Marjorie Taylor Greene Is Dead Wrong About Outlawing Climate Geoengineering
An unholy alliance between MAGA and progressives to ban research on an emergency backup plan to cool the planet may be emerging.

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R–Ga.) and leading MAGA mountebank earlier this month urgently demanded that "we must end the dangerous and deadly practice of weather modification and geoengineering." She added, "This is not normal. I want clean air, clean skies, clean rain water, clean ground water, and sun shine just like God created it!! No person, company, entity, or government should ever be allowed to modify our weather by any means possible!!"
Subsequently, the congresswoman has now introduced a bill in Congress making it a felony for anyone to attempt "weather modification" anywhere in the United States. The text of her "Clear Skies Act" prohibits "any injection, release, emission, or dispersal of a chemical, a chemical compound, or a substance, or conveyance of an apparatus, into the atmosphere for the express purpose of…producing an artificial change in the composition, behavior, or dynamics of the atmosphere; or…affecting the temperature, weather, climate, or intensity of sunlight." Examples of prohibited activities include "geoengineering" "cloud seeding" "solar radiation modification and management" and "a release of an aerosol into the atmosphere to influence temperature, precipitation, or the intensity of sunlight."
Greene has a long history of promoting debunked theories about chemtrails and cloud-seeded floods (not to mention innuendos about Jewish space lasers causing forest fires), and her proposed prohibition on atmospheric geoengineering can now be added to her list of specious provocations.
As a matter of fact, there is currently an ongoing "injection, release, or dispersal" of a a chemical compound or a substance that is already geoengineering the "temperature, precipitation, or the intensity of sunlight." These are globe-warming greenhouse gases that are accumulating in the atmosphere as the result of increased carbon dioxide emissions from burning fossil fuels, methane and various synthetic gases. As a consequence, last year was the hottest in the instrumental record. Speaking of weather modification, man-made climate change contributes to the increase in the frequency and duration of heatwaves and extreme precipitation globally and in the United States.
Now some researchers want to experiment with reverse-geoengineering the atmosphere with the aim of slowing man-made climate change by reducing the globe's average temperatures. One of the more promising proposals is stratospheric aerosol injection. This involves releasing tons of tiny particles high in the stratosphere where they would reflect a small percentage of incoming sunlight back into space as a way to reduce global average temperatures. We know that this likely would work to reduce global average temperatures due to a natural experiment. In 1991, the eruption of Mt. Pinatubo in the Philippines injected 20 million tons of sulfur dioxide into the stratosphere, cooling the planet by 0.5 degrees Celsius over the following year. One middle-of-the-road estimate is that a SAI program would cost about $18 billion annually per degree Celsius of warming avoided.
Another geoengineering proposal aimed at counteracting some of the consequences of man-made climate change is marine cloud brightening (MCB). In this case, a fleet of ships would ply the oceans spraying salt water into the atmosphere, which would aid creation of very reflective low-level clouds. Interestingly, the 2020 prohibition on cargo ships burning high sulfur fuel oil reduced the number of bright cloud tracks formed by ships, and research suggests that this has contributed to a recent acceleration in global warming. Cost estimates to implement MCB programs to cool the planet range from $5 to $40 billion per year.
Historically, political opposition to climate geoengineering has mainly come from the progressive left. So it is somewhat amusing that Greene now appears to be endorsing and promoting the views of some of her progressive colleagues.
Contrary to Greene's fears, permitting research on a backup emergency plan to cool should be an urgent priority. We are bequeathing to our descendants a world in which the climate is changing in what may be very deleterious ways. Surely banning research that would supply people later in this century with information about the risks and benefits various geoengineering tools would be wrong. As two geoengineering research proponents asked, "Is it justified for us to deprive future generations of tools that may lessen the pain we have inflicted? They may or may not use these tools, but surely those decisions are theirs to make."
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Am I the only one who wonders why the gang that wants everyone in an electric car also wants to shade the world?
They saw the Matrix and thought, "Cool, let's make the world exactly like that."
And their Boomer parents remembered 1984, and said "Hey, that's the way we should run society!"
It's "We have always been at war with EastAsia" meets "Since the beginning of time man has yearned to destroy the sun." except it's not criticism or satire.
Evangelicals don't do satire.
The total cost to perpetually emergency funding a stable climate comes with a sticker price of less than half of that of the train to nowhere.
... and Ron the Retard is falling for it.
“ As a matter of fact, there is currently an ongoing "injection, release, or dispersal" of a a chemical compound or a substance that is already geoengineering the "temperature, precipitation, or the intensity of sunlight." These are globe-warming greenhouse gases that are accumulating in the atmosphere as the result of increased carbon dioxide emissions from burning fossil fuels, methane and various synthetic gases.”
By this metric, every breath you take is a externality that must be regulated to prevent too much breathing. Fuck you Bailey and your terrible anti-human religion.
The Hubris of mankind. The global warming ideologues fearing what they predict to be true, that history has debunked completely, don't care about the results of their actions.
Why bother spraying Sulphur Dioxide into the atmosphere, just drop a bomb in a volcano and let er rip!
Globalists have found the easiest way to control idiots is to lie to them and make them fearful. From climate alarmism to tariff based economic collapses. All the same.
Reality doesn't matter to them.
Threatening catastrophe unless the peasants obey the gods has been around since the invention of language.
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.
H. L. Mencken
emergency backup plan
Emergency... backup... plan.
Seriously, Ron, this is only slightly more intelligent as "I forgot my wallet in my other pants." Maybe Greene shouldn't be legislating against forgetting your wallet in your other pants but that doesn't exempt you from being among the legion of dishonest retards who walked us to where we are today.
What’s more libertarian than TOP MEN controlling the weather for everyone else?
What could possibly go wrong?
Only Top Men?
Then four out of five akitas approve this plan.
Bailey, you should go read about other historical attempts at engineering the environment like killing off all the wolves.
Birds. China. Stupid. Repeat. Bailey. Science!
Done with the best of intentions!
Better and cheaper idea: CO2 is bad, and humans breathe out CO2 24/7/365, so we just outlaw exhaling!
If we start with those who preach global climate warming change, I just know the problem will be solved before we have to move on to all democrats.
Will a cloth mask be enough?
No, she is not.
There is exactly one way to test geoengineering theories; try them and see. There are zero models that can accurately demonstrate their effects. There are simply too many variables to account for, and too many of those variables are completely unknown; never mind the unknown variables we don't even know about yet. There are zero lab experiments that can be performed before launching any geoengineering pipe dream. Even isolated testing is insufficient as the effect over a small area of the earth cannot accurately be extrapolated to the whole system.
The only way to test is to do it, and if it fucks things up more it's too fucking late because the damage is done. This is one case where the Precautionary Principal is absolutely apropos. Billions of people who will be given no say in the matter ought not be forced to suffer because some wannabe eco engineers and policy makers have a hairbrained, Scooby Doo scheme to cool the Earth.
All models are wrong, some are useful. - George Box
Have yet to see an environmental model be useful.
He was right about covid and vaxxes so perhaps give him a long leash on this.
It might be worth a shot?
Does that leash hold an akita?
Hey. That’s a dog whistle.
Ron has completely gone over the edge. At least with Covid he only advocated for more testing, mandatory experimental jabs and bigger better more suffocating masks. And lockdowns. Now he thinks the experts should be free to make us cold and block out the fucking sun. Fuck off Ron. You are beyond redemption. Some of us will never forget or forgive. Find a quart of vodka and climb in. It might improve your journalism.
A “science” journalist* that feels TOP MEN are working in our best interests isn’t about to change anytime soon. Their whole toolbox consists of appeals to authority.
If there are any working today that can survive the Carl Sagan baloney detector, I’d love to hear their names.
Climate change is bullshit as was global cooling and global warming.
But it's good to know Reason has fallen for this hoax.
There's a potential to have a year without summer soon. It happened in 1816 killed millions.
Eventual global cooling is inevitable, as the current glacial minimum period ends, and the glaciers begin advancing again towards the next glacial maximum. We just don't know the exact timing of that.
Give the EPA more power, what a great idea, with the best of intentions...What could possible go wrong?
What a dumb cunt. And what a great winning political strategy. To be the Georgian congresswomen whose legislation banned air conditioning.
Maybe MTG sees herself as a Bond girl, ready to help take on the next cartoon global climate villain.
But who plays 007?
Musk. Elon Musk.
Jeff the Drunk?
If we can engineer a virus, why not the climate?
Every day, a butt-ton of us modify our immediate environments using heating and air conditioning. If'n Ye do SNOT like engineering your environment, PLEASE be my guest, leave your comfy clothes, bed, and house, and sleep NAKED in the grass and mud out back, and let the bugs and worms bite your butt!!! Now THAT will be more NATURAL!!!
So, Bailey, you want the same junk science that has been wrong on every prediction ever made and has to routinely manipulate data from the past to cover up how bad their predictions are...to be able to intentionally manipulate the atmosphere, of which we have little knowledge of how it works.
Are you high?
Science is leftist and the author is the science guy, which means he and all he says is leftist.
Just stop already.
If YOU (and Your PervFected, Neglected, Infected idiot-allies) will just STOP spreading Your PervFected Brainless LIES, I bet that sarcasmic just MIGHT stop aping Your PervFected Idiocy!
STOP BEING SUCH AN EASY TARGET!!!!
You've gone way beyond just drunk, just stupid, just retarded, just idiotic, and you've managed to reach a point in trolling whereby your trolls have got to be the dumbest, stupidest, most retarded things I've ever seen, and believe me, I've seen a lot, I lived through many flame wars on Usenet. Sarc, you're not just Retard of the Day, Retard of the Month, Retard of the Year, I think you've gone straight to Retard of the Millennium, and we've still got 975 years to go!
He finally gets an award.
Full leftist retard redditor.
(1) ATMOSPHERE.—The term “atmosphere” means the gaseous envelope surrounding the Earth, including all airspace within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.
(2) WEATHER MODIFICATION.—
(A) IN GENERAL.—The term “weather modification” means any injection, release, emission, or dispersal of a chemical, a chemical compound, or a substance, or conveyance of an apparatus, into the atmosphere for the express purpose of—
(i) producing an artificial change in the composition, behavior, or dynamics of the atmosphere; or
(ii) affecting the temperature, weather, climate, or intensity of sunlight.
EPA would never interrupt that to mean everywhere there is a gas. Its not like navigatable waters or anything. And an A/C is an apperatus placed in the gaseous envelope. And its sole purpose is the changing of temperature.
Central Planning uber alles
Simpsons did it!
Lobbied for by climatologists (indoctrinated morons)...
Who ran around for decades claiming [WE] are polluting the planet are now lobbying to pollute the planet for fun just to see what happens.
$50 says that if you cut the Illegal tax-payers pot-of-gold from their THEFT funded ?research? games the whole proposal would all just magically go away and there wouldn't be any need for 'banning' anything.
She's right for the wrong reasons.
If you seriously believe that the planet needs "cooling," then you need your head examined. I'm not even being facetious, hyperbolic, or sarcastic. There is something wrong, in your brain, if you believe any of this nonsense.
with the aim of slowing man-made climate change
Which isn't a thing. The sheer arrogance of claims like this is gobsmacking. Like you genuinely believe that the Earth even notices what mankind is doing, when it's more than capable in its ability to compensate for it given that it deals with volcanic eruptions that are a million times worse than any nonsense the scrabbling humans "cause" when we can't even meaningfully live on 4/5ths of the planet's surface.
I swear, aside from LGBT Pedos, the gaia cultists are the ones who I desperately want to brain right in the face with the flat side of a shovel.
All my life the gaia cultists have been screaming about the end of the world, and now they don't even care about half the crap they cried about.
First it was the ice caps. Then it was the whales and the spotted owls. Then it was the rainforests. Who even talks about the rainforests anymore. Then they just started babbling aimlessly, apparently without any other thing to complain about, because the seasons change. You know what'll help? Throwing a can of tomato soup in a museum!
These people are retards. Nobody should take them seriously. The gaia cult is a laughingstock, as is every single iota of their ridiculous cult ideology.
The Geo Metro was a piece of shit and no further engineering should be done on it.
Once I tricked it out I could outrace the Honda Del Sol any day of the week.
....
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No..... no, no I couldn't. 🙁
My Corvair would leave both in the dust. And it was declared unsafe at any speed! Now that's the definition of Badass.
Did you have a Strohs in your hand?
Back off on the science fiction, Ronald. Stop listening to Coast to Coast. Join us here in reality.
The nutty far left and the nutty far right are equally disconnected from reality. As are most commenters here.
We've noticed that about you, asshole.
I met a guy who runs a ground based cloud seeding generator at a bar. He has been operating it for around 40 years. Government pays for its operation.
What's the point of running a ground based cloud seeding generator at a bar?
Are you talking about a smoke machine on the dance floor?
I think its a modern SJW, backhandedly racist euphemism for "Native American".
That, or the guy is a barista or espresso machine salesman.
I hate to agree with her, because she's nuts, but this is the sort of thing that could destroy humanity.
We are far, far more vulnerable to an Ice Age than it getting hotter on average by a couple of degrees.
We are IN an Ice Age. We've just been in a glacial minimum for the last 13,000 or so years. Sometime relatively soon, the glaciers will advance again.
And looking at the libertarian angle (I know, I know), it basically breaks the non-aggression principle against everyone on the planet.
You could argue climate change does that as well, but that's happening because of buying decisions we've made, as well as the left's freakout over nuclear power (which would have solved this in the 70s).
But unilaterally deciding to change the weather of the planet? That's super villain stuff.
I'm having trouble parsing this:
I know who Rep Taylor Greene is, bit who is "leading Maga mountebank?" Is that some handle on twitter or something? This sentence really needs explanation.
Ron pulled out his thesaurus, looked up "snake oil salesman" and found the most archaic possible synonym, hoping that it would make him seem smarter?
This is so fucking stupid:
“One of the more promising proposals is stratospheric aerosol injection. This involves releasing tons of tiny particles high in the stratosphere where they would reflect a small percentage of incoming sunlight back into space as a way to reduce global average temperatures. We know that this likely would work to reduce global average temperatures due to…”
THE FACT THAT WE ALREADY HAVE BEEN DOUNG THIS FOR DECADES NUMBNUTS.
FTFY.
Yes chemtrails are real. But outlawing them jus t plays right into the military’s hands - they don’t gaf about the laws, they do what they want. If it’s black ops, even better. Now they don’t have to report to anyone, but worse, they can weaponize this technology against US citizens - or any other nation - and have plausible deniability.
Thanks a lot MTG
So, the people who are fighting to ban "forever chemicals" want to put tons of chemicals into the air to force cooling (which isn't even necessary)? Nothing could go wrong, surely.
Just because a volcano can spew enough shit into the air to cool the planet a bit, doesn't mean humans should be trying to replicate that.
Bailey still has no understanding of science or risk management. MTG is on the right track at least whereas Bailey is still advocating bad science and worse actions based off of the erroneous conclusions.
"emergency backup plan"
Worked so well when we actually had a problem with the Wu Flu, didn't it?
BTW, read:
“Unsettled”, Steven Koonin
“Apocalypse Never”, Michael Shellenberger
“Climate Uncertainty and Risk”, Judith Curry
“Fossil Future”, Alex Epstein
“Power Hungry”, Robert Bryce
“False Alarm”, Bjorn Lomborg
And get back to us.
In other news, the sky is falling. Is there an emergency back up plan to keep it up there?
Hey Representative Greene (and other naysayers), c'mon up to New England and enjoy our nice cool summers..... woops, not any more since high sulfur fueled ships have been eliminated, reducing the amount of sulfur particulate over the North Atlantic, and raising our temperatures in the Gulf of Maine about 5 degrees since 2020.
Geoengineering works, and is apparently easily discontinued when we finally get it together and go nuclear (fission or fusion when we get it figured out).
Meanwhile, if you don't like technological changes in the world around you, I suggest you go back to eating your meat raw and wearing down your teeth chewing on whatever weed seeds you can find.
So the Precautionary Principle is great when it comes CO2 reduction despite the likelihood that doing so could destroy the economy, cause massive famines and kill many more people during resource-poor winters than will be saved during summer nights but the Precautionary Principle is bad when it comes to blocking sunlight from the plants that feed us or any of the thousand other crazy geoengineering schemes. The hubris in this article is nauseating.