Smithsonian Heat
Plus: The mindset behind wokeness, Trump adds to steel and aluminum tariffs, and more...

Trump's take on museums: "The Smithsonian is OUT OF CONTROL, where everything discussed is how horrible our Country is, how bad Slavery was, and how unaccomplished the downtrodden have been," President Donald Trump wrote on Truth Social yesterday. "Nothing about Success, nothing about Brightness, nothing about the Future. We are not going to allow this to happen, and I have instructed my attorneys to go through the Museums, and start the exact same process that has been done with Colleges and Universities where tremendous progress has been made."
"We have the 'HOTTEST' Country in the World, and we want people to talk about it, including in our Museums," he concludes.
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Though I'm doubtful that the purge will be done in a measured, nuanced way, I share many of his complaints. Here's a good New York Post piece on how New York's museums—the Metropolitan Museum of Art and the American Museum of Natural History—have become co-opted by a rather specific agenda, the exact one you'd expect. More to his specific point: One of the Smithsonian museums made waves when it released an absolutely wild graphic saying that being on time, liking bland foods, and adhering to the scientific method are white, based on the work of Tema Okun and Judith Katz. And presidential portraiture is in no way immune from grossly hagiographic representation, as detailed by Crispin Sartwell in Reason. Whether it's explicit, stupid wokeness or more subtle works of art that serve to bolster state power, there's something for every libertarian to hate if you spend enough time in our nation's museums!
The person actually running the initiative—per the March executive order that presaged this—is a woman named Lindsey Halligan, who seems…not all that bad. "We don't need to overemphasize the negative to teach people that certain aspects of our nation's history may have been bad," she told The Washington Post a few months ago. Doing so "just makes us grow further and further apart." ("If arts funding is to show 'who we are as Americans,' or to narrate our alleged communal experience, it is going to have to respond to the tastes of the American people, which at the moment run to autotuned hip hop and bro country," wrote Sartwell back in 2021, in a piece on how government-funded art always ends up as propaganda for the ruling class.)
Halligan, an avid Smithsonian museumgoer, said she's seen "exhibits that have to do with either another country's history entirely or art and sculpture that describes on the placards next to it that America and sculpture are inherently racist."
Might I suggest a better path forward? Starve the beast.
The Smithsonian, per The Washington Post, "receives about 60 percent of its funding from congressional appropriations and federal grants and contracts, according to fiscal 2023 numbers, but those funds cover operations, infrastructure and maintaining collections. Generally, exhibitions are funded by private donations." Though this isn't really within the purview of the executive, the Trump administration could exert pressure on Congress to stop funding the Smithsonian and make clear that the museums need to shift to being entirely privately funded. Then Bill Ackman and Alex Soros and whoever can duke it out and decide which types of stories about America get told, and taxpayers in Wisconsin who never get to avail themselves of"The Shape of Power: Stories of Race and American Sculpture" can save a buck.
UBI discourse: "Just give people money. It's the simple, brute-force solution to so many problems. In low-income countries, charities are sometimes measured against whether their interventions are better than simply giving people cash. Even in high-income countries like the U.S., when disaster strikes, often the best thing you can do is get money into the hands of affected people immediately. They know whether they should use it to buy gas, rent an Airbnb or fly to their cousin's house one state over," writes Kelsey Piper—former Just Asking Questions guest, former singularly sane person at Vox, and now writing for the new publication The Argument.
So it wasn't that crazy to assume—particularly once promising pilots were released—that the same should be true for addressing chronic poverty in high-income countries. If you give a new mom a few hundred dollars a month or a homeless man one thousand dollars a month, that's gotta show up in the data, right?
Alas.
A few years back we got really serious about studying cash transfers, and rigorous research began in cities all across America. Some programs targeted the homeless, some new mothers and some families living beneath the poverty line.
The long and short of it? No, such transfers didn't really do anything:
On so many important metrics, these people are statistically indistinguishable from those who did not receive this aid.…
The OpenResearch unconditional income study tried $1,000 per month for three years, while the control group got $50 per month. They found that participants worked less—but nothing else improved. Not their health, not their sleep, not their jobs, not their education, and not even time spent with their children. They did experience a reduction in stress at the start of the study, but it quickly went away.
Piper explores not just the results from these studies, but also, interestingly, what could be called a media cover-up: a sort of fishy-looking effort to obscure these results and greet universal basic income (UBI) as more positive and effective than it's been proven to be.
Scenes from New York: Hurricane Erin is making its way up the East Coast, closing beaches to swimmers in New York City today and tomorrow (a human rights violation if you ask me). The great news is that surfers get to take advantage of this wild swell, since the enforcers—NYC Parks and Rec personnel—don't go out in the water and can't catch 'em. Waves as high as 11 to 15 feet are expected on parts of Long Island on Thursday.
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- "In August 2025, after years of litigation in Portugal, [Wikimedia Foundation] complied with a court order to remove disputed material from Wikipedia and hand over identifying information on eight of its volunteer editors," writes Pirate Wires' Ashley Rindsberg. "The DePaço case is the first time WMF has both removed content and handed over contributor data in a European defamation case."
- We're getting pretty close to breaking 10,000 subscribers on the Just Asking Questions channel, which spun off from Reason's main YouTube a year ago. You should subscribe if you're interested in watching long-form conversations with Rob Henderson (on how elites can't quit peddling, and believing in, socialism); with Deb Fillman (on how K-12 schools both indoctrinate students and fail to teach them how to read); and—forthcoming, tomorrow!—with Megan McArdle (on how bad crime really is in Washington, D.C., what type of policing would actually help, and whether Trump deploying the National Guard is the right move).
- I think this is somewhat underdiscussed:
Sure. Many "wokes" (though surely not all and maybe not "wokism") hate not just the world of slavery but the contemporary world as well. They see its accomplishments as suspect. They are motivated to present it as deeply illegitimate, founded on oppression and injustice. https://t.co/TfpkKK3SRu
— Oliver Traldi (@olivertraldi) August 18, 2025
- Bad news:
On Friday, the Trump administration quietly expanded its steel/aluminum tariffs to cover hundreds of items that aren't aluminum or steel products "by any reasonable understanding of those words" - including dairy products!
Ridiculous stuff. pic.twitter.com/zPM3j4yweo
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Gift of Gabbard
Tulsi strips 37 of security clearances over Obama-ordered intel report that launched Russiagate.
https://thehill.com/homenews/5460562-tulsi-gabbard-revokes-clearances/
Boomers, she’s stripping CLEARANCES. Put the Viagra away.
How dare she remove the clearances of those who used said clearances as an opportunity to knowingly spread falsehoods and lie to the media.
This is fascist revenge! Mike and sarc will tell us how.
Molly will probably be along soon to tell us how unconstitutional and fascist it is.
Of course it is fascist. They are purging the government of people who are not seen as loyal enough to the regimen. Normal functioning democracies very rarely do this.
Lol.
Parody
I've given up discerning the dynamic and ever elusive Poe Horizon and just muted them all.
My life is better now.
But then whose stupidity do you laugh at?
I have some of them muted. And not like sarc, they are actually muted.
Same.
“Very rarely “ weasel words
If weasels used words and phrases, "very rarely" would be among the top. My personal favorite is "studies show."
“Some people say…”
“…she’s just Tony in drag. That she so fully retarded that she makes Shrike look bright. And that she needs to constantly check on the loose screws in her head.
“All we know is she’s called DR. RETARD!”
Incompetence is the highest sign of loyalty to democrats and doc retard. Followed closely by abuse of office.
Never right. Never in doubt. Always a fucking retard.
If you auto-defenestrated from a high floor, it would benefit everyone (other than the person you perhaps land upon, but that's an acceptable).
Like when Obama fired a bunch of generals?
None of these people are in the government currently.
Doesn't matter to Tony. Stripping the security clearance of people who no longer work for the government and instead use it to lobby for corporate interests is literally Hitler.
Right on fucking cue. Never change, Dr. Retard.
According to Molly weaponizing government is not fascist, stopping weaponizing government is fascist.
This sounds like a Russian misinformation campaign to me.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/22/tulsi-gabbard-sues-hillary-clinton-over-russian-asset-smear-102074
Yup. At least 50 former Obama era security agency sluts tell us that Tulsi is behaving exactly like a cartoon Russian agent would.
She's Natasha Fatale to Trump's Boris Badenov in poor Tony's eyes.
Moose and squirrel bleached the hard drive.
...how bad Slavery was...
Cue gif of Jonah Hill giving the throat slash gesture.
Unwanted, Dead or Alive
Russian hackers have reportedly breached the Ukrainian General Staff’s database, revealing catastrophic losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
According to the compromised digital registry, if the data is correct, Ukraine lost 1,721,000 troops killed or missing over three years of the conflict. The breakdown is:
118,500 in 2022
405,400 in 2023
595,000 in 2024
621,000 in 2025 — the heaviest year yet
- Russian BaZa
For those keyboard warriors eager to mouth hug Lindsay Graham, am guessing you think it was worth it.
I think our keyboard warriors secret hope is that with all the Ukrainian men dead, they will have no problems snagging a hot mail-order Ukrainian bride.
Those would be some immigrant visas I could support.
H1-DD visas?
Only brides that have young sons.
But check their "best by" dates. Those young Slavic hotties turn quickly into babushkas with hairy chins.
Would puberty blockers help?
I think you need menopause blockers.
Ukrainian women, at least under the age of 35ish, are indeed very hot.
"According to the British Ministry of Defence, more than one million Russian troops have been killed or injured since the full-scale invasion of Ukraine began on 24 February 2022.
The estimate aligns with a recent study by the US-based Centre for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), which puts Russian military deaths at up to 250,000 and total casualties, including the wounded, at over 950,000. Ukraine has suffered very high losses as well, with between 60,000 and 100,000 personnel killed and total casualties reaching approximately 400,000.
While precise wartime casualty figures are notoriously difficult to verify, the independent Russian outlet Mediazona has identified the names of more than 111,000 Russian military personnel killed, using official records, social media obituaries, and images of tombstones. The outlet believes the true death toll is significantly higher."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2025/jun/22/one-million-and-counting-russian-casualties-hit-milestone-in-ukraine-war
The Ukrainians are fighting for their sovereignty. What is Russia fighting for that is worth that much misery?
Russia is fighting to liberate the citizens that voted to leave the western backed globohomo color revolution installed puppet regime in Kiev. The ones that received genocide over seven years. The ones that were promised more autonomy through Minsk 2 but received artillery shells instead.
Ah yes, the "Sudetenland" excuse by Russian fomented insurrections.
You lap up Russian propaganda quite eagerly.
The people voted to leave. Keep ignoring that Kiev violated Minsk 2. Speaking of Adolf, how do you like US taxpayer dollars going to a Bandera sympathizer? Sieg heil, Junge.
You sound more like OBL every day [that is a compliment, by the way].
Sandra was a top shelf commenter, both as OBL and herself.
Top shelf commentators don't say Kamala has a 70% chance to be President and run down "Trumptards" for two plus years.
She's a fucking hack.
She had sound research and brought up pieces others didn’t; I disagreed with her nuanced weighting of the variables.
I don’t pull punches but never felt compelled to thrown them her way.
She’s libertarian; we aren’t clones.
"The people voted to leave.
So undemocratic.
Was the US involved in the Maidan Revolution?
The Ukrainians are fighting for their sovereignty. What is Russia fighting for that is worth that much misery?
Bringing the Russia-supporting areas in the Donbas into the Russian fold, and ultimately putting their own puppet back in charge of Ukraine rather than the current US puppet.
This idea that Ukraine has any kind of sovereignty is a pretense. They've been a vassal of either Russia or the US ever since the Soviet Union broke up.
This is why I said a while ago that this war is basically just another Slavic war of attrition. There's absolutely no subtlety or complex thought to how Slavs fight wars, even during World War II when the military was run with a basic sense of competency. And the reality is that Russia is far better equipped to win a war like this when they're fighting other Slavs, as opposed to Pashtun goat herders and Arab mercs with cutting-edge anti-tank and anti-air weapons supplied by CIA agents. The latter at least understood the value of hit-and-run tactics, which has frustrated great powers for decades now and hearkens back to their Parthian cousins.
The Ukies and Russkies don't operate like that. The "spring offensive" of a couple of years ago that all the big-brained "experts" in the federal government were talking up, ultimately landed like a wet fart because the holhols funneled their offensive through a kill zone that had every Russian artillery piece locked on it (that dumbass Lipstick Milley helped them put the plan together, incidentally). Even the Ukies' drone attacks, which to be fair are going to be a go-to capability in future conflicts, are employed as little more than blunt instruments.
I have been unable to believe anything with respect to this war. No idea what the current situation is and how many died in either side. I do know that no one is winning.
We have the 'HOTTEST' Country in the World...
Have you seen how we just let our Florida hang out there for everyone to see?
For foreigners to see? Sure. But no touchy or you'll get ICEd.
LOL
We have the 'HOTTEST' Country in the World...
Is this a reference to the Centralia mine fire that has been burning since 1962?
Probably not.
Damn you, DLAM, don't piss on my joke without properly making fun of me.
Sorry, didn’t realize it was a joke.
Well done! Now this is a DLAM level insult!
Mike tried claiming gmo turducken and HO2 was a joke too, after weeks of defending it.
Are you starting to believe your own lies?
Wasn’t it also White Mike that defended some piece of legislation being bipartisan when ONE republican supported it along with the normiecrats?
Well that's the reason way.
Turkmenistan would be the hottest.
Turduckenstan is so hot, people struggle to find enough HO2.
Does that make the Alabama coast the taint? And what is Texas?
the envy of most.
Portland, Oregon remains the unwiped butthole of the nation with a raging case of diarrhea.
Alabama can't be the taint because New Jersey is the anus. I suppose that makes Jacksonville, NC the taint, and Camp Lejeune taint-adjacent.
Don't mind me, I'll just be over here snacking on my crayons.
To Catch a MAPredator
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0g126ambumE
Shrike would fear this man should he start using male decoys.
He is already using multiple aliases to avoid detection. Fu Manchu being the latest.
And they are all retarded Bushpigs.
Though I'm doubtful that the purge will be done in a measured, nuanced way, I share many of his complaints.
The museums haven't exactly exhibited subtlety with their fire hoses blasting woke in patrons' faces.
Yeah, the history of the trans flag must draw in hordes of visitors.
Remember when the Smithsonian said that being courteous, and engaging in rational thinking and working hard were white values?
https://www.newsweek.com/smithsonian-race-guidelines-rational-thinking-hard-work-are-white-values-1518333
I saw that display myself. It was real.
So, POC values are irrational thinking, laziness, rudeness, and perpetual tardiness?
It is not what they said about whites, it's what was inferred about blacks.
Sounds like sub-Saharan Africa. Just add a dose of murder. (ducks)
Only one dose?
Likely with a few boosters.
The thing is that some groups like the Yoruba and the Igbo are more clever than a some European and Middle-Eastern groups, but there's a lot of other low IQ groups around them. There's a reason why the Bantu speakers conquered much of Africa in the last 3000 years.
Another problem that has held sub-Saharan Africa back in the civilization game is the lack of large rivers which civilizations almost always spring up around. They have the Nile in the north which obviously did it's job, but the Congo and the Zambezi are quite short, and there are very few natural costal harbors and inlets, making sea trade difficult.
Gotta keep 'em on the plantation. Denigration of behaviors that lead to success is a good tactic.
Ambition and self-reliance can lead to success and independence. And then what happens to dependence on big government? And jobs for socialist humanities majors?
I'm still confused by the "Intent counts" under the "Justice" heading.
The history of the trans flag exhibit probably draws thousands of very unhappy students every school year. So taxpayers get the privilege of paying for this garbage twice.
The museums haven't exactly exhibited subtlety with their fire hoses blasting woke in patrons' faces.
That's more of a function of academia operating as a marxist evangelical seminary now. These places are all run by people who spent about 6-8 years of school, and probably another decade or so after that, being marinated in critical theory and New Left shibboleths.
Yeah, Trump needs to purge the wokeism out of the Smithsonian, but it's not going to be to any effect until academia is brought to heel. Fortunately, they're doing a great job of cutting their own nose off to spite their face with their brazen anti-white, anti-male rhetoric, which is increasingly driving young men in particular away from both attending these propaganda mills, and in supporting their defunding.
Yes debanking was real. Yes it was done at the behest of Obama and Biden.
"Those pressures were very, very real. When your regulator gives you a suggestion, it’s not a suggestion, it’s an order. The political stuff is very real, those pressures are real," a senior banking executive told Fox News Digital.
The executives said that ambiguity in federal laws was exploited by regulators under the Obama and Biden administrations in order to pursue political objectives. According to one executive, banks were pressured to deny services to certain industries as part of Operation Choke Point and Operation Choke Point 2.0.
"When there’s ambiguity in the law, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and for a long time the beholder was the Obama and Biden administration," the official said.
A House Oversight Committee report found that "Operation Choke Point," a DOJ task force whose aim was to "choke out" legal companies disfavored by the Obama administration, worked with bank regulators to label certain industries, including firearms sales, as "high risk."
Trump ended "Operation Choke Point" in 2017 during his first term. However, a House Financial Services Committee hearing last week heard accusations that former President Joe Biden had rebooted the initiative and targeted crypto firms for debanking as part of "Operation Choke Point 2.0."
https://www.foxbusiness.com/media/bank-executives-blow-whistle-how-obama-biden-admins-pressured-them-debank-conservatives
So, not only did democrats do it first, but they also continued to do it.
Waiting for captain fuckhead to defend it or make it about Trump.
Debanking is free speech!
Muh privut kumpnee!
I wonder if debanking was used against civil rights activists during the 1950s and 1960s.
It didn't need to be subtle then. They just hung a Whites Only sign on the bank door.
What about all of the white civil rights activists? At least 1 of them was assassinated. Pretty famous, might've been a guy on a grassy knoll, who knows?
I think you’ll have to wait for Captain Fuckhead to get over his hangover from yesterday first.
I want to see Captain Fuckhead's costume. I like to think it includes soiled underwear worn on the outside of some cargo shorts and a picture of a plastic vodka bottle on the cape.
Please, man. Too early for that image.
"a picture of a plastic vodka bottle on the cape"
Ooo, fancy.
Mad Ballr is two bucks a can; 24 proof and comes in Kiwi Strawberry.
He is part of the Shakecasmic Four
I like it. Chase can be Johnny Storm. "Flame on!"
Nothing more libertarian than the government pressuring companies to debank its political opponents.
"My private company" was the mantra here if I remember rightly.
I can’t recall
Too local.
To paraphrase, no matter how much you hate Obama, you don't hate him enough.
ACA was enough. Setting race relatoons back 30 years was enough. Sue and settle was enough. Redirecting settlements to dem advocacy groups was enough.
How about puppeteering Brandon?
https://johnkassnews.com/russia-hoax-reveals-obama-as-more-devious-than-nixon/
Barack Obama is the new Nixon. There, I wrote it down and my name is on it. It’s not publicly approved speech yet, but it is no longer the Thought Crime it once was. Many Americans are thinking it. And some, like me, are saying out loud.
Barack Obama is our modern Nixon figure. Worse than Nixon, actually.
Nixon was considered devious. He was presented as demon by The Washington Post and most of the rest of American journalism as the devil who had to be crushed, his followers subjected to never ending ridicule, his political party was sent on a Walk of Shame. Facing certain impeachment conviction–the result of a botched burglary–Nixon resigned in 1974 rather than put the nation through more political hell.
And what of Obama, the creature and darling of the political left and the beloved of the Post, New York Times, my old paper the now-woke Chicago Tribune, what remains of corporate legacy media?
It was Obama who orchestrated the FBI and CIA to create what is now understood as the “Russia Collusion Hoax” and used it in attempts to destroy his political rival President Donald Trump. He set them like attack dogs on the American presidency, to rip it apart after the American people had elected Trump as their president. Once Obama’s cabal of Deep State secret intelligence chiefs were exposed, their methods opened to public scrutiny, the public began asking questions. The fall from grace is impossible for a political immortal.
WHY DO YOU CARE ABOUT A TAN SUIT!?!
David Brooks wants to know if there is a perfectly creased pant.
Generally, exhibitions are funded by private donations.
Expand those private donations to cover operations, too, and you can have all the Piss Christs you want.
But still no blasphemy against the lgbtqwtfbbq flag please.
And for all our sakes, don't make a Piss Muhammad.
You are now under a fatwah just for posting the words "Piss Muhammad".
Muhammad married and then bedded a 9-year-old. Fuck that pedophile deathcult.
He was also a theiving, mass murdering, slaver.
"married and then bedded a 9-year-old"
Married a 7-year-old and then two years later bedded a 9-year-old. He waited.
It was her turn?
I was going to write that, but I didn't want to be inflammatory.
I'm still surprised (not really) that we can burn an American flag, but defacing any version of a lgbtqwtfbbq flag is a hate crime.
Just remember, our speech is violence and their violence is speech.
Burning rubber on a rainbow cult branded crosswalk is genocide.
A used rubber?
But only if it's a private institution. Even if it's privately funded, the Smithsonian is a federal institution and should not be sanctioning those things. Cut it completely free and I don't care what it does.
Yeah this.
Ripples.
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/sp-reaffirms-us-credit-rating-citing-tariff-revenues-amid-fiscal-pressures
https://justthenews.com/nation/economy/sp-affirms-credit-rating-approves-trumps-tariffs-balance-tax-cuts
UBI discourse: "Just give people money.
Would the cost of everything not just go up proportionally? If it ever becomes truly universal, you've increased the money supply for everyone. Prices will adjust for it.
Ex. Everyone gets $1000 a month. 10% of your monthly income goes to groceries. Now that bill will increase by $100 a month (1000*.1). 25% of your monthly income goes to rent. Now that bill will increase by $250 a month (1000*.25).
No, because the money supply has not increased, they're just moving around who has the money.
Universal basic income. If they give everyone cash each month, people will have more cash.
^+1 And the printing presses will have to work overtime.
Just give everyone a million a year, right?
Um, good luck finding a loaf of bread. And if you find one, be ready to pay a bit more.
Giving it to everyone is not what matters. The trigger is if they take the money from elsewhere (including through taxation) or do they print the money.
They print the money.
its not like we experienced this exact same thing during covid when the government gave everyone money and then we had instant inflation. we tried it and it didn't work, why do they all ignore history
I suppose history, along with rational thinking, the scientific method, timeliness, any sense of urgency, and reliance on the written word is somehow white supremacy.
Though this isn't really within the purview of the executive, the Trump administration could exert pressure on Congress to stop funding the Smithsonian...
GOING NUCLEAR. How many children would die if the Smithsonian had to rely on private funds??? 30,000 in the first month? Federal judges, get on the case!
We're past the tipping point and in genuine Kafka country now.
NY appeals court seems to be slow playing the 500M Civil fine against Trump for not defrauding banks.
https://jonathanturley.org/2025/08/19/wsj-new-york-appellate-court-split-over-trump-civil-fraud-judgment/#comments
It's the simple, brute-force solution to so many problems.
Robin Hood certainly counted as a brute.
There is no crime in DC and Trumps plans aren't working.
Also...
DC Police Union: Carjackings down 83%, overall crime dropped 8% since federal assistance began
https://justthenews.com/nation/crime/dc-police-union-carjackings-down-83-overall-crime-dropped-8-federal-assistance-began
Former criminals now walking old ladies across the streets.
When will this horror end?
It's not down to zero percent, so it is a failure.
Lucky for LA the mayor there says there is no crime so I guess we won't see troops in LA
Carjackings aren’t that big of a deal.
Part and parcel of living in a big city.
Owning a car is a form of white supremacy anyways.
Pretty sure the whole concept of private property rights is white supremacy.
When I used to live in a subdivision, a neighbor ran into that with the HOA over some lawn ornaments. Apparently Tiger Woods lawn jockeys were not allowed.
"a neighbor"
Riiiiiight
The faces were painted in Cablinasian tones. Even had the Nike swoosh on the hat.
Hurricane Erin is making its way up the East Coast, closing beaches to swimmers in New York City...
Scratch out COVID and write in ERIN on the criminal citations.
Can I surf with a mask on?
In August 2025, after years of litigation in Portugal, [Wikimedia Foundation] complied with a court order to remove disputed material from Wikipedia and hand over identifying information on eight of its volunteer editors...
Try as you might, you aren't getting me to weep for Wikipedia editors, even if they weren't necessarily the leftist ones.
Which other ones are there?
"If arts funding is to show 'who we are as Americans,' or to narrate our alleged communal experience, it is going to have to respond to the tastes of the American people, which at the moment run to autotuned hip hop and bro country," wrote Sartwell back in 2021
This taste is now frumpy black women.
Even exporting it to other countries.
https://x.com/AFpost/status/1950994276386742299
To be fair, the sweatpants and t-shirt, a step down from the traditional national tuxedo... not on a horse leading a charge or hands raised to the sun or helping Lincoln break the shackles of slavery or musket in hand ushering fellow slaves to freedom or whatever... not even dressed as Aunt Jemima with a table full of food smothered in maple syrup for her family... it is about the most vacuous, mortgaged, accurate representation of 21st century Canada that I've seen. Like the request for commissioning it literally said "We need a statue that sends the message, 'Sorry.'"
On Friday, the Trump administration quietly expanded its steel/aluminum tariffs to cover hundreds of items that aren't aluminum or steel products "by any reasonable understanding of those words" - including dairy products!
The United States of America is foreign lactose intolerant. (As much as I dislike economic protectionism, we don't have enough cows here?)
And having to drink beer from an aluminum can is disgusting.
I'm as much a pretentious beer nerd as the next guy, but even I don't fall for the "you need an IPA glass for an IPA, or a tulip for a stout" nonsense.
The snippet clearly indicates that the tariff would apply to any aluminum and/or steel packaging and/or containers.
No, no. I've been reliably assured from sarc-like sources that it's all about banning inexpensive foreign dairy for starving American children.
Keystone Light in bottles?
This guy gets it.
Beer in cans does suit some activities. Making your wife carry a case in bottles on a backpacking trip is just mean.
Even bashing around in a jeep all day probably calls for cans.
BTW, best bumper sticker I ever saw was on a tricked-out jeep in Utah: My Other Toy has Tits
I think Bud Light offers its product in bottles too.
I'm actually a big fan of the trend of good beer being put in cans. It's better sealed and protected from light than bottles and much lighter and easier to dispose of the containers.
Boddington's with the carb-release can is pleasant.
UBI discourse: "Just give people money. It's the simple, brute-force solution to so many problems. In low-income countries, charities are sometimes measured against whether their interventions are better than simply giving people cash. Even in high-income countries like the U.S., when disaster strikes, often the best thing you can do is get money into the hands of affected people immediately. They know whether they should use it to buy gas, rent an Airbnb or fly to their cousin's house one state over," writes Kelsey Piper—former Just Asking Questions guest, former singularly sane person at Vox, and now writing for the new publication The Argument.
First... sane person? Pushing communism under the guise of nice libertarianism. How many failed UBI programs need to happen to convince you it doesn't work?
The long and short of it? No, such transfers didn't really do anything
Well, besides blowing trillions of dollars that we don’t have to begin with.
Real UBI has never been tried.
We're getting pretty close to breaking 10,000 subscribers on the Just Asking Questions channel,
And now everyone, unsubscribe!
That's like the saddest thing I've ever heard. Channels specializing on aquarium decoration or refurbishing old tools have millions of subs.
Daughter got interested in capcut, making quick videos she edited and put together. Did a lot of dance mom shit. Had more than 10k.
Charlie bit my finger has hundreds of millions of views.
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Sure. Many "wokes" (though surely not all and maybe not "wokism") hate not just the world of slavery but the contemporary world as well. They see its accomplishments as suspect. They are motivated to present it as deeply illegitimate, founded on oppression and injustice.
Oliver is unaware of their love for China. They are already attacking Trump for expanding slave industry inspections on imports. Bet Eric even writes and article about it. Trump using a 2021 law that bars imports from slave labor. Yet even here the love of cheap Chinese slave products is king.
It’s not Reason’s fault that cheap Chinese shit is, and always has been, The American Dream.
Robby agrees
Hiyoh!
Here's a good New York Post piece on how New York's museums
“CAUTION: This display case contains items used in the practices of traditional Tlingit doctors. Some people may wish to avoid this area, as Tlingit tradition holds that such belongings contain powerful spirits.”
These people watch too much Scooby Doo.
Didn't they just say that rational thinking is white supremacy?
But the fucktards, including at my local state college, are still pushing for "other ways of knowing", aka witch doctor voodoo, even in science departments.
I think that is how they solved the case of the Miner 49er.
Parks and Rec personnel—don't go out in the water and can't catch 'em
You do have to come ashore at some point, no?
Man arrested in UK for offending Muslims stating his love of bacon.
https://x.com/RealDonKeith/status/1957855273948721152
Time to invite all the "wrong-thinking" Brits to the US, and then nuke the UK.
Taking out London and Edinburgh would probably be sufficient to mitigate most of the problem.
everyone in the crowd needs to start yelling they love bacon, can't arrest everyone
To be fair, British bacon does kinda suck compared to American.
No... it's just different. Like cheddar is from Swiss. I like them all tbqh.
Don't get me started on Canadian bacon.
We call it back bacon here, and "American bacon" just bacon.
I'd never even heard about Canadian bacon until I was in my twenties, and I didn't know what it was at first.
I learned about it from Bob and Doug's Great White North segment on SCTV, eh.
https://youtu.be/0pPRaD6TKLc?si=MDazJGBEbXJP5ZeJ
Rashers from Ireland is worth going to war over.
It’s side/back bacon as opposed to belly bacon. Bacon describes the part of the pig the meat comes from (the center in this case). Ham is always from the rear (shank, butt).
I think this is somewhat underdiscussed:
Liz Wolfe: [Cites Oliver Traldi who cites Neil Malhotra who cites... Matthew Yglesias]
Me
To wit: Isn't it actually a pretty awesome finding from economic history that slavery is bad for the economy?
Is ceding the argument. In Ancient Egypt when the option was live as a slave or toil in the fields all day to maybe feed yourself and your family until the next dry season and everyone starved slavery wasn't seen as evil or 'bad for the economy'. In Rome when it was maybe have a family and maybe not starve to death but be defended by The Empire or overrun by a barbarian horde, slavery wasn't seen as evil or 'bad for the economy'. In the New World, when it was indenture yourself for some amount of time in exchange for passage to the New World or live as a slave vs. die as a POW to a neighboring tribe, slavery wasn't clearly the greater 'bad for the economy' evil. Even today, people overwhelmingly don't bat an eye at mortgaging their children's children into service with tax debt or their leveraging their neighbors into bondage for their own student loan debt.
The influx of slaves into Roman society in the late Republic caused an unemployment crisis for free men that was one of the issues Julius and Augustus Caesar exploited to justify themselves taking power.
We see the same social structure in Arabia today. Arab men don't work. All the work is done by women and laborers imported from other Muslim countries.
Sounds like most American urban ghettos.
That, and not providing their veterans with decent land to live on because the Optimates were soaking up all of it to broaden their estates.
It's why I laugh at the cuckservative right constantly bringing up Trump as Caesar, because it shows they have absolutely no self-awareness that they're the modern Optimates whose venality and contempt for anyone who isn't part of the credentialed class is what led to them being sent into political exile.
In Rome when it was maybe have a family and maybe not starve to death but be defended by The Empire or overrun by a barbarian horde, slavery wasn't seen as evil or 'bad for the economy'
this may be watering it down a bit. In ancient Rome being 'sold into slavery' was considered a terrible fate, the second-worst thing that could happen to you if the Romans conquered you. They had an actual slave revolt in 73BC that is so famous and dramatic hollywood is still producing shows about it.
And Spartacus's was the Third Servile War.
Will California pay reparations to the descendants of those enslaved under Roman law?
I’m still waiting on my check from The Highland Clearances.
Thought the legionnaires never went roman north of Hadrian’s wall.
The thing is, the Spartacus revolt didn't even really gain traction in that fashion until the 20th century, because Hollywood commies like Dalton Trumbo saw it as a metaphor for their own marxist ideology. It's a very small section in Plutarch's chapter on Crassus, and was notable primarily because the Third war that Spartacus was a part of was executed far more competently by the slaves (probably because Spartacus and his commanders were former military and thus knew how to run a campaign), and ultimately led to the formation of the First Triumvirate due to the resources that were brought to bear to put it down.
One of the more interesting events in that war was Spartacus deciding to go back into Italy when he had the chance to escape through the Alps. No one knows what was going through his head at the time, so it's speculative that he might have gotten a little too full of himself and actually believed he could free every slave in Rome, or that he decided the Romans were going to send legions to hunt him down even in Germany, so he might as well kill as many as he could before he was taken out himself.
this may be watering it down a bit.
Backwards. Everything today is watered down. Concentrating slavery as an identifiable moral wrong by today's standards is watering down the rest of history. To wit;
They had an actual slave revolt in 73BC that is so famous and dramatic hollywood is still producing shows about it.
Notable... discrepancies... about the dramatic Hollywood... historical depiction:
- The slaves were gladiators.
- Not all gladiators were slaves, some were volunteers and some were even nobility.
- These were all slaves, however, they were all gladiators trained/educated to kill condemned criminals (who didn't exactly get to face their accusers or a jury of their peers).
- Training and education that your average Roman citizen growing wheat didn't get.
- Maybe most critically, unlike 19th century plantation-era chattel slavery, "Roman" or "non-citizen" slavery, gladiatorial combat, disparate regard for other farm or other non-slave labor, etc., etc., etc. persisted for 300 yrs. after the Servile wars and well into Medieval Europe.
Not to completely discount the Hollywood narrative but, especially with regard to the last point, what's the objective essential difference between the 3rd Servile War and The Battle of Blair Mountain? The one or any crystalline point of individual liberty that explains how Spartacus was obviously a forced laborer while Bill Blizzard and Mother Jones were just striking employees other than just everyone called Spartacus a slave while the US Gov't dropping bombs to break strikes, somehow, doesn't constitute forced labor because nobody said the word 'slave'?
We don't need to overemphasize the negative to teach people that certain aspects of our nation's history may have been bad," she told The Washington Post a few months ago. Doing so "just makes us grow further and further apart."
It's almost like this is the goal. The easy way to understand people to recognize they intended the outcomes their actions cause.
Ha. Just saw a video of a fat chick screaming at ICE agents "You could choose to do something else. You could choose to be a veterinarian..." met with "You could choose to eat a salad!"
Hilarious.
Video.
https://x.com/DCNewsLive/status/1956846056420843520
That's funny. I don't care who you are.
If she ate a salad, I think it would be referred to as grazing.
Illinois went from an $890 million surplus last year to a $3.2 billion, and Pritzker just signed a bill to give more student aid to illegal aliens and draft dodgers..."a student who is an Illinois resident and who is not otherwise eligible for federal financial aid, including, but not limited to, a transgender student who is disqualified for failure to register for selective service or a noncitizen student who has not obtained lawful permanent residence, shall be eligible for financial aid and benefits."
This fat fuck virtue signals giving my money away while my electric bill explodes thanks to this fat fuck's new green scam. Most of our governors end up in prison after leaving office. I'm hoping Pam Bondi can take him out before he can do any more damage.
Hey Liz, bodhi surfed in a storm. Get off your lazy ass and get out there
And post vids.
I'm thinking thong bikini here. Is that wrong of me?
No
It was assumed!
I don’t think Patrick Swayze wore a thong in that movie. If he did, I blocked it out.
a media cover-up: a sort of fishy-looking effort to obscure these results and greet universal basic income (UBI) as more positive and effective than it's been proven to be.
I disappointed the more we discover about how media and academia function the more evidence there is I was right all along. Just call me Ian Malcolm.
Exactly how is putting a steel tariff on non-steel products different from putting tobacco regulations on non-tobacco products?
The federal government left the real world behind years ago.
And don't get me started on men can become women!
Good points.
Same reason the chicken tax is why we couldn't mass import some of the best models of Japanese light trucks, like the Toyota Hilux, to the US.
The tax is still there, but now it's more about all the fucking emissions and safety regs shit than anything else. Even if the tax was removed, most of those vehicles would never pass the requirements.
'One of the Smithsonian museums made waves when it released an absolutely wild graphic saying that being on time, liking bland foods, and adhering to the scientific method are white, based on the work of Tema Okun and Judith Katz.'
If you never saw the poster graphic issued by the Smithsonian, or forgot it, you really need to search online for "Smithsonian White Culture Poster".
"We don't need to overemphasize the negative to teach people that certain aspects of our nation's history may have been bad," she told The Washington Post a few months ago. Doing so "just makes us grow further and further apart."
But what if driving us apart is the goal? Seriously.
"Incomplete Pass: ESPN And Spike Lee Drop His Colin Kaepernick Documentary Series Over “Creative Differences”"
[...]
"ESPN has confirmed it is scrapping Spike Lee’s planned documentary series on ex-NFL quarterback Colin Kaepernick, saying it’s by mutual agreement with the Oscar-winning filmmaker and Kaepernick.
“ESPN, Colin Kaepernick and Spike Lee have collectively decided to no longer proceed with this project as a result of certain creative differences,” the sports giant said in a statement provided to Deadline. “Despite not reaching finality, we appreciate all the hard work and collaboration that went into this film.”
https://deadline.com/2025/08/espn-spike-lee-scrap-colin-kaepernick-documentary-series-1236490989/
1) The first two words sort of define his career as an NFL QB impersonator.
2) Maybe it dawned on ESPN that no one gives a shit about Kaepernick. He was a wash-out as a QB and then hoped his 'woke' act would keep him relevant; it didn't.
QB impersonator
Accept no substitute!
"I shall serve no lies before their time."
At least he wasn’t like that kicker from Baltimore who got flagged for illegal touching.
[Wokists] are motivated to present [America] as deeply illegitimate, founded on oppression and injustice.
While true the question is why, what is the goal? The answer is reparations. Yes cash but mostly in DEI and similar style sinecures.
If their understanding of the past is believed to be true then their vision of how to "solve" the problem is inherently more credible. That vision is for left wing philosophy to exclusively direct management of all institutions and to be taught as correct with all criticism taught as racist. Essentially they want to create a bureaucracy of political apparatchiks embedded in our institutions including every business whose role is to see nothing opposes left wing political thought. Of course these jobs will be held exclusively by people like themselves.
The Smithsonian is not in the executive branch and thus Trump has no authority over them. The worst thing the Smithsonian can do is even pretend to take this seriously. They need to do what the CBO did and tell Trump to go pound sand.
Is it legislative, or judicial?
It is none of the above. The Smithsonian is set aside special to prevent political meddling in the representation of history.
How so? A part of government is only one of the three, legislative, executive, or judicial branches. Which is it, Dr. Retard?
The Smithsonian is not in the executive branch and thus Trump has no authority over them. The worst thing the Smithsonian can do is even pretend to take this seriously.
No, but the employees are all federal bureaucrats. And considering your side is currently getting its ass kicked in the culture war, a shift away from wokeism is probably in its best interest.
No. My "side" is not losing. Be are being attacked by Trump with the power of the federal government. Most Americans still support non-discrimination, support the LGBT, support the disabled, support society that lowers artificial barriers to people getting jobs and going to school. Americans know their history and don't want to whitewash it.
But most of all, Americans do not buy the MAGA bullshit that the MAGA war on DEI is anything but pure bigotry, racism, and white nationalism.
No. My "side" is not losing.
Your side is absolutely losing. You're trying to "resist," but it can't even appeal to young men anymore, so you tried paying a fat lesbian $20 million to figure out how to connect with them. The one guy on your side who had even an inkling of the problem, David Hogg, was kicked out for being a white male.
Most Americans still support non-discrimination, support the LGBT, support the disabled, support society that lowers artificial barriers to people getting jobs and going to school
Most Americans don't bother with such silly glittering generalities. Particularly the Marcusian-style "non-discrimination" your side practices the minute it gets political hegemony.
Americans know their history and don't want to whitewash it.
They also aren't interested in treating it as a giant struggle session, regardless of the never-ending guilt complex your side employs because it's not the glorious communist utopia yet.
But most of all, Americans do not buy the MAGA bullshit that the MAGA war on DEI is anything but pure bigotry, racism, and white nationalism.
Americans don't buy the marxist bullshit that the marxist war on the US is anything but pure bigotry, racism, and anti-white/male homoglobalism.
Are you competing with sarcjeff for stupidest commenter of 2025? If so, you're really doing a great job. Keep it up, Molly.
Thx. The MAGAs are so rock level stupid that it is hard.
Your side can't even figure out how to pay back your student loans, and can't figure out how to talk to young men anymore. You're hardly one to be peacocking about your supposed intelligence, retard.
Maybe they should just be a museum and scientific research institution and not try to spin narratives. For the museum part, just show people interesting things with neutral descriptions of what they are. People can make their own conclusions about what they mean and be inspired to learn more about the historical context on their own.
"Might I suggest a better path forward? Starve the beast [the Smithsonian Museum]."
You kidding? Trump wants the government to have an ownership stake in Intel, he's extorting millions in an illegal export tax from Nvidia and AMD (which incidentally puts paid to his claim of national security in AI chip export restrictions; he's either a traitor or lying), the President has a veto over all US Steel decisions, and he's already shaken up the Kennedy Center. You think he's going to let the Smithsonian Museum go free of government control?
"hey, c'mon guy ... relax!" ~~ SouthPark Trump
Funny how you recognize that Trump is an economic fascist, but you have no problem with soldiers at checkpoints demanding papers.
I see Captain Fuckhead woke up from his hangover.
And going right to the “you” post, which he doesn’t like.
Citation, please. I know you won't, but it's fun asking.
I'm not a loser like Jesse. However I don't recall you criticizing the deployment of soldiers by Trump, criticizing soldiers manning checkpoints, and I have yet to see you indicate that it is possible for the federal government to go too far in their effort to round up people without papers. Especially in jurisdictions run by Democrats. I have seen you mock and deride anyone who has been critical of how illegals are treated, and I'm pretty sure you defended deporting people to torture prisons without due process. From that I think I can rightly infer that you would not criticize military checkpoints on domestic soil if it meant catching one illegal immigrant.
You're sane on economics, but when it comes to illegals you go full, frothing MAGA.
Thank god I'm nothing like you. First compliment you've given me. Well besides being tall and well groomed.
I know you have a bad case of TDS. You started your comment showing off your JDS. Now, it appears you have SGTDS.
I haven't criticized lots of things. Like the idiotic USPS EVs, farm subsidies, letting plastic weather balloons burst and fall down all over anywhere.
Have you criticized any of those? No? Then I guess you're in favor of them.
Isn't it actually a pretty awesome finding from economic history that slavery is bad for the economy?
But the wokesters are AGAINST economic success. That's why bringing back slavery is their end game.
As an economic model in the southern US slavery was not competitive with the industrialized north. On the other hand the descendants of those slaves are doing a fuck of a lot better than their relatives that were left in Africa. In context, the story is more nuanced but we're not allowed to talk about that.
Whatifalthist just put up a video about the history of blacks in the US and did discuss some of that: https://youtube.com/watch?v=nlxPMiR7IcE&pp=ygUNd2hhdGlmYWx0aGlzdA%3D%3D
The video is about an hour long, but, IMHO, worth it.
Whatifalthist is right 98% of the time, but every now and then he advances a historical inaccuracy that is just mind-blowingly wrong. Usually when he gets into a topic that isn't part of his usual focus.
On the other hand the descendants of those slaves are doing a fuck of a lot better than their relatives that were left in Africa.
And the irony is that they're actually descended from the people who got their asses kicked by the other tribes and sold into slavery after being captured. Chris Rock, for example, is primarily descended from the Udeme, a Cameroonian tribe that was routinely chased and harassed into the mountains there.
>>The great news is that surfers get to take advantage of this wild swell
I enjoy the times we are agreed.
>>We're getting pretty close to breaking 10,000 subscribers on the Just Asking Questions channel
mazel tov.
>>"The DePaço case is the first time WMF has both removed content and handed over contributor data in a European defamation case."
abandon hope all ye who goto Europe.
How will the 'Democrat/ic' [Na]tional So[zi]alist[s] get-away with 'armed-theft' of those 'icky' people if they can't advertise their incisive "Unable to make a Criminals Living" ?oppression?.
Police show extreme patience and forbearance to Arab Muslim supremacist Karen, who complains "that they will pay" for not bowing to her.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxE-m5MY_yg
https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/the-opinions-of-matt-yglesias-should-be-ignored
Reason's favorite midwit to quote is getting rough treatement over at current affairs. he really is an absolute smug dipshit who is wrong on everything. I'm constantly amazed that Reason quotes him like he's got any insight whatsoever. (old article but great teardown of this moron)
" Why, then, does Yglesias provoke such fierce hostility?
I think the core frustration that many of us have is that Yglesias’s basic posture is that of the Serious Adult who lectures the left on how we are childish, unrealistic, and out of touch with The Data. "
In that, Yglesias is not wrong (except for him being serious or adult).
The fundamental problem with Yglesias is that he never re-thinks his condescension. He called libertarianism ridiculous without recognizing his recent embrace of "abundance" is arguing that a little libertarianism can solve the problems his own ridiculous worldview inevitably causes. The truth is the more we live the more we prove libertarianism works and central control doesn't, although non-idiots had plenty of evidence proving this before I was born.
Listening to him and the rest of the middle school student government reps lecture adults who do understand how the world works is inherently offensive.
Millennial pundits like Yglesias, Ezra Klein, Brian Stelter, and Aaron Rupar, like a lot of their generation who spent the 2000s bitching about Bush and the neocons, have always had their heads way up their own asses in regards to their intellectual prowess. Never before in American history have so many self-styled elites known so little about so much. Millennials will probably end up going down as the Dunning-Kruger generation for that very reason, if for nothing else that they actually took all the nonsense their college professors and Jon Stewart said seriously.
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Reason got really friendly with Vox when they were the darling of the left. It is really weird.
The fact they call him a centrist pundits though....
Current Affairs is extreme Left, so it makes sense. Nathan Robinson is the only author there that has any sense though.
And, hey, if the extreme Left hates Matty, and anyone right-of-center thinks he's a loudmouth Lefty moron, then the Reason LiberTeens must be justified doting all over him.
Many of the Reasoners were early bloggers with Klein and Yglesias, some of them even lived together. The result is an unbreakable faith in their goodwill despite them consistently showing they have none.
Sure. Many "wokes" (though surely not all and maybe not "wokism") hate not just the world of slavery but the contemporary world as well. They see its accomplishments as suspect. They are motivated to present it as deeply illegitimate, founded on oppression and injustice.
Fascinating interview on the systemic causes of societal 'woke spasms'.
This guy studied the socio-economic conditions surrounding explosions of "Woke" ideology. General conclusion: It's a reaction from 'elites' when their own economic conditions become stressed and it's a way of validating and 'guarding' their status.
Very much worth a listen. Spiked Online interview by Frasier Meyer.
In other words, they are steeped in Marxist and/or Postmodernist thinking and have a skewed worldview because of it.
Funny, I would have said they can't handle the truth.
You should listen to the interview, it's worth it. Essentially, when there's an 'elite overproduction' (a fancy way of saying, "too many workers seeking too few opportunities") they have a 'tantrum' and attempt to tear down the social order that they perceive as the barrier to their 'deserved' prosperity. Whole interview is maybe 16 minutes and it's a nice summary of his book and thesis.
Yeah, that's the core basis of Peter Turchin's thesis on how societies ultimately break down. Too many elites chasing too few "elite" jobs in a classic supply/demand mismatch. Something that was inevitable when we started trying to push everyone into college after World War II, because the Silent Gen saw it as a safeguard against working class unemployment spikes.
Our case is exacerbated because the lower level elites are taught to despise productive work as beneath them. So they revile business lawyers, accountants, and other sorts of professional work they would be capable of and would actually contribute to society.
Thanks Obama!
Kristi Noem says the border wall will be painted black at Trump's suggestion.
What about the alligators?
I know people will make fun of Trump for this "black wall gets too hot to climb" nonsense, but that's not Trump's real motivation.
The real reason is to cover tunnel openings that coyotes have painted on the wall to let migrants walk through. Of course Looney Tunes taught us all that the coyote himself cannot use those openings and Trump should know that this tactic is self-limiting due to oncoming trains anyway.
>Though I'm doubtful that the purge will be done in a measured, nuanced way,
1. The wokenwss was not added in a measured, nuanced, way
2. These things are better accomplished by running around like a bull in a china shop - break a few things, make them scream, and they'll be more willing to negotiate reasonable limits with you. Go in nuanced and they'll dig their heels in and hold the line. Time is on their side.
I’m sick of her and Robbie’s little virtue signal asides like this even when acknowledging what’s being done is proper and very necessary
“He’s still really icky, please keep me on standby for the next Hoi Poloi Cocktail Hour”
>UBI discourse: "Just give people money.
No Liz, the UBI discourse is "just give people *MY* money".
Fuck 'em.
"Just give
peopleme *YOUR* money."Uhm, slavery *was good for economic growth* throughout near all of human history - right up to the industrial revolution. That is what truly ended slavery, the creation of a more efficient slave.
Until that happened no amount of abolitionism was going to get traction.
Except that it did. The Europeans were the first to abolish slavery during the Middle Ages. Some of them brought it back in the early modern era for use in the South, the Caribbean, & Brazil (a shitload in Brazil), and then abolished is again later in the modern era.