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Religion

Maybe Prayer Isn't Bullshit

Plus: Beware of distorted data, inside the mind of Curtis Sliwa, a thong-related clarification, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 8.28.2025 9:30 AM

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The "thoughts and prayers" breaking point: Yesterday morning, as schoolchildren in Minneapolis were attending Mass to usher in the new school year, a gunman shot through the stained glass windows, killing 2 (an 8-year-old and a 10-year-old) and injuring 17—mostly children.

The shooter was 23-year-old Robin Westman, a transgender former student at the school who filed for a name change in 2017 (from "Robert" to "Robin"). Westman's mother had been a longtime employee at the school before her retirement back in 2021, and Westman appears to have been very familiar with the Annunciation Catholic Church, which serves pre-K through eighth grade, drawing the church layout from memory in preparation for the shooting.

"You cannot put into words the gravity, tragedy or absolute pain of the situation," said Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey, an advocate for stricter gun laws, in the immediate aftermath. "Don't just say this is about thoughts and prayers right now. These kids were literally praying."

Striking a similar note, former President Joe Biden flack Jen Psaki took to X to proclaim that "Prayer is not freaking enough. Prayers does not end school shootings. Prayers do not make parents feel safe sending their kids to school. Prayer does not bring these kids back. Enough with the thoughts and prayers."

"These children were probably praying when they were shot to death at catholic school," wrote Rep. Maxwell Frost (D–Fla.) on X. "Don't give us your fucking thoughts and prayers." Well then.

But prayer is not fake to roughly half the population. It's not just a nice thing you're obligated to say in the wake of a tragedy. The devoutly religious portion of the country—somewhere between 32 and 45 percent (if weekly church attendance and self-identification of religion as "very important" are proxies)—experiences prayer as a conversation with God. We petition Him, calling out for help; we grapple with evils and horrors and worries; we align ourselves closer to His will. Prayer is not just a wish list or a "to do" list we present to God; it's where we reveal our despair, where we seek guidance, clarity, and revelation. It's where we hope to become more Christlike. For devoutly Catholic parents grieving children, prayer might be the only thing that can provide comfort right now. That's how I'd feel, anyway.

"Prayer is not an escape from reality," posted Franciscan University on X. "It is the very place we meet Christ, who Himself was unjustly slain."

It would behoove Democrats, from Jacob Frey to Jen Psaki, to understand that American Christians and Catholics are not lying about the things we believe: Many Christians believe in demons and Satanic forces. Catholics really do believe in transubstantiation. We literally believe that Jesus was the son of God, who died on the cross for our sins—and, to borrow C.S. Lewis' argument, that he could not have simply been a "great moral teacher" (as he was making claims about his own nature that were either true or disturbingly fraudulent). He was either a lunatic, a liar, or the Lord; we believe that last one, and that He will come again. These are not fringe beliefs. These are core.

If these things sound crazy to you, that's fine. They clearly sound crazy to a bunch of Democrats who—I guess?—thought we were lying.

Psaki saying that "prayer is not freaking enough" sounds to Christians like she's saying God is not enough; like it's last call for his mercy and grace, like we'll be cut off soon, like it's finite. That betrays a fundamental misunderstanding, or maybe it's a deliberate put-down.

If what they mean to say is "Conservatives/Christians should not only do thoughts and prayers but also pursue our favored gun control measures," that's at least more honest. But perhaps the thoughts-and-prayers conservatives hit on something important: Policy levers can't necessarily be pulled to prevent true evil. Westman had legally purchased these weapons and had no prior criminal record. Last month's shooter in Midtown Manhattan had legally purchased his gun as well. And the policy change that some conservatives might want—way higher scrutiny applied before prescribing intense drugs to people looking to transition genders—may in fact be different than the policy changes Democrats have in mind. Be careful what you wish for.

Democrats would be wise to consider more deeply who exactly they're trying to appeal to, and who they think lives in America. We're still, despite declining religiosity, a pretty religious country. Most people have pretty traditional views about gender, believing—increasingly from 2017 to 2022—that it is the same as one's natal one, not something that can be different from the plumbing with which one was born. Four in 10 adults live in a household that has a gun; about one-third of the population owns a gun (though the partisan split is wild: 45 percent of Republicans own a gun but only 20 percent of Democrats, per Pew Research Center). What do they gain from denigrating the value of prayer? And do they actually believe that incidents like these will lead to more scrutiny on gun purchasing as opposed to gender transitioning? Democrats seem confident that things will simply go their way, but the politics of this are complicated.

Scott humbly submits that "F your prayers" might not resonate with many Americans https://t.co/gCRd3Xevs2

— Mary Katharine Ham (@mkhammer) August 28, 2025

Be on guard for distortions: School shootings are horrific; lying about how frequently they happen is pretty nasty too. If you dig into how some of these organizations categorize "school shootings," it's mighty unrecognizable from how any normal person would define that term.

Don't misread this graph. It shows when "a bullet hits school property for any reason," plus some times when a gun is brandished but not fired. 799 of the incidents (102 of the last 300) were in parking lots. 565 (60 of the last 300) were in evenings, nights, or nonschool days. https://t.co/wv7G98Lw0O

— Jesse Walker (@notjessewalker) August 28, 2025


Scenes from New York: "While his signature issue will probably always be public safety, there's a larger worldview lurking behind the crime talk: an instinctive localism that can't always be contained by those familiar political boxes of left and right or libertarian and statist," writes Reason's Jesse Walker in a great profile of mayoral candidate Curtis Sliwa. "Mix that with his offbeat history and his talk-radio style, and you've got the most interesting character in the race."

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  • Shifting from prayer to booty real fast, just so everyone is served by this newsletter: Following Tuesday's edition, several of you pointed out that it's really unpatriotic to wear an American flag thong, not an American flag bikini top, for obvious hygiene reasons. I am in full agreement, but was trying to refrain from talking about bumhole so early in the morning. I regret the error and will never mince words again. Thank you for keeping me honest!

My favorite thing about Reason commenters is that I wrote in this a.m.'s Roundup about how THE FLAG IS SO GREAT that I've always been conflicted abt American flag bikinis/whether flag belongs on boobs and all the commenters were like AKSHUALLY ISN'T THE THONG THE REAL PROBLEM?

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   9 hours ago

    Don't just say this is about thoughts and prayers right now. These kids were literally praying.

    How is this guy still mayor.

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    1. Social Justice is neither   8 hours ago

      Have you seen the Governor?

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      1. Fist of Etiquette   8 hours ago

        I feel for the minority of Minnesotans who don't deserve this.

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      2. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   8 hours ago

        And just about every other person with power in the state?

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      3. Quo Usque Tandem   7 hours ago

        Mop head Waltz.

        He, Newsome, and Phil Murphy are the best candidates the DNC could come up with at their meeting earlier this month.

        Looks like Vance will be a shoe in.

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        1. Neutral not Neutered   4 hours ago

          DeSantis most likely

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    2. Spiritus Mundi   7 hours ago

      * He is only condeming the thoughts and prayers to Jesus. Condeming thoughts and prayers to Allah is islamaphobia and a hate crime.

      I am not a religious person, but denigrating the culture of the victims while demanding acceptance and tolerance of the murderer is pure evil. This is just as bad as the old dead girl or live boy analogy.

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      1. damikesc   1 hour ago

        And Republicans, 100%, need to tie this to the Dems. Their asinine tranny theology is killing kids.

        And buying into trannyism requires far more faith than my belief and total acceptance of Jesus as my lord and savior.

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    3. Fats of Fury   5 hours ago

      Have you seen the one the DFL tried to install?

      BTW. Frey followed up with "Anybody who is using this as an opportunity to villainize our trans community or any other community out there has lost their sense of common humanity. Kids died. This needs to be about them".

      Fuck this guy, there's been about 10 tranny mass shooters so far.

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  2. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   9 hours ago

    We need to close the chip gap!

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    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   8 hours ago

      And we should be able too now. Tsm pulled out of building a foundry in America citing the forced dei would make them hire less qualified people and the foundry wouldnt function with dei hires.

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  3. Fist of Etiquette   9 hours ago

    Striking a similar note, former President Joe Biden flack Jen Psaki took to X to proclaim that "Prayer is not freaking enough."

    Sorry, Jen. Americans have a constitutional right to be trans.

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    1. NoVaNick   7 hours ago

      The Dems are doubling down on their anti-God, anti-Gun rage because the shooter was a tranny.

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      1. mad.casual   6 hours ago

        The [sic] "What do you do to crack down on the leaking of details to be weaponized against any focus besides guns?" was a pretty "Take the 1A mask off, throw it on the floor, and then piss on it." moment.

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  4. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   9 hours ago

    … and all the commenters were like AKSHUALLY ISN'T THE THONG THE REAL PROBLEM?

    I don’t know about all the commenters saying that.

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    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   8 hours ago

      Didn't we all want boob pics?

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      1. Ska   8 hours ago

        Lobstergirl.jpg

        Well, if that wasn't stupid enough, I'll add this: for some reason this whole thong-is-disrespectful-to-the-flag discussion made me think of Airheads, that cinematic masterpiece.

        He wipes his ass with his record contract! *thoughtful nodding*

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        1. Dillinger   6 hours ago

          Raiders helmet full of cottage cheese! Naked pics of Bea Arthur!

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      2. Randy Sax   8 hours ago

        I'm still salty about the Carnival pictures she linked months ago, it was people in wheelchairs and fully clothed women.

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    2. Gaear Grimsrud   8 hours ago

      I've seen some thongs that led observers to stand at attention.

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    3. mad.casual   8 hours ago

      I know where I came from—but where did all you zombies come from?

      Honestly, I can't fathom how Fist handles this amount of power day in and day out.

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      1. Dillinger   6 hours ago

        >>where did all you zombies come from

        The Hooters.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LE0KpcP05I

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      2. Fist of Etiquette   5 hours ago

        Mountains won't move themselves.

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        1. Dillinger   5 hours ago

          ^^ look @Mr. Voodoo Chili

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    4. Quicktown Brix   8 hours ago

      She reads the comments?

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      1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   7 hours ago

        Apparently closer than I do.

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    5. Jerry B.   2 hours ago

      I would suppose that a proper thong would be too small to correctly portray a complete American flag.

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  5. Fist of Etiquette   9 hours ago

    "These children were probably praying when they were shot to death at catholic school," wrote Rep. Maxwell Frost (D–Fla.) on X. "Don't give us your fucking thoughts and prayers."

    Staff should probably take away the social media for a 24-hour period after an event like this which is apparently so tempting to politicize that our congresscritters and city leaders become utterly tone deaf.

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    1. Gaear Grimsrud   8 hours ago

      I'm not even slightly religious but it was pretty stunning to see these Democrats trashing people praying for dead and wounded children. And good on Liz for defending her faith.

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      1. Idaho-Bob   8 hours ago

        Wait until a mosque is shot up. The Democrats will be buying sajjadah and chanting Allah Akbar on CNN.

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        1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   7 hours ago

          There’s a picture of one of them going around of one of them (the mayor?, don’t remember) praying at the coffin of St. Floyd.

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          1. Quo Usque Tandem   7 hours ago

            It was the dipshit mayor.

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        2. Z Crazy   7 hours ago

          Why would they do that?

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          1. Jefferson Paul   6 hours ago

            Because it would check two boxes for the Dems: pandering to their base and intersectional (identity) politics.

            Do you not remember Pelosi and Schumer, et al., donning African garb to kneel before the casket of George Floyd (who was a black American, not some recent African immigrant)?

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      2. Quo Usque Tandem   7 hours ago

        Agree; as a practicing Christian is is nice to see it actually understood in print.

        And yes, they do indeed hate us. Governments and theocracies [which secular humanism is] never like competition.

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    2. VinniUSMC   8 hours ago

      I think it's great that Democrats can loudly and proudly proclaim their utter hatred and disgust for people who aren't as morally bankrupt as them.

      Maybe more moderate people will wake up and realize how much the Left hates them, and how much the Left worships moral depravity.

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      1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   8 hours ago

        It’s been obvious for decades

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        1. VinniUSMC   8 hours ago

          Not to the indoctrinated. They need to have their faces rubbed in the shit to finally see.

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          1. mad.casual   7 hours ago

            Kinda like how "They rally around the family with a pocket full of shells." hasn't aged or turned the bend well, Marilyn Manson's "What do you see? Something beautiful or something free?" kinda seems like a sword with the back edge pressing down on them.

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            1. VinniUSMC   7 hours ago

              Rage Against the Machine aged into Rage With the Machine.

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              1. Azathoth!!   2 hours ago

                They were always Rage with the Machine.

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            2. Dillinger   6 hours ago

              >>They need to have their faces rubbed in the shit to finally see.

              iirc Alice & Soundgarden both have songs alluding to this act.

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      2. Quo Usque Tandem   7 hours ago

        Let our enemies continue to make all the mistakes they want.

        Vance 2028

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    3. Minadin   7 hours ago

      What percentage of a typical Mass would you think was spent in prayer? These guys seem to think it's quite high - I don't think they've been to Mass.

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      1. Jefferson Paul   6 hours ago

        Devil's advocate: One could make the argument that the whole Mass is communion with god, so it's all one big group prayer.

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        1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   5 hours ago

          I’ve seen and read that argument before. Having been raised Catholic, I’d agree with that argument given the rituals found within the Mass.

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      2. Azathoth!!   2 hours ago

        The Mass is an invocation designed to set up the conditions conducive to the occurrence of the miracle of transubstantiation.

        Afterward there are prayers of thanksgiving.

        The whole of the mass is prayer.

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    4. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   7 hours ago

      No, I appreciate the candor. Maybe after this one Liz will realize that leftists hate her and her way of life?

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    5. Spiritus Mundi   7 hours ago

      They are not tone deaf. This is who they are.

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  6. Fist of Etiquette   9 hours ago

    If these things sound crazy to you, that's fine. They clearly sound crazy to a bunch of Democrats who—I guess?—thought we were lying.

    We can turn the dems around on this by pointing out that if He identifies as the Son of God, then...

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    1. Quicktown Brix   7 hours ago

      That would only work if He identified as the non-birthing, non-binary progeny of God.

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  7. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   9 hours ago

    Since may of 2020 there have been 500 attacks on catholic churches. With an arrest rate of less than 30%. The msm/leftists are giddy about attacking Catholics.

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    1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   7 hours ago

      History is pretty clear on this. When a group of people worship The State, they must attack the church or make it subservient.

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  8. Fist of Etiquette   9 hours ago

    Westman had legally purchased these weapons and had no prior criminal record.

    Should the mentally ill be legally allowed to own firearms? Is the belief that you are a different gender a mental illness? These are questions that maybe need to be asked on a certain podcast.

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    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   8 hours ago

      We need common sence fag control laws. We can call it the rainbow flag law

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      1. Randy Sax   8 hours ago

        I genuinely don't understand the motivation. Kid is suicidal, sure just kill yourself then. Why shoot the children? You want your name in the headlines? You'll be dead by then, why care? This isn't morbid curiosity, the first step to solving the problem is understanding it.

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        1. Idaho-Bob   8 hours ago

          They are in pain. The motivation is to disperse the pain on others.

          Don't forget they are mentally ill. You can't make it make sense.

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          1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   8 hours ago

            I saw its video manifesto before it was taken down.

            Along with “Kill Trump” and “6 Million (Jews) was not enough”, xhe had written “kill the pedos” on one of xer weapons.

            As I suppose touching a kid’s weiner is way worse than shooting 19 of them in front of hundreds of their friends.

            The AMA and Psychiatric Associations are going to have to come to terms with how they have normalized this severe mental illness. Democrats should, but won’t, have to come to terms with how they have programmed them to kill with all their histrionics about fake “genocides”

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          2. mad.casual   7 hours ago

            They are in pain.

            Disagree. He was not in any pain. His parents are still alive. He wasn't a war veteran. His clothes were fairly well kept. He lived in a dwelling with hardwood floors. He owned more guns and gun accessories than I did when I was 23.

            Like Mangione, Marxists, cultural icons, and psycho babble have convinced him that living in the wealthiest, most abundant society in history with a little self-induced back pain or a girlie haircut is the more brutally oppressive than living as Hellen Keller, Abe Lincoln, or William Earnest Henley.

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            1. Idaho-Bob   7 hours ago

              Mental pain, or anguish if you prefer.

              It murdered children and it took its own life. Something was fucking haywire.

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              1. mad.casual   6 hours ago

                Something was fucking haywire.

                Sure.

                Mental pain, or anguish if you prefer.

                Again, disagree. As indicated, seems more and increasingly likely that he was convinced that not having an invisible rainbow unicorn = pain rather than the fact that he actually was in any sort of pain or anguish. No obvious indication that he couldn't simply step out of whatever prison he was (not) locked inside of. Hundreds if not thousands of actual (de)transitioners who sterilize and disfigure themselves and carry around the regret without shooting anyone who was far more directly responsible for their situation.

                He wasn't in pain. Just an immoral attention seeker.

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              2. Dillinger   6 hours ago

                the one I'm one degree of separation from is extremely clouded by prescription medication and reddit.

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        2. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   8 hours ago

          It's indoctrination into the tranyfag cult. Any one you precieved doesn't agree with you is literally committing genocide (the rag heads are excluded from this).
          You instill that belief in skitos, of which 100% of tranny are skitzo, and you get an evil person

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          1. Randy Sax   8 hours ago

            I don't believe this person thought 8 and 10 year olds were committing genocide. Possible, but seems like a stretch.

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            1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   8 hours ago

              They literally do. They are future Christian voters

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            2. Quicktown Brix   7 hours ago

              I think the obvious reason to kill children is that it is the absolute worst thing you can do to most people. It is to punish the rest of us, not the shooting victims.

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          2. But SkyNet is a Private Company   8 hours ago

            Not forcing young spa workers to give a Brazilian to your hairy lady balls, and not allowing you to change out of your swimsuit next to 10 year old girls is “erasing your identity” and is genocide on par with the Holocaust.

            And our infotainment media and cultural “elites” help push the insanity

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        3. TrickyVic (old school)   8 hours ago

          Perhaps it's because the young folk have been taught to hate.

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        4. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   7 hours ago

          Look at all the rhetoric coming from leftists regarding this. They’ve convinced all these trans kids that the people that are against transitioning them and “affirming” their delusions want them dead. This was inevitable, and possibly part of the plan.

          You might think you hate leftists enough, but you don’t.

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          1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   7 hours ago

            Somewhat related that I found looking for a post I saw this morning about the trans reddit page:

            https://x.com/reddit_lies/status/1961021702587945399

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          2. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   6 hours ago

            Here you go:

            https://x.com/reddit_lies/status/1960832258899636462

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            1. Quo Usque Tandem   4 hours ago

              I have a niece who is chronologically over 30 but emotionally a perennial 13, who believes and posts crap like this. It's as though the entire family fell under the spell of her Ivy League older brother who got all woke and convinced them of it too.

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              1. tracerv   2 hours ago

                I bet holidays are a hoot.

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    2. Ron   7 hours ago

      Its ironic that as long as man has been around this has been a question even Plato once asked "do you give a sword to a crazed man" Even he did not answer the question he only asked

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  9. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   9 hours ago

    Trans Alleged Catholic School Shooter Leaves Video Message: ‘F*ck Those Kids’

    Plagiarized sarc’s famous “fuck those people” statement.

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    1. Ska   8 hours ago

      How is trans alleged a fucking phrase?

      I know I'm old, and my family's business was on the west side of Manhattan for decades. Just when exactly did transvestites cease to exist and be replaced by the concept that dudes in skirts are really women?

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      1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   8 hours ago

        Alleged shooter.

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        1. Ska   8 hours ago

          Fair enough, reading comprehension failure on my part. In my defense I offer "clunky headline."

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      2. tracerv   6 hours ago

        2016?

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  10. sarcasmic   9 hours ago

    Keeping every mass shooting in the news forever to convince people that all gun owners are potential criminals who need to be disarmed is despicable and dishonest, and keeping every crime committed by an illegal in the news forever to convince people that every illegal is a murdering rapist is ok because Democrats did it first.

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    1. Idaho-Bob   9 hours ago

      Predictable.

      Edit tip - Change illegal to trannie.

      ETA - You are right about Democrats.

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      1. sarcasmic   7 hours ago

        You’re right about the tranny bit. If I believed news from your echo chamber I would think every single one is a murderer.

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        1. Idaho-Bob   7 hours ago

          Your first comment was better, edit king.

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    2. TrickyVic (old school)   9 hours ago

      Just tell them crime is down and move on.

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      1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   8 hours ago

        It will be written down as misdemeanor assult

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    3. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   6 hours ago

      Poor sarcbot. Also you’ve officially entered disgusting filth stage.

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  11. Fist of Etiquette   9 hours ago

    If you dig into how some of these organizations categorize "school shootings," it's mighty unrecognizable from how any normal person would define that term.

    Redefinitions are the hallmark of the modern statistical charlatan.

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    1. Medulla Oblongata   8 hours ago

      And leftists in particular revel in redefining words...

      ''When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less.''

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    2. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   8 hours ago

      Like redefining the definition of vaccine

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      1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   8 hours ago

        Or a recession.

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        1. Randy Sax   8 hours ago

          Or woman.

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          1. MK Ultra   6 hours ago

            Illegal alien.

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            1. Quo Usque Tandem   4 hours ago

              Skid row bum

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    3. Ron   7 hours ago

      I don't know about other locals but in California if a shooting or even a person caught with a gun in 1000 yards of a school it gets reported as a school gun crime. And it does not matter what time of day it happens either so yes teh numbers are bogus

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      1. Quo Usque Tandem   4 hours ago

        Well when your audience cannot get beyond sound bytes and headlines, it'll do, pig.

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  12. Fist of Etiquette   9 hours ago

    "Mix that with his offbeat history and his talk-radio style, and you've got the most interesting character in the race."

    The Libertarian Case for Curtis Sliwa.

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  13. Fist of Etiquette   8 hours ago

    I am in full agreement, but was trying to refrain from talking about bumhole so early in the morning.

    WE HAVE A SENSE OF DECORUM HERE.

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    1. Quicktown Brix   7 hours ago

      Oh. Where do we keep it?

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    2. mad.casual   7 hours ago

      Right. I don't need pictures of boobs but if we start getting thigh and ass hair from anyone, I'm out.

      As I said above, I don't know how you do it.

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  14. Fist of Etiquette   8 hours ago

    The Mexican government plans to increase tariffs on China...

    Mexico does not need cheap imports!

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    1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   8 hours ago

      Trump did it first, so it’s ok!

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  15. Social Justice is neither   8 hours ago

    Demoncrats engendered the circumstances that created this shooting with their unqualified support of everything trans no matter how insane. Dude needed help, not affirmation of anything that popped into his head and Democrats made sure all he got was affirmation as he got crazier and crazier.

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    1. Medulla Oblongata   8 hours ago

      Stick with it to the punch line...

      https://pjmedia.com/victoria-taft/2025/08/27/smell-yourselves-lefties-n4943072

      Smell Yourselves, Lefties: Loon Attacks Couple Wearing MAGA Hats. Then She Turns Around and Wow.

      [In case you don't want to click through to the story&video... "The crazy lady there, the woman who presumed to tell a Mexican restaurant owner to kick out a couple because they were wearing MAGA hats, wears this: a Luigi Mangione t-shirt. The shirt is the saintly depiction of the man who assassinated Brian Thompson, the CEO of UnitedHealthCare, in cold blood on a New York City street."]

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  16. MollyGodiva   8 hours ago

    The criticism of “thoughts and prayers” has always meant not to criticize the prayers, but to point out the complete inaction of those who use that phrase.

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    1. Randy Sax   8 hours ago

      What points of action would you suggest to combat this mental illness?

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      1. MollyGodiva   8 hours ago

        Free and comprehensive mental health care. Let's start there.

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        1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   8 hours ago

          How about putting an end to the tranny cult instead?

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        2. Was it something I said?   8 hours ago

          Then what?

          Writers on this blog have advised that mental health professionals have no idea who is likely to go off and shoot up a church or school. So does the government bar everyone who receives treatment from gun ownership?

          It also necessitates that all mental health records are shared with government. Common sense tells us that would make many people reluctant to seek help. It’s pretty much guaranteed those records would be leaked to attack political opponents, also.

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        3. Randy Sax   8 hours ago

          This person did receive "mental health care". But it fed into his dilution of being a woman and not against it.

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          1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   8 hours ago

            Bazingo

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        4. But SkyNet is a Private Company   8 hours ago

          What a stupefyingly idiotic childlike response

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          1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   6 hours ago

            Well, it’s a commie, so yeah.

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        5. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   8 hours ago

          "Free and comprehensive mental health care. Let's start there."

          Yes, because 'metal health care' has such a documented history of accomplishing.............
          Absolutely nothing, which asswipes like MG find so attractive.
          Fuck off and die, Dr. Retarded Asswipe

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          1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   7 hours ago

            Well, it's now illegal in several states to suggest that maybe you should examine that you really aren't what you claim you are at the present time, and that if you felt differently at any other point in time that is to be ignored.
            So state sponsored health care can do a lot more harm than good

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            1. Ersatz   4 hours ago

              thats because psychology is pseudoscience
              and if that isnt enough, it has been ideologically captured

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          2. Ron   7 hours ago

            lately its the mental health care loons supporting the transgender communities miss ideology. you will find no substansive help there and considering it is now illegal to try and change a person's personal ideology.

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        6. Super Scary   7 hours ago

          Free? You don't think mental health care workers should be paid?

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          1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   7 hours ago

            Free socialized medicine makes slaves of the providers, which leads to lower quality providers, and leads to shortages, and leads to no care at all for those unconnected to the elites.

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            1. Neutral not Neutered   3 hours ago

              Cite

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        7. sarcasmic   7 hours ago

          Nothing is free. It just means someone else pays for it.

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          1. TrickyVic (old school)   7 hours ago

            Correct.
            And "comprehensive" means expensive.

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            1. Ersatz   4 hours ago

              govt provided comprehensive anything means wasteful

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        8. TrickyVic (old school)   7 hours ago

          Utopia medicine is where everyone gets all the treatment want whenever they want it. This completely ignores scarcity of resources to the point it's a fairy tale.

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        9. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   6 hours ago

          Except your side has decided that these people aren’t mentally ill, or that the appropriate treatment is to affirm their delusions.

          So your start accomplishes nothing except taking more money for your graft.

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          1. Mickey Rat   5 hours ago

            It is worse. They are telling trans people that their happiness depends on other people completely accepting them as being of the opposite sex. Any disagreement is, in truth, a direct attack upon them and their psyche. it is a world view that encourages resentment toward others.

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          2. Ersatz   4 hours ago

            Except your side has decided that these people aren’t mentally ill, or that the appropriate treatment is to affirm their delusions.

            Just like the chicago mayor's solution to violent crime is to provide more free housing - but to never assent to more boots on the ground

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      2. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   8 hours ago

        Bring back asylums

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        1. Quo Usque Tandem   4 hours ago

          Asylums are indeed "comprehensive."

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    2. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   8 hours ago

      And what, pray tell, do you expect them to do?

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    3. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   8 hours ago

      Molly is right. The correct course would be to round up the obvious misfits and put them in sanitariums so normal people can enjoy life in peace.

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      1. MollyGodiva   8 hours ago

        We don't have enough room in sanitariums for all the MAGAs.

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        1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   8 hours ago

          Projecting again, Dr. Retard?

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        2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   7 hours ago

          Perhaps there's enough for shitstains like you?

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        3. TrickyVic (old school)   7 hours ago

          Why? They are not the ones cheering assassinations.

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        4. Spiritus Mundi   6 hours ago

          Thanks for showing exactly why the state should not have power to subject us to "free and comprehensive mental health care". Assholes like you would surely use it to put your enimies away.

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        5. Jefferson Paul   5 hours ago

          So you admit you do want to lock up people who disagree with you politically?

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    4. Idaho-Bob   8 hours ago

      Defend democrats no matter what, club. Say hello to sarc.

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      1. MollyGodiva   8 hours ago

        Hi Sarc.

        Also my comment did not mention any political party.

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        1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   8 hours ago

          Yet they’re always slanted a certain way.

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        2. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   8 hours ago

          You literally said Maga.

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        3. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   7 hours ago

          So MAGAs are Ds also, asswipe?

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        4. Mother's Lament   6 hours ago

          MollyGodiva: "We don't have enough room in sanitariums for all the MAGAs"

          MollyGodiva: "I did not mention any political party."

          SMH

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          1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   5 hours ago

            Molly is about as self-aware as Sarc.

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          2. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   5 hours ago

            Leftists are inherently dishonest.

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    5. Was it something I said?   8 hours ago

      What is your suggestion?

      I have yet to see any proposals from the left that would actually be effective. Every one does nothing to restrict criminals, but does affect those who never commit a murder.

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      1. Quo Usque Tandem   4 hours ago

        Well, which is easier? And sounds better [to their particular choir]?

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    6. Mickey Rat   5 hours ago

      "...but to point out the complete inaction of those who use that phrase."

      Or, rather, continue to resist the authoritarian policy "solutions" of the person offering the criticism.

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    7. Michael Ejercito   4 hours ago

      So they want to send the National Guard out to protect cities?

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  17. Fist of Etiquette   8 hours ago

    No! Bad idea...

    It takes a constitutional amendment to ban alcohol but not drugs. I think we know that constitutional protections are strikingly arbitrary at this point.

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    1. Spiritus Mundi   6 hours ago

      Drugs aren't really banded, you just have to buy a tax stamp which the government refuses to sell.

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      1. Quicktown Brix   5 hours ago

        That fig leaf was discarded when struck down by SCOTUS (Leary v. United States, 1969). So the CSA passed in 1970 did ban (some) drugs using an even more unconstitutional approach which has subsequently been upheld by SCOTUS via the drug war exception to the constitution clause.

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  18. VinniUSMC   8 hours ago

    several of you pointed out

    Well, at least it's confirmed that Liz does read (at least some of) the comments.

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    1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   8 hours ago

      I’ll take it. It’s a far sight better than most of the writers here who can’t be bothered to read the comments.

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    2. Gaear Grimsrud   8 hours ago

      Ron Bailey used to respond to comments. Then he went to the dark side and never returned.

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      1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   8 hours ago

        As soon as we started calling out his self references that went nowhere he stopped responding

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      2. Minadin   6 hours ago

        Britches responded to me once, and actually revised an item in his article as a result.

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  19. Medulla Oblongata   8 hours ago

    "I was scared, your honor, and I didn't understand what happened that day. I truly don't understand why they followed me in the first place. I am not a murderer of any kind."

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/you-literally-wiped-out-a-family-man-fleeing-traffic-tickets-kills-pregnant-mother-traveling-with-her-husband-and-2-year-old-son/ar-AA1LgYFP

    'You literally wiped out a family': Man fleeing traffic tickets kills pregnant mother traveling with her husband and 2-year-old son

    Macomb County Assistant Prosecutor Steve Fox challenged Smith's denial of responsibility.

    "He says he is not a murderer," Fox reportedly said, according to the News. "I have news for you, sir, you are. Your conduct killed a woman and her unborn child. You are a murderer."

    Smith, for his part, also apologized to the family. The prosecutor seized on that portion of the defendant's soliloquy as well.

    "He can't even make it through a statement to the family, he can't even express his condolences without immediately turning it into himself," Fox said, according to a courtroom report by Detroit-based NBC affiliate WDIV.

    After hearing from Smith and the prosecutor, the judge remarked on the surviving father's quality of life, calling his complete paralysis and inability to speak "a fate worse than death."

    "Going back to that night, you had no drugs in your car, you had no guns in your car," Biernat said, addressing the defendant. "You didn't even know the car has no insurance. You would've been pulled over and ticketed for no insurance on your car. That's all."

    Then the judge's pleading voice took on tones of pathos and anger: "You literally wiped out a family. All you had to do was stop."

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    1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   7 hours ago

      Also at the feet of the hucksters who told young black people that the cops were hunting them down in the streets for sport

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    2. Super Scary   7 hours ago

      "Travion Twon-Deangelo Smith"

      Someone arrest that guy's mother while we're at it.

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  20. Randy Sax   8 hours ago

    Four in 10 adults live in a household that has a gun

    Mine all at the bottom of Cheat Lake unfortunately.

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    1. Spiritus Mundi   6 hours ago

      All my guns identify as pool noodles. And don't you dare try to deny their lived experience.

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  21. Gaear Grimsrud   8 hours ago

    New video from the Minneapolis shooter says he's tired of being transgender and wishes he hadn't brainwashed himself.

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    1. Quo Usque Tandem   4 hours ago

      Please let that be true [and post a link, while you're at it].

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      1. Gaear Grimsrud   3 hours ago

        I'm not good at linking on the phone but it's at the New York Post front page I think.

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        1. Gaear Grimsrud   3 hours ago

          He's also quoted, "I know I'm not a woman but I don't feel like a man". The unknown factor at this point is whether or not was at any time on hormone therapy. He was past puberty when he did the name change but it would be interesting to speculate about the potential effects of estrogen on a very disturbed young man.

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          1. Dillinger   2 hours ago

            I thought you were joking it's hilarious in that vein.

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  22. Marshal   7 hours ago

    I love this clip. Jen drones on about how evil weaponizing the event for politics is and specifically abhors blaming anything other than guns as if that's not weaponizing the event for politics.

    She achieved The Jeffsarc level of cluelessness this time!

    https://x.com/GuntherEagleman/status/1960877631185760567

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    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   7 hours ago

      So local poobah got camera time to blame GUNS!!!!!!!!!!!!! yesterday, forgetting that GUNS!!!!!!!!!!!!! don't pull the trigger.

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  23. Michael Ejercito   7 hours ago

    Striking a similar note, former President Joe Biden flack Jen Psaki took to X to proclaim that "Prayer is not freaking enough."
    Does she want Trump to send the National Guard?

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  24. TJJ2000   7 hours ago

    Power hungry Democrats need you to worship their [D]-Gov-Gun-Gods
    ...so they can 'Gun' down your 'Gun' and your God.

    As-if their God-Envy wasn't that obvious.
    They're here to SAVE the WORLD with the benefits of 'Armed-Theft' of all those 'icky' productive people!
    You can take slavery out of the law but you can't take the slavery mentality out of a Democrat.

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    1. TJJ2000   7 hours ago

      ...but no worries here. /s

      Democrats have cleansed their conscience by race baiting, gender-signalling, productive-hating (?greedy?), the weather (climate) and endless amount of Self-Projection ([WE] did it but it's only Trumps fault!).

      There is no amount of crime against their fellow man that can't be *excused* by their long list of 'cleansing' narratives.

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  25. Liberty_Belle   7 hours ago

    Prayer did these people as much good as having a 6 foot invisible rabbit for a best friend.

    I don't care if half the planet is delusional , it doesn't make it any more true than saying there is 26 sexes and we call all pick which one we are that day depending on what phase the moon is.

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    1. NoVaNick   7 hours ago

      How about gun-free zone laws? I am sure those do a lot of good too, right?

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    2. TJJ2000   7 hours ago

      It must of done them some good since none of them were the one's committing mass-murder.

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    3. Rick James   7 hours ago

      Or that masks aren't just talismans and keep a 6 foot best-friend's-rabbit distance from each other will keep a virus away.

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    4. Rick James   6 hours ago

      FYI, if we count Islam that # is way more than half the planet. Just sayin'.

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    5. Mother's Lament   6 hours ago

      "Prayer did these people as much good as having a 6 foot invisible rabbit for a best friend."

      I absolutely knew that Liz was lighting the Shrike-signal this morning when I saw the headline, and we were in for some fedora-tipping viewpoints in the comments.

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    6. Jefferson Paul   3 hours ago

      a 6 foot invisible rabbit for a best friend

      Is this a reference to Donnie Darko?

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  26. NoVaNick   7 hours ago

    One thing I would love to hear discussed but know I never will, is if a young person wants to change their gender, is it a sign of more serious mental health problems, than say wearing black or playing certain video games might be?

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    1. Randy Sax   7 hours ago

      Short answer; yes.

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      1. NoVaNick   6 hours ago

        Your transphobic views have been noted and arrest warrants filed in California, NY, Mass, and Minn.

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    2. mad.casual   7 hours ago

      a young person

      Not for nothing really, but the dude was 23. Same with Nashville.

      We aren't talking about some "impressionable" 13 yr. old playing Mortal Combat or COD, some 17 yr. old getting bullied by upperclassmen since the 3rd grade, or some tween girl who wants to stand out from her friends with a pixie cut and a more butch name.

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      1. Rick James   5 hours ago

        or some tween girl who wants to stand out from her friends with a pixie cut and a more butch name.

        Whose Marin county parents are pushing her into sterilization surgery to make her body match her personality!

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    3. Rick James   7 hours ago

      Um, yes. Because no matter how much I believe I'm St. Jerome, I can't become St. Jerome. So if one kid likes to play video games and wear black, and another one keeps telling me he's St. Jerome, I'm going to be keeping a closer eye on the one who thinks he's St. Jerome. That's kind of how this works.

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    4. TJJ2000   7 hours ago

      I'd assert that it has a lot to do with [D]'s Lazy-Man-Scam Indoctrination that one can 'Gun' demand Self-Significance (be *special*/significant) by 'Identifying-as' a particular group status without having to EARN any 'significance' at all.

      Leading to a massive amount of regret and resentment when the Scam doesn't pan-out as pitched by [D] scam-artists. Whatever happened to 'respect', 'significance' had to be EARNED not just DEMANDED.

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      1. rbike   11 minutes ago

        Yes. Good point.

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    5. chemjeff radical individualist   6 hours ago

      This type of thinking is what led to laws against homosexuality, or laws against interracial marriage. It shouldn't be illegal to deviate from the norm (in a way that does not violate the NAP), and classifying it as a mental illness is just another way to enforce cultural conformity. I would ask, why?

      Human beings have free will, and while the majority of people will choose to conform to some shared social standard, those who choose not to should not be medicalized or criminalized for doing nothing but failing to "go with the flow".

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      1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   5 hours ago

        Just look at Lying Jeffy go!

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      2. NoVaNick   5 hours ago

        Not saying that thinking your a different sex/gender should be medicalized any more than having an imaginary friend should be. By itself, this is not a problem. However, most of these same people are also severely depressed, bipolar, borderline personality, or on the autism spectrum. So if my son came home from school today and told me he wanted to be a girl and for me to call him Natalia, my first thought would be that something pretty serious is going on.

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        1. Rick James   4 hours ago

          Not saying that thinking your a different sex/gender should be medicalized any more than having an imaginary friend should be.

          Um, it's the trans movement that's claiming it needs to be medicalized.

          Edit: Oh, and yes, it IS a pathology when you so strongly believe you were "born in the wrong body" that you're willing to go through eye-popping cosmetic surgery and sterilization to "realize their true self".

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      3. Vernon Depner   5 hours ago

        What is a woman?

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  27. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   7 hours ago

    More on the girl who defended her sister from the migrant in Scotland.

    https://x.com/anc_aesthetics/status/1960815792712507904?s=46&t=qeA47-JjK6vq0pfnxg60dA

    I spoke with the mom of one of the girls (Mayah) and got the entire story that the media is covering up and lying about.

    So first of all, the reporting got the names of the girls mixed up. There were 3 girls who were there who were accosted and attacked by the migrants.

    Lola - Lola is the hero from the video. She's the one with the axe defending her sister from the migrant attackers

    Ruby - Lola's older sister who was attacked and hospitalized

    Mayah - Ruby's best friend who was with them and went to call the police after Ruby was attacked by the migrants

    Here's the summary of what happened from Mayah's mother:

    "Yes. So what happened was the girls where out just walking and the man in the picture made comments to lola(the younger girl) calling her sexy and other sexual remarks then the girls started to tell this man to leave them alone and stop following them and making sexual remarks to them. After that the man's sister (also in the picture) came around the corner and physically attacked ruby(the older sister) she grabbed her hair dragged her to the floor started to punch her then both the man and woman where kicking her in head while she was on the floor. At this point my daughter (mayah) called the police so my daughters account after that is all abit blurry. But that is when lola had the weapons she pulled them out to protect ruby. After that the man came back at lola recording her making sure she showed the weapons to the camera and antagonising her. Ruby was hospitalised after the attack with a severe concussion a tennis ball sized lump to the back of her head aswell as lots of bruises."

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    1. Z Crazy   7 hours ago

      Migrants from dirty countries cause problems everywhere, not just America.

      All migrants should be presumed a threat to public safety unless they prove otherwise beyond a reasonable doubt.

      Remember Laken Riley!

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      1. Rick James   7 hours ago

        Jesus dude, it's not like they a menace on our highways or something. Give illegal migrants a commercial drivers license and let them prove they're able to make the u-turns American's won't do.

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    2. Mother's Lament   6 hours ago

      To be fair the girls might have been drunk, and the assaulter may have felt sorry later.
      Maybe we should have our resident child-rape expert, Chemjeff, weigh in.

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      1. Medulla Oblongata   4 hours ago

        The migrant only wanted to jack off on the little girl, not REALLY rape her.

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  28. Rick James   7 hours ago

    So I guess someone from the TQI2MAP+ end of the spectrum shot some people up.

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  29. Longtobefree   7 hours ago

    He was not transgender.
    There is no such thing as transgender.
    He was a he.
    He can never become she.

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    1. NoVaNick   5 hours ago

      Maybe she wanted to be a priest and was pissed the Catholic Church would not let her?

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    2. Mother's Lament   3 hours ago

      Why gays and lesbians across the country aren't furious about the fact that gay teens are being gaslit into thinking they the wrong gender and being castrated and mutilated, is beyond me.

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  30. Michael Ejercito   6 hours ago

    Here is an update regarding Hannah C. Dugan.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/videos/criminal-case-against-milwaukee-county-220956678.html?guccounter=1

    Judge fails in bid to dismiss case of allegedly helping undocumented man evade arrest
    ELY BROWN and JAMES HILL
    Tue, August 26, 2025 at 12:33 PM PDT

    A federal judge in Wisconsin has denied Milwaukee County Circuit Court Judge Hannah Dugan’s motion to dismiss federal charges alleging that she concealed an undocumented immigrant to prevent his arrest by immigration authorities.

    In the decision, issued Tuesday, the judge did not agree with Dugan’s argument of judicial immunity.

    “There is no basis for granting immunity simply because some of the allegations in the indictment describe conduct that could be considered 'part of a judge’s job,'" Judge Lynn Adelman wrote.

    The order follows an earlier magistrate judge’s recommendation to have the case continue.

    Dugan was arrested in April and charged in a two-count federal indictment alleging she knowingly concealed a person sought for arrest by immigration authorities and for obstruction of official Department of Homeland Security removal proceedings. She has pleaded not guilty.

    Her criminal case will go forward with a scheduling hearing set for Sept. 3.

    MORE: Federal judge recommends case against Milwaukee judge who allegedly helped undocumented man evade arrest continue

    Lawyers for Dugan, in part citing the U.S. Supreme Court's decision in President Donald Trump's immunity case, had argued she has judicial immunity for official acts and her prosecution is unconstitutional. Prosecutors, meanwhile, had contended in court filings that her motion to dismiss the charges ignored "well-established law that has long permitted judges to be prosecuted for crimes they commit."

    According to federal prosecutors, Dugan encountered federal agents who were at Milwaukee County Circuit Court on April 18 to arrest an undocumented man appearing in her courtroom on a battery charge.

    Prosecutors say that after speaking to the agents, Dugan directed them to the chief judge's office down the hall and then sent the man and his attorney out a non-public door in an alleged attempt, authorities claim, to help him evade arrest on immigration violations.

    The man was later arrested.

    Dugan was arrested and charged a week following the incident.

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  31. Dillinger   6 hours ago

    indeed prayer is not bullshit.

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  32. Dillinger   6 hours ago

    >>several of you pointed out that it's really unpatriotic to wear an American flag thong

    idk I always loved the Amorica album cover.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njHpIdXV1Vo

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    1. NoVaNick   5 hours ago

      Yeah, some nice bush sticking out too!

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    2. mad.casual   3 hours ago

      I don't know my Black Crowes band members by sight well enough but that's Chris Robinson, right?

      @1:00 he lays it out:
      I mean to me the most controversial part of it was just the flag itself you know using the American flag and and and at a certain level when I saw the the thing in a magazine of the 1976 Hustler whatever it wasn't so much about pornography or degradating women or misogynistic Theory or anything

      Kinda seems like he gets the idea that it was edgy but that an American flag banana hammock or close enough wouldn't have been as well received.

      When your rock stars that use phrases like "degradating to women" recognize the other side of the line, there's a line and it would be disrespectful to lots of people to cross it.

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      1. Dillinger   3 hours ago

        yes, Chris Robinson. I caught the degradating too lol.

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  33. Dillinger   6 hours ago

    >>The Mexican government plans to increase tariffs on China

    costs of chemical components of fentanyl will necessarily skyrocket.

    edit: is Boehm on the hard-hit two-person small business in Guadalajara?

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  34. Dillinger   6 hours ago

    is it possible at all to simply ignore the dummies with the flags on fire? asking for a friend.

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    1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   5 hours ago

      Not if they’re in the street you’re trying to drive down.

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      1. Dillinger   4 hours ago

        in Texas they know we'll just shoot them.

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      2. mad.casual   3 hours ago

        We tried that. They proceeded to burning cars, dumpsters, businesses, police stations...

        I'm certainly on the side where if enough Michael Jackson impersonators get plugged or choked out for harassing people or blocking the street while burning a flag and/or dumpster this problem solves itself, but for the most part that's not the country we live in.

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    2. Mother's Lament   2 hours ago

      For midterms they should feature in every commercial.

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  35. Chinny Chin Chin   6 hours ago

    IMO the next logical step is clear: Trump should get Johnson and Thune to introduce a flag burning amendment to the Constitution. See who wants to vote against it. - CF Lehman

    Yeah, let's see who supports the first amendment. Buncha losers.

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  36. Demosthenes of Athens   6 hours ago

    Excellent writing on how many of us feel about prayer, Liz.

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  37. chemjeff radical individualist   6 hours ago

    Liz, the criticism of the "thoughts and prayers" line is not about trashing people who are devout. It is trashing the *politicians* who trot out that phrase INSTEAD OF doing anything meaningful. The implication here is that mass shootings are just a part of life, like natural disasters, that we have no control over, and there's nothing that we CAN do except pray.

    There is a great deal that we can do, including many things that don't involve government policy or rules at all, to cut down on school shootings. For example, we can teach and encourage - voluntarily, without coercion - individuals who own guns on how to store and use guns safely. Many instances of school shootings - not this one, but others - involve teenagers stealing the guns from their parents and shooting up the school. IF the parents had stored the guns more securely then such shootings could have been averted. Things like that. It doesn't require creating new laws or rules, just greater social pressure to be safer with guns. And it certainly isn't just some natural disaster that is totally unpreventable.

    I am a little surprised by your reaction, Liz, because I would have expected you to be a little more critical of those who continually trot out the "thoughts and prayers" line, because that smacks of a type of false profession, or even blasphemy - those who use religion, or appeal to religious practices, in order to serve a political agenda instead of a faith-based mission.

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    1. Dillinger   6 hours ago

      let me know when you've finished the list of everyone you are certain is professing falsely to serve a political agenda

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      1. chemjeff radical individualist   5 hours ago

        I'll start with 99% of Congress.

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        1. Dillinger   5 hours ago

          okay but simple projection.

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    2. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   5 hours ago

      Sounds like I’ve already done all I can do. Guess I should just move along and let your allies keep murdering kids.

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    3. Mickey Rat   5 hours ago

      Except this person brought guns specifically to cause mayhem. And if guns were unavailable, perhaps would have used knives, or a hatchet. There is no level of control for that without infantilizing the adults in society. There seems to be a epidemic of of people so dissatisfied with their lives that they would rather end in infamy while indulging revenge fantasies then continue living as they are.

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    4. Medulla Oblongata   4 hours ago

      What type of gun control law would have prevented THIS instance? What type of governmental or social nudging would have prevented THIS instance?

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      1. Mother's Lament   2 hours ago

        Hand complete power to the Democratic Party. It's the only thing that will save you. Look how well it worked for California, Detroit and Chicago.

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      2. damikesc   59 minutes ago

        Bar trannies from owning firearms due to their rampant mental disease?

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  38. Mickey Rat   5 hours ago

    ""These children were probably praying when they were shot to death at catholic school," wrote Rep. Maxwell Frost (D–Fla.) on X."

    While Catholic schools do have the students pray and have religion classes and even attend Mass, what exactly does Maxwell think a Catholic school does with most of its time, other than teaching subjects most other schools teach?

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    1. Medulla Oblongata   4 hours ago

      Well, the shooting was during a back-to-school Mass, in the church the school is affiliated with.

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  39. GroundTruth   5 hours ago

    Thank you Liz for being clear on your faith, and letting folks know that one can be both a devout believer and a libertarian too.

    There needs to be more good will in our society, even our own little section of the world here amongst the commentariate.

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  41. Michael Ejercito   4 hours ago

    More land acknowledgements.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/watch-dnc-opens-summer-meeting-with-land-acknowledgment-claims-that-us-suppresses-indigenous-history/ar-AA1LcKSu

    The Democratic National Committee kicked off its annual summer meeting in Minneapolis with a "land acknowledgment" that included an assertion that the U.S. perpetuates a system of suppression.

    "Let's talk about the land for a second," said Lindy Sowmick, treasurer of the Minnesota Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party (DFL) and self-described "Indigenous queer woman" after DNC Chairman Ken Martin introduced her to recite the acknowledgment.

    "The DNC acknowledges and honors the Dakota Oyate – the Dakota people – who are the original stewards of the lands and waters of Minneapolis," Sowmick continued. "The Dakota cared for the lands, lakes and the Wakpa Tanka – the ‘Great River,’ the Mississippi River – for thousands of years before colonization. This land was not claimed, or traded – it's a part of a history of broken treaties and promises. And, in many ways, we still live in a system built to suppress Indigenous peoples' cultural and spiritual history."

    Sowmick encouraged members of the Democratic Party to see the "land acknowledgment" as more than just "the checking of a box."

    "As Democrats, I ask of every one of you to not allow land acknowledgments like these to simply be the checking of a box – be curious, ask questions, ensure our native neighbors are heard and work in partnership with your Indigenous communities," Sowmick urged the crowd Monday. "Honor the legacy of this land and its people by engaging today with each other with honesty, humility, respect and compassion."

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    1. Neutral not Neutered   3 hours ago

      People living in North America dates back at minimum 22000 years...

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      1. Mother's Lament   1 hour ago

        Yeah, "Clovis First" is really taking an ass-kicking lately.

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    2. Incunabulum   2 hours ago

      'Cared for'?

      I think they mean 'exploited'. Nature doesn't need to be cared for, it just is.

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    3. Incunabulum   2 hours ago

      Also, 'before colonization'?

      Who are the Dakota if not colonizers? They colonized North America. Humans are only native to a small area in Africa.

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    4. TrickyVic (old school)   1 hour ago

      Land acknowledgments are spiking the football of land grabs.

      Yes we want to acknowledge we took this from you, so there.

      Either give them the land back or shut up. They don't need to be reminded you took the land from them.

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    5. damikesc   57 minutes ago

      Until they ALSO say "...and we're giving it all back", I do not give two shits about their virtue signaling BS.

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  42. VinniUSMC   4 hours ago

    "These children were probably praying when they were shot to death at catholic school," wrote Rep. Maxwell Frost (D–Fla.) on X. "Don't give us your fucking thoughts and prayers."

    Who is "us"?

    Stupid Florida cunt.

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    1. Michael Ejercito   4 hours ago

      Would she prefer that Trump send the National Guard?

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  43. Medulla Oblongata   4 hours ago

    WSJ: In Trump’s Second Term, a Bolder President Charges Ahead Unchecked

    Obama to Russian President Medvedev: "This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility."

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  44. Uncle Jay   4 hours ago

    "Maybe Prayer Isn't Bullshit."

    ...especially in you're in a life-or-death situation.

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  45. SRG2   2 hours ago

    Liz has confused two things - whether prayer has a positive effect on those who pray, and whether it has a positive effect on what or who is being prayed for.

    The answer to the former question is, generally yes, and to the latter question, no,

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    1. Mother's Lament   2 hours ago

      All the fedora's are being tipped here today.

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  46. Incunabulum   2 hours ago

    Its always creepy how unified and on-message Democrats are.

    This thoughts and prayers thing. The 'Vance is weird' thing. The 'American Eagle thing was all conservatives'. They all, at the same time, roll out the same memetic attack, they all push it, they all drop it at the same time when it fails to work (again).

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    1. Mother's Lament   2 hours ago

      It's absolutely baffling to me how they keep on saying they need to reengage with the working class and young men, and yet time and time again do upper class social signaling that deliberately antagonizes those groups as their pat response.

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      1. damikesc   56 minutes ago

        I love how conservatives are "a cult" while they get the precise wording on all issues nearly instantly.

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  47. Mother's Lament   2 hours ago

    4chan is suing the UK government over their speech laws. The opening is quite something.

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  48. Use the Schwartz   1 hour ago

    "Prayer is not freaking enough. Prayers does not end school shootings. Prayers do not make parents feel safe sending their kids to school. Prayer does not bring these kids back. Enough with the thoughts and prayers."

    This is how you lose the black vote, they should keep on pushing this line.

    BTW I'm an atheist, so I don't think prayer is anything other than self-affirmation and goal-setting. But, I can recognize terrible tactics.

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  49. JFree   37 minutes ago

    I have noticed that the more people talk about prayer, the fewer ethics they bring to the discussion. Wonder why that is.

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