Norms Matter in Free, Democratic Societies
Trump's ability to shift acceptable policy debates poses dangers, given that many of the shifts obliterate political norms.

One recent public-opinion poll asked Americans their thoughts on different periods of European history. Most Americans probably know little about events that took place in their own country 10 years ago, but they nevertheless expressed to YouGov fairly strong opinions about Classical Antiquity, the Middle Ages, and Late Antiquity.
I still found it reassuring that the majority holds a "very or somewhat favorable" view toward the Renaissance and the Enlightenment. However, 17 percent were favorably disposed toward the Dark Ages. Even funnier, 9 percent held the Black Plague in high esteem, with 32 percent positively inclined toward the Crusades—small, but not insignificant numbers. Such people live among us, although maybe they just have a great sense of humor.
Such polls confirm one of my favorite maxims: "Whoever sets the agenda wins." Basically, if I start a public debate about whether to launch nuclear strikes against Myanmar or start electing house cats to state legislatures, some percentage of the public will support it. Once an idea is placed on the agenda, it gets legs—no matter how absurd. A more thoughtful expression of this is called the Overton Window.
Developed by the Mackinac Center's Joseph Overton, his theory explains that politicians promote policies that fall within a window of widely accepted ideas. He believed think tanks (and others) could, as The New York Times described it, turn the "politically unthinkable" into the "mainstream" by talking about ideas outside the window. Such debates shift the window—and then politicians are willing to embrace policies that had been off limits.
We've seen dramatic shifts in acceptable policy discussions over the past few years, mainly because of Donald Trump, who has gotten Americans talking about once-unthinkable ideas. Some of the resulting debates would strike Americans from just a decade ago as bat-guano crazy: making Canada the 51st state, taking over Greenland, deporting celebrities, ending support for vaccines, etc. Anything Trump says—and he always has something unusual to say—instantly shifts the window (whether he's serious or trolling) quite dramatically.
Unfortunately, his ability to shift acceptable policy debates poses dangers, given that many of the shifts obliterate democratic norms. Even if he does respect the courts' ultimate rulings—and he's given mixed signals—his actions erode long-held constitutional principles. When his administration dismisses the importance of due process, depicts habeas corpus as the opposite of what it means, dispatches federal troops on U.S. soil, and sends alleged illegal immigrants to a Salvadoran gulag, it pushes the envelope of acceptable governmental behavior.
Given the intensity of support Trump receives from his followers, anything he says or does will instantly gain support from nearly half the public. That leaves Americans—and our republic—in the hands of Trump's whims. Other presidents have abused executive orders, but Trump is trying to rule by edict in a way that goes much further.
Presidents from both parties have played this game to a degree, but Trump doesn't appear bound by the usual self-imposed restrictions, or norms. Even if the guardrails hold—and that's far from certain at this point—Trump has used his normative power to undermine faith in our institutions and in democracy itself.
Norms are exceedingly important. They are the ultimate check on big government. As a simple example, I've lived in neighborhoods where the norm is to maintain one's property, be friendly, and look unkindly toward any criminal behavior. I've also lived in the opposite, where one must always lock the doors, look out for dog poo on the sidewal,k and deal with all-night parties. All the municipal codes and cops in the world cannot turn the latter into the former. Likewise, our institutions simply are not designed to resist a president who thinks he's Juan Perón.
One of the least-appreciated democratic norms is civility. Many people mock the concept by focusing on the hypocrisy of politicians who speak kindly but do dastardly things. "Hypocrisy is the tribute vice pays to virtue," French classical author Francois de La Rochefoucauld famously said. But we're learning the raw embrace of vice is far worse. Trump's unhinged daily social-media attacks on his foes might not be hypocritical, but they give Americans permission to behave similarly. The resulting viciousness endangers social peace—a necessity for a democratic society.
The obliteration of political norms has a habit of spreading. Check out Gov. Gavin Newsom's recent statements, which echo the pettiness and nastiness of the president. It was only a matter of time before Democrats, facing impotence in the face of Trump's fusillades, would start to echo his strategies. This is how even the most stable democracies head into a death spiral, even if many Americans enjoy the ongoing spectacle.
I wouldn't tell a pollster it's as bad as the Inquisition or the Hundred Years War, of course, but we can all try harder to stop pushing boundaries and start rebuilding support for the fundamentals.
This column was first published in The Orange County Register.
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I voted to obliterate political norms.
Reason is ok with forever wars.
Here at Reason, it is all:
#libertarians4satutusquo
Anyone who thinks our political norms are good is an absolute statist shill. I did not think Greenhut could stoop so low.
You’ve been here long enough to know better.
Libritene for shifting the Overton window so only various degrees of leftism is acceptable to talk about!
Greenhut is on his way to welch/bohem/sullum level of retarded faggotry
Robby came out. You think Steven is next? Adam and Steve?
It's always been a dream of mine to be invited to a Reason cocktail party. Leather jackets and fabulous hair and red weddings. Now I'm not so sure.
Missed that. Last I knew he was still married to his beard. Always assumed he was gay. Most Reason writers seem to be and that surely contributes to their leftist tilt.
no one ever pushed on political norms until Trump. totes....
Transing kids is acceptable change to political norms. America fighting back against left globalist rule is not. Or something.
transing kids and making it illegal for parents to stop it is all normal; been happening since the dawn of civilization. Heck, pride flag have been flown at diplomatic embassies since the Egyptians
Everything was fine until the Republicans started the culture war. If they just lay there and took it then we wouldn't have had to burn those cities down . . .
Look what they made us do.
Greenhut yaps about Trump pushing beyond norms, yet the fucking democrats might have had their beloved single party control if it wasn’t for their tranny bullshit.
Stick to lamenting the loss of The Colbert Show, jackasses.
These are the same idiots that claim leaving a terrible comedian on air for another year at $15M per is squashing free speech.
I like how weaponizing the IC to perform a soft coup against a President is WITHIN norms now.
But exposing it and holding those who abused their powers is not. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Government effectively taking over health care --- within norms.
Government firing numerous employees who are redundant --- way the fuck out of the norm.
Importing millions of completely unvetted illegals --- within norms.
Removing those completely unvetted illegals --- nowhere near the norm.
“ Government firing numerous employees who are redundant”
Since they kept having to hire back people they fired, they obviously weren’t redundant. Which made it painfully obvious that they weren’t targeting superfluous people, they were indiscriminately firing large swaths of people with no idea whether they were headed or not.
“ Importing millions of completely unvetted illegals”
No one “imported” illegals, you conspiracy nut. And deporting illegals is a good thing, if done legally. You know, like Obama did. He still kicks Trump’s ass in total deported and percentage of criminal illegals deported.
It was criminal illegals you were most worried about, if I recall correctly. Trump has screwed the pooch on that, too.
“ Removing those completely unvetted illegals”
This is an excellent goal. Too bad Trump is incompetent and can’t do it right, like Obama.
Norm Macdonald mattered a lot.
Way more than Goerge Wendt, but they are both missed.
" . . . acceptable policy debates . . . "
Well, he won the election, so his policies are all acceptable for debate.
If you get to define acceptable, why have elections?
Is this really in a libertarian magazine?
We've seen dramatic shifts in acceptable policy discussions over the past few years, mainly because of Donald Trump, who has gotten Americans talking about once-unthinkable ideas.
This entire article comes off as decrying the loss of the Democrat narrative machine and their ability to censor who they consider their enemies.
In a paper that defends illegals attacking Jewish people, they complain about acceptable policy diacussions? Not all of us how down or condone the policies since FDR or the control of the discussions by the left.
Reason
Openly gay. Closet progressive.
And the progressive is currently coming out of the closet. I think we’re at the point where they’ve told their open minded sibling and are planning how to tell their parents.
Is this really a libertarian magazine? No Jesse. It is not.
I highlighted the same section. I am dumbfounded.
If this is parody, it's very, very good. If it's anything else, it's time for Reason to engage in a mass staff rollover or stop pretending it has anything to do with libertarian principles.
"with 32 percent positively inclined toward the Crusades"
Number seems low
Greenhut's understanding of the crusades comes from a liberal university with a victim/oppressor framing. He is appalled 32% approved.
Without the Crusades, we wouldn't have Crusader Kings 2.
This is actually a pretty strong argument.
Which side in the Crusades? Details matter.
LOL!
Fuck you and your norms.
So a sitting president manufacturing a coup against the incoming elected president is probably one of the norms Reason is desperate to protect. But leaving that aside, the Koch libertarians are cool with abolishing all kinds of norms unless Trump is doing it. It's not normal to have state sanctioned child mutilation or the murder of a healthy 9 month fetus or males in a girl's locker room or open borders or violent criminals wandering the streets because bail is too expensive or mandatory experimental vaccines or... Well the list goes on. But if Trump trolls about making Canada the 51st state it's a bridge too far. Just fuck off. This is why I don't consider myself a libertarian anymore.
I’m still a libertarian. The leftist hacks at Reason aren’t going to change that.
Fucking this^
"9 percent held the Black Plague in high esteem"
Likely because the reduction in human capital helped start breaking the feudal system in Western Europe and therefore was a catalyst of the Renaissance and Enlightenment
"with 32 percent positively inclined toward the Crusades"
Likely as a counteroffensive to several centuries of Muslim aggression against Christendom.
"Such people live among us, although maybe they just have a great sense of humor."
Or perhaps they are less ignorant about history than Greenhut.
Greenhut probably thinks the Spanish should have continued to be ruled by the Mooks.
Mooks, lol.
It's the Moops. That's what the card says.
not a high bar to cross there.
I find it amusing when people who do not know what they are talking about write long pieces that, unintentionally, highlight that.
Pretty sure most people think the black plague was the slave revolt in Haiti.
"Other presidents have abused executive orders, but Trump is trying to rule by edict in a way that goes much further."
No, you let other presidents slide on such things, because you did not have a a personal antipathy towards them and you likely agreed with their policy goals. Wilson and his ideological successors were just a bit overzealous, but Trump is an existential threat...for reasons. The rationale for this double standard does not fly.
Vast majority of the EOs he has issued is to be minimally compliant to the laws passed by congress. Apparently the norm greenhunt loves is the ever expansion of bureaucracy.
“Most Americans probably know little about events that took place in their own country 10 years ago, but they nevertheless expressed…”
Fuck off, elitist.
Plus one
1. I voted to obliterate the political norms. The political norms got us into this situation.
2. It's always bad when Republicans do it, never talk about the Democrats when they do it.
1. I voted to obliterate the political norms. The political norms got us into this situation.
What are you thinking the previous norms should be replaced with? A lack of any political norms just leads to whichever faction can gain enough raw power, using whatever means it can, having control over the government. That would inevitably lead to authoritarianism, I would say. Besides, a constitution is a norm.
Hey dumdum. Most of the EOs are to follow the law as written, not the expansive interpretation your beloved democrats have pushed for decades.
No, he redefines things and explicitly contradicts laws and the Constitution. Witness his birthright citizenship order, which only an outcome-oriented idiot or a mindless sycophant could describe as following the law.
A lack of any political norms just leads to whichever faction can gain enough raw power, using whatever means it can, having control over the government.
You mean like in California?
We already have authoritarianism.
Burn it down and start over. That is what we did to create this country.
Not before, but we do now.
Wickard v Filburn has entered the chat…
Also, are we not fucking libertarians? Why would we be attached to the status quo?
When the status quo is a libertarian ideal government, wouldn't a libertarian want to keep that?
The implication being that the previous status quo under Biden was libertarian? You're an idiot
If what Incunabulum meant is the status quo of policy, then obviously a libertarian wouldn't want the status quo under a Democratic administration. But he did not mean that, given his previous post.
I voted to obliterate the political norms. The political norms got us into this situation.
The "political norms" being talked about in this article, and thus this thread, are not about policies of Republicans vs Democrats. The norms being discussed are things that have been the way our government has functioned going back multiple administrations, if not multiple decades.
Yes. And I voted to burn them down because those norms got us here - therefore that are not useful.
Yeah, it sure sucks living in the wealthiest, most powerful, most successful country in the world. Can you believe what the Constitution and the norms of the past 250 years have created?
Lol. God damn. Fucking dumbass.
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JasonT20
February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
“How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?...”
Fuck off and die, asswipe.
And it isn't. I didn't ask why we are attached to the idea of a status quo, I asked why we are attached to this one.
A lot of the stuff Trump is being complained about doing is within the President's authority.
Do not rely on *norms* to reign in those with power - do not give them the power in the first place.
Don't whine about Trump not respecting norms - whine about Congress giving him these authorities.
A lot of the stuff Trump is being complained about doing is within the President's authority.
Examples?
Do not rely on *norms* to reign in those with power - do not give them the power in the first place.
Don't whine about Trump not respecting norms - whine about Congress giving him these authorities.
Those are not either/or choices.
Jason, do us all a favor and actually read the EOs you complain about through ignorance.
^ This slimy pile of shit promotes murder by government:
JasonT20
February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
“How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?...”
Fuck off and die, asswipe.
Well, everything the USSC has upheld. Which is around 85 percent of what Trump has ordered.
You believe that SCOTUS has ruled on 85% of Trump’s EOs? Lie to us some more, why don’t you?
This is how even the most stable democracies head into a death spiral, even if many Americans enjoy the ongoing spectacle.
The degradation of our politics is not like any previous period of history. That is because mass media enabled the transformation of news into entertainment. It enabled the information space about politics to be dominated by political opinion and commentary over factual reporting and objective or balanced analysis.
Political commentary and opinion always competes with fact-based reporting, and it can veer into propaganda easily. But the media landscape of the last 30 years gave the former an unbeatable advantage. Media outlets, print publications, and individual programs that focus on politics haven't had to try to appeal to a broad audience since at least the 80s in order to draw in large revenues and be profitable. Now, there are always smaller outlets, magazines, and the like that appealed to narrow political views, but with cable TV and then the internet, over time, those smaller outlets became easier and easier for each media consumer to find.
No one needs to be presented with information that contradicts their political views in order to get information that confirms their biases anymore. Tucker Carlson, at the height of his popularity on Fox, was drawing 4-5 million viewers. Ratings higher than any of the more straight-news time slots, obviously, as Tucker had a prime time slot. Walter Cronkite would draw several times as many viewers every night outside of prime time. The difference? Viewers had 3 main choices in his day.
Most importantly, the difference is that Cronkite scrupulously worked to be as objective as possible and not inject his personal political views into how he delivered information. He saw himself as a reporter, not a commentator, and not an advocate. Carlson was explicitly a commentator presenting his opinions. He also clearly advocated for his positions to be more widely accepted by the public and by voters.
Most of all, though, from the days of AM political talk radio in the 80s into cable news and beyond, politics became entertainment. Rush Limbaugh never claimed to be a journalist. He said that there was "an entertainment characteristic" to his show in an interview with William F. Buckley in 1992. He also said, "My success is not determined by who wins elections, and my success is not determined by what issues dominate. My success is determined by how many people listen to my radio show."
No doubt he believed what he said about politics, was expressing opinions and making commentary, and he was advocating for his ideas. But he also sought success from the perspective of being in the business of entertainment, and he achieved that to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars over his career.
I don't blame Fox, Rush, MSNBC or their talking heads for turning news into entertainment, though, any more than I blame Coca-Cola, Pepsi, McDonald's, or food conglomerates for obesity in the U.S. They are just businesses seeking to profit by giving consumers what they want. It is entirely on us, as the consumers of political news, to seek objective reporting instead of shows that make us feel good and feed our biases. Yet, here we are, spending so much of our time on Reason.com, which is entirely commentary from (what is supposed to be) a single ideological perspective. Go figure.
"Most importantly, the difference is that Cronkite scrupulously worked to be as objective as possible"
Factually incorrect. Stop buying into myths.
He has decided to take off his mask today and finally admit he is a standard democrat.
I see some reviews of David Brinkley's biography of Cronkite (also the title of the book) from around the time it was published in 2012. The ones that pop up prominently in the search results are clearly from conservatives, and they say basically what you just did. He was not objective. In fact, he was a secret liberal with a facade of objectivity. They mention things, probably from that biography that are supposed to illustrate that. But what I note is that the evidence they present is about things he did or said off the air.
No one expects news reporters to not have opinions. And it is certainly more ethical if they don't get involved* with political figures personally, it isn't evidence that what they say on the air is biased when they do.
Sure, his reputation could be myth much more than truth. But, you haven't shown that to be "factually" the case yet. And the 20 minutes I spent searching and reading to see what you base your statement on is already at least 15 minutes more than you put into your reply.
*One of those articles claims that Cronkite had a "secret meeting" and urged RFK to run in 1968, for instance.
^ This steaming pile of shit promotes murder by government:
JasonT20
February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
“How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?...”
Fuck off and die, asshole.
I am not referring to anything he did off the air.
Then take the time to make specific claims that can actually be examined. If a claim isn't verifiable, then how much is it worth?
I grew up in the 3 network era and they were anything but objective purveyors of events, although they played that role on TV. They were crafting the conventional wisdom on behalf of the state notably the CIA, FBI and whatever unipower regime was in place. We didn't have the Internet in those days and any disagreement was largely confined to black finger newsprint or mimeograph sheets with negligible distribution. I was 7 years old when I watched Jack Ruby murder Lee Harvey Oswald on black and white TV. The news promalgated by Cronkite thereafter didn't pass my smell test at the time even as child and that has not changed in decades since. The myth that there has ever been objective reporting in any media is just that, a myth. And to look back and claim otherwise just reveals your stupidity. We have thousands of years of written history. Is any of it objective? The victors write history. Always have and always will. Same as it ever was. What matters now is only what version of truth ends up in LLMs and Wikipedia and whatever comes here after. We are witnessing that same old battle as we speak. What's the story of the day? A soft coup organized by a sitting president against an incoming president or a sitting president who hung out with a now identified child predator 20 years ago? So far Reason has chosen the latter.
All of that reads to me like you don't believe anything anyone says unless it passes your "smell test". That is a recipe for regularly fooling yourself because you think that truth can be determined by whether your initial emotional reaction to a claim lines up with the claim.
The degradation of our politics is not like any previous period of history.
Oh, bullshit. There's no "degradation of our politics." This shit isn't any worse than the Jefferson-Adams rivalry, the Nullification Crisis and the general drama of the Jacksonian period, the pre-Civil War years that included Bleeding Kansas, the late 19th Century when two Presidents were assassinated after Lincoln, the labor wars of the Gilded Age and Progressive Era, and the radical left-wing violence that marked the late 60s-early 80s.
The only reason people are getting twitterpated about Trump is that he hits back against the left. That's all it boils down to. And if it's one thing the left-liberal establishment HATES, it's when the right doesn't play the role of the Brooklyn Brawler or the Mulkey Brothers.
I did not say "worse". I said "not like" any previous period. The problems we face now are entirely different in character than any of the crises you mention.
The only reason people are getting twitterpated about Trump is that he hits back against the left.
That is such ridiculous nonsense. You don't understand what people that get "twitterpated" really think because you're so wrapped up in his cult of personality. Wait, what the fuck are you talking about with that word?
And if it's one thing the left-liberal establishment HATES, it's when the right doesn't play the role of the Brooklyn Brawler or the Mulkey Brothers.
Keep digging into that victim complex.
I did not say "worse". I said "not like" any previous period. The problems we face now are entirely different in character than any of the crises you mention.
No, they really aren't. You're not being any more profound by pretending they are.
That is such ridiculous nonsense. You don't understand what people that get "twitterpated" really think because you're so wrapped up in his cult of personality.
Yeah, I know, anyone who doesn't follow your side's stupid political theology is in a cult. Fuck off with that nuclear-grade projection.
And what the fuck am I talking about with that word? Just pointing out how your side likes to jerk itself off to the thought we're living in some fascist hellhole.
Keep digging into that victim complex.
Accurately pointing out the left's behavior isn't appealing to victimization, you faggot retard.
This is written by a guy who has never heard of yellow journalism.
The media has always been entertainment and has always used its power as such to affect policy. News was what newspapers put in to fill the spaces between the ads.
The yellow journalism of history was not the same as the 24/7 cable news cycle. It was not the same as an internet where anyone with a keyboard and a connection can post whatever they think. It was not the same as social media from devices people have with them at all times.
Besides. Even if what you say is true, then who's fault has it been that media moguls have the power to influence politics?
Cronkite never worked to be objective - Cronkite was a fucking news read man. neither did Dan Rather who destroyed his career when caught.
But sure, now do Brian Seltzer.
But sure, now do Brian Seltzer.
When I mention any news anchors that started their careers after I was born, then I might talk about him.
" It was only a matter of time before Democrats, facing impotence in the face of Trump's fusillades, would start to echo his strategies. This is how even the most stable democracies head into a death spiral, even if many Americans enjoy the ongoing spectacle."
Echo?
Apparently, Greenhut is unaware of Democrat rhetoric prior to last week, much less before 2015.
What was Democratic rhetoric like before 2015?
Joe Biden claiming Mitt Romney being elected President was going to bring back slavery comes to mind.
Reid claiming Republicans wanted to kill grandma.
We had adds of Republicans pushing grandma off a cliff.
"Romney wants to let the — he said in the first hundred days, he's going to let the big banks once again write their own rules, unchain Wall Street," Mr. Biden said. "They're going to put you all back in chains."
That was very inflammatory, but you're paraphrasing it to push it even further, not quoting it.
He doubled down on his statement later that day after social media had been running with it:
The last time these guys unshackled the economy, to use their term, they put the middle class in shackles. That's how we got where we are. Nine million jobs lost, wage stagnation, 16 trillion dollars in wealth you all lost, in your home equity, in your 401ks, and your pension plans -- you're the ones that got nailed. All of America except for the very few.
And I'm told when I made that comment earlier today in Danville, Virginia, the Romney Campaign put out a Tweet, you know Tweets, and went on the air, went on the airwaves saying "Biden's outrageous in saying that -- I think I said, instead of unshackled, unchained or -- anyway, outrageous to say that, that's what we meant. I'm using their own words. I got a message for them, if you want to know want to know what's outrageous, it's their policies, and the effects of their policies on middle class America, that's what's outrageous.
Let everyone make up their own mind as to whether your version of this is accurate, that Biden was claiming that "Mitt Romney being elected President was going to bring back slavery."
That he made the statement at a predominately black audience means nothing, eh?
Does that have anything at all to do with whether or not his framing is an accurate description of what Biden said? No. You want it to mean something, so that is important to your and Mickey's interpretation. It isn't about accuracy.
And that is after trying to school me about Cronkite's supposed bias...
Biden was referencing slavery. It's not really up for debate.
Oh, no. He used a metaphor that referenced slavery. Apparently in your world that means that he actually (not metaphorically) said that slavery would come back. You may be that dumb, but few are.
OK, I somewhat misremembered the quote. How is what Biden actually said any better?
So, you now have the full context, and his own attempts to further expand on and explain what he said, and you still think that it all can be equated to Biden claiming that Romney being elected would bring back slavery?
...
The full context is still stupidly mean-spirited and slanderous, and yes, it implies slavery especially given the audience.
How is it better?
“ The full context is still stupidly mean-spirited and slanderous”
Careful. That’s Trump’s raison d’etra. You should probably stop talking like it’s a bad thing or they’ll throw you out of the club.
That’s the whole point! He’s not saying it’s bad, he’s saying the Democrats were already acting like that before Trump even ran.
Oh, so it was just the same old marxist bullshit about labor. And Biden wasn't really one to be talking shit, because the administration he was part of did jack and shit to actually punish the people who caused the mess he's blabbing about in the first place.
Put y'all back in chains.
*We've seen dramatic shifts in acceptable policy discussions over the past few years, mainly because of Donald Trump, who has gotten Americans talking about once-unthinkable ideas.*
Are. You. Fucking. Kidding???
You mean unthinkable ideas like:
-Claiming that fucking your intern in the oval office or being a known rapist is your private life and should not warrant rebuke or media coverage just because yucky Christians are complaining?
-Starting multiple endless wars based on total bullshit because you have daddy issues?
-Passing a 2,000-page bill nobody read in the worst way possible that takes over 1/7th of the American economy to add health coverage to 14 million losers total while destroying existing coverage for over 300 million others?
-Pretending that spending a couple of decades in a racist, anti-Semitic church doesn't make you racist or anti-Semitic, even though the preacher is your friend and mentor who baptized your kids and to whom you dedicated one of your numerous egotistical memoirs?
-Pretending that not only can boys be girls because they say so, but if you disagree we will fine you and end your career?
-Pretending you never made a joke about race or sex in your life, but it anyone else did we need to plaster it on the evening news and make sure you can never earn a living again?
-Taking over neighborhoods by force in Seattle and Portland didn't happen, and if it did happen it's okay because you are the RIGHT kind of militia?
-Pretending that unarmed black boys are being shot by fascist, racist cops all over America an a near-daily basis?
-Pretending that killing a few dozen people and causing billions in damage is not only mostly peaceful, it gives you magic immunity from catching COVID? Speaking of...
-Pretending it's perfectly reasonable to destroy businesses and personal lives over a strong flu that has very specific targets? Targets that don't include children, but it's okay to shutter the schools and cause irreparable damage to a generation of kids? And how about all of that pretending about masks and magical shots and wet markets and who actually created this virus?
-Openly threatening the lives of Supreme Court justices who follow the constitution instead of voting the way you like, and then pretending to be shocked when somebody tries to make good on your threats?
-Openly accusing the president of being a Nazi and an existential threat who must be stopped by any means necessary, and then pretending to be shocked when somebody tries to make good on your threats? Twice?
-Opening the borders to tens of millions of illegals while claiming you didn't? Or letting in endless criminals as part of that invasion while claiming that all of these people are just hard-working Maryland dads with magic unicorn powers?
-Failing to cover the Democratic nominee's failing mental health while he is running or, once your scam has succeeded, while he is in office? And then pretending to be shocked when he shits on the podium during his only debate?
I could continue, Steven, but what's the point? You will choose to willfully ignore that Trump is a reaction to all of this shifting of the Overton window, not the cause. Sorry your side is finally losing, sport. Consequences hurt.
Could not have said better.
Norms are exceedingly important. They are the ultimate check on big government.
This is bordering on delusional. At what point is the post-WW II era has there been any check on big government? In 1948 federal spending was 10.8% of national income, by 2016 it was almost double that at 20.5%. Trump had not even set foot in the White House.
Fuck norms.
There hasn't been a check on big government since fucking Theodore Roosevelt. Just Presidents who might decide to not exercise as much power as they want to.
If the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use was the rule?
Anton Chigurh
Again, I would point out that we are the richest, most powerful nation on Earth. That hasn’t happened by accident. The world order you decry is the one that we created and it has served not just us, but large portions of the planet, very well. Our capitalist system vanquished Communism and our military defeated a hard-right, antisemitic, genocidal authoritarian who decimated vast swaths of Europe. Our economic prosperity has grown steadily, with a few hiccups whenever we allow supply-side economics to wreck things like it always does or face a global pandemic and over-react to the threat.
America has been great for over a century, despite the efforts of cultural conservatives to take the social conservatism of individuals and force the entire nation to bow to their orthodoxy.
We survive and prosper because we are a nation of the Enlightenment, valuing knowledge and logic while casting a skeptical eye towards religion and extremism. We seek consensus, which is why neither party has even 30% of the population in their camp and independents comprise more Americans than either party … by a margin of 50%.
We are presently ruled by extremists but, like all extremists, they are blind to what the vast majority of Americans want and will continue to over-reach until they are banished from power.
America has been great for my entire lifetime. Nothing this President does can prevent that, no matter how hard he tries. We have survived bad Presidents in the past and we will survive this one. We survived Biden and Bush II (electric bugaboo) and Carter and Ford and Nixon.
America is great because of the Constitution and our people. They have made it pretty clear what they think about this President and his policies (still the only President to never reach 50% approval from the American people).
The rules we created have made a better world and an amazing country. If you don’t like it, there are plenty of other places for you to live. If you want a country that feels like the typical red state, there are lots of poor, uneducated, economically stagnant, religiously-intolerant nations around the world for you to move to.
Leave the success known as the United States to those who know how it happened and want to keep it going.
All of that is in spite of the political norms, not because of them. Don’t conflate political norms with cultural norms.
Our cultural norms have, thankfully, changed drastically over the years. That’s kinda the point of the Cinstitution: constant, slow change to make an increasingly better country. Nothing is sacred except the central Enlightenment principles that assert that rights belong to people and aren’t something that government provides in addition to the premise that the government is subject to the consent of the governed, not the other way around.
And no, it wasn’t accomplished in spite of norms. The disasters came when radicals tried to make massive change with minority support. The religious push for Prohibition (and, today, abortion) are perfect examples of the government trying to force minority opinions and infringe rights. It is radical and it is wrong. The norms will soon reassert themselves as people realize that, like McCarthyism, this is a horrific overreach by restrictionists who hate the idea that people should choose most things for themselves and government should butt out.