Quebec's Dairy Farmers Are Blocking Free Trade in Canada
An outdated supply management system—designed to protect Quebec’s small dairy farms—is undermining Canada's global trade ambitions and hurting its own consumers.

Canada's oft-derided supply management system—a persistent irritant in many of the country's trade relationships—is less focused on price stability, as Ottawa claims, but rather on protecting the dairy sector in one Canadian province. Canada's future trade negotiations with the United States—or any other country with which it wishes to maintain a free trade agreement, for that matter—will likely put a spotlight on this issue.
In Canada, small, inefficient Quebec-based dairy operations are the primary beneficiaries of the antiquated mid-20th-century supply management strategy that remains in force north of the border.
This system once served an economic purpose. In the 1960s and 1970s, agricultural supply chains differed greatly from today. A lack of international trade rules and frequent use of tariffs significantly and adversely impacted the agricultural industry. At this time, governments around the world legislated to control production, seeking to stabilize domestic prices and farm income for some agricultural sectors—specifically the production of dairy, egg, and poultry products.
Over the past 50 years, supply chains have become more efficient and resilient, enabling countries to scale back or even eliminate these practices. Canada, however, has consistently failed to remove these mechanisms. For political reasons, everyone else is paying the price—and it's costly.
When governments control production levels, they create incredible industry inefficiencies. Supply-managed sectors provide clear evidence of this. For example, an estimated $11 billion worth of raw milk was simply dumped onto the ground and wasted in Canada between 2012 and 2024 in order to avoid exceeding production quotas.
There are just over 4,200 dairy operations in Quebec out of 9,400 nationally. The objectives of supply management focus on protecting these 4,200 operations at the cost of the other 190,000 Canadian farmers, as well as Canada's 40 million citizens.
Although dairy operations in Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba are more than twice as large as those in Quebec, the government restricts milk production in the three western provinces to 16 percent of total domestic production, whereas Quebec accounts for 37 percent.
The American dairy sector shows there's a different path that Canada could follow. Dairy production efficiency in the United States has resulted in Idaho and Wisconsin being the second- and third-largest milk-producing states. Supply chain logistics allow for the transportation of dairy products to reach markets across the U.S. In Canada, market concentration would likely shift to more efficient producers in the western provinces if supply management were to end.
Not only would this contribute to lower dairy prices for all Canadian consumers, but it would also make a difference for Canada on the world stage by boosting the country's position in international trade negotiations. As long as the system remains in place, it will be an irritant.
In all of its trade negotiations over the past decade, Canada has been required to grant concessions and allow greater volumes of tariff-free imports. In 2015, when negotiating the Trans-Pacific Partnership, Canada was forced to make concessions on dairy products worth 3.25 percent. It made further concessions during the 2016 negotiating process of its free trade deal with Europe, and again in the negotiations leading to the 2020 Canada-United States-Mexico Agreement (CUSMA). As concessions were made, Ottawa provided billions to domestic dairy producers to compensate them for increased competition, further supporting the sector's inefficiencies.
Following the United Kingdom's departure from the European Union, it sought to quickly establish trade deals with other countries. Concluding a trade agreement between Canada and the U.K. should have been a quick and simple matter. However, Canada's refusal to make concessions on supply management has prevented an agreement from being reached.
This unwillingness to drop the outdated system leaves Canada at significant risk of never negotiating another international trade agreement due to its adherence to preserving supply management.
Yet, the domestic politics that preserve the system persist.
In 2022, as part of the political protection against market inefficiencies, the Bloc Québécois—a separatist party that sits in the Canadian Parliament, and only runs candidates in Quebec—introduced Bill C-282, which would prevent all future Canadian governments from negotiating concessions that would negatively affect the supply managed production of dairy, egg, and poultry products in Canada. This bill died when the 2025 federal election was called. However, one of the Bloc's first actions in the new Parliament was introducing another bill, now listed as C-202, with an identical objective: preventing any supply management concessions.
The bill's reintroduction, and the unanimous support it received in the House—including from the governing Liberals—followed by its swift passage through the Senate, indicates Canada is not serious about renegotiating the CUSMA. The Trump Administration has clearly indicated that greater access to Canada's supply-managed sectors will be a key objective for them in any negotiation.
Continued rigid adherence to obsolete, anti-competitive supply management policies will mean that Canada will never be able to negotiate or renegotiate any future trade agreement.
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Although dairy operations in Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba are more than twice as large as those in Quebec, the government restricts milk production in the three western provinces to 16 percent of total domestic production, whereas Quebec accounts for 37 percent.
Because Ottawa is focused, and has always been focused, on keeping Quebec within confederation to the detriment of any other province except Ontario. It is one of many long-standing issues that the Prairies ( and the West in general) have had with Ottawa. Ottawa will bend over backwards for Quebec, but screws Alberta constantly to do so. Let's discuss the transfer payments from the West to Quebec next, shall we?
It might have been better in 1995 if Quebec had gotten a clear majority voting "oui". Instead, there's this constant simping for Quebec that hurts not just Canada's relationship with the US, but internally as well. It needs to end.
I've often wondered if the Quebec separatists are like dogs chasing cars or bureaucrats solving problems -- the last thing they want is to actually catch the car or solve the problem. What would the separatists have to squabble over if they actually got their precious secession and independence?
Or what would the two halves of the remaining Canada have done, gone their separate ways, or bog down in years of negotiations with Quebec about how to handle cross traffic?
One of my Chartertopia features is that property owners control political district boundaries which cross their land, and it puzzled me what happens if a new district cuts an old district in two, like Quebec seceding from Canada. You can't cut a territory in two like that! Michigan has two parts, but they are only separated by water, just like Hawaii is nothing but islands. Then I realized that Alaska and the lower 48 states are separated, just as Canada would be, and before Maine was split off from Massachusetts in 1820, it was part of Massachusetts yet separated by New Hampshire at first, then Vermont too after it became a state. So why couldn't Canada be split in two? The Saint Lawrence Seaway is already an international body of water shared with the United States.
Your quite right. Quebec has used the threat of separation to wring concessions out of Ottawa for decades. The problem for Quebec now is that western Canada has become wealthy enough through the oil sands to tell them to pound sand and Alberta has become as important to Ottawa as Quebec.
I grew up less than 5 miles from the Quebec border and my family on my grandfathers side are from there. My high school hockey team played it's home games in Quebec and I also spent 4 days a week driving through it as a truck driver so I'm fairly informed on the subject but not an expert. Throwing Canadian wire wrapped 100lb haybales off a semi onto an elevator in February on a dairy farm I worked on also didn't hurt as I heard quite a bit about what the farmers north of the border were doing and going through.
Don’t have a cow, man.
Your comment is mooooooot
The moment Wolfe laid eyes on the banks of the St. Lawrence, he should have kept sailing. Quebec is not merely a problem within Confederation—it is the problem. Every major dysfunction in this country can be traced back to its outsized influence. No exceptions.
It is the fortress of the Laurentian elite—a cloistered, self-serving class that manipulates federal policy to serve its own interests while treating Western Canadians as little more than a resource colony.
It siphons off billions every year in so-called “equalization” payments—money forcibly extracted from the hardworking taxpayers of the West. This grotesque redistribution fuels resentment and alienation, while breeding entitlement and complacency among a population that increasingly resembles a trust-fund aristocracy.
Even worse, Quebec uses its clout to push federal environmental edicts tailor-made to cripple the West’s core industries—oil, gas, forestry, and agriculture. Whether it’s banning fertilizer use, imposing punishing carbon capture regulations, or micromanaging land use, the goal is always the same: kneecap the West’s productivity. And yet, in every case, Quebec conveniently negotiates a self-serving exemption.
While Quebec and the Maritimes burn filthy heating oil all winter, Western Canadians rely on clean-burning natural gas. So what does Ottawa do? Under pressure from Quebec, it slaps punitive carbon taxes on natural gas—but spares heating oil. It’s not about the environment; it’s about Quebec control, plain and simple.
So what does Ottawa do? Under pressure from Quebec, it slaps punitive carbon taxes on natural gas—but spares heating oil.
That’s the craziest thing I’ve seen all day. (Only because sarc is still passed out at this early hour)
It’s honestly insane. There’s nothing remotely like it in the United States.
Imagine a country split in two—connected only by a single highway and a single railway—where one half is expected to surrender its wealth to the other half, which despises it and actively works to undermine it.
There’s no rationale for the hostility. Eastern Canada doesn’t even bother to justify its contempt for the West. It’s not rooted in principle, policy, or history. It is malice for its own sake—a perverse delight in seeing Western Canada suffer.
And the irony? Their abuse is self-destructive. The East funds its bloated healthcare systems, cushy public sector jobs, and social programs through transfer payments that come directly from the West. In trying to harm the West, they are bleeding the very source that underwrites their prosperity.
This isn’t just about political elites. It’s not confined to Parliament Hill. It oozes from the national media, cultural institutions, and the smug disdain of ordinary Easterners who’ve convinced themselves that the West deserves their hate just because.
And it’s been this way for more than a century.
During the Great Depression, when Western Canada was brought to its knees, the East didn’t offer a hand—it brought the hammer. For example, railways operating out of Eastern Canada offered desperate Prairie farmers $5 per head to buy their livestock, telling them to bring their animals to the nearest railway station. But buried in the fine print was a trick: delivery had to be made to the Winnipeg stockyards. The shipping charges—set by the same companies—vastly exceeded the payout. Livestock was seized, and destitute farmers were slapped with crushing bills. That year, Toronto and Montreal gorged themselves on cheap beef, while Western families starved and lost their land.
Literally starved BTW. My grandmother who was a child hunted for food in garbage cans, she lost a little brother to malnutrition, and my grandfather hitched his horse to his car because nobody had gasoline. Everyone was doing it, and they called horse pulled cars "Bennett Buggies" after the then prime minister.
And through it all, the West kept hoping for recognition, for fairness—for something. Too often, Western Canadians act like a battered spouse, believing that if we just play nice, if we follow the rules, if we keep contributing, the federal government and Eastern elites will finally see our worth.
+1
It’s time the West stood up and told the East (and especially Quebec) to fuck off. In some ways, I really want Alberta’s independence referendum to be a resounding “yes” victory so that Ottawa has to finally face the truth and treat the West as equals in confederation instead of subservient.
Separation support in Alberta is somewhere between 35 and 40%, which may not sound like much, but it was probably only 5% a decade ago, so it's a pretty crazy jump.
"Imagine a country split in two—connected only by a single highway and a single railway—where one half is expected to surrender its wealth to the other half, which despises it and actively works to undermine it."
Don't you working men know how to blow up a couple of bridges?
BTW, which provinces dominate the Canadian army?
"Don't you working men know how to blow up a couple of bridges?"
That would be pointless. Even if the road and rail lines stayed intact, it would be virtually impossible for one side of Canada to invade the other. There’s nearly 400 miles of sparsely populated wilderness between Winnipeg, Manitoba, and Thunder Bay, Ontario. And beyond that, the major urban centres with populations over a million—Calgary and Edmonton—are still over 1,100 miles from Thunder Bay.
It would be like Missouri trying to invade Nevada.
"BTW, which provinces dominate the Canadian army?"
Probably Ontario, but mainly because it's the most populous province. The Canadian Army is only about 22,500 personnel in a country of 40 million. Successive Liberal governments have downsized and underfunded it since World War II. That said, there’s been a recent shift, and the military is now actively trying to recruit immigrants.
Not just 400 miles (600 km) for wilderness, but only one two-lane road (TCH/ON-17) in many areas connecting the country plus two railroads, one line for the CPR, and one line for the CN. And it's not like northern Ontario likes the rest of Ontario for that matter either. There's still another 500 miles (800 km) of mostly wilderness between Thunder Bay and Algonquin Provincial Park (about where you can divide Ontario between northern Ontario and southern Ontario). Northern Ontario is viewed by southern Ontario as a resource colony run out of Toronto. If ridings are to be condensed for some reason, it's Sudbury, North Bay, Thunder Bay, Sault Sainte Marie, Kenora that always lose while the GTA always wins.
I’ve said this to you before. Overthrow your government. Execute every last socialist. And for, a new government where Marxism is a crime, punishable by death in extreme situations.
New Canada will be an inspiration to the world!
Overthrow your government. Execute every last socialist.
It's not just the Liberal party, or even Eastern socialists. It's the rank and file as well. It's some sort of retarded hatred that's been nursed in Eastern Canadians since they crushed the Riel Rebellion at the beginning of Canada's inception.
Canada is stupid. Therefor, the USA must be forever even MORE stupid! Else we shall open up a "stupid gap", and NEVER reach Peak Stupid! Protective tariffs all around, to protect stupid producers, stupid corporations, stupid management, stupid workers, stupid unions, stupid politicians, stupid cummenters, stupid cuntsumers, and stupid voters!
Stupid. As-in charging domestic up-to 85% taxes while giving imports 0% and thinking a consumer-only favored market is sustainable?
He doesn't understand that his theory requires inflationary policy to survive. It is the same policy Peronistas used in Argentina. But the US is not hampered as much as they were since the US can export inflation through the dollar being the reserve currency.
Nobody is charged 85% taxes you dolt. And the people we import stuff from are already taxed by their own governments, before we pay those import taxes you like so much.
By the way, what is the purpose of an economy? Is it to produce stuff? May as well make stuff and then burn it if making stuff is the goal. Is it to create jobs? May as well dig holes and fill them back up if jobs are the goal. Is it consumption? If so then governments should step back and stop fucking with the economy, and let people buy and sell with whomever they want.
Do you think selling your BS Lies creates tradable value?
Of course you do ... that's why you're called a leftard.
I thought you'd already reached Peak Stupid, but you once again proved me wrong.
Nah, bud, you've been proving him wrong with every post you make.
Fuck off, retard. The peak stupid here came from your post.
Youre king of that mountain buddy.
Sarc, under your vision of free trade you ask others to be as ignorant as you. When comparing countries taxes, regulatory, and other givenrment influence you ignore the different baseline. This causes market imbalance. Then you have WTO and the US itself using taxpayer funds to subsidize China. Then you ignore the IP theft. Etc. Etc.
Youre such a simpleton. It is the only way your views of economics work, ignore reality, ignore data, assume a false simple economics model. One that data shows is broken every year.
Youre a fool.
Why do you need to have a societal justification to restrict/protect trade?
From the classical liberal perspective (mine) if I want to buy a product from another country it is none of the states business.
A libertarian would agree.
You don't.
He's an authoritarian, not a libertarian.
Lol. Now you two are just flailing.
You’re a central planning authoritarian.
Why do you need to have a societal justification to restrict/protect trade?
In which buttplug makes the case that democracy is total scam.
Who here is actually surprised by this?
It just shows a fucking lack of understanding of all trad theory, even the simplified ones he subscribes to.
Ironically shrike supports actial embargoes such as against Russia.
Democracy is indeed a scam. But it’s the best form of government we’ve figured out so far.
The US is not a 'democracy' it is a Constitutional Republic.
A Constitutional Republic that had no income taxes before 1913 when 'democracy' socialists started their [Na]tional So[zi]alist Empire with the Federal Reserve Act and have been Gov-Gun STEALING from 'the people' ever since.
I was paraphrasing Churchill. Add history to the subjects you are willfully ignorant of.
Income tax was enacted as a precursor to Prohibition, since alcohol taxes were the fed’s number two source of revenue.
I like how you think if you know basic facts 12 year old know, it means you're intelligent.
Gray box says what?
It’s funny to mute Sarc the same way he mutes the rest of us.
Did the gray box, formerly known as Sarc, say anything of importance?
/Read my handle
Your handle says you never mute people....
And if you do, you “unmute” them anyway, so what’s the point?
That’s the joke.
I know. Was clarifying for sarc.
I guess you said the same thing in 1938, buying shit from Nazi Germany, you asshole.
Nobody is charged 85% taxes you dolt.
I thought we all agreed that Tariffs were taxes, and if tariffs are taxes, then yes, people are in fact paying 85% taxes, and even higher.
FYI, the above quote is from an article that admitted that yes, Canada does charge 250-400% tariffs on American dairly products, but it's not as bad as you say because "it's complicated". And we all know what it means when Journolimists say "it's complicated".
That’s not what he is talking about. He is adding up income, sales, payroll and such, concluding that businesses pay 85% “domestic” taxes, and the saying we need tariffs to balance it out. He’s a moron.
He is also adding in regulatory costs which you deny as a cost....
I just proved 75% in just Federal Corporate and State manufacturing taxes a couple days ago. RU really so naive you don't think payroll taxes would add another 10%?
One thing is obvious; you don't run a domestic manufacturing company. You obviously know nothing about from what you speak.
85% might be low.
Let's say I make $100. 30% of that immediately goes to payroll and income tax, so I'm left with about $70. I go to the store and spend my entire remaining $70 on groceries and other consumer goods. There's a 10% sales tax, so the store gets $63. Of that, they use $30 to replenish their wares and $33 to pay their employees. But, the employees only see about $18 of that after taxes, including the employer-side contributions.
Now THEY go to the store . . .
Are you now telling me after months if screaming unilateral trade that tariffs on US goods is not actually a free market???
Wowsers, still an economic moron? I know you think you're clever for calling economics nonsense, but unilateral free trade does benefit the free trade country, no matter what other countries do. Read up on some history about it, I know the theory is beyond you and disgusts you, but if you simply sat down with a piece of paper and a pencil and scratched out some examples, you'd prove it to yourself.
But you won't. Trump's mind is made up, so your refuse to even consider anything contrary.
Long ago I came to the conclusion that Jesse is incapable of abstract thought. If he can't put his finger on something then it doesn't exist. That's why he can't understand economics. It's not just because he's a Trump disciple, it's also because his brain simply can't handle it.
Ideas™ !
Gray box say something?
Just more dehumanizing language .
Long ago I came to the conclusion that Jesse is incapable of abstract thought.
I tried to explain double-entry accounting to him once and he never got it. Not in detail. Just the concept.
Nope, Never happened. Stop lying. You’re just a dumb bitch that’s bitching.
Is abstract thought another term you dont know what it means? Or is it now the term you use yo defend your wrong and model for simpletons?
It is clear who understands economics and who doesn't. Every argument and prediction you make ends up wrong.
Let me be very clear to you and STG.
If your argument starts with "assume alla actors are rational or assume all variables are static except the one I want to talk about" your fucking retarded and know nothing about economics. You know narratives. Full stop. Children who think they understand. Fucking morons.
Here is an article that will explain it to you both, but I know you're both fuckijg helpless. You listened to a podcast, read one book, maybe soon a high school econ class and think you're experts because you understood the simple but wrong models. Dare you to read it.
https://commonplace.org/2025/06/19/gross-domestic-problems/
This article talks about the two different systems and the problems each have for China and the US. Mouth the words you need to.
Then begin to look at actual fucking data. Realize that it doesn't match your simple models. Ask yourself why. Then try to educate yourselves instead of doubling down on being fucking wrong and retarded.
Ive offered both of you books that explain why your models dont match data, why you're models fail prediction. Neither of you care. Youre too dumb to care. You treat economics like climate cultists.
And here's where the coward insults people without directly addressing them or their points, and then blames the people he insults for acting this way. So not only a coward, but a person without agency it appears.
The only economic ignorance around here resides in thinking the US can import/consume endlessly without generating anything of value in trade for those imports.
That is greedy, selfish leftarded economics. DEMAND side-only.
And leftards have been preaching that BS economics line for quite some time.
DEMANDED 'right' to............. etc, etc, etc.
It's too bad so many people refuse to abide by what they profess. Economics and common sense agree that the more inefficient a system, the higher its costs. Individualists profess to believe in leaving other people alone. Yet here both sides insist it is proper for them to raise taxes on their own citizens in an attempt to scare the other side into reforming their own system.
And here we get
No, they served a government purpose of micromanaging an economy. He even admits it in the same and following paragraphs.
There's also a bit of personal interest here, which is just nitpicking on my part, but authors are expected to disclose these conflicts of interest.
Then we get to the meat of the matter:
Yes, good old government micromanagement of economies and trade. Nothing says libertarian and individualism like tariffs and trade wars.
authors are expected to disclose these conflicts of interest.
1. That's not a conflict of interest.
2. In Canada the shit is only done to the West, and an Eastern Canadian professor would never point it out. There are no reverse examples.
Ironically; your whole comment get flushed down the toilet with....
"Nothing says libertarian and individualism like" ... complaining that Tax-Cuts and De-Regulation will increase the debt.
Elon Musk blasts his Grok chatbot for its response on right-wing violence
...
Robby Soave and Niall Stanage discuss Elon Musk lashing out at his own AI chatbot Grok after it stated that right-wing violence has become “more frequent and deadly” than left-wing attacks.
https://thehill.com/video/elon-musk-blasts-his-grok-chatbot-for-its-response-on-right-wing-violence-rising/10821031/
Elon wants his AI to spit out wingnut lies.
ChatGPT gets it.
https://i.imgur.com/bnLFNSM.png
Okay Buttplug.
You list all the conservative political violence in the last decade and I'll list all the progressive political violence over the same, and if my list isn't ten times bigger, then you win.
Deal?
Deal. But homicides only. Not just "political violence". That is too vague.
Here are 83 right-wing political/terrorist murders since 2015 (your date limit) beginning with Dylan Roof in 2015 up to j
Jacksonville Dollar General shooting in 2023.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_terrorism
Score 83-0
You didn't even read your fucking Wikipedia link. There were 19 listed, all of which were purported racial attacks, and none of which were political.
Right now you're sitting at zero you lazy fuck.
Post actual "conservative political violence" as agreed, you useless shit.
Oh, and you might want to explain from your perspective as an overt anti-black racist, why "white supremacist violence" is "right-wing". Especially when they all, like you, support the Democrats.
But before that, try to come up with some "conservative political violence" examples.
You’re such a liar.
Those 83 murders are labeled “right wing” because the perps opposed racial equality (Dylan Roof) or immigrants (El Paso) or women’s rights to choose.
These are your conservative brethren, pal.
Don’t lie to the Buttplug! It doesn’t work.
So, um, Pluggo, did you manage to get your SPB handle banned yet again?
Never been banned. I am updating my conservative credentials with a new right wing hero every month.
Bullshit. Don't lie to us, dipshit. You got banned again for something.
Those 83 murders are labeled “right wing” because the perps opposed racial equality (Dylan Roof) or immigrants (El Paso) or women’s rights to choose.
Hitchen's called abortion babykilling, and you're an enormous racist.
"Sarah Palin’s Buttplug 2 3 mins ago
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Uncle Clarence has had his hand out for over 20 years.
GIMME DAT WHITIE MONEY!
Taking on Katanji Brown Jackson for lowest IQ affirmative action hire. Uncle Clarence a candidate.
Sandy, I had a genuine fear that a Senator Walker would be shucking and jiving us good liberty-loving Georgians every day.
Do you remember Spermin’ Herman Cain? He sounded like a slave extra from Song of the South.
No, you’re a fucking snowflake who only gets offended when one of your Lawn Jockeys is criticized.
Groveling like a shoe-shine boy, Tim Scott humiliates himself for Fatass Donnie.
Tim Scott’s twerking and jiving is just him feeling that ole-timey religion.
Fact checking Tim Scott – Trump’s black friend/shine boy:
How many little lawn jockeys are in your yard? I bet it looks like a scene from a Tarzan movie out there."
So does this mean you and Christopher Hitchens are "riGhT wiNG"?
How fucking desperate.
And none of that is actual "conservative political violence" as agreed, you useless shit. Now stop dodging and post.
I see you finally decided to drop the worn out Sarah Palin schtick, eh shrike?
Got banned again.
That's been my best guess. I pestered him about last week and got nowhere.
That would be fucking funny.
Did he link kiddie porn again?
I wouldn’t doubt it.
Reason has aksed me to memorialize a new conservative each month.
July will be Denny Hastert's Shower Room Lazy-Boy.
So what did you post to get banned again, dipshit? More child porn links?
He didn't get banned. This account came to me pre-muted, so it's an old account with the name changed.
Wait, is this dude replacing Sara Palin with what I assume is supposed to be pre-diet Rush Limbaugh?
That's not quite as bad as Hank thinking Nixon is still relevant to.. well anything, but there's something I don't get about naming yourself after references to people who haven't been culturally relevant in decades.
Maybe I should change my name from stuck in to "Pete Wilson's Snack Tax" or something.
Canada does not have a commerce clause, so provinces are able to set up trade barriers between themselves. Imagine Vermont putting tariffs on California wine to protect a few crappy vineyards while California puts tariffs on Vermont maple syrup to protect a few crappy orchards. Sounds dumb, eh? That's because it is.
And the dumbness doesn't change when it's between countries instead of states or provinces.
What's wrong with tariffs and other trade barriers between states? If it's good enough for Trump, it's good enough for the 50 states and DC too.
Great point. I propose an amendment to the Constitution that nullifies the commerce clause. If tariffs are the path wealth as claimed by Trump and his defenders, 50 states levying import taxes on goods from each other and other countries will make us all incredibly rich! Imagine how great it would be if stuff made in state was cheap while stuff made anywhere else was expensive because of protective tariffs!
Maybe the reason free trade works inside the US is because there is an all powerful federal government that forces the states to do so (more or less, looking at you California)?
I bet Trump would abolish the commerce clause if he could.
This doesn’t make any sense. Why would he want to get rid of one of the greatest tools of authoritarianism (after the SC allowed it to be bastardized to all hell)? There’s almost nothing the Commerce Clause can’t do in 2025.
Why? Because you're a retarded maddow watcher?
What'd the gray box say?
He tried to make Canada's problems about Trump. For such a dedicated troll he isn't very good at it.
So... disparate tariffs dont work even inside a country. Now you and STG should take this realization and work it out instead of claiming it is a free market like ignorant morons. Realize other market effects that also affect trade such as disparate regulatory baseline.
I know both of you are helpless. You'd rather both be laughed at with your wrong predictions instead of admitting you don't know much and pursuing further education. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
*unmutes the bad faith lying sack of shit out of curiosity*
Wow. Way to entirely miss the point. I mean, wow. I don't even know how to respond. Just. Wow.
And I'm not sure what this prediction strawman is all about. Tariffs are bad economics. Practically every economist in the world will tell you that. Tariffs distort prices, reduce competition and innovation, negate comparative advantage, have concentrated monetary benefits with dispersed monetary costs, and create opportunity cost. All of that is beyond your comprehension, and none of it is good.
Are tariffs a good political tool? Maybe. But that doesn't negate any of their negative economic effects.
Anyway, I don't expect you to absorb any of that. I'm mainly replying for the benefit of people with functional brains. Back on mute you go.
*puts the bad faith lying sack of shit on mute*
You don't mute anyone dumbass lol.
You literally do in my argument what I accused you of above. Fucking amazing.
Try to isolate tariffs as the sole market effect. Failing to realize it is one of many market variables. Failing to realize that regulatory variables dwarf tariffs. That your own argument here undermin3s your belief in unilateral trade theory. Fucking hilarious.
Tariffs can be both a market tool and a political tool. In fact in the 50s there is even a published and widely accepted paper on optimal tariff theory. Do you know what the start of that train of economics began with? The realization that other countries push tariffs disrupting markets. Something your refuse to fucking realize.
Again. What you know about economics isn't much more than simple models taught in high school.
There is literally nothing in your post to even absorb lol. Youre just defending your own ignorance. Fucking child.
Gray box mutes no one.
Local story.
The American dairy sector shows there's a different path that Canada could follow.
Uh huh.
https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/dairy-farmers-resort-to-dumping-thousands-of-gallons-of-milk-with-processing-plants-unable-to-keep-up/
I'm not sure what your point is? The farmers in the midwest dumped their milk because of over production. In Quebec, the farmers are given a quota by the government and if they exceed the amount must dump their milk. 2 different things. I know several Quebec dairy farmers and buy maple syrup from one every year just across the border from VT. I'm fairly familiar with what is going on up there compared to an American dairy farm which I worked on when I was younger.
Who is Vance Boelter? Everything we know about Minnesota ‘assassin’
Anti-abortion Trump voter who gave sermons in Africa criticising homosexuality is accused of killing a Democratic politician and her husband, and wounding two others
https://www.thetimes.com/us/news-today/article/who-did-vance-boelter-kill-democrat-tb9h6k380
This guy hits every single item on the conservative checklist.
Aborto-Freak
Hates Gays
Evangelical Pastor (Born again nut)
Doomsday Prepper
Gun hoarder
Trump voter
Now do Audrey Hale.
Yes, we know you smiled when you heard a Democrat was assassinated. Only good Democrat is a dead Democrat, amirite?
Killed by a Democrat for not being Democrat enough.
You're not the victim here Sarc, you're the perp.
He also reverse officer Byrd and loves illegals who murder. What we see from sarc is projection. Using it to accuse his enemies of what he actually does.
It will be good when YOU are dead. That much is true, your pedo pal Shrike too. And does it bother you in the slightest that your only allies here are both pedophiles?
You’re such a faggot.
Did you say that while looking in the mirror, banned-boy?
Audrey Hale has zero conservative characteristics.
Vance Boelter is your typical deplorable Trump white trash.
That’s why 2 democrat governors gave him a job.
He told police Waltz ordered him to kill Klobuchar which makes him conservative.
Not that I don't trust you, but I immediately had to look that up. Because it's so fucking whackadoodle I wanted to read about it. It's like the dude just read Catcher in the Rye and had to lash out at all the phonies or something.
And yet, still, online trolls try to make it about conservative violence (judging by the responses, I didn't unmute.)
Didn't reason post some ragebait article about how conservatives shouldn't point out the political leanings of these violent crazies? Well, this is why it's done. Between the forum trolls and the more mainstream media (which are the same thing anymore) you get a little touchy, knowing someone's going to start in with the "conservatives = violence" trope.
Oh, wow, interesting.
So what were her credentials?
Yeah, the ultra conservative that murdered a Democrat for voting with Republicans.
God damn you’re dumb.
You’re really brainwashed even for a cultist.
This was a low effort response, even for you shrike. Sad.
Ron Paul: President Trump is unleashing a ‘Great Big Ugly Surveillance State’
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Those discouraged by the surveillance state’s continued expansion under President Trump should be encouraged that more Americans than ever, including many who voted for President Trump, are seeing through the lie that the only way we can be safe is to surrender our liberty to politicians, bureaucrats, and crony capitalism. This should inspire us to redouble our efforts to spread the message of liberty.
https://www.dailybreeze.com/2025/06/19/ron-paul-president-trump-is-unleashing-a-great-big-ugly-surveillance-state/
#Buttplug-approved
Quebec is always advantaged because the east outside of Quebec, Ontario mainly, will vote for a French Prime Minister. And that French Prime Minister functions to benefit Quebec before any others.
They were able to ink sweet deals where the income from Hydro Quebec for energy exports to the US do not have to be declared as Federal Income. This reduces the amount of Federal taxes paid by the province into the system making their income appear lower than it is and thus they receive higher amounts of transfer payments than they should. And also with regulations imposed as noted with the dairy industry there is a clear bias of support toward Quebec who is a have Province.
Many people do not understand what the transfer payments are. This is the term for how Federal tax dollars paid are distributed back to the provinces. The have provinces pay the most federal taxes and receive less back than the have not provinces that pay less.
Tariffs help support the little guy and reduce the chances of monopolies and keeps production more diverse. Yes it increases prices within Canada for goods. But it supports economies across Canada. Yet these are tilted heavily towards Quebec, favouring them over other provinces. The trade imbalance is the issue. The lack of reciprocity is the issue. Sound familiar?
I'm pretty sure that Canada's internal trade issues are Trump's fault and that JD Vance is wrong. If only they had a 10th amendment up there it would solve all of the nation's problems.
Sarcasmic is actually making that argument above.
US attacks Iran in bombing blitz. You Peanuts voted for WW3.
Bomb bomb bomb
Bomb bomb Iran
Hey Peanuts:
Your peace candidate just decided to bomb 3 nuclear plants inside a country that never threatened or attacked us. Let’s hope the Iranian government has a sleeper cell equipped with a small nuclear weapon somewhere near Mar A Lago. I have family members nearby but they’ve told me they are up for 50 rads or so if it serves a greater good. We all need to make sacrifices, you know.
Between sock puppeting (to the point of claiming that it's sanctioned by the site) and wishing nukes on your own citizens, you truly are pathetic.
Sick.
Got sick of using your new account, Pluggo, and switched socks?
So much for Trump being the anti-war prez.
It’s like it’s 2003 again and where are libertarians to be found? Writing articles about cows and dairy farms. You’re nothing if not the predictable feckless cunts you were back then. Pathetic.
Well this should be interesting to see how the MAGAbots will justify Trump starting a new war.
Or did he prevent one?
It's Iran.
Nobody cares.
They should just give the frog-eaters what they want and cut Quebec loose.
In typical fashion, Trump is both correct and incorrect, however the anti-trump ideologues are just simply wrong all of the time.
It's extremely frustrating to admit that Trump is correct, especially considering that he allowed himself to be persuaded by the neocon and neoliberal warmongers to attack Iran assisting Israel in their war of aggression.