Ukraine's Drones Just Took Down a Chunk of Russia's Bomber Fleet. What Does That Mean for America?
When anyone can have an air force, superpowers aren't as powerful as they used to be.

When a drone popped out of the back of a broken-down truck on the side of a Siberian highway on Sunday, bystanders didn't know what to make of it. "Holy smokes! Technology's come so far! Why are we even driving anymore? Better off piloting that drone," the narrator of a viral video said. "The cops are after it, would you look at that! Some idiot's spraying bullets everywhere!"
The Russian police, it turns out, were right to shoot at the drone. It was headed straight toward the airbase near Irkutsk. Across the country, swarms of small explosive drones descended onto military bases and destroyed a large part of Russia's nuclear bomber fleet. The flying bombs were smuggled into Russia by Ukrainian intelligence services in a plot known as Operation Spiderweb.
The Ukrainian drone attack was an audacious, desperate, and dangerous gamble on the eve of this week's peace talks between Russia and Ukraine. ("Trump said we don't have the cards—this shows we do have the cards, and we can play them," Oleg Ustenko, an adviser to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, told Politico.) It was also a demonstration of a trend unfolding worldwide: Drones now allow weaker forces to go toe-to-toe with even nuclear superpowers.
Fighters on both sides of the Russian-Ukrainian war and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict—and rebel movements around the world—are becoming skilled at using drones to replace conventional air power. The drone revolution was partially driven by militaries developing cheap explosive suicide drones, also known as "loitering munitions." Another major factor has been the rise of drones as a civilian hobby. Anyone with access to an electronics store can buy or build a one-man air force now.
Drones were not always "weapons of the weak." The first armed drone strikes were carried out by the U.S. military in Afghanistan and Pakistan, a symbol of Washington's ability to spy on and kill enemies from across the globe. Turkey developed a homegrown drone line, Bayraktar, during its war against Kurdish rebels. Israel began selling a line of loitering munitions known as the Harpy and Harop, which Azerbaijan used to crush the Armenian separatists of Karabakh in 2020.
But weaker states were also jealously eyeing the potential of unmanned aerial vehicles. Iran used captured Israeli and American surveillance drones to kick-start its own line of Shahed drones. The Shahed was revolutionary because it was so cheap to manufacture and operate; Iran could spread this technology to even nonstate allies, such as the Houthi rebels in Yemen and Iraqi militias.
The technology spread upward, too. Cheap loitering munitions were an attractive prospect to superpowers that could manufacture such weapons at scale.
"I asked one of the companies, I said I want a lot of drones, and you know, in the case of Iran, they make a good drone, and they make them for $35,000 to $40,000," U.S. President Donald Trump told an audience during a recent visit to Qatar. "So I said to this company, I want to see it. Two weeks later, they came to me with a drone that cost $41 million. I said, that's not what I was talking about, $41 million. I'm talking about something that costs $35,000 to $40,000, where you send thousands of them up."
In late 2022, Russia paid $2 billion to set up a Shahed mass production plant on its own territory. Rather than coming up with a Shahed copy, Ukraine imported the Bayraktar. Europeans crowdfunded for Ukraine to buy Bayraktar drones, some of which brought down the Russian flagship Moskva. Ukraine is now building a Bayraktar plant on Ukrainian soil.
The Middle East has been torn up by proxy wars fought with European weapons for decades. Now Europe is suffering from a proxy war fought with Middle Eastern weapons.
Meanwhile, drones were becoming a popular civilian hobby. The Chinese company DJI came out with the Phantom quadcopter, the first cheap and easy-to-use consumer drone, in 2013. While these first drones were designed for photography, another subculture popped up around first-person view (FPV) racing, in which drone pilots would use virtual reality headsets to pull off acrobatic maneuvers.
The Islamic State group quickly figured out how to use consumer drones to drop grenades on the Iraqi army. Russia and Ukraine adopted the same tactic during their war, using Chinese consumer drones (or domestic copies) to hunt down each other's troops. Because the drones carry a camera, there has been a proliferation of gruesome drone-eye-view propaganda videos of troops being killed from the air.
In October 2023, Hamas broke through Israel's "Iron Wall" fortifications around Gaza, leading to the worst outbreak of Israeli-Palestinian violence in history. One of the most effective tactics in that attack was the use of consumer drones to take down Israeli communications towers and machine gun turrets. On the other hand, American supporters have been crowdfunding to buy Israeli forces their own consumer drones, one of which filmed the final moments of Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar.
The latest innovation in air warfare has been the rise of fiber optic drones. By last year, Russian forces had developed an advantage in radio jamming, which allowed them to interfere with Ukrainian drones' remote control systems. Ukraine's answer was to simply run a fiber optic cable from the ground to the drone. As cartoonish as it sounds, it works. The Ukrainian military has launched drone attacks controlled by gigantic spools of cable, stretching tens of miles through the air. Images on social media show fields literally covered in webs of optical fiber.
Another potential solution to radio jamming is installing artificial intelligence on drones, allowing the drones themselves to make targeting decisions without orders from the ground. Last week, the Ukrainian military claimed to have deployed a new drone "mothership" that can launch AI-powered swarms of small explosive drones.
For better or for worse, drone warfare is here to stay. Even if governments around the world banned consumer drones—unlikely, given how much industry and first responders rely on these flying machines—the parts and know-how to build them would still be easy to obtain.
In 2002, the Swedish writer Sven Lindqvist wrote A History of Bombing, tracing the cultural effects of air warfare through the 20th century. At first, Europeans fantasized about using airpower to hold onto their colonial empires forever, wiping out the rebellious "savages" with no risk or cost. After witnessing the effects of World War II and the atomic bomb, however, the world's elites realized that they were also vulnerable to these new aerial weapons.
Just before his death in 2019, Lindqvist published a revised edition of A History of Bombing that addressed the growing drone threat.
"The drone war is the unmanned opposite of the mass armies of the Great War. Convenient—so long as the other side hasn't got one," he wrote. "What if the drone becomes every man's or at least every state's weapon? Will it not be too easy to wage war, if all you risk are machines, not soldiers?"
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How much longer are we going to drone on and on about Ukraine?
Why shouldn’t we? It looks like they’re having a blast.
>>What Does That Mean for America?
which America?
Skeet shooting ?
Can you take out a drone with bird shot or do you need heavier shot ?
Won't drone warfare completely bypass Trump's Iron Dome idea ?
Skeet shooting ?
Skeet surfing is now going to be part of the coastal patrols.
If everybody had a 12 gauge
With a sufboard too
You see em shootin and surfin'
From here to Malibu
Shhh, that’s Top Secret
Chocolate Mousse!
Better luck taking one out with a shotgun than with a pistol. I can't tell from the gunfire audio what was being used to try and take out the drones.
sure, if you are really close to it.
Saiga-12
Military drones like this aren’t anything like the ones you buy at a hobby shop. Many of them are the size of an SUV. So I doubt birdshot is going to do much.
Feel free to give it a shot though.
No. Golden Dome is designed to stop a strike from an ICBM or hypersonic missles.
re: "Can you take out a drone with bird shot or do you need heavier shot?"
Depends in part on the type of drone and depends much more on the range at which you want to be able to take it out.
What we call "birdshot" is actually a range of pellet sizes with the smallest pellets having an effective range of about half the range for the largest that are still called "birdshot". The median effective range for birdshot against birds (which are arguably slightly tougher targets than most drones) is about 35-50 meters.
But yeah, even the smallest shot size will take out all but the largest military drones if fired from close enough.
This is nothing new. It was shown in the early 90's that a light aircraft (Cessna 170-180, Piper PA-28...) with a GPS autopilot could be turned into a cruise missile by just adding explosives. Program the auto pilot with waypoints to the target, take off, start the autopilot and bail out.
Another thing to consider. I was on an aircraft carrier off Lebanon in the early 80's. Somebody asked what would happen if Achmed hopped into his Cessna and tried to crash it into the ship. After some studying, they realized that there was no way to stop him. None of the weapons systems on the ship or it's aircraft could track something that slow. So we were sent up in helicopters with an M-60 machine gun in the door to guard against it. This has since been changed. One benefit is that these changes will allow the defense systems to engage drones.
I was on an aircraft carrier off Lebanon in the early 80's. Somebody asked what would happen if Achmed hopped into his Cessna and tried to crash it into the ship.
This, several layers deep, sounds incredibly like anachronistic/apocryphal "shit that didn't happen".
Carrier groups operate specifically because swarms of Kamikaze aircraft had shown they could overwhelm defenses 40 yrs. before you were "off Lebanon". AEWC and command tower radar would pick up anything off the water miles away from the carrier and, even without supersonic aircraft or helicopters, mounted M2 and 20mm machine guns would reach "Achmed" well before his Cessna posed a threat to the ship and this was more than a decade before the time you indicated which, itself was a decade after CIWS became relatively standard around the world.
Helicopters and door gunners are absolutely part of the layered defense of a carrier or other ship, they may've made up a story about Achmed as part of an exercise, and there is always a human error component, but "None of the weapons systems on the ship or it's aircraft could track something that slow." is some obviously false, "Death Star exhaust port"/"We can't take out the target with F-35s because of GPS jamming." bullshit. CIWS and M2s capable of shredding a Cessna at the range of miles have been deterring far slower craft from approaching carriers for over 40 yrs.
Earlier, one of those light aircraft evaded Soviet air defenses and landed in Red Square.
This is really low tech. But low tech doesn't enrich the Military Industrial Complex, which wants to build ships and planes that are so expensive that they will never be able to be risked in combat.
Ukraine's Drones Just Took Down a Chunk of Russia's Bomber Fleet. What Does That Mean for America?
When anyone can have an air force, superpowers aren't as powerful as they used to be.
Absolutely nothing.
Even just strategically to the specific conflict. If it were 1960 and Ukraine were on the other side of the Atlantic, this might be of *some* significance.
As it is, *if Russia were hell bent on destroying Ukraine* they've *maybe* ensured that every last person in Ukraine can't be bombed into oblivion *after* all the cruise missiles have taken out the strategic targets.
To your comment on people playing different card games below, I saw this instantly as nothing more than a PR move. Ukraine hits a bunch of military equipment not in use in the Ukraine war, gains zero inches of territory back in Ukraine, and in fact has lost some since the drone attack, and everyone thinks this is meaningful in some way to the war Ukraine is actually fighting and dying over.
Putin is obviously too insane to change his plan, but this stalemate has cost Russia hundreds of billions of dollars, thousands of young men, at least one modern Navy ship, and many aircraft that it could not afford to lose. Although Putin may not be looking for a face-saving way to disengage, I have little doubt that those near the top of government and military at the Kremlin ARE looking for a way to stop the hemorrhaging and Putin may not survive what follows.
Biggest threat to America from drones would probably have to be the Mexican cartels. At least from sustained attacks, terrorist doing a one off attack being a large issue. Doubt any hostile or even friendly country has the Navy to operate off our coasts to launch attacks from - not mention any nation who might have the Navy to do so, also has nukes.
The real threat is going to be to navies. The seven largest navies are all Asian if you count Russia as Asian
What about the Royal Nay-Vee?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtbKSXoueks
It really is something other than else.
China thinks different. They are buying up huge swaths of "farm" land near key military and government installations. oh, never mind the hundreds of "agricultural" drones at each site and all the fertilizers and chemicals needed to make bombs. The Chinese are totes not going to use it all to attack.
Then the nukes fly. Mexican cartels would still be the largest threat of sustained drone attacks on America.
Why would the cartels do that? Don't they need a reasonably prosperous America to sell their drugs and stuff to? Seems like their interests are quite different from those of a hostile nation state.
Same reason that Escobar did with his bombing campaign in Columbia, to use force to get authorities to back off. Don't think they'd do it unless we went all out war against them.
Yes, once we start war against them, we need to keep it up until they are exterminated. Any survivors will counter-attack. Israel gets it.
Correct.
Trump, however, is stupid enough to start a war with Mexico using the cartels as an excuse. Mexico doesn't have much of a military, but within range of inexpensive drones are the huge US Naval base in San Diego, much of the US's oil and gas production in Texas, California, and New Mexico, and refinery capacity as well. Oh and Musk's space port in Texas is close enough to Mexico that ordinary artillery could take it out. The Wall could be breached at dozens of points and half of Tiujana and Juarez could be in San Diego and El Paso in minutes.
Also with 40 million Mexicans living in the US, mostly legally, the potential for sabotage all over the US is dire.
("Trump said we don't have the cards—this shows we do have the cards, and we can play them," Oleg Ustenko, an adviser to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, told Politico.)
Trump: You don't have the cards.
Ukraine: [Lays down cards and shouts "Gin!"]
Everybody else everywhere: The game is poker.
Combined with self driving truck fleets and it could get interesting. I predict lots of regulations slowing those initiatives down.
It's interesting that they launched just one drone at a time.
It was reported that each one had a real person flying it so possibly collision control.
I was under the understanding the drones were fiber optic, cut the line, lose the drone. Get tangled in another drone's line, lose that drone too. Yes, you gain the ability to operate over/around radio jamming, but you also lose much of the swarm ability/numeric superiority.
"Ukraine's Drones Just Took Down a Chunk of Russia's Bomber Fleet. What Does That Mean for America?"
It means the US shouldn't get involved in other nations' business or give them $125 billion of the taxpayers' money.
Until Ukraine is free of foreign invaders, we should absolutely sell to (and support) them.
Correct.
Ukraine is now building a Bayraktar plant on Ukrainian soil.
FYI, China has recently placed export restrictions on its MAVIC drones, possibly others as well. Funny how "import everything because cheaper" is all hip-swiveling fun... until it isn't.
Oh, and I assume that Ukraine is keeping the location of this Bayraktar plant very...very... VERY secret. I'm imagining some sort of Russian
drone500lb bomb attack dropped from a couple of SU-35's might put a dent in production.The Chair of the Turkish company that produces the Bayraktar drones is married to Erdogan's daughter. Not all Presidential sons in law are fools.
""What Does That Mean for America?""
Ghost of the Great Drone Scare of New Jersey?
You win today!
Communist China has let over three divisions of "military age" young men leave for America.
Communist China has builds lots and lots of cargo containers.
Communist China has many ships off the US coast.
Two thirds of the US population is within 100 miles of a border.
Communist China is buying up land adjacent to US military facilities.
Communist China hasn’t been Communist at any point this century. A one party dictatorship? Yes. A command economy? Less and less so each year.
We need to focus on the actual threats that China presents, not the ideological wars of the past.
At this point, pretty much every “Communist” country is communist in name only. It isn’t a sustainable or successful economic system.
No, sorry, you don't get to disown them just because things didn't work out like you hoped. They are what communism really looks like.
I’m an unabashed capitalist, as every comment I’ve ever made concerning economics indicates, so I’m not sure why you are trying to pretend I’m a communist.
Communism/Marxism basically doesn’t exist any more. The countries that still have Communist parties or labels, like China and Vietnam, are virtually indistinguishable from capitalist societies. Vietnam and China, in particular, have a myriad of vibrant and profit-driven companies that compete against one another for business. I know this first-hand, since I used to work with international supply chains. While the state has complete authoritarian control over whether or not those companies can exist, they are almost completely hands-off in their day-to-day operation.
I know you paleocons think that everyone who finds your worldview destructive for America and distressing in its opposition to the rule of law is a “leftist” or a “Marxist” or a “Communist” or a “terrorist”, but it just shows your complete lack of ability to argue on the merits of an issue. Name-calling, non-sequitors, and bad faith misrepresentation of the views of others isn’t the undefeatable tower of integrity that you seem to think.
"I know you paleocons think..."
"Name-calling, non-sequitors, and bad faith misrepresentation of the views of others isn’t the undefeatable tower of integrity that you seem to think."
Wow. In the same paragraph, no less.
Paleocon is a type of conservative. It isn’t a pejorative, it’s an ideology. I, personally, find it to be authoritarian in nature because it wants to preserve cultural ideals of the past that most of the country is moving on from, but that’s a personal opinion.
https://conservatism.net/paleo-conservatism/
Every "communist" country ever has always been communist in name only. According to Marx, in a true communist society both private property and the coercive state would be abolished. So "communist government" is an oxymoron.
That was my point.
Those young men (and women) are here in America because they don't like Xi or the Communists.
People kill other people ... It's not the machines.
As it has always been and always will be.
It's important to defend Individual Liberty and ensure Justice for all otherwise slavers, religious dictators and armed-theft criminals make life h*ll for everyone.
Wari! WAR! War! WAR!
What iiis it gooood for?
Absolutely somethin'!
Say it again.
There is this concept in weltpolitik about "destabilization." Until recently this was a vague notion usually used as an excuse to rein in adventurism, like mutually assured destruction versus antiballistic missile systems destabilizing an uncomfortable standoff. Now drone bombers have the very real possibility of destabilizing eastern Europe. This, in my opinion, is not good, although the David versus Goliath trope will probably prevail for a while.
this is going to end very badly
Yes, I've been saying that here for months. Sooner or later—and now, I think sooner—Russia is going to lose patience with the war and destroy Ukraine with strategic weapons. If Putin has to be taken out to accomplish that, he will be.
Interesting read about this technology. Seems the Russians had it first but were accused of perfidy and haven't deployed. That will obviously change.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2025-06-03/its-worse-you-think
There is an old quotation about remaining silent and being thought a fool versus opening your mouth and removing all doubt. Putin sure stepped in a big pile of doo-doo when he invaded Ukraine and revealed how incompetent his military was, how ineffective his aging weaponry was and just how incapable his vaunted military "might" had been all along. Of course, the US military-industrial complex needed a big bad scary Russia to justify their big fat budgets and endless brushfire wars around the globe, so perhaps they did not WANT to admit that Putin was in no position to threaten us. Also, maybe Putin will start to wonder about just how much of his nuclear arsenal would actually launch or detonate now, so we DO have some cause to worry about what he might do now that a chunk has been taken out of THAT piece of his deterrent as well. After pouring lives and money down a three-year stalemate in Ukraine and having lost billions of dollars in ships, tanks, munitions and aircraft he may not have the resources to put anything into a new weapons factory capable of manufacturing the thousands of drones he would need at this point.
Well ethical considerations are off the table now that Ukraine has used civilian shipping containers to attack Russia. And the containers Russia has don't need thousands of drones, they can launch cruise missiles. Meanwhile this drone attack did not move the front lines a single inch. Russia continues to advance.
It’s funny you think Russia considered ethical considerations … well, ever. They are bad people doing bad things for bad reasons and there isn’t a teaspoon’s-worth of decency in the entire Russian government.
I don't think any ruler of Russia has considered ethics in anything since Czar Alexander II.
He doesn't need thousands of drones. He has missiles and heavy bombers that can deliver WMDs.
(Russian) Gun bunnies advertising concealed cruise missiles is a head trip.
Isn't using AI drones to kill humans how the "Terminator" movie franchise got started ?
They weren't drones; they were fully autonomous robots.
Yeah, but...
It started with drones. Then AI. Then Skynet...
What does this mean for America? That this war will likely last a full decade and the worst is yet to come. Except unlike Afghanistan, the antagonist is a nuclear power.
Russian drones have blown up Ukraine weapons storage for a while now. They've taken tanks and missiles the west gave to Ukraine. They can bomb Ukraine energy infrastructure without opposition. But when Ukraine makes any kind of advance on Russia, the media gets all excited! They took over Kursk! They did the "pearl harbor" thing on Russia! You would they killed thousands of Russian soldiers and crippled their air force!
Ukraine has something in common with Yemen, Syria, and Sudan. No one cares if anyone there dies in an unending military conflict. Disease, famine, warfare, you name it. Only Gaza deserves immediate ceasefire. Only when Jews act in self defense does the world clutch their pearls on casualties.
Petti: "Across the country, swarms of small explosive drones descended onto military bases and destroyed a large part of Russia's nuclear bomber fleet."
The news: "Ukraine said over 40 bombers, or about a third of Russia's strategic bomber fleet, were damaged or destroyed Sunday, although Moscow said only several planes were struck. The conflicting claims couldn’t be independently verified and video of the assault posted on social media showed only a couple of bombers hit."
Petti fits Neo-Reason like a glove.
I will again say I am happy we are planning to spend billions on new generations fighter that will never be used in a world with drone technology.
The entire premise of this article, and many of the comments (including the one directly above) illustrate how completely ignorant its authors are about the reality of warfare. It's also indicative of how they'd be the very first ones to go crackers bananas if they ever lost wifi for more than an hour. They take it as a given.
And now they want to make the entire military - both offensive and defensive - 100% dependent on it. It's bad enough that we've wired everything into the GPS constellation. I doubt any of you have any idea just how crippled this nation would be, instantly, if that was significantly/catastrophically disrupted (if you did, you wouldn't constantly be calling to defend the DOD). It'd be like snapping the digital world's neck.
You know what the retaliation on Ukraine is going to be? Tactical strikes on their communication hubs, network centers, and power grids. It's the same strategy we'll want to use against China (assuming we don't go with my preferred strategy of carpet nuking all their major cities).
Reminds me of a funny story my friend told me about how he handles his kids sometimes. When they're engrossed in their screens, he goes out and starts flipping breakers. "Oh gosh, we lost power. What now guys?"
https://www.racket.news/p/ending-the-world-to-own-trump
"The Maddow segment was one of a pile of ebullient “Peace Averted!” responses to Ukraine’s “Operation Spiderweb,” which in any normal era would be covered first as an unprecedented escalation of nuclear tension. Officially now, politicians and media have gone mad, so focused on Trump that they no longer see or acknowledge danger to you, me, and the rest of the world beyond. The headlines alone are mind-boggling."
Hey, I have no problem at all with Ukraine defending itself. I just wish that was what this is REALLY about.
"Trump wants to lower my property taxes? WELL THEN I'LL JUST BURN MY HOUSE DOWN. That'll show him!"
That's the level of intelligence we're dealing with when it comes to the Left. I've always eschewed the term TDS, but it's really the only thing that's appropriate.
It is really about that. Poland would be next on Putin's list.