G.M. Takes $1.6 Billion Loss After Electric Vehicle Subsidy Goes Away
It seems like the current market for electric vehicles is entirely the creation of government policy.
Sales of electric vehicles (E.V.s) surged in August and September as buyers took advantage of a federal tax credit before it expired. Now, automakers expect to sell fewer E.V.s—and lose money on them—for the rest of the year.
It raises the question, Is the American E.V. market just a creation of government policy?
"General Motors said it is reducing its electric-vehicle manufacturing capacity and booking a $1.6 billion charge on its EV business as demand sinks," reports The Wall Street Journal's Sharon Terlep. "In a regulatory filing, the company said that EV sales are expected to fall with the end of government-funded subsidies and regulatory mandates that fueled EV growth."
This was a monumental shift within just a few years: In 2021, General Motors CEO Mary Barra announced the auto giant would phase out all gas-burning vehicles by 2035.
Under the Biden administration, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) adopted emissions rules that would effectively require more than half of all new vehicles produced by 2032 to be electric. The agency rescinded those rules in March, after President Donald Trump reentered office.
In September, Congress ended a Biden-era program providing a $7,500 tax credit for purchasing an electric vehicle. Motorists apparently flocked to dealerships ahead of the program's sunset date, but analysts expected demand to plummet once the credit went away. "The demise of the tax credit will probably bring the party to an end," Neal E. Boudette wrote last month in The New York Times. "Sales of electric models are expected to plummet in the last three months of the year and then remain sluggish for some time."
To be clear, slow electric vehicle sales are not General Motors' only problem, or even the biggest drag on its profits: The tariffs Trump has imposed by fiat are hurting the automaker's bottom line, as well. As Terlep noted, the $1.6 billion E.V. charge "comes on top of an estimated $4 billion to $5 billion that GM projects it will pay in tariff-related costs this year." Just in the second quarter of this year, Ford Motor Co. paid $800 million in tariffs and posted its first quarterly financial loss since 2023.
Still, General Motors' announcement supports the concern that without infusions of taxpayer money, E.V.s are not entirely viable on their own. It's no wonder, since they have not been driven by consumer preference.
From the start, the Biden-era rules prioritized all-electric vehicles over hybrids, which the EPA estimated would account for only 16 percent of all new vehicles sold by 2032. (For comparison, it estimated there would still be nearly twice that many cars with internal combustion engines.) But consumers have made it clear that if they get rid of their gas-burning cars, they're more comfortable with a hybrid than an electric.
"While EV sales are growing, their pace is falling well short of the industry's ambitious timetable for transitioning away from combustion engines," Tom Krisher of the Associated Press reported in 2023. "Instead, buyers are increasingly embracing a quarter-century-old technology whose popularity has been surging: The gas-electric hybrid, which alternates from gas to battery power to maximize efficiency."
In its 2024 annual consumer survey, the American Automobile Association (AAA) found similar results: While only 18 percent of respondents said they were likely to buy an electric, 31 percent were open to a hybrid.
"Access to a hybrid vehicle lessens the anxiety for consumers because it allows people to enjoy the benefits of electrification without feeling like they are disrupting their current lifestyle or travel plans (longer distance driving, less charging options, etc.)," AAA noted of its findings.
Even though federal incentives have nudged them in other directions, automakers have tried to follow consumer sentiment. In August 2024, Ford announced it was shifting focus from electrics to hybrids. The automaker had separated its production lines into traditional and electric divisions just two years earlier, and since then, "Ford's electric vehicle division has lost $12 billion, including $2.2 billion in the first half of this year," the Times reported in August.
In January 2024, Toyota chairman Akio Toyoda predicted all-electric vehicles would only ever make up about 30 percent of the total automotive market. Instead, Toyoda advocated a "multi-pathway approach" to cutting carbon emissions on the road, and said "customers, not regulations or politics," should drive innovation.
Toyoda is right. General Motors followed the trend of government rather than consumer sentiment, and now it's scrambling to adapt when the government changes hands.
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It seems like the current market for electric vehicles is entirely the creation of government policy.
Nuh uh. Just. Really. Popular.
Totally not market distortion by governments and regulatory bodies at home and around the globe far, far beyond any single subsidy.
Of course it is distortion but the government distortion that kills EV's in the US is not mentioned at all (and completely unsurprisingly) by Reason.
There is a 100% tariff on EV's here in the US. That eliminates all imports - and protects domestic producers. Not just Tesla - but also the big monster trucks that Americans buy - and that punish all domestic cars (which aren't made in the US anymore).
Eliminate those tariffs - and there would be dozens of Chinese brand EV's to tilt the market for ALL vehicles. The average new vehicle in the US is around $50,000. The average price for a Chinese EV exported to Europe (likewise a rich market) is $30,000. China doesn't export gas vehicles and they are a declining part of the Chinese market as well (less than 40% now).
Granted China doesn't make big SUV's - but the only way you could find out whether American consumers want to pay less than half of what they currently do (including fuel efficiency) for transportation is to allow those vehicles to be sold.
But hey let's pretend that a totally corrupt tax credit is the issue - rather than an even more corrupt protectionist tariff that raises no revenue because it is intended to (and does) eliminate imports entirely.
What is not a surprise is that the former distortion supports our constipation about energy, fossil fuels, climate change, and American technological superiority re cars. All part of supporting the donor class. Eliminating the latter would be a Sputnik moment.
Electrons matter…and so do subsidies.
Of course it's a creation of government, how many people want a more expensive vehicle with shorter range and less options to 'fill up' while travelling enough to demand it from the market.
There are some exceptions to that, namely high performance Tesla toys for people with several other vehicles. I don't think many people are buying electric primary vehicles for reasons other than the subsidy though. They might rationalize it for a variety of reasons, but they would not have bought them without the subsidy in place.
They seem to work OK for commuter cars at this point. I know plenty of people who almost always drive their EVs. But you still need an ICE for long trips if you don't want to spend enormous amounts of time charging. Without the subsidies it just doesn't work except as toys for well off people. And I can't imagine there being a really robust used market for EVs. Who wants to buy one with a clapped out battery? It's a luxury and will be until there is a better (and safer) energy storage method.
There are segments of the population for whom it really works well. My sister lives in the LA area, and both her and her husband's vehicles are Teslas. They never drive anywhere where managing their charge is an issue. She has few reasons to travel out of state other than vacations so she just books flights.
Me, however, I often drive across multiple states. My vehicles sometimes park outside in below-freezing weather, which would be bad for the E.V. battery. I never have considered purchasing anything electric. The majority of drivers in the US don't live in the perpetually climate-mild zones while driving exclusively in dense population areas where there are plenty of charging stations.
I can't wait for this realization to trickle over to the people who promote self-driving autos.
Perhaps not very wise of them at the end of the day though, I wonder what they do during brown outs. I suspect given their vehicle of choice they have the luxury of staying home, but perhaps I'm not being very generous and they drive the lower end Tesla's that are more in reach due to subsidy.
I'm forced to notice California's overt hostility towards energy generation, which is directly at odd's with their desire to swap to electric vehicles.
If the nation (or California) woke up tomorrow and decided to go full-bore nuclear I'd be a lot less skeptical given that currently an electric car is still using fossil fuels, it merely outsources the generative capacity from the vehicles engine to a station far away which also carries it's own negative externalities. In California in particular, adding a ton of draw to their grid that they are currently working to destroy is it's own ticking time bomb, doubly so for those who 'made the swap'.
In at least some fairness, the data farms put up by the AI companies are pushing for power generation but at the same time that entire bubble is poised to burst any time now. I wouldn't count on their current heft to last.
"...My vehicles sometimes park outside in below-freezing weather, which would be bad for the E.V. battery..."
But good for preventing structure fires.
Yeah, I'll believe self driving cars have potential when they can do my commute in a major snow storm.
No matter how viable self-driving cars become, they will be a part of the future dystopia. When self-driving cars hit the road in substantial numbers, the government will impose regulations requiring passenger identification, tracking, and, eventually, remote override capability.
Scenarios:
1.) Joe Sixpack orders a RoboTaxi. When he gets in, he is required to "sign-in" to the device. Then app cross-checks his identity against warrants and, finding a warrant for a misdemeanor three weeks ago, locks him in the vehicle and drives to the nearest Police in-processing garage.
2.) Jane Doe tries to order a RobotTaxi, but because she has been flagged as an "anti-government agitator" (for advocating against mandatory genital reassignment), she is "blacklisted" and no autonomous car will respond or allow her to travel.
Absolutely right. There is a small segment for which electric vehicles will work. The problem is that they already have bought them so the manu's are into replacement mode. Combine that with the people on the edge who bought them because of the subsidies and will not do it again without and GM has a giant problem. Toyota ignored the electric craze and went all in on hybrids which has paid of big for them. I talked to one guy who has one and he said the only reason he bought a Volt is because he works for the city and the city government installed free charging stations for it's employees to use.
I would buy a used Tesla as a second/third vehicle. Except for the goddamn dash, and lack of knobs and buttons. Lucid looks to be the better choice currently.
"How dare you" Doom Goblin hardest hit.
First time I’ve ever seen a really fat goblin. And I’ve played a lot of DnD.
If we allowed China to sell it's super cheap subsidized cars in the US - I guarantee you would start to see them scattered about the ghettos. As a throw away entry level car they might make sense.
Biden's dream of the green economy providing high paid jobs is just that - a dream - with no anchor in reality.
They don't really subsidize cars. Their government DID subsidize the creation of charging infrastructure - which is one reason they now have roughly 3 million public charging points v less than 200,000 in the US. And they have eliminated barriers to producing electric generation.
But the reason cars are cheap in China is because they follow Marxism. Specifically the notion that profits will fall to zero in competition. To resist that, 'capitalists' distort the system in order to 'exploit' labor. Countering that is where Marxist theory prescribes different 'remedies'. In the Chinese case, they welcome brutal competition in the market. Where only a few winners survive - and they either get taxed or find that the government encourages (not subsidizes but yes redistorts) a new wave of competition. Great for consumers - not so much for investors/'capitalists'.
Immediately after the end of the $7500 credit, Tesla rolled out a Model 3 that was $5500 cheaper.
Capitalism ! Greed isn't a bug, it's a feature !
Marxism! Totalitarianism and genocide aren’t a bug, they’re a feature!
Fuck off pinko.
Commie shits! Stupidity isn't a bug, it's a feature!
Fuck off and die, asswipe.
A woman in the Soviet Union had saved up 7 years to buy her first car. She went to the dealership where they selected the model for her and she paid. The dealer told her the car would be ready for her next August 17th and asked whether she would like to pick it up in the morning or the afternoon. She replied,
“Oh, the afternoon. That day the plumber is coming in the morning.”
Kill yourself.
Tesla had announced a cheaper version months ago.
Access to a hybrid vehicle...allows people to enjoy the benefits of electrification
And those are...?
Let's agree to disagree and promote lab-grown meat so we can all enjoy the benefits of ranchland being returned to nature.
How's the Bison repopulation project going?
*theorizing*
Maybe your electrified car is the Peter Suderman COVID mask of automobiles: having one makes you not look like a Republican?
Except for having a Tesla, which went from good to bad by association.
+1 I drive a hybrid electric car alone with my N95 mask resting on my upper lip.
Gas mileage is the most obvious one.
A hybrid is also not pluggable in most cases, it uses things actually present on the vehicle to recharge. You can just use the existing network of gas stations too. That's a plus.
The downside is it still has a battery that is likely going to dictate the lifespan of the vehicle, but you can remove the battery entirely and now you have a pure ICE vehicle too.
Not sure how universal all of that is, there are way too many models for me to be knowledgeable about, but at least with mine that is the case.
You can't remove the engine in a Hybrid, nor can you remove the battery. Many are plug in Hybrids but these are not reliable and should be avoided.
Toyota gave away the technology to the world to allow all manufacturers to produce Hybrids because they understand the lack of resources that are required to supply 100% EV's.
There's not enough resources to supply 100% Hybrids.
I never said you could remove the engine, that's absurd, and at least in my AWD Rav4 model you can remove the battery and it's just a heavier FWD Rav4. It was a selling point and one of the reasons we went with it. Since I drive 80 miles to work and 80 miles back, it's been a decent buy.
Our second car is just a standard ICE, so we have choices.
You love to spend hours at some remote location waiting for a charger to become available? And then hours getting a charge?
And parking outside to avoid burning down your home?
And losing 50% of what you paid once you leave the dealership?
No one could be that ignorant! You MUST be a legacy auto troll.
I have a late model Ford Fusion hybrid among my vehicles. Bought it two years old when I needed something that would be a good choice for driving 5Ok per year. Averages a little over 40 mpg and is very comfortable. It’s sitting at about 135k currently, and has needed nothing outside of scheduled maintenance and tires.
It drives like a regular car and isn’t weird looking. So some hybrids are pretty good.
It seems like the current market for electric vehicles is entirely the creation of government policy.
Seems? I guess it is ok as long as it is just billion$ in handouts and not buying a minority stake in the business. That would be socialism.
"it seems", gee when did he get a fucking clue?
Yeah the progressives/democrats prefer fascism as the means to socialist ends.
G.M. Takes $1.6 Billion Loss After Electric Vehicle Subsidy Goes Away
It seems like the current market for electric vehicles is entirely the creation of government policy.
This is what happens when you agree to disagree and insist that climate change can be dealt with through technological advancements.
What is the alternative, prayer?
"You're not mentally equipped to fight this thing. And you never will be."
You don't say.
Water is wet. Film at 11.
I like to think of electric cars as the 'immigrant labor' of the automobile world. Lots of employers want them, but not at the cost and price of their more naturally-priced counterparts.
Ray Kurzweil always said technology is cheap when it’s good. EV’s really aren’t ready for prime time yet. Maybe Trump can strong arm the EU into backing off on EV mandates. That would help destroy China’s economy, and lessen their global threat.
EVs are ideal for local delivery vehicles. They have fewer moving parts so there is less to break down. They charge overnight when demand is low.
We have over a century of experience with electric trolleybuses. They are more reliable, have better performance, and last twice as long as diesel buses. However, they only seem to still exist in Boston, Philadelphia, San Francisco, and Seattle. Battery powered buses should be similar except for the weight of the battery.
Electrics are a disaster for local delivery involving heavy trucks. Wife's company tried them and quickly discarded them. Break downs, running out of power, too long to charge. Local power company also told them there was no infrastructure to charge an entire fleet of the things.
Tariffs are just increased taxes on the citizenry while not admitting that you are increasing taxes on the citizenry. Who do you think GM is going to pass this off onto ?
Nobody smart enough to never buy a new car for one
You voted for raising taxes, bailouts, expanding government and fiscal destruction for generations. As if you care what a corporation is going to do. And you should have learned by now tariffs are not taxes because not everyone will pay them, you have a choice...
"tariffs are not taxes because not everyone will pay them"
The lies of the MAGA trolls never seem to amaze me.
So if I'm reading this correctly Trump was right again? That's unpossible.
I thought this was a story about subsidies for electric cars and the government regulations forcing people to buy them but Reason just can't stop a non sequetor on tariffs to bash Trump.
Write an article about EVs and not mention Tesla. Elon said more than once that he didn't want subsidies - they were put in just for GM, and Tesla would benefit without them.
"...they were put in just for GM, and Tesla would benefit without them."
Bull.
Shit.
For years the only money Tesla made was selling their 'feel-good' eco-warrants to IC automakers.
Whatever you're smoking, I don't want it.
Yes. Teslas would sell well without subsidies if Elon hadn’t interfered in politics.
Did Elon meddle in Dutch or German or French politics when the subsidies ended then, in those places?
Again, as above, for someone so crusading on behalf of the global climate 100 yrs. in the future you seem exceptionally dim about things that happened in relatively peer nations in exceedingly recent history.
Hooray! Thanks POTUS Donald Trump Jr for fighting against and removing some of the democrat fascism that has been growing steadily since Obama was elected.
Sadly there are still billion in subsidies being provided that has not been stopped yet.
Sunset clauses should be required for any new gov programs or policies or spending allocations which will help reduce the current size and attempted future expansion of the swamp.
Getting rid of the democrats will help a lot too.
Yes, and kill the tariffs on imported cars. Government shouldn’t dictate what we can buy from him.
Certainly the gov't giving my money to others so they can buy a virtue-sign made a difference, but EVs suck in any actual metric you can name.
And they're dangerous.
Worst. Tech. Evuh.
Best tech ever. If you know, you know.
Spoken like a true BMW owner.
More like a Volkswagen owner.
Subsidies matter. But for everyday commuting EVs are pretty nice to drive. Love the acceleration and handling. We have one and a charger at home. I think once the charging infrastructure builds up, the % may get over 30. No one who doesn't like them has to buy them. Let the market decide.
Love the acceleration and handling.
Also spoken like a true BMW owner.
FIFY
Newsom and a great many other watermelons are certainly trying to force everyone to buy EVs.
A friend of mine bought a Nissan Leaf years ago and has been taunting us ever since with how little it costs to fuel and maintain. The electricity is practically roundoff error on his electric bill the thing never breaks down.
sadly we have to say it...if you have to subsidize something that means people don't want it at the cost it takes to deliver it. econ 101.
^BINGO... Well said.
'Subsidizing' is just legalizing mass "ARMED-Theft" for the producer.
Literally crony-socialism 101. 'Guns' (Gov-Guns) cannot act to ensure justice-all and provide for 'armed-theft' at the same time.
Armed theft like tariffs.
Or far-more significantly Domestic Production Taxes.
Course you know that. You also know [D]'s SPEND stolen $ like nobody else.
The only reason under the sun you'd ever still support the [D] team is gangster loyalty.
'G.M. Takes $1.6 Billion Loss After Electric Vehicle Subsidy Goes Away'
See? Marx was right. Capitalism does not work!
"Capitalism does not work!" ... for elitist dictators population-slavery pipe-dreams. FTFY.
It was all about the [D] Nazi's trying to monopolize the people's energy sources.
Actually it is the ICE car market that is driven by regulation now. If we were allowed to buy foreign EV’s without prohibitive tariffs, ICE new car sales would largely disappear in ten years.
UR so F.O.S. WHAT regulation favors ICE?
How do people get ^that^ stupid?
The same stupidity that makes people think that tariffs are a good idea.
The same stupid that makes people think they don't need to pay the bills they voted for.
Though that probably fits more inline with Selfish-Greed than stupid.
Pure wishful thinking.
Correct. The market would result in most gasoline stations getting multiple fast charging stations. Many will provide more food options. Remember that Kentucky Fried Chicken started out as a little eatery at a gasoline station. It is only government that is preventing EVs from totally taking over.
Yeah.. It is time to end the 'government' central-planning of vehicles.
We'll see just how much 'preventing' the government is doing to E.V.
Funny how they didn't even exist until 'armed-theft' for them was allowed.
That's a stupid statement. There is not enough power in the country to charge electric vehicles if everyone bought one and the left won't let powerplants let alone the transmission lines needed to transfer the power to be built.
If the government has to pay people to buy your product, you don’t have a commercially viable product. Stop manipulating the market and let the market (ie. The people) decide.
Imported EVs would take over the market within a few years were it not for the government protecting the ICE vehicle industry. Cancel the subsidies AND the tariffs and let the people decide.
What is more likely to happen is that China will take over the world automobile market as the automakers in the US are "protected". Especially the two that are still based in the US.
Ironically the United Auto Workers loves Loves LOVES tariffs. They are loving themselves into oblivion.
Do you think domestic ICE production is tax-exempt?
Explain this 'protection' status you claim....
UR not doing anything but trying to spread pure-BS and blatant Lies.
From the start, the Biden-era rules prioritized all-electric vehicles
Which, btw, was the most anti-environmentalist thing ever.
Not to mention yet another capitulation and subservience to the CCP.