Anti-Israel Violence Does Not Justify Censorship of Pro-Palestinian Speech
The fight against anti-Semitism is undermined when it is conflated with mere criticism of Israel's government.

American supporters of Israel, many of them affiliated with the political right, are using recent episodes of appalling violence against Jews as an excuse to push an agenda of censorship. In fact, they are deploying several familiar rhetorical arguments against pro-Palestinian speech, including that it is hateful, indistinguishable from violence, or constitutes misinformation.
These arguments ought to be especially familiar to conservatives since they were—and still are—routinely cited by the mainstream media, liberal advocacy groups, and Democratic politicians who want to quelch conservative speech. In the name of protecting Jewish people, Republicans are now endorsing arguments against free speech that have become the hallmark of the woke left.
Take, for instance, U.S. Ambassador to Israel Mike Huckabee, who wrote in a recent statement that "reckless and irresponsible reporting by major U.S. news outlets are contributing to the antisemitic climate." Huckabee was referring to media reports on the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) reportedly firing on Gazans and killing a large number of people; the IDF has admitted to shooting at the Gazans, but did not confirm whether there were any casualties, whereas the Hamas-run ministry of health reported 27 deaths. While the underlying facts might still be in dispute, this is irrelevant to the actual argument being made: Huckabee's contention is that the very act of reporting the story is an example of the media spreading anti-Semitism and inspiring violence against Jews abroad.
Of course, these arguments are indistinguishable from those made by campus progressives who want censorship of inflammatory speech because they think it will inspire violence against various identity groups: people of color, women, trans people, gays, and so on. The conflation of words and violence, a long-running practice of those who wanted safe spaces, trigger warnings, and microaggression policing, is on full display.
Violence against Jews is real, and ought to be prevented. Sadly, the U.S. witnessed two violent attacks on Jewish people in the past month. A horrific assault in Boulder, Colorado, this week involved a man chanting "Free Palestine" and using improvised incendiary devices to set fire to a dozen Jewish people. The alleged attacker, an Egyptian national, 45-year-old Mohamed Sabry Soliman, is being charged with a hate crime, and also attempted murder. His motivations are not a mystery; Soliman told police he wished to "kill all Zionist people," and targeted a group of Jewish demonstrators who advocate the release of Israeli hostages still held in Gaza.
No one was killed in the Boulder attack, though several people were injured. A separate attack in Washington, D.C., last month, however, resulted in the deaths of two Israeli embassy staffers—an engaged couple. They were shot dead by a man who had also shouted "Free Palestine." The suspect, Elias Rodriguez, appears to harbor anti-Israel views.
The perpetrators of these terrible crimes should be brought to justice, and anyone who defends their actions—or violence of any kind—should be harshly condemned. No one who opposes the Israeli government's war on Gaza should embrace retaliatory violence as a sound method of persuasion. Killing innocent people is always wrong. While most pro-Palestinian advocacy in America is peaceful, it is nevertheless true that some aspects of the anti-Israeli movement on college campuses have tacitly endorsed violence against Israel or made excuses for the atrocities committed by Hamas on October 6. National Students for Justice in Palestine, for instance, described that dark day as an "historic win for the Palestinian resistance." Such a statement was both morally abominable and profoundly misguided: What followed that "historic win" was a campaign of destruction in Gaza that has killed tens of thousands of people.
But with respect to the two attacks, the responsible parties are the perpetrators, not pro-Palestinian activism writ large, or skeptical coverage of the Israeli government.
Again, this is obvious to conservatives when the perpetrator of some violent episode is somehow tangentially associated with right wing media, conservative causes, or President Donald Trump. Conservatives were correct to protest mainstream media headlines that treated Cesar Sayoc—a deranged man who mailed bombs to Democrats, media figures, and other critics of Trump—as some inevitable outgrowth of Fox News, or explicitly blamed Tucker Carlson for the actions of the Buffalo shooter. Unfortunately, when the shoe is on the other foot, they just can't help themselves; Vice President J.D. Vance, for instance, directly linked the July 2024 assassination attempt on Trump to anti-Trump rhetoric coming from the left.
Ironically, one of the figures who was previously most inclined to call for the suppression of conservative speech was Jonathan Greenblatt, CEO of the Anti-Defamation League. He called on Fox News to fire Carlson, and helped to organize an advertiser boycott of X after Elon Musk acquired the social media site and ended its heavy-handed moderation policies regarding extreme and hateful content. Today, Greenblatt is seeking to deploy similar tactics against Israel critics on the left; he recently called on the Trump administration to action against social media influencers and speakers who spout anti-Jewish and anti-Israel talking points.
Social media sites, media organizations, and private universities are welcome, of course, to take aggressive action to combat anti-Semitism; they are even free, in their capacities as private organizations, to deter speech that is critical of Israel. The cause of fighting anti-Semitism is undermined, however, when it is conflated with mere criticism of Israel's government.
Non-liberals who remain hypervigilant about government-initiated censorship on social media, on college campuses, and elsewhere, must not succumb to the temptation to say that pro-Palestinian expression will inevitably cause real-world violence, and should be suppressed on this basis. The crackdown—not on violence, but on free speech—being perpetrated by the Trump administration, not merely with the permission but also the encouragement of much of the conservative movement, is an ill-advised betrayal of fundamental first principles.
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>>The fight against anti-Semitism is undermined when it is conflated with mere criticism of Israel’s government.
okay but what about the eleventy-five Roundups during Gazanukkah with the Hamas numbers straight from the CIA I mean NYT?
Word is those generators are going to run out of fuel any minute now.
Were the “More than 40,000 infants in Gaza will starve to death in the next two weeks” indicating a birth rate of “more than” double any known country on Earth CIA/NYT numbers? I figured there were impromptu “$1B in campaign spending means he could’ve given every American $1M dollars.” numbers.
The CIA has really let itself go.
The Americans I can’t stand are the Cubans. In a few weeks I’m going to celebrate Cuban Liberation Day by wearing a Fidel shirt and walking down Calle Ocho.
You only recently learned what a Cuban sandwich is.
Is that where Sam gets DAP’d by two well hung Cuban dudes?
“Say hello to my little friend.”
They already figured that out. Why does you think Harvard started offering remedial match classes?
It isn’t censorship to insist that corporate media stop blatant lying propaganda in their ‘news’ broadcasts.
Suggesting that news media outlets behave with restraint and professionalism instead of being credulous for a story that confirms their narratives is not a threat to press freedom.
It is amazing how much antisemitism and racism is not a problem when it comes from a group that is the Left’s darlings.
It is amazing how much antisemitism and racism is not a problem when it comes from a group that is the Left’s CORE VOTER.
I contribute to the opponents of leftist anti-Semites. We got rid of Bush and Bowman last cycle.
What are you doing to get rid of Taylor-Greene?
Republicans don’t attack Jews. Democrats attack Jews. Jew hating in America is your fault.
We’re the ones stopping it.
Anti-Israel Violence Does Not Justify Censorship of Pro-Palestinian Speech
Yes it friggin’ does.
If my refusal to use your pronouns is “literal violence,” if my refusal to capitalize the “b” in “black” or pretend our lives matter more than anyone else’s is “literal violence,” if my refusal to pretend your queer flag is more appropriate in a classroom than the 10 Commandments is “literal violence” – then screw you. Pro-Palestine advocacy – which is openly and unapologetically advocating for ACTUAL genocide – has no place.
There is no such thing as “Pro-Palestinian Speech.” That is a euphemism for “Advocating Terrorism and Genocide.”
In the name of protecting Jewish people, Republicans are now endorsing arguments against free speech that have become the hallmark of the woke left.
Because folks on the right aren’t out there ATTACKING AND KILLING gays and blacks and trans and illegals despite all the rhetoric (YET, heed my warning, you people are seriously asking for it). But the Jew-hating left goes from zero to homicidal any chance they get.
You pretend to decry it now, but we’ve all seen you support it more times than one can count. You may as well say “Our censorship is (D)ifferent.” Screw you, Robby.
This is yet another “jihadi behind the child” stance at Reason. Yet another attempt to weaponize virtue against the virtuous. And for what. To defend the advocacy of LITERAL ACTUAL TERRORISM.
The hell is wrong with you people.
Tell you what Robby. Write a thousand words in defense of the words and deeds of the Westboro Baptist Church. Defend what they say and what they do. Stand up for those pissant psychopaths, and become their champion of free speech. Then maybe I’ll take you a little more seriously when you defend an actual Terrorist State saying actual terrorist things in hopes of achieving an actual terrorist goal with them.
“carve it out of the French Riviera” is my quote of the week.
Gotta love Huckabee.
Yep, gotta love The Huck.
I don’t think that Robby has ever taken the “words are violence” stance.
That is a euphemism for “Advocating Terrorism and Genocide.”
Maybe so. But no matter how reprehensible the speech, the government cannot not sanction that speech. You or I can, but not the government. There is no “hate speech exception”.
To accept that mere words, short true threats or imminent action, means that you don’t believe in the 1A.
True so long as we’re talking about citizens (in which case – no fly list, added to terrorist watchlist, revoke and hold immediately due in full any student loans (and run hard juice on them), and permanent ineligibility for all social welfare for them and all their kin). Your free speech does not come with entitlements in order to facilitate your speaking.
If we’re talking about non-citizens – black bag, off to El Salvador before the pro-Palestine sentence even finishes leaving their mouths.
So, in your opinion, the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence are not founded on universal inalienable human rights but are in fact a list of privileges afforded US citizens only?
Show me someone who understands and appreciates universal inalienable human rights, and I’ll show you someone to whom this conversation does not apply.
But we both know you can’t do that. Not when it comes to the people we’re talking about in this conversation.
So what does the phrase “universal inalienable human rights” mean to you?
It means exactly what it says.
If you dispute its meaning, it means we can and should hold you to your own standard – not ours. We’ll give you the choice, 100% – but if you try to weaponize it against us, then don’t expect us to accommodate your hostile act.
For example:
“Illegal aliens should be deported immediately.”
If you agree with that, great – we’ll treat you with the respect you’ve earned as someone who agrees with that. If you disagree with that – one-way ticket to El Salvador.
If we’re talking about non-citizens – black bag, off to El Salvador before the pro-Palestine sentence even finishes leaving their mouths.
So half a sentence in support of Palestinians is a de facto rejection of the very concept of human rights that justifies throwing someone into a foreign gulag?
half a sentence in support of Palestinians is a de facto rejection of the very concept of human rights
Yep. You nailed it. Anyone who utters a half a sentence in support of Palestinians is de facto rejecting the very concept of human rights. Correct. 100%. Glad we’re finally on the same page.
that justifies throwing someone into a foreign gulag?
Mostly because we don’t want those psychopaths – literal psychopaths who do not understand human rights AT ALL, by your own admission! – in America. And there’s not really any better place to put them. They’re not citizens, we absolutely unequivocally indisputably do not want them here, they (falsely) claim they’ll be persecuted if we send them home – so, next best option.
Anyone who utters a half a sentence in support of Palestinians is de facto rejecting the very concept of human rights.
Are Palestinians not human?
I already answered that question.
It’s up to them. We’ll give them the opportunity to be held to our standards. When they fail, we hold them to theirs.
Weaponized virtue and weaponized empathy doesn’t work anymore, Square.
I already answered that question.
No, you didn’t. I’m asking you whether a half-expressed sentiment in favor of human rights is enough for you to regard someone as a sub-human who can be treated like an animal, imprisoned and tortured.
But despite your efforts to avoid answering that question, you have, in fact, answered that question.
No, you didn’t.
Yes, I did.
I’m not treating anyone as sub-human. I’m, in fact, giving them every opportunity to illustrate their humanity. If they refuse it and acknowledge the reality about themselves – then they don’t want our standard. They want theirs.
And they should get it.
It’s Old Yeller. Beloved family dog, reduced to something that was no longer they knew or recognized, and was unequivocally dangerous. So Travis put him down. Because it had to be done.
Palestine is Old Yeller. You said it yourself: support of Palestine is de facto rejecting the very concept of human rights. I’m not saying we should relish it. But they do have our analogy here for rabies, and they need to be put down. We shouldn’t like it, but we absolutely have to do it.
Is contracts a fundamental right? Because they agree to a set of conditions to enter into the country. Are citizens upheld to higher contracts standards?
Is contracts a fundamental right? Because they agree to a set of conditions to enter into the country.
What part of expressing support for the Palestinians violates that contract? Would expressing support for Israel be a same-level violation?
And what part of automatic shipment to a foreign gulag in a black bag is a reasonable response rather than a naked violation of basic human rights?
These are AT’s claims that you’re white-knighting. Are you sure you feel like he’s on solid ground here?
The part where they show support for a designated terrorist group. That is the reason their visas are revoked.
Even Americans can lose privileges due to support of foreign terrorist groups, such as losing security clearances.
You seem to be intentionally modifying the support of Palestine to the most mundane levels while ignoring support for Hamas.
And then the word choice of gulag. You are arguing from emotions rather than logic.
An illegal immigrant has no right to remain in the country. One of thr options is deporting them to a third country if their countries refuse repatriation. Deporting gang members means the receiving country will be held in their jail. The quick solution is the origination country allowing repatriation as Venezuela is now doing. For El salvadorian citizens, el salvador jails gang members.
I’m white knighting the actual facts while you’re appealing to emotion.
Both arguments use hyperbolic emotion instead of logical facts. Youre as guilty as he is.
The part where they show support for a designated terrorist group.
That’s not what AT is saying. He even clarified for us:
Anyone who utters a half a sentence in support of Palestinians is de facto rejecting the very concept of human rights.
Are Palestinians as a whole a designated terrorist group?
You seem to be intentionally modifying the support of Palestine to the most mundane levels while ignoring support for Hamas.
No. I’m saying that half a sentence in support of the concept that Palestinians also have rights is not the same thing as supporting Hamas. You are modifying any support of Palestinian rights whatsoever as being equivalent to supporting Hamas, which is dishonest.
And then the word choice of gulag.
Explain why that’s an unfair term for the Salvadoran supermax we’re paying them to detain people in, or why it’s an unfair description of the process AT describes of transporting anti-Zionists there in a black bag.
An illegal immigrant has no right to remain in the country.
Again, you’re changing the subject. I’m responding to AT’s assertions regarding “non-citizens.” No one mentioned illegal immigrants.
Deporting gang members means the receiving country will be held in their jail. The quick solution is the origination country allowing repatriation as Venezuela is now doing.
Why are we talking about Venezuelan gang members all of a sudden?
I’m white knighting the actual facts
No. You’re lighting straw men on fire left and right.
The core issues is the democrat party enabling all of this. The democrats are always at the center of every problem.
The democrats are always at the center of every problem.‘
Wow! So simple! So clean! So enlightening!
Why are you assuming my gender, Square? You disgusting bigot.
Does your mom know you’re posting here?
No, but yours does.
Seriously though, why are you assuming my gender? I thought that was a massive faux pas for you people. At the very least, I deserve an apology from you. A groveling one, right?
I thought that was a massive faux pas for you people.
lol.
EvErYoNe WhO dIsAgReEs WiTh Me On OnE IsSuE tHinKs ThE OpPosIte Of mE on EvRytHing!! aRRgh! SPrrrlgh!!One!
Look, just apologize for assuming my gender.
In the alternative, I’m open to your argument as to why doing so is nonsense and we should tell the LGBT Pedo to sit and spin.
I’ll let you decide.
We have no obligation to allow radical anti American pro terror activists to come to or remain in the US. Foreigners have no ‘right’ to come here.
radical anti American pro terror activists
Which isn’t what anyone’s talking about. See my response to Jesse.
Aren’t we? One of the Marxist democrat faithful traveled to DC recently and murdered two Jewish Israeli embassy staffers in the name of Hamas. Just this week another, an illegal who Biden’s people twice failed to deport, just firebombed a dozen elderly Jews. One of whom was an 88 year old Holocaust survivor.
The democrats are now constantly propagandizing in favor of Hamas. They are pro Iranian regime, and heel bent on letting Iran have nuclear weapons. So this goes far deeper than ‘pro Palestinian speech’. We have a Marxism problem with our democrats. And that includes life threatening Islamist sympathies. Even to the point of enabling Islamist violence.
So I will again say that the democrats, like always, are the core problem. And the entire party must go. The democrat elites must also be dealt with.
I am 100% right, and everyone here knows it. It’s just a question of how many still cling to their delusions to the contrary.
Aren’t we?
No. Again, we’re talking about whether “half a sentence in support of Palestinians is a de facto rejection of the very concept of human rights that justifies throwing someone into a foreign gulag.”
Please do try to keep up.
The democrats are now constantly propagandizing in favor of Hamas.
CoNsTAntLy!!i!!! SPlrrh! ArrGh!
We have a Marxism problem with our democrats. And that includes life threatening Islamist sympathies.
Yup. All those Islamist Marxists are running Globalist Corporate Capitalism.
Deep thoughts. I’ll have to spend the rest of my day in quiet reflection.
But no matter how reprehensible the speech, the government cannot not sanction that speech. You or I can, but not the government. There is no “hate speech exception”.
False, several times over in several different ways. Setting aside erosion of the 1A by S230 that explicitly grants Congress the power to sanction some speech and not other speech, as well as other ad hoc “Conduct lawfare and make up completely novel legal constructs after the fact.” Not all speech is explicitly protected from all government and never has been and there is no euphemism exception one way or the other.
If John Wilkes Booth declares “I’m going to kill Abe Lincoln.” shows up at Ford’s Theater, gets apprehended weapon in hand, if a judge and jury convict him, he’s guilty. If he says, “I’m going to put the kibosh on Abe Lincoln.” or “I’m going to take the last great full measure of devotion from him.” As long as it’s understood to be a specific and credible threat, it can be legally sanctioned. If a police officer or Secret Service Agent or even a civilian recognizes him as a credible threat to him or other and shoots him without trial, according to the supposed letter of the law, “case closed”.
Moreover, undergirding the entire concept is a good faith acceptance of all the underlying ideas. That is, if someone fundamentally rejects “Endowed by their creator… of, for, and by the people… etc., etc., etc.” then the idea that “Congress shall make no law” and “peaceable assembly” is something they understand and are owed by Americans, generously, isn’t delineated in the constitution and, conservatively and literally, renders them more to the categories foreign nationals, enemy combatants, and traitors or saboteurs.
That is, implicit in the 1A by your own statement is that you owe me my free speech (or RTKBA) in exchange for me owing you yours. We mutually agree to afford each other the liberty of free speech independent of a/the government. If someone doesn’t agree to that, the government can’t grant them something they don’t recognize.
I remember when sullum said go and march peacefully was incitement, or when he cheered Alex Jones being hit for 1.5B over an opinion, or how fox was guilty over a news opinion piece of a guest.
Funny how that works.
But… Robby Soave has repeatedly written in defense of all the people you’re talking about.
I’d agree with this, except it’s never just speech. It’s always violence and/or threats of violence. Restraining Jewish students on campuses is by definition kidnapping. Or financial support of Hamas.
Violence is speech for the left, while speech is violence for the right.
This. I’ll argue with speech. If your “speech” involves physical aggravation then my in kind speech would be called violence. Conflating the actions with the speech as an exercise in free expression is dishonest.
You can say you hate Jews and Israel all you want, but it is much more than speech going on
It’s always violence and/or threats of violence.
No one has ever criticized the Zionist project without resorting to violence?
Foreigners do not have the freedom to violate the conditions they agreed to in order to be allowed entry.
Support of a terrorist group is one of those conditions.
This isn’t about anti zionism which is just the new word for destroy Israel. This is about from the river to the sea, global infitadah, etc.
This isn’t about anti zionism which is just the new word for destroy Israel. This is about from the river to the sea, global infitadah, etc.
What isn’t about anti-Zionism? I’m saying not all criticism of Zionism is de facto anti-Semitism and not all acknowledgment that Palestinians also have rights is support for Hamas and its goals.
You don’t seem to be able to accept that for some reason, and want to keep changing the subject and pretend that I’m trying to rationalize violence.
C’mon, Robbie, this is silly.
Hamas lies. Repeating Hamas lies as if they were valid is deceitful. It is anti-Semitic. It doesn’t justify banning the speech, but it does justify calling it anti-Semitic.
Correct.
Repeating Hamas lies as if they were valid is deceitful.
^
At the very least, any data drawn from Hamas needs to be prefaced with “according to Hamas,” so that the reader can apply the appropriate skepticism.
I’m not sure I’d go so far as to say it’s always anti-Semitism as much as it is woke virtue signaling so as not to appear Islamophobic coupled with the polite globalist fiction that Gaza is a real country with a real government.
‘Anti-Israel Violence Does Not Justify Censorship of Pro-Palestinian Speech’
Um, OK. But these are the same people who have attacked others over mean words, and deserve to be fucked with their own dildo.
The only good Marxist resides in a landfill.
“The fight against anti-Semitism is undermined when it is conflated with mere criticism of Israel’s government.”
This has the same energy as “The south didn’t fight for slavery, they were merely fighting for state rights”. It’s a convenient rationalization that ignores the plain truth.
Robby’s attempt at equivalency is a total fail, because things like Sarah Palin using bullseye mark or Trump saying “Kung Flu” cannot be thought as approving actual violence, and they cannot LOGICALLY be held accountable if some lunatic felt inspired to violence. Whereas the Hamas youth openly calls for warfare and violence against Jews, and heap unmistakably deadly rhetoric on innocent people.
Yes, if the KKK came to town and one of its acolytes burned dozen elderly blacks, we can proudly blame them for such acts of violence. It’s retarded sophistry to say “Well technically they didn’t order him to do that and only he’s responsible”. If your position is that it’s ok to harm a certain group of people and one of your own follows up on it, you’re at least morally culpable.
The moral confusion at display here is the result of the (white) writers on Reason failing to recognize that Hamas is a HATE group. Let me say this as a POC – there is zero, I mean ZERO difference between Hamas and KKK, Neo Nazis, White supremacists, etc. If your actual intent is to harm another group, you own violence that results from that position.
Conservatives WERE victims of the ruling left defaming them with a bunch of dog whistles that exist in left’s feverish imagination. Jews are now victims of being burned alive somewhere. You cannot charge victims for duplicity over some pedantic inconsistency. It’s like accusing a Brit jailed over posting meme of hypocrisy for supporting Trump’s sanctions on Harvard.
Here’s an inverse position Reason could take – your fear of government possibly taking someone’s 1A rights away should not preclude you from denouncing open bigotry – even if it’s from immigrants. You should be able to acknowledge injustice done to someone without trying to turn tables to create some sense of balance.
KKK was Christian. Hamas is Islamic. Nazism was it’s own religion.
But other than that the differences are insignificant.
KKK was Democrat. Not Christian.
100% democrat. Just like the eugenics movement, Jim Crow, and nearly every other domestic terror movement.
Hate groups are different if one of them is islam or Christian. OK
In fact, they are deploying several familiar rhetorical arguments against pro-Palestinian speech, including that it is hateful, indistinguishable from violence, or constitutes misinformation.
Interesting. None of these are censorship and yet he proceeds to criticize them as if they were. Let’s look at the rest of the examples:
“reckless and irresponsible reporting by major U.S. news outlets are contributing to the antisemitic climate.”
Huckabee’s statement is true and also not censorship.
While the underlying facts might still be in dispute, this is irrelevant to the actual argument being made: Huckabee’s contention is that the very act of reporting the story is an example of the media spreading anti-Semitism and inspiring violence against Jews abroad.
This is bizarre. The criticism has everything to do with it being false which is has now been proven. So it’s not the act of reporting which is inherently anti-Semitic, it’s reporting lies specifically created by a terrorist group to generate hatred and violence.
Of course, these arguments are indistinguishable from those made by campus progressives who want censorship of inflammatory speech because they think it will inspire violence against various identity groups: people of color, women, trans people, gays, and so on.
This is even more bizarre. It’s not the basis of criticism that creates censorship but rather the mechanisms the left went through to prevent speech which are censorship. What are the analogous events in these cases? Soave is claiming mere criticism is censorship on par with strongarming tech companies to silence disfavored commentary and shutting down media accounts like the NY Post if they report unfavorable political activity.
Violence against Jews is real, and ought to be prevented.
It should be prevented, as long as we don’t criticize it?
Unfortunately, when the shoe is on the other foot, they just can’t help themselves; Vice President J.D. Vance, for instance, directly linked the July 2024 assassination attempt on Trump to anti-Trump rhetoric coming from the left.
It’s strange Robbi thinks whether these are actually motivated by political hatred is irrelevant. The problem with Dems blaming Reps for Loughner was that he wasn’t motivated by anything any Rep/con did or said. By contrast Luigi Mangione is explicitly motivated by Dems/Leftists and therefore they deserve blame for their hate campaign.
Worst Soave article ever.
BBC took 4 attempts to correct the original Gaza Health Ministry lie despite knowing it was a lie an hour after the initial report.
That is anti sometimes. A refusal to report truth over preferred narratives.
When you’re part of the propaganda machine you don’t check the stories your partners feed you. You play your part.
And don’t forget, the British government imprisons anyone who criticizes Islam at all.
Looks like the “Hurty words are violence” crowd has a different definition of free speech when it come to actual calls for violence.
Words are like bullets……
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91cXocgQEls&t=2s
In other news, it looks like a genius Biden judge just handed Trump all the ammunition he will ever need. It’s Christmas at the Whitehouse.
BREAKING: Colorado federal judge Gordon Gallagher, a Biden appointee, has issued an order blocking the Trump administration from deporting the wife and five children of Boulder terror suspect Mohamed Soliman.
If Trump ever had a judicial order he wanted to ignore and get away with it, this is it.
They’re here illegally and have close ties to terrorists, so naturally these are the very immigrants Dems / the left want.
Unbelievable.
Just yesterday they were being held as material witnesses. Deporting them could be considered grounds for a directed verdict of acquittal because of government misconduct.
Sounds rough.
This is also great for the mid terms. I would make a series of anti democrat ads based around that. Heavily targeting vulnerable democrats.
From a free speech absolutist perspective, I agree with the general principle stated in the article. When we frame complex issues as zero-sum games, everyone loses. There is room to be pro Palestinian and pro Israel!
That said, if every headline from trusted news sources repeatedly states that Jews or Israel are killing thousands of civilians, it naturally stirs outrage in decent people. It’s human to want to oppose what we perceive as evil. If I saw post after post describing a group committing mass violence, I would feel compelled to push back.
But what if those claims turn out to be false? By the time the truth comes out—if it ever does—the damage is already done. People have been exposed to a steady stream of emotionally charged headlines. And when corrections are issued, they’re usually buried or barely noticed.
I don’t believe in censoring people. But how do we responsibly deal with false or misleading information being echoed by major news outlets over and over again?
The victims of the attacks that are done due to the false reporting and narratives should be able to sue for much more than the families that sued Alex Jones. His words never ended in murder. These lies do.
Agreed. That needs to cut both ways. The network news, CNN and MSNBC should all be hit with eleventy kajillion dollar judgements. Which will eventually get chipped back to a mere $100 billion each.
Fair is fair.
The fight against anti-Semitism is undermined when it is conflated with mere criticism of Israel’s government.
How is lighting people on fire because they protest Hamas holding hostages “mere criticism of Israel’s government”?
This entire article is undermining anti-Semitism by pretending anti-Semitism is merely criticism of Israel’s government.
While I acknowledge that you can be critical of Israel, or even outright anti-Zionist, without being antisemitic, I suspect that any Venn Diagram of those positions would have a LOT of overlap, probably to the point of requiring a microscope to spot the area where anti-Zionist and antisemitic DON’T overlap.
Anti-Israel Violence Does Not Justify Censorship of Pro-Palestinian Speech
If that speech comes from our foreign guests, it does. Let them speak freely at home.
Foreign nationals have the same First and Fifth Amendment rights as US citizens.
They also have the same right to face consequences.
They make agreements to come here. They violate the terms. They get tossed.
Criminally, yes. But they can be removed from the US.
As a purely philosophical exercise I think Robby is mostly right. The problem for me is that he largely ignores the major cultural shift going on. For most of my lifetime the Greatest had pretty fresh memories of beating Hitler and ending the Holocaust. There was always a subculture of anti semitism labeled as right wing (for some reason) whose proponents spread their unique insights via mimeographs and on street corners. But no serious person thought it was a viable political moment. I’ve always thought that the state of Israel was a misbegotten idea and I’ve never been a fan of it’s outsized influence on federal government spending. But what we’re seeing lately goes way beyond criticism of Israel. This looks a lot like the anti semitism that was popular in Europe before the state of Israel existed. The violence that we’re seeing is obviously being instigated by rhetoric coming from hard core leftists, politicians and academics. The most disturbing part is that, with few exceptions, the Democratic party is apparently reluctant to condemn this violence and anti semitism is becoming mainstream amongst a majority of young party members. Anti semites are now a major Democrat constituency.
The left controlled human rights groups and universities attach “other” to right wing violence.
It is literally far left vs far right and other. So they can attach more violence to the left or lie about motivations to push all violence on the right.
Well said, but I disagree with the details of some of your points. Culturally ingrained antisemitism was a feature of thousands of years of European society, never in the United States. Antisemitism in the United States has always been an individual thing or, at most, a casual undercurrent narrative in rural subcultures. Most people in the last generation or so probably couldn’t name any Jewish acquaintances and would be surprised to find out that they were Jewish. When I was growing up on the farm I would hear occasional aspersions against the Jewish bankers who were secretly running the world while the Jews in the neighborhood never experienced any serious threat from anyone. Those same farmers would make casually racist comments about people of color, but were just fine with their colored neighbors who were reliable colleagues at the local Elevator Cooperative and honest hard workers as hired hands. The last time I was back there for a visit, that generation had mostly died off and there is even less casual bigotry now.
Nobody is taking down their posts or preventing people from making posts. No. So this isn’t censorship. Shut up you fucking liar. Grabbing people off the streets and kicking them out of the country over what they said is not censorship. So stop lying. Besides, you didn’t complain when Obama did it you hypocrite. Stop talking shit about Trump.
You stopped using the words disappear and torture prisons. Maddow will be angry at you.
And fuck you. You supported censorship for years. Defending government telling private business to censor conservatives and even moderate liberals. So fuck off dumbass.
It made his worthless drunk ass feel powerful by proxy.
Sarc has gone full nazi. Next he will be joining Misek in denying the Holocaust.
Israel is an ethno-religious-supremacist apartheid state.
Jews are an ethnic or ethno-religious group.
Holding all Jews collectively responsible for the actions of the “Jewish State” or the character and actions of individual Jews is antisemitism.
Believing Israel has too much influence over the US government or that Leo Frank was guilty as fuck and got what he deserved and that gentiles were holocaust victims too is not “antisemitism”.
Anyone who thinks Israel has an Apartheid system is either an ignoramus who doesn’t understand how different the two countries are, or a vile anti-Semite, or both. Probably both.
I am second to nobody in defending Israel against the Hamas terrorist Nazis.
But even Nazis have First and Fourth Amendment rights.
If a foreign national comes here and advocates for Nazism, they will also be tossed.
Soave swinging on Sullum nuts.
My Israeli friends criticize the Israeli government all the time. But none of them support Hamas, who are basically Nazis.
Not the same thing.
It still amazes me how old memes can persist for generations after they are no longer valid! Somehow the image of pacifist Jews waiting quietly in their European ghettos to be rounded up by the Nazis and carted off to the death camps still pervades the commentary. Even the violent resistance of the Warsaw ghetto to the Nazi occupation seems to have gotten lost along the way. Jews around the world have not been passive victims at any time since the Jewish state of Israel was declared in 1948. Jewish warriors have some of the most awesome reputations in human history, and repeated failures by hostile armed nations and terrorist organizations to wipe out Zionism is a testament to “Never Again!” Jews in America are no more vulnerable to violent attacks than any other Americans and elsewhere overall reductions in crime are being reported. Every American should be prepared to defend themselves and those around them at any moment, and this has never changed despite the narrative of the socialists to make us dependent upon government officials for everything. Recent incidents no matter how horrible underscore this principle. They do not change it.
” the IDF has admitted to shooting at the Gazans, but did not confirm whether there were any casualties, whereas the Hamas-run ministry of health reported 27 deaths.”
False. The IDF denies shooting at Gazans civilians seeking aid, and has provided video to substantiate its version of the events. Here’s a link.
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-856186
The pro Hamas side lies as much as Trump Cult members, just about different things.
We don’t lie. Democrats lie. And it’s democrats out there murdering Jews.
*While most pro-Palestinian advocacy in America is peaceful…*
But fires have been started, ey Robbie? Go take a job at CNN. You’ll fit right in.
“There are good people on the Pro-Palestinian side…” – Robbie S., presumably.
Okay, but that misses the point that in some venues no such inflammatory opinions , pro or con, should be given a forum
Schools are not the place for arguing about politics. In the same breath you blast the unfairness, you also admit the inflammatory nature. C’mon
“…Huckabee’s contention is that the very act of reporting the story is an example of the media spreading anti-Semitism and inspiring violence against Jews abroad.”
When WaPo immediately publishes claims from the “Hamas-run ministry of health” but notes it “did not immediately review” video provided by IDF, that sure does sound like WaPo choosing which sources to access before publishing. Even after interviews with IDF, reviewing video and even visiting Hamas sites in Gaza, they caveat that they cannot independently verify their observations. Like Hamas is going to say, yup – we had a military base under that hospital, or, yup – we started firing at IDF from among aid-seekers.
Journalism is dead. Real journalists would fact check lies from the Hamas Health Ministry or the Trump White House. But today Hamas and Trump have armies of internet trolls to defend the lies and to attack the fact checkers.
You’re disgusting. Democrats are Jew murderers. Full stop. You are on their side.
I’m on the side of the guys trying to stop it.
Uh huh. Now refill my drink, faggot, and get back to work.
Were you looking in a mirror when you said that, bitch?
Go get your fucking shine kit, Scott.
Now refill my drink, faggot, and get back to work.
lol – you think he has a job?
If Hitler were alive today, raising the JQ and arguing for the Final Solution, would he be protected by 1A?
If your answer is yes, then you don’t understand the point of free speech. It was never supposed to mean anything goes. Incitement has always been unprotected speech, as it should be.
Nobody is arguing the facts. we know who these people are. We know what they really mean with their coded language. We can get these people to admit how they really feel. The ridiculous part is how civil society still refuses to act when the targets are Jews. God Bless Trump for adding some teeth to the cause.
We’ve seen it here in the comments of late. Most of the democrat posters here have revealed their hatred of Jews in recent weeks, turns out our democrats aren’t a lot different than Misek.