Vaccine Skeptics Said That COVID Shots Would Cause Mass Death. We're Still Here.
Their predictions that millions, even billions would die haven't borne out.
Millions, perhaps even billions of us who got ourselves vaccinated against COVID-19 should be dead by now, or if not yet, very soon. For years, prominent wellness influencers and other internet personalities have predicted that mRNA vaccines will lead to mass casualties. Infectious disease clinician Neil Stone has helpfully (and amusingly) compiled a number of such dire predictions.
First up, enjoy health hustler David Wolfe's graphic from 2021.

Stone jauntily observes: "5 billion of us got Covid vaccines. Apparently we all have 2 months left to live. Better make the most of it!"
In 2021, Dolores Cahill, an immunologist at the School of Medicine of University College Dublin, notoriously asserted in an independent documentary that "everybody who has an mRNA injection will die within 3 to 5 years, even if they have had only one injection." In August, Stone puckishly asked, "Anyone out there who got a Covid vaccine and is still alive?"
In August 2024, vaccine naysayer Steve Kirsch snarkily posted that "25% of people who got the COVID shot regret it. The others are dead." Stone snarked back, "Anyone out there who has had the Covid vaccine, is not dead, and does not regret it? I'll start. Me." Me, too.
On August 23, conspiracy theorist Alex Jones expanded the amount of time that we vaccinated folks have left before we shuffle off this mortal coil when he posted that "27 peer reviewed Doctors stated that 100% of those who are vaccinated will die by 2028 due to the mRNA tech in the vaccine." Stone drily observed, "Apparently 3 years left for me and 6 billion others. How shall we spend them?"
And let's not forget perhaps the most absurd claim, this time from our current Health and Human Services secretary, who in 2021 called the Pfizer mRNA COVID-19 vaccine "the deadliest vaccine ever made."
Claims like these have been proven wrong time and again. Given the counterfactual nature of such estimates, it is hard to pin down just how many lives the COVID-19 vaccines globally saved. Estimates range from a high of about 20 million in the first year after vaccines became available to a low of around 2.5 million deaths averted by 2024.
If mass vaccine deaths are imminent, it is not evident in the global life expectancy trends. Since the rollout of billions of mRNA shots beginning in 2021, global life expectancy has risen from 70.9 years to 73.2 years in 2024. (Life expectancy fell during the pandemic from 72.6 years in 2019 to 70.9 years in 2021.)
Despite these dire warnings, President Donald Trump, who presided over Operation Warp Speed, the fastest vaccine rollout in history, got his COVID-19 booster shot earlier this month.
Disclosure: I have had nine mRNA COVID-19 shots so far.
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If two victims make a mass shooting, then the vaccine caused mass deaths.
Were you wearing a face diaper when you posted that?
If so, how many social messaging pieces of flair were on it?
I had the Pink Floyd Darkside of the moon cover face mask!
Could you get that in Any Colour You Like?
When the Karens with Brain Damage started trying to track unmasked me down, we didn’t have much Time as we were On the Run; a case of Us and Them. I remained unmasked and enjoyed that I could Breathe in the Air.
It looked a lot like congress wanted Money from their pharma shares, which seemed to Eclipse even the forever war stocks.
Shine on, you crazy diamond
As it would seem unreasonable for Reason to host editorial collectives that never sleep, or mindless Bots that never dream,
why do we have to put up with Chumby 24-7 ?
How’s your fake vvhatsupwith that crap doing? Doing as vvell as SSqrlsy’s vvebsite?
Wait, weren't we told that COVID itself would cause mass deaths? And we're... still here? Shouldn't the average person know at least half a dozen people who died from COVID? The number of people I personally know that died from COVID is 0. The number of people I personally know who was hospitalized for COVID is 0.
And really? You picked this as your example of failed covid predictions? We spent almost 4 years with plexi-shields at the grocery store counter, one-way-only grocery store aisles. Masking for toddlers, 100% vaccine efficacy that dropped to nearly 0% after only a few weeks, a global COVID censorship regime that went completely apeshit between 2020 and 2024, actual real scientists who were proven right at every turn who were ostracized by Biden officials and THIS is the *lol-snort* article we get from Reason?
Also:
*ctrl-f myocar 0/0*
Really?
Also... Global Warming predictions that never came true:
pretty much all of them
"Pandemic of the unvaccinated."
"If you take the vaccine you can't get covid."
"Myocarditis is a conspiracy theory!"
Yes, the unvaccinated were more likely to catch the virus, and more likely to suffer the most severe symptoms or die This is a well documented fact, no matter how much you lie bout it.
You know what else causes myocarditis? The frickin' virus, you genius.
Oh, speaking of predictions, where's my Handmaid's tale where all the women-folk are breeding slaves? Where is it? I was promised that! WHERE IS IT?!!
Texas seems to be working on it, among other places.
I know of two who died. Everyone else lived. And I believe I have a minor heart issue, not sure but it wasn't there before the vaccine. I do not believe it is possible to know if the vaccine caused this. But it does not make me feel good.
He goes to the biggest strawman he can find then spends the whole article trying to dunk on skeptics and yet makes zero effort to look into the data. He concludes The Science was right all along because he isn't interested in investigating whether there is anything to their claims.
Even the "Infectious diseases doctor" is self-flagellating stupid. He repeatedly implies "Because the measles and polio vaccines work so do the COVID vaccines." and that's to say nothing about the fact that, once we cured diseases with vaccines, governments became far more deadly, COVID is a direct result of government viral research, and the vaccines were literally forced on people, lots of whom died.
Even if you give him the benefit of the doubt on trading jokes/jabs/memes on the internet, his position is between dishonest shilling outside of his expertise and wishful thinking.
He had NINE shots.
He appears to plan to get more.
For a vaccine that does not, you know, work.
Fucking clown.
Yes, anything that doesn't work 100% of the time is obviously useless. So don't bother with seatbelts or motorcycle helmets.
600k bodies in the ground in the US within the first year alone isn't mass deaths?
The only climate change predictions that haven't come true were worst-case scenarios hyped by the media. Actual scientists said these were never likely.
“From” or “With”?
And one year? Thought it was just for two weeks.
Do recall a NY govunah (D) that concentrated a bunch of high risk folks, some of whom contracted and succumbed to the effects as team little L libertarian had portended would happen with such diabolical and callous irreverence.
So what's your point?
You deliberately conflate political/governmental responses to the disease with the disease itself. Libertarians really did choose to deny the disease itself. Which of course undermines all possible govt/political responses - and medical/vaccine responses.
But it proves that you people are clowns who shouldn't be taken seriously. After all - you don't hire aerospace engineers who believe that manned flight has never and cannot occur. They're just not useful or even interesting to talk to.
Which libertarians? All libertarians? You’re arguing a strawman.
He means you, Dumbo.
You have a cite I denied that covid did not exist?
Trump’s two biggest achievements—the Covid vaccine and surrendering to the Taliban. And in his second term so far it is forcing Netanyahu to agree to a ceasefire at the behest of Qatar…Qatar is arguably our most important ally and so placating them is more important than Netanyahu’s desire to eradicate Hamas.
I blame inflation.
Trump tariffs
More testing needed.
Smoot off.
They approved this article? Of all the things to make fun of from the pandemic, you choose the people opposed to forced vaccinations?Oh no hyperbole! Better call them all out 4 years later. Fucking weird
1. COVID causes deaths - Clearly yes, mainly in infirm people.
2. Vaccines cause deaths - Clearly yes, mainly in healthy people.
3. COVID was developed and released from a lab - Clearly yes.
What does this support? Keep the fucking government small, out of media, and out of this.
This should be the message from libertarians. Reason is turning into another rag subsiding from division, not philosophy or fact.
You are turning into the swirly thing in:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_of_the_Dove
1 caused likely over 20 million deaths worldwide. 2 caused a handful of proven deaths, likely more, but not even close to 1. And 1 would have caused way more deaths if not for 2. Nate Silver has the receipts. https://www.natesilver.net/p/the-2-key-facts-about-us-covid-policy
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
LOL. I guess you missed it when countries all started rebuking their original covid death data and admitted they initially overstated the covid deaths by 60% and more?
The trials, undisclosed at first, for the mRNA Pfizer vaccine showed more negative reactions from the vaccine than were witnessed for the swine flu vaccine which was pulled from the market. So why was the covid vaccine not pulled? The UK vaccine was pulled due to causing blood clots. Many people including myself had autoimmune reactions, it nearly blinded me and had me ill for months.
No mention how some countries tried to use Covid for terrorism? Iran, China and others appeared to incubate the virus and then sent people out around the world to spread it.
There's no way it was only 60%. No possible way. Not when the literal WHO guidelines to all countries was, if a person dies, and they test positive for COVID, list it as a COVID death.
WHO Guidelines:
Killing people is good ass long ass anti-vaxxers have their way in promoting anti-vaxism ass THE most fashionable of ALL Marks of Tribal Virtue!!!
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status?country=~All+ages
Just LOOK at the interactive graph right at the top of this link!!!! COVID deaths among the unvaccinated VASTLY outnumbered, and still outnumber, the deaths among the vaccinated!!! WHY do You Perfectly Lust SOOOO Much for death and suffering, LYING servant and serpent of communicable diseases?!?!
PS, "food" is dangerous! People get sick and even die from food poisoning!!! Be SAFE!!! STOP eating!!!!
https://www.businessinsider.com/conservative-radio-hosts-anti-maskers-death-covid-19-2021-9
At least 7 conservative radio hosts and anti-mask advocates have died from COVID-19 after bashing the vaccines
Intergalactic or Cosmic-Karmic ironic coincidence, maybe? Or candidates for Darwin Awards?
BTW, I am STILL waiting for “the science” concerning sneeze guards at the salad bars, to be settled! Meanwhile, “R” party governors are getting ready for FORBIDDING sneeze guards at the salad bars!!!
Who volunteers to eat what MAY be infected mucus from strangers, on their salads, in double-blind, MASSIVELY statistically significant studies, to settle this, for once and for all? Because I just KNOW, oh so VERY well, that once the “science” is settled, there will be NO tribalistic ideologues who will dispute these findings! We are ALL data-driven now!
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/10/centner-academy-vaccine-rules-leila-centner-david-centner
“Florida School Run by Idiots Says Vaccinated Students Must Stay Home for 30 Days After Each Shot”
This is the same school where a teacher told students not to hug their vaccinated parents for more than five seconds.
(End subtitles and excerpts).
See? We are ALL data-driven by now! My data says the OTHER (evil) tribe believes in vaccines, so MY tribe must BAN and SHUN the BAD tribe (and their cooties) as much as possible!
The unvaccinated are now CLEAN and the vaccinated are UNCLEAN! Civic-minded BAD! Afraid of micro-chips in vaccines GOOD! Black is white, and good is evil!
Unread
If you take a SSqrlsy post and overlay a Hank post so both can be seen, they adjust them just right you can see the picture of a schooner.
That guideline was ONLY done in the early stages of the disease. After it had obviously shown up in a community (someone dies with it) but before the disease spread is no longer controllable (locally epidemic).
The point from that public health perspective is - autopsies aren't very common and especially not in an epidemic. The point of attaching a COVID tag to a death involving COVID is to track and trace contacts. Course that's the part that the US didn't do. Rather one of many parts we didn't do which is why the US death rates were so high.
Once the disease has burned through, what gets tracked is excess mortality - statistical analysis - not specific causes of death which depend on autopsies.
Libertarians did an utterly crappy job of trying to propose an alternative way of dealing with disease. The need was there. The public health status quo was clearly incompetent. But libertarians chose to stick head up ass and deny disease itself.
If you are sick, stay at home.
If you are high risk for serious complications, it is your responsibility to make adjustments to minimize your chances of contracting it.
Face diapers are social messaging. If you want respiratory protection, you’ll need a professionally fitted properly selected PPE device. You would be free to wear a face diaper, but don’t force that garbage on others.
Don’t forcibly concentrate folks with a high risk to serious complications.
Don’t provide a blanket immunity to the vax manufacturers regarding their product safety.
Conduct a thorough investigation as to how it happened. If it was gain of function research by (some) US citizens, have a Nuremberg style trial to determine who knew and did what when. Punish any that violated laws and agreements to discourage a repeat event.
If you are sick, stay at home.
That is not what you people were saying and it's a platitude anyway. eg Measles can infect an entire school before symptoms appear in one kid. Smallpox was less contagious but still spread far before symptoms. Typhoid Mary infected 51-120 people while never having symptoms. TB or plague or ebola ensures that everyone in that home will become sick. 'Just the flu' is of course - not a fucking disease.
Are you advising to consult Dr Google (or Dr OpenEye) or should people go to the real doctor? What if they don't have a real doctor and it takes months to get an appointment? What if the doctor requires a face diaper in their office? When you clowns advise 'Just the Flu', then you are pretty much saying Don't need to stay at home if sick. Nothing will happen to you if you're young and libertarians are very well-known for ignoring all impact beyond self. People on the lower half of the ladder don't get paid staying at home. But hey - that's ok isn't it.
At least the pajama class remains ok - until their maid comes to clean (with sniffles or - shit - asymptomatic). Ooh - so fire the fucking maid even if you only THINK they might come to work sick. Do the same for every business where the pajama class might be mingling with gotta work even if sick class and hey presto - you people are the clowns who shut everything down compared to countries that understood the sick leave problem.
I was saying it. Other libertarians I know were. Who are these “you people” strawmen?
Now were are pivoting to measles? Monkeypox? HIV? TDS? Yeah, one could be asymptomatic and transmit it. That is why the second point was made.
Or go online and consimt with Dr Strawman! Maybe it would take twenty years for then to get an appointment so governments should have maintained and even strengthened the draconian measures! One’s personal health is their personal responsibility.
If a doctor advised me to wear a face diaper I’d fire that person for ignorance. Influenza is serious, kills thousands of Americans per year, and someone with it should stay home. Where are these phantom strawmen stating to ignore that? Libertarians aren’t getting sick, visiting your apartment, and coughing on you.
I think in some cases the progressive trust funders weren’t allowed to have the “help” visit though I do recall team D politicians ignoring their rules such as the DC mayor for some birthday party, the San Fran mayor too (?), Fauci at a baseball game, Pelosi at the hair salon, and of course the Summer of Love mostly peaceful riots.
I’m not responsible for you. If I’m sick, I stay at home. If you are sickly, you are responsible for managing that.
Maybe Reason commenters did, but there's not much overlap between those and libertarians.
Mike Laursen was pushing the vax. Demjeff made the analogy that not bending the knee to Saint Fauci was akin to driving around with a bear in the trunk. Recall others supporting the govt imposed restrictions (except for those participating in the Summer of Love mostly peaceful riots).
Tony supported the restrictions.
I don't remember that, because it didn't happen But anything to keep the lies alive.
Evidence: some chick on Facebook.
Or... reality.
From Kung Flu Shrike, or with Kung Flu Shirke?
The number of "healthy" people killed by vaccines was tiny. The lab leak theory is plausible but hardly proven.
Yep. These retards are gullible above all else. They believe a bunch of "influencers" and randos on Facebook spouting garbage.
Lol. Shrike still defending his being a retard.
I think the lab leak theory is quite credible.
I don't think 'start a land war in Asia' is the way to deal with 'biological warfare' that turns out to be 'Just the Wuflu'. Which is bluntly what I think many commenters really did believe.
If any of this is true why don't they talk about excess deaths before and after the vaccine? Because that's the question they dodge. The vaccine deaths weren't "tiny". If they were then they wouldn't have shown up statistically and they did.
"The lab leak theory is plausible but hardly proven."
No the theory is pretty much proven at this point. The evidence that would appear if the alternative theory was true never appeared. Every single indication points to a lab leak and always did.
Ronald Bailey is
scienceFauci correspondent at Reason.Strange to trot this out six years after COVID was released on the world, five years after the Fauci ouchies.
Next week you'll do one on all the lies about COVID, right? The social distancing, the hand sanitizer, masking, and oh yeah, the thousands of actual deaths from Governor Cuomo and others, not to forget the ruined economy, last schooling, and all those actual injuries, as opposed to all these imaginary deaths? You'll be covering that, right?
My personal favorite was telling people, during business, school, and church shutdowns, that it was ok to go to the Peaceful Protest™.
In 5 years will we see a mea culpa on tariffs??
No. Trump has never admitted a mistake or apologized for anything in his life.
Neither have Jesse or any of the other Trumpies.
Irony from sarc Jr being wrong on every prediction lol. God damn youre pathetic.
Waiting on those ripples still buddy.
Sorry youre a failure on any complex subjects.
Name a single prediction I have made.
You can't because I didn't.
Sorry not sorry you're a failure on plain definitions like tariffs and trade deficits. If you can't get even those definitions right, how can you have any hope of thinking at all, let alone on simple subjects.
I doubt it, you'll never admit Trump's an economic ignoramus, that tariffs are domestic taxes, and that trade deficits and foreign investment are the same thing.
It is amazing watching the guy who agrees with king retard sarc and has been wrong on every outcome continue to pretend he is educated on the subject he has been wrong on for 9 months. Ripples right? On the day yet more CPI numbers came out. Lol.
Go on. Cite those "outcomes" I've been wrong on. I've listed two of the most basic ones you are always wrong on, tariffs as taxes and trade deficits equaling foreign investment. All you can do is repeat your claims to have invisibly refuted me.
Yeah, CPI, funny how you grasp at straws. Job creation fell, you disparaged it for lying about Trump. BLS statistician got fired, you applauded. New figures came out even worse. Now you profess to believe more government statistics, even though Biden's last six months had lower inflation. Is that the best Trump can do?
Keep on crowing.
They've covered all those things more than once,but keep on lying.
Ron,
At the 51 second mark is a reference to your article regarding the Noravax vax efficacy being 100%. You still stand by that?
https://www.bitchute.com/video/PCAdtwAn1PNc/
- Chumby the little L libertarian and unvaxxed two time (TWO TIME!) survivor of covid.
Disclosure: I have had nine mRNA COVID-19 shots so far
That’s all I needed to hear, “science correspondent”.
"The Science" correspondent.
I believe that is "science" correspondent.
Vaccine Skeptics Said That COVID Shots Would Cause Mass Death. We're Still Here.
Not. Even. Retarded.
I know this has been asked in the forums before but the ability to mute Reason writers is still at the top of the feature request list, right?
Default setting of “mute.” Then I’d unmute Stoss, Lenore, and good Liz. And maybe Brian.
Then "mute" ALL of those whose facts Ye PervFectly disagree with, Oh Ye Pervfected One, and STOP bragging about Yer PervFected, Mind-Infected IGNORANCE!!! Please, for the sake of Government Almighty, and THE Dear Orange Leader, Bleeder of the Peons (one and the same, right now)!!!!
Queen Spermy Daniels may even THANK and SPANK Ye, in JUST the RIGHT way, if Ye PLEASE do this!!!!
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Robby is worth reading often enough. Still not great, but he isn't a lockstep partisan like most of his colleagues.
Or you could just, you know, not click the articles.
Or skip as soon as you see the byline. But some people just aren't happy unless they have something to bitch about.
Is this like us asking you to read a fuxking book to learn something dumdum?
I suggest Henry Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson, or even a dictionary, where you will find definitions of tariffs as domestic taxes, and trade deficit as being another name for foreign investments.
BTW, what’s our boy Bailey think about the FDA not releasing FOIA request info about the jabs for 55 years?
https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/wait-what-fda-wants-55-years-process-foia-request-over-vaccine-data-2021-11-18/
Maybe that’s the Libertarian angle that should be explored vs sneering at the anti-vaxxers, elitist fuck.
Infectious disease clinician Neil Stone has helpfully (and amusingly) compiled a number of such dire predictions.
Why does this feel so familiar? Ah, right:
“Karen” reporter Matt Yglesias runs around reporting cars with expired tags to authorities, gets obliterated online…
Is he doing to deny amnesty to everyone who said the vaccines would kill people but didn't stop anyone from getting one? You dumb asshat.
What a douchebag. As bad as NDGT or Bill Nye. At least "Dino Mommy" and similarly retarded thots have nice racks.
Reality: "The Science" has a credibility problem.
Neil Stone: I know! I'll wave my degree around like it means something, misinterpret internet memes and political commentary, and obliquely indicate that people making their own health decisions for themselves are stupid. That'll fix it!
They were not "vaccine skeptics", they were (and still are) dumb shits who were in a death cult.
A failed death cult.
At the time, PhDs were the largest group reluctant to get the vax when broken apart by level of education. The smart shits wanted to avoid the death cult.
You're not exactly one to talk about anyone being a "dumb shit", Dr. Retard.
Kill yourself.
"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have." - Thomas Jefferson (not a doctor)
Funny how when conspiracies and predictions don't pan out, they go down the memory hole. Not only are they forgotten, but the people who promoted them deny that it ever happened.
This is a great example of that.
Yes, you'd like it if all those Fauci Birk Watson conspiracies had been forgotten.
You what hurts?
Your liver, Sarc.
Cmon buddy. Hes the one you've been wrong with the entire economic discussion. Hmm.. wait.
That's the best rebuttal you have, to compare two people who scare you? That's supposed to be impressive or enlightening?
Vioxx didn't kill everyone who took it and it was withdrawn.
I have yet to see any compelling evidence that the COVID vaccines saved a single life.
Killing people is good ass long ass anti-vaxxers have their way in promoting anti-vaxism ass THE most fashionable of ALL Marks of Tribal Virtue!!!
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status?country=~All+ages
Just LOOK at the interactive graph right at the top of this link!!!! COVID deaths among the unvaccinated VASTLY outnumbered, and still outnumber, the deaths among the vaccinated!!! WHY do You Perfectly Lust SOOOO Much for death and suffering, LYING servant and serpent of communicable diseases?!?!
PS, "food" is dangerous! People get sick and even die from food poisoning!!! Be SAFE!!! STOP eating!!!!
Our world in low rent garbage data.
Twat, ye do SNIT-snot bleeve that innocent people DIE from FOOD POISONING!??!?!
STOP EATING RIGHT NOW to be SAFE, I BEG of Ye!!!
Hard to see anything with your eyes closed. People who got the vaccine were less likely to catch the virus, and less likely to die or suffer the most severe symptoms if they did. This is documented fact.
"Fact" - a frequently repeated fantasy shared by a group of delusional people who belong to the same cult.
The religion of "The Science" and its most sacred sacrament.
True believers should get all the shots at the same time. COVID, flu, rsv, shingles, pneumonia, pertussis, monkey pox, and more. If you aren't getting them all you are a denier and not a true believer and should be burned at the stake.
Excellent article. Now apply that sceptical logic to the failed climate change predictions, many of which were even more egregiously wrong.
Either a) the scaremongers are wrong as evidenced by their failed predictions or b) you can't discredit the entire theory because of a few outlier predictions. Which is it, Mr Bailey? Are you cherry-picking the very worst mRNA predictions and using them to discredit all sceptics? Or are climate sceptics as justified as you are here in calling out the failed predictions in that field, too?
This is one of the worst Bailey articles I can remember. Makes me wonder if he just realized he'd forgotten a deadline and threw this together in the middle of the night.
Still better than most of your economic posts. Same with boehm. But those are the same things. You have the same opinion as an ignorant comms major lol.
Like tariffs and trade deficits and foreign investments?
Here's a prediction: you will never admit Trump is an economic ignoramus. Better bookmark it.
'Disclosure: I have had nine mRNA COVID-19 shots so far.'
Holy fuck!
Were you this mentally deranged before the pandemic, or did the official government panic propaganda push you over the edge? And are you still driving by yourself with a face mask on?
9 shots? I can see taking the initial round of shots when the Govt/media were saying it would stop you from getting COVID, but to take 9 shots after it was clear that the shot didn't stop you from getting COVID takes a special kind of stupid.
Think about this. If you got the polio vaccine 9 times and still got polio, would you at least take 1 second to question the efficacy of it?
The vaccine mitigated severity. You do realize Covid is a bioweapon developed in a Chinese lab?? The vaccine was like a gas mask.
Fuck you. You were wrong about everything and your takeaway is that billions didn't die from the fake vax?
Some people said the covid shot had nanobots in it! What do you have to say now?
The shot turned me into a flamer…now all I want to do is listen to the Queen of Disco Donna Summer! It’s actually not that bad. 😉
Ron, you are clearly an evil retarded cancer.