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Voting

Most Americans Oppose Trump's Plan To Ban Mail-In Voting

Most voters support submitting ballots by mail, and also voter ID.

J.D. Tuccille | 8.25.2025 7:00 AM

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President Donald Trump has long complained about the way Americans vote. He thinks it's too easy to cast a ballot without proving your identity, and it bothers him that people can vote by mail without visiting a polling place. On the first point, he has a winning issue. Americans overwhelmingly agree that no ballots should be cast until voters show ID. But when it comes to mail-in ballots, he's up against public opinion since most people really like the opportunity to vote remotely.

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No Real Democracy With Mail-In Ballots?

"You can never have a real democracy with mail-in ballots," Trump commented last week in response to a reporter's question. "And we, as the Republican Party, are going to do everything possible to get rid of mail-in ballots. We're going to start with an executive order that's being written right now by the best lawyers in the country to end mail-in ballots because they're corrupt. You know that we're the only country in the world—I believe, I may be wrong, but just about—the only country in the world that uses them."

Whatever the flaws, real or imagined, of voting by mail, Trump is wrong in his claim that the U.S. stands alone in permitting the practice. Around the world, a dozen countries permit all voters to mail their ballots according to the International Institute for Democracy and Electoral Assistance. These countries include Canada, Germany, Greece, and New Zealand. Another 20 countries—including Australia, France, the Netherlands, and Spain—allow some people to vote through the mail if they're traveling, incapacitated, imprisoned, or otherwise unable to get to a polling station.

Voting by Mail Is Very Popular

All this is to say that dropping a ballot in a mailbox has a fair bit of popularity beyond the borders of the United States. It's also very well-liked within the country. In Arizona, where I live, almost 90 percent of votes are cast early, the vast majority of them by mail. In eight states—California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon, Utah, Vermont, and Washington—mail-in voting is the default means of holding elections (Utah will require voters to request postal ballots rather than automatically receive them starting in 2029).

"All 50 states allow some form of absentee/mail-in voting. Fourteen states require voters to provide an excuse to vote by mail. The other 36 states do not require an excuse," reports Ballotpedia.

According to recent polling by Pew Research, "a 58% majority of Americans favor allowing any voter to cast their ballot by mail if they want to." As with so many matters these days, there's a partisan divide on the issue. "Today, 83% of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents support no-excuse voting by mail, while 68% of Republicans and Republican leaners oppose it."

That is, Republicans agree with the president that mail-in voting should go, but they're overwhelmed by everybody else, who want to keep the practice.

Last year, an almost identical 60 percent of respondents to a Gallup poll favored "sending absentee ballot applications to all eligible voters prior to an election."

Undoubtedly, convenience plays an important role. It's far easier to get a ballot filled out when you have the time and then drop it off than it is to carve out a piece of the day to get to the polling station and work through a lengthy list of candidates and propositions. Last year, in eight of Arizona's 15 counties, ballots extended for two double-sided pages, printed on 17-inch-long paper. If you're going to need to trudge your way through something that looks like an SAT answer form, a little extra leeway to do the chore at your kitchen table can be a blessing.

The President Can't Just Ban Mail-In Voting

Fortunately for those Americans who've become accustomed to choosing their preferred control freaks and bad policies from the comfort of home, it's highly unlikely Trump can achieve what he wants through executive order.

UCLA law professor Rick Hasen writes that there is "nothing wrong or illegal about" Trump's plan to advocate against mail-in voting and "there can be a debate about these things."

"But part of the post says that Trump is going to sign an executive order purporting to direct how the midterm elections will be run, on the theory that states are merely an 'agent' of the federal government in counting and tabulating the votes," he added. "This is wrong and dangerous. The Constitution does not give the President any control over federal elections."

"He said he was going to lead a movement in order to accomplish this, and he can certainly do that," agrees Northeastern University law professor Jeremy Paul. "But what he can't do is just sign an executive order and eliminate mail-in ballots."

Legislative action would be required to eliminate mail-in voting across the United States. That could be done at the state level or, possibly, by Congress at the federal level.

Paul sees little chance that Congress will ban mail-in voting, given the popularity of the practice. Hasen points out that, even if federal lawmakers act, that wouldn't affect state and local elections since Congress only has authority over federal contests under Article I, Section 4 of the Constitution.

The president can push his allies to change the law at the state level, but even solidly Republican Utah only made people ask for mail-in ballots rather than receive them by default. Remember, most people like voting this way.

Voter ID Has Even Higher Support

Where Trump has much more support is on the issue of voter ID. The Pew survey that found high support for mail-in voting revealed even greater support (83 percent) for "requiring all voters to show government-issued photo identification to vote." That was right in line with last year's Gallup poll in which 84 percent of respondents favored "requiring all voters to provide photo identification at their voting place in order to vote." Pew also found 84 percent support for "requiring electronic voting machines to print a paper backup of the ballot." That indicates some public sympathy for the president's suspicions about the voting process.

But when it comes to banning the practice of filling out ballots at home and dropping them in the mailbox, Trump stands in relatively isolated company. Americans may have voted for the current White House resident and his supporters, but they don't want to wait in line at a polling station to do so.

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  1. Dogvalor   10 hours ago

    No they don't, and I don't care what bullshit polls or surveys you Dems constructed to support it. Mail-in ballots are inherently insecure and has no place in a functional society.

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    1. MollyGodiva   8 hours ago

      Repeating the same lie over and over does not make it true.

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      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   7 hours ago

        Said a week after yet another dem candidate caught stuffing ballots lol.

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        1. MollyGodiva   6 hours ago

          Cite?

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          1. Neutral not Neutered   6 hours ago

            Easy google searches, do it yourself.

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            1. Spiritus Mundi   5 hours ago

              Socialist never do any work themsleves. That is societies job to provide for them.

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          2. Moderation4ever   6 hours ago

            Thin air, 2025. There is your citation.

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            1. Spiritus Mundi   5 hours ago

              Michigan city councilman caught on camera stuffing election drop box with absentee ballots days before primary

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              1. Moderation4ever   3 hours ago

                First the fact that the activity was caught supports the idea that election are fair and without fraud. Second it does not seem clear that activity was illegal. Michigan rules on ballet harvesting are not really clear. Finally this is a council race typically non-partisian and so this is not a dem.

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                1. damikesc   3 hours ago

                  "First the fact that the activity was caught supports the idea that election are fair and without fraud."

                  ...caught after the election. Gee, no concerns.

                  "Second it does not seem clear that activity was illegal. Michigan rules on ballet harvesting are not really clear. Finally this is a council race typically non-partisian and so this is not a dem."

                  Gee, cannot figure why anybody would have issues with the idiotic voting laws.

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            2. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   4 hours ago

              Oopsie! Maybe you should show some humility and admit your mistake now.

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        2. mad.casual   3 hours ago

          Week? Are we going strictly by ballot stuffing or just cheating?

          Minnesota Democratic–Farmer–Labor Party stripped the party's endorsement of radical leftist Minnesota state Sen. Omar Fateh in the Minneapolis mayoral race over "brazen cheating."

          If his BIL was *also* convicted and sentenced for mishandling absentee ballots, is that close enough?

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      2. Pear Satirical (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   5 hours ago

        Would you like the security video of literal ballot stuffing in Connecticut?

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        1. MollyGodiva   4 hours ago

          Yes.

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    2. Rossami   6 hours ago

      Mail-in ballots are not inherently any less secure than in-person voting. Yes, mail-in ballot fraud is possible. So is in-person ballot fraud. There are techniques that can make both more reliable but neither will ever be perfect.

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      1. Vernon Depner   4 hours ago

        That's ridiculous. Unsolicited mail-in ballots are completely insecure. There's no way to know who filled them out and sent them in.

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        1. Moderation4ever   1 minute ago

          First off let me commend you for understanding the difference between mail-in ballots and absentee ballots. But let me also point out the ballots are not unsolicited because they are sent out to registered voters who have requested to vote.

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      2. damikesc   3 hours ago

        Adding more people into the chain of custody of a ballot does not increase security of said ballot.

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      3. Incunabulum   2 hours ago

        In person ballots don't allow you to do ballot harvesting.

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  2. tracerv   10 hours ago

    Get off your lazy ass and go vote in person. It's not that hard.

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    1. MollyGodiva   8 hours ago

      Why? Voting in person is quaint and there are better ways to vote.

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      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   7 hours ago

        Easier ways to commit election fraud*

        Fixed for you.

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      2. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   3 hours ago

        There are not. But you are a Democrat, and pro election fraud.

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    2. GroundTruth   7 hours ago

      This!

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    3. Liberty_Belle   4 hours ago

      Excuse me, just how the heck are you going "get off your lazy ass and vote" as a deployed military personnel ? You know, the most prolific voting group that uses mail-in absentee ballots .

      Next would be overseas US residents and the elderly who can't easily get to a polling place (or easily get to anywhere , really).

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      1. Vernon Depner   4 hours ago

        They can use absentee ballots. Unsolicited mail-in ballots are a solution to a non-existent problem.

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      2. damikesc   3 hours ago

        Absentee ballots and mass mail-in voting are utterly different things. Absentee ballots, bare minimum, require some reason why you need an absentee ballot.

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      3. Incunabulum   2 hours ago

        1. Don't care about overseas residents.

        2. If you are too old to get out of the house you are too old to vote - you are not voting by mailing anyway, you are being exploited by ballot harvesters.

        3. The majority of .military personnel are inside the US. They could make arrangements to vote federally at local polling places. Oh, and most military - like most people their age - do not vote even with the military's programs to push them to do so.

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  3. Fist of Etiquette   10 hours ago

    Convenience always comes at a price.

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  4. sarcasmic   9 hours ago

    Anything that contradicts Trump is a lie. So those polls about mail in voting are lies. Job reports are lies. Price reports are lies. The numbers are all lies. Trump declares what reality is, and anyone who says otherwise is an authoritarian leftist liar.

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    1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   9 hours ago

      Poor sarc. No ideas™ !

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      1. TrickyVic (old school)   7 hours ago

        Sarc's mind is rent free living for Trump.

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  5. Kemuel   9 hours ago

    Mail-ins are particularly susceptible to ballot harvesting. In my state before COVID this fact was undisputed and vote by mail was limited to those who actually needed it, invalids and active military. While I support a return to this policy, we don't need a top-down federal mandate.

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    1. MollyGodiva   8 hours ago

      How can one harvest mail ballots? It would be very hard.

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      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   7 hours ago

        This is why youre called doc retard.

        Multiple examples of harvesting including paying for unused ballots as well as registering as other people to get their ballots. God damn Tony.

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        1. MollyGodiva   4 hours ago

          Unused mail ballots are not valid and not counted. Each ballot envelope is tracked to a particular person.

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          1. Vernon Depner   4 hours ago

            Bullshit. We have no way of knowing who submitted an unsolicited mail-in ballot.

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          2. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   3 hours ago

            Nope. Some people automatically receive multiple ballots based on different addresses, am dove multiple states. But you go ahead and continue to be willfully obtuse. We expect that, as you are a moron and a democrat drone.

            Or better, just commit suicide Tony. Malignant Marxists like you have no right to exist.

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          3. damikesc   3 hours ago

            Cite?

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      2. TrickyVic (old school)   7 hours ago

        https://www.findlaw.com/voting/how-u-s-elections-work/ballot-harvesting-what-is-it-how-does-it-work.html

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        1. MollyGodiva   6 hours ago

          You are willingly confusing absentee ballots and mail-voting. Similar but different concepts.

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          1. Kemuel   6 hours ago

            Similarly susceptible to ballot harvesting, so your point is moot.

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            1. MollyGodiva   4 hours ago

              Not really. Both are secure.

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              1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   3 hours ago

                Nope. You saying that doesn’t undo all the democrat voter fraud. And you’re lucky I’m not in charge. There would be no more democrats, and Marxist slime like you would lose their freedom, at a minimum.

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              2. damikesc   3 hours ago

                Cite?

                You keep making claims with nothing backing them up.

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              3. See.More   2 hours ago

                Both are secure.

                You are either willfully deluded... or intentionally lying.

                Which is it?

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    2. Neutral not Neutered   6 hours ago

      Yes it is necessary because Dem states leave blank ballots lying around for anyone to fill in with a fake person and the ballots are counted.

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      1. MollyGodiva   4 hours ago

        When did this happen? Something like this would be too easy to detect.

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        1. Vernon Depner   4 hours ago

          It would be impossible to detect.

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        2. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   3 hours ago

          Tony, dozens of incidents, some now resulting in convictions, have been linked here in the comments for years now. So just stop.

          Chemjeff, your pedophile fellow traveler, pulls that ‘I have no idea what you’re talking about’ bullshit every day. And you’re even dumber than him.

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  6. Mickey Rat   9 hours ago

    Thinking it is too easy to cast a ballot without ID and favoring mail-in voting are fundamentally incompatible positions. Mail-in ballots have obvious security issues. We are essentially arguing to do something potentially foolish because it is allegedly popular that also is incompatible with another popular position that rationally addresses a legitimate concern. This is also a problem with deciding policy by opinion poll, as such polls are easily manipulated by the organization running it.

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    1. mad.casual   8 hours ago

      This is also a problem with deciding policy by opinion poll, as such polls are easily manipulated by the organization running it.

      Assuming the issue in question is even a matter of (public) opinion is an unavoidable manipulation out-of-the-gate. That's why we're a Republic.

      Even distributed, internet-based, popular issue voting would be more available, responsive, secure, and tractable.

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    2. Wizzle Bizzle   7 hours ago

      "Thinking it is too easy to cast a ballot without ID and favoring mail-in voting are fundamentally incompatible positions."

      This is obviously true. And given that 58% approved of mail-in voting while 83% wanted voter ID, you have an overlap of at least 1/3 of the electorate who are apparently too stupid to draw a line between two dots.

      I personally think the rise of the idiot voter and "Rock the vote" has done way more damage to our democracy than mail-in voting. I want to un-rock the vote. Acknowledging the baggage it carries, a national poll test would go a long way. Hard for me to believe anyone who can't name the three branches of government or name their sitting governor should have a hand in selecting any of our representatives.

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      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   7 hours ago

        Some states have started requiring last 4 if social or state ID on their mail in ballots. Probably the overlap.

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        1. Wizzle Bizzle   6 hours ago

          I can't believe I'm saying this, but you appear to have more confidence in voters than I do. I hope you feel dirty. 😉

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        2. Roberta   6 hours ago

          But they're just numbers. Anyone can write anybody's in.

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      2. Neutral not Neutered   6 hours ago

        Those who want voter ID but also agree to mail in ballots expect the mail in ballot to be secured and personally requested by someone proving their identity. Which can be done.

        The issue is boxes of blank ballots being distributed and no ID checks, not even signature verification in Blue States.

        Then you have NY allowing anyone to vote regardless of citizenship...

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    3. GroundTruth   7 hours ago

      Came here to say just about this.

      It's either / or. Either you want security, or you want convenience.

      And, aside from the Super Bowl, it's one of the few things that we all do together as a nation.

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    4. MollyGodiva   6 hours ago

      What obvious security issues? I am am looking for real ones,not MAGA imaginary ones.

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      1. Roberta   6 hours ago

        The security issue of getting a ballot from someone it purports to be from but is not. Isn't it obvious?

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        1. MollyGodiva   6 hours ago

          How would that work? Every ballot is bar coded and people get updates when their ballot is received and counted. Will the person just not realize that they "voted" when they did not send back a ballot?

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          1. Neutral not Neutered   6 hours ago

            WTF? States mass distribute ballots, mailing to every address where someone was registered. People move yet the ballot is at the home they previously lived in. People use addresses that are not eligible for residences but the ballots arrive there.

            But worse is the blank ballots left around for anyone to fill in. And when there is no signature or ID verification, the ballot is counted.

            If you want a mail in ballot you should be required at some point to prove who you are before you receive the ballot in the mail.

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            1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   3 hours ago

              That would make it hard for Antony to enable illegals to vote for his democrat overlords.

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    5. Roberta   6 hours ago

      It's funny how Jerry Jr. can report these facts without saying something about the inherent contradiction therein. Would the poll respondent think about this if the questions were juxtaposed? Or do they think there's some technical solution that would allow mail ballots along with identification of the casters? Maybe fingerprinting?

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    6. Vernon Depner   4 hours ago

      I think people who favor both mail-in ballots AND voter ID are confusing unsolicited mail-in ballots with requested absentee ballots.

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      1. Neutral not Neutered   54 minutes ago

        ^Yup^

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  7. Homer Thompson   9 hours ago

    From Google AI:

    Countries with widespread mail-in voting
    Several European nations make mail-in or postal voting widely available for domestic voters:
    Germany: Postal voting is common and available to all voters who apply for it.
    United Kingdom: You can apply for a postal vote for all elections, for a specific period, or for a single election.
    Switzerland: Around 90% of voters cast their ballots by mail in federal elections. Postal voting is widespread and a normal part of the electoral process.
    Spain: For European elections, voters can request to vote by mail.
    Countries with restrictions or a ban

    Other countries restrict or outright ban mail-in voting for domestic elections:
    France: Banned mail-in voting for domestic elections in 1975 due to concerns about fraud. It does, however, allow for proxy voting and postal voting for citizens living abroad.
    Ireland: Does not generally allow citizens living abroad to vote in European elections.
    Czechia, Malta, and Slovakia: Do not permit their citizens to vote from abroad in European elections.

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    1. Homer Thompson   9 hours ago

      are we talking about mail-in ballots or voting abroad?

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    2. Social Justice is neither   8 hours ago

      Germany bans people or parties they don't like from running.
      UK ignores voters, coups leadership and jails people for speaking.

      Not really great examples. Then you have the bridges ballots got sent to or the multiple ballots sent to non-tenents in 2020 that I'm sure weren't harvested and misused at all because politicians are so honest.

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      1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   3 hours ago

        And democrats are absolutely above reproach, if you dispute that you get canceled, investigated, and become the subject of lawfare if you keep pushing.

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    3. Neutral not Neutered   6 hours ago

      Notice how it says "voters can apply". This is what is missing in Blue States. There is a big difference because when you apply you prove who you are and therefore your ballot is eligible.

      Only America does the wide spread mail outs and leaves blank ballots sitting around.

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    4. Vernon Depner   4 hours ago

      "Apply for it." "Can request." Those are very different from dumping ballots out of helicopters like in Arizona and other states. Mail-in ballots are NOT the same thing as requested absentee ballots.

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  8. Set Us Up The Chipper   9 hours ago

    Eating donuts and pizza is also incredibly popular.

    Stand your fat lazy ass in line to vote with your ID and STFU.

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    1. mad.casual   8 hours ago

      Right. Making your password "password" or "12345678" or "bosco" is really popular too. Fuck the idiots who impose the cost of a post office on the rest of and then say, "You can't make me use a more secure method!"

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  9. SQRLSY   9 hours ago

    The REAL fix here and the REAL objective is to disallow all snot-for-Trump votes!!!

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/24/politics/trump-election-warnings-leaving-office/index.html
    A list of the times Trump has said he won’t accept the election results or leave office if he loses.

    Essential heart and core of the LIE by Trump: “ANY election results not confirming MEEE as Your Emperor, MUST be fraudulent!”
    September 13 rally: “The Democrats are trying to rig this election because that’s the only way they’re going to win,” he said.

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    1. TrickyVic (old school)   7 hours ago

      Ha, what an idiot.
      Those links are from 2020. Trump did in fact leave the Whitehouse so Biden could take over.

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      1. SQRLSY   6 hours ago

        Only just barely, did He leave the White House!!!

        You know, Shitler was thrown into jail after the beer-house putsch attempt. Butt Shitler rose again later, and we all know twat was the result. So now you just wait till you can see twat the Orange Shitler will do later!

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      2. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   3 hours ago

        I see a couple of gibbering grey boxes. This is how they should be dealt with…..

        https://www.youtube.com/shorts/KPKj23QtETw

        That’s how you deal with a feral SQRLSY.

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          https://rentahitman.com/ … If’n ye check ’em out & buy their service, ye will be… A Shitman hiring a hitman!!!

          If’n ye won’t help your own pathetic self, even when given a WIDE OPEN invitation, then WHY should ANYONE pity you? Punk Boogers, if your welfare check is too small to cover the hitman… You shitman you… Then take out a GoFundMe page already!!!

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  10. mad.casual   8 hours ago

    The President Can't Just Ban Mail-In Voting

    Very well. Abolish the post office.

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  11. jimc5499   8 hours ago

    What "security" is there in a Mail in Ballot? In the 2020 Election the Governor and Secretary of State of Pennsylvania ordered the destruction of the outer envelopes of mail in ballots. The outer envelope contains the information necessary for verification of the ballot. State Law states that a ballot without an outer envelope is invalid and shall not be counted. The Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruled in 2022 that the Governor and SoS were wrong and violated the Law. Nothing was done, because they had "good intentions".
    That right there says all that needs to be said for the security of mail in ballots.

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    1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   7 hours ago

      Dont even have to go there.

      2 elections have now been overturned due to mail in ballots fraud.

      Many convictions have occurred due to arresting and registering under other names.

      Just last week this occurred.

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  12. AT   8 hours ago

    Americans overwhelmingly agree that no ballots should be cast until voters show ID. But when it comes to mail-in ballots, he's up against public opinion since most people really like the opportunity to vote remotely.

    You can have one or the other. You can't have both.

    And we're going with Voter ID.

    I would be willing to consider mail-in voting only if it came with internet verification. But that verification has to be stringent. I'm talking a total surrender of your internet privacy. You want that vote cast online, you have to show the ballot (with its number) along with your ID, SS Card, Birth Certificate, and submit to both a facial recognition and thumbprint scan. The internet verification gets matched up when the ballot is received. That ballot is counted if and only if it's 100% certain it's yours.

    The State'll do its best to protect the privacy of your ballot choices - and if you're that concerned about it (or your vote not being counted because it's there's even a 1% potential discrepancy), in-person voting will still be available.

    And since I know nobody will go for that, we're back to: You can have one or the other. You can't have both.

    And we're going with Voter ID.

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    1. DaveM   7 hours ago

      No, you were right the first time: you can't have both privacy and security when you transfer information over a public medium such as the internet. You have to give up the one to have the other.

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    2. Neutral not Neutered   6 hours ago

      No internet verification. In the months before the election the person can find the opportunity to verify identity and request the mail in ballot. The ballot is mailed to them when they are issued.

      Unless a person applies then there should be no ballot sent. Colorado does wide spread mail outs of ballots.

      Many Blue States drop off cases of blank ballots at the old folks homes, palliative care facilities, etc, and large care centers where employees can sit down and fill out the ballots for patients...

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      1. Vernon Depner   4 hours ago

        I can confirm this—have seen it first-hand at our local nursing home.

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      2. AT   3 hours ago

        Hard no.

        If you have a ballot in possession, you hold that thing up on camera along with your ID, SS Card, Birth Certificate, and submit to multiple forms of physical identification, or we strike the ballot number as likely fraudulent and don't count the vote.

        The only acceptable mail-in vote is one that is a thousand - no, a million times harder to cast than just showing up to the polls and showing your ID.

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        1. Neutral not Neutered   49 minutes ago

          Not sure which state you are relating this too but that is not how it is in every state.

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  13. MollyGodiva   8 hours ago

    The only argument hai at mail voting is that tit makes voting harder, and that argument only works for those who want to make voting harder.

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    1. AT   7 hours ago

      Why should voting be easy?

      Your rights aren't entitlements. It's your responsibility to put in the effort to exercise them.

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      1. Kungpowderfinger   6 hours ago

        Why should voting be easy?

        It’s not about making voting easy, it’s about making voting fraud easy.

        Why do you think the fucking Democrats that own California mandate all registered voters get mailed ballots automatically?

        https://www.nbclosangeles.com/video/news/local/stolen-mail-in-ballots-found/2890459/

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        1. MollyGodiva   5 hours ago

          Democrats believe that government should lower barriers to voting. Ask yourself why Republicans are hell bent in making voting harder?

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          1. Neutral not Neutered   5 hours ago

            They are not. Are you still believing all the lies about Georgia and Texas voting laws? You can go into the state websites and search yourself to understand there is no restrictions, ID is free and even homeless people can vote!

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          2. Vernon Depner   4 hours ago

            Holding a secure, auditable election requires a little effort. People who won't vote because they are unwilling to give that tiny effort can fuck off.

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            1. MollyGodiva   4 hours ago

              Yet oddly it is always the Republicans who engage in efforts to make less secure elections.

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              1. Vernon Depner   3 hours ago

                You're hallucinating.

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              2. Chumby   3 hours ago

                Parody account that is also racist against black people living in DC.

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        2. Neutral not Neutered   5 hours ago

          And guys strung out on drugs sitting in their car somehow end up with cases of blank ballots? My question is, were the drugs part of the package as payment for the recipient to then fill out the ballots and drop them off in the various ballot drop off boxes?

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        3. damikesc   2 hours ago

          Colorado went that route and went hard Democrat quite soon afterwards.

          Just a coincidence.

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      2. MollyGodiva   6 hours ago

        Dude, the whole concept of a "right" is that you automatically have it. And yes they are entitlements. Of course one should never need to put in an effort to exercise a right?
        What type of fascist bullshit are you peddling?

        This reinforces my point that MAGAs are dumb ass fascists who are an enemy to the US.

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        1. AT   6 hours ago

          Does your 1A come with a stage to speak on, or a church to pray in?

          Does your 2A entitle you to a gun, or do you have to go out, earn some money, pay for it, pay for ammo, learn how to use it, etc?

          Does 5A entitle you to property?

          Does your 6A entitle you to any attorney you want free of charge?

          The answer is no. To every one of them.

          The same goes for the VRAs. You have the right to vote if you're qualified to do so. But you still have to put in the work - of your own volition - to cast it. You are owed nothing when it comes to being provided the means to do so. You either value your vote enough to exercise it, or you don't.

          Amazing how you can know so little about your very own Constitution, but then seem to think you're intelligent enough to use big words like "fascist" that you also don't know the meaning off.

          Go back to 6th grade civics, clown world.

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          1. MollyGodiva   5 hours ago

            The government is already mandated to provide ballots to voters. So yes, voting is an entitlement and the government should not take the position that it is ok to put in unnecessary measures to make voting harder.

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            1. AT   5 hours ago

              The government is already mandated to provide ballots to voters.

              And they do. At the polling station.

              put in unnecessary measures to make voting harder.

              Again, why should it be easy?

              Do you also take this tack with 2A? Because I've been wanting a full-auto high-powered rifle for awhile now (packed with high-volume mags of rhino bullets), and the guv'mint has put in unnecessary measures to make exercising 2A harder.

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              1. MollyGodiva   4 hours ago

                There really is no way to show a MAGA that voting is different than rhino hunting. Morons all of them.

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                1. AT   4 hours ago

                  Oh no, the rounds aren't for shooting a rhinoceros, lol. Don't let the name fool you.

                  But seriously, your argument is "unnecessary measures" to make harder the exercise of a Constitutional Right.

                  And yet, oddly you don't want to apply it to 2A.

                  Also, you skipped over the fact that ballots ARE provided to voters - and this does not in any way justify or require mail-in.

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        2. Neutral not Neutered   5 hours ago

          You are confusing convenience with a right to vote.

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        3. Vernon Depner   4 hours ago

          There is no individual "right to vote" in federal elections. If the states decided to have their legislatures choose their electors and skipped a popular vote, that would be legal.

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        4. See.More   1 hour ago

          Dude, the whole concept of a "right" is that you automatically have it. . .

          Voting is not a "right" on par with Natural Rights like life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

          Compare the language of all of the Amendments regarding voting with the first ten Amendments. There is no language guaranteeing the right to vote. There is only language that specifies a select set of conditions under which voting cannot be denied. Nothing prevents denying people the ability to vote based on other conditions not enumerated in those several amendments.

          It would be constitutionally sound to limit voting to, say, net tax payers, or to only those with a valid ID that can prove their identity at the poll. Why? Because nothing says that "the right to vote shall not be infringed" and those two conditions (net tax payer and possessing a valid ID) are not conditions the Constitution prohibits for vote denial.

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  14. DaveM   7 hours ago

    I am a veteran volunteer poll worker. There are many reasons to oppose the widespread use of mail in ballots:

    1. They are not private. In my opinion this alone is enough to relegate them to edge cases such as absentee balloting out of country.

    2. The US mail system does not provide a chain of custody, and it does not guarantee delivery on time or even at all. A lost ballot disenfranchises the voter.

    3. If a mistake is made on a mailed ballot, it cannot be corrected. The information which links the ballot to the voter is separated before the ballot is attempted to be counted. Thus, any mistakes just invalidate the ballot. Again, the voter is disenfranchised.

    4. Mailed in ballots require many more steps to count than in person ballots. The more hands which touch a ballot, the more opportunity for mistakes, and the more expensive. Not a good trade off.

    5. Mail in ballots are much easier to attack. They sit unattended in collection boxes. They are certified by proxy, not by voters. They are physically transported several times from place to place.

    Now compare this to in-person balloting:

    - The voters identify themselves
    - They fill in their ballot in complete privacy
    - They personally put their ballots into the counting machine

    Anyone who believes that mail-in balloting is as good as in person voting is sadly mistaken. Never vote by mail unless you have no other alternative.

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    1. TrickyVic (old school)   7 hours ago

      ""1. They are not private. ""

      This alone makes me against them. Your vote should be private. The government should not be able to see who voted for who. Period.

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    2. Gaear Grimsrud   7 hours ago

      Thanks for the detailed comment. A lot of it is common sense but good to see someone nail down the specific issues. I voted absentee for many years because I was rarely in town on election day. I had to formally request a ballot every time. I never had any reason to doubt the process but I trust it much more when I actually put my ballot in the box in person. I'm home now and the state of Illinois wants me to sign up for lifetime mail in voting. I have declined. As long as I can still walk I'll be voting in person.

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    3. Ron   6 hours ago

      6. Our local Vote counter admitted on local radio that once they get to a statistical point they quit counting. which means the counters know which districts are heavily ballots certain political leanings and thus will ignore them until they can claim that statistically they can claim a winner and no longer have to count the remaining.

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    4. Moderation4ever   6 hours ago

      I am a poll worker of many years and I can tell you that mail-in ballots are as secure as in person voting. The only point DaveM makes that I can agree with is number 3. If you make an error on a mail-in ballot there it may not be counted and there is less opportunity for correction. This is a chance the voter takes takes when they use mail in ballots.

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      1. Neutral not Neutered   5 hours ago

        No when the ballots are simply wide spread mailed that opens the door for fraud.

        There was an elderly woman, I believe in Arizona, who went in to vote and was told she was not allowed. The worker said they had received her mail in ballot so she had already voted. Yet she never mail it in, she never saw it.

        This woman was adamant stating she had voted in person her whole life and went through the pains of doing so that day because she always voted in person. They refused her.

        She requested proof of the ballot and wanted to know who the candidate selected was. They would provide her no info, no evidence, no answers.

        She was disinfranchised and most likely because someone went around and gathered ballots from people's mail boxes and then filled them out dropped them off.

        This is where harvesting becomes an issue. Going door to door to "help" people fill out and then be the person to drop the ballot off in the box for the person happens far more than realized.

        End the wide spread mail outs. End the blank ballots dropped off and make people provide ID verification or there will be fraud.

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        1. Moderation4ever   5 hours ago

          Well I tried your earlier suggestion to google the case you mentioned and nothing came up. So I am wondering if you just made this up. What you did show is one of the poll worker's check on mail-in ballots. In Wisconsin if you received a ballot in the mail it is noted in the poll book and you can not vote in person. I would also suggest in the case you mentioned the woman would have cause to request a disputed ballot. A disputed ballot is tracked and you do lose the privacy of your vote but it allows you to vote in person with the validity of that vote determine later based on evidence.

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        2. Kemuel   3 hours ago

          She may have just thought it was a survey because no sane person who has been voting in person their entire life would expect to receive a genuine mail-in ballot/absentee ballot without requesting one. It's not one of the government's most rational ideas.

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      2. See.More   1 hour ago

        I am a poll worker of many years and I can tell you that mail-in ballots are as secure as in person voting. . .

        That is either a statement of ignorance or a complete and willful lie.

        The simple fact that mail-in ballots can be touched at multiple points by multiple people not even affiliated with the polling process and without documentation / chain-of-custody alone makes mail-in ballots objectively less secure than in-person voting.

        Consider these scenarios:
        * I get a mail-in ballot and throw it away. Some dude wandering by takes it out of my trash, fills it out, and mails it in.

        * I get a mail-in ballot, fill it out, and put it back in my mailbox with the flag up. Some dude takes it out of my mailbox, opens the envelope, manipulates the ballot, reseals the envelope, and drops it off at the post office.

        Tell me, are those things that some dude can do with my in-person vote?

        The two (in-person vs mail-in voting) are in no way just as secure as each other.

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      3. DaveM   38 minutes ago

        If the cumulative error rate for issues 2 and 3 (ballot not delivered + ballot not counted due to voter error) was routinely in double digits, would that change your mind? The non delivery rate for first class mail alone is in the high single digits.

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  15. car-keynes   7 hours ago

    So long as a court of law has validated a mail-in ballot prior to depositing it, I see no need to eliminate mail-in ballots.

    Voting early may hold more appeal.

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    1. Neutral not Neutered   5 hours ago

      Yes you must prove who you are and then your request for the mail in ballot will be completed.

      They mail you the ballot when they are available as you requested and then you fill it out and drop it off or mail it back. This is secure.

      Wide spread ballot mail outs in Blue States is not secure.

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  16. edbeau99   7 hours ago

    It is typical of Reason writers (but still unfortunate) that they just accept Democrat talking points without doing any actual research on their own. Yes, Canada has a process for mail in ballots. From the Elections Canada website, here is the process:

    Special Ballot Voting

    Any elector who cannot or does not want to vote at an advance or election day poll can apply to vote by special ballot. With a special ballot, you can vote by mail or in person at any Elections Canada office.

    Special ballot voting is also a great option if you are away from your riding whether inside or outside Canada.

    To vote, all electors must prove their identity and address. You must submit copies of your accepted ID either online or through mail or fax. See the options available to prove your identity. Once Elections Canada verifies your identity and address, you will receive a special ballot voting kit.

    [And if U.S. states followed the Canadian practice of only sending out mail ballots to those who have requested one, and fully identified themselves in advance, there wouldn't be a fuss over mail ballots.]

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    1. Gaear Grimsrud   7 hours ago

      Yeah that's nothing like the universal mail in balloting we have in a lot of US states.

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  17. Jerry B.   7 hours ago

    How do you provide a valid voter identification through the mail?

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    1. Neutral not Neutered   5 hours ago

      You don't. You go in and prove yourself and request the ballot to be mailed to you. This must be done in advance.

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    2. Longtobefree   4 hours ago

      Provide your in state driver's license/state ID card number, and request the ballot be sent to the matching address; works just fine for the handicapped.
      The process is private in that you fill out the ballot at home, and the actual ballot is in an inner envelope, not opened until after the address and signature on the outer envelope have been reviewed. The one who opens the inner envelope does not see the name or address, the one who sees the identification does not see the ballot.

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      1. Kemuel   3 hours ago

        At home is not the same as private. You may have a spouse, caregiver, or other cohabitant exerting pressure to vote a certain way. You'd think Democrats would be acutely aware of this issue. Since women are more likely to be victims of domestic violence, and more likely to be Democrats, it stands to reason that they would be more likely to face this unfortunate situation. An in-person vote is free of this kind of corrupting influence.

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  18. MollyGodiva   6 hours ago

    As normal, Trump is acting like an authoritarian dictator, but a stupid one.
    A smart one would do three things:
    1. Mandate all elections be be mail only.
    2. Mandate that only ballots received by election day count.
    3. Make sure that ballot deliveries from Democratic areas get delayed.

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  19. Chumby   6 hours ago

    In person with identity verified. Anything else is supporting corruption. Actual vote anonymous.

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  20. I, Woodchipper   6 hours ago

    Another 20 countries—including Australia, France, the Netherlands, and Spain—allow some people to vote through the mail if they're traveling, incapacitated, imprisoned, or otherwise unable to get to a polling station.

    that's called absentee balloting. it's not the same thing and you know it so why are you lumping them together?

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    1. Longtobefree   4 hours ago

      Conflating is the best tactic when you have no logical argument.

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  21. I, Woodchipper   6 hours ago

    A bunch of pollsters working for the DNC are telling you people don't support the thing the DNC opposes.

    yeah, you fell for it again.

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  22. Moderation4ever   6 hours ago

    Trump like so many other politicians wants to fix a problem that does not exist. Nothing new here.

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    1. Neutral not Neutered   5 hours ago

      LMFAO

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  23. Uncle Jay   6 hours ago

    Mail-in ballots are a necessity.
    Otherwise all those dead people in Illinois would have to stand in line for who knows how long, might have to show their newly printed ID to someone who is fascist enough to believe in election integrity, and then the dead wouldn't be able to vote for the democrat of their choice.
    So, support mail-in balloting, do not question the results and be grateful we live in a country that has a fraud-free electoral process.

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  24. I, Woodchipper   6 hours ago

    Anyone in favor of comprehensive mail-in balloting has only one goal in mind. They want to cheat. There is no other reason.

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    1. Moderation4ever   5 hours ago

      Except there is no evidence that people do cheat on any scale significant enough to affect the elections.

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      1. I, Woodchipper   5 hours ago

        I rest my case.

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      2. Vernon Depner   4 hours ago

        There wouldn't be any evidence. That's the problem.

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        1. Moderation4ever   3 hours ago

          Interesting so the lack of evidence is enough. I could accuse a person of a crime have no evidence and yet expect a conviction. Is that correct.

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          1. Vernon Depner   1 hour ago

            So, you're saying that if we make a crime so easy to commit that there is virtually no chance of getting caught, then we don't have to be concerned about anyone committing that crime. Breathtaking stupidity.

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            1. Moderation4ever   41 minutes ago

              Except that voting fraud is not that easy to commit and people get caught every election cycle. If people get caught trying to double vote or vote for a dead parent, why do you think it easy to commit large scale fraud

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              1. Vernon Depner   34 minutes ago

                We were talking about mail-in ballots.

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      3. See.More   1 hour ago

        Except there is no evidence that people do cheat on any scale significant enough to affect the elections.

        A lack of evidence is not evidence of a lack.

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        1. Vernon Depner   33 minutes ago

          Especially if a method of cheating has been intentionally created to leave no evidence after the fact.

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  25. Spiritus Mundi   4 hours ago

    England once followed rules similar to America’s. But in 2004, officials uncovered a massive fraud in Birmingham city council races. Six winning Labour candidates had acquired about 40,000 fraudulent absentee votes, mainly from Muslim neighborhoods. England responded by ending the mailing of absentee ballots and requiring in-person pickup with photo ID.

    France once had similarly loose rules. But in 1975, authorities exposed large-scale fraud on the island of Corsica, where dead people “voted” in the hundreds of thousands and widespread vote-buying flourished. France responded by banning absentee voting altogether.

    Don't worry, it won't happen here. Mainly because we refuse to look for fraud.

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  26. Liberty_Belle   4 hours ago

    So how are deployed military and overseas citizens supposed to vote then ?

    How are mobility impaired elderly supposed to vote ?

    How are people with small children supposed to vote ?

    Etc..

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    1. Vernon Depner   4 hours ago

      By absentee ballot. Which is NOT the same as unsolicited mail-in ballots. Try to keep up.

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      1. damikesc   2 hours ago

        For her, that WAS keeping up.

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  27. JohnZ   4 hours ago

    In Detroit voter fraud was out of control and anyone who could have stopped it was either locked out or arrested. The actions of the democrat party over the last 8 years have managed to turn middle America away and made enemies of working middle class Americans in favor of victim ideology and absurdities.
    The democraty Party should be very worried with the midterms coming up. It is projected they will lose as many as 35 seats in Congress. Not to mention the loss of governors and mayors.
    New York City, however, stands to be ruined even further as they will elect a known communist, thus, destroying whatever was left of the once great city. That is unless Trump takes action and arrest that Marxist maggot, tosses his arse in alligator Alcatraz.

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  28. TJJ2000   3 hours ago

    Kind of like asking people if they'd like to get a ?free? pony huh?
    Maybe there is a reason the USA wasn't founded on popularity contests.

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  29. Truthteller1   3 hours ago

    Bullshit. Tucille is a regime shill

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  30. Incunabulum   2 hours ago

    Most Americans want you to show if to vote.

    Most Americans want mail in ballots - which don't require id.

    Most Americans are stupid.

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  31. Incunabulum   2 hours ago

    Most Americans?

    Or most Democrats?

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  32. See.More   2 hours ago

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  33. See.More   1 hour ago

    Most Americans Oppose Trump's Plan To Ban Mail-In Voting

    Logically fallacy in play: argumentum ad populum (appeal to popularity). The fallacy poisons the conclusions.

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