Vance's Reaction to Racist Group Chats Will Embolden the Worst Republicans
Shrugging off the radicalization of right-wing political culture is a mistake.
Vice President J.D. Vance—the guy who falsely claimed that Haitian immigrants were eating cats and dogs in Springfield, Ohio—was upset after Politico reported "leaders of Young Republican groups" shockingly "referred to Black people as monkeys and 'the watermelon people' and mused about putting their political opponents in gas chambers. They talked about raping their enemies and driving them to suicide and lauded Republicans who they believed support slavery."
However, Vance wasn't noticeably outraged by the 251 times these GOP activists used vile terms or proclaimed admiration for Adolf Hitler. He instead was upset by the "pearl clutching" criticism of the chat group. In a feat of moral gymnastics, Vance reprinted a series of offensive text messages from Virginia's Democratic candidate for attorney general. Vice presidents used to embrace their role as national leaders who could calm passions rather than partisans who rub salt in every wound. No longer.
Normal people have the capability of, you know, condemning both things. But in MAGA-world.\, one never backs down nor criticizes one's own side. The most disingenuous part of Vance's post is where he excused these comments as coming from a "college group chat." Young Republican groups do include some college-aged members, but also professionals nearly the age of Vance. Identified commenters are well into adulthood, with one a chief of staff for a GOP lawmaker and another an elected state senator.
To their credit, the Young Republicans organization issued a strong denunciation of the comments, although I was horrified by reading the online responses to it. A large number of MAGA responders savaged the group for apologizing. In reality, none of this has taken place in a vacuum. The Republican Party that I knew from the 1980s to 2010s had many flaws, but it never tolerated this kind of cruelty and bigotry. Parties rot from the head down, and you know what happened in 2015.
The conservative movement always had many members of what's known as the Old Right, as well as classical liberals, with the latter dominating after World War II and throughout the Cold War. Old Rightists were hostile to free markets and preferred big-government economic policies such as tariffs. They embraced a more isolationist foreign policy that despises international cooperation (NATO, the United Nations). They prefer exerting U.S. power rather than promoting what they see as namby-pamby concerns about human rights.
Most significantly, the Old Right always saw America as a nation built by a specific people (white Anglo-Saxons and Christians) and rejected the view of America as a democratic idea that's welcoming to all peoples. The Trump-controlled GOP signals the triumph of that form of conservatism and the end of Reaganism. Read former GOP presidential candidate Pat Buchanan if you doubt me. I'm not the first person to notice how closely the party now mirrors his ideas.
So none of this edge-lording is surprising in a party that has swapped Ronald Reagan's uplifting "City on a Hill" slogan for "mass deportation" placards. I admittedly spend too much time on social media, but I've been shocked over the last few years as I've read an increasing amount of bile from members of a party who used to know better. To paraphrase theologian David Bentley Hart, Trump removed the sewer cover, and we see what's oozed out.
Look at the online ecosystem. Candace Owens and Nick Fuentes have practically become mainstream. Popular broadcaster Tucker Carlson hosts guests with rather unusual takes about Nazi Germany. An older Republican activist, a few years ago, warned me that the new crop of online-focused young, mostly male GOP activists likes to revel in far-right tropes. Unfortunately, the party is no longer run by adults who can guide them. In a few months, I expect these Young Republicans to restart their GOP careers without missing a beat.
And the administration always doubles down. It certainly isn't interested in assuaging concerns about the authoritarian and racially tinged direction in which the movement appears to be headed. On the day the news broke about the chats, The New York Times reported that the administration is "considering a radical overhaul of the U.S. refugee system that would slash the program to its bare bones while giving preference to English speakers, white South Africans and Europeans who oppose migration." Old Righters have been calling for this for years.
Yes, yes, the Left has tons of its own anti-Semitic and racist baggage. I also know conservative activists are in some ways reacting to the oversensitivity of progressives, who built a cultural system that shames people for accidental slights such as referring to others by the wrong pronoun. But something is deeply amiss in the modern conservative movement. If you believe that concern about these chats is just pearl-clutching at "boys-will-be-boys" behavior, then you're not paying attention to the frightening radicalization of young MAGA culture.
This column was first published in The Orange County Register.
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You guys still allow shrike to post in your online ecosystem...
Mape(D)o types are apparently welcome here.
And continue to employ Matt “Red Wedding” Welch.
No ink for the Maine (D) senate hopeful? Guess he has the reich stuff, no?
"I love Hitler."
"I was young and drunk and didn't know it was a Totenkopf."
"From the River to the Sea."
"Some people have to suffer the loss of their children in order to change policy."
This isn't difficult. ChatGPT could figure it out. I'm pretty sure even Kammy Harris could put together a Venn diagram of 'naive/youthful edgelord stupidity', 'veiled threats backed by implied force/mob action', and 'open calls for the killing of innocent children specifically to influence (social) policy by a political leader' and point to the subset that Greenhut is defending/deflecting on behalf of.
Yeah. I did not see any tattoos nor any calls to murder children to teach their parents a lesson.
Not sure why I should even pretend to give a shit when Stevie here does not.
I doubt it's large amount of people and there will always be nut cases. Unfortunately social inflates the numbers of these people. Now the the socialist on the other side is a whole other thing.
> Normal people have the capability of, you know, condemning both things. But in MAGA-world, one never backs down nor criticizes one's own side.
It's called a cult.
Poor shrike. Not doing so well are ya buddy.
I still haven't seen reason actually condemn both. Only when they can both sides and issue do they ever try to condemn a Democrat.
There is, of course, plenty in the Reason vaults that deal with and skewer all manners of left-wing hatred, propaganda, bad ideas, etc.
But 2 things have to happen: remove your layers upon layers of self-pity, and rid yourself of confirmation bias, through exorcism if necessary.
If you can pull that off (who am I kidding - we know you can't), then I suggest using the search function at the top (magnifying glass looking-thing) and have fun.
The Reason vaults scrubbed shrike’s post linking to child pornography. Poor sarc.
“Dingerrrr…… Dinnnngerrrr….”
“OMG, is that the ok symbol?”
“Tracy Chapman! Appropriation! ARRGGH!”
Lol. Yeah, fuck you, dude. They leave no stone unturned in the search for imagined offenses to enrage their gullible base of moronic anti racists and tranny activists. And they’re the ones doing the shooting. And then they clutch pearls about morons in a chat group?
Idiot.
In this particular case, we have one entire article calling out Republicans reaction to a massive group chat with bad racist jokes and comments. The people were condemned and removed by the org.
There hasn't been one entire article on the Jay Jones texts or any of the other leaked messages from Dems recently. The only article about him talks about the hypocrisy of gun control advocates calling for violence. Didn't talk about the reactions from Dems.
So in the this particular case, you're wrong. And as a whole over the last few years, sure there are articles discussing left wing violence. That's mainly because the left has committed a lot of fucking political violence in those years. Yet the magazine staff still churns out much more negative repub articles than negative dem.
No, fuck rag. The cult is composed of those who think everything Trump does is wrong and that these chats were anything but jokes. But horses asses like you aren't even aware of what a fucking joke is anymore?
Fuck off you evil POS. Some kids privately say some stupid shit and you're trying to find it into a national issue that all Republicans must denounce repeatedly. Meanwhile you run cover for literal Nazis and communists murdering people and claim all of that has nothing to go with anyone or anything while sanctioning the attacks on conservatives
Fine, we'll play your game. YOU are responsible for the murder of Charlie Kirk and need to face consequences for your crime you commie Antifa scum.
"Kids" in their 30s talk about gassing people in group chats? What emotionally stunted morons do you hang out with?
A Maine oyster farmer sure did.
He doesn’t have a membership card, but he (D)id get the tattoo.
"Kids" in their 30s talk about gassing people in group chats? What emotionally stunted morons do you hang out with?
Yes, we should really seek to emulate emotionally balanced political candidates like Jay Jones, who said he wants to put a bullet in the heads of children in front of their parents.
Clutch more pearls, Stephen. Clutch them harder.
Are we back to “words are violence “?
For the Left - they've always been violent.
For the Right - now, unfortunately, they are too.
Because Extremism Begets More Extremism. Not rational discourse. If you really believe that the Right's response to all the Lefty craziness was actually going to be Reasonable, then I'm afraid your education wasn't a good one.
Poor sarc
Young republicans removed the kids on that chat.
Democrats rallied the wagons behind theirs.
Maybe that's a better article Greenhut?
Nah, it wouldn’t satisfy his derangement syndrome.
derangement syndrome
Imagine for a moment that your political philosophy has gone so far off the rails with obliviousness, self-aggrandizement, flagrant dishonesty and historical revisionism, whimsical oppression, and insane ideological purity that even David Duke quietly backs out of the room and goes to find people more grounded in reality.
Ctrl-F: “Jay Jones”: none found.
Vice presidents used to embrace their role as national leaders who could calm passions rather than partisans who rub salt in every wound.
Exactly, Greenhut, like how you also called out Vance, back in '20 when he said this about violent rioters:
"it's no wonder people are taking to the streets. And I support them!"
Oh wait, that was a different VP...
Is there a link to this quote?
Imagine being so politically untethered and deranged that both the white supremacist racists *and* the Jews look at what you say and think politically, nod in agreement, and say "That's fucked up." to each other.
You're entire political philosophy in 3 posts.
Dude gets a Nazi tattoo - Reason sleeps.
Robbie did have an article on it. But overall mentioned less than these kids.
The funny part is I don't give a fuck that the socialist might also be a national socialist. I was open to believing it was a young guy's error and that it otherwise had sentimental value. Further updates after that article make it seem less defensible.
We watched thousands, if not millions, cheer and advocate for more after Kirk's assassination. We have prominent D politicians expressing their heartfelt desire to murder their opponent's entire family. We have daily crime and violence from the left with the media and normie dems either quiet or supporting it. Despite all this Reason was incredibly concerned about people exercising their freedom of association from those assholes. Now Greenhut (and most of the other writers if you peek at X) have their panties in a bunch because some relatively unknown Rs told edgy jokes in a group chat. They've been removed from their positions. No defense of free speech here?
Fucking unprincipled hacks.
Wait, so Reason wants the vice president to cancel kids over their speech? Weren't they complaining about the opposite in regards to Kimmel just a week or two ago?
Yesterday Stoss had an article about DJT admin quelling speech.
Apparently Greenhut thinks this sort of behavior is acceptable from Bernie Sanders but not from Vance?
So once again, I am telling you, that Vance is wrong.
Looked like sarcasm and humor about how MAGA conservatives are portrayed to me. Their mistake was thinking that their private chat was actually private. If you read the whole chat log and conclude that they were actually expressing admiration for Hitler, I don't know what to say.
Reason is now composed of retards. At least the "re" still works.
And if you spend a decade telling a certain group that they are all irredeemable racist garbage, don't be surprised when they say "fine, fuck it". I'm not defending it all here, but don't be surprised when predictable shit happens.
Are there really "worse" Republicans? They are all dumb ass bigot shits.
At least their not simping for illegalkind like you and your kind!
Look at what your precious illegals did to this white girl!
https://x.com/CatchUpFeed/status/1980981313160237284
White Girls Matter!
Tony is scared of vaginas, so he don’t care if the rapefugees unilaterally impose “open borders” on them.
Mollie Tibbets
Kayla Hamilton
Rachel Morin
Laken Riley
Al of them white girls who were murdered because illegals wanted to rape their white pussies!
Make no mistake.
simping for illegals is rooted in anti-white animus.
I know this because the same people who excuse illegal immigration because whites are not indigeous to North America ALSO support mass migration into Europe where whites ARE indigenous, instead of saying that white Europeans get to gun down invaders en masse.
They believe in this colonizer-colonizee dynamics. They feel that whites are responsible for all the evil in the world, so they support violent criminals immigrating in and committing crimes against whites, especially sex crimes against white girls.
They cheered the Colonge Sex Attacks.
2015–16 New Year's Eve sexual assaults in Germany - Wikipedia
Of course, if little black boys like AJ Wise are killed by illegals, they just consider it collateral damage!
White Girls Matter!
Those rapes are evil and the race of the innocent victim is unimportant to me.
Congrats. You are king of the retards.
"dumb ass bigot shits"...oh the irony.
This is pathetic Steven.
You shot the most peaceful American in the neck, cheered it on, mocked it in your "I don't know how American government works" parades - all the while trying to dox and kill anyone doing a job WE WANT THEM TO DO - and you're whining because the Veep thinks that the equivalent of a Call of Duty chatroom isn't worth a White House response.
Put your crocodile tears in a jar, seal it with wax, and shove it up your butt.
Good. Hopefully sometime in the not too distant future using the word "racist" in public will be sufficient grounds for getting punched in the face.
This is the most libertarianey libertarian article that this libertarian-esque libertarian website has ever produced!
Such libertarianism!
Ctrl F: Democrat
Returns: 2 (and one is only in admonishment of Vance reposting the Virginia AG’s texts)
You know, for an outfit that prides itself on showing how bad both sides are (and always makes sure to highlight such when Democrats get caught doing something heinous), the least you could do is pretend to be even when talking about Republicans.
Edit: oh, didn’t realize it’s Greenhut. Nevermind.
Yeah. I'm not buying it. I'd place bets some-to-most of these comments were posted by scam-artist [D]emon-rat agitators and you can guarantee the article was written by one.
What gives it away is Republicans are 100% against [Na]tional So[zi]al[ism]. Trump himself has denounced this publicly multiple times. It's exactly what the other side is pushing for while they run around self-projecting that onto others in order to distract their own intentions. (Just as these commenters are doing).
Also, has any intrepid reporter bothered to find out if these were at all serious comments? Cause half of them read like the kinds of things leftists douchebags think that anyone to the right of Bernie Sanders thinks, but said sarcastically.
Also also: I’m sorry if I don’t take the outrage over this chat seriously, especially coming from the same people who were chanting “From the River to the Sea” and unironically calling the war in Gaza a genocide just last week.
Is Reason equally offended by Biden's endorsement of state funded schools grooming children without their parent's knowledge or irreversibly surgically transitioning children? FUCK OFF!
Yes, Vance should be more vocal here, as any freedom-oriented person should be. But Reason can't write a well-reasoned article pointing out all the examples on both sides (and is woefully deficient in left-facing versions). Why? Reason is turning into another emotional parasite, like all other media. Fortunately we have the Free Press now. Perhaps where we all should go...
With the left not demanding the removal of Jay Jones they are only leading to more leftist political violence. A group chat with jokes is meaningless, someone calling for the murder of others and their children is the true problem.
"But something is deeply amiss in the modern conservative movement. If you believe that concern about these chats is just pearl-clutching at "boys-will-be-boys" behavior, then you're not paying attention to the frightening radicalization of young MAGA culture. ~ Steven Greenhut ~ Another unreasonable REASON Magazine journalist."
No Mr. Greenhut we're not under reacting to another. You have a bad case of the "Woke Right" blues. Its not the exact same as TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) but it's similar. The whole "Woke Right" BS is something that James Lyndsey came up with to combat the success of the anti-woke left movement he helped lead. "What The Fu.." you're likely asking your self? Why would Lyndsey fight back against something he started? Lyndsey like many such as Bill Maher may not be the far left extremist woketards that much of the Left has become but they absolutely do NOT want America to return to its roots by any means! They want us to abandon the woke left but only so far as too return too a more Obama or even Clinton era like society. A society that is still anti-Christian and pro-degeneracy but not to the extremes the woke Left took it. What these anti-Christian types like Lyndsey far the most is that the pendulums might swing so far back to the right that we return to a pre-sexual revolution like era, a time like the 50's when most women were mentally and physically healthy and staying at home as wives and mothers who raised their kids in a healthy and loving home. A time when it was possible to live off just the mans income and when non-whites and foreigners did not have such arrogant entitlement like attitudes. It wasn't a perfect time by any means, there were racial problems we must avoid ever revisiting but overall it was far superior to modern society.
Anti-Christina Democrats, Leftists and atheists worked long and hard to purge from our system any and all references to Christianity that they could and they fear that the success of the ani-woke left movement will cause us to swing back to that point versus stopping halfway and settling back to a Clinton like Democrat America. They greatly fear this for they know that if this is allowed to happen they may never be able to re-do the purge again. Unlike before the people will know in advance that most of what the Left is saying are lies so it will be much, MUCH harder to con them into abandoning things like faith. They KNOW that if people today get a taste of what it was like then, its over for the Left.
I believe Mr Greenhut has a case of the "Woke Right Flu" fearing that Americans as a whole may seek to return to a period like the 50's. So to combat this he and the rest are finding problems that do not exist, exaggerating and making mountains out of molehills. Then again this is the unreasonable staff of REASON magazine so none of us should be surprised.