Researchers Accidentally Discovered an Ancient Megacity in a Mexican Jungle
Lidar technology is revealing that the Mayan civilization was more complex and interconnected than previously thought.

In 2024, a Mayan megacity was discovered in Campeche, Mexico. Swallowed by the rainforest, this lost urban center contained pyramids, plazas, amphitheaters, and highways. But this discovery wasn't made by a team of seasoned explorers hacking through the rainforest with machetes. It was made by a Ph.D. student. And he found it by accident.
"I was on something like page 16 of a Google search and found a laser survey done by a Mexican organization for environmental monitoring," Luke Auld-Thomas, who is pursuing his doctorate at Tulane University, explained to the BBC in October. That overlooked, decade-old survey contained groundbreaking information hidden in plain sight.
The survey used light detection and ranging (lidar) technology, a remote-sensing method that sends thousands of laser pulses from an aircraft to map objects buried beneath vegetation. The system measures how long it takes for the signals to bounce back, creating a detailed 3D image of the landscape.
Now named Valeriana, this lost metropolis is believed to be one of the densest Mayan cities ever discovered. At its peak (between 740 and 850 A.D.), it may have housed anywhere from 30,000 to 50,000 people—more than the region's population today. Over 6,000 buildings were identified, ranging from homes to towering pyramids. "The larger of Valeriana's two monumental precincts has all the hallmarks of a classic Mayan political capital: enclosed plazas connected by a broad causeway; temple pyramids; a ball court; a reservoir formed by damming an arroyo (a seasonal watercourse)," said Auld-Thomas in findings published in the journal Antiquity.
Lidar is revolutionizing archeology, allowing researchers to peer through thick rainforest canopies without setting foot in the jungle. The technology has helped identify hundreds of thousands of structures in Mayan cities across southern Mexico and northern Guatemala.
More than just revealing lost cities, these findings challenge a long-held belief that the Maya civilization was composed mainly of small, isolated villages. Lidar has instead uncovered a vast, interconnected network of cities, roads, and infrastructure, suggesting an advanced society with extensive trade routes and economic cooperation.
Lidar also revealed parts of an extensive network of elevated highways—massive causeways built centuries before modern roads. Some stretched up to 131 feet wide, connecting cities across vast distances. "They're the world's first superhighway system that we have," said Richard D. Hansen, an archeologist and now an adjunct professor of anthropology at the University of Utah.
These long-distance trade routes "can be traced by following the cities that were interacting and exchanging not only goods but also ideas," says Christa Schieber de Lavarreda, head of the Tak'alik Ab'aj National Archaeological Park in Guatemala.
One such route stretched from Tabasco in the Gulf of Mexico, winding through Tehuantepec and Chiapas, continuing along the Pacific Coast of Guatemala, and reaching as far as El Salvador. According to Schieber, "These routes, which operated for centuries, can be compared to the Silk Road during the time of the Roman Empire."
But trade wasn't just about moving goods from one city to another. "There are also 'invisible' traces of raw materials used in products that combine multiple components—some sourced from different locations than the place of production," Schieber explains. "These traces reveal an entire chaîne opératoire (production chain) involved in creating the final product."
One example comes from jade production in Guatemala. Archeological evidence from Cancuén suggests that raw jade was transported hundreds of kilometers to be processed into "pre-forms"—partially worked pieces that were then exported somewhere else for refinement. Cancuén wasn't just a city, but a hub in a broader regional trade network, where valuable materials were moved and transformed before reaching their final destinations.
The discoveries are reshaping our understanding of the Maya civilization. Settlements once thought to be regional capitals have been revealed as mere suburbs of even larger metropolises. What seemed like natural hills have turned out to be long-lost pyramids. Ravines have been identified as remnants of ancient human-made structures. And what was considered simple trade has emerged as a far-reaching import/export system.
Yet these findings only hint at the full scale. The vastness of Mayan cities, the sophistication of their infrastructure, and the complexity of their trade networks suggest that much of their world remains hidden beneath centuries of overgrowth. As researchers continue scanning unexplored regions, they expect to find even more lost cities, rewriting what we know about one of premodern history's most advanced civilizations.
This article originally appeared in print under the headline "Lost Cities in the Jungle."
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Quick question, how is using lidar to survey a specific area for recearch "accidental"?
The survey was done for other purposes, not for archeological research.
One researcher used it to study the environment, and another PhD student used the data to research something else. It's not "accidental" it happens all the time in the sciences.
Granted given the original researcher was in "environmental science" means he probably couldn't count to 20 with his shoes on
I don't know. If someone uses a RD8000 detector to find the electrical cables in my yard and I notice an anomalous signal that later turns out to be buried treasure, I'd say that's an accidental discovery.
It wasn't the archeologists who used the Lidar.
Correct the archeologist used data generated by another to find a tangential solution.
In other words--the archeological discovery was accidental.
He was specifically looking for survey data, he found it
Corning developed a hardened glass with capacitive properties. They had no use for it at the time, so they shelved it. Enter the smart phone era and now it's used all over. It wasn't an accident.
The transistor was an accident. Instead of making a pn junction they made an npn. And found they were getting more power
OK, Mr. Dumptey.
And Newton discovered gravity by accident when that apple accidentally fell out of that tree he had accidentally sat under when he accidentally decided to take a break from whatever he was supposed to be working on.
You know the apple story is fiction right?
I discovered that accidentally one day.
Oh, FFS, we’re splitting hairs. Who gives a shit?
Although not the same kind of accident Sarc has in his pants nightly while he’s blackout drunk.
The other researcher *found the data* by accident, looked at it, and found something interesting that no one had noticed.
You have to remember Bailey is their science guy.
And Bailey is accidentally right on the rare occasion. He's accidentally wrong far more often than not.
Not sure boss being wrong is accidental at this point. Aligns too often with narratives.
The article explains it clearly: The student happened across it accidentally while looking through a website and recognized a pattern that meant something to his research. The pattern had not previously been recognized for what it was by the people who made the survey map. It had been unrecognized for ten years between the survey date and the date the student happened across it.
The use of satellite and lidar imagery to hunt for Maya and othet PreColumbian sites on the ground goes back to Harvard's Peabody Museum gifting an archive of Landsat images to Guatemala's Museo Nacional in 1978, and progressed rapidly as optical recon improved. The problem was the lag in linear feature pattern recognition software
Progress slows way, way, down when you go in on the ground, because you still have to bushwhack your way through all the vegetation the lidar can see through.
It took the Peabody Mesoamerican Jade Project 23 years to move from orbital reconnaissance and Lidar surveys to ground truth.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/236680698_'Olmec_Blue'_and_Formative_jade_sources_New_discoveries_in_Guatemala
Virginia Giuffre didn't kill herself.
Did the Mayans get her?
It was mostly peaceful human sacrifice.
Human sacrifices were part of Mesoamerica for millenia. When the Spanish conquered them, they replaced tearing peoples' hearts with burnings at the stake, and replaced prisoners of war as sacrifice victims with Jews and Protestants. This continued right up to just before Mexico became an independent country. Mexico now has total religious freedom (and a large Jewish community in Mexico City).
Seth rich did though
The Mayan civilization collapsed because they had trade deficits caused by a lack of protective tariffs.
And immigrants. Too many immigrants.
But once they invented due process it was all over.
Domestic production was too expensive, they didn’t have comparative advantage.
Say Sarckles, what happened to Mayan and Aztec civilization after an influx of armed Spanish migrants?
I can't believe how stupid you are. You're so ignorant you can't even troll everyone without accidentally owning yourself.
Well, the Mayans, we think they died out a long time before the Spaniards even expelled their own migrants, in the Reconquista, even though they get blamed for that. It was probably a drought and lack of infrastructure that caused it.
Aztecs though - totally lack of immigration control on that one.
Conquistadors were armed invaders. Conquerors. That's what conquistador means. Though it makes sense that a dishonest Trump defenders would equate conquerors with immigrants and immigrant with conquerors. Must defend Trump's use of the word "invader" to activate emergency powers that allow his men to barge into homes without warrants, disappear people off the street, withhold due process, send people to foreign prisons "on accident", deprive children of vital medicine, and whatever else he does. Must. Defend. Trump.
The Mayan civilisation ended several hundred years before Columbus was born, you grade-A moron.
This is what I was responding to, dipshit.
Aztecs though - totally lack of immigration control on that one.
And what was your very first comment responding to? Not the article. Not another comment. Just pure TDS paranoia, the need to shit up any article just for the sake of shitting something up.
You're the illegal immigrant in this article's comments. Go deport yourself.
I figured you'd show up to defend Trump with attacks. Just like the guy who's ass you kiss every day. Unless the topic is tariffs, you always do. What else do you got? C'mon. More names. You haven't scored enough points today. Impress the trolls. You can do it. Maybe they'll get over your heretical knowledge of economics. Doubt it. But you can always try.
You are the only person in this entire comment thread talking about him. Do a Ctrl-F and see for yourself.
It's funny baiting you. I defend the article, you pivot (again) to Trump.
Go on, respond to this with more TDS. It's all you got.
Goddamn, the TDS is just dripping off Sarc's comment worse than Jeffy doing a 50 foot walk on a warm summer day.
Dudette, just step away from the computer sometime.
He’s the town drunk. Wrecking up the place. Sarc need to get smacked down by a nightstick.
Oh, Sarc's taken plenty of nightsticks already.
Not because he's into that, but he didn't have drug and booze money as a teen.
"Conquistadors were armed invaders. Conquerors. That's what conquistador means."
Mara Salvatrucha, commonly known as MS-13, is an international criminal gang. Criminals. That's what criminal gang means.
Fucking retard.
And what's MS13 and TdA, dipshit? Fucking hippies?
Well, the Mayans, we think they died out a long time before the Spaniards even expelled their own migrants
The Mayan as a ethnic group are still alive today in Guatemala and Chiapas, and millions of Mayan-language speakers still live in the area in which their ancestors developed their civilization.
The central Maya region suffered major political collapse in the 800s, marked by the abandonment of cities, the ending of dynasties, but it wasn't the end of the Mayans. They're empire just wasn't what it was. Think Byzantium after the fall of the Western Roman empire. The Postclassical Mayan period lasted until contact.
After the Aztec capital Tenochtitlan fell to the Spanish in 1521, Hernán Cortés despatched Pedro de Alvarado to Guatemala with 180 cavalry, 300 infantry, 4 cannons, and thousands of allied warriors from central Mexico;[82] they arrived in Soconusco in 1523.[83]
The Kʼicheʼ capital, Qʼumarkaj, fell to Alvarado in 1524.[84] Shortly afterwards, the Spanish were invited as allies into Iximche, the capital city of the Kaqchikel Maya.[85]
Good relations did not last, due to excessive Spanish demands for gold as tribute, and the city was abandoned a few months later.[86] This was followed by the fall of Zaculeu, the Mam Maya capital, in 1525.[87]
Francisco de Montejo and his son, Francisco de Montejo the Younger, launched a long series of campaigns against the polities of the Yucatán Peninsula in 1527, and finally completed the conquest of the northern portion of the peninsula in 1546.[88]
This left only the Maya kingdoms of the Petén Basin independent.[89] In 1697, Martín de Ursúa launched an assault on the Itza capital Nojpetén and the last independent Maya city fell to the Spanish.[90]
The Aztecs absolutely had tough immigration controls.
Huitzilopochtli ❤'s you.
They didn't die out, they just declined significantly. There were still urban Maya when the Spanish first showed up. And they were some of the last native cultures to be thoroughly conquered.
The current President of Mexico is the descendant of people deported from Spain because of the Reconquista.
You know there were only about 400 conquiestadors.
And they were totally the same as illegals looking for work. Invaders.
They wanted to steal gold.
Have plenty of illegals bragging about stealing from taxpayers.
Sarc gets called out for saying something stupid, responds by saying something stupid.
Hourly occurrence for the commentariat's village idiot.
They were literally doing their jobs.
Weird you hate the conquistadors for their violence but also scream in rage when ms13 get deported.
Do you have any intellectual consistency aside from repeating dem narratives?
He consistently hates Trump. That’s about it.
The Spanish were helped by almost all the non-Aztec peoples whom the Aztecs had been brutally persecuting. They thought that they might get a better deal from the Spanish. They were wrong.
Also ask how the indigenous people of the Americas and Australia and New Zealand faired under unrestricted immigration.
And immigrants. Too many immigrants
Immigrants were eating their chihuahuas.
lol
As usual, you two retards have it exactly backwards.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xoloitzcuintle#History
Aztec merchant feasts could have 80–100 turkeys and 20–40 dogs served as food.[7] When these two meats were served in the same dish, the dog meat was at the bottom of the dish
When i thought you couldn't be more fucking retarded.
Are you still cowering in fear over the next 4 years like Maddow?
One couldn't go broke while betting on how fucking retarded Sarc can be. When in doubt, bet that he'll be more fucking retarded.
Funny that. I kept expecting this article to have some TDS angle about trade. But Nope. None. Just a simple well-written summary of an interesting archaeological find with interesting historical insights. Good useful comments too, about the article and archaeology and history.
And then along came sarc. TDS on the brain, if he's got any brain left at this point.
Ooooh, let me edit this.
Must. Attack. Trump.
Jd Vance was wrong about the mayans
Well, that's a given.
How was that an attack on Trump? I was making fun of Trump’s Deranged Supporters, the TDS brigade. They are easy to identify. They get offended by such comments. Like you did.
Sad.
In the real world you were being the usual retard you always are.
Maybe that’s the source of his welfare money. His retardation.
Pour Strawcasmic.
If they had only engaged in ruthless protectionism instead - they'd be kings of the world right now!
Exactly.
Poor Sarc and his socks.
Stop samefagging your own posts, Sarcasmic. You're too stupid to successfully pull it off.
Poor stupid sarcbot.
And now he’s trotting out a sock and agreeing with himself.
Damn, you're deranged.
Did the Climate Change do them in?
The Mayans? Kinda. It wasn't human-caused so much, just a weird drought cycle. And it turns out jungles aren't great for farming.
But I hear the jungle has fun and games. It has every thing I want and it knows the names.
Please, it's "rain forest". "Jungle" is racist.
Sounds like a bungle. Which alright by me.
It was because they tried socialism. Probably?
You misspelled Gulf of America.
Right? Reason needs to be careful. This act of treason got the AP banned from the oval office after all.
I’ve been banned from the Oval Office myself and I didn’t misspell anything.
It's funny how dumb people have to constantly tell other people they are smart, like your handle. Sarc does the same thing. Both wrong.
Pretty sure that IS Sarc.
Could be.
Did they find the ancient prisons in El Salvador?
The ones the roads led to?
And the courthouses where they issued orders to bring the guilty back?
Or just more alters where the murders and rapists were sacrificed?
Mayans? You mean the religious fundamentalists who invaded and conquered surrounding people, taking slaves, and killing thousands by human sacrifice? But how could that happen in the idyllic Americas before Columbus arrived and infected everyone with greed and violence?
The conquistadors did infect the natives. With smallpox, measles, influenza, chickenpox, malaria, bubonic plague, typhus, scarlet fever, and pneumonia. The natives gave them syphilis.
Unfair trade with a flood of cheap imported diseases did them in.
Good thing that the Mayans had open borders, right Sarc?
Mayan civilisation ended several hundred years before the Spanish landed.
This is what I was responding to, dipshit.
But how could that happen in the idyllic Americas before Columbus arrived and infected everyone with greed and violence?
No you weren't.
He really wasn’t. I wonder if he’s hitting. The sauce early today? It is a Sunday after all.
Mayan civilisation ended several hundred years before the Spanish landed.
Only sort of. The people, culture and civilization were all still there. Just not as grand and powerful as they used to be. Like the Eastern Roman Empire after the fall of the Western Roman Empire.
There as in Mexico or there as in SoCal?
AI estimates there are 7 million Mayans.
Southern Mexico and Central America for the most part. They're still the biggest ethnic group in the area if I remember correctly.
That kind of happens when a population that has been around domestic animals for thousands of years makes contact with a population with few domestic animals (dogs, llamas). We pick up a lot of viruses by being in contact with them. I'm actually surprised it didn't happen when the Vikings made contact around AD 1000.
So there was a trade imbalance?
Of microbes?
These routes, which operated for centuries, can be compared to the Silk Road
But they closed down that website, and civilization collapsed.
Meanwhile, way more importantly than whatever is going on here: two nuclear armed countries are fighting, India and Pakistan. Given how long that's been going on, I half expect that MAD will suddenly be tested.
MAD theory is tested every damn day, and each day without a nuclear detonation is another day it's proven successful.
OK for amateurs, but what about the finds I've been seeing for some time that point to high civilizations in various places during the previous interglacial period?
Where are you seeing that? Coast to Coast AM?
This has nothing to do with that, but I do want to gush about the discoveries of late neolithic European cities like Cucuteni-Trypillian ones in Southeast Europe, the pre-pottery neolithic settlements like Çatalhöyük in Anatolia, and the Epipaleolithic Kebaran-Natufian settlements in the Levant.
But yeah, I've seen zero evidence for anything civilization-like in the Upper Paleolithic. There was trading networks across Europe during some of that period dispersing shell jewelry from the Mediterranean, amber from the Baltics and chert and flint from various places, but no evidence of organized societies on scales larger than villages.
There is evidence that the Magdalanian peoples had a specific art-style/tradition that lasted more than 10,000 years though.
I used to have a subscription to a magazine on historical sailing ships. One issue wasted a lot of space on some clown claiming to have a map of Antarctica drawn from when it was ice-free, 30,000 years ago.
Something utterly ridiculous like that. Completely out of character with the rest of the magazine, which was mostly stories of sailing around the Horn on wheat and coal windjammers around 1900, or ships from the 1500s uncovered by tides and hurricanes, or reproduction sailing ships used by tourists or high school kids for summer adventures as crew trainees.
I reckon Roberta's found another source for this shit.
You sucribed to a ship magazine? What are your thought on diversity?
Was it the April issue?
No idea now. This was 10 years ago or so. Sea History? Don't even remember the name. Every other month, I think.
Oh Good Grief. I just realized why you asked. D'oh!
No, I do remember it was not April. I remember checking that, and it was not.
Dang I is smart.
"clown claiming to have a map of Antarctica drawn from when it was ice-free, 30,000 years ago."
He needs to add 34 million years to that figure for completely ice-free, or 10 million at least for a few patches of tundra between the glaciers.
I've heard of that supposed map before. It was supposedly a map of the coastline of Antarctica without ice.
No, various archeology presentations via YouTube. Based on LIDAR studies like this one, but in some cases actual digs as well.
Most recently a friend has pointed to the channel of Michael Button.
Oh dear. This is from one of his videos, postulating that a previous warming period was caused by a mysterious "first" civilization.
Sorry. It's a fun theory and great for fiction, but the reality is that it would be hard to hide signs of such a civilization when we find fossils dating back millions of years. Or to put it another way, any such civilization which cold remain hidden so well for so long must have been such a tiny tiny civilization that it doesn't qualify as a civilization at all.
Anyone who takes that seriously, either to create an 8 minute video or to believe it, has lost touch with reality.
And to answer his question of "why not" since humans had been around for 175,000 years already, "civilization" began with gangs protecting their own agricultural output and stealing others', and those earlier farmers were not as healthy as hunting and foraging tribes. Farmers displaced hunter-gatherers for the same reason Europeans displaced American Indians: they made more efficient use of land and supported more people.
There weren't enough humans 175,000 years ago to create or support civilization. Almost by definition, civilization requires enough people to specialize in farming, tool making, pottery, weaving, irrigation, building, transport, all sorts of technology which was not necessary for hunting and gathering and the mobile life -- and finally, fighting to sustain those gangs which became government.
“Almost by definition, civilization requires enough people to specialize”
Exactly. Which is why global trade is so important. Now let’s see if you can convince your fellow Trump defenders.
Always Trump. Always TDS. You cannot resist the siren call of bringing up Trump.
Sarc should, be put down. Maybe we can get a two for one deal and euthanize SQRLSY too.
Your understanding of reality and economics is so fucking infantile.
I like how you think specialization can't occur in a country with 370M people. Or the fact that your democrats don't allow resource extraction and tax and regulate specialization here.
Your entire thesis is that low wage manual labor is specialized elsewhere while ignoring the government added costs to specialization here.
You're a fucking moron sarc.
Oh, for fucks sake, the discussion wasn't even about Trump, you fucking TDS-addled retard.
"Now trolly-troll-troll let’s troll see if trolly troll you can troll convince troll trolly troll your troll fellow troll troll Trump troll trolly troll defenders troll."
Post Ancient Aliens it seems there's money to be made in history by literally making shit up that can't possibly be proven or disproven no matter how obviously retarded it is. They might as well make the claim that little green men from Alpha Centauri aimed a warming ray at Earth. Go ahead, prove them wrong! At least Ancient Aliens pretended to have data and texts that could be looked at sideways just enough to pretend they had a point.
This is the predicable end result from the AGW crowd which basically postulates humanity is a significant driver of global climate, so any prehistoric data that proves that to be the bullshit it is must therefore show some ancient culture on par with our own pulled some shenanigans. It's literally unpossible that it's just natural variability of the sun or a combination of millions of chaotic systems interacting.
This is religious thinking or grifting, possibly both.
I was so pissed about that article, I wrote a letter to the editor about how idiotic it was and did not belong in a serious magazine about sailing ships. Actually got a groveling response which made me think she must have gotten a few other letters in the same vein.
Not hard at all for signs of civilization to disappear once you realize civilization is non-material. It's not about particular hard objects, it's about a confluence of people.
Civilizations generate wealth and when that happens people with power build things out of stone. Don’t know about where you live, but around here courts and police stations tend to be made of stone.
A confluence of people is just a mob.
Civilization requires those hard objects to support those people.
Civilization without tools, fire, shelter, irrigation, and other signs of permanence is impossible.
Nothing is permanent.
I'm not one to claim there is any solid evidence for any such thing, but I don't think you can rule it out. We've barely scratched the surface with archaeology. People keep on finding a lot of really old stuff that we had no idea existed. Add some glaciation and large sea level changes and there are a lot of places where something could have been. It's almost all speculation, but it's interesting to think about. A frustrating and fascinating thing about pre-history (and much of what we consider historic times) is that almost all of it is obscure and probably unknowable.
https://www.netflix.com/title/81211003
Lots of research behind it not explained by current archeological knowledge. This isn't ancient aliens by the way.
Footprints at white sands, ruins older than believed, alignment of ancient temples, etc.
Antarctica wasn't ice-free 30,000 years ago, nor were humans capable of drawing global maps accurately at the time, nor even sailing around Antarctica. Those White Sands footprints, temple alignments, etc are well-explained.
Although my brother once claimed some footprints in Texas, I think, showed dinosaurs and humans walking together, like a pet dog I suppose. I hope that's not what you're referring to.
Antarctica hasn't been ice-free for a good 20 million years, not long after the opening of the Drake Passage isolated it from the rest of the continents and the southern circumpolar current formed keeping any warmer ocean current from reaching the continent. That article in the magazine sounds absolutely batshit insane.
ive actually walked in that river. It’s fucking wild to stand in some of the bigger footprints, But I’ve not seen any human prints with them.
Although my brother once claimed some footprints in Texas, I think, showed dinosaurs and humans walking together, like a pet dog I suppose.
Paluxy river trackways. There's a series of genuine dinosaur trackways and footprints that were discovered in the riverbed in 1908 and excavated and scientifically described in the 30's.
There's also a series of what looks like could be a large shod human trudging through the muck. These aren't verified to be human, and some have been described as scour marks and others as faded therapod track. Later in the 30's the locals were also carving human tracks as forgeries and selling them.
Fun fact: there’s a creationist museum just down the road from the state park.
Don’t get me started on YECs. I spent enough time on talk.origins battling them in the late 90s.
The Olmecs?
Santos Got 7 Years. Will He Get a Trump Pardon?
Outlets assess the possibilities for the disgraced congressman
https://reason.com/2025/04/27/lost-cities-in-the-jungle/?comments=true#comment-11021989
Donnie has pardoned far worse - the Jan 6 rioters.
Are you sorry he'd never pardon you for your crimes against children?
Donnie has pardoned far worse - the Jan 6 rioters.
Oh?
What'd they do?... aside from get shot and smeared by your Gestapo's false flagging.
I love that you deceitful fucks have turned to just lumping all the protesters together as rioters, after spending a year bitching about people doing the same thing to BLM protestors.
Eighty years after Mussolini's execution, nostalgia for fascism persists
......
On April 28, 1945, the dictator Benito Mussolini was executed by members of the Italian resistance, along with his mistress Clara Petacci. The next day, their bodies were dumped in a Milan square and subjected to mockery and abuse by the mob. Yet eighty years after the fall of the "Duce", the legacy of fascism is no longer deplored in Italy, and even gives rise to nostalgia.
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Eight decades after the fall of the dictator, this anniversary has taken a new turn. The far-right Fratelli d'Italia (Brothers of Italy) became the largest party in parliament after the 2022 legislative elections, propelling its leader Giorgia Meloni to the post of prime minister and making nostalgia for fascism acceptable. “Things risk being watered down,” says De Luna. He notes that the president of the Senate, Ignazio La Russa, who holds the second-highest office in the Italian Republic, “has a bust of Mussolini in his room”.
https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20250427-eighty-years-after-mussolini-execution-nostalgia-for-fascism-persists-italy-meloni
#FarRightComeback
You are too funny.
Political shifts are fascinating. Currently the West is moving to the right.
Voters are sick of mass immigration. Economically voters are moving left with tariffs.
I hate Donnie but he can at least put his finger in the wind.
Voters will change their minds when the economy tanks due to not enough people without papers to do shit jobs and higher priced imports.
Democrats will sweep Republicans out of Congress, and the chance to cut the federal government legislatively will be gone.
Two years after that every EO will be rescinded and it will be back to business as usual.
Weird. You and shrike lied about transitive inflation under Biden.
Here is the hilarious part. In inflation polls, democrats always way over predict inflation projections for Republicans, and ignore it for Democrats.
https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/brainwashed-democrats-continue-see-imminent-inflation-pocalypse-umich-sentiment
The very thing you and shrike do constantly. But you claim to not be democrats.
democrats always way over predict inflation
This is proof of your abject stupidity and constant lying.
I spent YEARS belittleing inflation as overhyped nonsense.
"Spittin' tobacky up ten cents" - - CHEESY-POOFS? FRYIN' GREASE!
I still doubt that inflation was very severe. It is due to supply/demand at worst.
Of course I am no Democrat anyway. I hate progressives and conservatives equally.
Which I am still doing today. With a Republican in office. Inflation is mild.
Would you care to explain how you got your original account permabanned here?
Political shifts are fascinating. Currently the West is moving to the right.
Everything looks right wing when you sit a couple of miles to the left of Mao and Pol Pot.
From a Feb speech by Singapore foreign minister:
The US has “changed from liberator to great disruptor to a landlord seeking rent.”
That’s accurate.
Whoops! You forgot to mention Trump.
Bad dog. No biscuit.
Who is the disrupting wannabe landlord who despises liberty, Jesse Jr.? I’ll give you a clue. You defend His Holy Orangeness on everything except tariffs.
Bait, bait, bait, bait!
You couldn't stick on topic if it was a glue trap baited with a 40.
“I called sarc a drunk! Look how cool I am!”
You admitted to being an alcoholic retard. And homeless and a druggie. And a bad parent.
He's not wrong, and you're a drunk retard, Sarc.
I bet a thousand dollars you're drunk right now.
In fact you're probably so shitfaced at this point you can hardly see your keyboard.
Sarc: i wish Jesse would stop replying to me
Also sarc: statements about Trump or Jesse.
Sarc: you're all Trump cultists
Also sarc: please don't call me the raging leftist I am, it hurts my feelings.
Lol.
The JDS is strong in this one.
Probably why he is so angry all the time. Is so desperate for people to think he is smart so he repeats shit he doesn't understand then rages when those who do mock him.
We've known that there is a lot more to be found in the jungles for a long, long time now so this isn't really a surprise. You can't kick a rock in that part of the world without hitting some ancient city or another that 'hasn't been discovered' yet.
What is remarkable is all those people living in or near the ruins have just about zero curiosity about them. Sometimes they even still live in the ruins and still have absolutely no interest in their own history.
At least they aren't like Egypt, which actively destroys their own ancient wonders. They are merely indifferent.
In a way, their indifference preserves them longer. Of course they fall apart in the meantime, so it's a mixed blessing.
And possibly they just don't want all the archaeologists and tourists traipsing around.
Speaking of them falling apart, that happened recently and they blamed the collapse of part of a 1000 year old pyramid on climate change down in Mexico.
Not, you know, 1000 years of jungle weather that finally reached it's breaking point.
Climate change is the universal antagonist.
Like 42, or was that 56? The answer to everything.
For some reason it is always 12 years before it is too late and the world will end. If I remember correctly Gore used 12 a few times. 20 years later Gretta used 12 a few times. Maybe they should have just said 42.
Democrats have a strong belief in fragility. Their leaders utilize this for graft and power. A lot of it is they are emotional but unintelligent people.
Twelve years is two Senatorial terms; six Congressional terms and three Presidential terms.
I guess if you have to pull a number out of your ass. 10 sounds made up. 11 sounds too specific. 12 seems like a nice number. Let's go with 12.
Obviously if you have to pull a number out of your ass, 1 would be the easiest, although 8 might be an interesting sensation.
The answer is known, the question is the real question.
Good to see somebody knows how to spell "archaeology".
those people living in or near the ruins have just about zero curiosity about them.
We see this all over the world. Curiosity about ancient history seems to be an almost uniquely European thing.
I think It’s more of a wealth thing, though I’m sure culture plays a part too. People eking out a living don’t have time to care about history, and university was originally reserved for the leisurely rich. If you’re dirt poor and stumble across ruins, it’s free building material, not something to study.
Is this why you remain uneducated?
Too busy surviving.
The place was abandoned to the jungle. I don't think anyone lived nearby. The Maya buildings in Cancun weren't rediscovered until the 1970s. Cahokia in Illinois didn't attract serious archaeological research until the 1960s.
Egypt has failed to destroy its Pyramids for almost five thousand years.
Happy Slappy Joy Joy
Joy Reid claims the reason the Roman Empire collapsed was lack of diversity.
https://x.com/defiantls/status/1916326459502719254?s=46&t=pOghkxSbQl2pg4CLby5nCA
Weird. A large part was their dependence on cheap slave labor.
If only they had open borders with the Visigoths and the Vandals.
And DEI classes to instruct Romans how to tolerate newcomer folk raping and pillaging.
I don't think it was much more possible to get more diverse than Rome at the time. Britain to Egypt and everything in between.
The only thing that stopped them being more diverse was the impassableness of the Sahara and the Atlantic, and the fact the Germans and the Parthians (Persians) fought them off like madmen.
Looks like Joy Reid took the same history classes as Shrike and Sarckles.
One of the most famous love stories in history is Anthony - white Roman - and Cleopatra - Greek-Egyptian (but who Joy Reid would claim was Black).
Pretty much purebred Macedonian as the Ptolemies picked up the Egyptian pharaonic practice of marrying their siblings.
Contemporary frescoes in Pompeii and Herculaneum depict Cleopatra with reddish or auburn hair and a fair complexion.
The exceptionally stupid thing about making Cleopatra black was that there were actual black Egyptian queens like Amanirenas. She was a literal warrior queen who ruled the Kingdom of Kush, which was Southern Egypt and Nubia, in the same century as Cleopatra was Rome's puppet in the North.
But instead of talking about her, they want to race swap Cleopatra because they're too ignorant of history to have heard about anyone besides Caesar and then Marc Antony's bit of fun.
Skin color is the most important thing.
We don't know much about Cleopatra's mother, but she was definitely Greek on her father's side. The last native Egyptian rulers were centuries in the past.
Kush is not Egypt. Amanirenas was a Kushite queen, not an Egyptian one.
The discoveries are reshaping our understanding of the Maya civilization.
How many graveyards full of child sacrifices did they find?
Who wants to take the over/under on Planned Parenthood's?
If child sacrifice makes the weather better - America should have the best damn weather anywhere.
Well, just imagine how bad it would be without all the child sacrifice.
PROOF!
If you like this sort of thing, read "1491".
FUN! further proof that nature bats last
Those white people didn't discover anything, the Mayans knew it was there all along.
Cite?