Tough It Out

Plus: Charlie Kirk's funeral's aesthetics, Kamala Harris' election postmortem, and more...

Tough it out, ladies: "Don't take Tylenol," President Donald Trump told America's pregnant women yesterday. "Don't take it. Fight like hell not to take it."

Instead, pregnant women should "tough it out" when they're in pain, said Trump, touting a possible link between Tylenol use—specifically, acetaminophen—in pregnancy and autism.

Acetaminophen is frequently the only pain reliever pregnant women are allowed to take. And the link between that drug and a child in utero developing autism is rather tenuous; medical research is in no way conclusive on this, so it's a little insane that Trump and his top health deputy Robert F. Kennedy Jr. are going public with this. (RFK Jr. and Marty Makary, Food and Drug Administration commissioner, also touted a B-vitamin-based drug called leucovorin that has showed some promise at treating autism.)

There are a few issues here. One is that we need to sort out whether autism rates have actually increased a lot because autism is on the rise or because we have gotten more expansive about what we consider autism to be.

"The constellation of traits categorized as 'autism' wasn't named until Leo Kanner's descriptions of 'abnormal behaviour' in the 1940s, and it would be another nearly forty years before American psychiatry provided criteria for autism diagnoses in the third edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-III)," writes Cremieux on the Cremieux Recueil Substack. "Before the DSM-III came out in 1980, autism diagnoses were usually ad hoc, based on the personal views of different clinicians and researchers about what autism is and how to diagnose it. Because autism was regarded as particularly severe prior to the DSM treatment of it and those whose condition goes unnoticed by adulthood likely aren't severe cases, and because there was practically no incentive to diagnose until the most recent generations, that meant it was diagnosed rarely, making subsequent increases that much more exaggerated."

And there was a clear incentive in place, passed in 1975 and altered in the early '90s, for autism diagnoses to become much more common: "The Education for All Handicapped Children Act (known as the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act or 'IDEA' from 1990 onwards), [led] to the 'Child Find' mandate, whereby schools were required to actively identify, locate, and evaluate all children with disabilities, regardless of severity. With the Child Find mandate in place, each disabled child found led to additional funds for schools, incentivizing them to classify ever more children as having disabilities," writes Cremieux.

It's possible that autism is on the rise, but it's very hard to get a real sense of the truth of this (and the magnitude), since diagnostic criteria and incentives have changed so drastically in recent decades. As for the link between acetaminophen and autism, it looks like our health officials and president are claiming a strong link when none exists. It's certainly a worthy area of study, but irresponsible for the president and top health officials to be making such bold claims.

In a study of ~2.5M children, there was a small association between in utero Tylenol use and subsequent autism. But the association disappears entirely when you introduce sibling controls, implying it's spurious. https://t.co/mFUJmHMRtB pic.twitter.com/OTZimYfuso

— Charles Fain Lehman (@CharlesFLehman) September 22, 2025

Thankfully, the actual guidance hasn't really changed but acknowledged the possible link to autism. It's just "doctors, instruct pregnant women to minimize acetaminophen usage"—which is what they had already been doing. "While an association between acetaminophen and autism has been described in many studies, a causal relationship has not been established and there are contrary studies in the scientific literature," wrote FDA Commissioner Makary in a letter to physicians. "The association is an ongoing area of scientific debate and clinicians should be aware of the issue in their clinical decision-making, especially given that most short-term fevers in pregnant women and young children do not require medication. In the spirit of patient safety and prudent medicine, clinicians should consider minimizing the use of acetaminophen during pregnancy for routine low-grade fevers."

This is representative of so many Trump admin moves: Make a slightly foolish proclamation that doesn't really change all that much, everyone freaks out, outrage news cycle is generated, people overstate the importance, Overton window is changed slightly to bring an obscure theory (link between Tylenol and autism) into the mainstream, everyone moves on and is mostly fine.

Politically, this sounds plausible to me as the theory of what went down behind the scenes:

Ok. Here's the deal: RFK Jr. overpromised an autism report with a tight deadline to his base and to Trump, who is curious about autism in a sort of hobbyist way.

He had to deliver something that would satisfy them. He has insisted forever that epidemics are *only* caused by… https://t.co/i5up9oSBQ3

— Rachael Bedard (@RBMD1982) September 23, 2025

"Doctors have always approached medications in pregnancy by using it only when indicated, lowest dose, for the shortest duration," Nathaniel DeNicola, an adviser to the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, told The New York Times. "That applies to Tylenol tomorrow the same as it does today, the same as it did yesterday."

Perhaps we will soon return to our time-honored tradition of ignoring the public health authorities and doing whatever the damn hell we please.

Follow-up: The White House said, following news coverage and outcry, that doctors may in fact get a special waiver from the new, boosted $100,000 H-1B visa fee (covered in yesterday's Roundup). This is better than creating a physician shortage, but the Trump administration could also surely manage to do less picking of winners and losers.

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Scenes from New York: "Zohran Mamdani, the Democratic nominee for mayor of New York City, said on Monday that he was withdrawing from a town hall on WABC that had been planned for this week, in protest of the decision by the station's parent company to indefinitely suspend Jimmy Kimmel's talk show," reports The New York Times. Just one issue: Kimmel was reinstated. So, does that mean Mamdani no longer has an excuse?

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QUICK HITS

• Makes you think!

Forget Tylenol, there are thousands of first trimester babies bathing in ozempic as we speak

— Kitten ???????? (@kitten_beloved) September 23, 2025

• "107 Days is about the advice not taken. Democrats built a cautious campaign, with policies they could pay for, on the premise that most voters didn't want truly radical change on immigration and tariffs. They did. Biden, and then Harris, bet that the country would be repelled by at least one of Trump's decisions or character traits," writes David Weigel for Semafor. "It wasn't. The result is a book that will convince on-the-fence Democrats that Harris isn't part of their electoral future….Harris sounds trapped between the expectations of Trump's first term, when progressives saw him as an accidental president, and the experience of his 2024 primary campaign—that the country is more conservative than Democrats thought. When Bernie Sanders urges her to 'focus on the working class, not just abortion,' she notes it. But she doesn't come up with a memorable economic offer, griping at how Trump got out a viral 'no tax on tips' policy while she tinkered with a more comprehensive one."
• "Walt Disney Co. said Jimmy Kimmel Live! will return to the air on Tuesday, ending a suspension imposed following controversial remarks its ABC late-night host made about the assassination of Republican activist Charlie Kirk," reports Bloomberg. "'We have spent the last days having thoughtful conversations with Jimmy, and after those conversations, we reached the decision to return the show on Tuesday,' Disney said in a statement." (Sure they have.) Not every affiliate will bring him back, though:

This just in: A @WeAreSinclair rep tells me that "beginning Tuesday night Sinclair will be preempting 'Jimmy Kimmel Live!' across our ABC affiliate stations and replacing it with news programming. Discussions with ABC are ongoing as we evaluate the show's potential return."

— Brian Stelter (@brianstelter) September 22, 2025

• Yes:

Even if we pretend for the sake of argument that these are comparable cases: Why would you expect libertarians to support the FCC's indecency rules? Is there a single libertarian in America who thinks FCC v. Pacifica was rightly decided? https://t.co/APTkeQMJpm

— Jesse Walker (@notjessewalker) September 22, 2025

• I don't relate to this. "Aesthetics" and "sensibilities" are one level of critique, sure, but I think Charlie Kirk's widow, Erika, is doing an incredible job of communicating the tenets of the Christian faith—extraordinary, Christlike forgiveness—during the worst moments of her life. Her intense trust in the Lord has really inspired me, personally. That matters more than whether the aesthetics are off. And, remember, this is really a covert way of saying middle-America believers are low-brow compared with the high-brow, truly enlightened big-city dwellers who don't need to rely on Big Man in Sky. I don't like that way of looking at our fellow Americans, both because it is unkind and because it is untrue:

I've spent half of my adult life living in one foreign country or another and I don't think I've ever felt so estranged from the surrounding culture as I am from the aesthetics and sensibilities of this movement. Not even a criticism, I just feel more at home in Greece than in… pic.twitter.com/rz6K9YYdVO

— Thomas Chatterton Williams (@thomaschattwill) September 22, 2025

Comments

[Chumby]

The Age of Trantifa Has Ended

United States President Donald J. Trump just signed an order officially designating Antifa as a domestic terrorist organization.

- Bellum Acta

Rules and protocols established under Obama and Biden should be a cause for concern for those participating in and funding Antifa activities. You are now a terrorist. Buh bye.

[Idaho-Bob]

I am enjoying the leftist idiots on social media declaring "I am Antifa"; cuz, you know, "anti-fascist".

Then in the next post they cheer the death of Kirk because they hate conservatives and Christianity.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Maybe they would rather be called Communists. Then we can replay the ideology wars of early to mid 20th century Europe.

[Mickey Rat]

We have not been doing that already?

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Not until we have enough daily bombings.

[Super Scary]

The big brains over at reddit are claiming all of the allied soldiers in WW2 were Antifa too.

[Uilleam]

Like that time they burned down all the bodegas to fight the Nazis?

[Marshal]

In the next post they claim antifa doesn't exist.

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

Maddow and CNN are already back to claiming antifa is a myth.

[InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)]

Omertà. There is no such thing as la cosa nostra.

[Marshal]

Right. It's not like spy, terrorist, and criminal networks have always organized themselves without an organization chart.

This can only mean they don't exist! What fools.

[HorseConch]

I'm still torn between it's not a real thing and how dare he call our political group a terrorist org. It literally has anti-fascist in the name for crying out loud.

[Overt]

I truly wonder who these lazy dumbfucks think they are fooling with the "It says anti-fascist in the name" talking point. That line was played out with the public by the end of 2020.

My suspicion is that these poor LARPers want to feel powerful. That's why they join Antifa- so they can be nothing more than mob bullies. And then they get online and tell blatant lies, knowing that everyone knows they are full of shit. But that is what makes them feel that moment of power in their impotent little lives- knowing that for that one moment they can deny reality with a smile.

It is like when Gavin Nuisance stood in front of those cameras and insisted "Sure I violated my own lockdown orders and ate at the French Laundry- but we were outdoors!" He smiled saying that, knowing that there are dozens of pictures showing them closed off indoors; knowing that the media would cover for him by repeating his lie and moving on without an ounce of skepticism.

I truly think these pathetic antifa goons want just that power- it makes them feel special to wink and nod with their mob and deny that they are nothing more than LARPing, lost boys with a psychopathic urge to break shit.

Only now the public is telling them they are full of shit, and they are going to have to cower back into their parents' basement and find some other way to feel big again.

[Gaear Grimsrud]

I've been trying to figure out how the left decided that their enemies were best described as fascist. It's a word that actually used to have a definition but in their usage it seems to be a generic term for authoritarianism. And they have deemed it right wing for some reason. Socialism, Stalinism and Maoism would actually be better descriptors of authoritarianism but they won't use those terms because they actually subscribe to those. I'm left to assume that they chose fascism because nobody remembers what the word means and they can just make up an ever changing definition. I get that language evolves but I still speak English motherfuckers. Stop fucking with my fucking language.

[Chumby]

JD Vance is wrong about Antifa’s Extreme Fascism

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

I've been trying to figure out how the left decided that their enemies were best described as fascist. It's a word that actually used to have a definition but in their usage it seems to be a generic term for authoritarianism.

It's nothing more than decades-old cope for Hitler violating Molotov-Ribbentrop, along with anti-marxist groups in general preventing Leninist-Stalinist groups from taking over Europe after World War I. Harry Truman called Dewey a Nazi, for fucks sake.

[Juliana Frink]

"...they join Antifa- so they can be nothing more than mob bullies. And then they get online and tell blatant lies, knowing that everyone knows they are full of shit. But that is what makes them feel that moment of power in their impotent little lives- knowing that for that one moment they can deny reality with a smile."

Exactly. They feel powerful, despite being the lowliest of pawns for the real fascists. Shills for the globalist/fascist psy-op they cannot even see right in front of them. The epitome of lazy dumbfucks.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

I truly wonder who these lazy dumbfucks think they are fooling with the "It says anti-fascist in the name" talking point. That line was played out with the public by the end of 2020.

It's basically just like the meme:
"We call ourselves the Anti-Bad Guy Squad and we label our opponents the Bad Guys. How can people not understand this? We can never be terrorists because we're fighting the bad guys. It's so simple to understand. Everything we do is justified because of our name."

[Mother's Lament]

"You can tell we are the good guys because we call ourselves the Good Guys and we call you the Bad Guys. See, it's right there in our name.
How can we be the bad guys when we're the Good Guys and you are the Bad Guys?"

A Sarcasmic-tier argument.

[Fu Manchu]

LOL that's not even a legal designation. Trump and his cult are so fucking dumb.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

How (D)ifferent is it when (D)emocrats (D)o it?

[InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)]

No, Kung Fu Shrike, you’re the idiot cultist here. Antifa has both organization and a long history of terrorist activities.

[Fu Manchu]

Dumbass that's not what I was saying. "Domestic terrorist organization" has the same legal weight as "very bad guys I don't like". Yes Antifa is a bunch of retards that want to break things. But that is entirely beside the point.

[Chumby]

https://psychcentral.com/disorders/treating-pedophilia#aversion-therapy

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

Wut?

https://www.icnl.org/resources/terrorism-laws-in-the-united-states

32 states have domestic terrorism laws retard.

Also at federal.

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title18/part1/chapter113B&edition=prelim

[Chumby]

Wouldn’t it be rich of shrike gets sent to a federal “pound him in the ass” prison for antifa activities instead of for when he posted a link to child pornography here?

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

I hear pedos get special attention in prison.

[Chumby]

There once was a Shrike lived in Dogdick,
CP is what made him tick.
When arrested and jailed,
Saw in life he had failed.
In his ass where the inmates would stick.

[Fu Manchu]

You retards have no reading comprehension. Of course terrorism is illegal, whether by domestic or foreign organizations or individuals. But there's no legal meaning to the president designating an organization as a "domestic terrorist organization". Of course the guy can say what he wants. But it's unlike foreign organizations where if the president designates it as one, law forbids providing material support among other things.

[Chumby]

https://psychcentral.com/disorders/treating-pedophilia#aversion-therapy

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

Did you struggle coming up with that retarded rationalization?

[InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)]

And what would you consider the Weatherman, Kung Fu Shrike?

[Mother's Lament]

... or the May 19th Communist Organization, who exploded a bomb in congress in 1983?

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

You guys cant even narrative right.

All left wing violence is really groyper lone wolf instances.

All other violence is right wing.

[Chumby]

If they donated to Act Blue, then “conservative.”

[Idaho-Bob]

Now do Obama and the Juggalos.

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

Poor retarded shrike. First he starts with boomer rhetoric logic this morning. Now just raging.

About 5 minutes away from calling Steven Miller a Christian nationalist.

[swillfredo pareto]

Some people do call him The Space Cowboy.

[InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)]

Some people call him Maurice.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

As has been pointed out, the whole "Antifa isn't an organization" is just misdirection. They have cells, membership requirements, and administrative structures, and are organized similar to ISIS, just without the so-called "spiritual leaders" associated with it, or the KKK during the early 20th century. And ironically, the Obama administration and Deep State provided the playbook for engaging groups like this, from a cyber and material standpoint.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Don't take it. Fight like hell not to take it.

Cue Twisted Sister.

[The Average Dude (Who's Smarter Than You)]

"take some aspirin...and tough it out a little". - former AG Jeff Sessions.

We truly only hire the Best for government.

[EISTAU Gree-Vance]

Or was that Quiet Riot? I get those two confused.

[InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)]

Come on, feel the noise. Girls, rock your boys.

[Chumby]

Freedom Fries

Macron's car was stopped in New York because of Trump.

The street was blocked due to the US president's motorcade, so his French counterpart went on foot. While waiting, Macron called Trump.

"How are you? Guess what. I'm waiting on the street because everything is closed for you," Macron said laughing.

- Intel Slava

Macron and Trump are in shithole NYC (recently, an illegal alien rapefugee raped a corpse on a NYC subway) for a UN general assembly gathering.

Semi-related, a person has been detained after using a laser pointer attempting to blind the pilot of Marine One while helicoptering Trump from the White House. If the person has ties to Antifa they might get to spend the next fifty years incarcerated. Buh bye.

[GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND]

Hey man, laser pointers are just free expression, fascist!

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Blue laser or red laser?

[Jefferson Paul]

Jewish space laser

[Fist of Etiquette]

And the link between that drug and a child in utero developing autism is rather tenuous...

If it saves just one life.

[Chumby]

Imagine fewer jeffsarcSSqrsly.

[Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)]

Take thalidomide instead.

[Chumby]

It gets the seal of approval.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Don't flip the narrative.

[Quicktown Brix]

As long as it's limited to a suggestion. We wouldn't want it enforced by the long arm of the law.

[Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)]

It was considered safe by the government “experts”.

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

Trust the government experts - white mike

[Ajsloss]

Any of you would've done the same!

[Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)]

Facts changed!

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Real freedom means not having to think.

[Chumby]

Mike Laursen pushed the covid vax as “just a wittle ouchie.”

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

Lol. Forgot about that.

[Quicktown Brix]

...long arm?...no one?

[Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)]

You had them stumped.

[Quicktown Brix]

Yeah, I knew I was going out on a limb.

[Jefferson Paul]

I first heard of thalidomide from listening to the song, "We Didn't Start the Fire."

"children of thalidomide"

[HorseConch]

As hard as they fucked the economy and citizens in general undoubtedly resulting in more death than letting it fly, they'll fight this tooth and nail.

[Ron]

its rather tenuous if you ignore the 47 studies showing a potential link. how many studies does it take? to maybe not take to many. Of course i've already seen many on 'X" gulping down Tylenol I hope they don't over do it and cause real harm

[Jefferson Paul]

I've heard an explanation that when controlling for siblings that the correlation goes way down.

Does that mean that a mother took acetaminophen when pregnant multiple times, but only one of her kids was diagnosed with autism? Does that really counter the argument, or just mean that acetaminophen use isn't so causal that every pregnancy in that situation will result in children with autism? Or is the acetaminophen link just BS?

[Fist of Etiquette]

...but the Trump administration could also surely manage to do less picking of winners and losers.

America: winners. The rest of the wretched planet: LOSERS.

[Chumby]

Those going ti bed with an itchy ass might be picking something a bit stinky.

[Quo Usque Tandem]

During my childhood I was told that Confucius said that.

[Chumby]

I believe it was included in his seminal work,

Hu Flung Poo

[Jefferson Paul]

No, Hu Flung Poo was one of the pilots of Asiana Airlines Flight 214 in 2013 that crashed.

If you don't get the reference, check out the clip of the local newscaster pulling a Ron Burgundy while reading the names of the pilots and staff who died.

[InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)]

Wasn’t another, Ho Lee Fuk?

[Jefferson Paul]

Yeah, I think so. There were so many, and the newscaster just kept reading them off with no recognition of what he was saying, just like a real-life Ron Burgundy. Reportedly, it was some low-level guy working for the airport who switched out the names being relayed to the news channel.

Another I remember was "Wi Tu Lo."

[Randy Sax]

Was that the same guy who said smart men don't play leap frog with unicorns?

[Fist of Etiquette]

It's possible that autism is on the rise...

This kind of thing is the most maddening of prevarications. Is there anyone over the age of Zoomer who doesn't see a marked increase in autistic people? At some point anecdotally rises to the level of obvious.

[Ajsloss]

Just listened to a bartender go on and on about his autism diagnosis on Sunday. I just wanted a beer while I watched the football game.

[InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)]

There are a lot of people out there who are simply somewhat socially awkward but self-diagnose (erroneously) as autistic.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Can we call them "idiots"?

[A Thinking Mind]

This. Autism used to be just one thing, now it’s a whole spectrum of tenuously related things.

Just like people who think that because they are diagnosed ADHD, it means their brain works differently, which becomes them over explaining every mundane thing. They just get distracted when doing boring tasks, like every other human on earth.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

The latest invented label is "neuro-diverse". And since that actually covers all of us, we are indeed all victims.

[Zeb]

If it's a spectrum, wouldn't that imply that everyone is on it somewhere?

[Jefferson Paul]

Linguistically, no. For example, infrared light is not part of the visible light spectrum.

Better question is if there are more points in the autism spectrum than genders in the "gender spectrum," and what the overlap would be in a Venn diagram (those on the autism spectrum who also claim a creative "gender" on the "gender spectrum").

[Social Justice is neither]

No because they've opened it up so much you're talking electromagnetic spectrum, not just the visible light slice.

[Zeb]

This is a problem I have with diagnosing personality traits as disorders. If the diagnosis helps figure out how to be happier, then fine. But a lot of the time it seems to mostly serve to make people more annoying and obsessed with the diagnosis.

[Sometimes a Great Notion]

And there's incentives, from drug seeking behavior to extra time on tests to victim status.

[InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)]

And if diagnosed by a doctor, said doctor may (more than likely) be getting a kickback for prescribing a medication to treat the “malady”. It probably goes hand-in-hand. The patient believes he/she is autistic and the doctor has no incentive to say otherwise while prescribing a medication.

[Marshal]

But a lot of the time it seems to mostly serve to make people more annoying and obsessed with the diagnosis.

A diagnosis justifies their behavior. It's much easier and more fun to justify your behavior than control it. This is similar to joining antifa in the first place. One option is the hard work of learning a skill and going to work every day, the other option is to form drum circles and talk about how everyone else sucks. One is a lot easier and more fun than the other.

[Vernon Depner]

There is controversy in psychiatry and psychology about the legitimacy of the concept of "personality disorders", and whether it is ethical to "treat" them.

[Ron]

schools get more money for the more autistic & ADHD kids they have so they introduced a spectrum so they can classify more as autistic. I've meet a few people with truly autistic kids and a few people who claim their kid is autistic and clearly the kid is fine. everyone wants to be part of some group

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

Also get an upper for welfare programs if you can get someone to say your kid is autistic.

[EISTAU Gree-Vance]

“..,,,,each disabled child found led to additional funds for schools, incentivizing them to…….”

God damn it, man. This is why I kinda want to see a major collapse. It’s the fucking parasites, man. This shit has to blow up in their faces at some point, right? And there’s no getting rid of them until there’s nothing left to steal.

[Randy Sax]

Chatty bartenders in general I don't much like.

[Zeb]

One of the main symptoms of low grade autism seems to be going on and on about the diagnosis.

[Dillinger]

^^

[Jefferson Paul]

As intersectionality has raised victimhood into a virtue, and having a disability (real or imagined) is seen as making one a victim, people (especially leftwing women) seek out diagnoses like Anxiety or Autism to feel empowered in this new, bizarre paradigm. That's one of the reasons people won't shut up about their disabilities, especially online, whether the disability is real or adopted.

[damikesc]

Tell me you did not tip him and, instead, demanded money for you serving as his therapist.

[tracerv]

Nothing worse than a bartender that doesn't know when to shut the fuck up. I usually tab out and hit another place.

[Zeb]

I'd agree that there does seem to be some kind of increase. But I still think it's kind of hard to say how much. A lot of people who would have just been a little weird in the past are diagnosed as autistic now.
I think more older parents probably has something to do with it too. I know a fair number of people who had kids in their late 30s whose kids seem to be some kind of "on the spectrum".

[Overt]

Hah...you beat me to it. Yes I think there is ample room to look at this. But EVERY incentive is against this sort of finding.

1) It is telling people that disability of their kids is their own fault just for being old.
2) National policies are increasingly aligned with trying to have more kids due to population decline- they do not want to give women a reason not to have kids.
3) No product to sue.
4) No easy answers.

That said, if a link to older eggs were determined, perhaps work could be made to identify ways of reducing the incidence. It could be genetic damage to the eggs, or it could just be a matter of getting the right supplements.

[Marshal]

It could be genetic damage to the eggs,

They don't blame autism on the egg, they blame it on the sperm which I find highly amusing. We don't even know if it is happening, but if it is they're sure responsibility follows the victim hierarchy.

[mamabug]

The biggest issue we aren't talking about is that a huge chunk of so-called 'disorders' is simply a byproduct of modernity. Human beings did not evolve to live in such an artificially rigid and disconnected way. Add to that the feminization of everything and it is no wonder we so conveniently find ways to make the problem be on the individual who doesn't fit into the modern society and not on the society itself.

[Vernon Depner]

Maybe that's a reason for the "trans" fad—it's a return to traditional sex roles, which might to comforting to some in our artificial "modern" society.

[mamabug]

Interesting take. I do find it interesting how the majority of trans people hard-lean into the worst stereotypes of the gender they wish to be - at least for transwomen. Transmen seem to be dealing more with trauma that makes them want to be as unfeminine as possible.

[Vernon Depner]

"Gender affirming care" is conversion therapy.

[Overt]

"This kind of thing is the most maddening of prevarications."

I agree, and there is reasonable indication that it just has to do with having kids later in life. But it is such a politically ripe issue that no study will ever get a fair shake. There are many who want to deny its even a problem ("It's not a disability, it is Neuro-diversity...they are just different") and then there are the trial lawyers who want a product to sue.

[Fist of Etiquette]

That is interesting. Somehow I hadn't heard that geriatric pregnancies theory but it could definitely make sense.

[shrike]

Donnie/Scottie to bail out Argentina:

US ready to support Argentina with 'large and forceful' action, Treasury chief says
....
Markets have been roiled by corruption allegations inside Milei's circle and a larger-than-expected loss in a local election in Buenos Aires, reflecting growing frustration with austerity measures and triggering investor concern over Milei's ability to continue to reshape the economy, with October midterm elections on the horizon.
Bessent, a former hedge fund executive, said he did not see a risk of financial contagion from the fallout and underlined Washington's confidence in Argentina's implementation of economic reforms. Since taking power in late 2023, Milei has had some success in taming high inflation and achieving a budget surplus.
"What they're trying to do is bolster Argentina until the elections - if they can get that far," said Mark Sobel, a former senior U.S. Treasury official and current U.S. chairman of the Official Monetary and Financial Institutions Forum think tank.

Reuters

[Chumby]

https://psychcentral.com/disorders/treating-pedophilia#aversion-therapy

[GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND]

You were banned for posting a link to child porn.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Not enough allocations for Argentine transgender Marxist opera?

[Chumby]

There once was a trans from Nantucket,
Between his legs often would tuck it.
To augment the charade,
Lost his balls to a blade.
And tossed them inside of a bucket.

[InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)]

What happened to your original SPB account, Shrike?

[Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment]

turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

'Tough It Out'?

How dare you! Our 21st century American culture is based on sensitivity and offense. Freedom, and, um, "fairness", means never feeling challenged, physically, financially, or emotionally.

[Idaho-Bob]

Congrats, you just discounted everything sarc stands for.

[GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND]

Poor sarc.

[Mother's Lament]

Tylenol use—specifically, acetaminophen"

Aside from this, because acetaminophen use is so ubiquitous a lot of people think it's as safe as aspirin, but it's not. It's fine when you stick to the recommended dose but going above the recommend limit can be incredibly dangerous.

[Longtobefree]

Just for the record, aspirin is not all that safe.

OTC pain relief is a gamble.
Do you want pain relief at the cost of your stomach, your liver, or your kidneys?

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

I dunno. What do the experts tell me to do?

[Longtobefree]

The experts say to spend a fortune on prescription drugs.

[Overt]

"but going above the recommend limit can be incredibly dangerous."

And since it is so ubiquitous, people often don't realize they are taking it. Have some Tylenol at dinner and then take some nyquil for bed? You just double dosed.

Where I have seen this most impactful is in colleges where kids are drinking constantly (putting stress on the liver) then going to friends' dorms and taking their meds then going home and taking their meds. And because they are drunk and trying to "power thru" on a weekend, they don't keep good track of what they are taking.

[Jefferson Paul]

If I've drunk even just one beer, I won't take acetaminophen for a day. The combination of alcohol and Tylenol is particularly bad for the liver. If you're drinking and need an OTC reliever, take aspirin.

[Vernon Depner]

Or more alcohol.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Zohran Mamdani, the Democratic nominee for mayor of New York City, said on Monday that he was withdrawing from a town hall on WABC that had been planned for this week, in protest of the decision by the station's parent company to indefinitely suspend Jimmy Kimmel's talk show...

Of all people the official state propagandist is not who should be censored!

[Longtobefree]

In comedy, timing is everything:
First, declare we need women to have more and more babies.
Second, continue to kill babies at an alarming rate.
Third, tell all those women you want to get pregnant that they can't take any pain relievers during pregnancy.
Then sit back with your popcorn and watch.

[Chumby]

There’s a progressive video game about this called Womb Raider. Once you get the magic coathanger, missions will no longer need to be aborted.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Forget Tylenol, there are thousands of first trimester babies bathing in ozempic as we speak

Finally, the little chubs will come out without all that baby fat.

[Dillinger]

is that real? those women are monsters.

[Stuck in California]

Nah, Poe's law.

Implied joke is a chick takes the ozempic, loses weight, is hot again, starts tramping around and getting laid (Because, why not, I'd be a slut, too, if anyone liked me), doesn't realize until her period doesn't come...

[Fist of Etiquette]

Democrats built a cautious campaign...

So cautious as to not interact with journalists and not to actually put out any real plank to be challenged at all, beyond signing on to their opponent's moratorium on taxing tips.

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

It. Worked. For. Basement. Joe.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Yeah, but only during a national level 10 panic and lock down campaign.

But whatever it takes, right?

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

Why do you think the left keeps suing over fraudulent mail in ballots being allowed?

[I, Woodchipper]

Dont forget the record voter turnouts by mail

[A Thinking Mind]

Remember this is the woman who couldn’t avoid disaster while going on The View. She didn’t have the ability to aggressively promote herself.

[BYODB]

Yeah, also the same woman that floated the idea of taxing unrealized capital gains. Retarded doesn't even begin to cover it.

She is what happens when the party decides it can piss on their own supporters and tell them it's raining. Kind of hard to accuse Trump of being a fascist when the Democrat party appointed their candidate with no input from the voters. Seems like projection at a certain point.

What is shocking is how many of their base pulled the lever for her without knowing a single damn thing about her other than 'not Trump' which, also shockingly, didn't work this time around.

[EISTAU Gree-Vance]

“….the same woman that floated the idea of taxing unrealized capital gains.”

This is the enduring idiocy that stood out to me as well. Even if she was just pandering to the resentful bernie bros, and never intended to actually do it, maybe she should have done a cost - benefit analysis of who a policy like this might alienate.

Like anyone with a 401k or home equity, maybe? Lol.

[GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND]

“Journalists” is doing a lot of work here.

[Moonrocks]

Well, yeah. Being cautious is all about avoiding mistakes.

[Fist of Etiquette]

When Bernie Sanders urges her to 'focus on the working class, not just abortion,' she notes it. But she doesn't come up with a memorable economic offer, griping at how Trump got out a viral 'no tax on tips' policy while she tinkered with a more comprehensive one.

I'm being gaslighted from beyond that campaign's grave.

[Fist of Etiquette]

I mean, I believe the Bernie part, I guess.

[GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND]

Yes Liz, just like the rest of us, they hate you and want you dead.

So maybe stop trusting them on issues that don’t involve your faith too.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Liz might be stuck on the retarded golden rule.

Better to treat others like they treat you.

[Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)]

Funny how relevant that is:

https://notthebee.com/article/watch-old-lady-in-a-make-america-kind-again-shirt-savagely-beats-donald-trump-piata

[Chumby]

AWFL behavior.

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

I'm so glad the national nightmare is over. The threat to free speech from kimmels 4 day paid suspension is over. This was the greatest crisis ever. People on tbe right keep trying to claim the Kirk assassination was. Or shooting up an ABC station mid day was. Or covid censorship was. But no. That 4 day paid suspension was the straw that broke the authoritarian back.

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

Remember. The Kirk killing was not political.

Sean Spicer
@seanspicer
ABC media personality Jon Karl says “the murder of Charlie Kirk was not a political act”

https://x.com/seanspicer/status/1969759190638833740

[Mother's Lament]

Was it religious? Because that's not a bridge to far for the Democrats either.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

If only they believed in some deity, they could claim divine intervention.

[Mother's Lament]

They have a deity all right, but it's not a divine one.

[Chumby]

Sarc used to use speech to text for his posts defending team blue. But now that he has their cock in his mouth so much, he has to resort to typing out the narrative supporting takes.

[Chumby]

Kimmel will return to the airwaves where nobody will continue to watch him.*

* His first week should show strong ratings out of curiosity suggesting this could have been part of a False Flag.

[Outlaw Josey Wales]

Heard on another platform. Our old pal Simulation Commander.

The problem with Jimmy Kimmel returning to ABC is he is still Jimmy Kimmel.

[Idaho-Bob]

Kimmel's rating will spike for about a month. The good little leftists will tune in to support their oppressed comedian and then lose interested when they realize only the worst TDS sufferers can watch that shit for any length of time.

[A Thinking Mind]

You’re giving Kimmel too much credit to assume they’ll find him watchable for a whole month.

[Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)]

It will be mandatory!

[Chumby]

Blue Sky will demand members tune in and pull for higher ratings.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Sure, but what Troonsky demands won't mean shit even in the short term. Remember how federal employees were spazzing out about "hold the line" on r/FedNews earlier this year. That lasted all of about a month, and a whole bunch ended up taking the second round of DRP when it was offered. The guy won't even be in office another four years, the odds are just as good a Democrat will be elected in 2028, and now they're out of the system so getting back in is going to be a pain in the ass. Guess they didn't love their jobs as much as they said they did.

[InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)]

I doubt Kimmel will see any ratings bump at all. My best guess is, Iger will run out the clock on Kimmel’s contract with no chance for renewal. They may start the search for a replacement soon.

[Randy Sax]

I don't think a replacement is coming. Late night is dying.

[Chumby]

I believe Kimmel’s contract is up in May. Think it was Hindustan Times that spent ink on the last renewal two plus years ago where Kimmel quipped after signing that he was entering a soft retirement. If he doubles down on his douchebaggery, he might not make it that long. He should have made bank and won’t be out on the street giving handjobs for Colt 45 money like sarcles.

[Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)]

..he was entering a soft retirement.

That’s what his old lady said.

[InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)]

His career’s gone flaccid.

[Idaho-Bob]

won’t be out on the street giving handjobs for Colt 45 money like sarcles.

I laughed so loud at this my office mates are demanding to "hear" the joke. Damn.

[Chumby]

There once was a sarc who drank booze,
In every debate he would lose.
His takes were the worst,
“The Dems did it first!”
Maddow? The news he did choose.

[Outlaw Josey Wales]

Sarc was that sad fellow from Maine
Who reveled in trolling his pain
His rival was tall
and handsome to all
but no copper to poor Sarc's disdain

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

I doubt Kimmel will see any ratings bump at all.

There will be a little one by left-wing copers claiming that "you have to watch Kimmel to own the chuds!" but they'll start finding other shit to do after a month or less.

Remember that David Letterman had a two-year ratings bump based primarily off of people that were pissed about how he got rat-fucked by Leno for the Tonight Show, but after that, Leno beat the brakes off of him the rest of the time they went head-to-head. The cable networks can't even get traction on TDSapalooza this time around like they could in Trump's first term, and Fox News seems to be the only cable news network that's doing better in the ratings now than 20 years ago, when that form of media was all the rage.

"Anything that drags on for too long becomes a drag," and that includes nonstop bitching about Trump and the GOP. Not to mention that the media landscape is based off of streaming on demand now, not waiting for your favorite network shows to come on. AOC seems to be the only prominent Democrat that has a fucking clue how young people consume media these days.

[Vernon Depner]

Old people like scheduled programming because it spares us the ordeal of choosing something to watch out of thousands of choices.

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

This just made me laugh.

https://legalinsurrection.com/2025/09/u-s-bans-iran-diplomats-from-costco-buying-luxury-goods-without-permission/

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Does Costco sell centrifuges?

[Chumby]

Golf clap

[tracerv]

Next to the margarita machines.

[Fist of Etiquette]

A @WeAreSinclair rep tells me that "beginning Tuesday night Sinclair will be preempting 'Jimmy Kimmel Live!' across our ABC affiliate stations and replacing it with news programming.

Sinclair offering up just as many laughs to its audience as provided by the slot's previous occupant.

[Fist of Etiquette]

To be fair, I don't know if the show was funny or not. The clips I saw were decidedly not but I, like the vast majority of sentient beings on the planet, never actually saw an episode.

[InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)]

Given the ratings and their precipitous decline, it’s probably not funny.

[Jefferson Paul]

I remember watching it when it first started in 2003 or so, as JKL wasn't stale like Leno and Letterman at the time. Tough Crowd with Colin Quinn at something like 10:30PM, then JKL at 11:00PM. I got bored of JKL within a year. Tough Crowd, however, was great, and I wished it continued longer than its short stint. Nick DiPaolo and Patrice O'Neal going at each other was worth it any time they were on.

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

Where is the evidence those boats were drig boats?

Oh.

https://nypost.com/2025/09/22/world-news/dominican-republic-says-it-seized-377-packages-of-cocaine-on-speedboat-destroyed-by-us-navy/?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=social

[Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)]

Hey, those guys are wearing masks!

[Quicktown Brix]

Should we be comforted that an extra-judicial murder-allowing policy to block fentanyl OD's in the US blows up at least 4 boats, kills at least 17 people and we get confirmation that one of those boats was loaded with cocaine bound for the DR?

[Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)]

“Bound for the DR”
Those guys can’t afford cocaine.

[Zeb]

THe tourists can.

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

It was a joint operation with DR.

https://www.newsweek.com/first-us-dominican-joint-anti-drug-mission-navy-cocaine-2133480

[Chumby]

Sarc says that crossed the line…that he wanted to snort like in his restaurant days.

[damikesc]

Not overly concerned. Obama showed the President can murder US citizens. The time to complain was then.

The milk has already been spilled.

[Quicktown Brix]

Many of us did complain then. And before that we complained when the CIA under GWB was involved in the killing of an American missionary and her baby in a purported drug plane. The time to complain continues.

[Dillinger]

Ron Brown would be on line 2 but for the bullet and plane crash

[Mother's Lament]

These guys aren't citizens. They are drug runners for foreign cartels. Incidentally some of the most brutal psychopaths to have ever existed.

[Chumby]

QB would love having TdA cartel traffickers as neighbors to him and his family. I’m sure.

[Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)]

You get used to it.

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

They've always existed, why bother.

[Quicktown Brix]

Yep, the same target as the mission that took out the US citizens in Peru.

[Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment]

But TRUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quicktown Brix

[Quicktown Brix]

Hi Sevo.

[Incunabulum]

'Bound for the DR'? Are you serious? Are you serious?

Or do you just not know geography? In 2025? With Google Maps?

[Quicktown Brix]

From Jesse's link:

They said the Dominican’s Republic Navy worked in conjunction with US authorities to locate the speedboat which was allegedly trying to dock in the Dominican Republic and use the nation as a “bridge” to transport cocaine to the United States.

So, yes, I'm serious.

[VinniUSMC]

If you're flying to Japan from Michigan with a layover in California, are you "bound for" California?

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Hey, who among us hasn't gone out in international waters with a high speed boat to catch a few fishies?

[Vernon Depner]

You could lose your guns overboard doing that.

[Jerry B.]

Just some guys taking their pet cocaine for a little boat ride.

[mad.casual]

It's interesting that the same people who marvel at the Ukraine's ability to develop fiber-optic combat drones from agricultural monitoring equipment and cheer for exploits that use Russian civilian infrastructure to strike military targets away from the front have an almost Andy Griffith-esque impression of monitoring policing international and territorial waters.

[Rick James]

Point of order, it was Russia that developed those and used them on Ukraine. There's a pretty good mini-doc on youtube of a journalist in Ukraine, embedded with the Ukraine army discussing with the soldiers how the Russian Prince Vandal drones started showing up and how it changed everything.

[Rick James]

Yeah, I began to wonder if I had it backwards... it was the Russians.

[Sometimes a Great Notion]

Think I'm most disappointed by the Trump Derangement Syndrome libertarians

"And you're all racist", he continued.

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

Why do dem politicians have such fucked up families?

https://nypost.com/2025/09/21/us-news/oregon-sen-ron-wydens-kids-drove-assistant-to-suicide-with-sexually-explicit-behavior-homophobic-slurs-lawsuit/

[Marshal]

They emulate Hillary Clinton?

[Mother's Lament]

Texas leftist Marynka Zarina Marquez @MarynkaZM has been arrested for allegedly trying to set a Christian church on fire in El Paso before a Charlie Kirk memorial event.

Imagine what the (D)s would do if someone set a mosque on fire for an equally inane reason?
The Chemjeff crowd isn't hiding their violence anymore.

Case in point, Keith Olbermann just threatened to assassinate Scott Jennings.

No, seriously. Check out the link.

They're peeling off the mask. If there is a civil war in America it will be initiated by Democrats committing a bloodbath against the normies, and from their rhetoric that doesn't sound to far off.

They hate you because you're you.

[Chumby]

Reason’s Matt Welch threw his hat into the ring on this issue calling for a “red wedding” against conservative journalists.

[Idaho-Bob]

Always carry, and do not hesitate when you are in danger. The little fuckers like to throw liquids in the faces of conservatives. A hurled unknown chemical is a deadly threat. Respond accordingly.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Be fair. They hate you because you defy their ideological religion and resist their rule.

[GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND]

Walkbywhistlingpretendingnottoseeanythingmeme.jpg

— Cato

[Mother's Lament]

Walkbysecretlycheeringandmakingexcuses.jpg

— Cato

[Chumby]

OJwasbehindthehousechippinggolfballs.jpg

- Kato

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

#Youarewhatyoudo.Amanisdefinedbyhisactions,nothismemory.

- Kuato

[InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)]

Saw that last night. The Uberdouche went a few steps too far and probably deserves a serious FBI investigation into him. He’s been trending toward the line for years.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

The douchebag has burned so many bridges in the last 20 years and has gone so far off the deep end that even MSNBC won't bring him on, and this is a network that has smoothbrained retards like Elie Mystal treated as wise commentators.

I'm honestly curious how he can afford that suite overlooking Central Park, given that he hasn't had steady employment in probably a decade. He must be getting royalty checks from ESPN or living off of old stock dividends plus Social Security.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Why the fuck would this dumb bitch drive way the fuck from Denton to El Paso to set a church on fire? Are there not any churches in Fort Worth doing the same thing that were closer or something?

[damikesc]

I am impressed with how well Reason has covered the issue of political violence rising from the left.

Oh, wait --- they have not.

At all.

No biggie there, it seems.

Kimmel uber alles, amirite?

Even though you lot aren't journalists, just like journalists, people do not hate you enough. They think they do...but they do not.

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

They covered for the BLM riots by screaming unmarked vans.

[Fist of Etiquette]

I've spent half of my adult life living in one foreign country or another and I don't think I've ever felt so estranged from the surrounding culture as I am from the aesthetics and sensibilities of this movement.

Thanks for weighing in, buddy.

[damikesc]

I liked the clown referencing Greece which has a metric shitton of Greek Orthodox churches. Per capita, more churches than the US has.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

'One is that we need to sort out whether autism rates have actually increased a lot because autism is on the rise or because we have gotten more expansive about what we consider autism to be.'

Or because snowflakes and victim culture ideologues want more autism. See Munchausen by proxy.

[Longtobefree]

Follow the money.
Remember how "COVID" deaths spiked just after the feds promised extra bucks for each one?

[damikesc]

Can we rename Munchausen by Proxy to "Karen Syndrome"?

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

Jesse Walker is doing a lot of excuse making for pushing the left wing narrative, one born of ignorance and refusal to understand the facts. Carr never sent a memo or letter to ABC. But walker and the libertarians here jumped on the narrative without thought or action. That is the problem with low info libertarians in media. They are useful tools to the left. Nothing more. They defended covid censorship until AFTER the NYT had to admit to it. They defend antifa as an idea and not a group. They constantly fall for the lefts baseless narratives.

[Chumby]

Not sure I’d say they fall for it as much as they are part of the apparatus pushing it.

[GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND]

Facts changed!

[Quicktown Brix]

Carr never sent a memo or letter to ABC.

What is the relevance of a memo or letter? You're trying to rationalize an arbitrary threshold to fool yourself that there's a difference between Biden's threats on free speech which you opposed from Trump's which you support.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

What is the relevance of a memo or letter?

The claim is that Carr was the one who threatened Disney to take Kimmel off the air, when the action was actually initiated by the affiliates of Nexstar, which is owned by Disney via Sinclair. Most of those affiliates are in flyover states and Kimmel basically just gave them the excuse they needed to take his low-rated, money-losing show off the air.

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

They have the D.C. market which is hilarious.

[Quicktown Brix]

Right. And it's very likely that both of those were part of the reason for ABC's decision to yank Kimmel.

But it still doesn't explain the relevance of it being in writing vs. spoken.

And it's irrelevant to me if the decision had anything to do with Carr's threat. That threat was a free speech infringement just like Biden's with Twitter etc.

[Uilleam]

These things are not the same White Mike. Twitter, et al, were actively, heavily influenced (read threatened) by the Fed for years. That was not the Trump admin you disingenuous putz.

[Jefferson Paul]

I, and most here I'd say, am against the FCC making any kind of comment about content, as a comment from a government regulatory body has an implied threat, even if not intended. But I think the fact that ABC is putting Kimmel back on the air is good evidence that the FCC wasn't a substantial reason for the initial Kimmel ouster. If it were, ABC wouldn't have done the 180.

I'd hope most commenters here could at least agree that the FCC should be ended altogether.

[Michael Ejercito]

Carr had Supreme Court precedent on his side.

[Quicktown Brix]

What precedent are you referring to?

[GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND]

I don’t remember Jesse supporting Carr’s statement. Pointing out that it wasn’t the reason for the suspension doesn’t mean he supports it sarc.

[Quicktown Brix]

Then what is the point of constantly pointing out there was no memo?

[damikesc]

Because constantly claiming that the FCC did it is dishonest.

Isn't accuracy a goal in and of itself?

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

Not if you prefer narratives to truth.

[Quicktown Brix]

Because constantly claiming that the FCC did it is dishonest.

For any of us to claim to know a singular cause is dishonest. The fact is that Carr did make the threat. Whether the threat was effective or not is a secondary concern.

[Incunabulum]

Because an off-hand remark mere hours before the event is not evidence that the remarks had anything to do with something that was obviously already in progress due to events several days earlier.

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

I never said I agreed with it. I said it didnt matter, affiliates took action prior. Ive also said it is long held precedent.

Mike has never been known for honesty.

[Quicktown Brix]

You hold me to standards much higher than those you hold for yourself.

OK. I will concede that you don't agree with it, if you say so, but to say the the feds threatening a company based on their speech is something that doesn't matter is every bit as bad.

[Zeb]

I agree Carr should have kept his mouth shut, it isn't appropriate for someone in his position to grandstand like that, and only gives the left an alternative narrative. But as far as I can gather, it had little to do with Kimmel being pulled, particularly now when they have apparently reinstated the show.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

'Perhaps we will soon return to our time-honored tradition of ignoring the public health authorities and doing whatever the damn hell we please.'

Then why the fuck even have government experts?

[GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND]

I’m going to need moar testing before I land on any principles.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

'Just one issue: Kimmel was reinstated. So, does that mean Mamdani no longer has an excuse?'

No, Mamdani is still a Marxist asshole.

[Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)]

And he is going to win.

[Chumby]

And it will be glorious. I hope he can implement his entire agenda.

[Sometimes a Great Notion]

who either don't know how the FCC works or don't care because they want liberal media elites to like them.

How did Lady Bird Johnson make her millions? And how did the liberal elite take control of broadcasting? How did the internet break that control? Why did Obama want his FCC to take control of the internet?

Repeal the FCC

[Jefferson Paul]

Repeal the FCC

Amen

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

'"'We have spent the last days having thoughtful conversations with Jimmy, and after those conversations, we reached the decision to return the show on Tuesday,' Disney said in a statement." (Sure they have.)'

More like Disney freaked out after thoughtful conversations with their streaming subscription managers.

[A Thinking Mind]

Or maybe they decided it’s not worth having their affiliate offices shot up like what happened in Sacramento.

[GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND]

'"'We have spent the last days having thoughtful conversations with security regarding the threats of terrorism and assassinations from leftists and after those conversations, we reached the decision to return the show on Tuesday,' Disney said in a statement."

[Jefferson Paul]

I'm surprised the left hasn't tried to claim it was MAGA or Groypers that shot up the affiliate station.

[EISTAU Gree-Vance]

Saving that for tonights monologue.

[Longtobefree]

Really?
"thoughtful conversation" and "Jimmy Kimmel" in the same sentence?

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Doubtful. Paramount hasn't done shit despite the same shitlibs going on a "cancel my subscription" jag after they decided to not bring Colbert back.

This is likely almost entirely due to the Redddit/Tumblr employee claque at Disney going ham. But it's notable that the affiliates themselves, via Sinclair, are telling Iger that there's no point in having him back on and so they aren't going to do it unless he apologizes and gives a donation to Turning Point (which, to be noted, is a standard shitlib culture war tactic itself).

The guy is a ratings black hole with a dying viewer demographic just like every other late night host. They aren't going to do much worse putting on syndicated 80s and 90s reruns, or one of the "reality" courtroom shows.

[InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)]

But it's notable that the affiliates themselves, via Sinclair, are telling Iger that there's no point in having him back on and so they aren't going to do it unless he apologizes and gives a donation to Turning Point (which, to be noted, is a standard shitlib culture war tactic itself).

Make them play by and adhere to their own rules. Use the Rules for Radicals against the radicals.

[Sometimes a Great Notion]

Jeff Sessions vs RFK Jr , the great Tylenol debate of our times live at Trump Resort and Casinos. No doctors, no scientific literature, just two titans of bullshit duking it out.

[Wizzle Bizzle]

This is the first comment to come within 100 miles of calling out Trump for this insane bullshit. What a fucking idiotic freak. He just promised he had the cure for autism and claimed that the culprit was Tylenol. Not just acetaminophen, but a name brand product. This is like blaming Miller Lite for rising cancer rates when you think you've found a link between cancer and alcohol. J&J can and should sue his stupid ass to oblivion.

Where's all that meaty evidence "proving" the link? They didn't present it because it doesn't exist. Trump picked a batshit crazy person to head HHS and this is the kind of crap that comes out as a result. And if you still need convincing that RFK is crazy, please explain how a guy who has been blaming vaccines for autism (without proof) for decades can suddenly pivot to blame acetaminophen (also without proof) and doesn't acknowledge that proves he was casually lying about vaccines for all those years.

There is a mentally unstable man in the white house. His brain does function normally at times, which is an improvement over Biden, but this guy is not your champion. You need to own that. What happened yesterday was not okay and not libertarian or conservative on any level.

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

Here is the evidence he is backing it off of.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/09/fact-evidence-suggests-link-between-acetaminophen-autism/

Just find your reaction strange as it was one basically looking into links for autism. There hasn't been any actual regulatory acts from this initial action. Merely funding studies.

This was always going to be the case with RFK. But youre already acting loke they've banned everything instead of just doing the research.

Very similar to the push back and outrage we saw when many of us pointed out the issues with covid science. Take a breath. Realize your base assumptions are largely a byproduct of decades of CDC guidance. We know they have errors.

Hell the immediate outrage here is similar for calling out trans studies by wpath. Take a breath lol.

[Chumby]

If we cam just prevent a few babies turning into jeffsarcs, it will be worth it.

[Wizzle Bizzle]

Um, I'm a anonymous citizen typing in a comments section. DJT is the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, and he just claimed, unequivocally, that Tylenol causes autism. The makes him a) crazy and b) culpable for defamation.

The whole problem here is they didn't "just do research." They came out and made a false claim, which Trump teased at dead man's memorial. Yuck on yuck.

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

And instead of listening to the entire event or looking at the evidence they are citing you jumped to Trump said to inject yourself with bleach. Think you know trump isnt always articulate. But it doesn't mean the total of the argument is baseless.

Even though I disagree with RFK on a lot of his conclusions, be has and cites the studies he bases his belief off.

Take 5 minutes and learn what the argument is instead of being reactive.

[Wizzle Bizzle]

I did listen to the entire event, which is what got me so riled up. This fucknut can't stay on target for 30 seconds, yet he thought it was a good idea to come out and speak at a press conference about medical issues that go way beyond his understanding. Which is how he ended up making claims about "Tylenol" that go well past what the research shows. Because he is who he is. You're fine with that, I'm not. I'm pretty sure J&J's lawyers won't be either.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

This is really the biggest issue. Trump's not the guy to be discussing complex medical studies with an extremely hostile press. He tried doing that during COVID and it bit him in the ass. Just let RFK and the doctors that did the studies come on and explain the parameters and risks.

The biggest issue here is that women have been taking Tylenol or the generic version for decades before autism became a "my child has a disability, please lovebomb me" status symbol for upper-middle class women in the late 90s-early 00s. I think it's more along the lines that a lot of kids have been misdiagnosed, and then they carry that stigma with them the rest of their lives to use as a crutch for maladaptive behaviors.

My cousin's wife has three kids who are all supposedly autistic to a certain degree, but seeing how she parents, it's a lot more likely that she's just a shitty mother who exacerbated their issues by putting them on a screen rather than interact with them, and her refusal to establish any sort of bonding or loving connections with them as babies, which will legitimately stunt their development.

[Wizzle Bizzle]

Agreed and agreed. We have it in the family as well and there is definitely a "let the screen babysit the toddler" connection in both cases. That doesn't mean Trump should go out and have a press conference claiming he's discovered the link, but alas.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

You know what the funniest part will be? A bunch of terminally online lefties will probably guzzle a bunch of Tylenol out of spite and end up fucking up their livers.

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

You keep making these assertions that are baseless.

Ive provided you the evidence they used to source the claims. They literally cite multiple studies from research.

You can disagree with them, fine. Provide the counter research if you want. I dont care.

But youre argument is one from emotion asserting things not true.

Assertion 1, they fabricated the link.

They cite multiple studies from major research institutions.

Assertion 2, they said acetaminophen causes autism, they said is associated based on the research I linked.

Instead of arguing the research you've started screaming trump cultist for pointing this out.

You can disagree with it. Go point out the errors in the studies. I dont care. I dont and haven't used Tylenol for over a decade. Wife is allergic and I have never seen a benefit. But you seem really emotionally involved in the argument.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

So what do you want? Government that provides medical advice you think worthy, or less government?

[Wizzle Bizzle]

As one of the least Team D / Team R commenters here, I want less government. That doesn't excuse the President for fabricating the missing link for autism. Nor does it excuse the alleged libertarians for not calling him out on it.

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

Again. He didn't do that. Read the damn link and studies lol. He didnt fabricate anything. This is getting hilarious.

I dont agree with this link, but claiming fabrication is peak trust the prior experts.

The fact is Americans rely on drugs far too much. Taking as many drugs as Americans do is not healthy. Ive personally experienced this with medications doctors demanded I take from ant acids, to atatins, to anti arthritis meds for a degenerative knee.

I took them from blind trust. Finally started looking into long term issues with the drugs. Cold stopped them and switched diet and exercise instead a decade ago. The latter far more effective.

I dont know why youre obsessed with this narratice. Does it come from the take a Bayer every day for a healthy heart? That's an ad campaign. Yes studies do show some benefit, but ever looked into long term use issues?

Their argument and the basis for it is in the link above, you seem to be outright claiming that basis doesn't exist.

[Mother's Lament]

"Um, I'm a anonymous citizen typing in a comments section."

Um, you're one of our resident Democratic Party apologists sockpuppeting. Probably Sarc.

[Wizzle Bizzle]

You are a fucking retard. I will place my libertarian-conservative credentials against yours any day. Let me guess, you suddenly back the super conservative policies of tariffs and cracking down on hate speech. Try having consistent principles instead of a raging boner for a single politician.

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

Lol. Thinking ML is right now.

[Mother's Lament]

Lol, what the fuck. Say something nasty and true about George Soros, Obama and Angelo Carusone, and I might believe you, Sarc/Shrike.

[Wizzle Bizzle]

You are really out of your lane. Emperor Obama is my most despised president in modern history, which I make clear weekly. Carter was a feckless disaster, Clinton was a rapist sack of pig shit, W destroyed conservatism, Trump is good on some/most policy and terrible in every other way, and Biden & Co committed treason. The two I skipped are the only two I liked or respected. Feel free to dig up any of my comments that suggest otherwise. Or don't, I don't really care. More fun to live in Fantasyland and make imaginary enemies.

[Mother's Lament]

I didn't ask about all the presidents. I asked about three specific people. Two of which are your possible paymasters.
Don't miss out on them. Go ahead and criticize the boss.

[Wizzle Bizzle]

You are actually crazy. Get help.

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

Crazy is repeating the same false assertions over and over then screaming trump cultist when the falsity is pointed out.

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

Maybe a Tylenol addiction if not a sock.

[Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)]

Great j and j sues the white house. Then in retaliation the feds lift the drug liability protection for all of big pharma.
Your terms arebacceptable

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

'And, remember, this is really a covert way of saying middle-America believers are low-brow compared with the high-brow, truly enlightened big-city dwellers who don't need to rely on Big Man in Sky.'

Covert?

[JFree]

Her entire comment is elitist performative bullshit that is essentially sociopathic and manipulative.

That 'low-brow' form of religion has been characteristic of American religion ever since at least the circuit rider and camp revival meetings of the early frontier days. Lampooned by Mark Twain in Huck Finn - much much later by HL Mencken during the Scopes trial - observed by Laura Ingalls Wilder in one of her Little Prairie books.

This particular expression of religion remains American to its bones. The guy who points that out on Twitter starts off his comment with I’ve spent half of my adult life living in one foreign country or another and I don’t think I’ve ever felt so estranged from the surrounding culture as I am from the aesthetics and sensibilities of this movement. Not even a criticism That IS a comment. An expression of culture shock and alienation. NOT a criticism of the thing itself.

For ANYONE who has ever experienced culture shock - this is why you do not comment much about that to 'regular' people. It's an alien experience that is near-impossible to express.

Wolfe's comment shows complete ignorance, an inability to listen, thin-skinned performative 'offense', and the compulsion to instead strawman a response that is snarky but not witty and mostly seems intended to pretend that she is a NYC-based 'whisperer' to the low-brow and religious. I hope people who attend her cocktail parties are as impressed as you.

I am descended from one of those very early frontier circuit riders (Methodist in the 1780's in Kentucky and later Indiana). I spent nearly half my life living overseas - experiencing that same culture shock with American relatives who are very much part of that 'low-brow' religious expression. You can strawman that however you want.

[Mother's Lament]

"experiencing that same culture shock with American relatives who are very much part of that 'low-brow' religious expression. You can strawman that however you want."

No. Zero surprises there, honestly.

[Fu Manchu]

Well, RFK solved autism just like that. All we needed was to put a retard with brain worms in charge.

[Longtobefree]

Ever notice how the more John Fetterman recovers from brain damage, the more conservative he sounds?

[tracerv]

Definitely has surprised me.

[Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)]

Tell us how Tylenol is 100% safe and effective with no downsides.

[Wizzle Bizzle]

Tell me how it was definitively proven to cause autism, as Trump just claimed.

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

Nobody ever made that claim. Dont be a sarc. Read the entirety of their claims. Not a sound byte. This is like inject them with bleach bullshit.

[Wizzle Bizzle]

Per Fox News:

*Speaking from the White House on Monday, the president said that Tylenol taken during pregnancy "can be associated with a very increased risk of autism."*

How else would you like his lie spelled out to you. Don't be a Hannity. Read the entirety of Trump's own words. He is a crazy person.

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

It literally is fucking associated with autism based on the multiple studies from Harvard and John's Hopkins in the link above.

He didnt say it is proven to cause autism.

What the fuck? This is the hill you've chosen to go full sarc on?

Your original statement is not the same as the one you just quoted.

Take a fucking breath.

[Wizzle Bizzle]

Okay, Jesse. Trump is a very stable genius. Jesse is not a Trump apologist. Claiming that Tylenol "can be associated with a very increased risk of autism" isn't the same as claiming Tylenol causes autism. This is one of the circular arguments you will reamplify until you have convinced yourself you are totes being consistent in your mistrust of government.

You and I have more overlapping agreement that disagreement on basic policies. Where we part is have zero faith in the Republican party and even less in Trump. But sure, being a party-hating conservatarian makes me Sarc. Okay.

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

Full sarc achieved. Good work i guess. Lol. Sorry you cant be bothered with facts in a link graciously provided to you. One click is all it takes to show your idiocy here and you refuse.

This is always the end result of the ignorant here, crying trump cultist after your retarded first impression is quickly disproven. Even using the standard leftist insults lol.

Even struggling with word definitions like fabricated above lol.

Go join stg and sarc. Youre their level now lol.

Sorry your first impressions are wrong and this outraged you. Always brings the idiocy out of people.

Note you haven't made one actual claim based on facts here.

[Wizzle Bizzle]

See above. Take a breath. Let it sink in. You are not an objective observer where Trump is involved.

[Mother's Lament]

Fuck off, Sarc/Shrike.

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

Do you think objective means blindly pushing every false Trump narrative?

Every assertion you've made in this thread is false. Lol.

[Quicktown Brix]

Welcome to the outcasts, WB.

[Wizzle Bizzle]

Appreciate it. I think I'll muddle through without the approval of ML and BadJesse.

[VinniUSMC]

Tell me how it was definitively proven to cause autism, as Trump just claimed. -WB

the president said that Tylenol taken during pregnancy "can be associated with a very increased risk of autism." -also WB

So, you're not a stupid TDS-asshole, but you can't tell the difference between these 2 statements? Jesse isn't the problem here.

[Chumby]

PWNED!

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

Please prove how any of your assertions this morning are true WB? Youre flailing lol.

You've been provided the evidence they are not true. But you continue to dig in.

Such weird behavior. Seek help on your acetaminophen addiction.

[Dillinger]

>>"can be associated with a very increased risk of autism."

if this means "definitely proven to cause autism" to you, send your high school diploma back

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

I sometimes wonder if people here understand the words they choose. It is baffling.

[Dillinger]

I really should have been an editor

[damikesc]

Trump did not claim that.

Take up your beefs with the medical studies that have stated there is a possible link.

Trump is not banning tylenol.

[Fu Manchu]

LOL you really think I said that? You need to repeat Kindergarten

[Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment]

Why? You want company?

[Chumby]

He wants the company of kindergartners.

[JFree]

Tell us how your comment comports with the actual Tylenol label - If pregnant or breast-feeding, ask a health professional before use. Keep out of reach of children. Which is precisely the same as the label on the generic acetominophen bottle I have.

Presumably Dr Trump and Dr Kennedy and Dr Don'tBeMe all advise - Close your eyes and take pain like a Manly Man. You don't need those sissy little pills.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Speaking of brain worms...

[Mother's Lament]

He is a Kennedy and a lifelong Democrat, but seriously, too much acetaminophen is toxic to everyone. How much is a "safe" dose for someone the size of your hand?

[Chumby]

Shrike don’t give kids Tylenol. He gives them a bottle of lotion and tells them to put it on their skin again.

[Quo Usque Tandem]

Rough on the liver; I've seen patients admitted to ICU and immediately be placed emergently on a liver transplant list for taking too much Tylenol [and not as a suicide attempt, which also happens].

[InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)]

One also shouldn’t take acetaminophen when consuming alcohol, especially large quantities like Sarc does.

[Fu Manchu]

Yes obviously you can OD on it, probably easier than almost all other medications. There's also studies showing *links* to autism which just means correlation. But there's no evidence it *causes* autism - he's just making shit up.

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

Which is what they fucking linked in their posts you retarded fuck. Studies from Harvard and johns Hopkins.

But you retards refuse to go past whatever Maddow clips for a sound byte.

[Mother's Lament]

He's trolling. It's that simple.

[Sometimes a Great Notion]

Does acetaminophen pass through the fetal membranes from mother to child - I know some chemicals don't?

[Mother's Lament]

Not a clue, so I asked Chat GPT:

Most drugs and many chemicals can cross the placenta (the main “fetal membrane” interface) to some degree. Transfer depends on size, charge, fat-solubility, and protein binding.

Drugs that readily cross

• Alcohol (ethanol) – freely crosses; fetal blood alcohol levels mirror the mother’s.
• Nicotine – easily crosses, constricts fetal blood vessels, affects growth.
• Cocaine, opioids (e.g., morphine, heroin, methadone), amphetamines, cannabis – all cross and can affect the fetus.
• Most anesthetics and sedatives (barbiturates, benzodiazepines, inhaled anesthetics) – cross rapidly because they are small and lipid-soluble.
• Many antibiotics – examples include tetracyclines (can affect fetal bone/teeth), sulfonamides, chloramphenicol, and fluoroquinolones.
• Antiepileptics – phenytoin, valproate, carbamazepine, etc. cross and can cause fetal effects.
• Anticoagulants – warfarin crosses (teratogenic), but heparin does not (too large a molecule).
• NSAIDs (ibuprofen, indomethacin, high-dose aspirin) – cross and can affect the ductus arteriosus late in pregnancy.
• Thyroid medications – propylthiouracil and methimazole cross.

Drugs that do not (or barely) cross

• Heparin (including low molecular weight heparins) – too large and highly charged.
• Insulin – peptide hormone; does not cross in significant amounts.
• Large protein drugs (e.g., most monoclonal antibodies, especially early in pregnancy before placental transport systems mature) – limited transfer.

General rules of thumb

• Small, non-ionized, lipid-soluble drugs cross easily.
• Large, polar, or highly protein-bound drugs cross poorly.
• Placental permeability increases as pregnancy advances, so fetal exposure can rise over time.

Note: This is general information and not medical advice. Specific decisions should be made with a healthcare professional.

[InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)]

As NSAIDs can cross, I would suspect that acetaminophen could cross if it’s similar in size.

[Roberta]

It's a small molecule, so without knowing further I'd strongly suspect yes.

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

Another retard whose entire basis of science is trust the experts of government. Dont look into things. How many covid vaxxes did you get lol.

[InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)]

Kung Fu Shrike took 8 as he thought that would be good luck.

[Fu Manchu]

Hi my name is Jesse. I don't trust authorities. That's why I believe everything Trump and RFK say.

[JesseAz (RIP CK)]

Did this make sense in your simpletons brain? The authorities cited by them are literally Harvard, johns Hopkins, and others.

Lol.

I get it. The retarded here rush to push their first impressions of a topic out. Then double down on being retarded when its pointed out.

Fucking hilarious.

[Rick James]

I long for the great days of 2019-2024 when the adults were in charge.

[Sometimes a Great Notion]

[Quo Usque Tandem]

"I’ve spent half of my adult life living in one foreign country or another and I don’t think I’ve ever felt so estranged from the surrounding culture as I am from the aesthetics and sensibilities of this movement. Not even a criticism, I just feel more at home in Greece than in these images."

Go check out the Episcopal Church; should be right up your ally. Don't get all that much excited about God stuff, but there is no end to the progressive causes and politics they glom onto. I expect Jesus Himself will be cancelled any day now due to his male privilege or something.

[Eeyore]

I've been waiting for my local Episcopal Church to add a Marijuana smoking section. When I was younger they had a smoking section.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Or United Church of Christ, which is basically just a left-wing PAC with pews and an altar.

[Zeb]

Can confirm. I grew up in a UCC church. My grandfather was the minister when I was very young. They used to actually believe in God and stuff, but now it just seems like a left-wing social club.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

My wife's side of the family are mostly UCC. Her grandpa was also a minister and was even born overseas to UCC missionaries, so he was a lot more tuned in to the scriptures as the basis for his politics. For the rest, when they even bother to attend it's mostly for social purposes. None of them have cracked a Bible open in years, if not decades, and probably couldn't even recite John 3:16 or Genesis 1:1 at this point.

You go to most UCC chapels, and they're just spiritually dead with tiny congregations, the way Christ described such people as salt that's lost its savor. The exceptions might be the black UCC branches, but again, those are mostly political centers using the church as a front for worldly activities, not something they actually believe in. But the character is different because those attendees are more community-oriented and interact with each other a lot more outside of church. The Obamas are UCC members, and that's how Barack was able to build his power base.

It also makes one see why younger people joining up with churches seem to be migrating to Catholicism, because the ceremonial aspects of the religion and the engagement required to be a part of it provides quite a bit more meaning for them than the withering Protestant branches.

[Jefferson Paul]

Is the United Church of Christ the same as Unitarian Universalist or even regular Unitarian?

[InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)]

No. Its roots are Calvinist in nature, stemming from New England Congregationalist churches. Effectively the end result of combining Puritanism with modernity and socialism.

[Jefferson Paul]

So a Puritan-istic enforcement of woke ideological rigidity? That sounds horrible.

[Jeff C.]

I'm happy for Erika Kirk that she has found something to take comfort in during this period of unimaginable sorrow, and I would not ever want to take that away from her. But I feel a little estranged, too, and have for a while now when I'm asked to accept that active participation in Christianity is presented as a per se, desirable trait. This is, I should say, different than asserting that FOLLOWING many of the common sense tenets is evidence that someone has lived as a "good" person. Not to be flip, but if you reject the premise that God and Jesus are keeping score of these things (which I do because I don't believe in an arrogant, score-keeping egoist deity), I can never process why going to church service on Sunday morning is any more righteous, intrinsically, than watching, say, "Fantasy Football Live."

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

LOL--"I don't want to take this away from Erika Kirk, now let me explain why it's bad that Christians are openly expressing their beliefs without going through a struggle session over it."

Just say, "I don't like it when Christians are behaving like Christians." That would at least be honest without all this handwaving about your own neuroses.

[mad.casual]

If there were a way to convince retarded sociopaths that they don't have to announce publicly that they're retarded sociopaths then they probably wouldn't be retarded sociopaths would they?

[Dillinger]

they'd at least stay local and only bother those people ... like the 70s

[But SkyNet is a Private Company]

Point well taken

[Rick James]

But I feel a little estranged, too, and have for a while now when I'm asked to accept that active participation in Christianity is presented as a per se, desirable trait. This is, I should say, different than asserting that FOLLOWING many of the common sense tenets is evidence that someone has lived as a "good" person.

Look, I don't know anything about you personally, but the entire Western Secular Liberal tradition is entirely based on Christianity.

Relevant transcript:

[T]his has been a tremendous trick that the European and American civilizations in the 20th century pulled off so the United Nations...the idea of human rights which is fundamental to the United Nations Charter ... this is this is a purely Christian way of framing things but it's passed off as being Universal . Now I think that that the West was able to pull this trick off because it was so hegemonic it was so powerful culturally as well as economically and militarily but as that fades so it's becoming evident that Notions like say the secular are not at all Universal

I have to give fellow atheist Richard Dawkins his due-- he now describes himself as a "Cultural Christian" because he suddenly realized that if we're all just pre-determined automatons in the grand clockwork of the universe, there is no 'morality' there is no 'good' there is no 'evil' there is just the muscle and synapse reactions to the inputs placed into our bags of chemicals and neurons that produce a reaction.

[Mother's Lament]

You hear the reddit-tier atheists always trying to ascribe it to Renaissance thinking or the European enlightenment or some such thing, as if they just popped up ex nihlo and are not part of a tradition that reached 1400 years back. They are poorly educated and don't understand the scaffolding the enlightenment and renaissance ideas were built on.

The thing is that Western thought is weird. It's not natural. And it's not natural because Christianity is not a natural philosophy. It pushes us away from our instincts and our natural inclinations which are tooth and claw. Buddhism had a similar effect on the East, but its fatalism led to more stagnation than in Western Christianity.

[Rick James]

Buddhism had a similar effect on the East, but its fatalism led to more stagnation than in Western Christianity.

We'll see...

[damikesc]

Jeff --- without Judeo-Christian values, there is precisely zero justification for a belief in human equality.

There just is not.

We've tried it your way for a few decades now and culture is a shithole.

[Mother's Lament]

"which I do because I don't believe in an arrogant, score-keeping egoist deity"

Neither does Christianity (or Judaism or Islam) for that matter. That's a smear created by Youtube anti-theists who barely have a Sunday School level understanding of basic theology.

[mad.casual]

It takes a special sort of smug cluelessness to blame this longstanding, frequently stated position on "Trump Derangement Syndrome."

It takes a special kind of retarded cluelessness to say "Muh privut korporashunz!", "Mostly peaceful protests", and "Alex Jones who?" for 8+ yrs. and then pretend like everyone *else* is clueless and crazy.

Get your shit together asshat.

[Dillinger]

this link is worth every second. ^^

[Ajsloss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIAfCupuZ3w

[Eeyore]

Mixing acetaminophen (Tylenol) and alcohol destroys the liver. Good old NAPQI.

[InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)]

Don’t tell Sarc.

[Eeyore]

Even more fun is alcohol and cocaine. It turns into an entirely different drug in the liver. Cocaethylene.

[InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)]

So basically, Sarc’s liver is totally cooked.

[Mother's Lament]

I think it's got superpowers. He still alive. I know I wouldn't be.

[Chumby]

He was given the option of (a) bionic liver or (b) self awareness. It is apparent which one he chose.

[Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment]

Newsom thinks he directs and decides uniform for national agents:
"Gov. Newsom signs bill banning most law enforcement officers from wearing masks during operations"
[...]
"Bill Essayli, acting U.S. attorney for Southern California, said on the social platform X that the state does not have jurisdiction over the federal government and he has told agencies the mask ban has no effect on their operations. "Our agents will continue to protect their identities," he said..."
https://abc7news.com/post/ice-immigration-california-gov-gavin-newsom-signs-law-banning-most-enforcement-officers-wearing-masks-during-operations/17855875/

But Newsom says, 'we're SPECIAL!'

[Michael Ejercito]

The moment a police officer attempts to arrest an ICE agent for wearing a mask on the job, or a grand jury indicts an ICE agent for wearing a mask on the job, Trump should declare martial law and suspend civil authority.

Firing on Fort Sumter did not work out too well for South Carolina.

[damikesc]

He should also kick ALL California Congresspeople out until the rebellion is dealt with. Then place HARSH terms on their reinstatement to the USA.

And, of course, no electoral votes and nothing above delegate status Congressionally for 20 years.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

I’ve spent half of my adult life living in one foreign country or another and I don’t think I’ve ever felt so estranged from the surrounding culture as I am from the aesthetics and sensibilities of this movement.

LOL, oh boy, another rootless cosmopolitan weighs in on their disconnect from any sort of culture that isn't based on Current Year pretenses.

Something tells me this dipwad's "estrangement" is entirely selective, because these kinds of open displays of Christian worship were pretty fucking common through most of the country's history. It's only post-Y2K that wokeism emerged as the dominant religious belief.

[InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)]

He also claims to be more at home in Greece, by which I suspect he means just Athens and a few tourist areas. Other parts of the country are deeply Orthodox and have no issue displaying it.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Yeah, that likelihood is probably about 95% or higher. The kind of "Greece" that influencers show on their Instagram profiles to make people think they're living the high life when they're really broke as shit.

[mad.casual]

I freely admit to a bit of enochlophobia. I grew up in a small, rural nondenominatory Protestant church. Thousands of Muslims all praying towards Mecca, thousands of Protestants in Megachurches, thousands of Catholics gathered in The Vatican for Mass... all weird me out pretty much equally. Sporting events are a little better because, even though you're ceding self-control to the mob, they're less likely to all suddenly entrap you or euthanize themselves or whatever. Concerts are a mixed bag.

I find the need to announce one's detachment from any/all such gatherings (that they aren't even a part of) similarly weird.

[Wizzle Bizzle]

It never ceases to amaze me that the "All Are Welcome Here" crowd that finds all foreign spirituality to be beautiful can't tolerate the overt positivity and optimism of Evangelicals, Mormons, etc.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Eh, I've come to expect it now. Going over Marcuse's works helped explain a lot of why the left acts the way that it does.

[Wizzle Bizzle]

It's sizzurp, isn't it?

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Dat fire-ass lean.

[damikesc]

The video from 2016 of a woman wearing a MAKA shirt beating a Trump pinata is evergreen.

[Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment]

"It never ceases to amaze me that the "All Are Welcome Here" crowd that finds all foreign spirituality to be beautiful can't tolerate the overt positivity and optimism of Evangelicals, Mormons, etc."

In "Post War", Judt laughs at the US Euro-weenies who find the daily shopping of the French 'so romantic'!
They had to; they couldn't afford fridges.

[Rick James]

My favorite is how they believe their egalitarian secular liberalism is 176% divorced from Christianity, while they proceed to tell you the tale of what a good Samaritan they are.

Or the leftist Democratic socialists explaining how with their plan, the last shall be first and the first shall be last.

[Stuck in California]

Been wrangled into Catholic mass a few times recently. Not going to say why, but it was to support a friend, and the right thing to do even though I'm not religious and definitely not Catholic.

Here's the thing from an outsider perspective. They do their deal, they follow their ceremony. Everyone eats a cracker, some people sing and play music. (grossly simplistically stated).

I sit in the back so I'm surrounded by families and babies and children who seem well enough behaved. They all say good morning and are polite when I move to make sure they have room in the pew for the whole family. At the end, they all shake your hand and wish you peace and hope you have a great day. Everyone has a smile for each other.

What the actual fuck is wrong with that? It may not be YOUR thing, but if you can't see the joy of community there, the problem is you. I mean, if you smell dogshit everywhere you go, it's time to look at the bottom of your own shoe.

[Rick James]

Kamala Harris' election postmortem

I'm not like most journalists who follow DC politics like TMZ follows celebrities, but I do have to say this:

The 2024 Trump campaign, collapse of the Biden administration, and and immediate post-election mayhem in the Democratic party was the most entertaining, and best year of politics I've ever witnessed. Ever. It was buck wild, the energy everywhere was off the chain-- I listened to every detail-- it was like a coke-fueled Hollywood production and wrap party that went completely off the rails, but passed into stuff of legend-- and it will go down in modern political history as one of those things that's going to be so hard to describe to future generations, that the only thing you're going to be left with is, "You really had to be there to understand it."

[damikesc]

Does she explain how she blew more than a billion dollars in 107 days? The Dems are STILL paying her campaign debt.

I cannot fathom how anybody outside of the Fed Government can spend that much money that quickly. There needs to be a DEEP dive in their monies because this reeks of money laundering.

[Its_Not_Inevitable]

Copious amounts of vodka.

[InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)]

That’s gotta be more barrels of vodka than Jeffy gets in Ben & Jerry’s.

[mad.casual]

+1 Like God watched Dave and The Hangover back-to-back and then said to Gabriel, "Hold my beer."

[Dillinger]

Kevin Klein's rendition of Hail to the Chief is hilarious still

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Yeah, the only other one I can think of that provided similar dramas and twists was the 1992 election, but even that didn't play out like some Tom Wolfe fever dream.

[Dillinger]

>>Perhaps we will soon return to our time-honored tradition of ignoring the public health authorities and doing whatever the damn hell we please.

it will be interesting to see whether this becomes the reality or instead you are jailed for questioning Public Health in Newyorkabad

[Dillinger]

also I don't take Tylenol anyway but I've never been pregnant so I know no pain

[Dillinger]

am I supposed to know who Thomas Chatterton Williams is?

[InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)]

Probably not as I don’t know who the fuck he is either.

[Dillinger]

his name says drunken poet but he's tweeting so he's not an 1800s guy.

[mad.casual]

*AHEM!* Thomas Chatterton Williams [blue checkmark]

Edit: Whaddya think the odds are that he found Ukraine flags and masking to be totally cool or otherwise unnotable/not discomforting "cultural aesthetics"?

[Dillinger]

if I was on X (which is still drug talk to me) I would ask him whether he's ever considered being incorrect about every assumption he makes despite having lived half his adult life in one foreign country or another

[Dillinger]

>> "Aesthetics" and "sensibilities" are one level of critique, sure,

not really a time for critique. everyone is welcome to hold their loved ones' memorials at football stadiums or anywhere they please

I would be interested to know whether more people show up for me than post dancing on my grave tiktoks I'd say it's a tossup

[Eeyore]

Instead of living with the pain you could try ibuprofen or maybe even a little fentanil.

[Michael Ejercito]

I read the Pacifica ruling.

Carr has Supreme Court precedent on his side.

[Dillinger]

it occurred to me in conversation w/mme. dillinger the irony in M*A*S*H being the longest running show of its era and how Klinger spent his entire time in Korea working for his Section 8 ... by dressing as a lady

[Rick James]

Yes, but the military was far more tolerant then, because as you know, he never GOT his Section 8.

[Rick James]

Part 2:

Millennials and zoomers: WHO?!!

[Dillinger]

lolright. Go Mudhens.

[Mickey Rat]

Actually, they got rid of Klinger cross dressing when Klinger took over as unit clerk when Radar's actor left the show. That was near the end of the run of the show.

[Dillinger]

ah, Bach. iirc the final season was my fraternity pledge semester we weren't permitted tv

[Roberta]

In the 1970s autism was considered childhood schizophrenia. That is, it was considered the only manifestation of schizophrenia that could be detected in childhood.

[Use the Schwartz]

So the only alternative to Acetaminophen is to "tough it out?"

These are not serious people.

[Super Scary]

"Doctor, my arm hurts when I do this."
"Well, don't do that."

[Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment]

"New York's first wind farm demolished after 20 years"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRy9VXLbD5o

A 20-year life span for a power plant is NOT a long life, and I'd love to know the number of hours over that life where the plant actually delivered power to the grid.

[Mother's Lament]

There are 65-year old nuclear power stations and 100 year old dams still trucking along.

[Super Scary]

""Walt Disney Co. said Jimmy Kimmel Live! will return to the air on Tuesday, ending a suspension imposed following controversial remarks its ABC late-night host made about the assassination of Republican activist Charlie Kirk," reports Bloomberg."

What? Multiple news sites, even Reason, told me he was suspended because of a joke.

[Chumby]

Must be a False Flag!

[Incunabulum]

>Yes

Well, no. You guys were basically silent for the last decade and a half. When you weren't waving it away with 'they're private companies' and 'speech has consequences'.

Well, your speech has had consequences.

[Jefferson Paul]

The claim that pressure from the government is what resulted in Kimmel's removal from ABC had some legs as the FCC Chairman did make some mild threats or "suggestions." But if ABC is now doing a 180 and putting Kimmel back on the air, I would think that largely negates that argument.

I think low ratings and worries about advertisers (and local stations) pulling support is what likely led ABC to initially removing Kimmel. Now that the left is unanimously in support of Kimmel's reinstatement, ABC probably sees the Jimmy Kimmel Tonight as profitable once again, as least in the short term.

(Still, I wish there were no jawboning from the FCC about wanting Kimmel canned. It's impossible to determine what, if any, effect that had on ABC's initial decision to pull Kimmel.)

[Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment]

"...(Still, I wish there were no jawboning from the FCC about wanting Kimmel canned. It's impossible to determine what, if any, effect that had on ABC's initial decision to pull Kimmel.)..."

^+1

[Chumby]

The affiliates moved first and when Sinclair did, their statement included a plea to the FCC to do something.

Also agree, Carr should have STFU and allowed Kimmel's exit to be organic without govt comment.

[Jefferson Paul]

Also agree, Carr should have STFU and allowed Kimmel's exit to be organic without govt comment.

Yep. I completely disagree with the FCC making any statement, as a statement from a govt regulatory body is not just a statement, but an implied threat (or in this case, explicit threat, with "we can do it the easy way or the hard way").

But the fact that ABC is reversing it and putting Kimmel back on the air is pretty good evidence, in this case, that the FCC threat was not a primary reason for Kimmel being pulled off the air. But after all the examples of the Biden admin doing the same or (much) worse, I would have hoped the Trump admin wouldn't pull something like this to even give the appearance of interfering in speech.

[Rick James]

My prediction (and I'm not very good at these) is that Kimmel will be gone in the next 24 months when political 1st amendment rhetoric can't spackle over the ratings hole.

[Jefferson Paul]

I don't think it will be anywhere as long as two years for Kimmel to get fired. His contract is up in May 2026, I believe, and I don't see ABC wanting to renew that money drain.

But in the short term, I expect his ratings will go way up with every leftist who cheered on cancel culture rallying around him just to spite the right (and to show how, really, they are the true defenders of free speech... as long as it's leftist speech).

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Like I said, there will be a surge for about a month, and then they'll get bored and move on, because if these dipshits really liked the show, they'd be watching it every night.

[jagjr]

"Biden, and then Harris, bet that the country would be repelled by at least one of Trump's decisions or character traits"

well, they bet that the country would be repelled more by that than by their own blatant and offputting flaws. they bet wrong.