New York City Is About To Elect a Socialist Mayor in Zohran Mamdani. Why Won't This Failed Ideology Die?
The troubling rise of Zohran Mamdani is about more than policy. It's about culture.
A self-proclaimed socialist is on track to become New York City's next mayor.
The rise of Zohran Mamdani represents a troubling moment in American politics. In some ways, his candidacy isn't a radical departure from the mainstream Democratic Party. He promises to "freeze the rent for millions," make buses "free" in part to prevent disgruntled riders from attacking bus drivers, and provide "universal" (i.e., government-sponsored) day care. When Kamala Harris ran for president, she pledged to "cap unfair rent increases" by suing corporate landlords. Elizabeth Warren regularly calls for universal childcare and wealth taxes. Like Mamdani, Democratic Congress member Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and former Democratic presidential nominee Bernie Sanders believe that "billionaires shouldn't exist."
"Let's not pretend that [Mamdani's success] is from nowhere," says Inez Stepman, a New York writer and legal analyst. "He is radical for the Democratic Party, but he's also just being more honest about the policies that a particular wing of the Democratic Party have pushed for a long time."
Mamdani sees it this way too, telling Stephen Colbert in an interview that his election is "a referendum on where our party goes."
That's concerning because Mamdani isn't the type of socialist who's content to say that the U.S. should just be a little more like Denmark. He's a "seize the means of production" kind of guy.
Mamdani, at the time a New York state assembly member, told a crowd at the 2021 Young Democratic Socialists of America conference that while it's important to lead with issues where he believes socialists have popular support—such as Medicare for All or student loan cancellation—that it's critical to never abandon "the end goal of seizing the means of production, where we do not have the same level of support at this very moment." For that reason, Mamdani continues, "we have to continue to elect more socialists, and we have to ensure that we are unapologetic about our socialism."
Mamdani's ambition is nothing less than leading the vanguard of the new American socialist movement. His message is resonating with young voters in particular, who turned out in record numbers for Mamdani in the Democratic primary.
Socialism was tried, and failed, repeatedly in the 20th century, racking up a death toll of 100 million lives. Millions more still live under socialism's long, dark shadow in North Korea, Cuba, and Venezuela.
So why does the socialist movement never seem to die?
One unsettling possibility is that economic reality is secondary to cultural shifts when it comes to 21st-century U.S. politics, and the culture necessary to maintain a free society is slowly deteriorating.
"The pure economic analysis of Zohran just fails to account for the cultural worldview and ideology that is very clearly not only part of his candidacy, but to me is a central piece," says Stepman. "It does touch something in us that is deeper and somehow more politically potent than housing regulations."
Mamdani says it wasn't Marxist economic theory that first drew him into the Democratic Socialists of America, but that his "journey in politics began with Palestine."
"I came to this country when I was 7 years old, and as soon as I got to any kind of level of political consciousness, the contradiction around Palestine struck me," Mamdani told his fellow DSA members in November 2024 as he outlined.
Stepman describes Mamdani's anticolonial views as a "terrifying meld of third-world resentments and modern sort of elite, woke views" that somehow reconcile enthusiasm for Palestinian statehood with gay rights in the form of "queers for Palestine" signs.
"Don't you realize you'll be thrown off a building there?" asks Stepman.
The Venezuelan writer Carlos Rangel called the ideological blend of Marxism and anticolonialsm "third worldism," which rests on the idea that precolonial societies were socialist paradises. The so-called "noble savages" lived in communal harmony before European imperialists came to pillage their lands and impose savage capitalism, brutal individualism, and a rigid social hierarchy.
This iteration of socialism purposely conflates imperialism and capitalism, which helps explain why Mamdani has said that socialists and Palestinians are fighting "the same struggle."
"The reason that I joined DSA, if I had to pick one, was because there was no exception for Palestine," Mamdani told his DSA comrades. "I'm in this organization because we didn't just pick and choose the battles that everyone was ready for in this very moment, but because we picked and chose the battles that were right and that are extensions of the values that we have as socialists."
Stepman, a libertarian turned conservative, says libertarians overemphasize economic arguments when countering Mamdani.
"The way that I read Mamdani's politics, it's almost a register that a lot of libertarians just don't see, like talking to somebody who's colorblind about the color purple," says Stepman. "They are not recognizing a register that is fundamental to human politics since the ancient world."
Irving Kristol, the founder of neoconservatism, made the same observation in 1972 when the future Nobel Laureate Milton Friedman invited him to speak before a classically liberal audience at the Mont Pelerin Society. The topic was: Why does socialism persist? Kristol's answer was that "the enemy of liberal capitalism today is not so much socialism as nihilism."
For Kristol, the fading relevance of organized religion in liberal capitalist societies left too many people with a God-shaped hole to fill. When there's no promise of a cosmic justice in the afterlife that will right life's inevitable wrongs, we're more prone to seek justice through politics.
Socialism exploits our yearning for cosmic justice.
To Mamdani and other socialists, such "justice" means more equal distribution of wealth, which is why he wants to abolish billionaires.
Libertarians, on the other hand, believe that justice encompasses the right to private property and to retain the fruits of one's own labor. Those who end up as billionaires through a market process don't relinquish the right to keep what's theirs. The fact that the rest of society benefits most from the success of exceptional individuals is a welcome byproduct of this arrangement.
Still, some people do get rich dishonestly, others are victimized, and luck plays a big role: The children of wealthy professionals have a head start, which feels unjust.
So progressives champion "social justice" to engineer a more equal outcome, as illustrated in the well-known meme of a family of differing heights watching a baseball game over a fence. In reality, socialists often achieve greater equality by making everyone poorer. That's because socialists like Mamdani see capitalist profit as inherently unjust, which is why they advocate "seizing the means of production" so that the socialists can more "equitably" divvy up the profits.
"If there was any system that could guarantee each person housing, whether you call it the abolition of private property or whether you call it a statewide housing guarantee, it is preferable to what is going on right now," Mamdani argued in an interview promoting so-called "social housing."
To libertarians, injustice happens to individuals, not political classes. And it's remedied via individual compensation for damages, not continuous social engineering. By focusing on specific instances of injustice that violate an individual's rights to life, liberty, and property, liberal capitalist societies build institutions with a predictable and universal set of rules, allowing for the type of long-term planning that leads to prosperity.
Kristol said in 1972 that this libertarian version of justice was once the dominant understanding in this country because it grew from America's "Puritan or Protestant ethos," which recognized the virtues of "honesty, sobriety, diligence and thrift" as deserving of worldly success. But Kristol believed it was disappearing. Libertarians can't defend capitalism and freedom in the long run because our belief system has a fatal flaw: It's amoral, lacking a concrete set of values.
"The central kind of thrust of his speech was that libertarianism alone cannot maintain the culture that's required for libertarianism to work," says Stepman, who authored an updated version of Kristol's argument.
Kristol criticized libertarians like Milton Friedman for failing to condemn the "libertine" aspects of the '60s counterculture—drug use, promiscuity, the abandonment of family values—because libertarians prioritized individual "self-realization" as the goal of society.
"What if the 'self' that is 'realized,'" Kristol warned, "is a self that despises liberal capitalism, and uses its liberty to subvert and abolish a free society?"
But libertarians can fight for cultural values without contradicting any of their fundamental political beliefs. And they should.
This isn't the first time we've been in this predicament. The Austrian economists F.A. Hayek and Joseph Schumpeter were asking that same timeless question in Europe during the interwar years: Why was collectivism taking hold?
Schumpeter, who used the phrase "creative destruction" to describe how innovation spurs material progress by upending the existing order, worried that these same forces undermined popular support for classical liberalism in his 1943 book Capitalism, Socialism, and Democracy.
Schumpeter observed that capitalism has a tendency to "destroy the moral authority" of institutions like the Church, slavery, or the monarchy, but it doesn't stop there. It "goes on to attack private property and the…bourgeois values" that undergird the liberal order. Kristol would make roughly the same observations 30 years later.
Schumpeter also noted that capitalism generates enough abundance to support a large class of intellectuals lacking in practical skills who feel underappreciated in a market economy, such as Karl Marx himself, whose father criticized him for his extravagant, disorderly, and degenerate lifestyle.
The writer and social psychology researcher Rob Henderson, who coined the phrase "luxury beliefs," agrees.
"When we evaluate our lives, we don't look at the people beneath us and think, 'Oh thank goodness I'm not that person,' as you step past a homeless person on the sidewalk," says Henderson. "But then when you see someone who's doing really well, and you lay eyes on them, you might think, 'Well, why does he or she have all of that?'"
Maybe that's why in New York's Democratic mayoral primary, the lowest income bracket skewed toward Andrew Cuomo, while upper–middle class voters went for Mamdani. The richest neighborhoods, which would be most affected by high taxes and wealth redistribution, picked Cuomo.
"If you take a random, upper–middle class, college-educated New Yorker, they're doing better than just about everyone in New York," says Henderson. "But people don't compare themselves to the average person. They compare themselves to those who are around them, those whom they could reasonably hope to be."
Henderson says socialist movements tend to emerge not from a disgruntled working class but from "intra-elite conflict." Back in 1949, Hayek wrote that "socialism has never and nowhere been at first a working-class movement."
He described an "intellectual" class that embraces socialism as "secondhand dealers in ideas"—the journalists, writers, artists, talk show hosts…influencers.
This group, said Hayek, tended to judge ideas not on their merits, but by how "modern or advanced" they seemed. Mechanical and industrial engineering were remaking the economy, so Marxists assumed that social engineering could remake society. Intellectuals should be running the world.
"Broad visions," not "technical details or practical difficulties," are what appeal to the young and idealistic, wrote Hayek.
Mamdani's signature issue is freezing the rent for about a million regulated apartments, sticking it to the greedy landlords. That's a lot easier and more romantic-sounding than actually fixing the problem by unwinding zoning laws, permits, and other regulatory burdens that limit supply and drive up prices in the first place. So are his proposals to have the city own grocery stores and produce its own "social housing" by going "beyond the market" to have "community ownership" of the land.
Rebuilding from scratch inspires young professionals who want to make a difference in the world—more so than defending what's left of the liberal order. A grand plan for society sounds more exciting than just giving individuals more freedom to pursue their own plans.
"It may be that as a free society as we have known it carries in itself the forces of its own destruction," wrote Hayek. "That once freedom has been achieved, it is taken for granted and ceases to be valued."
This has happened in America, where socialism is ascendant on the Left and "national conservatism" is ascendant on the Right: Trump reorders the global economy with unilateral tariffs and directs the federal government to take a stake in some of the country's largest companies.
Hayek says our only hope is to "make the building of a free society once more an intellectual adventure, a deed of courage."
So was Irving Kristol right? Partially, yes. Talk of shared values shouldn't make libertarians uncomfortable.
Liberty needs personalities who will fight to defend it and inspire others to do the same. And it needs shared cultural values in support of its principles.
This doesn't mean indoctrinating kids with struggle sessions, injecting religious language and symbols into government institutions, or banning "offensive" speech like the very authoritarians libertarians oppose.
Libertarians want to make civic life less political by pulling government influence out of schools, the workplace, and the home. But the belief that everyone should be free to choose, as Milton Friedman put it, doesn't conflict with a shared culture that deems some of those choices bad.
"It is most important that a free society be based on strong moral convictions," said Hayek in a 1961 speech, "and…if we want to preserve freedom and morals…we should do all in our power to spread the appropriate moral convictions."
Socialists deride qualities like self-reliance, self-control, a strong work ethic, entrepreneurial spirit, and commitment to family as bourgeois shackles. They aren't shackles at all, but the path to a freer and more flourishing world. There's a reason that Marx explicitly sought to displace the family unit with the collective as the fundamental transmitter of such moral values.
And none of these are strictly liberal or conservative values. They are quintessentially American ones. They are the cultural values that make liberty and prosperity compatible.
On the other hand, a culture of entitlement and grievance, fixation on ethnic, tribal, or class identity, demonization of entrepreneurship and wealth, and glorification of shallow pursuits and quick payoffs leaves a void that the religion of socialism promises to fill.
The basis of a free society is the shared cultural belief that individuals have agency and aren't cogs in a machine or helpless victims of a rigged system, even if bad luck sometimes means there's a moral duty to help the unfortunate.
One of Mamdani's opponents was the incumbent Eric Adams, an incompetent mayor plausibly accused of corruption. Nevertheless, he became an unlikely messenger for these values in a campaign speech before he dropped out.
"There's no dignity in someone giving you everything for free," said Adams. "There's dignity in giving you a job so you could provide for your family and the opportunities that you deserve. So this is not a city of handouts. This is a city of hands up."
Religious believers tend to embrace this kind of individual agency. Kristol is right that the collapse of religious faith has left America more vulnerable to socialism's allure. That doesn't mean America should or ever will have a national religion. But it already does have a pretty good national creed: Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Notice Jefferson wrote "pursuit," not "guarantee," and "happiness" to him meant a constantly engaged mind pursuing truth, "virtue and goodness."
Hayek argued that ideas work their way from the "intellectuals" to the masses. If he's right, then those of us who want a free society must show moral courage in our personal lives and in our public pronouncements. In a world full of "influencers," it's more important than ever to have the right kind of influence.
A socialist America isn't inevitable, but neither is a free one. It's up to each of us—as free moral agents—to fight for it.
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People like getting shit for free. It cares them not that if it involves taking the fruits of others’ labor nor considerable govt involvement. Little personal responsibility.
Biden (D) did a bit of that socialist wealth redistribution. Recall you voted for him in 2020:
https://reason.com/2020/10/12/how-will-reason-staffers-vote-in-2020/
American conservatives make socialists look very attractive.
Get new glasses
I disagree. I think it is The MAGA populism that supports crony capitalism that make socialism look attractive. Get back to a more balanced capitalism or accept socialist inroads.
Its MaGa corporatists that make socialism look attractive. Curbing corporate welfare and allowing small businesses to grow would be a legitimate counter to the libtard socialist utopia delusion.
Lol. Parody.
And just how the fuck is Socialism going to accomplish that?
https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/health-services-benefits/medical-assistance-dying.html
I’m not sorry your EBT card doesn’t get recharged on Saturday.
So long as humanity exists con artists like George W Bush and Trump and RFK jr and Mamdani will find new ways to exploit other people. That said, Trump at least gave us the Covid vaccine and ended the asinine Afghanistan War while perpetuating the Obama economy for 3 years! Trump’s first term was a raging success compared to Bush/Cheney and yet that wasn’t good enough for Republicans!?! WTF??
This is retarded even for you, supporter of all dem and corporate scams.
See USAID. green energy, etc.
False choice, but then considering the source, gaslighting is to be expected.
IMHO Mamdani isn't a symbol of the rise of Democratic Socialism, he is a symbol of its abject failure at a national level. NYC is where Democratic Socialism has gone to die.
Could things have been different if every "J.D. Vance is Wrong" article in Reason were replaced with "Zohran Mamdani is Wrong" articles?
We'll never know.
They really do t think he’s wrong. And watch for the JeffSarc, Shrike, and all the other far left democrat pukes here to endlessly defend this Jew hating, Islamist jihadi, hard line Marxist to The ends of the earth.
Could things have been different if every "J.D. Vance is Wrong" article in Reason were replaced with "Zohran Mamdani is Wrong" articles?
Two thoughts on that.
1. Reason has about zero influence on the national zeitgeist.
B) Because they spend more time hyperventilating about J.D. Vance and Ron DeSantis while they ignored or tacitly supported the culture which created Mamdani, they have about zero influence with the people in their comment section.
It is cultural in 2 different ways. First is that the left is aggressive and progressively self-radicalizing. NYC is an urban bubble of leftist beliefs and has been pushing for socialism as long as I can remember.
The other part is immigration. New York in particular has been importing the 3rd world and embraced such beliefs. Look at the breakdown of support for Mamdani vs Cuomo or Sliwa. Mamdani's support is strongly correlated with foreign born residents.
It's almost like Mamdani is an example for open borders zealots to see why it isn't compatible with libertarianism.
Look at the breakdown of support for Mamdani vs Cuomo or Sliwa. Mamdani's support is strongly correlated with foreign born residents.
Eeeeh, his support is also strongly correlated with upper middle class whites.
Yep. That rally with Bernie and AOC was starkly white.
That would be the first part of the cultural problem. As much as the white liberals support him, the immigrants do so by something like 20 points more.
How much impact do they lose if we deport all the illegals?
Thanks. Good article. And it's worth repeating...
"A socialist America isn't inevitable, but neither is a free one. It's up to each of us—as free moral agents—to fight for it."
Fight? What's wrong with ignoring the looter entreaties and voting for freedom--if that's what you value.
Excellent article, Zach
The militant Atheist Bro contingent are allergic to any discussion of values.
By the missing element when discussing ZM is the Soroses, who selected him and have bankrolled his rise
Reason isn’t allowed to do that. They might lose their Kochbucks.
>>Why Won't This Failed Ideology Die?
because you either fail to recognize Islamic Marxism or you soft-pedal it as Socialism
Why Won't This Failed Ideology Die?
For the same reason selfish criminal-acts don't just disappear.
As long as STEALING others sh*t is beneficial; it will continue.
And predictably; The more government supports STEALING the more it'll grow.
Until everyone is trying to Gov-Gun STEAL everything and there's nothing left to STEAL.
...because; 'Guns' don't make sh*t.
Guns make holes in things.
Yep. When you squeeze them, they make bad people go away.
Lol the little violent desires of the angry, defeated and impotent.
Self-Defense & Ensuring Justice isn't violence, defeated and impotent no matter how much "STEAL from those 'icky' people" types want it to be.
For folks that cheered a fascist trantifa assassinating a man that debated other people, it is not surprising they believe taking shit from others without repercussions is appropriate.
right. if life doesn't matter matter doesn't matter
Funny this nation was born on the disposal of 'life' for 'freedom'.
I guess the founders considered the 'matter' more important than their 'life'.
Well done Zach!
So why does the socialist movement never seem to die?
Because half of the country wants free shit paid for by billionaires. The other half of the country blames the collapse and corruption of key institutions on illegal immigrants. Nobody has a single good idea on how to make things better in this country and prevent us from going off the rails.
Nobody has a single good idea on how to make things better in this country and prevent us from going off the rails.
That's not true. One good idea is to tax cars going into your city to reduce traffic! Can anyone else think of a more libertarian good idea?
"Nobody has a single good idea on how to make things better"
It's called a US Constitution. The same thing that made things better to begin with.
This nation had all the answers; Until the criminally-minded [Na]tional So[zi]alist[s] conquered it for their Nazi-Empire.
Do you even recognize how retarded your first sentence is.
But then again you're fine with importing the world's poor into a welfare state, primarily due to ignorance.
Youre fine with undermining the labor force with indentured servitude and pushing lower labor citizens to welfare even more.
Youre fine with expensive regulatory bodies here while exporting jobs overseas.
Deregulation. Stopping importation of poor people into a welfare state. Crush dem pushed government spending. And maybe you can achieve 3.8% GDP like last quarter. Hint. This growth was with reduced government spending.
Akshully, teams of Christian National Socialist trumpanzistas cross-dressing as libertarians--exemplified by Zach and Lizard--are major boosters of Nazi-Klan-Wallace-Nixon conservatism. Look at the MAGAts that flock to them...
…… Take a nap, old man.
Leftard Self-Projection 101.
Do list for us all the [Na]tional So[zi]alist policies of the Left then the Right. Lets just see which one is more Socialist.
Here. I'll Start it for you getting right to the heart of the matter.
Trump, "America will never be a socialist country."
Bernie, "everybody knows that I am a socialist and that many people in our movement, not all, are socialists" ... “Bill Clinton is a moderate Democrat. I’m a democratic socialist.”
New York City Is About To Elect a Socialist Mayor in Zohran Mamdani. Why Won't This Failed Ideology Die?
There's about 10 to 12 years of "culture war" stuff that you guys sat on the sidelines for, rolled your eyes to or agreed to disagree with...which, if you revisit, might explain it.
If you'd like me to suggest a starting point I'd recommend 2015, although there were rumblings of it as far back as 2012.
^THIS^ you and TJJ2000 nailed the analysis on this one
It goes back way further. During the Cold War, the communists with support from the USSR had infiltrated Hollywood and subjugated it. It's why the House of Unamerican Activities and McCarthy are remembered so badly when the truth was that they were correct.
Why Won't This Failed Ideology Die?
Because the alternative provides plenty of opportunities to sell 'the status quo sucks'. Real median personal income has risen from 29,000 in 1975 to 45,000 in 2024. That's a compound annual growth rate of 0.9%. For the above-median, asset prices like housing and stocks have risen FAR more than that. So the above-median can consume far more than their labor income generates esp since debt collateralized by stuff like stocks/houses is far cheaper over time. Life's good and few of them are appealed to by socialism. You can see that reality in the economy now. There's very little consumption beyond the basics in the lower 90% now. The US is in fact currently in a recession if you exclude the circle-jerkers making money off the Mag7 AI roundtripping game.
OTOH - the below-median know they are not really growing income at a real 0.9% over two generations. 0.9% overstates their progress. Rent, medical, and anything purchased by debt grow much faster than inflation and are being lied about for those inflation adjustments. They no longer have jobs where their own productivity will affect their income much. Those gains will accrue to those higher up the ladder (or the shareowners). They are stagnant forever - and they often know that - and ideological shitrags like Reason are there to blow smoke up the poor's behind. Not to show a better way forward for them.
If you think socialism appeals now - wait until the Chinese version of it becomes more well-known than the old Soviet/Russian version. The Soviet version had all the paranoia, expansionism, kleptocracy, and constipation that still defines 'Russian'. The Chinese version is far more Marxist originalism. The Marxism that even US capitalists (sotto voce) understand, accept, and hand wave away.
Everything Is So Terrible And Unfair, j.
Good article and surprising to see at Reason. I could nit pick a few conclusions but I won't.
I generally enjoyed Zach’s takes on his and Liz’s podcast.
"the end goal of seizing the means of production,,,"
Key words being "seizing" [by force] and "means of production [the Capital Heights"]. That would be Marxism; let's at least call if for what it is.
The US allowed this to be imported, by way of immigrants with "third world outrage" and employing "wokeism" to further it amongst our so called cultural elite.
The cancer is here.
Fascist economic systems do seem to be the preference here with their light touch on regulatory schemes.
Also an Islamist. Less than 25 years after 9/11, NYC has been conquered by Islam.
Electing a Moslem mayor is hardly succumbing to Islam.
Allowing the people who killed thousands of your fellow New Yorkers in the name of their shared ideology to rule you isn't conquering - dumbass4ever
I would remind you that President Bush was the first to defend Moslems after the 911 attack. There are approximately 4.5 M American Moslems and they are not different from other Americans.
The fuck they aren’t.
Correct, I have known and worked with many Muslims who make good citizens. Most of them are not radicals and like the freedoms we have here and don't want to jeopardize those.
You, however, remain a gas lighting shitbag.
Are you even intelligent enough to realize the only reason he is ahead is because he has 60% of the foreign born vote?
Are you even intelligent enough to know muslim clerics and imam gave been discussing using politics as a tool to take down the US since the trade center bombing?
Duh. GOP and Islam are the same brand of girl-bullying mystical bigots.
Drop the M.
Electing a Moslem mayor is succubing to Islam. Let's face it... GOP and Islam are the same brand of girl-bullying mystical bigots. Iranians went so far as to kidnap an entire embassy staff to make Reagan Prohibitionism electable.
If London is any indication, yeah it is.
Why won't it die?
Because government attached to the interests of rich nobles has always been directly opposed to government attached to the public interest.
Neither is 100% correct, and both are often horrifically wrong. Constitutional republicanism has not rid us of this paradox.
The libertarian values of the western Republicans like Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan are gone. Today's populist Republican masses are focused on the trivial as Trump's real peers, the wealth, pick the people's pockets.
I do love how easy it is to spot an authoritarian with the disdain for the populace.
Youre not an elite just because you vote for people self declaring themselves the elite.
No it isn't, anymore than it is the original Republican Party of Lincoln or the Reconstruction or any prior period in history. This happened in large part due to it's lack of concern for what the "average" American cares about.
The Democrats have also changed, from the party of slavery to the party of ideological extremists; more so every day.
And you're still a gas lighting shitbag.
Barry Goldwater wanted to repeal "drug" prohibition. Reagan wanted to shoot/jail the entire population if needed to shore up prohibitionism. Remember the 1987 Crash? The Omnibus drug bills? Hyperinflation in Brazil? Undeclared war on Panama?
Precisely why the Supreme Law enumerated a LIMITED list of subjects where "government attached to the interests".
The Constitution does 'rid us' of the paradox if anyone actually cared to honor it over [WE] Identify-as RULES [D]emon-acracy (i.e. public interest)
Did the Constitution do that more before slavery was outlawed, or after?
I contend the original Constitution was overthrown by the Civil War Amendments, precisely because it just didn't work.
It didn't work then for EXACTLY the same reason it's not working now.
The party of Slavery wouldn't honor it and kept pretending the Bill of Rights being ensured for-all was "federal over-reach". So it took a civil war and 'clarifying' amendments to address leftards denial/excuses.
Next BS excuse.
Actually the Democratic Party was the party of Andrew Jackson and all of the major Jacksonians left the party over secession. So the Democrats actually helped found the GOP.
All the Left has done is all the 'new' Rights FAULT! /s
Haven't you learned woke-ism yet? /s
...or maybe there is just the "enslaving others (race,sex,wealth based) for one's own benefit" party and the party that wants to "ensure Justice for all" (all men are created equal in the eyes of the law).
Next BS excuse.
Lincoln didn’t want to free the slaves…he wanted more free states so that the Constitution could be amended to abolish slavery. Jacksonians’ priority was a country from coast to coast. Jefferson Davis was the leader of the group that wanted to perpetuate slavery by any means necessary.
"Jackson subscribed to the paternalistic idea of slavery, which claimed that slave ownership was morally acceptable as long as slaves were treated with humanity and their basic needs were cared for."
Political party Democratic (1828–1845)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Jackson
Why it's almost like Jackson subscribed to modern day Democrats.
Next BS Excuse.
Lincoln waged war against Native Americans and wanted to ship slaves back to Africa because Jacksonians helped found the Republic Party!!! And Lincoln didn’t give California back to Mexico even though he opposed the Mexican War!
LMAO... Jackson [D] founded Lincoln [R] so all of [D]'s horrors are [R]'s fault! /s
Next BS Excuse (or a humorous attempt at one at least).
No, Jackson’s right hand man, FP Blair, was one of the founders of the Republican Party and a top Lincoln adviser.
The original Constitution provided enforcement of Fugitive Slave laws. Surely your college Government prof pointed that out, didn't s/he?
Commie-Indoctrination prof? Why yes; they did cry about the 3/5th count in their attempt to propagandize de-stain for the very founding of the USA....
While absolutely playing ignorant to the Declaration of Independence that led to it and how the USA founding was literally designed to eventually fade-out slavery.
Course why is all this history so important? It is either ethical to 'Gun' enslave others for one's benefit or it isn't. Democrats have a history as well as a NOW demonstrating the desire to 'Gun' TAKE whatever their hearts desire (i.e. Gov-Guns will provide for me).
Next BS excuse.
The Founders simply gave in to every demand by the South because the North prioritized the Union over solving the slavery issue. The Founders did wishcast that slavery would continue to be uneconomical and die out on its own…but before the ink was even dry on the Constitution the cotton gin was invented and it made slavery more economical than ever!!
Oh, and if the 1619 Project had been called the 1836 Project I would agree with it 100% …because Texas was created as a slave state to perpetuate slavery.
"Texas was created as a slave state to perpetuate slavery."
Cotton-gin patented 1794. Governor of Texas 1794 Sam Houston [D].
Yes. It is (or should be anyways) well known that the [D] party "perpetuated slavery". They literally fought a civil war against Lincoln [R] trying to preserve it.
Once again, Sam Houston was a Jacksonian that was removed from office for opposing secession!! Jacksonians prioritized a coast to coast country over perpetuation of slavery. Like all major Jacksonians Houston left the Democrat Party in the 1850s. Think of it like Bush Republicans and Trump jockeying for control of the GOP now…two very different visions but one party and hopefully Trump wins out but in January 2021 Republicans in Congress voted Lizard Cheney into leadership and it looked like they would win with DeSantis and Haley.
Republican law professors teach that Taney forced slavery upon the country in 1857. So prior to Dred Scott America was a utopia for blacks and then the dastardly Taney forced Robert E Lee to own slaves.
Again, I will say the rise of socialism is a direct result of the failure of capital as now practiced. Crony capitalism has been creeping into the American economic system and is now at a full gallop under the Trump administration. America's middle class is being sacrificed to a small group of the wealthy.
Crony Socialism.
Crony Capitalism is an oxymoron.
Crony capitalism is more a tautology than an oxymoron. Capitalism is, by definition, the interests of capital drive the society. Which is also cronyism.
Maybe you're conflating 'free market' with 'capitalism'.
Googled for definition of Capitalism is "the interests of capital drive the society"
No results.
Chop, Chop. Get those definitions ?corrected?; ya know like 'Crony Capitalism' (oxymoron).
Capitalism = capital + -ism
So now you only need to know what an -ism is
BTW - Socialists are the ones who created the modern use of the word capitalism. Blanc and Proudhon. As an epithet.
Taking ownership of an epithet doesn't actually change its meaning. Only its feels.
"Socialists are the ones who created the modern use of the word capitalism."
As I said.....
Chop, Chop. Get those definitions ?corrected?; ya know like 'Crony Capitalism'
If Gov-Guns are guiding Capital it isn't Capitalism (wikipedia "an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production") it *is* Socialism.
"Capitalism" is what communists shriek while pointing to non-communist variants of communo-fascist socialism. If you adopt their language, their system soon follows...
Socialist parody.
Trump won the presidency and all the pundits insisted it was because of economic populism. So you all wonder why Socialism might be back after Trump used his 'populist" appeal to fatten his billionaire donors' offshore accounts? We are watching the GOP strip America for parts while he makes deals abroad. It is clear who the real globalists are now. All this stuff about immigration and the culture wars are a distraction. As long as the uber wealthy can move their money offshore in a moment's notice they will be happy. They realize that their assetts will work for them in Qatar just as well in America. So yeah, Socialism is starting to look more appealing.
We used to understand that if we want to avoid a Socialist revolution we might just have to tax the rich and check their out-of-control wealth. But somehow they have convinced the rubes that raising taxes on billionaires is bad. As if having super yachts and 5 mansions is not quite enough. If we take one of thei mansions their will lose the incentive to work or something.
Here is the part where you says Trans something or Hunter this and email server that.
Leftard Self-Projection.
Everything you described is everything socialism has brought here.
Does your kind ever get tired of repeating 'equality' while you literally destroy it?
Do you ever get tired of 'affordable' while you literally make it completely unaffordable?
Does your kind have a 'learn' gene at all?
"If we take one of thei mansions"
Is that what the DSA wants? Is that what you want? You want to steal someone's mansion? You want to steal a lot of mansions?
Refreshingly honest.
Why do so many democrats blame trump for exposing their true nature as socialists?
Middle class incomes are actually up more than so with Biden. He'll the democrats are refusing to sign a CR to fatten the wallet of insurance companies lol.
^BINGO ... "fatten the wallet of insurance companies". +10000000.
Healthcare wealthiest-disparity moved into the #1 spot of all other industries within 6-month of Obamacare. The left has entirely propagandized/diluted themselves that to fix a broken-thumb you whack it was a bigger hammer.
Trump won because the Dem-socialists promised to keep shooting naygurs, messkins and hippies over weed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YTrrqEdrI8
Gary and his non-nazi veep got 4 million votes covering the gap in 13 states casting 127 electoral votes. Even the bookies were laying odds the Dems were gonna win with THAT platform. Notice any change?
"Why won't this failed ideology die?"
Some thoughts:
Free Stuff!
Utopia!
Eternal Bliss!
...from those 'icky' (enslaved) people.
The very reason the same ideology becomes racist, sexist, and bigoted.
It has to distinguish who the 'icky' people (slave-suppliers) will be.
If the ideology wanted to *earn* stuff, utopia & bliss...
It would just be defending Liberty & ensuring Justice for all.
Once the party of slavery. Still the mentality of slavery.
"Why won't this failed ideology die?"
I believe that the reason socialism won't die is that we're hardwired for it. Why are we hardwired for it? Because it works.
Yes. Socialism works. On a small scale. It works for families. It works for tribes. It works when the socialist society is small. As in Dunbar's Number small.
Unfortunately for socialism, once the number of people grows to the point where everyone doesn't know everyone, it fails.
Unfortunately for we human beings, for 99% of our existence as a species we've lived in familial and tribal sized groups practicing socialism.
So, as I said in the beginning, I believe we're hardwired for it. It intuitively makes sense. Explaining how it doesn't work for large groups is an uphill battle since we're predisposed to it.
That's why the ideology won't die.
That makes sense.
I think it also helps that people always assume that they won’t be the ones asked to “give up” to the greater good.
That's not necessarily true. Sure there are those who want to soak the rich, but there are many who are more than happy to "give up" for the greater good now if they know for certain that they will be taken care of when they are unable to contribute. Again, getting back to that family/tribe mentality. Just because some people are self-serving, selfish pricks with zero altruism who would endeavor to break a working socialist tribal unit doesn't mean that everyone is a caustic bastard with no friends. If that was the case Trump would have won with 100% of the vote instead of 49%.
The net takers are the self-serving, selfish pricks with zero altruism.
Like the ones planning to steal groceries next week.
Political Socialism by it's very usage of the tool of Gov-Guns is not a "who are more than happy to 'give up' for the greater good" equation.
This is the biggest BS the left sells.
'Armed-THEFT / Enslavement' = Charity! /s
Next BS excuse.
Can someone who is fluent in Retard translate this comment into English?
Armed-Theft =/= Charity...
"Goes against my criminal-comprehension narrative so I don't get it." /sarc
Next BS excuse.
TJJ, sarc isn’t talking about socialism in the political context, but answering why the ideology itself won’t die.
Edit: More a small ‘s’ socialism vs big ‘S’ Socialism thing.
I'd gather he's unsubtle trying to make excuses for socialism by trying to equate being-social with socialism.
I was thinking more of the talking head/champagne socialists/antifa larpers and less your average midwestern family, but I suppose that’s fair (if massively naive) for the people that are willing to sacrifice for the “greater good”.
You're confusing the difference between an socially (friends, families & neighbors) inherent 'justice' system of trade with criminal socialism.
No. Socialism doesn't even work at the 'family' level without justice. If you had a gimme, gimme, gimme druggy in your family; you'd well know this.
I'm not confusing anything.
Socialism on the family/tribal level is voluntary. There is no force. People can say no to the "gimme, gimme, gimme druggy". Or they can say yes. But everyone knows the guy. It's their choice.
Socialism does not scale beyond Dunbar's number because at that point everyone does not know everyone. It's no longer voluntary. It must become forced. Then people who don't know "gimme, gimme, gimme druggy" must subsidize him anyway.
Which is why it can not work on a larger scale.
And that 'know' you speak of is 'knowing justice will be ensured in the deal'.
Next BS excuse.
Wow. Either you didn't read anything I wrote, or you're too stupid to understand it.
I'm going with both.
"You're stupid!" /sarc.
Next BS excuse.
You are stupid. You think I'm a leftist. That means you're stupid. You think my argument was in favor of socialism. That means you're stupid. You deliberately shun knowledge. That means you're stupid.
You.
Are.
Stupid.
And.
You.
Can't.
Be.
Fixed.
I see the dawning of comprehension of that important fact. For the same reason, Ayn Rand declined to argue with mystics. I only offer to argue with mystics able to solve a simple logical puzzle--and not a single one has yet qualified. Sarc has endless patience with the helplessly programmed.
"You think my argument was in favor of socialism." funny.....
"I believe that the reason socialism won't die" ... "Because it works." ... "Yes. Socialism works."
Can't imagine where anyone could draw that conclusion.... /s
Probably from the same place everyone thinks you're leftist.
With hands in the cookie-jar. "It wasn't me!" /sarc.
Stop using the word we when you mean yourself.
Some of us actually work hard for our betterment instead of blaming society and trump feom the back alley and bottom of a bottle.
Even Ayn Rand discussed the virtues of selfishness.
You know, the person you sometimes find a quote of online but never read.
And before jeff chimes in, those on the right give almost double in time and money to charity as do those on the left.
We imported practically third of the population of the regions where socialism thrived. Many of them live in states like NY. Only the electoral college prevents the entire country of becoming socialist.
But given that even ethnically monolithic nations like Korea is becoming more socialist, I can't pin the whole thing on immigration. The appeal of socialism is egalitarianism. We can't all be rich and have assets in a free society that doesn't always reward hard work. Imagine a government that says "by law, everyone will have SOMETHNG". It feels just for people chronically mired in poverty as they watch someone else make millions on just streaming games online.
Remember George Gascon? Boudin? The whole defund the cops movement? Yeah, liberals booted them all out. No one walks back their failed policies with more fury than suburban liberals. Zohran will lose the next election (possibly recalled) in grand fashion or be forced to walk back many of his insane policies.
What do you mean why?
You imported people who want it, you get it.
And the overwhelming majority of the world wants it.
Immigrants are amazing. There's literally nothing you can't blame on them.
The polls show foreign born strongly supporting the socialist:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/10/21/poll-foreign-born-voters-are-behind-socialist-zohran-mamdani-huge-lead-nyc-mayoral-race/
Republicans are the party that benefited from decades of Cubans entering Florida illegally and getting fast track citizenship…so $5 trillion and 7000 fallen in the GWOT can be laid at the feet of Cubans that were pussies and refused to fight the communists in their homeland!!
Republicans do some really stupid sh*t.
Democrats do even worse stupid sh*t but can't admit it so they'll never learn.
That would only be relevant if they came here and voted for socialist/socialist policies.
They voted for $37 trillion in debt….because Clinton gifted Bush a budget surplus.
You've been giving the polling in NYC dumbass.
Zohran has 60% favorability with foreign born voters. 30% with American born.
Just ask the Sioux, Commanches, Nez-Percés, Seminole, Shawnee, Miami, Lakota, Creek, et alii...
It's funny how people come here from all over the world for the economic opportunities and to escape oppression, then proceed to vote for people who will slowly chip away at those opportunities and oppress them financially.
Not unlike the fucktards who leave New York or California because of the crime rate and high cost of living, only to turn around and vote for the very same party that brought about those undesirable conditions in the first place.
^BINGO +100000000... Well Said.
The "conquer and consume" mentality.
Conquer someone else greener-pasture then move-on to the next.
Why won't the ideology die?
Because NYC mayoral politics hasn't changed since 1886. Back then the race was:
A corrupt establishment that did everything possible to prevent the 'dangerous' guy from winning
A left-winger (then Henry George) whose platform was - the rent's too damn high
An R ( then Teddy Roosevelt) who was still trying to figure out what rhetoric works - the Irish are a stupid sodden vicious lot, most of them being equally deficient in brain and virtue
Back then, that was the order of finish
The socialist programs of Mamdani are standard in the most wealthy, free, and happy nations on earth such as Norway, Sweden, Belgium, et al.. Socialism hasn't failed.....it has just been used as a scapegoat for the failures of capitalism.
'Guns' CAN make sh*t! /s
When all else fails just pull blatant LIES out of your *ss.
Next BS excuse.
As hilarious as always ruff.
Living in Manhattan for 20 years.....
There is a broader cultural thing going on.
The more specific thing is Covid.
Covid flushed out a lot of upper middle class to wealthy away.
And after the coast was nice, safe, and clear, what rushed in to replace them were a bunch of trust fund kids. As in HALF of the real estate closings this year in prime manhattan involved trust funds. I have one such brat living in a million dollar apartment next to me. (but hates her parents).
These are clueless brats. Knowing NOTHING about how this city works nor about life in general. But know enough to know Daddy's wealth insulates them from their stupidity, tucked safely away in FiDi lux hi rises. That's the Zohran base, selling moral virtue to willing buyers who are able to offload the consequences to the working class.
Yes, the Zohran story is a Covid story. Covid, seemingly gone, but still punishing us.
So... China's germ lab?
This ^
Communist ideology will not die because the Richard Nixon dupes elected to prosecute prohibition laws SUBSIDIZED LOOTER CAMPAIGNS WITH TAX MONEY.
https://libertariantranslator.wordpress.com/2015/09/05/nixons-anti-libertarian-law/
Brazil and most of Europe copied this "looters only" elections formula. Brazil now has the same gaggle of political parties Germany had in 1932. Are you happy now?
We need Mamdani. He’ll provide us the next Socialist failure. Apparently people have very short memories. Isn’t Venezuela recent enough? Guess not.
But of course Socialism hasn’t been done correctly yet. Apparently it isn’t possible to do correctly is it?
New Yorkers deserve to get what they vote for…..good and hard!
Capitalism is NOT a system of government; on the contrary, capitalism is the by-product of freedom which can only be brought about by a libertarian republic system of government.
Socialism is a system of government that is brought about through brute force upon the population with the intended effect of making everyone the economic equal of everyone else, but there's a problem. Not all of us are born with the same intelligence, or work ethic, or creativity, or physical skills -- that's why it has to be forced on the entire population by a group of elites who benefit greatly from being in charge while everyone else wallows in the misery of mediocrity.
This is New York's FAFO moment.
In Maryland, we get to choose from:
Amtrak for Passenger Trains
PEPCO for Electricity
Verizon for landline phone
Comcast for cable TV
Washington Gas for our natural gas heat
WSSC - for water and sewer service
As opposed to
the county for roads, fire department, and police (among others)
Notice how there is no choice for any of it? One place to get everything, but in the first five, you have the cost of providing the business and slap on profits.
Just because you paint a private name on top of a government regulated service doesn't make it capitalism. Socialism doesn't die because no one is trying to kill it. When government monopolies are revoked, I'll take the sniveling about socialism more seriously.
That said, I'm skeptical of the grocery store idea and hope Mandani will have the good sense to pull the plug if it isn't accomplishing the goals set forth.
^this. Corporatism and socialism are oddly similar in practice.
"Millions more still live under socialism's long, dark shadow in North Korea, Cuba, and Venezuela."
See also China.
...and how fast China destructed during the USA Recession.
...and how fast Venezuela went from paradise to ruins.
Next BS excuse.
What-ever excuse it takes to support STEALING from those 'icky' people.
We are WAY into socialism - always have been - we combine (socialism) our tax dollars to do a MYRIAD of things - we get "private" health insurance as GROUP coverage (socialism) - we buy shoes that are made possible by the investments and toils of COUNTLESS other people (socialism). Our food depends on countless more (socialism).
There is essentially NO WAY for any of us to live without depending on SOCIETY (socialism) for many things. About the only thing you could do by yourself is BREATHE - and even then you'd depend on billions of other people to keep the air breathable.
In other words, GET OVER IT, almost everything can ONLY be done as a collective, and, with WAY better results than trying to do it yourself.
NO policy is EVER perfect - yes - socialism can go too far - yes there will be people who abuse it - but that does NOT mean it's not viable to a certain degree, and indeed sometimes it's the ONLY way to survive and thrive.
"Trading is Socialism! ...because if you can't Gov-Gun STEAL-IT you can't justly-trade it!" /s
Next BS Excuse.
Society ≠ Socialism you buffoon.
Voluntaryism says GFY.
So why does the socialist movement never seem to die?
Killing socialism takes knowledge takes knowledge and integrity. Supporting socialism requires only greed or envy. Since we ceded our education system to socialists they stopped teaching knowledge in favor of mythology like The 1619 Project and propaganda like Elizabeth Warren's fraudulent personal bankruptcy study.
It's not enough to force education professors and administrators to pretend they will stop racial and political discrimination. No matter what they say they will never follow through. The people who have corrupted our education system need to be removed from the system entirely and permanently.
Yeah, America is set up for people that get unlucky with health issues! I hope an NFL QB beats the shit out of me so I can’t work but all of my financial issues are solved!! 😉
NYC has a proven track record of picking awful Mayors, only rivaled by Chicago.
One hopes that Zohran's tenure might finally convince the truly stupid and selfish once again how bad ideas like his are, but I doubt it.
Long term, there really is only one good solution to keep this shit from happening - take the vote away from anyone who lives off of government handouts continuously. It is, after all, a conflict of interest to allow voting for people who's primary motivation there is to get more free stuff. It won't stop the AWFL's from voting, but it will take away their sheeple base.
Quick, who is the mayor of Houston??