There's Probably No 'Smoking Gun' in the JFK or Epstein Cases. We Should Be Allowed To Look Anyway.
You don't need to uncover a vast conspiracy to find valuable revelations—and without transparency, you don't know what revelations might be there.

The CIA's coverup about the assassination of President John F. Kennedy is unraveling. Despite the agency denying that it knew anything about assassin Lee Harvey Oswald before the murder, newly declassified documents shed light on the links between Oswald, a Cuban guerrilla group known as the Directorio Revolucionario Estudiantil (DRE), and CIA case officer George Joannides.
Several months before the assassination, Oswald had offered to work for the DRE, a CIA proxy overseen by Joannides. Years later, Joannides—operating under a fake name—became the CIA's liaison to Congress during a congressional investigation into the assassination. The documents add to a pile of evidence that the CIA had been following Oswald for years and deliberately covered it up afterward.
Oswald "really wasn't alone, he had the CIA looking over his shoulder for four years," said Jefferson Morley, a historian who has long pushed for opening the Joannides files, in an interview with The Washington Post.
Decades of dogged investigative work have poked plenty of holes in the official story around Kennedy's assassination. But they haven't produced a smoking gun, a single document that demonstrates what the CIA wanted out of Oswald or what knowledge it had about his fatal plans. And that smoking gun may never turn up; Morley and others speculated to the Post that Joannides was running an "off-the-books" operation through the DRE.
The same is likely to be true about another case that's in the news this week: that of the late sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein. After he died in custody in 2019, calls have grown for the government to release the "Epstein client list." As I argued several months ago, such a list likely doesn't exist. What does exist is a scattered patchwork of evidence about the people Epstein associated with and leads waiting to be followed up on.
To be clear, the official story on Epstein has some troubling inconsistencies. Last week, the Department of Justice and FBI released a memo stating that they found "no credible evidence found that Epstein blackmailed prominent individuals as part of his actions." But it has been publicly reported that Epstein attempted to extort tech tycoon Bill Gates over Gates' (legal) extramarital affair.
The Trump administration has not exactly inspired confidence in its transparency or diligence. Attorney General Pam Bondi said in February that bombshell information was "sitting on my desk," then released a heavily redacted set of documents labeled "Epstein Files: Phase 1," most of which were already public. Last week, the Department of Justice claimed it would release "raw" surveillance footage from Epstein's prison wing on the night he died, then published a sloppily compiled video clip with a minute of footage missing.
President Donald Trump himself told his followers on Saturday not to "waste Time and Energy on Jeffrey Epstein, somebody that nobody cares about." (It was a change in tune from last year, when Republican politicians attacked the Democratic administration for not pursuing the Epstein case enough.)
Government coverups rarely involve compiling one document that lays out all the wrongdoing in detail—such as the CIA's "family jewels" in the 1960s—and hiding it from the public. It makes far more sense for officials to keep the wrongdoing from being put to paper in the first place. Conspirators make informal plans off the record. Internal investigators turn a blind eye to evidence that they think might lead to inconvenient places.
Epstein was only arrested in 2019, after all, because reporting by Julie Brown in the Miami Herald and a lawsuit by victim Virginia Giuffre forced the federal government to reopen the case. Authorities had originally struck a plea deal with Epstein in 2007 that gave him a short prison term along with immunity for any co-conspirators who might come to light.
Official defensiveness around information is not necessarily proof that officials know about a smoking gun hidden around the corner. Oftentimes, it seems that they fear an investigation because they don't know what it will turn up. And that's exactly why it's worth pushing for more transparency, whether in the Kennedy assassination or the Epstein case. Even if there is no smoking gun to be found, following the trail can bring worthwhile revelations. Often the search can go in completely unexpected directions.
The JFK Assassination Records Collection Act of 1992 has helped uncover many other mysteries of Cold War espionage history. Just this year, the U.S. government was forced to release information about its espionage in Mexico and on U.S. soil, its foreign election interference, its 1961 assassination of Dominican dictator Rafael Trujillo, and its role in the South Vietnamese coup of 1963, all because these documents touched the intrigue surrounding Kennedy's assassination.
Following Epstein's connections to world leaders could similarly uncover modern political intrigue. While some conservative media have fixated on Epstein's connections to former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, his Rolodex also included a British prince, a close confidant to the royal family of Dubai, a Russian cabinet minister, former U.S. President Bill Clinton, and Trump himself.
Not everyone who crossed paths with Epstein was involved in his sexual crimes. (Although the paraplegic physicist Stephen Hawking visited Epstein's private island, for example, the internet memes about his debauchery there were completely fake news.) Still, it's worthwhile on its own to figure out which powerful figures Epstein brought together and what they discussed at his gatherings.
While there's a danger in being too credulous about fantastical conspiracy theories, there's also a danger in being too credulous when powerful people insist that there is nothing to see here. After Trump told conservative journalist Charlie Kirk to tone down his criticism of Bondi over the Epstein files, Kirk said on air that he's "done talking about Epstein. I'm going to trust my friends in the administration. I'm going to trust my friends in the government."
With that attitude, we wouldn't know what we know about the Kennedy assassination—and Epstein would still be a free man.
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No smoking gun. Just a list.
happiness is a warm gun.
Woodchipper
Come on; everybody on the client list says there is no client list.
Why do you have a hard time believing them?
Suppose there is a "client list". Who is to say that list is true? What if Epstein just added people to the list because he didn't like them and he knew it might someday become public? The whole point of releasing the client list, if there is one, is to destroy the lives of the people on the list. Given that fact, shouldn't there be some concern over whether the "list", assuming there is such a thing, actually means what you think it does?
We would need to see notarized membership cards.
What does being on a "client list" even mean? What does this list you are convinced exists look like and what does it say? Most importantly, what reason is there to believe it is entirely accurate? If someone is on there who is innocent, they should get their lives and reputations destroyed because "pedophiles"? Is that the standard now?
Don’t peg me as a “believer “ .
Working (pronounced Wukong) pretty hard here...
As the leftists say, you can't make a utopia without breaking open some eggheads and kicking their brains into mush.
Even more likely: What if Epstein didn't HAVE a 'client list', but he DID have a 'target list' ?
A simple list of everyone he planned to target, either by entrapping them in real crimes, or smearing them with entrapped situations supplemented by false evidence to 'suggest' that they might be guilty of crimes, or a list of all the people he had heard rumours about suggesting that they MIGHT be vulnerable to FUTURE entrapment schemes, or a list of who was socially networked with whom, and therefore who could be leaned upon to get them to exert influence to prevent certain unknown details from coming to light...
Adam Adamson slept with a teenage girl, who he knew was a teenage girl, and Epstein has records to prove it. Adams is on Epstein's target list.
Baker Bakerson was persuaded to help someone he didn't know was a drunk teenage hooker to the bathroom so she could pretend to throw up, in accordance with instructions giver to her ahead of time by Epstein. Then, a rough body double whose face we can't see was filmed having sex with her in that bathroom. So it kind of looks like Baker Bakerson MIGHT have had sex with a teenage hooker, even though he probably didn't. Bakers is on the target list.
Charles Charleston was rumoured to be interested in young boys, and Epstein had a plan for how he MIGHT entrap Charles, if it was true, and if Epstein had a chance in the future to test it. Charles is on the target list.
David Davidson flew on a plane once that was owned by Epstein, because he didn't know who Epstein was, and a friend invited him onto a private plane headed in the right direction. nothing happened. But he's on the list.
Eric Ericson has never even MET Epstein, or been anywhere near Epstein's properties, or been rumoured to have any proclivities that Epstein might possibly leverage someday.... but Eric Ericson is friends with Davidson and Charleston. If a rumour were to reach Eric Ericson's ears that a detailed in-depth investigation into Epstein MIGHT uncover a list on which the names of Davidson and Charleston MIGHT appear, and there's no telling what they MIGHT have done, or MIGHT have been falsely accused of... maybe Ericson could be persuaded to discourage the investigation from ever occurring, because Ericson didn't want to know what it might or might not reveal. And that mere suspicion of how Ericson MIGHT be leanable onto got Ericson placed on Epstein's target list.
Frank Franks can't even be leaned on. He's too much of a straight shooter. BUT, if, say, a random junior FBI agent or junior florida prosecutor were to SEE Frank's name on an Epstein list... maybe that junior law enforcer would self-censor himself, because of how much he respected Franks, or was intimidated by Franks, without anyone even ever checking why Franks was on the list or telling Franks there was a list. So, since Epstein knew that might happen, and he might need it someday... Epstein put Franks on the list.
And everything Epstein wrote on his lists is deliberately slanted to be ambiguous, in code that only Epstein understands, and to make everyone on the list look as guilty as possible, without explaining how the classification system Epstein was using actually worked. Using highly suggestive code words based around sex acts. For example, all persons in the Franks category gets listed next to the word "handjob.", and only Epstein knew what that actually meant, which had nothing to do with actual sex acts.
Under the circumstances... how could it possibly be the responsible thing to publicly release such a list? AT LEAST half the people on that list might very well be there purely as slander-bait.
In the case of the JFK files, everyone in those files is long dead. So, history and the public have a right to see everything. The Epstein files are different. There are larger issues at play than just the desire to see the files.
Information discovered in a criminal investigation cannot be released to the public unless doing so is necessary as part of an ongoing prosecution. There is good reason for that. Suppose the DEA is investigating a guy for smuggling drugs and following him around. As part of that, they find out he is banging someone's wife at a hotel room. If the guy ends up not being charged or is charged and pleads such that the fact that he was going to a hotel room to bang some married woman is never put into open court, why should it be released to the public and that woman's life and marriage ruined? It shouldn't. There is no reason to release it.
In this case, all of the criminal cases are done. The statute of limitations has passed on any of the "clients" even if there was a case to be made. So, DOJ can't release that information. And to say that they can means that any information related to a criminal investigation must be released to the public regardless of the need for it to be used in a criminal prosecution. I do not think that is a rule anyone who believes in fairness or privacy should want.
Would you want the same for a Maryland dad? No need to implicate potentially innocent autopen operators either. We shouldn't ask questions about Biden’s daughter's diary either I suppose.
On the other hand, It is of concern to the people that Epstein may have been manipulating powerful people through extortion. This may help explain why our government seems to do the same stuff regardless of who is in power and what they campaigned on. It is also likely the reason both parties are implicated in the cover up.
We already know Trump and Clinton were buddies with Epstein, so what are they hiding? We deserve transparency. This is not how you drain a swamp.
Maryland Dad is guilty of multiple crimes and was deported for it. Your analogy is idiotic
Is "deported" the difference? Because Epstein is also guilty of multiple crimes.
Can you explain why known criminal Epstein and his elite conspirators and acquaintances deserve privacy and why known criminal maryland dad and his poor immigrant conspirators and acquaintances don't?
The repercussions of Maryland dad's crime are tiny relative to those of Epstein. You have this backwards
The JFK assassination was only 62 years ago. Some of those in the files are still alive.
CIA isn't going to allow what Jeffrey was doing to go public. Whether it's gun running and/or honey traps (with or without pedophilia) and/or other covert ops, they are going to keep lying till its water under the bridge.
The real scandal is not what Epstein or was not doing. Powerful people have always loved to bang teenage girls. That is not surprising. The real scandal is that this was known for years, and the FBI did nothing about it. When the US Attorney in Florida did finally indict him, Washington told him to drop the case.
That is the real scandal. I think all of the stuff about client lists and videos and such is just nonsense put out by the deep state to distract the public from asking the important questions that the deep state doesn't want answered.
The real scandal is not what Epstein or was not doing.
I kinda think that what Epstein did is a real scandal.
It be a intelligence scandal not no jailbait ho scandal.
Sure full of Jews too.
According to the regime, there was a client list sitting on Pam Bondi's desk, there was no client list, and there was a client list written by Obama and Hillary.
Supposedly Ghislaine Maxwell has offered to testify before Congress. It will be amusing to see who wants her to and who insists she not do so.
In defence of Trump - he is not a pedophile. He is a hebephile (hence my joke, "how can you say Trump's anti-Semitic? He's a Hebephile!"), which doesn't necessarily involve illegality. However, I suspect that at some point he was intentionally set up with a girl who he thought was old enough but wasn't.
IMO it is not Trump who is being defended by his regime loyalists here, but people who Trump would rather not see involved.
There is zero evidence Trump had anything to do with Epstein. He never traveled to the island and eventually banned Epstein from Mar lago. If there is one thing you can say for sure about this whole affair, it is that if there was anything about Trump in the Epstein files about Trump, it would have been leaked to the media years ago.
Trump has never shown any tendency to bang under age girls. All Trump has ever done is trade in his wives for a newer model every few years. To call him a hebephile just makes you look like a retard.
LOL
A) There is no client list and there was never anything to this but smoke and mirrors, Rump is a liar, and he has played all the MAGA nuts for chumps and fools.
or
B) There is a client list and Rump is protecting everybody on it, Rump is a liar, and he has played all the MAGA nuts for chumps and fools.
I was born at night, but not last night. Bullshit meter on 11.
both crimes of the Blob but not equivalent crimes.
you will still only see what they want you to see and there are probably plenty of documents already destroyed forever anyhow.
The fact that a zoomer can believe anything the government says (much less about something as explosive as Epstein) after all they went through with the Chinavirus bullshit of 2020-2022 is astonishing.
It makes me sad.
Ghislaine Maxwell is in prison for life for trafficking underage girls to ... nobody.
“We was all tricked”!
...And no one kept records of anything, ever.
Would you keep records of your illegal activity?
Russell 'Stringer' Bell: Motherfucker, what is that?
Sean 'Shamrock' McGinty: Robert Rules say we gotta have minutes for a meeting, right? These the minutes.
Russell 'Stringer' Bell: Nigga, is you taking notes on a criminal fucking conspiracy?
Maybe the list isn't a smoking gun. The thousands of hours of kiddy and rape porn staring rich and famous people on the other hand.
This has all the hallmarks of a stupid right-wing conspiracy. Erveryone is latching on to a "list" as if Eppstein was a cartoon villain with a list just sitting around.
But since Maga went there big time and Trump fueled it with clinton body count hashtags we must go there. It's not a list, just knodge that Epstein did illegal stuff with underage girls and a heavy suspiciaon he shared it with others. And who else would have partook? Maybe a womanizing fellow billionaire who was his best friend? Someone who has a track rcord of chdating on his wife and going through trophy wives faster than tiger woods collected actual trophies in his hey dey. Yeah, that guy.
In a normal world this would have been a great angle to investigate the world of the mega-rich and how they are able to use their wealtht to get around laws you and I must abide by. Why don't we see pictures of billionaire johns caught up in dragnets in your loacl newspaper like we see of reggular guys? Hint: It's because of the money. Maybe there is a connection between allowing people to get mega wealthy in a society where women feel like they must sell their services because there are not other avenues of wealth generation? Or maybe that's why we get BBB tax cuts? Keeps the system going.
So, Reason is okay with ratting people out publicly for despicable behavior, even when no charges have been filed against them? Why should it be public record? What happened to privacy rights?
"What happened to privacy rights?"
Democrats.