon of January 6, 2021. The BBC aired only a few seconds of his hour-long speech, and included the part where Trump said: "We're going to walk down to the Capitol and I'll be there with you…and we fight. We fight like hell."
Unfortunately, that was a bad edit. In actuality, Trump said the first part, "we're going to walk down to the Capitol" and "I'll be there with you," about 54 minutes before he said that second part, "and we fight. We fight like hell." For a closer look at the differences, The Guardian has a useful side-by-side video.
Journalists often shorten quotes in order to save time, though the intention should never be to alter the meaning of what the quoted person was saying. In this case, the edit is definitely problematic. By moving up the "we fight like hell" clause, the BBC made it sound like Trump's very specific call to walk to the Capitol also included a call to "fight like hell," which could be understood as a call for violence.
This meaningfully alters what Trump had said, in a manner that comes much closer to meeting the legal definition of incitement. As Reason's Jacob Sullum has explained, speech that merely advocates lawlessness is protected by the First Amendment unless it is likely to provoke lawless action and is also "directed" at achieving such a result. Trump's instructions to the January 6 mob may have been reckless and unwise, but he did not direct his followers to engage in lawless action—indeed, he said they should march "peacefully and patriotically." Juxtaposing the "fight" clause so that it is uttered right after his call to march has the effect of making Trump's comments much more sinister.
Given that the U.S. House of Representatives impeached Trump for inciting an insurrection—the Senate acquitted him—editing the speech in this manner was a highly relevant error. Note also that the edit was seamless—too seamless, really. If the BBC had spliced the clips together but displayed time stamps that explained these two remarks actually did not occur back-to-back, the outlet could have covered itself. But no one casually watching the documentary would have noticed that 54-minute jump forward in time.
The BBC should apologize and fix the error. It should not have to shell out a billion dollars, however.
For one thing, Trump has threatened to bring the suit in Florida rather than the U.K., since the statute of limitations has already expired in the latter venue. According to The New York Times, however, it's not clear whether the documentary ever aired in the U.S. Moreover, libel law in the U.S. is friendlier to the defendant than laws in the U.K., owing to our stronger First Amendment protections. Trump would have to demonstrate "actual malice," which would mean proving not just that the BBC made a mistake, but that the mistake stemmed from a conscious desire to wrongly harm him or a recklessness so pathological that harm should have been anticipated. In other words, the wrongness has to have been deliberate, or effectively deliberate. Lastly, Trump would have to show that his reputation actually suffered as a result.
Those are high bars to clear, and rightly so. Media outlets should not be sued out of existence every time a political figure is mad at them. But when journalists make mistakes, as they did in this case, they should own up to it.
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Frivolous? Lol.
There is no Sullivan v NYT in the UK, they have some serious libel consequences
Should have continued reading.
Also Lol @ “misquoting “
Thats what I laughed at. Move a sentence from an hour before to after the end of his speech. Just a slight misquote.
Misquoth the raven, Nevermore.
It wasn't a 'bad edit'.
It was a deliberate splice at the exact point to make it appear that those words came right after his first statement.
And, for it, the BBC should burn.
Yeah Robby desperately tries to make the case that this just maybe was some kind of oversight. It's obvious to anyone who watched the clip that this was actual malice. But journalists are super special and tiny minds like Robby's think they can get us to ignore our own lying eyes. Remember Robby, instead of making an ass of yourself you have the right to remain silent.
Robby is far from the worst Reason has to offer, which really only makes this take that much more absurd. The claim that the BBC doesn't have malice towards Trump (or Jews, or whitey, or anything right of Bernie) is childish. It should be beneath him.
"Unfortunately, that was a bad edit."
And the george floyd riots were "mostly peaceful" because only a quarter of the rioters set stores on fire and looted, the other three quarters of them just stood around recording it on their cellphones...
No, it was an intentionally malicious edit - they didnt just "edit out" 56 minutes of his speech due to time constraints.
Do they need to apologize? Yes, bigly. Do they need to terminate everyone involved in approving that edit? Absolutely. They literally broadcast a lie, a big, big lie, on an important topic and can not just slide by saying, "oopsie".
Lets not forget, this program was broadcast on a network OWNED by the UK government, and if the UK is going to lock people up for posting things they don't like, they can ABSOLUTELY be held to a higher standard than most people.
They should lay Trumo £100 million (Doctor Who money).
Soon to be Truth Social tv network, if the Alex Jones case provided a guide for damages.
Is there any level of lie sold by reporters that you wouldn't defend? Editing for a concise answer is one thing but editing to say something different is lying, and here a fraud on the public. If you defend this, and calling a suit frivolous is defending it, I must ask what knowing lies have you peddled as truth?
It was an honest mistake, they do this stuff all the time and never been sued before. It's only because of Trump that this is a big deal since he sues everyone.
Not an honest mistake but absolutely SOP and yet Robby and the rest of the urinalists wonder why trust in them is sinking.
LOL. How does one mistakenly splice together two unrelated clips almost an hour apart?
Journalists often shorten quotes in order to save time, though the intention should never be to alter the meaning of what the quoted person was saying.
Was it Katie Couric who edited in a long pause when asking her "gotcha" question to make it look like her interview subject didn't know how to answer, as if they had something to hide? That was just as deliberate and just as misleading, and should have been just as actionable, based entirely on the fact that she altered the recording on purpose.
Yup, and it was to make pro-gun people look stupid.
When I was a kid, if a news broadcast got something this wrong, (figuratively) heads rolled. Now, the journalists all circle the wagons and defend/excuse each other's lies: "Unfortunately, that was a bad edit."
Seriously?
Yeah, this was not journalism. It was bad propaganda.
And the new DK game looks quite good. But I am just not finding a reason to get the Switch 2.
I don't know about frivolous. What the BBC did was pretty damn egregious, and I can only conclude done with malice.
Robby should have discussed the BBC more generally. The Trump splice was referenced in a BBC report which found what we all know, the BBC routinely violates its own standards in order to promote political preferences it supports and attack those it doesn't. Regarding Israel for example the BBC has had to issue more than 200 corrections for reports since the Oct 7 terrorism attacks by Palestinians, more than two every week. Every single error favored Hamas.
This provides quite the evidence these are reckless and intentional. If there was even the barest effort at professionalism there would be at least some distribution of these errors.
You must be lying. The BBC is the most accredited and honest news agency in the world, just ask them.
I see you're familiar with their evaluation process.
His lawsuit against the BBC is likely frivolous, however.
Robby's got to say that because CATO and Reason have probably done worse in the last eight years.
Plus, there are cocktail party invites to consider .
>>cocktail
different type of party now.
Reason cocktail party,
ENB: Did you hear about those crazies trying to ban choking? That's really over the top.
Liz: I know right?
ENB: Jacob wrote a draft article about it. There's a Trump angle there somewhere.
Liz: JS;dr. Been too busy surfin.
ENB: Oh fuck. Here comes Robby.
Liz: I know right? Ever since he came out... as a conservative, he's been insufferable.
Robby: Hello ladies. Have you tried the vodka martini? The shit's like 300 bucks a bottle.
Liz: I'm nursing so I don't want to get carried away.
Robby: Okay. Did you see the BBC article I mailed in?
ENB: Yeah you totally nailed it. Trump is such a crybaby.
Liz: And he like hung out with Epstein and shit.
Robby: I'm convinced that he gang raped Blasey-Ford with Kavanaugh but I can't find a reliable source. Anyway gotta grab my brown envelope. See ya later.
ENB: He's such an ass.
Liz: I know right?
I have a hard time picturing ENB and Wolfe getting along. Wolfe is relatively based and ENB is a pretentious bitch.
I actually picture Robby and Liz mostly getting along.
He’s providing hope for Petti’s op-ed yesterday.
>>His lawsuit against the BBC is likely frivolous, however.
Counsel for ABC on line 1, CBS on line 2, Des Moines Register on line 3 ...
Now do Vi
rginia Giuffrectim.The specific quotes are not really that relevant in the big picture. Trump did spearhead an illegal multiweek attempted coup which culminated in a violent attack on the Capital building.
I also dare Trump to sue the BBC. The stuff we would get from discovery would be very damaging to Trump.
This is so tiresome, not even putting any effort into it
I know. I am also tired of MAGAs trying to convince us that what we saw on live on TV for months was fake.
There was no coup.
Trump had nothing to do with the riot at the Capitol.
Reality is never in this asswipe's view; the voices in its head drive the narrative.
They abuse the word coup and insurrection more than a pre-legal teen at an Epstein island party.
I can’t help but think that Tony’s situation would greatly improve if his skull was bashed in.
Did Putin send KGB agents to help Trump with his coup?
You forgot to mention all the cops killed with fire extinguishers.
What about the pipe bomb placed by Gavin McInnes.
Illegal like what democrats did in Hawaii in 1960? What about in the 1800s?
"The specific quotes are not really that relevant in the big picture."
Your "big picture" is the fantasy of a lying pile of steaming TDS-addled lefty shit, lying pile of steaming TDS-addled lefty shit.
Fuck off and die, asswipe.
Lies and Dishonesty is what [D]emon-rat are made of.
What did anyone expect to come from people who think Gov-'Guns' is how you ?make?(STEAL) a living?
But not for nothing, the BBC clearly made a mistake, and should apologize and correct it.
"A mistake."
Unfortunately, that was a bad edit.
"An edit."
Journalists often shorten quotes in order to save time
"Journalists."
Trump's instructions to the January 6 mob may have been reckless and unwise
His fault!
Note also that the edit was seamless—too seamless, really.
I thought you said it was a mistake. A bad edit.
The BBC should apologize and fix the error. It should not have to shell out a billion dollars, however.
Yea, actually, maybe it should. As a real kick in the face to the "journalists" who make "mistakes" and do "bad edits."
https://x.com/AuronMacintyre/status/1579651858901393408
That is infuriating. It was a choice. It was deliberate and intentional to serve an agenda. The mistake, if it can be called that, was in thinking they would not be held to account for their lack of integrity and professional ethics.
But not for nothing, the BBC clearly made a mistake, and should apologize and correct it.
You're too kind, Robby. They didn't make a "mistake", they deliberately falsified the news. Penises did not find their way into vaginas, coffee cups were not negligently placed on tables without coasters... this was a deliberate, aggressive action by BBC news personnel.
Trump's instructions to the January 6 mob may have been reckless and unwise
So, the world is a little flat... shaped like a loaf of Wonderbread. It's round-ish at the edges and corners... but it's not round-round...
"The BBC should apologize and fix the error. It should not have to shell out a billion dollars, however."
Considering that the Left in America along with everyone else who has decided to blindly hate Trump has used that speech to blame Trump for the free-for-all at the Capitol that day and paint him as a King in waiting , he most certainly does have the right to go after ALL those who deliberately misquoted him or ignorantly ascribed to the speech THE most incriminating interpretation of what Trump actually said. I hope he bankrupts them all.
What harm have they done other than hurt a bunch of peoples’ feewings?
Trump is the most powerful man in the world. His family has such wealth that none of them will worry about anything for generations. He’s guaranteed his place in history books for a thousand years.
His followers won’t be swayed and Democrats already hate him. It’s not like any minds were changed.
And you guys think he’s owed something over a bad-faith edit of what he said? If that was a crime my hate club would owe me millions by now.
So it was ok for the BBC to intentionally deceive through editing? That is an amazing take given you regularly crying about your entire posts being provided and you claiming “out of context.”
Sarcasmic is pretty big into lying.
Plus, Sarc would kill and eat a toddler if he thought it would troll Jesse.
He’s in love with Jesse.
I believe sir that youve consistently supported the 1.5B judgement against Alex Jones.
^+1.
Here's the thing:
Streaming: coming to a failing empire near you, soon. Also, this aired in the US in the last week of October, 2024, about a week before the election. Roughly 12.5 months ago. Which brings me to my next point:
Are you certain about that, or are you just quoting some idiots at the NYT? In a country so famously 'liberal' about their libel laws, a 12-month (or less) SOL seems absurdly short.
"...however, it's not clear whether the documentary ever aired in the U.S..."
Robbie never heard of the 'interweb'!
Frivolous perhaps, but extremely necessary. The corporate media needs to be held to account for their crimes of omission, taking comments out of context, and outright lying.
Even though I personally dislike Trump and find him to be a mediocre president, I do like his ability to get under the skin of the establishment, his ability to get them to expose themselves.
As Jimmy Dore says, "no matter who you vote for you always get John McCain" (not an exact quote, but paraphrased). Trump is better than Harris would have been, however is really lacking and subpar. He is way too susceptible to the warmongers and wannabe warmongers like the repulsive Lindsey Graham.
MAGA is not wherever the winds twist Trump day by day, but rather the belief that we deal with issues in the USA before we involve ourselves in the affairs of other countries. This is not a liberal versus conservative movement, but more of a anti-war, anti-meddling movement.
"...Trump is better than Harris would have been, however is really lacking and subpar..."
The words of a TDS-addled shit; 'subpar' compared to which POTUS of the last hundred years, you lying pile of shit?
"Oopsie. How unfortunate that our slight mistake just so happened to portray Trump saying something he never said, while at the same time portraying him in the worst possible light. Such bad luck."
It's obvious slander, and if Trump suing them until it hurts prevents them from doing it again, I think the lawsuit is a fine idea.
I hope he ends up owning the BBC. Then maybe they can finally fix Doctor Who.
"...Unfortunately, that was a bad edit..."
He'll be here all week folks. Try the veal and make sure to tip your waitress.
Slimy, Robbie.