There Are Better Ways To Help Restaurant Workers Than No Tax on Tips
Helping servers takes more than a temporary tip tax break.

When Donald Trump climbed onto stage at a Nevada campaign rally in June 2024 and pledged "no taxes on tips," his proclamation was brushed off by many pundits as the usual Trumpian stump speech improvisation. Just over a year later, what was once dismissed as farcical has now become the law of the land with the passage of the One Big Beautiful Bill Act (OBBBA). But the policy wisdom of tax-free tips is still open for debate.
Under the OBBBA, workers can treat tips as an above-the-line deduction for the first $25,000 in tips they receive. The deduction will apply to federal income taxes, but not federal payroll taxes, and it will phase out for workers making over $150,000 individually or $300,000 jointly. Like many of the other tax breaks, it is also temporary, expiring in 2028.
While this deduction will no doubt allow many servers to take home more of their tips, the implementation details show the limitations of the tax break. The deduction is meant to apply to occupations that "customarily and regularly receive tips"—a list of which will be developed by the Treasury Department and the IRS.
This promises to inevitably create certain winners and losers, depending on what industry someone works in. Restaurant and hospitality workers will obviously make the cut, but what about occupations in which tipping is sporadic but still present? Jobs like being a handyman or car mechanic, depending on the circumstances, can involve tipping but may fall short of the "regularly" or "customarily" criteria. But is a working-class handyman any less deserving of a tax break than a waiter at a Michelin-starred restaurant?
Another wrinkle is that tips are deemed "qualified" for the tax break only if they are "paid voluntarily without any consequence in the event of nonpayment" and are "determined by the payor." As numerous tax attorneys have already pointed out, this will exclude situations like restaurants attaching mandatory gratuity to parties of a certain size, as many establishments do—another seemingly arbitrary distinction given that one or two fewer guests at a table could be the difference between a server paying taxes on their tips or not.
Details aside, the push for tax-free tips overlooks better ways to help tipped employees. As tips are becoming tax-free at the federal level, states and localities continue to push bans on the tipped wage credit for many occupations. The tipped wage credit is what allows workers in tipped industries to be paid below the minimum wage so long as their tips make up the difference (otherwise, the employer must step in and pay the full minimum wage).
Blue states like New York, Connecticut, and Illinois have considered eliminating the credit and hiking minimum wages for workers, while the District of Columbia prominently made headlines with a successful 2022 ballot initiative in which residents voted to eliminate the credit.
Washington's situation is particularly illustrative because the minimum wage hikes and credit elimination for the district's servers resulted in restaurants in the city instituting "service" fees of 10–20 percent onto customer bills. At the same time, data suggested that servers were earning less in the wake of the change and that full-service restaurants in the district were being forced to cut staff as a result of the higher labor costs they faced. The blowback from the law was so significant that the D.C. city council stepped in this year to pause implementation of the wage hikes for servers—which were staggered to increase over time—and now may opt for outright reversal of the hike.
The experience in Washington, D.C. shows the importance of the tipped wage credit to both restaurants and restaurant workers, and that protection of the credit should be a policy priority on the right. Organized campaigns like One Fair Wage are dedicated to upending the tipped wage structure in localities across the country, and if successful, fewer and fewer restaurant and hospitality workers might be receiving tips in the first place as more establishments will be forced to move to traditional minimum wage compensation structures (and correspondingly higher menu prices).
In addition to playing policy defense to protect tipped wages, proactive policy ideas like a portable benefits model should also be explored in sectors that rely on tipped employees. One of the most frequent criticisms of restaurant and hospitality work is that workers in these industries often lack access to benefits.
This is a similar dynamic to that seen in the gig economy, which suggests the potential for a novel solution to this issue. States like Pennsylvania, Maryland, and Georgia have partnered with gig platforms to initiate pilot programs that create a system of portable benefits for gig workers, such as Uber drivers or DoorDash deliverers. These systems can take many forms, but one idea is to utilize SEP-IRA-style funds that both employers and workers can contribute to, and which the workers can then use to obtain paid sick leave, unemployment insurance, health insurance, and other benefits.
A portable benefits setup should be explored in the restaurant and hospitality industry as well. In fact, a "grand bargain" could be struck, in which the tipped wage structure is protected at the same time a portable benefit system is established. This would allow these workers to maintain their tipped compensation structure while also having more potential access to employment benefits.
Given that tipped wage work comprises much of the lifeblood of the American middle class, it's understandable that politicians would want to help these workers. But there are better ways to do that than a temporary tax deduction on tips.
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Simplest of all 'solutions' is to eliminate all benefits, and let workers get their full wage. Then they buy the benefits they actually want on a free(er) market.
It makes no sense for men to pay for maternity coverage, or women to pay for prostate cancer coverage, let alone having to pay for family coverage when you are not going to have a family. Why should an employee with a masters degree consider undergraduate tuition reimbursement a "benefit"?
Of course, I understand that the democrats will object to people actually making decisions on their own, but think of the simplicity that could come to the tax code.
Let's do it for the children!
Once government winked its blind eye to employer health care during WW II as a way around wage controls, the game was over. There's not a hope in hell of undoing any of that.
That said, I do fantasize about the ungodly mess of Obamacare and all its exceptions and exemptions eventually adding a lifetime opt-out choice for adults, say at age 30 when they have presumably learned enough to be considered actual adults, whereby they legally surrender forever any government medical assistance except possibly pain relief as you die, never have to pay any taxes which go to anyone else's medical care, and can make any arrangements they want with any company, whether insurance or paying from savings. It will never happen, and if it did, it would still be larded down with favoritism.
Pain relief as you die is already very hard to get, whether or not you can pay, due to irrational prescription drug policies. I'm sure this is contributing to the increase in suicides of older men—once you've been diagnosed with a terminal illness, who wants to stick around for an agonizing death?
Yes. The so-called opioid crisis is the typical result of government fixing a problem of its own creation.
Every problem comes down to government sooner or later.
Back for a pet peeve: what idiot decided the 'suggested tip amount" calculation should include taxes?!
Does that portion of the tip go to the government?
When the government is involved, the worker always gets the shaft.
Don't forget the taxpayer, General.
So if I read this right..
Higher min wage and more government benefits control? Nah.
So if I read this right..
failed already
Just like all of your arguments, Jeffy.
Piss off Fatfuck, you’re a discredit idiot liar.
I don't really have much to say about Lying Jeffy trying to troll Jesse, but when I saw everyone telling the piece of garbage to fuck off I knew I had to join in.
Fuck off Jeff.
He has been trying for months lol. Problem is you hear is fat footsteps a mile away.
Footsteps? Shamu’s moving around in a Little Rascal mobility scooter with upgraded suspension.
While Americans work and pay taxes, Karen Bass wants to give more "free" taxpayer money to illegal immigrants.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/la-mayor-bass-provides-cash-payments-illegals-issues-order-thwart-immigration-enforcement
Hey, how else do you expect Bass to buy votes? With her own money?
Of course Karen Bass is just as idiotic and extreme on this issue as Trump and the masked ICE agents raiding farms and restaurants are - just extreme in different directions.
But Binary Man doesn't know this because - in true time-honored, MAGA fashion - there can be only 1 right and 1 wrong. The idea that BOTH sides can be wrong about an issue is simply mind-boggling.
MAGA - a cognitive disease that's actually curable!
Lol. Sarxs retarded sock weighs in.
They have had warrants for all raids retard. There is nothing extreme about enforcing the INA as written retard.
What is extreme is allowing 10M immigrants to flow across the border. Giving them benefits. Giving them free passes from DAs for deportable crimes. Ignoring their crimes.
Basically your views are the retarded extreme views. As seen in actual polling. Youre on the far extreme along with open borders Marxists. Just too fucking dumb to understand that.
God damn you're retarded sarc.
JesseBot said himself yesterday that his principal political orientation is "fuck the Left". This of course means he must defend the Right on all things, because if he were to ever criticize the Right, it would mean that the Left's criticism of the Right was valid on some level, which gives ammunition to the Left, which can't be tolerated.
Poor jeffy.
Poor anyone caught in the same elevator with him.
Is there room?
His goal is to become so fat the listed weight only includes him and a 60 lb child.
When he's that big, can he even find it? Or will it be so long that he can declare his willy legally dead?
Was thinking that being stuck in such a small space with him would be subject to that obese person BO.
Especially little boys.
So Reason is saying no tax on tips is a failure because blue states are tyrannical shitholes. Never change you goddamn creeps.
Thanks for not reading - or trying to understand - anything. Why are you here again?
To make relevant comments, which he did. You’re here to inanely defend democrat narratives. Just like tReason.
And republicans hav to be creative about advancing any tax cuts, because of your kind.
Honestly, “portable benefits” is proposed as a better solution than lowering taxes on tipped employees, in a libertarian(ish) magazine?
In addition to playing policy defense to protect tipped wages, proactive policy ideas like a portable benefits model should also be explored in sectors that rely on tipped employees. One of the most frequent criticisms of restaurant and hospitality work is that workers in these industries often lack access to benefits.
You get waiter/bar tender jobs because you don’t give a shit about benefits: you want easy money with a 6 hour (sometimes 4) shift. If you want benefits you get a real job.
Or are we at the point now where everyone is supposed to have benefits?
We're at the point where everything is supposed to be free, with "billionaires" paying for it.
Ding ding ding! The word "free" should be outlawed in government. Like actually outlawed by an actual law. If there were a fiscally responsible party, this would have happened decades ago.
All government employees should be forced to refer to every program as "taxpayer funded," which is reality. It would be a good first step to educating half the country as to who is paying for their shit. (Hint: It's not Joe Biden or DJT)
But they're not paying for it. We're paying by increasing the debt.
Yes and. I don't care if it's current taxpayers or future taxpayers. The fact is the government doesn't give you jack shit. It only takes.
You are technically correct. Which is the best kind of correct.
Government free speech rights!!! - jeff and sqrsly
LOL @ higher minimum wages.
So a bum asks you for $6 and you hand him a fiver and he says "I'm gonna need more than that" what do you do?
Answer: Bum should say 'Thanks" and look for the $1
Remind sarckles that he has a pile of empties from the day before that can be redeemed for far more than that one additional dollar.
He traded the labels in for a double wide box.
He’s movin’ on up! To a de-luxe refrigerator box in the alley!
Answer: Shoot the bum in the head and take your fiver back.
This never happens to Sarc. Although I suspect his alcoholism has advanced to the point that handouts don’t get him money fast enough. So he pretty much supplements his liquor budget at his gloryhole in the transit authority men’s room.
A waitress that provides good service should always be given a big tip in her hand.
You just like to splurge for the hot ones.
Another story with a happy ending.
Trickle down economics.
Servers hate it when they get stiffed.
Some of them don’t mind getting the shaft though.
Had a friend who waitressed in the 80’s get fucking audited on her taxes. And this was when all waiters made minimum wage plus tips. The motherfucking IRS figured she made 15% on all her sales, which may be appropriate these days but sure wasn’t back then. Ruined her, ended being like $10k she owed.
At least now people can’t even buy Krispy Kreme’s without a credit card, so it’s all documented. Plus it seems like people tip like crazy know, from what I’ve seen. The restaurant business seems a lot more lucrative for waiters, and when I did it some places split the tips up with busboys, dishwashers too. This tax break rocks for these guys.
Winning!
I don’t often frequent purveyors of cafo pharmed meat fried in seed oil, but when I do I always pay with cash.
That's not an option everywhere now.
Only subversive kulaks use cash.
How is the government supposed to know if you're spending your money correctly if you use cash?
>The deduction is meant to apply to occupations that "customarily and regularly receive tips"—a list of which will be developed by the Treasury Department and the IRS.
>This promises to inevitably create certain winners and losers, depending on what industry someone works in.
1. Why does the playing field always need to be leveled to the most handicapped player?
2. If you're 'sporadically' getting tips, if tips do not represent a large percentage of your income, then . . . people like handymen are not going to be hurt, are they? Because not being included on such a list would have an insignificant effect on a miniscule portion of their income.
While I am all for getting rid of all income tax, I don't think one group getting a break is a bad thing in itself. Its certainly better than mandating these services be required to get minimum wage pay.
An for as often as it might happen, the mechanic pockets the tip and doesn't declare it anyway.
>s numerous tax attorneys have already pointed out, this will exclude situations like restaurants attaching mandatory gratuity to parties of a certain size,
1. Good.
2. This is easy to fix - instead of including it in the gratuity (which isn't a gratuity if you're obligated to pay for it) you change the name to a 'group service fee' and its separate from any tip.
Yup, too easy
My landlord offered a tip to the guy who remodeled the kitchen. He seemed baffled and had to be talked into taking it.
I don't see how that's a fix. If the fee is then given to the server then it's a tip, regardless of what you write on the receipt, so it's still taxable.
Of course if the restaurant owner just pockets the fee themselves, then it's not a tip, but it also doesn't end up going to the server.
And if they try to distribute it to the server as something other than a tip (like a bonus) then it's taxable income regardless.
>In addition to playing policy defense to protect tipped wages, proactive policy ideas like a portable benefits model should also be explored in sectors that rely on tipped employees. One of the most frequent criticisms of restaurant and hospitality work is that workers in these industries often lack access to benefits.
Why are hospitality staff more deserving of a benefits package than a car mechanic or handyman - who equally lack access to benefits.
But, but, but...if you assume that most people are idiots and unable to understand basic finance AND make their own financial decisions, then government HAS TO intervene, right? I mean, how many grownups can comprehend the idea that wages are only one form of compensation. Or that non-wage compensation is actually part of their "paycheck"? To be fair, given that many leftist economists can't seem to understand this, maybe we should give the average bartender a break.
Why are hospitality staff more deserving of a benefits package than a car mechanic or handyman
That is so weird. Just above you were arguing that it's okay to screw over the handyman on his tips because "it's not that much". I do wish you would get your class resentment talking points straight.
Everyone but you understood what he meant.
Jeff is by nature intentionally dishonest. And a Marxist.
Wow, that's lame. Have you gotten your JesseBot update patch for today?
Except that it's not inaccurate.
It’s totally accurate. You’re an obvious global Neo Marxist open borders Sorosite. You’re also pro groomer/pedophile.
But also genuinely stupid, so it's hard to tell when he's intentionally lying.
Always assume intentional. Also assume too stupid to believe his lies will work.
A true challenge for Hanlon's Razor.
He’s legitimately a psychopath.
True. Pedo Jeffy is one sick fuck. Probably suffers from some other personality disorders too.
The MAPedo part.
Pathological lying.
Food addiction.
The last one might be the safety valve for the first one. Recall Jared from Subway stopped being a fatty and redirected his pathology elsewhere.
Found one.
Retardfinder should consider Jeffy as a candidate for Retard of the Year.
If White Mike is still around, Jeff’s best possible finish would be second place.
Quicktown Brix, even if not Mike, is the exact same as Mike. So he is around.
That NotALawyer is rather tardish too. But White Mike was triple crown talent retarded.
>that tipped wage work comprises much of the lifeblood of the American middle class, it's understandable that politicians would want to help these workers. But there are better ways to do that than a temporary tax deduction on tips.
Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
And the idea given here was to raise wages, which will incur higher taxes.
"Libertarian" magazine Reason boldly comes out against tax cuts again.
A 'tip' was always a little gift of appreciation to someone who aided you. The fact that they were taxed in the first place is disgusting
Yes, we know how much you and your team celebrated the tax deduction for electric vehicles. Wouldn't want to be "against tax cuts", would you?
Even with subsidies they couldn’t sell that shit to people. But being a communist you can’t understand that.
Elon Musk might disagree with you.
Subsidizing a product that can't stand on it's own feet in the market is not a tax cut.
Careful. Jeff gets confused when you discuss subsidies vs tax breaks.
It's not a subsidy. It's a tax deduction.
OH BUT WAIT - you mean sometimes, a tax deduction can be viewed as a subsidy? And that it may be totally fine to object to subsidies that are masquerading as "tax cuts"? Right?
Explain to us all about how what you just wrote comports with libertarianism.
Fucking corporatist.
Why don't you tell us why every tax deduction shouldn't be embraced and celebrated, because "lower taxes".
A deduction isn't a cut…
"Yes, we know how much you and your team celebrated the tax deduction for electric vehicles."
See, this absolutely made-up horseshit right here is why everyone calls you, Lying Jeffy.
You don't even have to lie in articles like this, but you still do just for recreation. What a garbage human you are.
Sorry not sorry to point out both how much of a partisan hack you are, but also to clearly illustrate how not every type of tax reduction is created equal. The details matter, and just yelling "YOU'RE PRO-TAX" is horseshit.
Or we end all income taxes.
If we then still want to fund Uncle Sam at the same level, say $6 trillion, what do we do?
How about a head tax? Then every year we each owe around $18,000. If just working age people pay, then double that.
How about a national sales tax? Before starting with exclusions, add 30% federal to any existing state and local taxes to every purchase.
Or we could "Eat the Rich!", like Bernie and AOC demand. But taking ALL wealth from the existing 900 US billionaires would barely cover the federal budget for one year. Then what?
Wait, are you saying a billionaire with 500 billion dollars can't give every American, approximately 400 million people, 125K per year to make everyone equally wealthy?
Or, we can keep creating money out of thin air until hyperinflation, economic collapse, and Mad Max. Party till all the cards are maxed out!
I know which way I'm leaning: Two men enter, one man leaves! Spin the wheel, Raggedy Man.
Time to put some booby traps under my car.
Barely cover the budget for a year? lol 100% wealth tax on billionaires wouldn't even cover the DEFICIT for one year at this point.
I'm old enough to remember when Reason championed for every law to have an automatic sunset clause.
It's better late than never to get this in place.
The comments above why this "no tax on tips" idea is doomed to fail. Because it creates resentment among different professions. Along with a whole lot of perverse incentives.
First, why should people in professions that don't involve tipping be taxed more than those who are, all else equal?
Second, why should it be up to the government to decide which industries are subject to this tax deduction? I personally am not a huge fan of 'tipping culture', but if some business wants to start incorporating a tipping model into their business plan, why should the government tell them that they don't qualify because it's "not customary" according to them?
Third, the industries which do tend to have a heavy presence in 'tipping culture' are the ones which are lower-wage, close to the minimum wage (or below), and tend to be viewed as stepping-stone professions, like restaurant servers, not ones to be considered full-time careers. And the argument against raising the minimum wage to a "living wage" has always been that these types of professions *shouldn't* be ones that a person should expect to raise a family on because they are not designed to be full-time careers. But now, with this change, the government has created an additional INCENTIVE to stay in these low-wage, dead-end types of careers. Is this the incentive that you all really want?
"living wage" is a fallacy.
Are you saying that today there is no resentment among people in different professions but because the service industry workers will now be able to keep a hundredish bucks a month that there now will be?
Do you drink with sarc in the morning?
Living wage is literally meaningless. Because it means beyond just living. Ask jeff and he will include comforts and nice to haves.
But jeff loves leftist and Marxist phrasing.
Yeah, the "living wage" comrades seem to be channeling a retarded version of a theory of labor--at best. No matter how useless the time and effort (if any) of a "worker", they are entitled to at least a comfortable middle class life.
Of course to them, doing nothing of market value and getting nothing in return is because Evil Capitalists.
Are you saying that today there is no resentment among people in different professions
Nope, never said that. There of course is resentment now because the tax code currently picks winners and losers. Libertarians as a general rule are opposed to that sort of thing.
Except of course when it is promised by His Orange Holiness Pope Trump, in which case, we are supposed to bow down before His Grace and worship the ground he walks upon for finally delivering us to the Libertopia we are unworthy of.
Found one.
If you find him 10 times does ge get an award?
Is this like an Open Society mystery shopper thing? Verifying that far boy slim is shilling for the current narrative?
I mean, it wouldn’t be like Where’s Waldo since he was skinny and took some effort to locate. This is like finding Victoria Nuland standing next to gymnasts. Boo Radley could quickly figure that one out.
Would be good if he was given a punch his face card. 10th find gets a free punch.
Do you know what the minimum wage is in Denmark? (They don't even tip waiters there)
Didn’t think folks tipped in Muslim countries.
FFS I am not defending the minimum wage. But IF your argument against raising the minimum wage is "those types of jobs shouldn't be ones to support a family on anyway", then please explain why not taxing tips doesn't create the exact same incentive to stay in those jobs that shouldn't be long-term careers anyway.
Because this won't majorly increase their earnings. If you're bad at service, then this does nothing.
Oh, so because it's a SMALL incentive, it's okay?
So, when the next leftie suggests "let's raise the minimum wage by a SMALL amount", you'd be fine with that? Of course not.
I think you are straining to defend Trump's policy despite very valid criticism. It's okay to just admit he's trying to buy votes with this, and it's not principled at all.
So, when the next leftie suggests "let's raise the minimum wage by a SMALL amount", you'd be fine with that?
Tips weren't being reported. The workers weren't losing money unless they were honest. An increase to the minimum wage would be an increase.
If he were a waiter at Chuck E Cheese, he’d be satisfied receiving small tips.
"STAY OUT OF THE BALL PIT!"
"Allow me to clumsily set up this straw man to defeat", said the person with a terrible argument.
You may note that I didn't argue any of that at all. You have a lot of IF -> THEN going on, that never happened.
Also, you're not defending the minimum wage, BUT? Please.
'I'm not a RACIST, but . . .'
'I'm not saying all Jews are evil, BUT . . .'
'Listen, I'm not a fascist, BUT . . .'
'I'm not a communist, but . . .'
Yeah, you're defending that.
Wow, so dishonest.
You really think it is a strawman argument to claim that the minimum wage shouldn't be raised because the jobs that typically pay minimum wage shouldn't be ones to support a family anyway? This argument is made literally every time the minimum wage is discussed around here.
And, the "I'm not X, but..." construction only works if the phrase after the "but" indicates stealth support for X. My construction did not do that.
Well, bullshit. You said what you said.
Yes that's right. It's not an argument in favor of the minimum wage. It is a criticism of those who support the current tax policy on tips but who nonetheless opposed minimum wage increases on the grounds of "wrong incentives". I'm calling them out as a bunch of partisan hypocrites for supporting the no-tax-on-tips ONLY because Trump did it. If it was KamKam who did it, we would have the exact same people whining and bitching about "OMG WRONG INCENTIVES", the exact same way that they do whenever anyone support raising the minimum wage.
Glad I could clarify that for you.
“Second, why should it be up to the government to decide which industries are subject to this tax deduction?”
Out of curiosity, are strippers on the gubment approved list?
Exactly my point. Strippers - probably not. But "Massage Therapists" - probably, yeah.
Regarding strippers, it is a case of tit for tat.
Tax rates on a sliding scale.
Wait for an opening.
Just the tip.
Thought it was more of a nip.
I'm seriously contemplating printing up a bunch of little tickets that say "Government IOU," and leaving those behind instead of ANY tips at this point.
And if I'm really impressed with someone's service - whether it's for a dinner or a handyman or a haircut or whatever else - I'm going to hand them cash and say, "Stick it in your pocket and don't tell anyone about it."
"But is a working-class handyman any less deserving of a tax break than a waiter at a Michelin-starred restaurant?"
That's the problem with all attempts at social engineering through the tax code. But, since selling preferential treatment under the tax codes and regulations is the primary business of Congress, don't expect them to stop.
The new Reason Magazine, "Trump cutting taxes is BAD!"
Don't tell me Reason hasn't lost its way.
But it has to be equal! Except for rich people of course. They need to pay more.
But what about Uncle Charles?
" exclude situations like restaurants attaching mandatory gratuity to parties of a certain size, as many establishments do"
These aren't mandatory gratuitiess. That's not a thing. You can choose not to pay them (you're a dick if you do, but they're still not mandatory. You can't legally mandate a gratuity.)
Oh look, it's another person conflating legal and illegal immigration.
https://www.mediaite.com/media/tv/charlie-kirk-calls-mamdani-a-parasite-says-its-legal-immigration-that-is-also-the-problem/
Clearly, the angst over immigration is solely because those scofflaws broke the law. Yup yup yup. It's only about the crime of illegal entry. That's the only concern here. The only one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_and_soil
Don’t worry, he’s going to be mayor.
MAPedo types don’t want removal of illegal alien underage boys because it reduces their potential access to realizing the splurges of their MAPedo urges.
The cite is useful though showing that sarc isn’t the only one that conflated illegal aliens with legal immigrants.
Sorry they encroached on your realm, there.
Isn't that usually your modus operandi?
"HE'S STEALING MY TRICK!!!" - Lying Jeffy
Do you agree with Charlie Kirk here?
Here's an idea that will help waiters: Eliminate the income tax.
That would solve a lot of problems for the American workers.
OH, wait.
That makes sense, and would only starve The Beast in the District of Corruption.
What was I thining?
See my comment above.
Just remember: Diseases do not respect national borders.
https://apnews.com/article/hiv-programs-funding-aids-usaid-united-nations-e66658aa00bb5769f4ae260bcc22cbd4
Particularly when rapefugees carrying them don’t respect said borders.
Or even if, like, a citizen goes there and brings back the disease with him/her.
Was just on Booking dot com and missed where they had the tuberculosis tour packages of third world countries.
Jeffy should most definitely book one.
Jeff has to fly in the cargo hold of an An-225.
They’d have to strap him in the center or the plane would list.
Here's what your ICE heroes are up to.
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/70594806/87/pedro-vasquez-perdomo-v-kristi-noem/
They have a quota of arresting 3,000 people per day. So in order to meet such a quota, they engage in illegal conduct, such as roving gangs of agents sweeping people up without probable cause, without informing people of their rights, based on racial profiling.
What plaintiffs Pedro Perdomo, Carlos Orsoto, and Villegas Molina are doing is called lying. They don't care because the worst that can happen is they get sent home which was what was already in the cards.
Soros paid lawyers are bringing the case before an activist California judge, who also faces no repercussions, so they can issue yet another injunction to hamstring the administration until the Supremes toss it out.
We've seen this one thousand times before in the last year. Who do you think your kidding Lying Jeffy?
And we know they are lying because....?
“exclude situations like restaurants attaching mandatory gratuity to parties of a certain size, as many establishments do”
Have you never eaten out in a large group? Never known a waiter? The ignorance in this sentence is fucking atrocious.
I don't think anyone here is arguing against the idea that these wait staff generally merit some type of tip. The issue is whether these types of "mandatory tips" will be covered under the law. It looks like they won't be.
I’ll admit I posted in haste, so I myself may be guilty of ignorance, but I’ve never had a restaurant attach a mandatory gratuity to a bill. Sure I’ve had them say the minimum gratuity on a party of 8 is 18%, but that’s not the same as making me pay a gratuity in the first place. That’s the part I was commenting on.
Sounds like you're the one who's never eaten out in a large group. They add the 18% gratuity onto your bill before any additonal, optional, tip you might also leave. You don't have the option of not paying it, which is the very definition of mandatory.
Remember when Team Red claimed to be so interested in rooting out "corruption" that they went through Biden's financial records with a fine-toothed comb? Well, I wonder if they will take note of this:
https://gizmodo.com/mystery-man-shines-a-spotlight-on-the-shadiness-of-trumps-crypto-venture-2000628223
Also:
Yeah I'm sure it's just a coincidence.
Oh, look who else is conflating legal and illegal immigration.
https://singjupost.com/transcript-jd-vances-speech-at-the-claremont-institutes-statesmanship-award-event/
And:
So, America as a creedal nation is dead. America as a blood-and-soil empire is the new thing. We can't have people who want to come here EVEN IF they agree with the principles of the Declaration of Independence. We have to have people that look and act just like us. That is the real immigration agenda here. It's not about what they do, it is about who they are.
Have you ever seen a photo of JD Vance’s wife Usha?
MAPedo Jeff is wrong about JD Vance
Hey Chumby, why don't you tell us:
Would you rather live in Joe Biden's America, or Vladimir Putin's Russia?
I'd rather live in JD Vance's America.
The blood-and-soil version?
Answer his question, Lying Jeffy, you evasive shit. Have you ever seen a photo of JD Vance’s wife Usha? Do you know what his in-laws last names are?
Trump's wife and Vance's in-laws are all immigrants but look at you try to twist his words into some sort of xenophobic rant.
Everything you post is so astonishingly dishonest.
It is no surprise that a politician is a giant fucking hypocrite.
Do you agree with JD Vance in rejecting the idea of America as a purely creedal nation?
No twisting required. He said so himself. If the idea of America as a creedal nation meant that millions of foreigners got to immigrate here, he would reject it.
So, for the record, your deliberate 'ignorance' of any context, whatsoever, is due to political 'hypocrisy' by your ideological opponents?
What is the context that would matter here? I gave you the full transcript of the speech.
I didn’t think Russia is taking in immigrants.
Your paymasters are sensing this place complete garbage. You post this lengthy steaming pile of shit and it gets knocked down by a photo of Ursa Vance. Try mixing in some “bears in trunks” next time. Thnx.
Well OF COURSE he makes an exception for his wife. He's a hypocrite.
He says explicitly that he does not believe in America as a creedal nation, and your only comeback is WELL WHATABOUTUSHA? Really?
This is what he says:
Native-born citizens are more "meaningfully American". The people who embrace the collective are more "meaningfully American". It's not enough to simply be here as a respectful citizen. You have to LOVE your neighbor like an American should, and if you can't do that, then you don't belong here. That is JD Vance.
Nice mental gymnas…sumo.
Your post was garbage.
You should go back to sucking Putin's dick.
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I don't think so. Your comments on the Russia-Ukraine war went way beyond what most commonly said, criticism of the wisdom of the US getting involved. You went full-on pro-Russia, adopting every propaganda line that they uttered and believing every pro-Russian claim. That the Ukrainian government was full of Nazis, that they had a bioweapons lab, blah blah. You were a full-on Russian apologist in that war. Do you believe Ukraine started it?
You’re an irrelevant authority. If you are basing your opinion on what you are commonly seeing, you are moving in narrow circles.
The west started the conflict when it broke its promise not to expand NATO beyond East Germany. Shame on Russia for putting her nation so close to all those recently constructed NATO bases and shame on Putin for intervening after years of attacks by an autocratic dictator in Kiev against the eastern leaning people in Lugansk.
Graham and McCain going there and fanning flames during Maidan dovetails with the Zimmerman telegram, the casus belli the US had for declaring war on another nation.
The US should abstain from providing any money to any foreign nation ever. Non-intervention.
The west started the conflict when it broke its promise not to expand NATO beyond East Germany.
This itself is Russian propaganda. THERE NEVER WAS SUCH A PROMISE. At least not any promise that could ever be verified, let alone enforced. It was not in a treaty. It was an "oral agreement" that not even Gorbachev could keep straight.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversy_regarding_NATO%27s_eastward_expansion
Like I said, you uncritically accept the Russian propaganda line like the authoritarian fool that you are.
Furthermore:
Any "agreement" to not expand NATO beyond Germany was made with the Soviet Union. Which, in case you haven't noticed, doesn't exist anymore. Why should sovereign nations like Poland, Lithuania, etc., be bound by any such agreement to which they were not a party, with a state that no longer exists? It is insane.
Wikipedia co-founder Larry Sanger cautions people against the left bias of Wikipedia.
Just to confirm, you agree with the US financially and militarily supporting the autocratic Bandera apologizing election suspending dictator Zelenskyy?
Furthermore, why should the US be a party to an organization that was designed to counter the Soviet Union which no longer exists? Why should American taxpayers continue to fund the defense of people that live outside the United States? The nation is (officially) $37T in debt; from where is Karen the international hall monitor getting her funding?
Oppose MIC cronyism and support non-interventionism.
If you want to send a check to the autocratic election suspending dictator in Kiev, you should be free to do so. But the nation’s govt should not be sending a penny or a cartridge to any other nation.
Wikipedia co-founder Larry Sanger cautions people against the left bias of Wikipedia.
Lazy. Just lazy. That page is very well sourced. If you have an issue with it, make a factual claim.
And I see you are now shifting the goalposts. This isn't about what I believe, this is about what you believe. You believe whatever Russian propaganda tells you to believe. "Bandera apologist"? Really?
This is what Zelensky had to say about Bandera:
https://www.lecanardrépublicain.net/IMG/article_PDF/Volodymyr-Zelensky-on-Stepan-Bandera-He-was-one-of-those_a1006.pdf
So it sure seems like Bandera is a complicated hero for Ukraine. But it's hard to call Zelensky an "apologist" for him.
Furthermore, why should the US be a party to an organization that was designed to counter the Soviet Union which no longer exists?
This is a completely separate question. I happen to like global engagement. I do not think America can afford to "go it alone". I am fine with America forming alliances with friends and partners. America and Europe are, for the most part, most closely aligned politically and culturally and so it makes sense for this alliance to exist. And this is true regardless of the existence of the Soviet Union or not. It doesn't mean I support every single thing that NATO does, but it does mean that conceptually I think America should form partnerships and alliances with its friends wherever it can.
autocratic election suspending dictator in Kiev
And how exactly would you describe Putin?
Zely and his staff have posed in photos and videos with Bandera apologizing propaganda. FFS. These are posted in Ukrainian forums. Again, your circles are narrow. A few even post nazi garbage but I consider those more fringe (but they exist).
You cool with two US senators visiting another nation openly fanning a color revolution regime change? The US has declared war against another nation when that was done to her. The US almost went to war regarding a military base too close - you disagree with Kennedy and his naval blockade of Cuba?
And again, from where is the US funding coming?
What’s the plan regarding blowback? Ukrainians likely won’t support the outcome with some blame directed to the US (Blackrock recently suspended their land grab fund for Ukraine).
If you insist on traveling around the globe to provide materiel and money to fight an enemy, what’s the plan to address that enemy gaining technology advances in 5G warfare? Even more defense spending?
Putin is an elected official. Most recent election in 2024.
Just to be clear, you support sending US taxpayer funded weapons and US taxpayer taken money to an autocratic dictator in Kiev?
Here's what I think.
I support the free speech rights of anyone to say anything they wish, even if I disagree with the content of their speech. I support the free speech rights of US Senators supporting a free Ukraine. I support your free speech rights supporting Russian subjugation of Ukraine. I obviously wish for Ukraine to be free but I support your right to be wrong.
As I said, it looks like Bandera is a complicated Ukrainian hero. I am not Ukrainian so I cannot speak to the details. But I can certainly understand praise for someone who tried to stand against both Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia, even if imperfectly. This is not to say that he was a saint. He most certainly was not.
I do not support the invasion of one sovereign nation against another. That includes both the US invading Iraq, and it also includes Russia invading Ukraine. I do not believe Russia has Ukraine's best interests at heart. I think Putin is a murderous dictator who wants to relive the 'glory days' of the former Soviet Union.
Hope that is clear enough for you.
You didn’t answer several questions.
I’ll repeat - do you support two sitting US senators traveling to another country and openly supporting a color revolution? Zimmerman didn’t make a comment to Der Spiegel.
Do you support taking US taxpayer money and giving it to an autocratic dictator in Kiev who suspended elections?
I also support Ukraine removing the yoke of a western backed puppet dictator.
Iraq, Iran (Shah), Afghanistan (both times), Syria, Libya, Vietnam, to a lesser extent the Philippines post Spanish occupation - all examples of where US meddling has disastrous results. Many unnecessary lives lost and the debt kept growing. The victims of US activities also remember.
Also:
Where would you rather live, Joe Biden's America or Vladimir Putin's Russia?
I didn’t think Russia is taking in immigrants.
Illegally entering Russia gets you 2 years hard labor.
I have never lived in Russia. I imagine I wouldn’t have left there to live in a country with a govt headed by Biden.
Right. You would rather live in a right-wing authoritarian state instead of in a liberal democracy where the 'wrong guy' is in charge.
I don’t have the life experience to make a thoughtful comparison because I have not lived there. I made that clear in the previous post; how did you miss that?
The fact that Trump is creating illegals by revoking their legal status while increasing the cost and hassle of legal immigration indicates that he is against immigration in general. As his defenders used to say, look at what he does not what he says.
Is he now?
I mean, this has nothing to do with the previous puppet administration whatsoever.
Yes.
For starters, they are deporting people with pending asylum claims, before their claims have been adjudicated. You may argue "well, most of those claims are bogus anyway", but even still, that means a portion of the claims are NOT bogus, and they are being deported too.
They are deporting US citizen children with coercive tactics against the parents getting them to "agree" to take the children with them.
I don't know how much clearer that this has to be made for you. They want a conformist America where most people agree on most things. As the quote above illustrates, they want an America where the people in a neighborhood all go to the same churches and do the same things. Because the issue over immigration has never REALLY about illegal immigrants breaking the law. It has always been about the identity of the migrants themselves. They "just aren't fitting in" and that's why they have to go.
Were you aware that some on Team Red want to denaturalize and deport Mamdami, even though he came here completely legally?
"pending asylum claims"
Fuck off, lying about your refugee status to immigration officials was never legal.
How do you know it's a lie? Wait, I know! There's an entire asylum process established in order to figure out if it's a lie or not! Shouldn't that process play out so that we know who has a genuine asylum case or not?
This is from the Timcast podcast where Billy Binion appeared:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/0QFsjCbeaC4g40DRMjp0JF
They took a poll of the people there whether Mamdani should be denaturalized and deported. The chick, Mary, voted yes because: "I voted yes because he's not American and has no right to be here."
However, the rest say that yes, he is a naturalized citizen.
But Mary continues:
"Yeah I just don't believe he is meaningfully American more than someone who was [born here]."
THAT is the ethos being demonstrated by JD Vance above. To be a "meaningful American" means being born and raised in America. That is the blood-and-soil vision for America that these people have.
If you agree with this then just say so. But don't pretend that this is not where they are at.
So some chick on some podcast suggesting the removal of some asshole Marxist immigrant means that Trump or his administration is revoking legal status for otherwise legal immigrants?
That is your argument and proof?
Do you get tired of playing the fool?
I didn't say it was "proof". I said that where the movement is going, is redefining "American" in a blood-and-soil context. That a person like Mamdani is not "meaningfully American" in their minds.
If you want proof that they are deporting people with pending asylum claims, here you go:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/woman-sought-asylum-us-believed-deported-hours-judge/story?id=119037909
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/trump-deported-238-venezuelans-el-salvador-dozens-have-active-asylum-cases-2025-04-01/
and:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/immigrations-arrests-ice-deportations-courthouse-legal-process-ice-rcna209671
Do you need more?
I said that where the movement is going, ..
Stupid prediction.
If Pizza Hut opens a Hall of Fame, you think he’s a shoe-in for first ballot entry?
He is too fat to enter anywhere without double doors.
'People with pending asylum claims' =/= legal immigrants.
People with pending asylum claims have LEGAL STATUS to be here. Echavez, the guy in the middle article that I linked, even had a LEGAL WORK PERMIT.
They are LEGALLY entitled to be here but the government instead ignores that.
Well, you're as wrong as ever. Anyone can make an asylum claim. We do not have to board them while we sort it out.
Yeah we do. It's called "non-refoulement".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-refoulement
Trump is getting rid of the Biden appointed temporary garbage. There’s enough domestic garbage here already. Time for them to go home. Buh-bye. Like when your employer fired you or when your wife left you. No longer wanted.
Why do you think they are "garbage"?
You and Pluggo are domestic garbage because you are MAPedo types. Children should not be the object of any adult’s sexual interest. The pathological lying plays into the designation. As does Pluggo’s racism.
Sarc is domestic garbage because he’s a substance abuser that believes he is always the victim. He shit posts then later denies it despite full context quotes being provided to him.
Mostly peaceful violent rioters (a few days ago one domestic garbage member shot a pistol at ICE agents).
Act Blue. Open Society. There’s a lot of it here so importing more is insane.
I am not a pedophile, no matter how many times you repeat that offensive slur.
You, however, I believe to be a Putin apologist and an enemy of liberal democracy. I think you would rather live under an authoritarian dictatorship run by someone you like, instead of any type of democratic system run by someone you don't. And if that authoritarian dictator were to engage in some oppression against the people you don't like, I don't think you would give a shit.
Frankly, if ICE were to start murdering migrants, I think you would approve. It's just "taking out the garbage", right?
So why was it okay for Usha Vance to immigrate here, but not anyone else?
She did it correctly.
What about that 14-year old boy that passes your physical exam and ypur shared collective reasoning test, he now has agency so you could date him?
Part 2 is projection/strawman. You earn the monickers you are given.
Part 3 is more projection but not a strawman because sentence one ended in “I think” and sentence 2 with a question mark. You’re just wrong here.
Part 4 has some strawman and false alternatives elements.
No one deserves a false allegation of pedophilia. It is so wrong and disgusting, the only reason you all do it here, is because you're a bunch of anonymous cowards and bullies. YOU are garbage. I would rather have 10,000 penniless peaceful Guatemalans here doing honest work, than have you and your authoritarian crap voting for oppression.
You promoted some sort of adulthood for passing that physical exam and citizen test. The physical exam you likely could have never passed but many of us could have at age 14. And some would be able to pass that citizen test at age 14. So they are now adults.
You walking that back now? Denial those posts were ever made here? Intellectually arrived at children (including all under the agent of consent) don’t have agency to have those interactions with adults? Something else?
Oh wow. You really are stretching.
What I proposed, was an educational reform idea in which the knowledge required for adulthood would be demonstrated by an assessment. The idea is, students who graduate from their mandatory education should be required to know things about responsible citizenship, regardless of age, and shouldn't just be permitted to graduate because they reached some arbitrary age but yet know nothing.
You, because you are a demented troll, twisted that into some perverted defense of pedophilia. It was not and never was.
Intellectually arrived at children (including all under the agent of consent) don’t have agency to have those interactions with adults?
That has always been my position. Here you go:
I hereby declare, for God and the world to witness, that I believe it should be illegal for adults and children to have sex.
Are you satisfied?
What is the age when a child becomes an adult?
In most places, it's 18 years old.
Are you now going to hijack this conversation into some pedantic nonsense about "well what about the 18-year-old boyfriend and the 17-year-old girlfriend? Huh??????" You know what I clearly mean - no 40-year-olds having sex with 14-year-olds. Got it?
No, I’m not you.
Should it be legal for a 40-year old male dressed as a burlesque woman have a 14-year old sit in their lap?
Does the 14-year-old want to, and do the 14-year-old's parents consent?
The 14-year old doesn’t have agency.
Can the parents pimp out their 14-year old boy to NAMBLA members?
As far as I can recall, pimping is illegal, regardless of age. Are you trying to suggest that consenting to 'drag queen story hour' is the same as 'pimping'?
Yes the 14-year-old does have some limited agency. The 14-year-old shouldn't be unduly coerced to do things that he/she doesn't want to do that has no bearing on proper parenting. It would be wrong for parents to force a 14-year-old to, say, perform manual labor unrelated to ordinary chores if that is what the child didn't want to do.
Grooming is not pimping. You provided should the parents consent. I’m trying to see the limit of when parental consent is not considered.
If the parents consent and the child, whether or not under Transhausen syndrome, consents to cosplay sex reassignment surgery would that be ok?
I think the state should raise all the children because only good parental figures like Donald Trump know what's best for children.
Is that what you were looking for?
(obviously offered in sarcasm)
I am not a pedophile
The fact that you think it's okay for parents to show pornography to their prepubescent children says otherwise.
Also, Jeff on the gang rape of a 15 year old.
"What about the semen that is found on the woman's shirt? Is that the result of rape? Or is that the result of some guy jacking off while watching? That's gross and possibly illegal but not the same as rape. Should this guy be punished the same as a rapist?...
What about the semen from the guy who regretted it and showed remorse, and the semen from the guy who didn’t? Should they get the same punishment?"
https://reason.com/2024/06/24/byo-a-c/?comments=true#comment-10615352
You are such a mendacious cunt. I never said it was "okay" to show kids pornography. I dare you to prove otherwise.
Challenge: ACTUAL pornography, not "books in the library that say nice things about gay people that make me upset so I will redefine it to be 'pornography'."
Also, Jeff on the gang rape of a 15 year old.
Nowhere did I write that the gang rape was okay, or should be legal, or that the rapists should not be punished at all. What I argued in favor of, and still do, is FAIR STANDARDS OF JUSTICE for all parties involved. You all see migrants charged with a crime and you want to declare them all collectively guilty for the worst possible offense. That's not fair and that's not right. You don't want fair standards of justice. You want mob justice. Didn't you say that you think school principals who have transgender bathroom policies that you disagree with, should be beaten by a mob of angry parents?
I am not a pedophile
Lie.
lol
You for or against the rainbow cult, Jeff?
I'm not aware of the existence of a "rainbow cult". Is this the so-called "gay agenda"?
It's the one where you can't deface rainbow crosswalks, or complain about any other sort of enforced compliance. As in, the opposite of treating people equally under the law.
I'm not aware of the existence of a "rainbow cult".
Lie.
I think vandalism is illegal everywhere. Why is vandalism against "rainbow crosswalks" now okay?
No one is forcing you to accept gay people. You are completely free to be as big of a homophobe as you want to be.
What has changed, is everyone else around you. It used to be the case, that homophobia was totally cool. Now it is not. Gee, that sucks for the homophobes. But you should have no power to coerce everyone else to accept anyone's homophobia as normative anymore. Too bad so sad.
So you are aware of the rainbow cult.
Again I ask you: for or against?
There is no "rainbow cult".
There has been, instead, a change in public opinion on gays generally, which views them not as wicked evil monsters, but instead as just ordinary people like you and me.
What do you intend to do about it?
Fine. I propose a compromise. You, Sarc and J(ew)Free move to Venezuela, permanently, and I will host a TdA member in my house. He can sleep on the couch.
You missed the part where he’s revoking student visas, increasing restrictions on immigration in general, and raising associated fees. This is not about deporting criminals or even about asylum seekers. It’s an assault on immigration in general.
Ok .
He’s entered a hoarder’s house and the cleaning has commenced.
Oh No!
Anyway . . .
You missed the part where he’s revoking student visas, increasing restrictions on immigration in general, and raising associated fees.
The first part is targeting international "students" who aren't attending an educational institution, the fee raising matches inflation and the middle part is a lie.
Everything you just wrote is a lie.
The first part is targeting international "students" who aren't attending an educational institution,
Harvard, Columbia and Tufts are bona-fide educational institutions, no matter how much you hate them.
the fee raising matches inflation
https://natlawreview.com/article/july-8th-2025-one-big-beautiful-bill-closer-look-new-and-rising-immigration-fees
There's a whole bunch of fees that are completely brand new. It's not just raising some fees to match inflation.
and the middle part is a lie.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/realigning-the-united-states-refugee-admissions-program/
He suspended ALL asylum applications. That is a LEGAL way to come here, even though you don't like it.
Come tomorrow, he’ll have never said those things.
For violating the terms of their visa retard.
What happened to nobody is above the law dumdum?
Confused by the word temporary still?
Nicaragua hurricane was 25 fucking years ago dipshit.
Also Biden chose not to renew them in December. So a dem did ot first.
Maybe he is busy updating the list.
Zero corruption. None. None at all.
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/11/trons-justin-sun-100-million-trump-memecoin.html
Also:
So, Trump can get rich from people who have business before the government, and he can get rich by manipulating the volatility of his own cryptocurrency. Gee, like, maybe with his on-again, off-again tariff announcements.
But we can trust Trump. He really loves America. He would never engage in grifting!
Well well well. So the Kerr County, Texas authorities had the opportunity to spend $1 million on a flood warning system for the Guadalupe River. They turned it down. Why? Because Biden.
https://www.texastribune.org/2025/07/10/texas-kerr-county-commissioners-flooding-warning/
So they did end up spending some of that money, but obviously not on a flood warning system.
Oh this is too rich. If "birthright citizenship" is ever struck down, Ted Cruz might be de-naturalized.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/opinion-ted-cruz-birthright-citizenship-183000612.html
Good. He can head back to Cancun like he did when his constituents were experiencing a polar vortex.
We found the moron of the commentariat. Unfortunately, we found him over a decade ago.
The conditions at Alligator Alcatraz are as bad as you think.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/12/us/alligator-alcatraz-lawmaker-tour-conditions
Sure, they're all lying. All of them.