Vaccine Skeptics Said That COVID Shots Would Cause Mass Death. We're Still Here.
Their predictions that millions, even billions would die haven't borne out.
Millions, perhaps even billions of us who got ourselves vaccinated against COVID-19 should be dead by now, or if not yet, very soon. For years, prominent wellness influencers and other internet personalities have predicted that mRNA vaccines will lead to mass casualties. Infectious disease clinician Neil Stone has helpfully (and amusingly) compiled a number of such dire predictions.
First up, enjoy health hustler David Wolfe's graphic from 2021.

Stone jauntily observes: "5 billion of us got Covid vaccines. Apparently we all have 2 months left to live. Better make the most of it!"
In 2021, Dolores Cahill, an immunologist at the School of Medicine of University College Dublin, notoriously asserted in an independent documentary that "everybody who has an mRNA injection will die within 3 to 5 years, even if they have had only one injection." In August, Stone puckishly asked, "Anyone out there who got a Covid vaccine and is still alive?"
In August 2024, vaccine naysayer Steve Kirsch snarkily posted that "25% of people who got the COVID shot regret it. The others are dead." Stone snarked back, "Anyone out there who has had the Covid vaccine, is not dead, and does not regret it? I'll start. Me." Me, too.
On August 23, conspiracy theorist Alex Jones expanded the amount of time that we vaccinated folks have left before we shuffle off this mortal coil when he posted that "27 peer reviewed Doctors stated that 100% of those who are vaccinated will die by 2028 due to the mRNA tech in the vaccine." Stone drily observed, "Apparently 3 years left for me and 6 billion others. How shall we spend them?"
And let's not forget perhaps the most absurd claim, this time from our current Health and Human Services secretary, who in 2021 called the Pfizer mRNA COVID-19 vaccine "the deadliest vaccine ever made."
Claims like these have been proven wrong time and again. Given the counterfactual nature of such estimates, it is hard to pin down just how many lives the COVID-19 vaccines globally saved. Estimates range from a high of about 20 million in the first year after vaccines became available to a low of around 2.5 million deaths averted by 2024.
If mass vaccine deaths are imminent, it is not evident in the global life expectancy trends. Since the rollout of billions of mRNA shots beginning in 2021, global life expectancy has risen from 70.9 years to 73.2 years in 2024. (Life expectancy fell during the pandemic from 72.6 years in 2019 to 70.9 years in 2021.)
Despite these dire warnings, President Donald Trump, who presided over Operation Warp Speed, the fastest vaccine rollout in history, got his COVID-19 booster shot earlier this month.
Disclosure: I have had nine mRNA COVID-19 shots so far.
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If two victims make a mass shooting, then the vaccine caused mass deaths.
Were you wearing a face diaper when you posted that?
If so, how many social messaging pieces of flair were on it?
I had the Pink Floyd Darkside of the moon cover face mask!
Could you get that in Any Colour You Like?
When the Karens with Brain Damage started trying to track unmasked me down, we didn’t have much Time as we were On the Run; a case of Us and Them. I remained unmasked and enjoyed that I could Breathe in the Air.
It looked a lot like congress wanted Money from their pharma shares, which seemed to Eclipse even the forever war stocks.
Shine on, you crazy diamond
It sure felt like I woke up on the dark side of the moon!
It was the LP cover print, in black of course.
Sadly, and like most, I had to bend the knee to continue working, lucky enough to be considered essential.
Everyone experiencing that should have their eyes open to how the vast majority of people have to live in this world and be thankful it went away where it did in western society.
The question is how does what remains get removed? What measures have been put in place to never allow this to occur again?
It's apparent there is an assault of freedom and liberty of the individual and individualism.
The war is being fought and has been for some time.
"Sadly, and like most, I had to bend the knee to continue working, lucky enough to be considered essential."
How badly did the VAX hurt You? If customers PREFER to frequent stores and hospitals and surgeons and immune-compromised-patients-facilities, and SNOT get infected by ideological IDIOTS who REFUSE to get vaccinated and-or wear masks, what about THEIR rights, ass well ass the rights of employers, who sign our paychecks? If I have ideological beliefs that dictate that I should stay home and get drunk every day, instead of showing up for work, should MY rights, too, be enforced on the employers?
You clearly have decided to ignore fact and truth and spew lies and hate.
Sad you are like this but I am not sorry though you should be.
My wife died after struggling with being immune compromised. I am glad, though, that EVIL FASCIST FUCKERS in my state did NOT succeed in mandating that STUPID doctors who did SNOT BLEEVE in masks and vaccines, were NOT mandated to be continued to be employed at our hospital! Life is precious to SOME of us, at least!
As it would seem unreasonable for Reason to host editorial collectives that never sleep, or mindless Bots that never dream,
why do we have to put up with Chumby 24-7 ?
How’s your fake vvhatsupwith that crap doing? Doing as vvell as SSqrlsy’s vvebsite?
What's the url?
You previously posted its address on the vvorld vvide vveb many times.
Public Asshole, fuck off and take your fake website with you,
Here in NC a guy that got into a motorcycle accident was reported to have died from Covid. So did a dude that fell off a ladder.
Early on here when the only cases were couple folks in 3 different old folks homes, no other cases in months since it was first known about and it is in an old folks home.
Then the people in palliative care were being recorded as Covid deaths. All with comorbidity and are on their way out already were claimed Covid deaths.
The data showed people dying all had comorbidity, healthy people including some elderly who were healthy, were not dying.
Then the BLM riots, how wealthy "the organizers" became aside, proved when thousands of people not spaced 6 feet apart and not wearing masks did not cause outbreaks nor any concern by the authoritarians or the complicit media of any sort of spread of covid while people were arrested for being the only person on the ocean surfing
People should have stopped calling un-vaccinated people murderers, deplorable, racist, misogynist and directing all their hate towards who was deemed, the other.
Since then the psychosis has worsened proven by those with it as witnessed daily in the rantings of the TDS addled.
Well, for the elderly, state governors were their worst enemy. Sent to die in what can only be described as death camps (nursing homes) or put in another death camp(hospital) where they were given remdesivir and put on oxygen, where they died in droves.
Yeah the hypoerbole is thick everywhere. It is difficult to find the corrected record.
Yes Cuomo nonsensically did as you say but not all. And the fact is the only people who were suffering or dying from Covid had comorbidity and were on their way out.
Truth is this version of coronavirius was chosen by the bat lady from over 1000 different variations and had gain of function performed because it naturally attacked the weak and the elderly in the bat populations.
This of course would be considered beneficial in a totalitarian communist country were the elderly and the weak are simply a burden due to non productivity and a drain on resources.
Economists looked at two States, Ohio and Florida, where party registration was public data. They put that data together with deaths from all causes. They found that Republican and Democratic deaths were about equal up to the release of the vaccines after which the Republican death toll soared over that of Democrats. Using deaths from all causes avoids the issue of what is on death certificates, and the soaring difference between Republicans and Democrats just as the vaccine was released is strong evidence for the vaccine suppressing the Covid death toll.
Much of the anti covid vaccine hyperbole was a reaction to the claims of the Covidions who babbled that billions would die from what was essentially a bad flu. I doubt the vaccinations harmed too many people, but I also doubt they saved very many.
100%. And healthy young people people DID die from miocarditis.
The fact than many people didn't die is NOT a good reason to use Government force to mandate a thing.
Wait, weren't we told that COVID itself would cause mass deaths? And we're... still here? Shouldn't the average person know at least half a dozen people who died from COVID? The number of people I personally know that died from COVID is 0. The number of people I personally know who was hospitalized for COVID is 0.
And really? You picked this as your example of failed covid predictions? We spent almost 4 years with plexi-shields at the grocery store counter, one-way-only grocery store aisles. Masking for toddlers, 100% vaccine efficacy that dropped to nearly 0% after only a few weeks, a global COVID censorship regime that went completely apeshit between 2020 and 2024, actual real scientists who were proven right at every turn who were ostracized by Biden officials and THIS is the *lol-snort* article we get from Reason?
Also:
*ctrl-f myocar 0/0*
Really?
Also... Global Warming predictions that never came true:
pretty much all of them
"Pandemic of the unvaccinated."
"If you take the vaccine you can't get covid."
"Myocarditis is a conspiracy theory!"
Yes, the unvaccinated were more likely to catch the virus, and more likely to suffer the most severe symptoms or die This is a well documented fact, no matter how much you lie bout it.
You know what else causes myocarditis? The frickin' virus, you genius.
Yes, the unvaccinated were more likely to catch the virus, and more likely to suffer the most severe symptoms or die
No, old fat people, who were already more susceptible to catching severe illnesses regardless, were the most likely to suffer the most severe symptoms or die.
Documented for, what, six months? About as long as it took the virus to mutate to Delta. By Omicron, six months later, there was only maybe 10% cross reactivity between that variant and the antibodies produced as a result of Wuhan ModRNA jabs being utilized.
Turns out that there is a decently high correlation between being heaviness vaxed and boosted, and repeat bouts of COVID-19. Both Fauci and Biden, fully vaxed, caught it at least five times each.
Oh, speaking of predictions, where's my Handmaid's tale where all the women-folk are breeding slaves? Where is it? I was promised that! WHERE IS IT?!!
Texas seems to be working on it, among other places.
Telling you you can’t kill your fetus is a far cry from forced impregnation. Get a fucking grip.
If you willingly get laid with a man, you are accountable for your pregnancy. Nothing is forced.
They are working with the fags by letting gays rent their wombs.
When access to a uterus becomes a right, then we'll have our Handmaid's Tale.
I know of two who died. Everyone else lived. And I believe I have a minor heart issue, not sure but it wasn't there before the vaccine. I do not believe it is possible to know if the vaccine caused this. But it does not make me feel good.
He goes to the biggest strawman he can find then spends the whole article trying to dunk on skeptics and yet makes zero effort to look into the data. He concludes The Science was right all along because he isn't interested in investigating whether there is anything to their claims.
Even the "Infectious diseases doctor" is self-flagellating stupid. He repeatedly implies "Because the measles and polio vaccines work so do the COVID vaccines." and that's to say nothing about the fact that, once we cured diseases with vaccines, governments became far more deadly, COVID is a direct result of government viral research, and the vaccines were literally forced on people, lots of whom died.
Even if you give him the benefit of the doubt on trading jokes/jabs/memes on the internet, his position is between dishonest shilling outside of his expertise and wishful thinking.
He had NINE shots.
He appears to plan to get more.
For a vaccine that does not, you know, work.
Fucking clown.
Yes, anything that doesn't work 100% of the time is obviously useless. So don't bother with seatbelts or motorcycle helmets.
When the propaganda claims that something will prevent someone from catching COVID, and has to be changed afterward as simply lessening the severity of symptoms, then no, it didn't work.
Did it prevent transmission? No.
Did it prevent catching it? No.
It failed as a vaccine.
All of the best scientists change the definition of. A word in order to be correct from a legal stand point
600k bodies in the ground in the US within the first year alone isn't mass deaths?
The only climate change predictions that haven't come true were worst-case scenarios hyped by the media. Actual scientists said these were never likely.
“From” or “With”?
And one year? Thought it was just for two weeks.
Do recall a NY govunah (D) that concentrated a bunch of high risk folks, some of whom contracted and succumbed to the effects as team little L libertarian had portended would happen with such diabolical and callous irreverence.
So what's your point?
vvhat?
600k bodies in the ground in the US within the first year alone isn't mass deaths?
We have that many EVERY FUCKING YEAR from heart disease. Where's your mass panic over that?
The only climate change predictions that haven't come true were worst-case scenarios hyped by the media. Actual scientists said these were never likely.
You mean the climate change predictions hyped by pretty much every neoliberal globalist org on the planet, including the UN and every western academic institution? The same ones who went out of their way to marginalize anyone dissenting from those predictions of doom? Climate change alarmism is a death cult for neoliberal elites, and always has been.
No. The predictions that arise from five things anonymous trolls never do.
Building experiments, collecting data , running the numbers, fact checking them with peer review and publishing the results.
LOL, please. I know you want to pretend the last 40-plus years or so of elite neolib green catastrophic apocalypticism never happened, but that wasn't the reality.
As for "peer review," these are the same scientists that published an article talking about how glaciers are racist, so you can save the appeals to authority, too.
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600k bodies in the ground in the US within the first year alone isn't mass deaths?
A few notes on whether the covid vax is/was actually effective
approx 78% of covid deaths were in the 65+ age group
Approx 85% of that age group were vaxed (approx 70% by March 2021)
covid deaths in the US as of Jan 31, 2021 were approx 500k
Covid deaths after jan 31, 2021 were approx 700k
Jan 31, 2021 was the end of the second major wave in the US. The rate of Deaths after the second wave of covid is in the upper range of deaths of the historical trend of pandemics. If the covid vax was actually effective, then the rate of deaths should have been significantly below the historical range, instead the rate of deaths is on the high end of the historical range.
See worldometers - in approx 3/4 of the US states, the rates of death were higher after the vax.
It was 250K. And it was "had" COVID, not "because of".
And there is not a single climate change prediction that has come true. It is not a science as it has precisely zero predictive value.
"The only climate change predictions that haven't come true were worst-case scenarios hyped by the media. Actual scientists said these were never likely."
You.
Are.
Full.
Of.
Shit.
"Wrong Again: 50 Years of Failed Eco-pocalyptic Predictions"
https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions/
Those failed predictions you cite didn't happen because people listened to scientists and did something about it. People aren't listening to climate scientists so we will undergo some severe problems. https://politicsofthelastage.blogspot.com/2022/12/the-everlasting-softness-of.html
You deliberately conflate political/governmental responses to the disease with the disease itself. Libertarians really did choose to deny the disease itself. Which of course undermines all possible govt/political responses - and medical/vaccine responses.
But it proves that you people are clowns who shouldn't be taken seriously. After all - you don't hire aerospace engineers who believe that manned flight has never and cannot occur. They're just not useful or even interesting to talk to.
Which libertarians? All libertarians? You’re arguing a strawman.
He means you, Dumbo.
You have a cite I denied that covid did not exist?
Trump’s two biggest achievements—the Covid vaccine and surrendering to the Taliban. And in his second term so far it is forcing Netanyahu to agree to a ceasefire at the behest of Qatar…Qatar is arguably our most important ally and so placating them is more important than Netanyahu’s desire to eradicate Hamas.
It's more fun to cite that you just said you enjoyed inhaling it
vveak gaslighting attempt. vvoefully vveak.
Yes, we were. There were nuts on both sides. Some predicted death from the shots, Dems in the Government predicted mass deaths if we didn't get the shots. Rational people declined the shots as the claims being made by the government made no sense and the shots were not adequately tested. Besides, being forced by the government to inject an untested experimental gene therapy should give everyone pause.
I did not take the vax - because, based on my fitness level, and other health factors, my individual risk was extremely low even at age 65 at the time.
Did not become eligible for the vax until march 2021, since that was then typical bottom of the wave, no reason to get vaxed in the "low" season. Originally considered getting vax in Oct/nov 2021. However, by July 2021, it was well known that vax was only effective for 5-6 months , so why get something that wasnt effective. It was also well known that the actual infection provided much more robust long term immunity, therefore why get marginal protection.
It's quite easy to estimate the consequences of vax v disease re mortality.
In 2020, there was no vax but not a lot of exposure to the disease either. In 2021 and by end of winter 2021/2022, very different context (vax is available to all, disease infection tips to near-pandemic, vax uptake is highly political, disease itself has just mutated to less dangerous) but easier to structure a study of excess mortality (not just 'covid').
Reality is that excess deaths were non-politically distributed in 2020. Old people bore the brunt of deaths. The have-to-work-even-when-sick class bore the brunt of hospitalizations. It all followed how a disease actually spreads.
In 2021 and after, the deaths divide along political lines - esp visible because there was a 2020 election so very easy to look at current voter registration and deaths - within voting patterns and vax uptake by county. Old people everywhere still had higher death rates. But R voters in the most R counties had 43% higher mortality than elsewhere. And when adjusted for age, the difference approached 200%. IOW - look at the age 40-65 cohort - and you're talking about fat R's in R counties where everyone else is fat too (so fat is normal not a comorbidity) and there's huge pressure not to vax. Those folks are the ones who clogged the hospitals - and then died in much larger numbers than that same cohort elsewhere.
Now maybe there was an element of sacrificial political populism - of people willing to die just to voice resistance against the man. Similar to political fasting. But if so - it was very quiet and hence pointless. It's the anti-vaxxers and Just-the-flu deniers who killed their own.
Great comment, and I will add ivermectin prescriptions spiked big time in August 2021 during the Delta death surge and yet we had a southeast Delta death surge…so ivermectin as prescribed in Florida is ineffective. Florida also saw the median age of Covid death decline as older Floridians were more likely to have been vaccinated prior to politicization of the vaccine.
Also everyone in Hawaii ended up with Covid but as an island they had the easiest time implementing mitigation measures and so Hawaii has a very high vaccinated immunity as Covid spread was delayed until Omicron after everyone had more than enough time to get vaccinated and boosted. So Hawaii has low natural immunity and high vaccinated immunity and everyone got Covid and yet it has a very low Covid death rate and we aren’t seeing inexplicable deaths right now that could be attributed to the vaccines.
Finally, the anti vaxxers changed their conspiracy theories multiple times at one point even saying the vaccinated were getting infected and turbocharging Covid and then infecting the unvaccinated and then the vaccinated would die from the vaccines eventually.
Thinking back I don't know one person that was either hospitalized or died from Covid either. I know a couple that already had other respiratory or immunity problems and were hospitalized after catching Covid but they were already compromised and it didn't take much to send them over the edge. A common cold would have been enough.
I'm a fairly healthy adult in my late 50's who refused to wear a mask or take the shot. I caught Covid on a Friday afternoon. Felt like death Saturday, better Sunday and went back to work Monday. Before anybody gets their panties in a bunch I was a truckdriver so didn't mingle with people. The places I stopped all required masks which was silly because if masks worked why does someone care if I wear one or not if they have one on? If the shots worked why would they care if I had one?
I also unvaxed, caught covid on Sunday night, went to office monday am, took home test at office, tested positive, went home, did some yard work, ran a fever on monday of 99.0- 99.5, did some light yard work tuesday am, then ran fever for 4 hours at 100.5 on tuesday, back to office on wednesday.
Personal experience:
Every single one of the people I know who had the communist chinese virus had it AFTER they were vaccinated.
This.
I blame inflation.
Trump tariffs
More testing needed.
Smoot off.
Fuck off and die, Public Asshole, and take your fake watermelon website with you.
vvhy?
They approved this article? Of all the things to make fun of from the pandemic, you choose the people opposed to forced vaccinations?Oh no hyperbole! Better call them all out 4 years later. Fucking weird
Look, do you want content or not.
Not from Mr. Greenhut at least. All his other bios say he is an expert of state policy, specifically west coast states. Yet here on unreasonable "Reason" he is the science correspondent. What a joke
I mixed up authors from the last two articles I read through.
Meant to say Mr. Bailey. And we can ignore the state policy comment. Whoops
It's not like the psychos he's dunking on don't deserve mockery. But nothing he says is going to make anyone change their priors, and he's bringing very little to the conversation. Typical half-assed effort.
One a certain level I applaud the balls to post this article at Reason. I'd be amazed if he didn't expect to be destroyed in the comments.
1. COVID causes deaths - Clearly yes, mainly in infirm people.
2. Vaccines cause deaths - Clearly yes, mainly in healthy people.
3. COVID was developed and released from a lab - Clearly yes.
What does this support? Keep the fucking government small, out of media, and out of this.
This should be the message from libertarians. Reason is turning into another rag subsiding from division, not philosophy or fact.
You are turning into the swirly thing in:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_of_the_Dove
1 caused likely over 20 million deaths worldwide. 2 caused a handful of proven deaths, likely more, but not even close to 1. And 1 would have caused way more deaths if not for 2. Nate Silver has the receipts. https://www.natesilver.net/p/the-2-key-facts-about-us-covid-policy
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
LOL. I guess you missed it when countries all started rebuking their original covid death data and admitted they initially overstated the covid deaths by 60% and more?
The trials, undisclosed at first, for the mRNA Pfizer vaccine showed more negative reactions from the vaccine than were witnessed for the swine flu vaccine which was pulled from the market. So why was the covid vaccine not pulled? The UK vaccine was pulled due to causing blood clots. Many people including myself had autoimmune reactions, it nearly blinded me and had me ill for months.
No mention how some countries tried to use Covid for terrorism? Iran, China and others appeared to incubate the virus and then sent people out around the world to spread it.
There's no way it was only 60%. No possible way. Not when the literal WHO guidelines to all countries was, if a person dies, and they test positive for COVID, list it as a COVID death.
WHO Guidelines:
Killing people is good ass long ass anti-vaxxers have their way in promoting anti-vaxism ass THE most fashionable of ALL Marks of Tribal Virtue!!!
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status?country=~All+ages
Just LOOK at the interactive graph right at the top of this link!!!! COVID deaths among the unvaccinated VASTLY outnumbered, and still outnumber, the deaths among the vaccinated!!! WHY do You Perfectly Lust SOOOO Much for death and suffering, LYING servant and serpent of communicable diseases?!?!
PS, "food" is dangerous! People get sick and even die from food poisoning!!! Be SAFE!!! STOP eating!!!!
https://www.businessinsider.com/conservative-radio-hosts-anti-maskers-death-covid-19-2021-9
At least 7 conservative radio hosts and anti-mask advocates have died from COVID-19 after bashing the vaccines
Intergalactic or Cosmic-Karmic ironic coincidence, maybe? Or candidates for Darwin Awards?
BTW, I am STILL waiting for “the science” concerning sneeze guards at the salad bars, to be settled! Meanwhile, “R” party governors are getting ready for FORBIDDING sneeze guards at the salad bars!!!
Who volunteers to eat what MAY be infected mucus from strangers, on their salads, in double-blind, MASSIVELY statistically significant studies, to settle this, for once and for all? Because I just KNOW, oh so VERY well, that once the “science” is settled, there will be NO tribalistic ideologues who will dispute these findings! We are ALL data-driven now!
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/10/centner-academy-vaccine-rules-leila-centner-david-centner
“Florida School Run by Idiots Says Vaccinated Students Must Stay Home for 30 Days After Each Shot”
This is the same school where a teacher told students not to hug their vaccinated parents for more than five seconds.
(End subtitles and excerpts).
See? We are ALL data-driven by now! My data says the OTHER (evil) tribe believes in vaccines, so MY tribe must BAN and SHUN the BAD tribe (and their cooties) as much as possible!
The unvaccinated are now CLEAN and the vaccinated are UNCLEAN! Civic-minded BAD! Afraid of micro-chips in vaccines GOOD! Black is white, and good is evil!
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If you take a SSqrlsy post and overlay a Hank post so both can be seen, they adjust them just right you can see the picture of a schooner.
That guideline was ONLY done in the early stages of the disease. After it had obviously shown up in a community (someone dies with it) but before the disease spread is no longer controllable (locally epidemic).
The point from that public health perspective is - autopsies aren't very common and especially not in an epidemic. The point of attaching a COVID tag to a death involving COVID is to track and trace contacts. Course that's the part that the US didn't do. Rather one of many parts we didn't do which is why the US death rates were so high.
Once the disease has burned through, what gets tracked is excess mortality - statistical analysis - not specific causes of death which depend on autopsies.
Libertarians did an utterly crappy job of trying to propose an alternative way of dealing with disease. The need was there. The public health status quo was clearly incompetent. But libertarians chose to stick head up ass and deny disease itself.
If you are sick, stay at home.
If you are high risk for serious complications, it is your responsibility to make adjustments to minimize your chances of contracting it.
Face diapers are social messaging. If you want respiratory protection, you’ll need a professionally fitted properly selected PPE device. You would be free to wear a face diaper, but don’t force that garbage on others.
Don’t forcibly concentrate folks with a high risk to serious complications.
Don’t provide a blanket immunity to the vax manufacturers regarding their product safety.
Conduct a thorough investigation as to how it happened. If it was gain of function research by (some) US citizens, have a Nuremberg style trial to determine who knew and did what when. Punish any that violated laws and agreements to discourage a repeat event.
If you are sick, stay at home.
That is not what you people were saying and it's a platitude anyway. eg Measles can infect an entire school before symptoms appear in one kid. Smallpox was less contagious but still spread far before symptoms. Typhoid Mary infected 51-120 people while never having symptoms. TB or plague or ebola ensures that everyone in that home will become sick. 'Just the flu' is of course - not a fucking disease.
Are you advising to consult Dr Google (or Dr OpenEye) or should people go to the real doctor? What if they don't have a real doctor and it takes months to get an appointment? What if the doctor requires a face diaper in their office? When you clowns advise 'Just the Flu', then you are pretty much saying Don't need to stay at home if sick. Nothing will happen to you if you're young and libertarians are very well-known for ignoring all impact beyond self. People on the lower half of the ladder don't get paid staying at home. But hey - that's ok isn't it.
At least the pajama class remains ok - until their maid comes to clean (with sniffles or - shit - asymptomatic). Ooh - so fire the fucking maid even if you only THINK they might come to work sick. Do the same for every business where the pajama class might be mingling with gotta work even if sick class and hey presto - you people are the clowns who shut everything down compared to countries that understood the sick leave problem.
I was saying it. Other libertarians I know were. Who are these “you people” strawmen?
Now were are pivoting to measles? Monkeypox? HIV? TDS? Yeah, one could be asymptomatic and transmit it. That is why the second point was made.
Or go online and consimt with Dr Strawman! Maybe it would take twenty years for then to get an appointment so governments should have maintained and even strengthened the draconian measures! One’s personal health is their personal responsibility.
If a doctor advised me to wear a face diaper I’d fire that person for ignorance. Influenza is serious, kills thousands of Americans per year, and someone with it should stay home. Where are these phantom strawmen stating to ignore that? Libertarians aren’t getting sick, visiting your apartment, and coughing on you.
I think in some cases the progressive trust funders weren’t allowed to have the “help” visit though I do recall team D politicians ignoring their rules such as the DC mayor for some birthday party, the San Fran mayor too (?), Fauci at a baseball game, Pelosi at the hair salon, and of course the Summer of Love mostly peaceful riots.
I’m not responsible for you. If I’m sick, I stay at home. If you are sickly, you are responsible for managing that.
Maybe Reason commenters did, but there's not much overlap between those and libertarians.
Mike Laursen was pushing the vax. Demjeff made the analogy that not bending the knee to Saint Fauci was akin to driving around with a bear in the trunk. Recall others supporting the govt imposed restrictions (except for those participating in the Summer of Love mostly peaceful riots).
Tony supported the restrictions.
I don't remember that, because it didn't happen But anything to keep the lies alive.
That's because you're a lefty ignoramus.
Evidence: some chick on Facebook.
Or... reality.
From Kung Flu Shrike, or with Kung Flu Shirke?
20 million with the vast majority have 4 or more co morbidities. The actual number dying OF Covid will never be known as the numbers were so fudged as to be meaningless. This was partially due to hospitals receiving cash payments if someone died of Covid not with Covid.
As for people dying of the vaccine, again we don't know as the numbers were never reported with any accuracy. That being the case someone can not say with any certainty that the experimental gene therapy being forced on people caused more or less deaths than catching Covid which itself has no hard numbers.
Nate Silver is not a reliable source.
Fumanchu
There are numerous problems with nate silver's analysis
first point is that he grossly misstates and distorts the data with this statement :
"Until vaccines became available, there was little difference in COVID death rates between blue states and red states.
After vaccines became available, there were clear differences, with red states having higher death rates, almost certainly as a result of lower vaccine uptake among Republicans."
His statement significant key factors
A - His first statement is flat out false, Death rates in the NE US states was significantly higher and the rest of the country.
B - Its not age weighted - that is significant statistical error with death rates heavily skewed to the elderly
C - I repeat - failure to properly age weight the analysis is garbage statistics.
D - The red states at the top of the list post vax also had much lower rates pre vax
E - the NE states (NY, NJ, MA, etc) had high death rates early which means a high percent of the vulnerable were already killed off. Since a high percent of vulnerable had already been killed off, then there far fewer vulnerable left to die from covid.
bottom line, nate silver's analysis would be laughed at in any quality medical journal, if it wasnt for the political correctness.
Yet with E. Those states also had high vax rates- among a population where the vulnerable should have already died of COVID. So they should have died in large numbers during the first wave in 2020 because of COVID. And then in large numbers in 2021 because of the vac.
That's not what happened
The number of "healthy" people killed by vaccines was tiny. The lab leak theory is plausible but hardly proven.
Yep. These retards are gullible above all else. They believe a bunch of "influencers" and randos on Facebook spouting garbage.
Lol. Shrike still defending his being a retard.
Based on available information known at this time, the lab leak is the only credible theory and the only plausible theory.
I think the lab leak theory is quite credible.
I don't think 'start a land war in Asia' is the way to deal with 'biological warfare' that turns out to be 'Just the Wuflu'. Which is bluntly what I think many commenters really did believe.
The lab leak is the only credible theory and at this point I think it's beyond question that's where it came from.
Nothing is ever 'beyond question'. Then again, I guess suppressing dissent is always the preferred option/framing for everything. Which is why we really really like making decisions based on 'stupid'.
I would like to hear your theory of where Covid came from that is more credible than the lab leak which all signs point to. I'm convinced that is where it originated, either a leak or intentional release.
If any of this is true why don't they talk about excess deaths before and after the vaccine? Because that's the question they dodge. The vaccine deaths weren't "tiny". If they were then they wouldn't have shown up statistically and they did.
"The lab leak theory is plausible but hardly proven."
No the theory is pretty much proven at this point. The evidence that would appear if the alternative theory was true never appeared. Every single indication points to a lab leak and always did.
You make no sense. How can you talk about excess deaths from getting the Covid shot before someone actually got the shot? Excess from what?
Are you saying myocarditis in 18 year olds didn't spike with the introduction of the COVID "vaccine" that didn't really stop anything? Is before/after not a thing in your world?
Not at all if your comment is pointed at me. I'm saying the above comment seems directed towards excess mortality figures before and after a vaccination. There have been some preliminary work on the statistics but nothing definitive yet as the numbers are so hard to come by. Dying with Covid is not the same as dying of Covid. I know that down here in NC if someone had Covid then that was listed as cause of death because it was financially beneficial to the hospitals. One guy was listed as dying of Covid after he fell off a ladder. The explanation was that Covid must have made him dizzy and that caused him to fall. Pretty sketchy and there are multiple cases of this all over the country.
It is, literally, the most plausible explanation. The other one (it started from a wet market --- that was across the street from the lab) was asinine from the onset.
"...The lab leak theory is plausible but hardly proven..."
Got a live one here, folks. Break out the wooden nickels, you can move a lot to an imbecile of this magnitude.
Ronald Bailey is
scienceFauci correspondent at Reason.Strange to trot this out six years after COVID was released on the world, five years after the Fauci ouchies.
Next week you'll do one on all the lies about COVID, right? The social distancing, the hand sanitizer, masking, and oh yeah, the thousands of actual deaths from Governor Cuomo and others, not to forget the ruined economy, last schooling, and all those actual injuries, as opposed to all these imaginary deaths? You'll be covering that, right?
My personal favorite was telling people, during business, school, and church shutdowns, that it was ok to go to the Peaceful Protest™.
Completely killed all faith in "experts" beyond repair.
"Experts "
Best discussion I ever had was with an infectious disease expert who is at a major LA area research center/hospital during the summer of 2024.
His comment was that without the masking, social distancing, etc, that 2m americans would have died, including 500k children.
That was coming from an "expert" in 2024 - yet virtually everyone knows, by 2024, that children had virtually no risk from covid (except for children already suffering from life threating illnesses).
In 5 years will we see a mea culpa on tariffs??
No. Trump has never admitted a mistake or apologized for anything in his life.
Neither have Jesse or any of the other Trumpies.
Irony from sarc Jr being wrong on every prediction lol. God damn youre pathetic.
Waiting on those ripples still buddy.
Sorry youre a failure on any complex subjects.
Name a single prediction I have made.
You can't because I didn't.
Sorry not sorry you're a failure on plain definitions like tariffs and trade deficits. If you can't get even those definitions right, how can you have any hope of thinking at all, let alone on simple subjects.
I doubt it, you'll never admit Trump's an economic ignoramus, that tariffs are domestic taxes, and that trade deficits and foreign investment are the same thing.
It is amazing watching the guy who agrees with king retard sarc and has been wrong on every outcome continue to pretend he is educated on the subject he has been wrong on for 9 months. Ripples right? On the day yet more CPI numbers came out. Lol.
Go on. Cite those "outcomes" I've been wrong on. I've listed two of the most basic ones you are always wrong on, tariffs as taxes and trade deficits equaling foreign investment. All you can do is repeat your claims to have invisibly refuted me.
Yeah, CPI, funny how you grasp at straws. Job creation fell, you disparaged it for lying about Trump. BLS statistician got fired, you applauded. New figures came out even worse. Now you profess to believe more government statistics, even though Biden's last six months had lower inflation. Is that the best Trump can do?
Keep on crowing.
"...Name a single prediction I have made. You can't because I didn't...."
Followed by:
"...you'll never admit Trump's an economic ignoramus, that tariffs are domestic taxes, and that trade deficits and foreign investment are the same thing..."
You are one stupid fuck.
They've covered all those things more than once,but keep on lying.
It got a bunch of comments and clicks so mission accomplished. It has also shown in the comments that there are still quite a number of people that do not know all the research and evidence about where Covid came from and actual mortality rates from it or the experimental gene therapy forced on millions of Americans. This is by design as the progressives in government don't want to admit that this was in part, all a hyped event to get people used to being locked down and ram through unrestrained spending to fund every wet dream Democrats could come up with. We are seeing the fight over the temporary funding passed during Covid by the Dems which expires at the end of the year which they put in the bill right now with the shut down. An excuse to raise baseline spending with the idea it would never go back down
Ron,
At the 51 second mark is a reference to your article regarding the Noravax vax efficacy being 100%. You still stand by that?
https://www.bitchute.com/video/PCAdtwAn1PNc/
- Chumby the little L libertarian and unvaxxed two time (TWO TIME!) survivor of covid.
Even Wikipedia doesn't make that 100% claim. The latest studies estimate about a 90% efficacy rate in preventing severe Covid symptoms but does not claim people who got the vaccine would not catch Covid. Much like the flu shot, you will still catch Covid, the symptoms will probably be less severe. They also make no claim about passing the virus onto others after the vaccination. There are still side effects but at a lesser rate than those from the mRNA vaccines.
Disclosure: I have had nine mRNA COVID-19 shots so far
That’s all I needed to hear, “science correspondent”.
"The Science" correspondent.
I believe that is "science" correspondent.
That should have been in the lead paragraph to save everyone from reading this crank.
Vaccine Skeptics Said That COVID Shots Would Cause Mass Death. We're Still Here.
Not. Even. Retarded.
I know this has been asked in the forums before but the ability to mute Reason writers is still at the top of the feature request list, right?
Default setting of “mute.” Then I’d unmute Stoss, Lenore, and good Liz. And maybe Brian.
Then "mute" ALL of those whose facts Ye PervFectly disagree with, Oh Ye Pervfected One, and STOP bragging about Yer PervFected, Mind-Infected IGNORANCE!!! Please, for the sake of Government Almighty, and THE Dear Orange Leader, Bleeder of the Peons (one and the same, right now)!!!!
Queen Spermy Daniels may even THANK and SPANK Ye, in JUST the RIGHT way, if Ye PLEASE do this!!!!
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Robby is worth reading often enough. Still not great, but he isn't a lockstep partisan like most of his colleagues.
Or you could just, you know, not click the articles.
Or skip as soon as you see the byline. But some people just aren't happy unless they have something to bitch about.
Is this like us asking you to read a fuxking book to learn something dumdum?
I suggest Henry Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson, or even a dictionary, where you will find definitions of tariffs as domestic taxes, and trade deficit as being another name for foreign investments.
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"Vaccine Skeptics Said That COVID Shots Would Cause Mass Death. "
Guess Who were the people making that type statement in the summer and fall of 2020 when trump was president?
Bingo, progressives tricked RepooplicKKKunts into not getting a safe and effective vaccine!!! I love it!!!!!
"BOAF SIDEZ" said people were going to die but only one side was forcing people out of bars and churches and gyms and hospitals.
The same side that was proposing vaccine passports and calling for publicly-funded EMTs to refuse the barest of medical service to people.
The same side that has been **shown** to not just be lying about zoonotic origins, but fabricating and propagating it as disinformation to cover up the obvious and real explanation that they were critical in the creation and release of the virus.
The same side that insisted they were owed amnesty afterwards.
The same side that said "supply chains" for months and years after even relatively dim-witted economists pointed out that the global economy isn't like an electric car that you can just push the start button on.
The same side that is, right now, still, lying and obfuscating specifically with a lab coat on because they're either too stupid to realize that they're lying and hollowing out any shred of credibility "science" has... or they're not too stupid and are doing it on purpose.
It's straight up Bonhoeffer's Theory of Stupidity. It's easier for them to remain maliciously stupid and continue to drag others to their level to justify their position than it is for them to admit to themselves that they are the ones who effectively perpetrated, by many metrics, possibly the single-largest socio-ethnic cleansing in human history and, more critically, and would do it again.
They think they're celebrating a triumph of reason over superstition but it's straight up Cargo-Cult. It's been shown to them that their shots don't prevent infection any more than wearing coconuts on your ears helps you land planes, but they insist on saying "Vaccines eradicated polio!" like their lab coats mean that all the retarded deplorable chimps they're surrounded by should just believe them when they say the coconut headphones allow them to command God to rain down mana from the skies.
BTW, what’s our boy Bailey think about the FDA not releasing FOIA request info about the jabs for 55 years?
https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/wait-what-fda-wants-55-years-process-foia-request-over-vaccine-data-2021-11-18/
Maybe that’s the Libertarian angle that should be explored vs sneering at the anti-vaxxers, elitist fuck.
Infectious disease clinician Neil Stone has helpfully (and amusingly) compiled a number of such dire predictions.
Why does this feel so familiar? Ah, right:
“Karen” reporter Matt Yglesias runs around reporting cars with expired tags to authorities, gets obliterated online…
Is he doing to deny amnesty to everyone who said the vaccines would kill people but didn't stop anyone from getting one? You dumb asshat.
What a douchebag. As bad as NDGT or Bill Nye. At least "Dino Mommy" and similarly retarded thots have nice racks.
Reality: "The Science" has a credibility problem.
Neil Stone: I know! I'll wave my degree around like it means something, misinterpret internet memes and political commentary, and obliquely indicate that people making their own health decisions for themselves are stupid. That'll fix it!
They were not "vaccine skeptics", they were (and still are) dumb shits who were in a death cult.
A failed death cult.
At the time, PhDs were the largest group reluctant to get the vax when broken apart by level of education. The smart shits wanted to avoid the death cult.
Older wealthy Republicans got vaccinated…lower educated Trump voters passed on the vaccine…and then died at a high rate! Thanks for your skepticism! Lol
Your delusional posts automatically oppose reality to near perfection which proves you're purposely lying.
Does it give you a thrill up your leg knowing you're a lying sack of shit?
Please provide everyone with some insight to why you continue these lame and debunked charades you seem to love so much?
Or...did the 20 million new Democrat/Biden voters that showed up for the 2020 election die from the vax before Kamala could get them?
You're not exactly one to talk about anyone being a "dumb shit", Dr. Retard.
Kill yourself.
Cuntsorevaturds making friends, gathering votes, and influencing people by... PEDDLING KOOL-AID AND SUICIDE!!! How's it workin' for ya, servant, serpent, and slurp-pants (pants-slurper) of the Evil One?
EvilBahnFuhrer, drinking EvilBahnFuhrer Kool-Aid in a spiraling vortex of darkness, cannot or will not see the Light… It’s a VERY sad song! Kinda like this…
He’s a real Kool-Aid Man,
Sitting in his Kool-Aid Land,
Playing with his Kool-Aid Gland,
His Hero is Jimmy Jones,
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jim-Jones
Loves death and the dying moans,
Then he likes to munch their bones!
He’s truly, completely a necrophiliac,
His brain, squirming toad-like, is REALY, really whack!
Has no thoughts that help the people,
He wants to turn them all to sheeple!
On the sheeple, his Master would feast,
Master? A disaster! Just the nastiest Beast!
Kool-Aid man, please listen,
You don’t know, what you’re missin’,
Kool-Aid man, better thoughts are at hand,
The Beast, to LEAVE, you must COMMAND!
A helpful book is to be found here: M. Scott Peck, Glimpses of the Devil
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1439167265/reasonmagazinea-20/
Hey EvilBahnFuhrer …
If EVERYONE who makes you look bad, by being smarter and better-looking than you, killed themselves, per your wishes, then there would be NO ONE left!
Who would feed you? Whose tits would you suck at, to make a living? WHO would change your perpetually-smelly DIAPERS?!!?
You’d better come up with a better plan, Stan!
Signed, Yours Truly, Heaven-on-Earth-Based Skeptic of Servants, Serpents, and Slurp-Pants of the Evil One
"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have." - Thomas Jefferson (not a doctor)
Funny how when conspiracies and predictions don't pan out, they go down the memory hole. Not only are they forgotten, but the people who promoted them deny that it ever happened.
This is a great example of that.
Yes, you'd like it if all those Fauci Birk Watson conspiracies had been forgotten.
You what hurts?
Your liver, Sarc.
Cmon buddy. Hes the one you've been wrong with the entire economic discussion. Hmm.. wait.
That's the best rebuttal you have, to compare two people who scare you? That's supposed to be impressive or enlightening?
Vioxx didn't kill everyone who took it and it was withdrawn.
I have yet to see any compelling evidence that the COVID vaccines saved a single life.
Killing people is good ass long ass anti-vaxxers have their way in promoting anti-vaxism ass THE most fashionable of ALL Marks of Tribal Virtue!!!
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status?country=~All+ages
Just LOOK at the interactive graph right at the top of this link!!!! COVID deaths among the unvaccinated VASTLY outnumbered, and still outnumber, the deaths among the vaccinated!!! WHY do You Perfectly Lust SOOOO Much for death and suffering, LYING servant and serpent of communicable diseases?!?!
PS, "food" is dangerous! People get sick and even die from food poisoning!!! Be SAFE!!! STOP eating!!!!
Our world in low rent garbage data.
Twat, ye do SNIT-snot bleeve that innocent people DIE from FOOD POISONING!??!?!
STOP EATING RIGHT NOW to be SAFE, I BEG of Ye!!!
This is a strawman. Humankind has not needed vaccines to survive from its first days through to the present day.
Food is an essential need for humans providing nutrients, minerals, and calories (aka nourishment). If you believe otherwise, please demonstrate by eschewing food for the next fourteen months.
"This is a strawman. Humankind has not needed vaccines to survive from its first days through to the present day."
Nor have they needed TV, radio, modern sanitary sewers, food irradiation, medicines, internal combustion engines, wheels, the internet, paved roads, houses, central AC and heating, or Scumby the Chimp-Chump! Shall we give ALL of that up, and go and sleep in our back yards, IGNORE our climate-cuntrolled houses, and let the bugs and worms bite our butts, ass we sleep out there in the mud and grass?
YOU FIRST, Scumby the Chimp-Chump, and PLEASE report back to us, about how swell it went!!!
You were asked first - defend your hypothesis.
And I have - I didn’t get vaxxed. But I still eat food.
You did SNOT get the vax, 'cause shit ain't PERVFECTED like Scumby the Chimp-Chump is! And FOOD ain't Pervfected either! So to REALLY be a PervFected Scumby the Chimp-Chump, YOU should SNOT be eating food, either! Udderly DENSE twit-twat, who swillfully does SNOT actually CUNT to udderstand!!! Duh and double and even triple-duh!!! Swillyfully BLINDED ideological IDIOT!!!
Whoa, you ARE actually smart enough to know that we HAVE to eat food to live for the long term? Wow, a Fart Smeller, we have, here!!!
Twat about "The enema of the good, is the PervFected"? Did ya ever hear THAT?!?! So WHY are Ye SNOT giving up on TV, radio, modern sanitary sewers, food irradiation, medicines, internal combustion engines, wheels, the internet, paved roads, houses, central AC and heating, and being Scumby the Scummy Chimp-Chump? NONE of these are vitally essential, like "food" is, and NONE of them are PervFected, either, DESPITE Your Towering Ego!
I look forward to Your PervFected Report, after You PervFectly give ALL of that up, and go and sleep in your back yard, IGNORE your climate-cuntrolled house, and let the bugs and worms bite Your PervFected, Mind-Infected Butt, ass You Pervfectly sleep out there in the mud and grass!!! PLEASE report back to us all soon!!!
I do SNOT debate YOUR PervFected rights to sleep in the mud and the grass, and let the bugs and worms bite Your Pervfectly Ugly Butt!!! Just PLEASE do SNOT go and BRAG about Your PervFectly STUPID AND HARMFUL ideas, and try to spread them around!!! People who are actually SMARTER than YOU will speak up, and let other smart people see that Ye ARE PervFectly FULL OF SHIT!!!
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PERVFECTED (and Mind-Infected Ideological Idiot) Scumby the Scummy Chimp-Chump can SNOT refute what I say, so shit just gives UP, and offers up the PATHETIC excuse that shit is TOO LONG for shit's poor little overworked and stunted brain to read!
PS, strictly speaking and technically, one does SNOT even need to EAT!!! If'n Ye are a PervFected BLEEVER like Breatharians, and have enough Firm FAITH, then "food" is superfluous! See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inedia ... All Ye PervFectly NEED, is air, sunshine, and water!
FACTS don't actually matter to True BLEEVERS like Breatharians and Scumby the Scummy Chimp-Chump! Shit all depends on twat Ye PervFectly BLEEVE!!! (About food being silly, or alien micro-chips in the VAX, or twatever!)
More retarded strawmen by the schizophrenic team D shill. Support that narrative.
A human needs food to survive. The vax? No.
Scumby the Scummy Chimp-Chump is PROUD to be a disease-suffering-and-death-spreading ideologically blinded FIEND of cummunicable diseases, 'cause that shit's IN with the IN crowd!!! And... OMG now, PREPARE yourselves... VAXes are SNOT PervFected in ALL ways!!!
This is SNOT a strawman!!! This IS twat Scumby the Scummy Chimp-Chump thinks and stinks, despite ALL of the evidence!
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status?country=~All+ages
Hard to see anything with your eyes closed. People who got the vaccine were less likely to catch the virus, and less likely to die or suffer the most severe symptoms if they did. This is documented fact.
"Fact" - a frequently repeated fantasy shared by a group of delusional people who belong to the same cult.
Do you have any actual information to back up that claim.
They had to redefine the word "vaccine" to have this qualify.
Killing people is good ass long ass anti-vaxxers have their way in promoting anti-vaxism ass THE most fashionable of ALL Marks of Tribal Virtue!!!
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status?country=~All+ages
Just LOOK at the interactive graph right at the top of this link!!!! COVID deaths among the unvaccinated VASTLY outnumbered, and still outnumber, the deaths among the vaccinated!!! WHY do You Perfectly Lust SOOOO Much for death and suffering, LYING servant and serpent of communicable diseases?!?!
PS, "food" is dangerous! People get sick and even die from food poisoning!!! Be SAFE!!! STOP eating!!!!
The religion of "The Science" and its most sacred sacrament.
True believers should get all the shots at the same time. COVID, flu, rsv, shingles, pneumonia, pertussis, monkey pox, and more. If you aren't getting them all you are a denier and not a true believer and should be burned at the stake.
Excellent article. Now apply that sceptical logic to the failed climate change predictions, many of which were even more egregiously wrong.
Either a) the scaremongers are wrong as evidenced by their failed predictions or b) you can't discredit the entire theory because of a few outlier predictions. Which is it, Mr Bailey? Are you cherry-picking the very worst mRNA predictions and using them to discredit all sceptics? Or are climate sceptics as justified as you are here in calling out the failed predictions in that field, too?
This is one of the worst Bailey articles I can remember. Makes me wonder if he just realized he'd forgotten a deadline and threw this together in the middle of the night.
Still better than most of your economic posts. Same with boehm. But those are the same things. You have the same opinion as an ignorant comms major lol.
Like tariffs and trade deficits and foreign investments?
Here's a prediction: you will never admit Trump is an economic ignoramus. Better bookmark it.
Already have, asswipe. See above where you claim to NEVER make predictions.
'Disclosure: I have had nine mRNA COVID-19 shots so far.'
Holy fuck!
Were you this mentally deranged before the pandemic, or did the official government panic propaganda push you over the edge? And are you still driving by yourself with a face mask on?
9 shots? I can see taking the initial round of shots when the Govt/media were saying it would stop you from getting COVID, but to take 9 shots after it was clear that the shot didn't stop you from getting COVID takes a special kind of stupid.
Think about this. If you got the polio vaccine 9 times and still got polio, would you at least take 1 second to question the efficacy of it?
The vaccine mitigated severity. You do realize Covid is a bioweapon developed in a Chinese lab?? The vaccine was like a gas mask.
A gas mask actually prevents you from getting gassed. Coof shots didn't prevent people from getting COVID.
Correct, the vaccines mitigated severity and prevented hospitalization.
No, people who took the coof shot were still hospitalized. Just like the people who took the coof shot still got COVID.
Nope. Go vote for DeSantis, loser.
Yep. Cope, seethe, and dilate, shitlib.
Fuck you. You were wrong about everything and your takeaway is that billions didn't die from the fake vax?
Some people said the covid shot had nanobots in it! What do you have to say now?
The shot turned me into a flamer…now all I want to do is listen to the Queen of Disco Donna Summer! It’s actually not that bad. 😉
hahahahahahaha. No ABBA? I would have thought endless repetitions of Dancing Queen was on the list.
Ron, you are clearly an evil retarded cancer.
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The 'rona made everyone crazy. Some never recovered.
It also made data and data analysis suspect as so many experts tanked their own credibility. Public health will never recover.
Perfect summation. Everyone you see still wearing a cloth mask to Whole Foods and posting Instapics of their kid's latest COVID jab is irreparably broken. As is everyone refusing to give their kid a polio jab or those who get their medical advice from podcast guests.
Fauci and all his compatriots should be (in order of preference) hung in the public square, jailed for life, or at a minimum stripped of all licenses and sued to oblivion so they die penniless and miserable. The lack of any consequences is one of the main reasons nobody believes in experts anymore. If there's no punishment for fraud or incompetence, why would they ever change?
Fauci and all his compatriots should be (in order of preference) hung in the public square, jailed for life, or at a minimum stripped of all licenses and sued to oblivion so they die penniless and miserable.
Stone could use a good swift kick in the nuts, or several hundred, for the "polio and the polio vaccine are like COVID and the COVID vaccine, I'm an INFEKSHUS DISEEZ DAWKTUR!" dishonesty, like there aren't millions, if not billions, of people out there who got 1-2 vaccines in and realized that the whole thing was dishonest horseshit.
Guy seems about as intelligent and honest as Dr. Oz.
I'm still seeing people driving by themselves wearing a mask. Covid broke people and a large number of them just don't like to admit they got had. It was a giant virtue signaling event to prove you were a good person.
This deranged ahole writing the article has had 9 fucking shots? Forgive me for not believing anything out of this jackass. There is emerging evidence that getting multiple Covid shots may make you more likely to contract it although if a person is more at risk then hasn't been studied to the point of issuing a peer reviewed paper.
We are not going to die tomorrow from the shots. The problem is that they were not put through normal trials so the long term effects are unknown. The long term effects are not being studied, immediately injuries weren't studied either, because the drug companies and the bought and paid for health departments wouldn't look at it. No healthy person in their right minds would take an experimental gene therapy just to see what happens.
Putting aside nonsense put out by a bunch of attention seekers, it is simply impossible to know the effects, at this point - less than 5 years after the shots being made generally available - what long-term consequences will be. We. Have. No. Idea. There could be almost nothing, there could be catastrophe. You are, Mr. Bailey, theorizing ahead of your data, as Sherlock Holmes would put it. Very unscientific.
Disclosure: I have had nine mRNA COVID-19 shots so far.
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Disclosure: I have had nine mRNA COVID-19 shots so far.
And I'll bet - seriously 10:1 odds - that every time you do, you walk out of that clinic or pharmacy, put your hands on your hips, puff out your chest, lift your chin, and feel like you're the most righteous man on earth.
Because it's not about medicine for you, is it Ron. It's about status symbols and virtue signaling. You clown.
Do you show people the bandaids? I'll bet you show people the bandaids.
Project much?? I heard Dan Bongiono literally crying on his radio show saying he was tricked into getting vaccinated. A grown man cried on his own radio show!!!
I'll take your word for it. But your point is really neither here nor there.
If you're a vax clown bragging about all your boosters, then just put on the nose. Stop pretending you're a serious person doing serious things for serious reasons.
Because you are absolutely not that.
Trump was president when we shut down…and Trump was promoting the booster at his rally to boos. That’s why you wanted DeSantis to beat Trump!! lol.
Did you ever thank him? You love those boosters so much, did you ever thank him for the vaccine? He basically saved the world, the way you guys tell the story. And yet, you've nothing but contempt for him.
Contempt, and a weird display of revisionist history.
Trump’s two biggest achievements were surrendering to the Taliban and developing the vaccines. But in both instances he mismanaged the period before he made the correct decision. I’m a Trump Republican but the reality is Biden did a better job implementing the America First agenda than Trump did.
You didn't answer the question.
I didn't hear him cry. I did hear him tell his audience that he was scared because he had just been diagnosed with cancer so took the shot on advice from his doctor and regrets doing it.
Not this skeptic. Just didn't think after having covid, I needed the jab and I hated the authorian nature from vaccine passports to OSHA mandates from on high.
The mandates were the most infuriating part. When I think about it I am still mad.
Agreed. It's particularly infuriating given that the mandates came from the "my body, my choice" crowd.
You do realize Covid is a lab created bioweapon that was 100% going to enter your body?? So one could either raw dog Covid or use protection…but you were getting assraped by Covid!
Disclosure: I have had nine mRNA COVID-19 shots so far.
No you didn't. If you can't prove it, it didn't happen and no one should believe a word of anything you or Stone say. People should insist on more objective testing, right Ron? Go ahead, tell me I'm being unfair and/or disingenuous.
You dumb fuck.
9? Ron must be an anti-vaxxer. By CDC guidelines he should have had at least 10 by now.
Seems like his IQ is steadily decreasing. For all of his MOAR TESTING REKWIRED, he seems obviously, religiously, dishonestly sure of a vaccine that didn't exist 9 boosters ago.
And the crazies on the government's side said we'd all be dead if everyone didn't get the shot - and they're still here, wearing masks and crying about the rest of us not doing so while the antivaxxers have wandered off back to work.
A perfectly healthy 40 year old Republican congressman died from Covid in Louisiana and also in Louisiana one of the first hospitalized was a perfectly healthy 45 year old partner at a law firm. The age at which one is safe from Covid was impossible to pinpoint with 22 being most likely safe…but 40 year old males definitely died from Covid. The congressman’s wife is now in Congress and she pisses all over her husband’s grave pretty much every day because she is so overcome with ambition and pursuit of power.
A perfectly vaxxed 49-year-old author died from COVID in New York after getting the coof shot, and the boy in Israel who was used for the vaccine ads in Israel died at the age of 8 in his bathtub from COVID.
The congressman’s wife is now in Congress and she pisses all over her husband’s grave pretty much every day because she is so overcome with ambition and pursuit of power.
You mean your fellow lefty Debbie Dingell?
The Republican congressman that died from Covid actually happened. I guess on Fox News his wife just magically became a congressperson??
The shitlib author and the 8-year-old Israeli kid who died from COVID also actually happened. I guess you don't like your fallacy of the lonely fact getting thrown back in your face?
>Disclosure: I have had nine mRNA COVID-19 shots so far.
The fuck *for* Bailey. It's over. COvid is done. You're one of the crazies on the other side of the vax aisle.
I have had 12 doses of COVID vaccine. 10 Moderna, 2 Pfizer. Still here. Never any side effect worse than minor arm soreness. Still have not gotten COVID.
The "vaccine skeptics" want mass death. COVID isn't over. Neither are measles or polio.
Don't forget your five masks, Chuckles. Say hi to Howard Stern for us.
Yeah could pretty much predict the comments from the headline. Are the commenters here bots or just conspiracy loons?
The mandates are something else entirely but the science is overwhelmingly that the covid vaccine was safe.
Oh also it wasn’t created in a lab. Here are several hours of academic debate on the topic I know you’ll all just disregard as propaganda because you don’t have the critical reasoning to understand it https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-TmEJPdEZgboGGY80VhMhprXUw-JhMGu
Yeah could pretty much predict the comments from the headline. Are the commenters here bots or just conspiracy loons?
Yes, we realize that anyone questioning The Science is a "conspiracy theorist."
The mandates are something else entirely but the science is overwhelmingly that the covid vaccine was safe
Leaving aside all the examples of vaccine injury that came about after it was made available, of course.
Oh also it wasn’t created in a lab.
Yes, we know you shitheads think it came from pangolin meat instead of the lab that just happened to specialized in the very thing that got released.
I came here expecting some evidence. Some graphs. Something to show that the concerns were evaluated.
This is not a rebuttal. This is a strawman. After all, anyone sane knew it wasn't pure poison. But concerns were about aftereffects.
And then there are the clear and present direct effects. I've had the injection twice and been sick with COVID thrice. Both injections had worse effects on my than the infections. Given that it gives very low persistence protection and no demonstratable effect on transmissibility, it's terribly ineffective.
Finally, there were more concerns about the overriding of medical autonomy and consent. Even if the rule was overturned before it came into effect, millions of people were effectively forced to get an experimental procedure on pain of job loss, and the ineffectiveness made this more painful, as we had our rights stripped away not to help the country, but for "our own good".
But let's ignore all that and mock the most extreme people, why don't we?
“But let's ignore all that and mock the most extreme people, why don't we?”
It’s what scientism demands.
Well said.
"But let's ignore all that and mock the most extreme people, why don't we?"
Like, let's ignore all of the FACTS, and adore and worshit the Moist Fashionable Sickness-and-Death-Worshitting Fools?
Killing people is good ass long ass anti-vaxxers have their way in promoting anti-vaxism ass THE most fashionable of ALL Marks of Tribal Virtue!!!
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status?country=~All+ages
Just LOOK at the interactive graph right at the top of this link!!!! COVID deaths among the unvaccinated VASTLY outnumbered, and still outnumber, the deaths among the vaccinated!!! WHY do You Perfectly Lust SOOOO Much for death and suffering, LYING servant and serpent of communicable diseases?!?!
PS, "food" is dangerous! People get sick and even die from food poisoning!!! Be SAFE!!! STOP eating!!!!
Oh, butt THIS data does SNOT cum from My Team, so shit SWILL be ignored by Fashionable Ideologically Brainwashed BLEEVERS!!!!
Gee, I wonder how many of these deaths were caused by the flu, influenza, etc. instead of COVID?
Funny how few deaths of the flu, influenza, etc. occurred when the COVID "crisis" resulted.
Funny how You PervFectly do SNOT have ANY link(s) to show to the readers!
Here's links for You:
https://www.businessinsider.com/conservative-radio-hosts-anti-maskers-death-covid-19-2021-9
At least 7 conservative radio hosts and anti-mask advocates have died from COVID-19 after bashing the vaccines
Intergalactic or Cosmic-Karmic ironic coincidence, maybe? Or candidates for Darwin Awards?
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/10/centner-academy-vaccine-rules-leila-centner-david-centner
“Florida School Run by Idiots Says Vaccinated Students Must Stay Home for 30 Days After Each Shot”
This is the same school where a teacher told students not to hug their vaccinated parents for more than five seconds.
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See? We are ALL data-driven by now! My data says the OTHER (evil) tribe believes in vaccines, so MY tribe must BAN and SHUN the BAD tribe (and their cooties) ass much ass possible!
The unvaccinated are now CLEAN and the vaccinated are UNCLEAN! Civic-minded BAD! Afraid of micro-chips in vaccines GOOD! Black is white, and good is evil!
And Squirrel, if you or the original poster had come with a few graphs or statistics showing that there was no change or determined correlation, concluding that the fears were thankfully unfounded, I would not have an objection. The problem with strawmen is that they are unconvincing to anyone who looks at it with a critical eye. Because the straw is always very obvious.
Because let's be honest, most of the fears were overblown. I'm not debating that fact. However, the benefits were also outright fabricated, and the loss of liberty and bodily autonomy for what was at best a thin veneer of protection is quite reasonable to object to.
Well, it is good to see that you're not as unreasonable as most of the VAX-haters around here...
Did the cost/benefit of the Covid vaccines justify the attempts to mandate them in order make a living or to tavel? From what we know now, no.
Was it worth the government buying mass quantities to distribute without direct cost to members of the public with minimal guidance on whether it was appropriate for the person's age or overall health?
Framing these questions as irrelevant because most of us are still here is childishly dismissive of some important policy criticism.
Whole lot of Sciencing going on in the comments. If you were a healthy adult or a child under 18 your chances of contracting severe Covid or dying of it were far below 1%. If you were elderly, in a nursing home or hospital or had other co morbidities it might have made sense to take the shot as a precaution and that is the way it should have been handled. If your sick or old take the shot on advice from your doctor and leave the rest of us the fuck alone.
The damage done by what can only be described as a kill shot has been enormous. From turbo cancers, to miscarriages, attacks on immune systems, childhood cancers and other debilitating diseases and premature deaths. Still- borns, every sort of horrible reaction to that horrible so called vaccine is going to be felt for decades to come.
Japan has been recording massive deaths from the shot.
Big Pharma is guilty of mass murder. The Branch Covidians are just as complicit.
I did not take that deadly vaxx but my brother has including two boosters. He now has to take 8-9 different meds to stay alive.
To all those who believe the lies, deceits and false promises, you only have yourself to blame for what happened.
To all of you who helped spread the big lie about the vaxx that created so much misery and death...you can all go to hell.
never, ever believe anything the government says and never believe anything the MSM tells you.
Pfizer and Merk need to be charged with mass murder.
"Pfizer and Merk need to be charged with mass murder."
...as well as crimes against humanity, and the first person who should be charge would be the quack, Fauci.
https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/japanese-study-does-not-report-explosion-deaths-among-covid-vaccinated-2025-04-24/
Fact Check: Japanese study does not report explosion in deaths among COVID-vaccinated
Quite a few athletes who dropped dead after taking the COVID vaccine would disagree how safe and effective the shot is.
We now know the shot disrupts the mRna which controls the heart's rhythm.
Funny how such wonderful government agencies like the FDA, the CDC, the NIH and the WHO adamantly professed otherwise during the outbreak of the fake COVID "crisis."
"Quite a few athletes who dropped dead after taking the COVID vaccine..."
Citations? Examples? Athletes such as the Beaster Bunny and Satan Claus? Or unicorns, harpies, and centaurs?
PS... I have ALSO heard of cases where people dropped dead after eating FOOD!!! (Accidental food poisoning, look shit up.)
STOP EATING, PLEASE, FOR YOUR OWN GOOD!
I can't speak for others. My objections at the time were not that we would all definitely die. It was that if we keep mandating 100% of the population inject something that doesn't have long term studies because it hasn't existed in the long term, eventually we will make a mistake, and a mistake at that scale is potentially humanity-ending. Yeah, we're obviously still here, but if we weren't, nobody would be around to write articles about it.
Everybody quoted as saying people would die said it on Twitter, many of them pundits, many of them sarcastically or reproachfully, few of them saying *everyone* would die.
Bailey isn't defending science here. He's advocating for fucking loving science like a low-brow teenager who's sure that because he and all his friends didn't jump off a bridge, or get hurt when they did, his mom's point about doing stupid things simply because everyone else is doing something stupid doesn't have any merit.
It's not good science. It's not good journalism. It's not good or intelligent policy. At best it's shallow jealousy if not deep seated envy.
I read there are 11 bio labs in the country that specialize in creating ever deadlier strains of illnesses.
Why would they do that?
Indeed, Fauci is a quack. A fraud and a grifter. He is also guilty of mass murder.
He belongs in prison.
"Disclosure: I have had nine mRNA COVID-19 shots so far. "
Dude, get a grip. Have you thought about attending an AA type meeting?
The fact than many people didn't die is NOT a good reason to use Government force to mandate a thing. Some young healthy people absolutely did die. If you had nine shots, you are a buffoon, not a health advocate.
This would be a great article for Totalitarian and Communism Monthly. Why don't you publish it there, Ronaldo, you totalitarian dork!
Disclosure: I have had nine mRNA COVID-19 shots so far.
And like 60-some polio shots because that's how much you just fucking love science, right?
Just because "everyone" who got the jab didn't die, doesn't mean that it didn't cause "mass deaths." It also doesn't mean that it isn't the "deadliest vaccine ever made."
You're obviously a fool and I'm surprised that REASON would publish this drivel.
HERE are your "mass deaths", lies-lover!
Killing people is good ass long ass anti-vaxxers have their way in promoting anti-vaxism ass THE most fashionable of ALL Marks of Tribal Virtue!!!
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status?country=~All+ages
Just LOOK at the interactive graph right at the top of this link!!!! COVID deaths among the unvaccinated VASTLY outnumbered, and still outnumber, the deaths among the vaccinated!!! WHY do You Perfectly Lust SOOOO Much for death and suffering, LYING servant and serpent of communicable diseases?!?!
PS, "food" is dangerous! People get sick and even die from food poisoning!!! Be SAFE!!! STOP eating!!!!
Are you kidding me? People who tested positive for COVID, using an unreliable PCR tests that were never intended to be used to diagnose COVID in the first place, were recorded as "COVID deaths" regardless of how they actually died. Also, people who DID get the jab, but hadn't completed the full series of shots, or it hadn't been at least two weeks since they finished the series were also considered "unvaccinated".
You're right about there being a lot of lying going on. However, it was the gov't, the "experts", the media, and big pharma that were lying.
Why'd you change the graphic?